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If I were Ivey I wouldn’t change my game. He’s already the goat. Who knows if solvers pollute his natural reading ability with percentages and math that take away from his already amazing gift of poker skills
Yea but it also might help him undertstand certain players typically better players and why they did what they did. or him at the least have a deeper understanding. He’s the goat but hasnt been seen playing too many high rollers publicly. Not saying he doesn’t play all the time but maybe him doing solvers might give tht confidence boost on playing in front of a camera more often while at the end/middle of his career bc now he feels complete knowing about solvers unlike before. My bad for long read
Doyle Brunson talked about the old days of cheats and games being held up... he saw a dude get blasted by another man with a shotgun if memory serves right. Then others getting dealt with and put in a hole in the desert. Crazy.
Dude, even in modern times. Multiple clubs I've played at has had people rushing in with masks and guns. Some even put "fines" on clubs. Luckily I was never present during them, but that's just completely fucked up.. These clubs weren't THAT underground. Shopping streets etc., but they just didn't give a f..
@ no. Phil Ivey did not cheat at baccarat. The casino agreed to his terms of play the dealers and the types of cards in play. The courts got that wrong. Ivey did not mark the cards. He just took advantage of imperfections. The casino didn’t have to agree to his terms of play, but they did because they wanted him to play.
@ It’s not the cards it’s that he colluded with the dealer to lift the cards at an angle so he could see the ones that are defective and that my friend is called a conspiracy that’s why he got convicted.
@ the casinos agreed to Ivey,s request for his dealers. He didn’t see the cards, he saw the backs of the cards and made use of edge sorts due to the imperfections of the cards. The casinos are in the gambling business and agreed to this. They didn’t have to agree. They should be responsible. The dealers didn’t do a false shuffle to alert Ivey the position of certain cards in the shoe. Had they done this, it would have been cheating. So no. There was no collusion here. Ivey played the game legally.
@@EVScape Is your name Tom, by any chance? I played on stars many years ago vs a guy from Australia that played both RS and poker. I get that you're not the only Ozzy playing poker and RS, but worth a shot! Haha
Ivey was playing cash during a WPT event once and someone came in to rob the cage. He was doing prop bets with Barry Greenstein, and his prop had hit that flop. While hiding under the table Phil looks over at Barry and says "hey you know im on for doubles next hand right?" 🤣🤣🤣
No. He actually said a lot. Y'all need to understand that the fundamental of sucess in poker rely on something else than just math theories. I am a winning player, and I also dont use these solvers. It's all about the read.
@@michaelvenne9386I’ve been a pro for over 10 years online & live . I still feel like I don’t know shit and Ivey knows so many poker secrets that I don’t. It’s frustrating but I wouldn’t want Ivey to ever reveal anything .
To all the goofies that don't understand, Ivey didnt cheat, he exploited the casino just like the casino does everyday. He asked for a set of conditions which the casino willfully agreed to because he was playing so high. The argument is apples to oranges, advantage play against a casino and cheating against other players at poker are worlds apart. Its silly to speak on subjects you have no knowledge in.
Gonna be honest this is a massive grey area and if anyone wants to be objective about it, it shouldn't be surprising that he lost the lawsuit. He was using edge sorting to gain a massive advantage. Sure casinos exploit others, but it doesn't mean its acceptable to try the reverse.
I dont think he should even touch solvers, it statistically ruined Negreanu in his heads up with Polk and years of WSOP. Choosing frequencies over if you think the opponent is weak only makes them worse
That’s interesting. Did he really get worse? I thought it was because he wasn’t able to keep up with the playing field hence why he did it…to get better. Meaning that without upgrading his game he wouldn’t have gotten to play Polk to begin with. Idk 🤷♂️
Wtf does “statistically ruined” even mean?? Negreanu was already a huge dog in a heads up match against Doug long before he started using solvers, NL cash hands passed him by almost 2 decades ago, he just wasn’t able to adapt his game quickly enough. You can see it even when he streams now, he’ll say “the solvers would tell you not to do this” and he’ll play a dumb trappy line that somebody would play in 2003 that is just ridiculously unbalanced, and guess what, it usually doesn’t work out!
@@davidoconnor1773 nah, at least he had winning years shown in his logs that has, since his solver learning its -1.1 in 2022 and -723k in 2023. he still uses that lame look at the clock call/fold solver bs
@ you mean the year end results he posts on his blog? For years those only covered tournaments (where he still probably has an edge) but Daniel has been a dog in big bet cash games for a very long time.
Poker is way more popular now. You have a million YT channels of poker pros showing how easy it is to become rich. And now there are so many free resources to learn poker. And you can play a million hands online. Throw that in to an economy with few real good jobs and people figure they'll gamble their way to prosperity. Kind of like how lottery picks up during a recession.
Am I the only one that finds it a bit hypocritical to go that hard on cheating then admit you called someone in an online game under false pretenses to get a read?? I'm not saying that's necisarily cheating but where do we draw the line?
What i like about Ivey is that he is a complete player. Most of the pros seem like they use certain strategies every single hand... Phil does that and then goes off intuition and feel. He has an uncanny sense of sniffing out BS.
Holy Diver You've been down too long in the midnight sea. Oh, what's becoming of me? Ride the tiger, you can see his stripes, but you know he's clean. Cue Phil Ivey, "Ya know what I mean?"
"I see what thier doing in different situations then I start to implement that into my strategy" Yes, I thought we all did this, "adjusting to your opponents"
So we’re not going to talk about the real reason Phil is hesitant to talk about cheaters and give his fans the “kill ‘em all” red meat? If you could be more honest I’m sure Phil would be the first to say cheating the house is one thing, but not other players.
I would like to point out in this "civil" day and age.We as poker players, 150 years ago would shoot each other over this game for cheating....just sayin
Solvers are standard now for any beginner to learn the game properly. It’s the fundamentals. Most semi pro and pro players use them now. A good way to think about it is this. GTO vs exploitative. Any player that has a skills advantage is playing exploitative poker. But when the sharks are all playing each other it’s simply easier to just play balanced GTO than partake in the psychological warfare of exploiting the leak, followed by an adjustment, followed by counter adjustment etc.
@ sure, I don’t see why not. Then again if he thinks that’s the aspect he has to “protect” he’s even more delusional lol. I think it’s more Phil’s brand to be an over the top cry baby who shames players for making better plays than him while dunking on others with his .3 second all in’s. Why be ashamed of solvers? It’s literally the game right now, from flop odds shown on screen to commentary. It’s the grammar or poker.
@@cheflev9884 I don't think it's shame, I think it's more that he doesn't want people to think he takes standard lines. He's got the image of someone who bluffs, but these days seems nittier
Solvers are for weak players who can't put in time and money into the game to learn how most older players learned.. playing gto is never definitive.. you can't possibly be calling/betting/raising/folding optimally.. You're basing it on % of hands.. and you can't know exactly when it is to fold/call/bet raise.. its hilarious how people who use solvers can't see how they all play the same now and that makes the game boring.. being called down by bingo players with random cards calling flops with nothing to hit runner runner.. its comical the lengths people go through to justify their bingo playing.. You're either ahead or behind.. no in-between..
@@jacksparrow3490 You sound confused. GTO is the fundamentals of poker. Period. It’s never about becoming like a computer that knows what to do every single time, nor is it about playing optimal all the time. It’s about getting close enough and learning all the different spots. Every single modern poker strategy you can think of from ranges based on position, to bet sizing based on position and hand strength, to how you play short stacked vs big stacked etc all come from GTO. Exploitative play comes from reads because you understand GTO. Villain 3 bets too much from the button…UTG limps in too much, player X folds too much on the turn with a pot sized bet etc. All of these exploits come from understanding GTO. Old heads had a vague understanding of most of there concepts but GTO made it concrete and learnable to much a faster extent. A poker coach, solver, and hand tracker can turn a nube into a semi pro in under a year of dedicated learning.
Depends what you consider cheating. He was just using knowledge and and observation to his advantage so I really don’t consider that cheating but a lot of people do
it was cheating because it was literally against the rules. Doug Polk has a video about it where it shows many clips of the announcers throughout the tournament saying someone along the lines of "no electronic devices near a table or inbetween hands or whatever" I dont remember it well, but it was clearly against the rules, but they allowed them to do it for some reason. Just spineless I think.
The dealers from one casino I play at go to the other reservation casino and play. These dealers I speak of all collude together at the table and text each other in game during hands.
Every cheating situation is different. Is the cheater still donating to the game because they're cheating edge is lower than their skill deficit? Do you have enough evidence to prove the cheating in a court of law and/or the court of public opinion? Might you gain more evidence if you don't immediately expose the cheater? Might you face vigilante justice for exposing the cheater? Do you like or dislike the people being cheated? Right or wrong, all these questions and more will likely inform the decisions people make. Poker (and life) decisions are nuanced and that includes how to respond when you think someone is cheating.
Ivey doesn't just play against the cards, but the people holding them. People who do math and solvers may still lack the edge against an Ivey or a Negreanu. (and will continue to own Hellmuth)
Came here to say this. Would really like to have gotten Ivey's thoughts without the host talking over him. It has to be a tremendous temptation to show Ivey how smart he is, but that's not the point of an interview.
Well, I've never heard of "solvers" maybe someone could explain it to me. Anyway, why didn't they ask him about the lawsuit that he lost against him several years ago? When the casino lost millions to him one night. He had a female coach, coaching him as he was playing a hand. I can't think of the name of the game. But, it was allowed at that time. He actually had many poker players come to his defense. Including my favorite, The poker kid.
As I understand it - the game was Baccarat they asked to play with a certain commercial deck of cards the cards were not uniform on the back they learned the value of many of the cards (if only high or low) and had them oriented to stay consistent in terms of "readability" they requested a uniform shuffle method so the sorting wasn't lost then he bet accordingly It was a form of cheating in my view but others say it was "allowed" Basically they told the casino - "let us give the dealer special instructions" The special instructions made the irregularity in the back of the card patterns exploitable
@@howard5992 Ivey never altered any equipment or took any illegal actions. The casino allowed themselves to be duped and then cried foul. Basically the exact reverse of their entire business model with regard to the public (i.e. slot machines, which are rigged in the house's favor, and you're just a sucker for playing so too bad if you lose all your money)
re: solvers - tldr computer programs run millions of simulations and find the statistically balanced play for every combination of cards, position and bet size. you can even input what you think your opponent's strategy is, and the computer will tell you the ideal counter-strategy. there may be a better strategy in actual practice, but the solver will tell you how to play theoretically perfect poker so that no matter what your opponent does, in the long run you will at least break even.
I'm sorry but there's no way I can agree. He just asked a casino to keep everything the same as he played baccarat. Nothing wrong with that because their error is their fault.
Yeah, that dude & his coach cheated, but they cheated fully out in the open.... so yeah. Im still amazed no one else at the final table called the floor to get a rulling.
He didnt cheat. He asked for certain bizarre conditions to play a game, the casino agreed thinking they would bilk millions out of him, but he turned the tables on them and won playing fair and square. They got butthurt and sued, and because the gaming commissions are in the casinos back pockets they won in court.
Iykyk Ivey don’t grind solvers… and he probably never will.. he is a Solver.. most humans cant play well enough to beat him as he is.. he’s a hustler not computer science nerd. No offense to the GTO nerds.. he’s old school poker savant
he didnt cheat, he made some requests from the casino, to which they agreed, so it really their fault. Just as clueless judge ruled against Ivey. Cant believe he lost the case...
6:12 I think, "As I'm sure many had thought he was opposed to"* or "To which I'm sure many had thought he was opposed". Minor, but eh. Being "opposed" is different from being "opposed to something"
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What an a55hole you are. Showing a picture of Robbi when talking about cheating in poker.
Really like the way you put this one together - GTO way to include more information/backstory on the topic
Nice to see ya posting again! Keep up the great work
@@jetliorigami thank you very much, it's good to be back on YT
If I were Ivey I wouldn’t change my game. He’s already the goat. Who knows if solvers pollute his natural reading ability with percentages and math that take away from his already amazing gift of poker skills
You'll like my next video based off this interview. It goes deep on this!
Yea but it also might help him undertstand certain players typically better players and why they did what they did. or him at the least have a deeper understanding. He’s the goat but hasnt been seen playing too many high rollers publicly. Not saying he doesn’t play all the time but maybe him doing solvers might give tht confidence boost on playing in front of a camera more often while at the end/middle of his career bc now he feels complete knowing about solvers unlike before. My bad for long read
Ivey has definitely changed his game over the years. He’s adaptive to beat the modern pros.
It will add on to his game not take away
Brother. Anyone that knows anything about poker knows hellmuth is better than ivy
Doyle Brunson talked about the old days of cheats and games being held up... he saw a dude get blasted by another man with a shotgun if memory serves right. Then others getting dealt with and put in a hole in the desert. Crazy.
Dude, even in modern times. Multiple clubs I've played at has had people rushing in with masks and guns. Some even put "fines" on clubs. Luckily I was never present during them, but that's just completely fucked up.. These clubs weren't THAT underground. Shopping streets etc., but they just didn't give a f..
I thought that was Hellmuth talking to Ivey on the thumbnail. Lol
Those who cheat should be barred from playing for life.
Ok start with Phill ivy for cheating in baccarat .
@ no. Phil Ivey did not cheat at baccarat. The casino agreed to his terms of play the dealers and the types of cards in play. The courts got that wrong. Ivey did not mark the cards. He just took advantage of imperfections. The casino didn’t have to agree to his terms of play, but they did because they wanted him to play.
@ It’s not the cards it’s that he colluded with the dealer to lift the cards at an angle so he could see the ones that are defective and that my friend is called a conspiracy that’s why he got convicted.
@ the casinos agreed to Ivey,s request for his dealers. He didn’t see the cards, he saw the backs of the cards and made use of edge sorts due to the imperfections of the cards. The casinos are in the gambling business and agreed to this. They didn’t have to agree. They should be responsible. The dealers didn’t do a false shuffle to alert Ivey the position of certain cards in the shoe. Had they done this, it would have been cheating. So no. There was no collusion here. Ivey played the game legally.
I think the courts ruled against Ivey because he is black.
I love the way Finish people speak, the tone and the bluntness, they don't fuck about! Patrik is a legend!! Quality quote there!
haha and that snowflake Matt Berkey holding himself back from saying something in offense to that statement. So great
Phil is the ultimate hustler . He knows the solvers by now and has strategy to beat guys he knows base a lot of their game off of it
I thought this was the wildest click bait I ever saw but god damn go on Ivey
EV plays poker to?
@ where you think the EV in EVScape came from bro
@@EVScape I was thinking you loved Teslas
This is crazy crossover 😂
@@EVScape Is your name Tom, by any chance? I played on stars many years ago vs a guy from Australia that played both RS and poker. I get that you're not the only Ozzy playing poker and RS, but worth a shot! Haha
Who TF is inviting Phil fvcking Ivey to their home game?
Serious degenerates😅
lmao for real they are signing up to lose
EXTREMELY rich people.
lol rich people love to gamble with pros.
I’m not rich but it but fun to play with such a legend of the game. I’d lose a couple thousand for the entertainment
Where is the clip of patrick saying people are marking cards? Cant find it anywhere
In the video bro
4:51
Ivey was playing cash during a WPT event once and someone came in to rob the cage. He was doing prop bets with Barry Greenstein, and his prop had hit that flop. While hiding under the table Phil looks over at Barry and says "hey you know im on for doubles next hand right?" 🤣🤣🤣
Is that a real story?😮
Makes sense to me Phil, I'm older but everyday is a learning day, and when you drop a nugget, it's worth listening to 😊
RIP Mike Postle
What happened to him? Or did he go “missing” ?
Witness protection for Postle
8 minutes of Ivey saying nothing
Hes saying a lot, just not with his words.
i can spot 1 fish & it's you
thats why hes the goat
No. He actually said a lot. Y'all need to understand that the fundamental of sucess in poker rely on something else than just math theories. I am a winning player, and I also dont use these solvers. It's all about the read.
@@michaelvenne9386I’ve been a pro for over 10 years online & live . I still feel like I don’t know shit and Ivey knows so many poker secrets that I don’t. It’s frustrating but I wouldn’t want Ivey to ever reveal anything .
To all the goofies that don't understand, Ivey didnt cheat, he exploited the casino just like the casino does everyday. He asked for a set of conditions which the casino willfully agreed to because he was playing so high. The argument is apples to oranges, advantage play against a casino and cheating against other players at poker are worlds apart. Its silly to speak on subjects you have no knowledge in.
that makes him cheater
@mikekinsella2822 yeah you can't even speak correctly so your opinion doesn't count lmao
@mikekinsella2822 that makes him cheater lmao are you retarded?
@@mikekinsella2822you can’t be that dense
Gonna be honest this is a massive grey area and if anyone wants to be objective about it, it shouldn't be surprising that he lost the lawsuit. He was using edge sorting to gain a massive advantage. Sure casinos exploit others, but it doesn't mean its acceptable to try the reverse.
Back in the day, they would just blow you away at the table.
Actually they would stick you in the back of the trunk
In my old neighborhood
Phil Ivey is like Tiger woods when he talks
He’s got marbles in his mouth
Phil Ivey is the evolution of poker 2025 and light years beyond 💯
where is the full podcast/conversation??
I dont think he should even touch solvers, it statistically ruined Negreanu in his heads up with Polk and years of WSOP. Choosing frequencies over if you think the opponent is weak only makes them worse
That’s interesting. Did he really get worse? I thought it was because he wasn’t able to keep up with the playing field hence why he did it…to get better. Meaning that without upgrading his game he wouldn’t have gotten to play Polk to begin with. Idk 🤷♂️
@@cheflev9884 He didnt get worse. He would have lost a lot more to Doug had he not studied. Daniel was never a heads up wizard in the first place.
Wtf does “statistically ruined” even mean?? Negreanu was already a huge dog in a heads up match against Doug long before he started using solvers, NL cash hands passed him by almost 2 decades ago, he just wasn’t able to adapt his game quickly enough. You can see it even when he streams now, he’ll say “the solvers would tell you not to do this” and he’ll play a dumb trappy line that somebody would play in 2003 that is just ridiculously unbalanced, and guess what, it usually doesn’t work out!
@@davidoconnor1773 nah, at least he had winning years shown in his logs that has, since his solver learning its -1.1 in 2022 and -723k in 2023. he still uses that lame look at the clock call/fold solver bs
@ you mean the year end results he posts on his blog? For years those only covered tournaments (where he still probably has an edge) but Daniel has been a dog in big bet cash games for a very long time.
Ivy got shifty and changed the subject when he felt he might be asked if he has ever cheated, which suggests that he has.
What is worst GG poker or cheaters?? Feels like a push at this point
We need more vids like this
I like to mix it up
Really ? This just clickbait, he didnt explain anything.
"So many nuggets of wisdom came out of this interview ..."
Ivey: "I really don't wanna go into that..."
🤔☺️
If you cheat Ivey, he's got people to deal with that.
Ivey has been saying for years he is going to dive into the solvers. We will see if he does we may get the GOAT evolving even more.
Imagine he already has and he’s just concealing that knowledge
I think he just says that he never used them, guy plays everything close to the vest.
GOAT of Poker Phil Ivey ... honorable mentions Daniel Negreanu, Tom Dwan ..
Poker is way more popular now. You have a million YT channels of poker pros showing how easy it is to become rich. And now there are so many free resources to learn poker. And you can play a million hands online.
Throw that in to an economy with few real good jobs and people figure they'll gamble their way to prosperity. Kind of like how lottery picks up during a recession.
At least that's what they want you to think. In reality, it's easier and MUCH more likely that you'll just be another fish going broke.
Am I the only one that finds it a bit hypocritical to go that hard on cheating then admit you called someone in an online game under false pretenses to get a read?? I'm not saying that's necisarily cheating but where do we draw the line?
Robl looks pretty guilty when Patrick Antonius was talking about people marking cards. Wouldnt surprise me in the least
Then you sir, are stupid
That's pretty wild to just throw out into the world, yeesh
@aaronyarlas3553 is that you Robl?😅
@@wizard3117 I wish 😂
What i like about Ivey is that he is a complete player. Most of the pros seem like they use certain strategies every single hand... Phil does that and then goes off intuition and feel. He has an uncanny sense of sniffing out BS.
I feel Phil Ivey is a genius
And his just way ahead at everyone else
Holy Diver You've been down too long in the midnight sea.
Oh, what's becoming of me?
Ride the tiger, you can see his stripes,
but you know he's clean.
Cue Phil Ivey, "Ya know what I mean?"
Lmaoooo 😂😂😂 man
Why would hellmuth dive into solvers when hes still winning bracelets? Best live tournament player ever
"I see what thier doing in different situations then I start to implement that into my strategy" Yes, I thought we all did this, "adjusting to your opponents"
Serious question - does he have a stutter?
Nah. He is being careful regarding what he wants to put out
nah, he has done his fair share of cocaine though
Do y’all honestly think solvers really make you that much better?
Yes I’ve solved the game
How so please elaborate and lmk what tools/programs you use?
@@santanah.6897 my brain
Just a heads up: Negreanu has studied solvers, so you shouldn’t have shown him along with Helmuth while describing pros not using them.
Well they did say "Guys like Ivey and Negreanu adapt" over the Helmuth clip
They used to smash on hand unrepairable for them to never get caught cheating again.
Poker expert gives an interview and hilariously provides no information because he’s a poker expert.
Does Phil Ivey have a stutter?
No i suspect he a cheater
It’s funny that this video is about cheaters, when Ivey had that baccarat case when he was cheating.
“Use the Force.” Phil Ivey, episode 4
So we’re not going to talk about the real reason Phil is hesitant to talk about cheaters and give his fans the “kill ‘em all” red meat? If you could be more honest I’m sure Phil would be the first to say cheating the house is one thing, but not other players.
I would like to point out in this "civil" day and age.We as poker players, 150 years ago would shoot each other over this game for cheating....just sayin
What about the dealers
They can and do cheat as well
MECHANICS
Solvers are standard now for any beginner to learn the game properly. It’s the fundamentals. Most semi pro and pro players use them now.
A good way to think about it is this. GTO vs exploitative. Any player that has a skills advantage is playing exploitative poker. But when the sharks are all playing each other it’s simply easier to just play balanced GTO than partake in the psychological warfare of exploiting the leak, followed by an adjustment, followed by counter adjustment etc.
If i had to bet, id wager that Phil has already messed with solvers, and just doesnt wanna say it to protect his image
@ sure, I don’t see why not. Then again if he thinks that’s the aspect he has to “protect” he’s even more delusional lol. I think it’s more Phil’s brand to be an over the top cry baby who shames players for making better plays than him while dunking on others with his .3 second all in’s. Why be ashamed of solvers? It’s literally the game right now, from flop odds shown on screen to commentary. It’s the grammar or poker.
@@cheflev9884 I don't think it's shame, I think it's more that he doesn't want people to think he takes standard lines. He's got the image of someone who bluffs, but these days seems nittier
Solvers are for weak players who can't put in time and money into the game to learn how most older players learned.. playing gto is never definitive.. you can't possibly be calling/betting/raising/folding optimally.. You're basing it on % of hands.. and you can't know exactly when it is to fold/call/bet raise.. its hilarious how people who use solvers can't see how they all play the same now and that makes the game boring.. being called down by bingo players with random cards calling flops with nothing to hit runner runner.. its comical the lengths people go through to justify their bingo playing.. You're either ahead or behind.. no in-between..
@@jacksparrow3490 You sound confused. GTO is the fundamentals of poker. Period. It’s never about becoming like a computer that knows what to do every single time, nor is it about playing optimal all the time. It’s about getting close enough and learning all the different spots.
Every single modern poker strategy you can think of from ranges based on position, to bet sizing based on position and hand strength, to how you play short stacked vs big stacked etc all come from GTO.
Exploitative play comes from reads because you understand GTO. Villain 3 bets too much from the button…UTG limps in too much, player X folds too much on the turn with a pot sized bet etc. All of these exploits come from understanding GTO.
Old heads had a vague understanding of most of there concepts but GTO made it concrete and learnable to much a faster extent. A poker coach, solver, and hand tracker can turn a nube into a semi pro in under a year of dedicated learning.
Depends what you consider cheating. He was just using knowledge and and observation to his advantage so I really don’t consider that cheating but a lot of people do
it was cheating because it was literally against the rules. Doug Polk has a video about it where it shows many clips of the announcers throughout the tournament saying someone along the lines of "no electronic devices near a table or inbetween hands or whatever" I dont remember it well, but it was clearly against the rules, but they allowed them to do it for some reason. Just spineless I think.
People forget where Phil Ivey is from, lol, asking about cheaters. We handle cheaters in the old school way my friends
How about taking them to Court and not paying out, how does that sound Ivy?
The biggest edge that Ivey has is a lot of his opponents are playing with other peoples money and are scared
The dealers from one casino I play at go to the other reservation casino and play. These dealers I speak of all collude together at the table and text each other in game during hands.
That's actually a crime, or three. Report them.
@ the local gaming commission is aware but the grey areas keep anything from happening I believe.
Every cheating situation is different. Is the cheater still donating to the game because they're cheating edge is lower than their skill deficit? Do you have enough evidence to prove the cheating in a court of law and/or the court of public opinion? Might you gain more evidence if you don't immediately expose the cheater? Might you face vigilante justice for exposing the cheater? Do you like or dislike the people being cheated? Right or wrong, all these questions and more will likely inform the decisions people make. Poker (and life) decisions are nuanced and that includes how to respond when you think someone is cheating.
They should record all hand histories and calculate how much they gained and reward it to their opponents
Ivey doesn't just play against the cards, but the people holding them. People who do math and solvers may still lack the edge against an Ivey or a Negreanu. (and will continue to own Hellmuth)
They asking Ivey about cheating ? 😂😂 they dont know about him
So we’re going to take advice from a known cheater on what should be done with cheaters
@@Nuksukow he didn't cheat goofy, he asked for a set of conditions that the casino willfully agreed to.
I can't really watch this, whenever Phil Ivey talks you interrumpt with unnecessary comments at the beginning
Came here to say this. Would really like to have gotten Ivey's thoughts without the host talking over him. It has to be a tremendous temptation to show Ivey how smart he is, but that's not the point of an interview.
Well, I've never heard of "solvers" maybe someone could explain it to me. Anyway, why didn't they ask him about the lawsuit that he lost against him several years ago? When the casino lost millions to him one night. He had a female coach, coaching him as he was playing a hand. I can't think of the name of the game. But, it was allowed at that time. He actually had many poker players come to his defense. Including my favorite, The poker kid.
As I understand it -
the game was Baccarat
they asked to play with a certain commercial deck of cards
the cards were not uniform on the back
they learned the value of many of the cards (if only high or low)
and had them oriented to stay consistent in terms of "readability"
they requested a uniform shuffle method so the sorting wasn't lost
then he bet accordingly
It was a form of cheating in my view but others say it was "allowed"
Basically they told the casino - "let us give the dealer special instructions"
The special instructions made the irregularity in the back of the card patterns exploitable
@@howard5992 Ivey never altered any equipment or took any illegal actions. The casino allowed themselves to be duped and then cried foul. Basically the exact reverse of their entire business model with regard to the public (i.e. slot machines, which are rigged in the house's favor, and you're just a sucker for playing so too bad if you lose all your money)
re: solvers - tldr computer programs run millions of simulations and find the statistically balanced play for every combination of cards, position and bet size. you can even input what you think your opponent's strategy is, and the computer will tell you the ideal counter-strategy. there may be a better strategy in actual practice, but the solver will tell you how to play theoretically perfect poker so that no matter what your opponent does, in the long run you will at least break even.
@4:04 Beheading is alittle too far IVEY, BUT, cutting their fingers off says "YOU WILL NEVER CHEAT AGAIN"...lol...J/S
did Phil have surgery to keep his eyes from blinking?
😂
If someone cheats why not just ban them and pass their face around to different casinos, like they do with card counters.
If it was cheating why didn’t the floor stop them it was the main event…
Ivey basically saying you cheat? ok cool I’ll call my boys
If there’s one thing Ivy knows about, it’s shady behavior in a casino.
Seriously hilarious, of all people 😂
@@webchamp930he did nothing wrong
I'm sorry but there's no way I can agree. He just asked a casino to keep everything the same as he played baccarat. Nothing wrong with that because their error is their fault.
Wait. Are you comparing cheating in poker VS other players....to rigging the game in your favor against institutions that have always done so?
@@MrBeatboxmasta for a guy who did nothing wrong, he sure did lose a lot of count cases.
Criminal charges just like people who manipulate the stock markets etc…
Yeah, that dude & his coach cheated, but they cheated fully out in the open.... so yeah. Im still amazed no one else at the final table called the floor to get a rulling.
Well done
I think you shouldn't mix "finding an edge" with "cheating". They are different in my mind.
The tournament organizers specifically said that was against the rules throughout the tournament. If its against the rules, its cheating.
I thought buddy was Phil Helmuth 🤣
this felt like a interrogation.. and ivey came across defensive.. what was the purpose of the sit down..
Ivey isn't made as he isn't Italian, so this wasn't a sit down.
The Legend!!
Phil has got some serious crazy-eyes.
When Ivey starts grinding solvers...
How about this, if a player is caught cheating, take one of his fingers so he'll remember and everyone else will know not to cheat!
Fun fact, someone at this table was accused of cheating and lost in court.
So im not going to take his opinion too seriously
I just commented on that
@@kevinwaters1272 except he didn't cheat, he asked for a set of conditions and the casino agreed
Not exactly but whatevs.
he literally didnt cheat, he made some requests from the casino, and the casino agreed to them. Its really their fault for being negligent.
He didnt cheat. He asked for certain bizarre conditions to play a game, the casino agreed thinking they would bilk millions out of him, but he turned the tables on them and won playing fair and square. They got butthurt and sued, and because the gaming commissions are in the casinos back pockets they won in court.
6:51 he's probably talking about IQ but doesn't want to sound like an asshole
Hes talking about live reads
Phil would have you "taken care of" 😂
Asking that man about cheating didn’t he cheat??
Ivey became a comedian all of a sudden. A stuttering one also
Wow, I guess you should always fold to PI lest he labels you a "'cheater".
Here for Brad, not Phil
maybe try making your video without the shit subtitles. youtube has a subtitle option for those who don't understand speech or are deaf
Ivey doesn’t want to talk about cheating because he had a Baccarat cheating scandal going with his girlfriend
Poker is dead, solved and ruined by dungeon dwellers.
go to Texas.
womp womp, get good
He's not wrong
In fact he's right
Ivey the 🐐
You should start making shorts to gain more viewers.
Pretty funny the man who cheated at Baccarat is telling other people his thoughts on cheating.
Iykyk Ivey don’t grind solvers… and he probably never will.. he is a Solver.. most humans cant play well enough to beat him as he is.. he’s a hustler not computer science nerd. No offense to the GTO nerds.. he’s old school poker savant
Is edge sorting considered cheating?
in the U.K court, Yes, yes it is.
NO !!! he got cheated
@@Francis-yv6hc the casino probably owned the court like they own the gaming board in USA.
No its not, its smart,
it was their own decks ffs , so no.
I dont know what he means....
I wanted to hear his voice.... wow
The clips you chose to show are really great ! But your commentary not so much... Maybe become a clip channel !?
What did you not like about commentary?
The guy on the left has cool socks ;)
Why would he use a solver when played more hand then it lol 😂
Didn’t he get caught cheating at baccarat he had to pay the money back
he didnt cheat, he made some requests from the casino, to which they agreed, so it really their fault. Just as clueless judge ruled against Ivey. Cant believe he lost the case...
@ you’re a 🤡 to believe that
6:12 I think, "As I'm sure many had thought he was opposed to"* or "To which I'm sure many had thought he was opposed". Minor, but eh. Being "opposed" is different from being "opposed to something"
Whoa. How does one cheat with glasses?
infared sunglasses or whatever, cards are marked with invisible ink which you can see with the specific glasses.