Who’s dumb enough to shop ammo at your local gun stores anyway? Buy that shit online like you’re supposed to do. If you shop online, you’ll notice that 30sc HST rounds cost about the same as 9mm HST, but it’s less expensive than HST rounds in 380, 40, 357sig, 45, and 10mm. 30sct HST rounds will do exactly what 9mm HST does, except in a 30sc gun, you’ll have at least more rounds to kill the bad guy with.
lol, buying a machinegun that shoots .303 British is a bigger flex than a Ferrari or a Rolex could ever be. What better way to say "LOOK AT ME, I HATE MONEY"
@@HebrewHammerArmsCo The only issue that I have with .303 is the price, but it could absolutely be worse; I priced 7.35 Carcano awhile back and it helped put things into perspective lol
I have a Steyr-Mannlicher 1905 pistol that shoots 7.65 mannlicher, which is only available from one source for 7+ dollars per round. So I did some research and got a loading die set from CH tool and die, and they recommended using 30 super carry cases and resizing them for 7.65 mannlicher. So that’s neat, and saves me a little money lol.
Until a pistol is designed from the ground up for .30 SC instead of just being a converted 9, a lot of potential is left unrealized in my opinion. I think an untapped advantage of .30 SC is in enabling double stack, dual feed handgun magazines, similar to that of the Five Seven. The lack of taper would make loading easier, make the magazine simpler to build and arguably more reliable, and add 1 to 2 more rounds over a double stack single feed mag. Making such a magazine out of steel would probably allow it to be thinner than a Glock 43 mag, enabling the design of a very slim high capacity pistol. Think P365XL but narrower and with 15 or 16 rounds instead of 12. The higher pressure and smaller bore diameter of .30 SC would also make compensators more effective for those who want to go that route
i’d like to see a 365 or shield plus designed for it. if Glock made a series entirely based on the round that would be ideal. something like the 48 or 43
I agree with the potential of the cartridge, and I bought one right after it came out, but then I traded it back in again. The round is fine but having a whopping 2 guns that shoot it, one single stack and one subcompact, really takes my enthusiasm away. It's begging for a double stack possibly double feed full sized pistol, and I'd love a nice PCC/PDW style weapon to go along with it. I don't think it's meant to be though, unfortunately, it'll die on the vine similarly to my dreams of a modern and available double stack 7.62x25 handgun.
327 Federal Magnum if you’re ever looking for a Revolver that shoots everything from low recoil 32 S&W Long or Short, 32 H&R Magnum and they even chamber 32 ACP since it’s a semi rimmed case!
@@jessesimmons4503 They already make the SP101 in .327, but they also make the LCR which weighs 10oz less. Additionally S&W now makes a 3" 6 shot J-Frame and Taurus (their quality has skyrocketed in the past couple years) makes a 3" that is cut for a micro red dot so there's no reason to carry something that weighs as much as a G19. That said I very much want to see someone make .30SC conversion kits for the 365 series especially the XL since that is the best blend of shootability/concealablity in my opinion.
Hey bud. I'm a big fan of 7.62×25. Around 1600 fps with a 85 grain projectile. Will usually defeat level 3a soft body armor. Just a suggestion. Love the channel.
I bought the 16 inch AR 15 barrel from KAK Industries in 30 Luger then I am shooting Racoons with it. Those PPU 309" 86 grain bullets put the instant stop to Coons and sends their guts out the other side. I shot the same 30 luger load at a 4x6 with the 86 grain bullet did a pass through that never expected that to happen. I think the Hornaday 309" 90 grain bullet from the 30 Luger shot from the AR 15 would mess up an attacker badly.
.32 NAA, or .25 NAA, would have been an interesting route too! And if you haven't heard of those, definitely suggest looking into them. Wish the cartridges had both caught more wind/developed further
I think 30 super carry is such an interesting cartridge and I really wish Sig would make a P365 in it. I think if Sig did that 30 super carry would become a big player in the conceal carry market. Or at least a bigger player. And the hate for 30 super carry is something that I find super odd, why wouldn't you want more rounds for about the same power? It's the whole reason why people don't carry the 45. 9mm is smaller, lighter, and generally doesn't put as much force down range, and definitely doesn't has the energy transfer like 45 does at the same foot pounds of energy. Having a P365 Macro with a +20 rounds of 30 super carry would be really cool. And I think that's where the 30 super carry could have a real following. Speaking of lighter recoiling rounds, I'd love to find a company who could turn me out a 22 TCM barrel for a P365, I'd be limited to the 22 TCM 9R bullets, but throwing a 39gr pill down range at about 2000fps would be really cool. Plus, 22 TCM is as cheap as 9mm (when you buy from the manufacturer online anyway.) One can dream. One can dream.
People who carry 9mm hate .30 super carry for the same reason people who carry .45 hate 9mm, which is also the same reason people who carry 9mm hate 45 AARP. It's a normal function of the human mind, although it has dubious merit. Now I *HATE* .30 super carry because they called it .30 super carry. Call it Super 30 or 30 Super like .38 Super, carry just kills the punch in the name.
@@xxxxxxxxxx6903Mag capacity. Maybe grip thickness and recoil (but recoil is just a reflection of energy and mass, so "you get what you pay for" in a sense). Though, the size difference isn't extreme enough to ALWAYS gain additional rounds in the mag or swell the grip.
@@xxxxxxxxxx6903 .357 SIG is 10mm Auto necked down and shortened so you get even less capacity than 9mm Luger with more recoil. .30SC gives you more capacity than 9mm with less recoil while still penetrating to FBI minimum depth with decent sized permanent wound cavities.
@@jacobadams7440 - While I see you point, there are factory loads of 357Sig loaded to 1900+Ft/Sec! And even hotter hand loads. Within typical handgun engagement distances, it's single shot incapacitation rating is right there with 357Mag. Not sure if 30SC real world performance can match that data?
Over a year ago I bought a M&P EZ in .30 Super Carry. At the same time, Scheel's also ran the ammo on sale for $13.99 for a box of 50 Federal FMJ, and the 20-rd boxes of HP's for $11.99. I bought 500 of each. It's a nice carry gun, fits 10 in the mag instead of 8 rds that the 9mm offered. Definitely has a "different" recoil impulse with those spicy higher chamber pressures, but I like it. Variety is the spice of life.
Outstanding video. Also thank you for this one. I have looked at the 30 super carry and just reading about it. I was not impressed by it. With you Mark, I do not know you, yet I respect your input greatly. Based on the fact that you are not trying to impress anyone at all. You are as far as I know. Honest with everything you show on your videos. To me that means a lot. So, again thank you Sir.
Mark I was wondering if you were going to mention the FN 5/Seven . It’s a nice gun but it is pretty large for edc, at least here in Libtard MA . We cannot carry more than 10rnds😵💫😵💫🤮 I’m glad you talked about the 30 super carry I have been wanting to retire my Sig p238 380apc I have been carrying for 12yrs now, I’m 64yrs old & like you in my 30+yrs of caring I never had to use my weapon.
Cut down 5seven makes more sense in a pistol than the full round where the muzzle flash from the FN pistol looks like a tactical nuke exploding. I suppose you could try to swage or roll(?) a new neck on the cut down cartridge and reuse the original projectile.
IMHO .30 super carry is too loud, especially out of short barrels. Maybe a fuddish take but I'm worried about disorienting myself (more than something like a 9mm would) if I'm having to shoot it in an enclosed space, at night, without earpro, ECT. Just a gut feeling I have that makes me hesitant to embrace the caliber.
For me, it seems that the 30 SC is more suitable as a submachine gun round or as a carbine rifle round than in pistols. It is more efficient in longer barrels .
If that’s a concern, you could still get a lot out of .30 SC type round by reducing powder charge and shortening it a bit. I bet you could use something like that to make a small, light, pocket pistol. And with such a small, light round, you could easily make it a simple blowback than a more complicated locked breech design. Man, if only the greatest firearms inventor John Moses Browning came up with it. I bet they would have called it 7.65mm Browning, or .32 ACP.
@@classifiedad1 - the industry should have made a rimless 32 ACP with a slightly longer case for use in double column pocket pistols. Maybe using a heavier bullet. It would have had a better chance of catching on.
I sorta went the other way. Looking at something that can be used in both a longarm and a pistol without compromising too much either way. Built a 7.5 FK AR and it seems to fit the bill. Now i just have to work out the bugs
This makes me want to hit the gun range today. That's called going outside for me. I live on a ranch in Texas. I have a patch on a hat that says "Aim for the face" instead of the North Face...
Is it a cut down .30 carbine case? It might be a great cartridge for both humans and medium size critters with good projectiles. A lightweight high capacity gun good for hiking and camping or work out in the field.
I carried a first gen Keltec P32 for years. I would like to get another one. My daughter carries it now. The only downside I ever seen to a 32acp was the occasional rim lock in the magazine. 30 super carry seems like a great submachine gun caliber. Maybe a great derringer round. Maybe a GB22 turned into a GB30 super carry. I haven't looked at the pressures of it, so maybe it's not the best blow back caliber? But the GB30SC could have a bolt that locks closed.
Yea, but a few big caveats to that data set: 1) The .32 had the smallest or 2nd smallest sample size behind .44 Mag. (1 more person shot, but fewer hits). 2) It had the highest percentage of people who were never incapacitated. 3) It had the lowest percentage of hits that were fatal.
I like mine. It has similar performance to 9mm, the mags hold three more rounds than 9mm, is close to the same price, and has about the same about of recoil (at least for me I can’t really tell the difference). The only problem is that the options for ammo types and firearms in .30 SC are kind of limited compared to 9mm.
Good review, I agree that most folks carry the lightest handgun for concealed carry. I carry the same Sig as you but only during colder months that is easier to conceal. All other times I carry the Ruger LCP Max .380 with 12 round mag. I never leave home without it 😊Cheers
@@ScottyAlmondjoy Shame, I would love it if 30 Carbine lived on in some modern capacity. Plus, from what I am seeing online, it had superior ballistics to 5.7
30 Super Carry was developed at just about the worst time to release a new cartridge, when 9mm, .223, 5.56, and .308 were in short supply, and it only got released for, (if i recall correctly), two models of S&W Shield and a Nighthawk Custom. I'm not sure if anyone else has made one by now.
That's still all unfortunately. Plus the Hi-Point 30SC carbine for what that's worth. I hope we begin to see some handgun models actually designed for 30SC, but since adoption has been so slow, we may never see that happen.
I have three, the S&W Shield, Shield Plus and Hi-Point 3095 Carbine, both of the Shields are mine and my wife's current carry. The carbine is a kick in the ass fun gun to shoot, brass retention is challenging with all of them. They reload fine, they are accurate and I trust my life with them. I'm also on the .32 fetish, I recently acquired a Ruger SP 101 in 327 Federal Magnum, definitely a little spicier, if I could just get my hands on a Henry Big Boy Steel Rifle in 327 Federal, my quest would be over. Just as a little background info, I have a diverse selection to draw from, the pipsqueaks to the reasonable big ones, after all the First Rule of Gun Nuts, 1. You can NEVER have too many !!!!! Update: I also need to include my BSA 310 Cadet, fun little single shot, shoots a 0.321 diameter bullet !!!
KAK Industries has AR 15 barrels in 30 Luger so I got one in 16 inch and now assonating Racoons with it using a FoxPro caller. What a smoken great 30 cal cartridge it is and totally wastes them, Coons. Reloading supplies for the 30 Luger are really easy to get also. Bar Sto barrels I found has Browning Hi power 30 luger barrels and some for other pistols.
The 32 H&R should have caught on. Same energy as standard pressure 38 Special with 20% higher capacity in snubbie revolvers. It is having a bit if a resurgence lately though since the 327 mag was introduced. It is easier to shoot in those revolvers.
I was gonna suggest the 327 Federal Magnum but again with the rim. On the other hand there are guns that feed 357 from a magazine so it's not /that/ insane. Maybe only 30-35% bonkers. Yeah it's handy to have multiple guns using one cartridge but like you said I'm not supplying an army so having a couple extra boxes in my ammo closet isn't a big deal. Makes range day lighter though, stuff my 357 revolver and my 357 lever gun in the trunk with one can of 357 ammo and I'm done. Probably not as helpful as it'd be to have the right round for the right job though.
You got me interested in your 5.7 project. I've been interested in something akin to a 25 magnum cartridge but nothing like that exists. Something designed for a hand gun but would be fun to have in a rifle too.
The concept of cutting a 5.8x28mm case at the bottle neck was explored in the early 2000's with the 7mm Penna. A few pistols were made in that caliber but there is hardly any information about the real world performance of the round.
You mentioned .25 cal……I’ve dabbled in gunsmithery and have made some nice stuff, but I was always pondering something like .25 magnum? Stuff more powder in?? Just to build a super lightweight carry pistol. I carry a Smith and Wesson featherweight .38, and I wish sometimes, I had something even lighter. Food for thought. Take care!
What about a 25 prodgy in a hornet shell for a 25 mag or a 25 in a 30 carbine shell for super wizz bangery sorry if I got you all thinking but both of these are 70 odd years old check out 25 hornet or 257 spitfire
I know the 7.62x25 is a pretty long cartridge but i think that thing is pretty neat too nonetheless. Also I luckily did read 1984 along with a few other dystopian novels for my english class (im dutch).
Years ago I invented another class of pistol. The "Dress up gun". Small, very light weight and pocket carry. It is good for social occasions and lounging around the house. It was a .380 ACP but I always wanted one in 9mm, but a 9mm gun was much bigger for some reason. 30 super carry could be the solution. Thanks Mark!
Mark was late to hear about 30 Super Carry because he's productively engaged in the shop making stuff instead of haunting gunny UA-cam and gun forums. The S&W doesn't do anything for me. I'll wait for Springfield to make a 30 Super Carry with GRIP ZONE on the grip so I know where to hold it. Another caliber isn't a negative. It's an excuse to reload another cartridge! Bonus if I can cast lead bullets and powder coat them. 11:20 - Speaking of reloading, wildcatting the 5.7 into a straight wall high pressure 7mm would be fairly awesome. I don't have a 5.7 because it's a pain to reload and tends to get neck splits after a couple of reloadings.
I will be making the move into the 5.7x28 FN ecosystem from the 9x19. The reference threat scenario needs more effective range and higher mag capacity over concealment or weight.
@@Tunkkis.22 TCM - very limited availability, only one manufacturer (both gun and ammunition). 5.7 is already much more popular and only getting more popular by the day.
Doesn't look different enough to warrant the investment over the 9mm (ref: Ammo Depot article)... I'm not sure if it makes sense for another snappy round in a compact gun. That's why I blew off the .40 and 10mm my handgun option. It took too long to get back on target. I like the 5.7 as it does something significantly different in a handgun. I'd be interested in your 7mm effort. I'd like to see more options in the 10 round micro carry that have more reliability than a .22.
Keltec or hipoint or someone in that teir make one. Can't remember who. I live in south Africa. We don't get that brand here. Gun jesus reviewed it about a year ago I think. Edit It's hipoint. ua-cam.com/video/Jm4fcDGbbRI/v-deo.htmlsi=nb0MEu_97e7d5Xiu
@@GunFunZS I would think that the smaller 30 super carry cartridge and the ability to carry more rounds verses 300 would be relevant. Especially in regards to a sub gun. 300 blk is an intermediate round and twice the size and weight of the 30 super.
You got a lead on that $0.18/rd 9mm? Lowest I can find online is $0.26/rd and that's bulk Magtech steel case. I haven't seen under $13 a box locally since 2018.
idk how many people carry an extra mag for their daily carry pistol, so having an extra 2 rounds sounds like a great deal if no ballistic performance is lost, but did you get good ,consistent performance from the ammo?
If your gun holds 15 rounds you'll probably never need to reload it if you actually had to draw and shoot, but a lot of people like that added little bit of peace of mind, and just one reload in itself isn't very obtrusive.
I really like my first generation S&W Shield 9mm, it makes a great front pocket carry gun, reliable and shoots well. I liked it so much I bought a Shield Plus 9mm. But the magazine catch/release is slightly different, causing my thumb to inadvertently press the magazine catch which of course causes failures. I need to change to a thumbs up grip or install a different magazine catch. I considered the 30 Super Carry, and like it's ballistics as compared to 9mm but decided not to add another caliber.
If you hit vitals like nerves, spine, smooth brain, etc... absolutely. There's a pretty infamous case where an officer got in a gunfight with a cartel member and the guy took 13 rounds of .45acp JHP to the body, 6 of which were considered "lethal hits" to lungs and heart area, but it took another 3 to the guys face to end the fight... Totaling 17 rounds of 200+ grain 45acp to stop the firefight. He now carries over 140 rounds of 9mm... Just in case.
My dad new a guy in college who got shot trying to break up a bar fight. It was with a 22lr snubnose revolver. The bullet nicked his aorta and the dude bleed out before the ambulance got there. Shot placement is important.
@@RichardCranium321 one of our local duputies emptied his service weapon into a meth head. He got all K zone hits. The man scuffed with deputy for empty weapon before two additional officers could subdue him. I was in ER for unrelated condition got good chat with classmates from HS, both deputy and monster who recognized me. The bullets didn't expand and meth man lived for another half year, the drugs got him not the bullets. I'm warry of bullets and calibers that haven't been proven
@@christinepearson5788Yup. You're not wrong to feel that way. We're being sold snake oil, it seems. Look at Paul Harrells tests with 10mm Auto, certain manufacturers were underloading the rounds. Always run your carry ammo through a chrony. 👍 Ps. Hope you and the deputy are doing okay 🙏
If we ever had to actually use a gun to defend ourselves, we would probably be better off if we found one gun that we shoot well and is light enough to carry and stick with it all the time. Then, when it came time to use it, we might hit where we were aiming and not forget that the gun we carried that day had a safety. But I'm like you almost always willing to try something new.
I agree... I hope it really takes off...need a few more manufacturers to chamber it in their handguns/ carbines...a true straight wall cartridge is a bit easier to reload vs. the tapered 9mm ... components should be a little cheaper considering on average there's 20% less material in the projectiles...
What I have been looking for is a bull pup .308 bolt gun with a box mag and 18 inch barrel. Small, portable package, but fun and accurate for some what long range. But it seems like it dosent exist.....
I think the 30SC is interesting in full sized pistols with longer barrels. Will we ever get a chance to test that interest? I am doubtful. Everyone says it is dying, but I wonder what the ammo sales numbers tell.
You mentioned a carbine being a good application. If you want a new project, how about a 16” double rifle with minimally-thin barrels? O/U or SxS, your choice. A 10” pistol version of same or a pepper box would be neat, too.
Mark, it makes me so happy to hear about your 5.7 idea. I too had the idea to chop a 5.7 case at the neck and use a 25acp bullet. Alas, I don’t have the means to make it happen. If you do get that project running I’d love to see the product!
I'm a big fan of 30 Super Carry, but being worried that it won't be around long I bought a case of Blazer ammo, some dies and a stockpile of pulled 100gr FMJ and JHP. I do hope Glock adopts it, which would make it easier to build an AR-15 chambered for it that has magazines available. I also have a Winchester 1892 chambered in .25-20 that a serial number decoder said was from 1893/1894. I have a complete box of Remington ammo from the 1950's. I inherited it from my grandfather, who acquired it in trade for a load of hay. It is the only gun I own that I have never fired and likely never will.
No banner yet! Hey, I carry .327 because an LCR rides nicely in a pocket holster and a competent six-shooter in that role feels good. Practicing on everything from varmints to overripe melons, 85-100 grains at 1250fps certainly seems competent. HP expansion is excellent. So I'm at least interested in .30 SC.
The longer brass isn't to increase propellant capacity. It's so that if you load it into a gun chambered for the similar diameter but less powerful round (for instance, a 10mm round in a .40 cal pistol), the gun won't go all the way into battery and thus won't fire. It's a technique that has been in practice since the early days of semi-auto pistols.
Regarding the "high" operating pressure, I've read that headspacing the case off the mouth and high pressure were to be avoided. Any thoughts on why, and why that's not an issue with 30 Super?
Something like a caliber converted Ruger LC9 design could maybe work, Ruger LC30 perhaps. It wouldn't maybe be a fully straight single stack, but with the 9mm frame width and smaller 7.62mm cartridge that might help give you an extra round, and you'd still have a pretty light and slim little pistol.
From watching your video the cartridge need a longer barrel to get a better effect from the powder as it was throwing a great muzzle blast from each shot! I'll stick with my 380's loaded with Winchester Silver tips or Federal Hydra- Shacks and an extra mag in my pocket to get me back to my vehicle.
The only thing stopping me from getting a .30 super carry pistol is the lack of carry options. I do not like the S&W Shield, and Glock seems to be sleeping on this round
The shield plus is on sale for the 30 super carry on Grab a Gun for $299. Just got a promotional email today, which is why I'm here looking at the review. I am not really familiar with 30 super carry.
That's exactly how I ended up getting a 30SC - I saw that $299 deal and thought "why not?". I've only taken it to the range once, but it is really a great shooter, and I will likely make it my carry pistol once I have shot it more.
I love me Shield Plus 30SC! I think in order for 30SC to truly gain some traction they need to release pistols that are strictly chambered in 30sc. So far I love mine and it's extremely reliable. Not much noticeable difference in recoil compared to 9mm but much more ammo capacity.
30 super ammo is found in your local gun shop next to the .45 GAP rounds and the .41 action express ammo.
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The way of the dodo
And unfortunately next to the 429DE
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Who’s dumb enough to shop ammo at your local gun stores anyway? Buy that shit online like you’re supposed to do. If you shop online, you’ll notice that 30sc HST rounds cost about the same as 9mm HST, but it’s less expensive than HST rounds in 380, 40, 357sig, 45, and 10mm.
30sct HST rounds will do exactly what 9mm HST does, except in a 30sc gun, you’ll have at least more rounds to kill the bad guy with.
.32 French Long reinvented
...with double the pressure, yes.
Ian loved it
Definitely more powerful and also slightly different
@@quiettime6871 that's what "reinvented" means
Which is just .30 Pedersen.
lol, buying a machinegun that shoots .303 British is a bigger flex than a Ferrari or a Rolex could ever be. What better way to say "LOOK AT ME, I HATE MONEY"
No joke.
Hahaha 🤑
And whats wrong with a Bren Gun or Lewis in 303 British? Both made hella fun pig rigs back when my country didnt suck..
Prices do drop when people actually buy a cartridge .
@@HebrewHammerArmsCo The only issue that I have with .303 is the price, but it could absolutely be worse; I priced 7.35 Carcano awhile back and it helped put things into perspective lol
I have a Steyr-Mannlicher 1905 pistol that shoots 7.65 mannlicher, which is only available from one source for 7+ dollars per round. So I did some research and got a loading die set from CH tool and die, and they recommended using 30 super carry cases and resizing them for 7.65 mannlicher. So that’s neat, and saves me a little money lol.
Ian McCollum: *happy noises
COOCOO 4 COCO PUDFFSSS😂
Until a pistol is designed from the ground up for .30 SC instead of just being a converted 9, a lot of potential is left unrealized in my opinion.
I think an untapped advantage of .30 SC is in enabling double stack, dual feed handgun magazines, similar to that of the Five Seven. The lack of taper would make loading easier, make the magazine simpler to build and arguably more reliable, and add 1 to 2 more rounds over a double stack single feed mag.
Making such a magazine out of steel would probably allow it to be thinner than a Glock 43 mag, enabling the design of a very slim high capacity pistol. Think P365XL but narrower and with 15 or 16 rounds instead of 12. The higher pressure and smaller bore diameter of .30 SC would also make compensators more effective for those who want to go that route
Very well said. Im looking forward to somebody hopefully soon making something ground up for the round.
Agreed. Much of the point is lost in a 9mm chassis.
Perfectly put.
i’d like to see a 365 or shield plus designed for it. if Glock made a series entirely based on the round that would be ideal. something like the 48 or 43
I agree with the potential of the cartridge, and I bought one right after it came out, but then I traded it back in again. The round is fine but having a whopping 2 guns that shoot it, one single stack and one subcompact, really takes my enthusiasm away. It's begging for a double stack possibly double feed full sized pistol, and I'd love a nice PCC/PDW style weapon to go along with it. I don't think it's meant to be though, unfortunately, it'll die on the vine similarly to my dreams of a modern and available double stack 7.62x25 handgun.
327 Federal Magnum if you’re ever looking for a Revolver that shoots everything from low recoil 32 S&W Long or Short, 32 H&R Magnum and they even chamber 32 ACP since it’s a semi rimmed case!
Oh yeah a ruger SP101 .327 fedmag and a SIG P365XL macro .30 SC.
@@jessesimmons4503 All Day Every Day
@@jessesimmons4503 They already make the SP101 in .327, but they also make the LCR which weighs 10oz less. Additionally S&W now makes a 3" 6 shot J-Frame and Taurus (their quality has skyrocketed in the past couple years) makes a 3" that is cut for a micro red dot so there's no reason to carry something that weighs as much as a G19. That said I very much want to see someone make .30SC conversion kits for the 365 series especially the XL since that is the best blend of shootability/concealablity in my opinion.
327 magnum is very interesting to me. I would love a 3 inch small frame chambered in it.
And a revolver event had an option to switch between that and .30 SC, or to also chamber the latter with moon clips.
Magnum rounds in short barrels defeat the purpose of it. Like 7" 556 guns.
Magnum rounds in short barrels defeat the purpose of Magnum rounds.
@@jacksonnra1856like 7" 556 guns
@@jacksonnra1856 - my snubby 357 hits higher velocities than 38 special every single time.
Hey bud. I'm a big fan of 7.62×25. Around 1600 fps with a 85 grain projectile. Will usually defeat level 3a soft body armor. Just a suggestion. Love the channel.
I bought the 16 inch AR 15 barrel from KAK Industries in 30 Luger then I am shooting Racoons with it.
Those PPU 309" 86 grain bullets put the instant stop to Coons and sends their guts out the other side.
I shot the same 30 luger load at a 4x6 with the 86 grain bullet did a pass through that never expected that to happen.
I think the Hornaday 309" 90 grain bullet from the 30 Luger shot from the AR 15 would mess up an attacker badly.
And the handguns design around that cartridge are simple & stone reliable!
@@xxxxxxxxxx6903they also have the ergonomic properties of a brick... they do work though.
Where'n the hell you getting 9mm for 15 cents a round, let me in on the secret
Hell yah, I'm lucky to find it at .30.34 cents a round 😲
@@LAT-qk3vj Yeah that's where I'm at here in Oregon, I'd love a box for 7-8$ haha.
Directly from factory as he had all the paperwork and he is gun manufacturer?
Probably buying pallets at a time direct from manufacturer or distributor.
I reload 9mm for $0.14/rd but that's with cast lead Hi-tek coated bullets, the cheapest I can do FMJ is $0.22/rd...
A double stack hot-rod .25 ACP would be very neat.
Maybe get some of the Buffalo Bore hard cast .25 as a baseline, that stuff is no joke!
I’d be concerned about a lot of the cheapo 25 acp pistols with higher power ammo
Edit: that said, I think a double stack improved 25 ACP would be neat
Problematic since 25 acp is semi-rimmed.
@@flightlesschicken7769ya i wouldnt trust many
"I think it would make a great little carbine round too"
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I’m happy to see you picking up .30 Super Carry. I’d like it to stay in production. Hopefully you are designing something.
.32 NAA, or .25 NAA, would have been an interesting route too! And if you haven't heard of those, definitely suggest looking into them. Wish the cartridges had both caught more wind/developed further
We're living Orwells prophecy..
Hmmmm…??!!
We are living in the prophecy of Revaluations
@@travisbell9014 Revelations is apocryphal
@@papayayaya5049 I think he means revaluations...
Revaluations or revelations? Both are 🐂💩. No one knows what will become except “it has all happened before and it will happen again.”
I think 30 super carry is such an interesting cartridge and I really wish Sig would make a P365 in it. I think if Sig did that 30 super carry would become a big player in the conceal carry market. Or at least a bigger player. And the hate for 30 super carry is something that I find super odd, why wouldn't you want more rounds for about the same power? It's the whole reason why people don't carry the 45. 9mm is smaller, lighter, and generally doesn't put as much force down range, and definitely doesn't has the energy transfer like 45 does at the same foot pounds of energy.
Having a P365 Macro with a +20 rounds of 30 super carry would be really cool. And I think that's where the 30 super carry could have a real following.
Speaking of lighter recoiling rounds, I'd love to find a company who could turn me out a 22 TCM barrel for a P365, I'd be limited to the 22 TCM 9R bullets, but throwing a 39gr pill down range at about 2000fps would be really cool. Plus, 22 TCM is as cheap as 9mm (when you buy from the manufacturer online anyway.) One can dream. One can dream.
People who carry 9mm hate .30 super carry for the same reason people who carry .45 hate 9mm, which is also the same reason people who carry 9mm hate 45 AARP.
It's a normal function of the human mind, although it has dubious merit.
Now I *HATE* .30 super carry because they called it .30 super carry. Call it Super 30 or 30 Super like .38 Super, carry just kills the punch in the name.
So what does 30SC do better than 357Sig?
@@xxxxxxxxxx6903Mag capacity. Maybe grip thickness and recoil (but recoil is just a reflection of energy and mass, so "you get what you pay for" in a sense).
Though, the size difference isn't extreme enough to ALWAYS gain additional rounds in the mag or swell the grip.
@@xxxxxxxxxx6903 .357 SIG is 10mm Auto necked down and shortened so you get even less capacity than 9mm Luger with more recoil. .30SC gives you more capacity than 9mm with less recoil while still penetrating to FBI minimum depth with decent sized permanent wound cavities.
@@jacobadams7440 - While I see you point, there are factory loads of 357Sig loaded to 1900+Ft/Sec! And even hotter hand loads. Within typical handgun engagement distances, it's single shot incapacitation rating is right there with 357Mag. Not sure if 30SC real world performance can match that data?
Woah, wild... I was JUST looking for more info on .30 SC, and you JUST posted this 28 minutes ago. Wavelength~~~
We've been getting a lot of orders for 30SC PD10s at Avidity Arms....
Care to give us an actual quantity ??🤔
If you ever get around to bringing out that smaller Avidity pistol you once mentioned, then that could be a better match for 30 SC.
Over a year ago I bought a M&P EZ in .30 Super Carry. At the same time, Scheel's also ran the ammo on sale for $13.99 for a box of 50 Federal FMJ, and the 20-rd boxes of HP's for $11.99. I bought 500 of each. It's a nice carry gun, fits 10 in the mag instead of 8 rds that the 9mm offered. Definitely has a "different" recoil impulse with those spicy higher chamber pressures, but I like it. Variety is the spice of life.
I really like my Shield in .30 SC. It holds 16, and is still fairly compact.
Outstanding video. Also thank you for this one. I have looked at the 30 super carry and just reading about it. I was not impressed by it. With you Mark, I do not know you, yet I respect your input greatly. Based on the fact that you are not trying to impress anyone at all. You are as far as I know. Honest with everything you show on your videos. To me that means a lot. So, again thank you Sir.
Out of curiousity, what left you unimpressed with 30 SC?
Mark I was wondering if you were going to mention the FN 5/Seven . It’s a nice gun but it is pretty large for edc, at least here in Libtard MA . We cannot carry more than 10rnds😵💫😵💫🤮 I’m glad you talked about the 30 super carry I have been wanting to retire my Sig p238 380apc I have been carrying for 12yrs now, I’m 64yrs old & like you in my 30+yrs of caring I never had to use my weapon.
I can't wait to see the carbine version you will inevitably build!
Cut down 5seven makes more sense in a pistol than the full round where the muzzle flash from the FN pistol looks like a tactical nuke exploding.
I suppose you could try to swage or roll(?) a new neck on the cut down cartridge and reuse the original projectile.
IMHO .30 super carry is too loud, especially out of short barrels. Maybe a fuddish take but I'm worried about disorienting myself (more than something like a 9mm would) if I'm having to shoot it in an enclosed space, at night, without earpro, ECT. Just a gut feeling I have that makes me hesitant to embrace the caliber.
That is a very good point!
For me, it seems that the 30 SC is more suitable as a submachine gun round or as a carbine rifle round than in pistols. It is more efficient in longer barrels .
@@PassivePortfoliosthat’s every caliber though…🤷♂️
If that’s a concern, you could still get a lot out of .30 SC type round by reducing powder charge and shortening it a bit.
I bet you could use something like that to make a small, light, pocket pistol. And with such a small, light round, you could easily make it a simple blowback than a more complicated locked breech design.
Man, if only the greatest firearms inventor John Moses Browning came up with it. I bet they would have called it 7.65mm Browning, or .32 ACP.
@@classifiedad1 - the industry should have made a rimless 32 ACP with a slightly longer case for use in double column pocket pistols. Maybe using a heavier bullet. It would have had a better chance of catching on.
If you like 30SC better buy enough ammo to last you a while. That round was dying at the time they released it.
Unfortunately you are correct I think
Places around me are well stocked on 30SC, mainly because it doesn't move whatsoever
The largest LG around me just blew out a whole bunch of their .30 SC ammo because they weren’t able to sell it.
Thanks to the superpressure, that makes it mandatory to use a breechlock action, it will always be a second choice for pistols made in 9mm.
Yea yea yea, 5.7 was 'dead' too...
I like the 30 super. Got it really cheap last year. I think it was 249 and a 50 rebate. Ammo cost wasn't too bad either for a newer round
I sorta went the other way. Looking at something that can be used in both a longarm and a pistol without compromising too much either way. Built a 7.5 FK AR and it seems to fit the bill. Now i just have to work out the bugs
Okay you, sir have my attention.
Broke back mountain in the end cracked me up! 😂🤣😂🤣😂
This makes me want to hit the gun range today. That's called going outside for me. I live on a ranch in Texas. I have a patch on a hat that says "Aim for the face" instead of the North Face...
Is it a cut down .30 carbine case? It might be a great cartridge for both humans and medium size critters with good projectiles. A lightweight high capacity gun good for hiking and camping or work out in the field.
I carried a first gen Keltec P32 for years. I would like to get another one. My daughter carries it now. The only downside I ever seen to a 32acp was the occasional rim lock in the magazine. 30 super carry seems like a great submachine gun caliber. Maybe a great derringer round. Maybe a GB22 turned into a GB30 super carry. I haven't looked at the pressures of it, so maybe it's not the best blow back caliber? But the GB30SC could have a bolt that locks closed.
Well thanks Mark!
As always, you have reinforced your position as the Brokeback Mountain of Firearms!
Well said sir 🎉
Mark Serbu: certified face-shooter.
I wouldn't mind a Kahr PM9 sized pocket pistol in .30 Super Carry.
I saw a bar graph the other day where they were showing the percentage of one shot stops. The .32 ACP was slightly above the 9mm and the .45 ACP.
Maybe because the folks carrying 32 ACP don’t practice Mozambique drills?
Yea, but a few big caveats to that data set:
1) The .32 had the smallest or 2nd smallest sample size behind .44 Mag. (1 more person shot, but fewer hits).
2) It had the highest percentage of people who were never incapacitated.
3) It had the lowest percentage of hits that were fatal.
That graph has a shit sample size meaning there's a lot of luck involved for some rounds
I like your 9/30 45/10 comparison! I have never shot this caliber, but it does seem intriguing. Hope it catches on!
I like mine. It has similar performance to 9mm, the mags hold three more rounds than 9mm, is close to the same price, and has about the same about of recoil (at least for me I can’t really tell the difference). The only problem is that the options for ammo types and firearms in .30 SC are kind of limited compared to 9mm.
Good review, I agree that most folks carry the lightest handgun for concealed carry. I carry the same Sig as you but only during colder months that is easier to conceal. All other times I carry the Ruger LCP Max .380 with 12 round mag. I never leave home without it 😊Cheers
32 cal was a Gentleman's vest gun
Can Serbu make a dual barrel 30sc?
How different is it from VBR-Belgium’s 7.92×24mm ammo from the early 2000s? It was based on a cut down .30 carbine cut down to 9mm OAL.
Wow, I hadn’t heard of this cartridge until now. I’m sad it never took off
@@flightlesschicken7769 it was designed for the NATO call for a new pistol/PDW cartridge. Only 5.7 took off in any capacity.
@@ScottyAlmondjoy Shame, I would love it if 30 Carbine lived on in some modern capacity. Plus, from what I am seeing online, it had superior ballistics to 5.7
Imagine something about the size of a Glock 19 or Glock 48 with a 20 round double stack double feed position magazine.
I was very interested in 30SC when it first came out but it never really caught on.
30 Super Carry was developed at just about the worst time to release a new cartridge, when 9mm, .223, 5.56, and .308 were in short supply, and it only got released for, (if i recall correctly), two models of S&W Shield and a Nighthawk Custom. I'm not sure if anyone else has made one by now.
That's still all unfortunately. Plus the Hi-Point 30SC carbine for what that's worth. I hope we begin to see some handgun models actually designed for 30SC, but since adoption has been so slow, we may never see that happen.
@@emathieu504 crying shame. If they'd come up with this 10 years ago.
I have three, the S&W Shield, Shield Plus and Hi-Point 3095 Carbine, both of the Shields are mine and my wife's current carry. The carbine is a kick in the ass fun gun to shoot, brass retention is challenging with all of them. They reload fine, they are accurate and I trust my life with them. I'm also on the .32 fetish, I recently acquired a Ruger SP 101 in 327 Federal Magnum, definitely a little spicier, if I could just get my hands on a Henry Big Boy Steel Rifle in 327 Federal, my quest would be over. Just as a little background info, I have a diverse selection to draw from, the pipsqueaks to the reasonable big ones, after all the First Rule of Gun Nuts, 1. You can NEVER have too many !!!!! Update: I also need to include my BSA 310 Cadet, fun little single shot, shoots a 0.321 diameter bullet !!!
KAK Industries has AR 15 barrels in 30 Luger so I got one in 16 inch and now assonating Racoons with it using a FoxPro caller.
What a smoken great 30 cal cartridge it is and totally wastes them, Coons.
Reloading supplies for the 30 Luger are really easy to get also.
Bar Sto barrels I found has Browning Hi power 30 luger barrels and some for other pistols.
The 32 H&R should have caught on. Same energy as standard pressure 38 Special with 20% higher capacity in snubbie revolvers. It is having a bit if a resurgence lately though since the 327 mag was introduced. It is easier to shoot in those revolvers.
The right amount of guns to have is always n+1, n being the number you currently own.
@@Tunkkis My own problem is I own to many guns so when going hunting which one or 2 or 3 guns do I take ?
I am collecting 32s also. I didn't know about the Hi-Point. I'll have to check that out.
I was gonna suggest the 327 Federal Magnum but again with the rim. On the other hand there are guns that feed 357 from a magazine so it's not /that/ insane. Maybe only 30-35% bonkers.
Yeah it's handy to have multiple guns using one cartridge but like you said I'm not supplying an army so having a couple extra boxes in my ammo closet isn't a big deal. Makes range day lighter though, stuff my 357 revolver and my 357 lever gun in the trunk with one can of 357 ammo and I'm done. Probably not as helpful as it'd be to have the right round for the right job though.
327fed is REALLY underrated, and quite amazing handloaded from a 6" for things other than SD....
You got me interested in your 5.7 project. I've been interested in something akin to a 25 magnum cartridge but nothing like that exists. Something designed for a hand gun but would be fun to have in a rifle too.
Yes but its not new look for 7mm penna
@@Gieszkanne 27cal, but I'll take it lol. Ill look into it. thanks!
The concept of cutting a 5.8x28mm case at the bottle neck was explored in the early 2000's with the 7mm Penna. A few pistols were made in that caliber but there is hardly any information about the real world performance of the round.
You mentioned .25 cal……I’ve dabbled in gunsmithery and have made some nice stuff, but I was always pondering something like .25 magnum? Stuff more powder in?? Just to build a super lightweight carry pistol. I carry a Smith and Wesson featherweight .38, and I wish sometimes, I had something even lighter. Food for thought.
Take care!
What about a 25 prodgy in a hornet shell for a 25 mag or a 25 in a 30 carbine shell for super wizz bangery sorry if I got you all thinking but both of these are 70 odd years old check out 25 hornet or 257 spitfire
Yea i remember the coof years and trying to find 45 ACP thats why i started buying the components and making my own.
I know the 7.62x25 is a pretty long cartridge but i think that thing is pretty neat too nonetheless. Also I luckily did read 1984 along with a few other dystopian novels for my english class (im dutch).
Wish someone would make a modern pistol in 762x25
7.62 Tok kicks ass👌🏼
@@djagrarms7916 shot one today
CZ52 was really impressive with the roller locked breech, kicks like a .357 magnum, and loud as hell. 😅
@@billfoster213 CZ52 is a really cool pistol
Years ago I invented another class of pistol. The "Dress up gun". Small, very light weight and pocket carry. It is good for social occasions and lounging around the house. It was a .380 ACP but I always wanted one in 9mm, but a 9mm gun was much bigger for some reason. 30 super carry could be the solution. Thanks Mark!
My Walther ppk .380 is my "formal" gun
Unfortunately the .30 Super carry guns are all the size of 9mm guns.
It's already been done, Walther PPK or the Colt model 03 if you're a Fudd like me. 😅
@@Sparks00psnThe only advantage is 2 more rounds.
@@billfoster213I have been looking for a 9mm gun with 10 rounds and small like a mini Glock but thin.
I carry a 327 Fed Mag most of the time. If they'd come out with a CZ P07 ish sized DA/SA pistol, I'd like to try one out.
Personally i really want to try the "relatively new" and spicy 7.5FK BRNO (7.5mm) round
Mark was late to hear about 30 Super Carry because he's productively engaged in the shop making stuff instead of haunting gunny UA-cam and gun forums.
The S&W doesn't do anything for me. I'll wait for Springfield to make a 30 Super Carry with GRIP ZONE on the grip so I know where to hold it.
Another caliber isn't a negative. It's an excuse to reload another cartridge! Bonus if I can cast lead bullets and powder coat them.
11:20 - Speaking of reloading, wildcatting the 5.7 into a straight wall high pressure 7mm would be fairly awesome. I don't have a 5.7 because it's a pain to reload and tends to get neck splits after a couple of reloadings.
I will be making the move into the 5.7x28 FN ecosystem from the 9x19. The reference threat scenario needs more effective range and higher mag capacity over concealment or weight.
You might want to look into .22 TCM. It's like FN's 5,7×28 mm, but less r-tаrdеd.
how about Hit the gym , Get a 10mm big boy gun and learn to shoot
Ecosystem? Guns aren’t terrariums.
@@Hornet135Guns use ammunition, they use magazines, barrels, suppressors and other things that need to fit the caliber you are shooting.
@@Tunkkis.22 TCM - very limited availability, only one manufacturer (both gun and ammunition). 5.7 is already much more popular and only getting more popular by the day.
Doesn't look different enough to warrant the investment over the 9mm (ref: Ammo Depot article)... I'm not sure if it makes sense for another snappy round in a compact gun. That's why I blew off the .40 and 10mm my handgun option. It took too long to get back on target. I like the 5.7 as it does something significantly different in a handgun. I'd be interested in your 7mm effort. I'd like to see more options in the 10 round micro carry that have more reliability than a .22.
The S&W looks like a toddler that dressed itself but they function great.
I'd really like to see how this cartridge performs in a PCC.
30 Super Carry MAT-49 AR custom build when? 🤔
@@durkhurker6268or better yet, MAS-38.
Keltec or hipoint or someone in that teir make one. Can't remember who. I live in south Africa. We don't get that brand here. Gun jesus reviewed it about a year ago I think.
Edit
It's hipoint. ua-cam.com/video/Jm4fcDGbbRI/v-deo.htmlsi=nb0MEu_97e7d5Xiu
I think 300 black makes that pointless. You can have a locked bolt gas-operated PCC which is smoother and substantially more powerful.
@@GunFunZS I would think that the smaller 30 super carry cartridge and the ability to carry more rounds verses 300 would be relevant. Especially in regards to a sub gun. 300 blk is an intermediate round and twice the size and weight of the 30 super.
that 303 brit 1895 is hot, need a video on just that
You got a lead on that $0.18/rd 9mm? Lowest I can find online is $0.26/rd and that's bulk Magtech steel case. I haven't seen under $13 a box locally since 2018.
Heck, put it in the title Mark. "30 super covid" 😂
idk how many people carry an extra mag for their daily carry pistol, so having an extra 2 rounds sounds like a great deal if no ballistic performance is lost, but did you get good ,consistent performance from the ammo?
If your gun holds 15 rounds you'll probably never need to reload it if you actually had to draw and shoot, but a lot of people like that added little bit of peace of mind, and just one reload in itself isn't very obtrusive.
Love your videos!! What bullet trap do you use in your shop ?
I really like my first generation S&W Shield 9mm, it makes a great front pocket carry gun, reliable and shoots well. I liked it so much I bought a Shield Plus 9mm. But the magazine catch/release is slightly different, causing my thumb to inadvertently press the magazine catch which of course causes failures. I need to change to a thumbs up grip or install a different magazine catch. I considered the 30 Super Carry, and like it's ballistics as compared to 9mm but decided not to add another caliber.
That misses the boat, I would have expected it to be optimized for a little pocket carry.
It makes me wonder what kind of wild thing Keltec would make from this.
I've got an old French Model 1935A that is essentially a 30 SC pistol.
30 Paterson, 32 French long, 30 Supper carry....
Better than 32ACP, but will they make an attacker take floor temperature challenge?
If you hit vitals like nerves, spine, smooth brain, etc... absolutely.
There's a pretty infamous case where an officer got in a gunfight with a cartel member and the guy took 13 rounds of .45acp JHP to the body, 6 of which were considered "lethal hits" to lungs and heart area, but it took another 3 to the guys face to end the fight... Totaling 17 rounds of 200+ grain 45acp to stop the firefight.
He now carries over 140 rounds of 9mm... Just in case.
Like everything else, depends on where you hit them.
My dad new a guy in college who got shot trying to break up a bar fight. It was with a 22lr snubnose revolver. The bullet nicked his aorta and the dude bleed out before the ambulance got there. Shot placement is important.
@@RichardCranium321 one of our local duputies emptied his service weapon into a meth head. He got all K zone hits. The man scuffed with deputy for empty weapon before two additional officers could subdue him. I was in ER for unrelated condition got good chat with classmates from HS, both deputy and monster who recognized me. The bullets didn't expand and meth man lived for another half year, the drugs got him not the bullets. I'm warry of bullets and calibers that haven't been proven
@@christinepearson5788Yup. You're not wrong to feel that way. We're being sold snake oil, it seems.
Look at Paul Harrells tests with 10mm Auto, certain manufacturers were underloading the rounds. Always run your carry ammo through a chrony. 👍
Ps. Hope you and the deputy are doing okay 🙏
If we ever had to actually use a gun to defend ourselves, we would probably be better off if we found one gun that we shoot well and is light enough to carry and stick with it all the time. Then, when it came time to use it, we might hit where we were aiming and not forget that the gun we carried that day had a safety. But I'm like you almost always willing to try something new.
I agree... I hope it really takes off...need a few more manufacturers to chamber it in their handguns/ carbines...a true straight wall cartridge is a bit easier to reload vs. the tapered 9mm ... components should be a little cheaper considering on average there's 20% less material in the projectiles...
I've been thinking about a .25 magnum for pocket concealed carry for a while now! Would love to see you do it!
Look up .25NAA . It's a .32acp case that's bottlenecked to accept a 25acp bullet. They make a 32naa also using a .380 casing
@@Swishersweetcigarilo...and they're both silly.
@@Swishersweetcigarilo Yeah, but that would take up the same space as any other 32 case cartridge, and you wouldn't get any capacity benefit.
Love the thought of hot rodding the 25. Budget is kinda a problem on 1100/month though. I am now salivating over the 30SC.
What I have been looking for is a bull pup .308 bolt gun with a box mag and 18 inch barrel. Small, portable package, but fun and accurate for some what long range.
But it seems like it dosent exist.....
I like pizza.
Something interesting about the 30SC is how it compares to the Notorious 7.62 Tokarev. I am taking sectional density and penetration here.
7.62 Tok is a pretty spicy round.
@@jimmyrustler8983 it turns out 39SC us a bit spicier. Lol
I think the 30SC is interesting in full sized pistols with longer barrels.
Will we ever get a chance to test that interest? I am doubtful.
Everyone says it is dying, but I wonder what the ammo sales numbers tell.
A conversion barrel for a Glock 17 or 34 would be nice. But you would also need special mags.
You mentioned a carbine being a good application. If you want a new project, how about a 16” double rifle with minimally-thin barrels? O/U or SxS, your choice. A 10” pistol version of same or a pepper box would be neat, too.
Mark, it makes me so happy to hear about your 5.7 idea. I too had the idea to chop a 5.7 case at the neck and use a 25acp bullet. Alas, I don’t have the means to make it happen. If you do get that project running I’d love to see the product!
What about 380 ACP? I'd think that's between 32 and 9mm?
What did you think of .327? I’ve always been a big fan
I'm a big fan of 30 Super Carry, but being worried that it won't be around long I bought a case of Blazer ammo, some dies and a stockpile of pulled 100gr FMJ and JHP. I do hope Glock adopts it, which would make it easier to build an AR-15 chambered for it that has magazines available.
I also have a Winchester 1892 chambered in .25-20 that a serial number decoder said was from 1893/1894. I have a complete box of Remington ammo from the 1950's. I inherited it from my grandfather, who acquired it in trade for a load of hay. It is the only gun I own that I have never fired and likely never will.
No banner yet! Hey, I carry .327 because an LCR rides nicely in a pocket holster and a competent six-shooter in that role feels good. Practicing on everything from varmints to overripe melons, 85-100 grains at 1250fps certainly seems competent. HP expansion is excellent. So I'm at least interested in .30 SC.
The longer brass isn't to increase propellant capacity. It's so that if you load it into a gun chambered for the similar diameter but less powerful round (for instance, a 10mm round in a .40 cal pistol), the gun won't go all the way into battery and thus won't fire.
It's a technique that has been in practice since the early days of semi-auto pistols.
I love your channel. I've been giving the 30 super carry a hard look and I'm very intrigued.
Japanese had a 7mm pistol round, you could probably find FMJ in 7mm made for reloading it.
Depends on if anyone is making projectiles in that size, which they probably aren't for 7mm Nambu by this point.
There is also the 7mm penna
Well 327 magnum is available as an option for a snubnosed revolver. You can fire 32 short, 32 long, 32 acp, .32 H&R, and .327 magnum.
"Tell your mom you got shot in the face with a .25" 😂
Ingenious solution to a non existent problem.
Getting more ammo capacity for equivalent performance has _never_ been a non-existent problem.
2:23 If I'm not mistaken, .416 Barrett shares the same relationship with .50 BMG as .243 Winchester does with 30-06
Regarding the "high" operating pressure, I've read that headspacing the case off the mouth and high pressure were to be avoided. Any thoughts on why, and why that's not an issue with 30 Super?
I have not seen one in the wild. I do carry a 25 though. So I am not opposed to it.
I've got a .311 stub from a 7.62x39 project I did a while back now I want to machine it into a sig p365 barrel and make the first 30sc p365
That'd be cool.
The real question is will it fit old Sten and Lancaster magazines. Like the old Sten mags that once sold for 5 bucks a piece.
@garywheeler7039 Nah. Too small in diameter.
@@markserbu : well maybe it will be a little like double stack .Give a place for the dirt to go and fall out. lol
I want one the width of a ruger lcp. Nice single stack.
Something like a caliber converted Ruger LC9 design could maybe work, Ruger LC30 perhaps. It wouldn't maybe be a fully straight single stack, but with the 9mm frame width and smaller 7.62mm cartridge that might help give you an extra round, and you'd still have a pretty light and slim little pistol.
From watching your video the cartridge need a longer barrel to get a better effect from the powder as it was throwing a great muzzle blast from each shot! I'll stick with my 380's loaded with Winchester Silver tips or Federal Hydra- Shacks and an extra mag in my pocket to get me back to my vehicle.
Damn. I remember buying bandoleers of stripped .303 British at CAL expo for $80/1000
How would your 7mm work with spitzers? For carbine use.
The only thing stopping me from getting a .30 super carry pistol is the lack of carry options. I do not like the S&W Shield, and Glock seems to be sleeping on this round
The shield plus is on sale for the 30 super carry on Grab a Gun for $299. Just got a promotional email today, which is why I'm here looking at the review. I am not really familiar with 30 super carry.
That's exactly how I ended up getting a 30SC - I saw that $299 deal and thought "why not?". I've only taken it to the range once, but it is really a great shooter, and I will likely make it my carry pistol once I have shot it more.
@@emathieu504 I just got a canik mete mc9 , so I doubt I'll buy it but it's tempting for that price. Lol
Where the hell are we getting 9mm for 18c?
Mark, what about necking down the cut 5.7 brass, to .25 caliber? Unless you're completely set on keeping it straight walled
Ian McCollum welcomes you.
I love me Shield Plus 30SC! I think in order for 30SC to truly gain some traction they need to release pistols that are strictly chambered in 30sc.
So far I love mine and it's extremely reliable. Not much noticeable difference in recoil compared to 9mm but much more ammo capacity.