Exactly. If people would just educate themselves about who is making movies and why, they would never be wrongfully optimistic about certain projects and then get disappointed when they suck.
The Law Middle Management that's still in charge until the parent company overrides him. And Newsflash, they haven't. They gave him what he asked for so he could make the movie.
@The Law bro he threatened to leave the mcu during the productions of civil war because of his dispute with boss perlmutter about the vision of the movie. But Disney executives chose Kevin instead because they know he is the real man.
From this video, my extremely negative opinion for her grew even stronger. She behaves like a spoiled brat who tries to get her own way no matter what.
She still begs for attention and is a completely unprofessional woman. Also HER production company backed Venom. She is just as guilty as everyone else that made this.
@@MrJackblack7 She begs for attention and is completely unprofessional. Yeah those don't sound like the qualities of a strong independent woman running a business. And yet people want us to support these kind of people.
How & why high-ups in Hollywood get & stay where they are is a topic I would really like Midnight's Edge to cover. It strikes me as being similar to nepotism and the good-ol'-boy network. But it's unclear how people get into the network and how the network actually works.
Because SONY are just "suits" who don't have a fucking clue WHY fans love the franchise -- Kevin Feige being an exception. www.wired.com/2012/05/kevin-feige-avengers/ www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/marvel-cover-story Frank Zappa summarized that the _same thing happened in the music industry._ ua-cam.com/video/KZazEM8cgt0/v-deo.html
That's what makes me appreciate Kevin Feige even more. He was a FAN of the source material before coming on and he fights to stay as true to the source material as possible. He had a PLAN, took 10 years to get here and it's been an amazing ride ever since. The MCU is killing it, while Star Wars, at least to me, is dead. Would love someone like him running the DCEU, and Star Wars franchises.
Jennifer Pyrce Exactly! While Marvel can be criticized for making formulaic movies Fiege has brilliantly *invested in the fans* -- the movies are FUN to watch because: 1. Each character gets a movie devoted to *building* an origin story, 2. that ALSO ties in the larger meta. The origin/back story is not told at the expense of MCU, nor is the MCU told at the expense of the origin story. They are multidimensional stories. Fans can watch their favorite characters across multiple movies instead of trying to do too much in too little screen time. Feige isn't in a "rush" only to make movie that ONLY focus on making money like Sony's dumpster fires Pixels, Emoji, Ghostbusters, etc. Sony only cares about making movies that make money -- and it shows. There is no respect for the fans taking time out of their lives. "Burn and Churn" seems to be the mantra at Sony. I don't see Sony changing anytime soon -- especially how they "blame the fans" for their crappy movies failing. How about focusing on making a FUN movie first, you know?! Deadpool is a great example here. Was it perfect? No, but it acknowledged that people were watching to be entertained. It IS possible to make a fun R rated movie. Another example is John Wick. Have a movie *take time* with character building. Audience will remember it (if done well.)
@@MichaelPohoreski same old Sony bad marvel good bullshit. Shut up, turn your mind off, and enjoy a movie instead of looking for things to be offended about.
That video clip of him sitting there while Pascal blabs her mouth just makes me cringe every time. The mastermind of a 10 year long movie franchise versus someone who continually blunders her way through projects that are not successful.
Kevin Feige is a low-risque taker spewing one after another boring, generic MCU movie out. It's a matter of time before he'll get the same hatred Kathleen Kennedy faces.
no hey @kappa:v, let's be fair, sayings like, "to error is human" and "all good things come to an end" are there for a reason. While Fiege has a hot streak NOW doesn't mean he won't make a misstep period. Now @KTK it's his job to try and minimize financial risk that's like being mad at a waiter for giving you your food.
@@KTK44 there is a difference between a boring cookie cutter flick and an abomination of a bad movie. I agree his movies are more flash than substance but I wouldn't say that they're bad. Let alone KK bad.
Is an overall mess, but an awesome and dumb fun mess. However I still think that Sony should leave spider-man in the MCU, otherwise the backlash would be *HUGE*
I don't think sony will care about the huge backlash with removing spiderman from the MCU. They didn't care about the big backlash with ghostbusters so what makes you think they'll care here?
@@darkroninmarvel In hollywood you fail upwards. And because she's a woman they have to keep her or else the SJWs and feminazis will flip their shit. At least Pascal is not chairman anymore after the ghostbusters fall out. However unfortunately the current chairman at sony is former fox chairman Tom Rothman (the man who ruined the Fox x-men franchise and prevented deadpool from happening)
"Competing" is a strong word. More like "Struggling". Now after watching this video I will NEVER watch it if that's their plan and hope it fails. Spidey being in the MCU and Sony raking in 100% of ticket sales for his movies is a sweetheart deal and they'd be braindead idiots to not renew the deal over pride and possessiveness. I did see another video though that posits a different theory: That Sony is trying to act like it's got a plan and make their studio division look busy and more valuable than they actually are and are trying to get Disney to buy them.
bigevilworldwide1 That's truly ridiculous. 100 times failure is still failure. And if Marvels stuff is mediocre, Sony's is flatout terrible or god awful or at least will lead to something akin to those if they go any further. Cookie cutter? Did you forget all the different genres, characters, and stories they've explored? Well I hate to break it too you, but Marvel and Fox, even though I believe their stuff might get repetitive soon, are the only ones handling these Marvel properties with care. Sony is not, which is why they came running to Marvel for help. And in case you haven't heard, the higher ups stated they'll willing to let Deadpool stay the way it is. Well, Fox's X Men is coming to an end and almost no one likes any of the previous Fantastic Four movies so it's not like they have much going for them cinema wise at the moment. Well don't complain about them. Complain about the fact that their competition can't seem to figure out what they're trying to do. Marvel knows what they're doing and for the most part, it's keeping people entertained.
bigevilworldwide1 And also, Sony trying new things? They're doing the same damn thing they were doing before they made the Marvel deal. The only difference is now, they're trying to do it without the main character.
I'm genuinely shocked. This is a person who threw a fucking piece of food at someone for suggesting a possible business deal. She should be taking anger management classes. Not running any kind of production.
not by merit or from being competent or qualified. it's a disgrace that someone like her gets to have such a high paying job. she's a worthless piece of shit who should be cleaning toilets at mcdonalds.
I fucking love these videos, man! Even though I've done my fair bit of research on this topic, you always bring up details I've never heard off! Keep up the great work!
Zach Ster The details they bring up that you haven't researched yourself are pure fiction made up by themselves, reddit or 4chan. That's why you haven't been able to research it.
I have to say that learning all this behind the scenes drama is just as fascinating if not more than the movies themselves. And Sony shot itself in the foot with this Venom movie. And making movies about Spiderman villains WITHOUT Spiderman seems like the dumbest idea ever.
It definitely is more fascinating than the movies themselves. That’s why I don’t go see movies like Venom but I do watch videos about them. If more people did, they wouldn’t go into bad movies blindly and then feel disappointed.
Well Venom isn't a villain and hasn't been one since the 90s, except for that small time period when bonded to the scorpion. Venom can fit the role of hero in this sony universe as hes always been a anti hero that's protected innocents and killed criminals
If Sony were smart they'd renew their contract with Marvel Studios in 2019. Sure, Venom may be a moderate success, but as we all know Sony loves to milk the crap out of their franchises until they've run dry. Not to mention, it would get a TON of negative attention from Marvel fans if they didn't.
Moviegoing audiences aren't retarded. The only people seeing Venom that aren't critics will be people who don't know any better. Whereas the main Marcel fans are educated to know what the deal is with Sony.
i really hope they will renew their contract with Marvel Studios tho, cause with the whole Spider-Man thing with Venom , you need Spider-Man to fight against Venom tho .. just dosen't make any sense without the web slinger
I tried sharing this on the MCU reddit last year. People there refused to pay attention now they're dumbfounded how Disney and Sony are at an impasse. Midnight's Edge needs way more recognition.
I saw the Venom on opening night. It has a lot of problems, my biggest issue with the film is that it feels like it was made to be hard R rated and was awkwardly chopped to be PG-13. It felt like it was either executive meddling like the WB-DCEU situation to force world building leading to an inevitable Spider-Man showdown or they didn’t have faith in their R rated film. I wont be watching a non MCU Spider-Man film, I loved the original Andrew Garfield movie but they ruined it with the second installment. The Venom-Verse has the chance to be more adult and darker than the MCU. If only Sony would embrace the adult audience and work with Marvel there could be amazing team ups with characters like Deadpool that could prove to be billion dollar movies.
The gore can come if Carnage gets introduced but I doubt they'll strike the proper tonality and the stakes of facing that kind of homicidal maniac. But hey I'm not the one to complain when I'm seeing a real CGI Venom for the first time. The thing from SP3 I do not really consider to be Venom.
While critics are panning this, audiences are pretty ok with it. The opening night crowd I saw it have yesterday loved it. I think the trouble is the MCU has changed people's perspective of these type of movies so much that this one had a hard time doing what it wanted to do in a post-MCU environment.
And no it doesnt mean that, audience i saw it with loved it. Rotten tomatoes is way bigger than cinemascore and it has an 88 audience score so i think its safe to say venom is a hit with audiences
Jordan Herkowski Perhabs you should go back to school. B+ is good and take a look at rottentomatoes too. 4.4/5 audience score with 89% liking the movie. I know it must hurt for you, but you can't manipulate scores and say a B+ is bad just because you don't want the movie to succeed. Besides what counts are the income and so far Venom is breaking October box office records. In other news - You lose. Go back to school.
So, refreshing then? I'm so damn sick of seeing the same fucking origin stories over and over and over and over. I already know who these characters are, just get to the story!!!
You're missing out on the most important factor in all this: this year Sony Pictures got a direct order from Sony HQ in Japan that they must increase their revenue by 10% within the next 3 years or the studio will be sold-off. The only choice they have is to pump out as many Spider-Verse and Jumanji films within that time so they can make as much money as possible - and even that won't be enough to increase revenue by 10% within 3 years. Sony need both the MARVEL/MCU and their own studios making as many Spidey films as possible. It's not Spidey's days in the MCU that are numbered, it's Sony's days as a studio.
I had zero interest in Venom before this video. Sony got lucky with Sam Raimi, but after him it has been down Hill, in my eyes, regarding their MARVEL properties.
@M MM nah. If it wasnt for raimi's spider-man superhero films wouldn't have been popular. Also they have too many good qualities to be objectively bad. Tobey is still the best spider-man (Andrew and Tom are pretty bad). Effects hold up. Got the right tone. Each villain is memorable and great motivation. Better soundtracks than the whole of the mcu. Fantastic set pieces (Doc Ock vs Spidey on the train and Spidey vs Sandman in the sewers stomp any mcu fight).
@M MM dude calm down. X-Men was an ok success but Spider-Man made over 800 million and broke records, yes it made superhero films popular. Also I know 616 is the og I never said Tobey was? Also effects are great whatchu talking about? They won awards for the effects. Garfield was too jokey and handsome for Spider-Man, same with Tom, he's too jokey and happy go lucky.
I’d like to see Venom, but I’ve heard a lot of negative reviews. Not just from critics, but also from long time Venom fans of the original comics. Thanks Midnight’s Edge. This is really eye opening to the future of Spider-man. It’s also rather disconcerting that Tom Holland has to perform in a Sony based movie if Sony opts not to renew their loan to Marvel.
@JokerL1000 Great action sci fi film. Sci fi. SCI FI. WTF?! what's sci fi about venom??? and people are being butthurt because the movie is a mess with boring characters, many plot holes, not that much action, crappy CGI, not much venom screentime, No spiderman to build Eddie Brock'c character. I'm sorry but what movie did you watch?
Watch it and form your own opinion. If I didn't see a movie every time someone said it was bad, I'd never watch anything. If you'd like to see Venom, then go see it, don't let other people's opinions stop you from doing something you want to do.
You would think they'd have made a deal with Marvel that they get to make a Spiderman related movie each year, but Sony pays for it and distributes it.
@The Law You mean 2 records setting a thursday record by making 10 million dollars or breaking fridays record by making just 20 million more when it opens worldwide? And you left out that its only for a throwaway month like October where hardly anything big ever comes out. Not to mention a 31%on rotten tomatoes which is what people look at the most. Ill tell Sony congratulations
I hope this venom movie fails. Sony is just trying to get spider-man back from marvel as best as they can. We don't want that, we don't want sony ruining spider-man a third time. This is why marvel should completely buy spider-man like they did with the fox entertainment division and getting x-men back in the process. Sony can't be trusted.
MCU ruined Spider-Man with the kids movie Homecoming. I'd love for Sony to get Spider-Man back starring Tom "stutter" Holland and have Tom Hardy's Venom bite Spider-Man's face off and throw him in the bin. Talk about a bland, generic snooze fest...Homecoming. Ugh!
@bigevilworldwide1 If you support sony having spider-man you're not a true fan of spider-man. Don't try telling you are because you're not if you supported T.M. acting like a dickheaded washed up emo in the third movie and sam raimi's version of mary jane who is a dumb bitch who doesn't know whether she wants to be with peter and pull up with his life style or not.
I wonder what the kid who made Venom thinks of the new movie. He thought it was cool he showed up in Spiderman 3. Imagine even that, something you drew as a kid becoming a massive comic icon.
He's probably thinking that he wish his parents/guardians knew something about copyrights so that he could have gotten a piece of every dime ever made off of Venom related merchandise.
@@milboxr9772 Yes he designed the suit that became Venom. Apparently he isnt a Venom fan from one article I found. Nevertheless he still deserves some credit.
I watched Venom recently and, to my surprise, it was ok. There is no question that Tom Hardy being cast as Brock, and Venom interacting with him carried a great deal of the movie. That said, everything else in the movie falls flat and if it wasn't for my friends (who paid for the ticket and went to the cinema with me) I would have walked off in the middle of the film. At best, Venom is mindless fun, but still fun. At worst, it's a convoluted mess and feels weird to have Venom without Spidey
Venom is already proving to be a box office success. Too bad Sony is too dumb to realize that this doesn't mean people will pay for solo outings by Morbius, Kraven or Black Cat. Venom is just a popular character.
I had a feeling that the movie itself was not going to be great, but it seems that the Venom stuff works well. Also, was anyone surprised that Harrelson was cast to play Carnage? As soon as I saw he was cast as an unnamed character I knew he was going to be Cletus Kasady.
I knew for the moment Sony greenlit Venom that it would happen. They want to have their own Cinematic universe so bad when they could've just stick to easier decision of just letting Marvel use their Spider-Man characters for the MCU. McFarlane was right, you can't make a movie soly on Venom, especially when Spider-Man isn't involved. Avi Arad also needs to go.
I hope it tanks and Pascal and Arad finally get booted from these projects. The Marvel deal means Sony just GETS money from Disney while Disney does all the hard work. Dotto on Spider-Man movies. Also, who in the hell actually wants a Black Cat/Silver Sable stand-alone movie? That sounds like they're remaking Catwoman. Same goes for stand-alone Morbius, and stand-alone Kraven movies. Sounds like Pascal and Arad are high.
Charles Slaton All these Sony Spiderman spin-offs are like Halle Berry Catwoman since they are technically taking villains tied to a certain character and removing that character.
I just saw _Venom_ and I really enjoyed it but I saw it as B-movie schlock but good schlock. Heck, I can honestly say that I liked it more than a few MCU movies (Thor 2, Avengers 2, and Ironman 3) just because it was comfortable being its own thing instead of following their formula.
If the contract is not renewed then all Disney/Marvel has to do is kill off Peter Parker/Spider-Man in his final appearance in whatever movie that is within the MCU. Make it a permanent, convoluted death intricately related to a well-known Disney owned Marvel character. This will force Sony to either ignore it in favor of continuing to cast Holland, cast someone else to disconnect themselves with the MCU more completely, OR to write in a 'he's not quite dead' excuse, which will be incredibly difficult given how they would be unable to actually mention the character (or characters) who were involved, thus giving a shot to the chops of Sony who's writers will likely come up with something so inane that most audiences will involuntarily roll their eyes. Either way, any one of these scenarios will force the average moviegoer to blink a bit and look around, wondering why there's such a disconnect between the last time they saw Spider-Man and this next time. This will no doubt lead to many of them discovering Sony's byplay and bring to a greater light the fact that future Spider-Man productions will not directly be a part of the MCU, and thus cheapen the property once again.
Amazing that in those emails, Arad cited the mere appearance of Venom in the (now defunct) Disney Infinity series as the reason a Venom movie would be huge.
Venom simply plays it too safe to even matter. If the studio went further in the direction of goofy, over the top violence, dark humor, and didn't take its horrible story too seriously in the first hour, it could have worked and been refreshing. But they didn't and the movie feels like a wasted opportunity. Spider-verse looks like it could be a nice change of pace however.
I went to see Venom a few weeks ago, the movie is not bad in my opinion, but that being said I think that the only franchise that the movie should set up, is a symbiote centric one. They just need forget the whole Spider-man universe and just focus on Venom and the other symbiote characters.
Just...wow. I had no idea about half of this history. I was going to see Venom in the theater, but thanks to this video opening my eyes I'll skip it. Thanks, I'll save my $. And here I was starting to like this new Spiderman. *throws rotten fruit at Sony*
Haha, no, not in the least. You don't know me at all. I've been watching Midnight's Edge for a long while now and know that I can trust their videos/opinions. I'm low on cash. Sorry, it's better for me to not take risks with my $ with this movie.
@@ditsycitykitty3841 As someone who saw the movie. It's quality is equivalent to the first Ant-Man. Not amazing but not bad, an enjoyable film. If you got nothing to do on the weekend then go ahead and watch it.
@我喜欢耶稣InfinityTemplar I'll just go see Mandy for now. Thanks for the recommendation though. @NavuSharkz I was going to see it for Tom Hardy. I'm a huge Tom Hardy fan. I'll go see almost anything he's in. I have no interest in financially supporting extreme behind-the-scenes drama & manipulation tactics & studio arrogance. Especially if I'm aware of all the details. Thanks. I'll go see Mandy.
They're not leaving Spider-Man, Disney makes over a Billion in Spidey Merch a year but Sony continues to be the same greedy. incompetent assholes they've been and doesn't renew then fuck it.
Marvel Studios will gain some more leverage from acquiring X-men and F4 when it comes time to deal with Sony over Spider-Man, because Marvel doesn’t *need* Spider-Man anytime soon to make riveting movies that weave dozens of iconic characters together. Sony can’t pretend, otherwise, either. The value behind Spider-Man’s movie rights is almost just down to sentimentality now. And I think most comic fans get that. At best, Sony would just look like they’re holding Spider-Man hostage, sort of like a stupid kidnapper would steal your dog-not because they want the dog, but just because they know you have a special bond with the dog. Sony will look bad in everyone’s eyes if they do that perpetually.
The bottom line is Marvel Will never own or control Spidey outright from Sony. So any deals moving forward will be awkward af. With Marvel going full speed in their own universe and Sony trying to do the same exact thing, it's going to get messy. Do yall know who Tom Rothman is? lol these executives are a pice of work and it's all business to them, while yall caught up in what's connected to what universe lol
Made 80 million. I am watching it next weekend so here is hoping it continues. Everyone likes making so many comments about these movies becoming formulaic yet don’t or their money where their mouth is and support anything other than franchises. This has been mentioned in the vein of Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man so I that is more than good enough for me. Tom Hardy never phones it in!!
Guernicaman ignore comments from people like KTK. I doubt whether they truly understand your passion about the franchise, let alone the real issues behind the whole controversy. It already has been statistically proven that most if not nearly all complaints about issues from these sort of people (I do not want to label them SJs) are at the minimum fickle, and at the most with a ulterior motive or agenda in mind. Remember, most of them who complain about movies do not even want those movies or know their history, most who complain about computer games (latest scandal being Rome 2) do not know the series or have not even played the game itself.
No doubt these same people would also complain if some piece of fiction or sports team that's become part of their life gets mishandled or corrupted they too would be just as outraged. Hypocrisy?
Before you cry perhaps you should watch the movie. You are big cry babies who takes rumors way too serious. It has nothing to do about passion. I'm an avid Spider-Man reader myself, but it's embarrassing to see such hissy fits over mere speculations. Grow up.
Thanks for another great video! I actually was going to see Venom (probably), but after seeing your video I've decided to give it a pass. I didn't know the creative people behind it were exclusively the Sony folks. Sony would be nuts not to renew their deal with Marvel. It's great for them. Marvel's executives take the "risk" of making new movies and Sony gets the rewards. A Spider-man extended universe where his villains all star in their own movies isn't gong to work. A Netflix style thing might work, though, where the supporting characters got their own limited TV series. But that said, Venom seems to be doing pretty well at the box office. Maybe they just got a good release slot. There doesn't seem to be anything similar in theaters right now.
They should just give up the rights. There is no way they can handle a third reboot. Just give up already. Unrelated, Pascal looks and sounds like a chain smoker and wakes up to a shot of whisky every day.
Suuuuure..... be honest you werent going to pay anyway its just that now you've found a reason to justify your shity behavior, but justify it however you want you're still a thief not a noble thief just a petty little thief making excuses for your thefts.
Purple Purp Film piracy harms no one if you weren’t planning on going to see it anyway. I’ve seen a stream of Venom but wasn’t planning to see it anyway. Sony weren’t going to make any money from me regardless, so what’s the point in getting mad about it?
@bigevilworldwide1 you are the biggest cheerleader, avi/amy is that you? Honestly, no one I know has an interest in the sonyverse, you go ahead and see it however many more times you said you were going to see it. It still has to oull in 450 million to break even, I kinda personally doubt they'll do it, more power to them if they do but, whatever I just have no interest in anything that arrad and pascal have their hands in.
@@KTK44 I heard it was first $150 million, then I noticed half a dozen people commenting the first figure had been wrong and was recalculated/adjusted and was actually $450 million. If it had been one or three people Id been too hesitant to go with that figure but, I figured several people were tossing the same figure they'd read so, I figured the possibility was more probable. Plus, $150 million is a lowball figure which didn't seen right to me and surely didnt take publicity into account either. Though, It always could be wrong, I'm not going to stand by it as absolute fact because I didn't read the article. I will say though, I don't think the problems with the film laid with Rubin or Hardy, I think it was well directed and that Hardy acted well with what he was given. I however hated the storyline, I hated how it ignored Venom's comic origin's et al. I wish they'd have let Marvel handle bringing Venom into the MCU through infinity war or secret wars story and done the character right. It is what it is though. If I do come acrossed the figures and find the article I will link to you. If you find anything on the updated figures link back to me?
@@KTK44 offhand, Forbes first said said around $145 million roughly for the budget. I'll keep looking for where this updated figure came from because I am interested too.
Nicholas Faith That estimated number of 450 m seems farfetched to me. IMDB has the budget estimated at 100 m. The general rule of thumb is that promotion costs roughly half of the budget (meaning bigger budget, more expense on promotion = hope of more revenue), that means the promotion budget would have been around 50 m, hell we can even round it up to 100 m just for fun. That's still nowhere near the 450 m number. So what money where exactly spend on what for the movie to only be able to break even on 450 m mark? It doesn't make sense to me. Even if we round budget number up to Forbes proclaimed 145 m, it stil doesn't make much sense. It's more likely that it will have to earn +300 m to be profitable. It's earned 205 m so far and various outlets says it has broke even. To me that claim seems more plausible than to suggest it needs to reach 450 m. It's also weird how the numbers you've seen has gone from 150 to 450. That's a huge margin. It still has not premiered in most of Europe, Japan and China though. Am I missing something here?
As much as it pains me, being a diehard Venom fan, I will not see this movie/spend my hard earned cash on it as in doing so I threaten the likelihood of Spider-Man/Tom Holland remaining in the MCU
Miibox R No he doesn't. Stuttering is what Holland does in Civil War when he meets Tony Stark at his apartment..."Wha wha wha what are you doing here?" And so on.
The film has many problems. The villain being one of the biggest problems and the whole life foundation falling flat. However, I would be lying if I said I didn't have fun watching it. Tom Hardy's dynamic with Venom does work pretty well. I went in with absolutely low expectations, so maybe that is in part why it was better than I expected? As far as implications for the MCU? I am kind of in agreement with John Campea. If Venom had failed? Sony I think would have taken that as a sign that they can't have their own cinematic universe without Spider-Man. The deal was that they would share Spider-Man with Marvel/Disney in the MCU. With the success of Venom thus far, I think Sony may feel a bit more comfortable with allowing Spidey to stay in the MCU.
Unknown BTW why are people saying "go back to Sony". He is Sony's property. Just because I make a cooperation the property i contribute with is still mine and mine to decide what to do with.
I have seen the movie and I can say that overall it’s definitely a mixed bag. Tom hardy as Eddie Brock and venom is the best part about the movie but anything outside of them especially at the first act is kinda meh. I had a laugh but I’m not sure if it was supposed to be intentional at times. The action scenes were pretty good. The other actors did an okay job but nothing much to write about. The 1st end credits scene somehow had Ronald McDonald more memorable than the main villain. The 2nd end credits scene was definitely worth the price of admission. Overall the critics saying that its awful are kinda exaggerating, but the people saying that its amazing are also exaggerating. My grade is B- or a 6.5/10.
It's so sad and pathetic how hard Sony are trying.. They should really just give up on this shit. They've proven again and again that they're incapable of it.
Love the Spider-Man villain Kraven The Hunter, and who can forget the epic; "Kraven's Last Hunt!" in 1987. But for the love of God, just like Venom in cinemas now? without Spider-Man involved with Kraven its utterly pointless to have a movie based on him as the central character. Like Venom his one sole obsession is defeating Spider-Man, a solo film with him but without Spider-Man in it?, just doesn't work at all. What's next, is Warners going to announce a solo Brainiac film that doesn't feature Superman and the Justice League whatsoever, to stop a galactic world conquering alien who's out to gain knowledge of all things via assimilation of their planet's culture (taking bottled cities) and so forth?!
After reading the comments, I conclude that, MCU fanboys are seriously butthurt about their company did not get the rights to creating a Venom movie. However, Spiderman is still under probation with both Sony and Marvel Studios, meaning they will take back and re-produce it.
Sad this movie seems to be opening strong at the box office despite the negative reviews. Its a shame the general movie going public are sheep that don't understand they are being lied too and yes Sony's suggestions this movie is apart of the Marvel Cinematic Universe are them passively and vaguely lying
A movie that's been hyped to hell & back w/a ton of money poured into market will no doubt open well. It's how much of a drop in its 2nd & 3rd weeks what determines if a film is truly successful or not, especially an expensive movie like this.
Venom really did capture the personal one-on-one villain with Peter Parker as he can appear out of nowhere without triggering his Spider Sense. Sadly over the years, many writers had to up Norman Osborn's game by having him sleep with Gwen Stacy or even revealing he knew about the Clone project from Jackyl and such and such.
Am I going to see Venom? No, I'll wait for the bluray. Sony might have access to all the Spiderman heroes and villans but I don't think that will be enough to start their universe because, unless you know the the comics or if the characters have been featured in other Spiderman films, the general public won't know who they are and will probably not have any interest. It is common knowledge that Marvel studios is responsible for Spiderman, at present, but if Sony don't renew the agreement, Spiderman will fail. He is too well intwined into the MCU and the MCU will not give Sony access to any of their IP's. Sony would have to start by redesigning his costume minus Stark tech and that will be massive IMO. No references to Civil War and Infinity War, so no backstories uless they want to redo his origin again and no one wants to see that.
I agree with a lot of what you said, but the movie wasn’t a disaster. Sony being a disaster is the only thing close to disaster. It’s like Lebron James being at Cleveland. He was the reason they were successful, but Cleveland was on Lebron’s own back. Venom can be like that. Tom Hardy was amazing. He carried the movie himself. It works, but they are affiliated with shitty Sony... they should’ve done a similar deal with Venom...
Just like that Sony Pictures is really Hanging from dear life i say i a couple of Years Sony will have to sell it's Tv and films to some other Company that's what i heard
As long as the movies are good and/or don't fall below the bar set by Venom (A genuinely decent movie) I really don't care about the movie politics. A story is about the story and Venom set a decent bar but if they get better or maintain the status quo, I support this purported and crazy scheme by Sony.
Avengers: A Tail of Two Kitties Avengers: Kill La Kill Avengers: Knack is Back *BABY.* Avengers: Revenge of Ultron and Thanos & Knuckles Avengers: Waluigi vs. Iron Man Avengers: HERE COMES THE _MONEEEEEYYY_ Avengers: Ant Man Commits Tax Fraud
Avengers: ur mum gay Avengers: no u Avengers: ur dad a trap Avengers: ur family lgbt Avengers: thanos dabbing Avengers: dr strange and spiderman t-poses Avengers: despacito Avengers: ...other dead memes
Cynical Joker What will do this film in is the word of mouth and people not flocking to it after that. Worst case scenario, it will have a respectable opening weekend like Green Lantern then take a nose dive.
It's just 'bleh'. They got the look right, and very little else. There's nothing to it other than the visuals. Might as well go watch "Spawn" again. Except for that Hell scene... my god, that looks worse with every passing year.
Honestly, I want Sony to get Spidey back, the MCU trivializes everything and I’d like to see Spidey back in his own stories and lore away from the cluster-fuck that is the MCU.
@@ac_fauzan2805 If that's the thinking then fine. Keep Tom Holland. He has one more film after 'Far From Home' so if Sony wanted to they could have their Spider-man Venom movie with Tom Holland and Tom Hardy and people would see it without the MCU connections.
Great video! Sony’s decision on renewing their deal with Marvel will entirely depend on the success or failure of these spinoffs. They can gamble every cent that Marvel makes them on the two Spider-Man movies on trying to establish a universe to plug Holland into and keep their options open until the last minute. Personally I think this is a great reason to wait for the spinoffs to come to tv..
VENOM will have about an 80 million opening. If there isn't a huge drop-off in weekend two I'll have to be watching Sony's movie announcements. I like Spider-Man in the MCU
I saw it on Saturday 10/06, It was solid. a bit slow at the beginning , but took off. the way they dealt with Venoms powers (how they mirror Spider-Mans) was actually decent (reminiscent of Spawns Armor and Cape). As a stand alone I thought it was fine. they went with the "anti-hero" version of venom. Venom is the closest character tied directly to Spider-man, and I was very worried how the would manage it without Spider-man. I left the theater pleasantly surprised. As far as the other Spider-man tangential characters "needing" the web slinger, I don't think they do need it for their origins. Spidey didn't "create" them, they were there and he encountered them. so they could do a lot of world building without needing Spider-man, and then later they can introduce those characters to Spider-man if they get the rights back.
I'm really into late 90s-early 2000's half-assed and loosely based superhero movies, my favorite example being Howard The Duck. They have that certain charm you don't usually get with other movies such as Iron man or The Dark Knight trilogy. Admittingly, they're the best movies. But I kinda dig when superheroes get really cheesy and sometimes very loosely based adaptations. And Venom, from what I've heard, seems to fit that quota. And I might check it out some day
I really enjoyed this film, my big problem is venom is more of a joke than a threat. They have references to the thing throughout the film and with it being pg13 it doesn’t let it be totally free.
I can't believe this shit came true, it's fucking depressing as shit
@DIGI Just gives credence to the fact that Midnight Edge give solid information, but yes, sadly this one proved to be right on
It's almost hilarious how our usual suspects are all involved. Pascal and Rothman, Arad, Kurtzman and Ortzi, even Josh Trank. I swear...
Exactly. If people would just educate themselves about who is making movies and why, they would never be wrongfully optimistic about certain projects and then get disappointed when they suck.
The Hollywood cancer crew who destroy properties merely by attaching their names to a project.
Humans if anything are creatures of habit and history tends to repeat itself.
@Erik Lerström It truly is a comedy of errors.
Isn't it a multiverse now?
Man everything Avi Arad touches turns to 💩
Chocolate pudding? :P
Wistful HERBz you can eat it if you want 😂
...in the wind.
sandman415 Well maybe not Toy Biz... oh yeah. They went bust over a decade ago.
Yes. You’re correct.
Sony- WHY DO I KILL EVERYTHING I TOUCH!?!?!?
Avi Arad and Amy Pascal are like a Hollywood producer nightmare
They're toxic and they don't even know it.
They waste Sony a great company money with stupid decisions.
Hope Arad fucking stops interfering with everything.
Gregory Miranda Sony should fire him.
Avi Arad hugging Spider-Man is creepy as hell.
Qator Bashtar It looks like he‘s being molested
I actively await Tom Holland's Avi Arad #MeToo story... or his Amy Pascal one... the poor poor boy.
It gets creepier. They're holding hands.
Enrique Cortez yea,when I noticed that I thought he was about to be molested.
Those 2 producers look like the devil
13:20
Kevin Feigie is enraged. But he runs a billion dollar franchise so he holds it in. *Thats boss shit*
yeah, you have to tip your hat at that kind of shit.
He's had practice dealing with Ike Perlmutter and all his BS. Feige is, as with the MCU as a whole, patient.
The Law It's his project genius. No one's pointing a gun to him forcing him to do it.
The Law Middle Management that's still in charge until the parent company overrides him. And Newsflash, they haven't. They gave him what he asked for so he could make the movie.
@The Law bro he threatened to leave the mcu during the productions of civil war because of his dispute with boss perlmutter about the vision of the movie. But Disney executives chose Kevin instead because they know he is the real man.
Amy Pascal isn't helping Sony in anyway.
The only good thing about her is she doesn’t like Avi Arad. Lol
@@namelessjedi2242 Doesn't help that she's just as bad as avi
From this video, my extremely negative opinion for her grew even stronger. She behaves like a spoiled brat who tries to get her own way no matter what.
She still begs for attention and is a completely unprofessional woman. Also HER production company backed Venom. She is just as guilty as everyone else that made this.
@@MrJackblack7 She begs for attention and is completely unprofessional. Yeah those don't sound like the qualities of a strong independent woman running a business. And yet people want us to support these kind of people.
How come the people who get to make the biggest movie decisions have the least business making them? It’s amazing we get anything good at all.
How & why high-ups in Hollywood get & stay where they are is a topic I would really like Midnight's Edge to cover.
It strikes me as being similar to nepotism and the good-ol'-boy network. But it's unclear how people get into the network and how the network actually works.
Because SONY are just "suits" who don't have a fucking clue WHY fans love the franchise -- Kevin Feige being an exception.
www.wired.com/2012/05/kevin-feige-avengers/
www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/marvel-cover-story
Frank Zappa summarized that the _same thing happened in the music industry._
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That's what makes me appreciate Kevin Feige even more. He was a FAN of the source material before coming on and he fights to stay as true to the source material as possible. He had a PLAN, took 10 years to get here and it's been an amazing ride ever since. The MCU is killing it, while Star Wars, at least to me, is dead. Would love someone like him running the DCEU, and Star Wars franchises.
Jennifer Pyrce Exactly! While Marvel can be criticized for making formulaic movies Fiege has brilliantly *invested in the fans* -- the movies are FUN to watch because:
1. Each character gets a movie devoted to *building* an origin story,
2. that ALSO ties in the larger meta.
The origin/back story is not told at the expense of MCU, nor is the MCU told at the expense of the origin story. They are multidimensional stories. Fans can watch their favorite characters across multiple movies instead of trying to do too much in too little screen time.
Feige isn't in a "rush" only to make movie that ONLY focus on making money like Sony's dumpster fires Pixels, Emoji, Ghostbusters, etc. Sony only cares about making movies that make money -- and it shows. There is no respect for the fans taking time out of their lives. "Burn and Churn" seems to be the mantra at Sony.
I don't see Sony changing anytime soon -- especially how they "blame the fans" for their crappy movies failing. How about focusing on making a FUN movie first, you know?! Deadpool is a great example here. Was it perfect? No, but it acknowledged that people were watching to be entertained. It IS possible to make a fun R rated movie. Another example is John Wick. Have a movie *take time* with character building. Audience will remember it (if done well.)
@@MichaelPohoreski same old Sony bad marvel good bullshit. Shut up, turn your mind off, and enjoy a movie instead of looking for things to be offended about.
Kevin Feige is a saint to deal with the hacks at Sony.
That video clip of him sitting there while Pascal blabs her mouth just makes me cringe every time. The mastermind of a 10 year long movie franchise versus someone who continually blunders her way through projects that are not successful.
Kevin Feige is a low-risque taker spewing one after another boring, generic MCU movie out. It's a matter of time before he'll get the same hatred Kathleen Kennedy faces.
@@KTK44 why hate our lord and savior kevin he hasn't made a movie I didn't like
no hey @kappa:v, let's be fair, sayings like, "to error is human" and "all good things come to an end" are there for a reason. While Fiege has a hot streak NOW doesn't mean he won't make a misstep period. Now @KTK it's his job to try and minimize financial risk that's like being mad at a waiter for giving you your food.
@@KTK44 there is a difference between a boring cookie cutter flick and an abomination of a bad movie. I agree his movies are more flash than substance but I wouldn't say that they're bad. Let alone KK bad.
Is an overall mess, but an awesome and dumb fun mess. However I still think that Sony should leave spider-man in the MCU, otherwise the backlash would be *HUGE*
I don't think sony will care about the huge backlash with removing spiderman from the MCU. They didn't care about the big backlash with ghostbusters so what makes you think they'll care here?
THIS. Plus I doubt Tom Holland would appreciate it and only do it out of obligation then afterwards refuse to renew his contract.
@@AutZentus good point.... Seriously how does Amy Pascal still keeps her job?
@@Webshooters1 yeah because he likes working with marvel studios
@@darkroninmarvel In hollywood you fail upwards. And because she's a woman they have to keep her or else the SJWs and feminazis will flip their shit. At least Pascal is not chairman anymore after the ghostbusters fall out. However unfortunately the current chairman at sony is former fox chairman Tom Rothman (the man who ruined the Fox x-men franchise and prevented deadpool from happening)
"Competing" is a strong word. More like "Struggling". Now after watching this video I will NEVER watch it if that's their plan and hope it fails. Spidey being in the MCU and Sony raking in 100% of ticket sales for his movies is a sweetheart deal and they'd be braindead idiots to not renew the deal over pride and possessiveness.
I did see another video though that posits a different theory: That Sony is trying to act like it's got a plan and make their studio division look busy and more valuable than they actually are and are trying to get Disney to buy them.
Hardly. Disney won't have any money to buy anything anytime soon, because the Fox deal will tie up their resources.
swanpride More than likely plus I'm not keen on them gobbling up YET ANOTHER studio.
@@swanpride dont be silly if Disney wanted to they could purchase Sony movie studios money wouldn't be a problem. Get real
Again, everybody seems to be ignoring that Spider-Verse has lots of versions of the same guy.....
In other words, MULTIVERSE!
@Tybee if you think a company as large and credit worthy as Disney cant raise the funds if they needed to, then I dont know what to tell you.
In the end Sony’s over ambition and complete misunderstanding of superhero movies will always make their plans ultimately fail.
laz kar Something tells me we'll find out soon enough.
bigevilworldwide1 That's truly ridiculous. 100 times failure is still failure. And if Marvels stuff is mediocre, Sony's is flatout terrible or god awful or at least will lead to something akin to those if they go any further. Cookie cutter? Did you forget all the different genres, characters, and stories they've explored? Well I hate to break it too you, but Marvel and Fox, even though I believe their stuff might get repetitive soon, are the only ones handling these Marvel properties with care. Sony is not, which is why they came running to Marvel for help. And in case you haven't heard, the higher ups stated they'll willing to let Deadpool stay the way it is. Well, Fox's X Men is coming to an end and almost no one likes any of the previous Fantastic Four movies so it's not like they have much going for them cinema wise at the moment. Well don't complain about them. Complain about the fact that their competition can't seem to figure out what they're trying to do. Marvel knows what they're doing and for the most part, it's keeping people entertained.
bigevilworldwide1 And also, Sony trying new things? They're doing the same damn thing they were doing before they made the Marvel deal. The only difference is now, they're trying to do it without the main character.
How does it feel to be wrong?
KTK I'd advise not celebrating just yet. Even if Sony moves forward with their cinematic universe plans, everyone might regret that they did.
If Spider-Man isn't in the MCU anymore, I'm not supporting Sony's live action crap.
JustifiedMayhem32 I'm not even going to see Venom due to all this controversy
@@skylerk2516 I just saw it and yeah, it's like Daredevil (2003) with corny Sony humor. I have no faith in these guys outside of their animated works
@@DigiMyst the animation studio is no better. They gave us the emoji movie which no one asked for.
@@AutZentus True, I should've clarified. I meant Into the Spider-Verse, I think that could be a great direction for Sony if they ever paid attention
I'd never buy a Sony product again if they botched a Maximum Carnage movie, which would be hard for them not to do.
How did Amy Pascal ever ascend to her position at Sony?
She must be filthy in bed.
She’s a high-level Luciferian
Working out her knees
I'm genuinely shocked. This is a person who threw a fucking piece of food at someone for suggesting a possible business deal. She should be taking anger management classes. Not running any kind of production.
not by merit or from being competent or qualified. it's a disgrace that someone like her gets to have such a high paying job. she's a worthless piece of shit who should be cleaning toilets at mcdonalds.
I fucking love these videos, man! Even though I've done my fair bit of research on this topic, you always bring up details I've never heard off! Keep up the great work!
Zach Ster The details they bring up that you haven't researched yourself are pure fiction made up by themselves, reddit or 4chan. That's why you haven't been able to research it.
I have to say that learning all this behind the scenes drama is just as fascinating if not more than the movies themselves.
And Sony shot itself in the foot with this Venom movie. And making movies about Spiderman villains WITHOUT Spiderman seems like the dumbest idea ever.
Gene Siskel had a great quote about if the movies production was more interesting then the movie, then you failed miserably.
It definitely is more fascinating than the movies themselves. That’s why I don’t go see movies like Venom but I do watch videos about them. If more people did, they wouldn’t go into bad movies blindly and then feel disappointed.
Well Venom isn't a villain and hasn't been one since the 90s, except for that small time period when bonded to the scorpion. Venom can fit the role of hero in this sony universe as hes always been a anti hero that's protected innocents and killed criminals
@@namelessjedi2242 Go watch the movie and make your own opinion, want nearly as bad as the critics are saying
Well that explains why Venom has been lame since the 90s ended.
woow actual deep scoops and behind curtain detail. thank you! amazing too watch
If Sony were smart they'd renew their contract with Marvel Studios in 2019. Sure, Venom may be a moderate success, but as we all know Sony loves to milk the crap out of their franchises until they've run dry. Not to mention, it would get a TON of negative attention from Marvel fans if they didn't.
Unfortunately we know Sony, actually the people involved, are not smart.
Yeah...
Moviegoing audiences aren't retarded. The only people seeing Venom that aren't critics will be people who don't know any better. Whereas the main Marcel fans are educated to know what the deal is with Sony.
Snag Prophet And unfortunately l, people that are in the know, but don't care or actually want Sony to go forward with their plans.
i really hope they will renew their contract with Marvel Studios tho, cause with the whole Spider-Man thing with Venom , you need Spider-Man to fight against Venom tho .. just dosen't make any sense without the web slinger
Man this one was truly a labor of... Well... Something 😂
I wouldn't call it love, perhaps labor of fury? Righteous anger? Oh what a mess. Sony you magnificent basterd, where would we be without you?
Loved this one nice job 👍
@@sandman415 Why thank you. This one took a lot of work from a lot of great people. Special thanks to the Sony Hack. What a motherlode.
Tyler Bioshock Rodriguez don’t u just love misplaced replies? 😆
@@sandman415 Adore them. Autocorrect is just a miracle of life.......
I actually watched Venom. It was better than expected. Bit refreshing compared to the current Marvel movies. Better than The Predator.
I tried sharing this on the MCU reddit last year. People there refused to pay attention now they're dumbfounded how Disney and Sony are at an impasse. Midnight's Edge needs way more recognition.
I saw the Venom on opening night. It has a lot of problems, my biggest issue with the film is that it feels like it was made to be hard R rated and was awkwardly chopped to be PG-13. It felt like it was either executive meddling like the WB-DCEU situation to force world building leading to an inevitable Spider-Man showdown or they didn’t have faith in their R rated film. I wont be watching a non MCU Spider-Man film, I loved the original Andrew Garfield movie but they ruined it with the second installment. The Venom-Verse has the chance to be more adult and darker than the MCU. If only Sony would embrace the adult audience and work with Marvel there could be amazing team ups with characters like Deadpool that could prove to be billion dollar movies.
I agree heavily with your main point, there needed to be some body horror and some blood, and showing the heads getting eaten
@@jgfjgfify he eats heads in the movie they just cut away from it, I wouldn't take kids to it anyway
The gore can come if Carnage gets introduced but I doubt they'll strike the proper tonality and the stakes of facing that kind of homicidal maniac.
But hey I'm not the one to complain when I'm seeing a real CGI Venom for the first time. The thing from SP3 I do not really consider to be Venom.
Venom made $30 million less than Homecoming which is why if Marvel takes all Spiderman properties in. I am not interested anymore.
While critics are panning this, audiences are pretty ok with it. The opening night crowd I saw it have yesterday loved it. I think the trouble is the MCU has changed people's perspective of these type of movies so much that this one had a hard time doing what it wanted to do in a post-MCU environment.
I don't think so . Ww was also a throwback and felt refreshing and good
how is a b+ bad, like i get if it were a D or something but thats a pretty good rating, about an 80
And no it doesnt mean that, audience i saw it with loved it. Rotten tomatoes is way bigger than cinemascore and it has an 88 audience score so i think its safe to say venom is a hit with audiences
I only liked the venom parts everything else was dull, I just hope sony doesn't yank spidey out of the mcu
Jordan Herkowski Perhabs you should go back to school. B+ is good and take a look at rottentomatoes too. 4.4/5 audience score with 89% liking the movie. I know it must hurt for you, but you can't manipulate scores and say a B+ is bad just because you don't want the movie to succeed. Besides what counts are the income and so far Venom is breaking October box office records. In other news - You lose. Go back to school.
A venom origins story without Spider-Man is like a Batman origins story without his parents dying
So, refreshing then? I'm so damn sick of seeing the same fucking origin stories over and over and over and over.
I already know who these characters are, just get to the story!!!
So you mean like when Spider-Man was introduced into the MCU with Uncle Ben not dying (at least not on screen)?
Thats right
If I made a super hero movie I wouldn't even bother with origin story, everyone who cares already know it, or will find out about it
We getting with Homecoming without uncle Ben
You're missing out on the most important factor in all this: this year Sony Pictures got a direct order from Sony HQ in Japan that they must increase their revenue by 10% within the next 3 years or the studio will be sold-off. The only choice they have is to pump out as many Spider-Verse and Jumanji films within that time so they can make as much money as possible - and even that won't be enough to increase revenue by 10% within 3 years. Sony need both the MARVEL/MCU and their own studios making as many Spidey films as possible.
It's not Spidey's days in the MCU that are numbered, it's Sony's days as a studio.
This is like a documentary. I mean that in a good way.
Yeah. Great video
I had zero interest in Venom before this video. Sony got lucky with Sam Raimi, but after him it has been down Hill, in my eyes, regarding their MARVEL properties.
Agreed.
@M MM no. Raimi Trilogy is so underrated nowadays.
@M MM nah. If it wasnt for raimi's spider-man superhero films wouldn't have been popular. Also they have too many good qualities to be objectively bad. Tobey is still the best spider-man (Andrew and Tom are pretty bad). Effects hold up. Got the right tone. Each villain is memorable and great motivation. Better soundtracks than the whole of the mcu. Fantastic set pieces (Doc Ock vs Spidey on the train and Spidey vs Sandman in the sewers stomp any mcu fight).
@M MM dude calm down. X-Men was an ok success but Spider-Man made over 800 million and broke records, yes it made superhero films popular. Also I know 616 is the og I never said Tobey was? Also effects are great whatchu talking about? They won awards for the effects. Garfield was too jokey and handsome for Spider-Man, same with Tom, he's too jokey and happy go lucky.
TOM HOLLAND NO! They’ll ruin you! Run!
Tom Holland, follow Jesus's word
I’d like to see Venom, but I’ve heard a lot of negative reviews. Not just from critics, but also from long time Venom fans of the original comics.
Thanks Midnight’s Edge. This is really eye opening to the future of Spider-man. It’s also rather disconcerting that Tom Holland has to perform in a Sony based movie if Sony opts not to renew their loan to Marvel.
Just left the theater. Its a great action sci fi film. People are being over dramatic.
dont give money to sony, dont watch it.
we have to all stop supporting these shit pascal films
@JokerL1000 Great action sci fi film. Sci fi. SCI FI. WTF?! what's sci fi about venom??? and people are being butthurt because the movie is a mess with boring characters, many plot holes, not that much action, crappy CGI, not much venom screentime, No spiderman to build Eddie Brock'c character. I'm sorry but what movie did you watch?
It's not a bad film, but it is mediocre and a grossly inaccurate portrayal of the Venom character.
Watch it and form your own opinion. If I didn't see a movie every time someone said it was bad, I'd never watch anything. If you'd like to see Venom, then go see it, don't let other people's opinions stop you from doing something you want to do.
you might say a film called venom is box office posion
You would think they'd have made a deal with Marvel that they get to make a Spiderman related movie each year, but Sony pays for it and distributes it.
Another cinematic universe falls at the first hurdle.
@Erik Lerström So how do u explain the amazing Spider-Man 2 which made over 700 million dollars yet Sony scrapped it?
The Law Still failed with critics. Now, it needs to earn it's money.
@The Law You mean 2 records setting a thursday record by making 10 million dollars or breaking fridays record by making just 20 million more when it opens worldwide? And you left out that its only for a throwaway month like October where hardly anything big ever comes out. Not to mention a 31%on rotten tomatoes which is what people look at the most.
Ill tell Sony congratulations
@Erik Lerström No explanation huh?
Too early to tell, the movie is expected to have an $80 million opening weekend. How it drops next weekend should determine how well it will do.
5:11, when Hollywood doesn't listen to somebody (McFarlane) who drew and wrote Venom from his comic book beginnings, sigh!
I hope this venom movie fails. Sony is just trying to get spider-man back from marvel as best as they can. We don't want that, we don't want sony ruining spider-man a third time. This is why marvel should completely buy spider-man like they did with the fox entertainment division and getting x-men back in the process. Sony can't be trusted.
There is only one choice!!!!!! Quick to the DenLiner!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry I had to because of Momo as your profile pic
MCU ruined Spider-Man with the kids movie Homecoming. I'd love for Sony to get Spider-Man back starring Tom "stutter" Holland and have Tom Hardy's Venom bite Spider-Man's face off and throw him in the bin. Talk about a bland, generic snooze fest...Homecoming. Ugh!
People gotta stop watching it
@@skylergulley3949 Trust me I get it. If I had the den-liner and the power of den-o I'd correct the spider-man issue if I could
@bigevilworldwide1 If you support sony having spider-man you're not a true fan of spider-man. Don't try telling you are because you're not if you supported T.M. acting like a dickheaded washed up emo in the third movie and sam raimi's version of mary jane who is a dumb bitch who doesn't know whether she wants to be with peter and pull up with his life style or not.
I wonder what the kid who made Venom thinks of the new movie. He thought it was cool he showed up in Spiderman 3. Imagine even that, something you drew as a kid becoming a massive comic icon.
He's probably thinking that he wish his parents/guardians knew something about copyrights so that he could have gotten a piece of every dime ever made off of Venom related merchandise.
Didn't he just make the Spider-Man black suit though? Which also had the white parts be red?Not the actual venom character?
@@milboxr9772 Yes he designed the suit that became Venom. Apparently he isnt a Venom fan from one article I found. Nevertheless he still deserves some credit.
I watched Venom recently and, to my surprise, it was ok. There is no question that Tom Hardy being cast as Brock, and Venom interacting with him carried a great deal of the movie. That said, everything else in the movie falls flat and if it wasn't for my friends (who paid for the ticket and went to the cinema with me) I would have walked off in the middle of the film.
At best, Venom is mindless fun, but still fun. At worst, it's a convoluted mess and feels weird to have Venom without Spidey
I agree, I felt like I was watching Ghost Rider (2007)
Venom is already proving to be a box office success. Too bad Sony is too dumb to realize that this doesn't mean people will pay for solo outings by Morbius, Kraven or Black Cat. Venom is just a popular character.
I had a feeling that the movie itself was not going to be great, but it seems that the Venom stuff works well.
Also, was anyone surprised that Harrelson was cast to play Carnage? As soon as I saw he was cast as an unnamed character I knew he was going to be Cletus Kasady.
Another great video as always.
I knew for the moment Sony greenlit Venom that it would happen. They want to have their own Cinematic universe so bad when they could've just stick to easier decision of just letting Marvel use their Spider-Man characters for the MCU. McFarlane was right, you can't make a movie soly on Venom, especially when Spider-Man isn't involved. Avi Arad also needs to go.
Sony's eternal problem. They don't have characters of their own. That they keep anyway.
Secret Wars #8 was when Spiderman got the black suit.
Technically, yes.
The issue is a bit iffy when it comes to appearance. I'll apologize if I fudged that one.
The first appearance of the black suit is Amazing Spider-Man #252. Canonically however Parker receives the suit in Secret War #8.
@@SmokeymcJoint420 You are correct. I just went with the canon but 252 is pretty valid.
I hope it tanks and Pascal and Arad finally get booted from these projects. The Marvel deal means Sony just GETS money from Disney while Disney does all the hard work. Dotto on Spider-Man movies.
Also, who in the hell actually wants a Black Cat/Silver Sable stand-alone movie? That sounds like they're remaking Catwoman. Same goes for stand-alone Morbius, and stand-alone Kraven movies. Sounds like Pascal and Arad are high.
Charles Slaton All these Sony Spiderman spin-offs are like Halle Berry Catwoman since they are technically taking villains tied to a certain character and removing that character.
Yep.
I just saw _Venom_ and I really enjoyed it but I saw it as B-movie schlock but good schlock. Heck, I can honestly say that I liked it more than a few MCU movies (Thor 2, Avengers 2, and Ironman 3) just because it was comfortable being its own thing instead of following their formula.
If the contract is not renewed then all Disney/Marvel has to do is kill off Peter Parker/Spider-Man in his final appearance in whatever movie that is within the MCU. Make it a permanent, convoluted death intricately related to a well-known Disney owned Marvel character. This will force Sony to either ignore it in favor of continuing to cast Holland, cast someone else to disconnect themselves with the MCU more completely, OR to write in a 'he's not quite dead' excuse, which will be incredibly difficult given how they would be unable to actually mention the character (or characters) who were involved, thus giving a shot to the chops of Sony who's writers will likely come up with something so inane that most audiences will involuntarily roll their eyes.
Either way, any one of these scenarios will force the average moviegoer to blink a bit and look around, wondering why there's such a disconnect between the last time they saw Spider-Man and this next time. This will no doubt lead to many of them discovering Sony's byplay and bring to a greater light the fact that future Spider-Man productions will not directly be a part of the MCU, and thus cheapen the property once again.
Nerd much?
Amazing that in those emails, Arad cited the mere appearance of Venom in the (now defunct) Disney Infinity series as the reason a Venom movie would be huge.
Venom simply plays it too safe to even matter. If the studio went further in the direction of goofy, over the top violence, dark humor, and didn't take its horrible story too seriously in the first hour, it could have worked and been refreshing. But they didn't and the movie feels like a wasted opportunity. Spider-verse looks like it could be a nice change of pace however.
Cool E My partner liked it, but when she saw Woody Harrelson - and *that* wig she was like no. Just no.
I think Woody’s too old for Carnage.
Mr. Fedora I’m looking forward to this.
I went to see Venom a few weeks ago, the movie is not bad in my opinion, but that being said I think that the only franchise that the movie should set up, is a symbiote centric one. They just need forget the whole Spider-man universe and just focus on Venom and the other symbiote characters.
Just...wow. I had no idea about half of this history. I was going to see Venom in the theater, but thanks to this video opening my eyes I'll skip it. Thanks, I'll save my $. And here I was starting to like this new Spiderman. *throws rotten fruit at Sony*
Sad that you're so easy to manipulate. How does it feel to have so little trust in oneself?
Haha, no, not in the least. You don't know me at all. I've been watching Midnight's Edge for a long while now and know that I can trust their videos/opinions. I'm low on cash. Sorry, it's better for me to not take risks with my $ with this movie.
@@ditsycitykitty3841
As someone who saw the movie.
It's quality is equivalent to the first Ant-Man. Not amazing but not bad, an enjoyable film. If you got nothing to do on the weekend then go ahead and watch it.
The fact that you were actually going to purposely pay to see Venom in the theater proves that you shouldn't be throwing anything at anybody!
@我喜欢耶稣InfinityTemplar
I'll just go see Mandy for now. Thanks for the recommendation though.
@NavuSharkz
I was going to see it for Tom Hardy. I'm a huge Tom Hardy fan. I'll go see almost anything he's in. I have no interest in financially supporting extreme behind-the-scenes drama & manipulation tactics & studio arrogance. Especially if I'm aware of all the details. Thanks. I'll go see Mandy.
Removing Spider-Man from the MCU is suicide for Sony and the character.
will Feige care about having Spider-Man that much and dealing with Sony, after getting the whole X-MEN and F4? 🤔 I wouldn't..
Sure, let's leave Spider-man, the most important super hero from Marvel, just because of X-Men and F4- yeah, that makes sense...
They're not leaving Spider-Man, Disney makes over a Billion in Spidey Merch a year but Sony continues to be the same greedy. incompetent assholes they've been and doesn't renew then fuck it.
They will it's Sony can't really compete with Disney or Marvel now the They Have The X men And Fantastic four
Marvel Studios will gain some more leverage from acquiring X-men and F4 when it comes time to deal with Sony over Spider-Man, because Marvel doesn’t *need* Spider-Man anytime soon to make riveting movies that weave dozens of iconic characters together. Sony can’t pretend, otherwise, either. The value behind Spider-Man’s movie rights is almost just down to sentimentality now. And I think most comic fans get that. At best, Sony would just look like they’re holding Spider-Man hostage, sort of like a stupid kidnapper would steal your dog-not because they want the dog, but just because they know you have a special bond with the dog. Sony will look bad in everyone’s eyes if they do that perpetually.
The bottom line is Marvel Will never own or control Spidey outright from Sony. So any deals moving forward will be awkward af. With Marvel going full speed in their own universe and Sony trying to do the same exact thing, it's going to get messy. Do yall know who Tom Rothman is? lol these executives are a pice of work and it's all business to them, while yall caught up in what's connected to what universe lol
Made 80 million. I am watching it next weekend so here is hoping it continues.
Everyone likes making so many comments about these movies becoming formulaic yet don’t or their money where their mouth is and support anything other than franchises.
This has been mentioned in the vein of Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man so I that is more than good enough for me.
Tom Hardy never phones it in!!
Sony & Amy Pascal are ruining comic book movies w/their non sense.
You gotta love man babies. All your worries in life. I mean how do you survive so much trauma about a fictional character in movies?
Yeah, sorry for feeling passionate about something timeless & generational, especially something that's become part of pop culture. :rollseyes:
Guernicaman ignore comments from people like KTK.
I doubt whether they truly understand your passion about the franchise, let alone the real issues behind the whole controversy. It already has been statistically proven that most if not nearly all complaints about issues from these sort of people (I do not want to label them SJs) are at the minimum fickle, and at the most with a ulterior motive or agenda in mind.
Remember, most of them who complain about movies do not even want those movies or know their history, most who complain about computer games (latest scandal being Rome 2) do not know the series or have not even played the game itself.
No doubt these same people would also complain if some piece of fiction or sports team that's become part of their life gets mishandled or corrupted they too would be just as outraged. Hypocrisy?
Before you cry perhaps you should watch the movie. You are big cry babies who takes rumors way too serious. It has nothing to do about passion. I'm an avid Spider-Man reader myself, but it's embarrassing to see such hissy fits over mere speculations. Grow up.
Thanks for another great video!
I actually was going to see Venom (probably), but after seeing your video I've decided to give it a pass. I didn't know the creative people behind it were exclusively the Sony folks.
Sony would be nuts not to renew their deal with Marvel. It's great for them. Marvel's executives take the "risk" of making new movies and Sony gets the rewards. A Spider-man extended universe where his villains all star in their own movies isn't gong to work. A Netflix style thing might work, though, where the supporting characters got their own limited TV series.
But that said, Venom seems to be doing pretty well at the box office. Maybe they just got a good release slot. There doesn't seem to be anything similar in theaters right now.
They should just give up the rights. There is no way they can handle a third reboot. Just give up already.
Unrelated, Pascal looks and sounds like a chain smoker and wakes up to a shot of whisky every day.
Sony needs to go bankrupt in order for Spidey to be allowed to go home, permenantly, to the MCU...smh
I am planing on seeing Venom, I will however not be spending money on it, Sony does not deserve any of my hard earned money
Ok, "sexy" guy.
Suuuuure..... be honest you werent going to pay anyway its just that now you've found a reason to justify your shity behavior, but justify it however you want you're still a thief not a noble thief just a petty little thief making excuses for your thefts.
Purple Purp Film piracy harms no one if you weren’t planning on going to see it anyway. I’ve seen a stream of Venom but wasn’t planning to see it anyway. Sony weren’t going to make any money from me regardless, so what’s the point in getting mad about it?
I saw Venom and loved it. Venom was a beast and also funny. Great feel to the film. At the end of the day it was a great watch.
Pascal is a blight on Sony movies...
I watched it first show Sunday, and immediately regretted waking up early for this dud.
Sony is devoid of talent. I'd be surprised if any of this happens... especially if Venom isn't a billion dollar hit.
@bigevilworldwide1 you are the biggest cheerleader, avi/amy is that you? Honestly, no one I know has an interest in the sonyverse, you go ahead and see it however many more times you said you were going to see it. It still has to oull in 450 million to break even, I kinda personally doubt they'll do it, more power to them if they do but, whatever I just have no interest in anything that arrad and pascal have their hands in.
Nichols Faith Where did you get that number?
@@KTK44 I heard it was first $150 million, then I noticed half a dozen people commenting the first figure had been wrong and was recalculated/adjusted and was actually $450 million. If it had been one or three people Id been too hesitant to go with that figure but, I figured several people were tossing the same figure they'd read so, I figured the possibility was more probable. Plus, $150 million is a lowball figure which didn't seen right to me and surely didnt take publicity into account either. Though, It always could be wrong, I'm not going to stand by it as absolute fact because I didn't read the article. I will say though, I don't think the problems with the film laid with Rubin or Hardy, I think it was well directed and that Hardy acted well with what he was given. I however hated the storyline, I hated how it ignored Venom's comic origin's et al. I wish they'd have let Marvel handle bringing Venom into the MCU through infinity war or secret wars story and done the character right. It is what it is though. If I do come acrossed the figures and find the article I will link to you. If you find anything on the updated figures link back to me?
@@KTK44 offhand, Forbes first said said around $145 million roughly for the budget. I'll keep looking for where this updated figure came from because I am interested too.
Nicholas Faith That estimated number of 450 m seems farfetched to me. IMDB has the budget estimated at 100 m. The general rule of thumb is that promotion costs roughly half of the budget (meaning bigger budget, more expense on promotion = hope of more revenue), that means the promotion budget would have been around 50 m, hell we can even round it up to 100 m just for fun. That's still nowhere near the 450 m number. So what money where exactly spend on what for the movie to only be able to break even on 450 m mark? It doesn't make sense to me. Even if we round budget number up to Forbes proclaimed 145 m, it stil doesn't make much sense. It's more likely that it will have to earn +300 m to be profitable. It's earned 205 m so far and various outlets says it has broke even. To me that claim seems more plausible than to suggest it needs to reach 450 m. It's also weird how the numbers you've seen has gone from 150 to 450. That's a huge margin. It still has not premiered in most of Europe, Japan and China though. Am I missing something here?
I absolutely loved the Daredevil movie. I was excited to see Venom before, but now numerous people have compared the two, I'm stoked.
As much as it pains me, being a diehard Venom fan, I will not see this movie/spend my hard earned cash on it as in doing so I threaten the likelihood of Spider-Man/Tom Holland remaining in the MCU
Buhu little kid. Hope Hardy's Venom bites the head of your little stuttering Holland. BTW stuttering every sentence is not great acting.
@@KTK44 lmao how ironic considering Tom hardy stuttered as well throughout the movie
Miibox R No he doesn't. Stuttering is what Holland does in Civil War when he meets Tony Stark at his apartment..."Wha wha wha what are you doing here?" And so on.
The film has many problems. The villain being one of the biggest problems and the whole life foundation falling flat. However, I would be lying if I said I didn't have fun watching it. Tom Hardy's dynamic with Venom does work pretty well. I went in with absolutely low expectations, so maybe that is in part why it was better than I expected?
As far as implications for the MCU? I am kind of in agreement with John Campea. If Venom had failed? Sony I think would have taken that as a sign that they can't have their own cinematic universe without Spider-Man. The deal was that they would share Spider-Man with Marvel/Disney in the MCU. With the success of Venom thus far, I think Sony may feel a bit more comfortable with allowing Spidey to stay in the MCU.
Everyone, don’t go see Venom if you want to keep Spider-Man in the MCU
He's not in the MCU moron, so how can they keep him?
KTK I meant Spider-Man but didn’t specify that
Unknown BTW why are people saying "go back to Sony". He is Sony's property. Just because I make a cooperation the property i contribute with is still mine and mine to decide what to do with.
I have seen the movie and I can say that overall it’s definitely a mixed bag. Tom hardy as Eddie Brock and venom is the best part about the movie but anything outside of them especially at the first act is kinda meh.
I had a laugh but I’m not sure if it was supposed to be intentional at times. The action scenes were pretty good. The other actors did an okay job but nothing much to write about.
The 1st end credits scene somehow had Ronald McDonald more memorable than the main villain. The 2nd end credits scene was definitely worth the price of admission.
Overall the critics saying that its awful are kinda exaggerating, but the people saying that its amazing are also exaggerating.
My grade is B- or a 6.5/10.
Multiple venom ads in this video
As always, fantastic insight. Great work guys
It's so sad and pathetic how hard Sony are trying.. They should really just give up on this shit. They've proven again and again that they're incapable of it.
Love the Spider-Man villain Kraven The Hunter, and who can forget the epic; "Kraven's Last Hunt!" in 1987. But for the love of God, just like Venom in cinemas now? without Spider-Man involved with Kraven its utterly pointless to have a movie based on him as the central character. Like Venom his one sole obsession is defeating Spider-Man, a solo film with him but without Spider-Man in it?, just doesn't work at all.
What's next, is Warners going to announce a solo Brainiac film that doesn't feature Superman and the Justice League whatsoever, to stop a galactic world conquering alien who's out to gain knowledge of all things via assimilation of their planet's culture (taking bottled cities) and so forth?!
#Renewthedeal
It made 200 million. They're not going to renew it.
After reading the comments, I conclude that, MCU fanboys are seriously butthurt about their company did not get the rights to creating a Venom movie. However, Spiderman is still under probation with both Sony and Marvel Studios, meaning they will take back and re-produce it.
Sad this movie seems to be opening strong at the box office despite the negative reviews. Its a shame the general movie going public are sheep that don't understand they are being lied too and yes Sony's suggestions this movie is apart of the Marvel Cinematic Universe are them passively and vaguely lying
Money is counted in the end.
movie goers dislike it. its the teen crowd who have worshiped venom because he looks cool not because his character is keen to spider-man...
A movie that's been hyped to hell & back w/a ton of money poured into market will no doubt open well. It's how much of a drop in its 2nd & 3rd weeks what determines if a film is truly successful or not, especially an expensive movie like this.
Have you seen the movie, muppet? Aren't you a sheep yourself considering you blindly trust a youtube video?
KTK - Nope absolutely not nor will I. Sony made this movie for all the wrong reasons and they shouldn't be rewarded for that. They won't get my money
Venom really did capture the personal one-on-one villain with Peter Parker as he can appear out of nowhere without triggering his Spider Sense. Sadly over the years, many writers had to up Norman Osborn's game by having him sleep with Gwen Stacy or even revealing he knew about the Clone project from Jackyl and such and such.
Nope, Venom was alot of fun. It doesn't deserve the hate.
Final Flame Productions Even if somehow the Venom movie is good, it still is bullshit. Would a Doc Ock solo movie make any sense?
At this put Sony is just going to beat a Dead horse still their nothing left of it
FOR THE FUTURE OF SPIDEY staying in the MCU.... WE should hate Venom
SHUT UP SONY FANBOY Final Flame Productions
Sony is such a fucking mess and Amy Pascal just needs to be fired.
Am I going to see Venom? No, I'll wait for the bluray. Sony might have access to all the Spiderman heroes and villans but I don't think that will be enough to start their universe because, unless you know the the comics or if the characters have been featured in other Spiderman films, the general public won't know who they are and will probably not have any interest. It is common knowledge that Marvel studios is responsible for Spiderman, at present, but if Sony don't renew the agreement, Spiderman will fail. He is too well intwined into the MCU and the MCU will not give Sony access to any of their IP's. Sony would have to start by redesigning his costume minus Stark tech and that will be massive IMO. No references to Civil War and Infinity War, so no backstories uless they want to redo his origin again and no one wants to see that.
I wouldn't even wait for that shit on bootleg (not even a borrowed copy)
That sound effect caught me offguard and got me to giggle, I won't lie.
I agree with a lot of what you said, but the movie wasn’t a disaster. Sony being a disaster is the only thing close to disaster. It’s like Lebron James being at Cleveland. He was the reason they were successful, but Cleveland was on Lebron’s own back. Venom can be like that. Tom Hardy was amazing. He carried the movie himself. It works, but they are affiliated with shitty Sony... they should’ve done a similar deal with Venom...
Just like that Sony Pictures is really Hanging from dear life i say i a couple of Years Sony will have to sell it's Tv and films to some other Company that's what i heard
As long as the movies are good and/or don't fall below the bar set by Venom (A genuinely decent movie) I really don't care about the movie politics. A story is about the story and Venom set a decent bar but if they get better or maintain the status quo, I support this purported and crazy scheme by Sony.
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Very fascinating video....keep up the great work..
They blew it... totally blew it. But it's Sony. Did we expect anything else?
Did you see it?
Venom just opened to $80 million! The highest ever opening for October. Looks like we’ll be getting the Song Venom universe after all.
Spiderman Homecoming was lame...
At best, financially it may gross $300-$400 million but I could be wrong. It might make its budget back in its opening weekend.
Cynical Joker What will do this film in is the word of mouth and people not flocking to it after that.
Worst case scenario, it will have a respectable opening weekend like Green Lantern then take a nose dive.
It's just 'bleh'. They got the look right, and very little else. There's nothing to it other than the visuals. Might as well go watch "Spawn" again. Except for that Hell scene... my god, that looks worse with every passing year.
Still waiting for the makers of that movie to give John Liglazamo an apology.
Honestly, I want Sony to get Spidey back, the MCU trivializes everything and I’d like to see Spidey back in his own stories and lore away from the cluster-fuck that is the MCU.
Ditch Tom Holland. Bring someone new.
Fourth Spider-Man in less than a decade? Audiences will definitely criticized and starting to dislike Spider-Man movie franchise if that'd happen...
@@ac_fauzan2805 If that's the thinking then fine. Keep Tom Holland. He has one more film after 'Far From Home' so if Sony wanted to they could have their Spider-man Venom movie with Tom Holland and Tom Hardy and people would see it without the MCU connections.
Great video! Sony’s decision on renewing their deal with Marvel will entirely depend on the success or failure of these spinoffs. They can gamble every cent that Marvel makes them on the two Spider-Man movies on trying to establish a universe to plug Holland into and keep their options open until the last minute.
Personally I think this is a great reason to wait for the spinoffs to come to tv..
A Spider-Man universe without spider-man is like a hot fudge sundae with no ice cream and only hot fudge
Just saw Venom, it's great. I recommend to see it before reading comments. Hope more will follow in the future including Spiderman.
Sony and universal need to give all the rights back asap
Is it bad I am seeing a pre-order for Venom on UA-cam?
Venom is WAY better than Fan4stic....
Nice work on this video. I learned stuff when i thought my nerdy self knew it all. I hope Venom works out.
VENOM will have about an 80 million opening.
If there isn't a huge drop-off in weekend two I'll have to be watching Sony's movie announcements.
I like Spider-Man in the MCU
I saw it on Saturday 10/06, It was solid. a bit slow at the beginning , but took off. the way they dealt with Venoms powers (how they mirror Spider-Mans) was actually decent (reminiscent of Spawns Armor and Cape). As a stand alone I thought it was fine. they went with the "anti-hero" version of venom.
Venom is the closest character tied directly to Spider-man, and I was very worried how the would manage it without Spider-man. I left the theater pleasantly surprised.
As far as the other Spider-man tangential characters "needing" the web slinger, I don't think they do need it for their origins. Spidey didn't "create" them, they were there and he encountered them. so they could do a lot of world building without needing Spider-man, and then later they can introduce those characters to Spider-man if they get the rights back.
I'm really into late 90s-early 2000's half-assed and loosely based superhero movies, my favorite example being Howard The Duck. They have that certain charm you don't usually get with other movies such as Iron man or The Dark Knight trilogy. Admittingly, they're the best movies. But I kinda dig when superheroes get really cheesy and sometimes very loosely based adaptations. And Venom, from what I've heard, seems to fit that quota. And I might check it out some day
I really enjoyed this film, my big problem is venom is more of a joke than a threat. They have references to the thing throughout the film and with it being pg13 it doesn’t let it be totally free.
Let MCU have Holland. Sony can introduce a new Spidey.