Kiss - Strutter (Demo 1973)
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Music: Kiss - Strutter (Paul Stanley / Gene Simmons, 1972). This second of the pre-Kiss later core songs was written before Peter Criss came into the picture.
Like many other "collaborations", Paul borrowed the chord pattern of Gene's earlier "Stanley The Parrot" song and developed a new piece. According to Paul, "Once we picked up the tempo of it and started playing a lot suspended chords, the song developed a real Stones-y kind of feel" (Box Set liners).
Paul saw the lyrics as describing, the glam movement of early 1970s New York, along with the strutting style of the song's music. Lyrically, the song is mostly Paul's creation, though Gene added the song's riff to the older original chord structure.
Ace Frehley also latter had input on the song, "I wrote those inverted chords, and I think they were a great addition to the song. It's funny, but Paul and I never wrote a song together" (Guitar World, 1992).
Recorded as a 4:57 demo, the song included musical features, notably the second guitar solo section, that were later removed as the song was further refined.
Ace Frehley is responsible for one of the most addictive guitar tones ever
It's in his touch and technique
as a kid i couldn’t wait to hear Ace’s solos...then Pauls resonate vocals...then maybe drums and last that dude on bass who should of just been the bass player and nothn else...you know who you are... g g g
Yes it was very Chuck Berryish - bluesy with a touch of rock a billy & loud enough to call it good ol' American rock
and ol' Gene on the bass wasnt to shabby either
He did or will never top Robin Trower's tone. Trower is second to none.
ladies and gentleman, that's the real KISS. The raw, hungry, chemical, black and silver KISS.
I like this better than the official release.
Me too.
Almost sounds to polished to be a demo.
Me too
@@ericjohnson2543 the original sounds more like a demo than this
Yep, lot better, a lot of bands demo,s are better than the albums, AC/DC demos r gr8, rush has some gr8 stuff too...gr8 day to ya,,,...P.D.
Back when KISS was good.
For sure!
MAN, Ace killed it on this take! I would’ve preferred this raw version over the EP release.
People forget how good a bass player Gene Simmons is...just listen !!
I'm a bassist myself.
They playing is very solid here.
I'm wondering if it's really him or a hired cat.
@@RSTI191 Considering the year and that it's a demo I would bet its him. Sounds like his style to me also.
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I hear a "seasoned" player.
Could be, probably is, don't know for sure.
When he tries, he is very solid and underrated. Truly respectable playing. He's a jerk though, so when he's in a mood he'll let his playing slide as a way to pout.
Walking bass line. Very professional.
When Gene wasn't singing, his basslines were more complex. When he was singing, he resorted to "one note" playing.
more energy in this than the album version
That 70s heavy rocking sound, only KISS could produce. 😎
I read Paul’s Book, and with their first advance they played in front of a small crowd and blew up all their pyrotechnics. Lol. Rock and Roll. Practice, blown up early. They just went ape shit nuts, from early on. Been a HARDCORE fan for only 45 years. I had a banana seat Huffy and an 8 track in 1980 with only two tapes. Greatest hits of the 50s and 60s and Kiss Double Platinum. 13 speakers, motorcycle battery. I was king of the world.
It's much better than recorded version .
You can thank Eddie Kramer for that! He was the engineer on these demo versions, but sadly not the versions released on record!!
Gene's bass is better here than the studio version. The bass line is kicking. Gene is an underrated beassist.
I agree. I played this bass line recently, and it isn't so easy to play, because the bass never stop to swing since the begginning to the end.
For a good reason. Lol!
I think it's not him....
Totally agree! As a bassist he's never taken the lazy path, he's always busy but never unnecessarily flashy. A true musician
This song epitomizes the first KISS lineup's sound and approach to songwriting. This is an historical document. Ace's early solo playing was very reliant on syncopated motifs and bluesy bends. This is very good pre-shredding improv for its time.
I think Paul Stanley is a very underated singer?
He is - I've had 15 years of Opera lessons and my vocal instructor said Paul Stanley is one of his favorite rock singers.
I don't know anybody who doesn't like kiss
don't want to know anybody that don't like kiss
Wow, this version is way better than the album version.
The producer wanted AM radio hits, so he toned them down, to their detriment. Remember, Casablanca was the label of disco. KISS was their only hard rock band in the beginning. It wasn't until they put out KISS Alive (out of desperation) that the band finally started selling albums.
Ace, he is the Man
all the demos from the first album are way better than the actual versions on the album
The album version is way over produced. They took out all the rawness out of this.
I don't think so, some different takes are equally as good. I love underproduced music, so I can feel the value on all of them.
+Chic Matthews - That was indeed Ace. Those were standard Ace licks. WTF?
Tom Hardy kisssssssss
Chic Matthews -- Ace did it!!
My Mom Hated Kiss!!!
Every morning we would play Hotter than Hell~1975
Ha ha ha excellent
Tommy Thayer isn't Ace Frehley. Ace was the heart of KISS.
Paul was the mind
Gene was the dick
Peter was the heart
Ace was the soul
Eddie Kramer should have produced the fiirst 3 records no question about it
Mind you: a demo. A DEMO.
What a sound.
Theatrical image aside (although that most likely was a unique selling point) if they sounded anything remotely like this when first presented to the record company, it's no wonder they got signed. Most band never manage to sound this good even after they get professional recording backup.
This demo was produced by Electric Ladyland Studios' house producer, Eddie Kramer. He was Jimi Hendrix' producer.
Ace on fire!!
Demo sounds better than first record.
Demo my butt it’s a masterpiece
Back in the 70's, when their first 3 albums were just out, we wore the grooves out of that vinyl and loved it. There wasn't any internet, MTV, or any other kind of visual exposure for bands other than the Midnight Special or Don Kirshners Rock Concert. But the songs melody and lyrics gave us all the visual imagery we needed. Along with memorizing every picture on the album sleeves.
Great memories of a great band.
rubbersole79 What a time it was to be alive...
Absolutely blistering. Almost punk.
But it's not Punk! It's KISS! lol
They made something totally new!
It is a lot tougher than the version on their debut album
Michael Reardon ...definitely!
Eddie Kramer did a good job with KISS' demos. If you listen closely, 90% of the songs are better than the official release.
Love this version better than album guitar solos great 🤘🤘
Demo? It's better than the album version!!! Gene is stompin on this! Ace is smokin Hot!! Thank You!!
Incredible
:This "demo" should have been the finished product.
this is fucking awesome!!
Yesssah!
no one else can touch this band
no..just no man...they were great i can confess that but your way of thinking is out of this world
Before the stardom, drugs and alcohol. The money, fancy cars, industry and personalities... this was Kiss on their own. And Aces solo shows what he couldve done. My favourite
These demos just positively BURY the versions that appeared on their first album. ALL of them. Captures their live energy for sure. Thank you for posting this. Sooooo cool!
I agree. It sounds like them when they cut loose on stage.
I read somewhere they were not even successfully making money for Casablanca until the KISS ALIVE lp came out. My point being, they ALWAYS sound FAR better live to me.
fucking love it
This demo sounds better than anything being put out today.
Ace Frehley, lead guitar!
Strutter, Detroit Rock City, Love Gun. Those songs are based on very 80's chord progressions. People say that VH started the 80s in the 70s but i think KISS were ahead of them
Yeah..and the New York Dolls were ahead of Kiss.
This "demo" is better than 90% of the music that is released today...
Old is good, Without Ace an Peter new sucks. Old Ace an Peter, new Paul an Gene, new sucks, old is good.
Graz'zt Lugburz 99.9 %
I think I know what you mean, like back in the early 90s in the grunge era there was so many different types of music and groups making the charts. Metal, techno, all sorts
KLF, motiv8, Shaggy, Run DMC and songs from Soundgarden, Pantera, Faith no more etc.
In all honesty I like music from Pink and Lady Gaga.
The whole industry has totally changed I think the new generation of people are just a bunch of pussies
@@jethrotull7773 don't say new suks you suc
Right I agree
WOW! Never heard this before. Fantastic. I like Strutter, but this is better. Why didn't they release this version?
More raw , organic
I don't know why they don't release it, they should.
@@jethrotull7773
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better then the album version.... they should have released this version...
the bass is awesome
the second solo is very good
the thickness and heavy tone of ace's guitar on all 6 kiss records is so 🤘
This may be my favorite version.
Better than the album version
@Hirkey Shmirkey Eddie Kramer produced the band's first demos. I wish they kept him for their first three albums. He also produced Alive (all of them), Rock and Roll Over, Love Gun and Aces solo album.
I remember hearing ALIVE for the first time as a youngster. From that day on, i owned my moms tennis racket. 😎
The energy here is unreal. Peter's drumming!
Ace Frehley is a champion
Best version, more guitar solo :)
I like this version, more extended riffing, got a little more spank to it too.The solo Ace does is good, but the solo on the album version is a little hotter, imo.
Great stuff, thanks!
Man, the bass in Strutter was always pretty damn good, but this demo really pushes it to the front and it just fucking walks and talks.
I don't like Jean much,, all overall it does Rock
These guys were the hit at High School in 73. All anyone talked about was Gene's tongue - real or not. Then came the Double live LP. They've grown on me over the years. No, it's not Led Zeppelin. Never tried to be but they had something and what it is is entertainment and sometimes that's all ya need.
ACE!!! ACE!!! ACE!!! Wow.
Where TF has this been ?? This is SO sic & killer!! I just happened to run across this by accident. Strutter is my favorite older KISS song, I cant stop playing this since I heard it!! My guess, back in 73, times where different, songs on radio airplay had to be around 3-4 mins in general, which I can only guess as to why this masterpiece was hacked up!!
The bass is absolutely thumping so hard through out the song
This blows the released version out of the water ...........Kramer fucked up on this one.
My favourite Kiss song (not really much of a Kiss fan), this is a great version.
Love the classic KISS
Ace is always kick ass!
Why is this better than the actual version lol
OMG! WAY better than the album version! Why oh why did they slow it down and dump the great guitar solos? From what I heard of the demos, they should've released ALL those versions and everyone would've taken the band's music more seriously!
This is a demo? Damn this is so much better than the LP version!
I was just looking for a suitable space to make that exact comment! This sounds live!
I don't know why they didn't have Eddie Kramer produce their album. He produced Alive though and the rest is kisstory.
Great version. Love the guitar sound
Now this is the way that song should have been released! Longer and better!
ACE THE BEST 👍👍
When I saw Kiss for the first time on Nov. 3rd 1974 I didn't know who they were, well that changed in a hurry...
Welp happy anniversary for that! Well now not because its 4:57 am but you get the idea
Genes bass playing and Ace guitar stand out for me.
This is pure Glam Rock. I saw Kiss in Gothenburg Scandinavium Arena 1975 . First 3 Studio albums + Alive is awe some.
Scandinavia wow I never been there. What's it like there?
I saw Kiss Feb 22 1975 in Schererville Indiana at the Omni 41 ice Rink.I still have the stub and great memories of my very first Rock Concert.And it was the first of a series of rock concerts that year until Freddie Fenders creepy following started a fire somewhere inside the venue.The country bumpkin THUGS put a stop to future events.Just goes to show you that us Rock-N-Rollers know how to behaive a a live show.Also saw Rush there.....Aerosmith....Foghat.....Golden Earing.....James Gang....without Walsh.....great memories when i was 15.
Kiss in the 70's was the best.
The solo is way better!!
Born in the City of NEW YORK on March 23 1961. Growing up I thought these guys were the new York dolls. Goes to show how dumb of a kid I was when they were getting started in the days of the analog sounds, pre digitals. It was two years later down the road I purchased my first ever KISS album of DRESSED TO KILL in 1975. They, at the time changed my personality and city attitude forever from this point on and always. God love em and to those who followed them as well. Cheers..
This is such a fucking awesome take on this song.
Their early sound (the demos, live at the daisy and loft rehearsal recordings) was much better and had a more rock-n-roll-ish vibe and cooler instrumentals
this band is so overhated. i, for one, like kiss. this comment section needs some more love for this band
If you notice at 0:38 the concert flyer. It says "with HEAVY METAL MASTERS". Interesting. And look at those early black leather outfits and dog collars. Who helped define what a metal band should look like? KISS did. Most bands including Judas Priest, Motley Crue, etc didn't start wearing black until around 1980 and after. These photos are from 73 and 74.
pity they did not stick with eddie kramer cause his demos was better then the final released versions of the first album, strutter demo is way better than the shitty final version, same with god of thunder, but she the final version is magic.
Well ok not shitty, i just like the demo version more, it just sounds more raw, i just fealt with the final version there was something missing.
that god of thunder demo with paul singing is WAYYYYYYYYY fkn better than what they recorded
I so agree there i love god of thunder demo, final verson sucks.
I prefer this to the original
Same.
This version is great......love it
It's obvious that Eddie Kramer was the producer best suited for KISS in the 1970's.
This is when KISS was KISS........ They blew me away with KISS Alive double album. Unfortunately all great things must come to an end.. Their 2019 shows are..............To be blunt (SHIT)........We are all getting old and all our old bands(AC/DC / Sabbath / Floyd / Stones / Skynard / Alice Cooper are pretty much gone.................. Just enjoy the memories.... We (I`m 61) lived in the greatest time for music ever...... The 60s 70s 80s.......What can you say??.........................................I keep saying to my kids( 19/21/23) "You would have loved the 70s"............
Yeah Man !!! That´s true ************* :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
couldn't of said it better.....
The 80's sucked!...with a few exceptions...Ozzy, Maiden, Metallica......My favorite time was the 70's and 90's
Gene has allways been an under rated bass player.As this demo proves he is actually very good,even unique.His "walking" the bass style is allways interesting and really enhances the rythum and melody at key times.Very animated old time rock boogie notes that many others at the time didn't or couldn't play but instead just thumped out the chords root note over and over.I learned how to play bass listening to Genes style and PAUL MCARTNEYS melodic bass lines as I'm sure GENE SIMMONS did too.
I thought the same, BEATLES like bass melodic.
Ace sounds fucking cool as shit on this.
This is better than the recorded version off the first KISS album.
+steveclem MUCH better!!
guessing they cut it down to try and get radio play, oh well. like this version also.....f
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steveclem i agree...The demos are more raw..more unpolished..Its like they just all got together and presed record...thats how it should b...In todays world one band member does his part and its put together bercause its mixed a thousand times..
wow..that was great...best version of that song I have heard
Ace Frehley's guitar playing had a lot to do with the success of Kiss.
Read pauls book Face the Music...Ace Frehleys not everything he's cracked up to be. Eventually couldnt even play his parts that were written for him
@@tosspot1305 Yes, that's true, but his style was still an important part of the band's sound. He was sloppy in exactly the right way and was influential to a lot of future rock guitarists.
@@batman.darthmaul Yer I think you're right there. They didnt actually kick him out the first time either, he decided to quit
@@tosspot1305 Yes, Paul says in his book he went over to Ace's place one weekend and spent the day trying to convince him to stay in the band. I think Ace realized he was going to kill himself if he stayed in that environment, so he left.
@@tosspot1305 that's because he was stoned. Paul didn't like him anyway. I think Ace can play very good.
You wanted the best, you got the best !!
Mabe baby
I think we can all agree. A band that’s hungry is a band that’s best .
Love the old kiss
Their albums weren't this well produced .
really like Ace's solo on this.
Outstanding!!
That guitar solo!!!
this is badass music
Well, OF COURSE
😄👌
It sounds better and faster than the original on the record
People in the 70s were really creating art just so they could get laid.
That's what Gene Simmons said basically in Kiss Exposed. I prefer Strutter 78 myself but I appreciate the rawness of this and parts of Aces solo. Sounded a bit like 100 000 years.
Imagine going to The Daisy or The Coventry in late 1973. You get your local bands dressed in early 70's plaid that play shit like "Goin home...to see my baby" and then all of a sudden here comes these 4 guys dressed like evil clowns that play Strutter and you're standing there going "Woah, what is this?" You could tell they were destined for greatness
awesome demo fucking blows me away, fucking hell the guitar from ace on this so gutsy and raw, the demo they should of had as the final version, tell me i am wrong that this version is better, they should of stuck with eddie kramer, love everything with this demo. i have this on loud.