Steiner T6Xi 1-6x24 review
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- Light on the memes, heavy on the sound of my own bullshit and voice! Listen to me spend infinitely more time on the reticle than Stiner did. It's finally time to review the Steiner T6Xi!!!! I know this one is important to everyone, because I'm steadily getting questions on it. I got 800 rounds through it, and it's early, but it has to happen. For your time melting punishment.....I mean enjoyment, the full review of the Steiner T6Xi 1-6x24 KC-1. You're lucky I cut out the 10 mins of Morgan Freeman Dufresne jokes.
My UA-cam Channel is not monetized, my rumble has less than 200 followers (That's honestly a big jump from last time, thanks guys!), I do not profit from the use of any of the cutaways used in my videos. I desperately need them to keep people's attention for ALMOST 40mins!!! Camman.....who the hell is going to watch this? That's absolutely ridiculous, I'm ashamed.
Music:
Shooting intro: "Nostalgic Synthwave - Vintage" Whitebat audio
• Nostalgic Synthwave - ...
[One of my favorite songs ever, don't look for the lyrics to make sense. IT's a dude professing he's cool with being killed in combat and being buried under a tree or some shit. But it goes hard when I'm in the gym. Hopefully it's not a story about me and a Russian fighting with knives in the ocean as we drown.....]
Bury tomorrow "The Grey (VIXI)" • Bury Tomorrow - The Gr...
Timecode:
0:00 Shooting intro
3:04 Intro
3:44 Specs
6:31 Turrets, controls, Throw direction and magnification range
9:49 Eye Relief/Eye box
13:09 Glass clarity/image quality
19:25 Reticle
27:53 Illumination
29:31 3 Gun/Hunting, Tactical, or Military Grade?
30:15 What it's good at
32:07 What it's bad at
34:50 Closer
The center dot is 0.15 mrad. The thickness of the center ring is 0.30 mrad and the diameter of the center ring is 4.42 mrad. The vertical hold lines are 0.15 mrad (for all those comparing below on how much thicker it is, the Stryker is 0.18 mrad). But serious comments aside, looking for my invite to the NavyMan Range Day where we all look through a bunch of scopes back to back, thinking about it ... we need a NavyMan Range day.
Thanks for that correction. I'm going to pin it. I'm definitely own for a range day. It's going to be a while though.
Ah, yes, the 3 AM vampire crew searching for good videos to watch.
You on grave yard shift? I am
I am
Graveyard gang
They always try and get me beteeen 3-4
Aren’t the crosshairs… a cross?
I took a handgun class with Jon last year and we talked about this thing so I was excited to see it come out. Your initial impressions were concerning, but I’m glad to see the full review addressed some initial skepticism. I’m not surprised he posted that info as soon as realized it, probably one of the cooler instructors I’ve been around. (Also yes, his classes are awesome.)
I’ve been waiting on your review to pull the trigger on one of these 👍👍
Great Job on the vids! What did you end up keeping t6xi 1-6 or Credo 1-6 ffp?
I'm keeping the T6Xi and I'm going to get another possibly, but I am getting a Credo 1-6 FFP red MIL to do a head to head before deciding which to standardize.
Nice. That reticle is badass. I’ve had 1-4, 1-6, and 1-8x LPVO’s and I think the 1-6x is kinda the sweet spot for a general use AR. Enough magnification to make hits at distance but not so much the scope becomes too big/heavy. I had the OG Steiner P4xi 1-4x and it was great but I always wanted just a big more magnification.
The P4Xi is the king of the 1-4s. I like it on my shorter guns that can't reliably get to or past 500 yards anyway. Perfect for a 400 yard gun. But on my 14.5's I definitely lean heavy on the 1-6. It's perfect for fighting rifles. My 16" guns are more precision oriented so 1-8 is perfect for that I think.
@@navyman8903 no argument from me. I setup my dad, who isn’t an AR guy but wanted something more capable for “emergencies”, with a budget PSA AR and used that P4xi I had for that. He’s only going to shoot a couple hundred rounds a year so I didn’t think it was necessary to go with BCM or Geissele like it run.
Great just when I thought I was circling in what optic I will get another fantastic review is dropped. Just when I thought I was out, they pulled me back in
I almost bought a Trijicon Credo sfp/Delta Styker last night but decided to save some more money and just get an ATACR since it does everything I want the Styker/Credo to do while also having an excellent reticle for distance shooting and as a bonus 2x more magnification. Its gonna hurt to spend all that money though.
I support this decision.
Buy once cry once is my motto. Hurts worse for me to regret a "cheaper" purchase. I'll do my research and spend the money for quality.
I never regretted my acog and sold the really impressive delta stryker after getting it. I’m now doomed to be a scope snob lol
Just pick one up yesterday and haven't mounted it yet, wanted a ATACR LPVO but the price is out of sight, hope this will do.
While it's definitely not an ATACR, it will suit you well. I really love mine on a 14.5, and could get hits reliably if I did my part.
If you had to choose on a 14.5 5.56 platform, would you take the Steiner 1-6 or the Trijicon Credo 1-6? Both seem like great options, just trying to way through options
Did I get through a video without swearing? This optic IS anointed!!!! (Edit....nope. I said stupid ass one time. Maybe it takes time for this optics holy power to work.)
No cats though 😂
@heightsbori they were in there but I think their parts got overwritten by the b roll of the optic.
Lol “share the “good news” at muzzle velocity”
Have the 1-4 right now on my 6.5 Grendel Centurion build. This may be a successor.
Awesome review, I am hoping C_Does also posts a review on this optic in the future. I am curious if he concurs with your overall opinion. I did get mine mounted, (went with a Bobro single lever 0 MOA 1.93 height mount). Unfortunately haven't had a chance to take it to the range yet but am a bit more optimistic because of your review.
I hope he does as well. His reviews have reinforced a few optic decisions for me and he is the reason I got my P4Xi back in the day. I will also say, when I first got it, I was in the same place as you. Taking it to the range helped. Also make sure your diopter is set to your eye as best you can and remember the scope caps can make those walls look thicker.
I agree with you. I liked my first one so much, I did buy a second one. 😉
Have you played with the credo 1-8 with the larger objective? Would you say that handily beats the t6xi in glass and image quality or does it still hold its own? If the credo 1-8 is better would you say the extra weight is worth it for the 8x and 28mm objective or would you still choose the t6xi or credo 1-6 to save weight?
Depending on application. 14.5 and down the Credo 1-6 or the T6Xi is perfect. 16 and up Credo 1-8 all day long. The Credo 1-8 is chunky but I love my Accupower 1-8 on my MR556. So 16" or longer, absolutely go with the 1-8
Also, regarding that magnification ring...would it be dumb to just over-hand grip it and slide the hand vs using the lever (similar to how you'd do with an entire occular bell that rotate), or is it not going to pan out too well?
No, I overhand grip it when I'm using it, but demonstration for the video is different with my setup. I prefer having the throw lever to give me more speed/confidence in my adjustments. And the whole housing moving is my only hit on the ATACR other than the FOV.
@@navyman8903 you prefer the lever for videos, or in general vs overhand grip and rip?
@unobtaniumsquickreviews6999 I used a combo overhand and rip with the lever. Whichever one of my digits can get under it grabs it for extra leverage. The only time I really exclusively use the throw lever is for find adjustments from 4x to 6x or 6x to 3x. You know.
Great review !
Thanks, I appreciate you watching.
NAVYMAN8903 can you explain if you will, your thoughts on choice of the SIG P226 in regards to a full size option in comparison to the other options available to you/us. I am a fan of it as well.
I prefer the 226 because of the stability in tracking, accuracy and a few other factors. The Legion specifically and possibly the Elite by extension since it has a lot of the same features, fits me perfectly. I can try to do a video on it if you like.
Sweet, just curious because I have been drawn to it as well as a primary home defense/ carry option too. The MK25 in all honesty, having both because of its coated internals and signature. The roll on is like butter and I find myself putting tremendous stock in durability and fit/finish in the long run. I do have the HK Beretta Glock etc and just do look to the 226 when the dust settles as the go to. I trust it.
Do you think this would do well on top of a .308? I've been chewing on the idea of building a Mid + range AR10 build.
I've never had the desire to run LPVO on my 5.56, but could see the value with a .308.
Any recommendations on a 1-8?
I think it can absolutely handle a .308. As for a 1-8 I only recommend the Trijicon Credo, 1-8 VCOG or NF ATACR 1-8. The Credo in MILS, which is the cheapest of the 3.
What do you use to mount GoPro behind the optic ?
How does this compare to the older steiner ranger 1-6x? I found one on clearance
Is this scope plagued by the fisheye the t5xi 1x5 is.
Great review. About the distracting glowing red band at 5x, is it dumb of me to suggest bumping clear to 6x instead of stopping at 5x, or down to 3x if dialing down?
I haven't looked through the thing so I don't know how distracting that devil-halo would be. I'm guessing it would bug me at 5x in reality since the images here looked annoying. Aside from that, this seems very good and a happy bump up from the P4Xi, which still delivers no matter what the interwebz may cry.
After looking at the ATACR 1-8x reticle, I see your point about the windhold dot tree. Not too busy.
Did you get to look through Delta Stryker 1-6x, or the SAI 1-6x with the funny 4 bullet center X? Both of those look like they also are similar to a P4Xi with another 2x, though the SAI reticle seems like it would take some brain training to not be bugged by it.
I got to look through the Delta Stryker which was excellent and I haven't looked through the SAI yet. As for the 5x thing I absolutely would recommend and probably dial it all the way up to 6x in practical application. Sometimes backing off 1 or 2 power gives you more FOV around your target. But you don't get that with this unfortunately.
@@navyman8903 It would suck if at 6x, and looking for a wee bit more FOV, and having the devil-halo intruding. Even non-illuminated, it's there in the way for its circumference. Me saying "dial down to 3x" isn't really help if you only need a bit more FOV. I gotta quit bench racing the reticle. Thanks for sharing the insights and how you actually got to preferring this reticle. I also thought it looked goofy based on the early images and no info - as you've already said better than I could.
Would love to see you review the delta stryker and compare it to some other optics. I bought one, and my only complaint is that the reticle is too thick and obscures the target when going for precision. I also noticed that the acog has noticeably clearer glass than it
Well in fairness to the Stryker, any prism optic will be much clearer due to simplicity and how beautiful they can make a prism. Even primary arms prisms are pretty good lookin. But I plan to pick one up to give it a go. I might use it as my accuracy testing optic if it passes muster. I liked the one I looked through. But the Steiner might be better suited if the stadia are too think on the Stryker.
@@navyman8903 if accuracy testing is the goal than don't waste your time with the stryker as much as I love it. I'm a good enough shot to feel it cost me 1/2" when grouping at 100yd. Great optic, I use it on my general purpose fighting rifle, but the reticle thickness holds it back from perfection in my book.
@@navyman8903 the new PA GLx Prism is absolutely outstanding. Imagine a red dot with zero fuzziness (I have bad astigmatism)
good review
Thanks. I appreciate it.
Great video Shipmate
Thanks Shipmate.
It looks like a nice optic so Hopefully it’s more durable than Steiner’s 34mm 1-8x. As the 1-8x meet mr Aron Cowan drop test and on second one a turret flew off and parts poured out like when they do a controlled release of water through a dam.
Everything else Steiner makes is solid. The M8Xi is a stupid design and doesn't make any sense. The main tube was tiny and everything else was huge. Just asking for that exact thing to break. All my T series optics have been fine and honestly the other M series optics are good to go. Just the M8Xi is awful. SFP to boot.
Morning my dude! 🤙
Morning indeed!
Kinda of a loaded question but Viper Pst 2 or P4xi? For context is going on a 5.56 SLR-106.
If it's already heavy I would go with the P4Xi to save yourself 8oz. But if it shoots 2Moa or better I would find a 1-6 for it.
@@navyman8903 it’s heavy(zenitco furniture/Fab defense bipod grip)and has a pencil barrel shoots around 2 Moa when I haven’t had too much coffee. I’m looking to upgrade from my SLx 1-6 ACSS aurora
Great video on a more budget friendly alternative to the nightforce/Leupolds out there. Glad to hear you’re having a good time at jtac. Did you get a membership or are you bumming off your friends still?
Bumming off my friends foe the time being. I don't go frequently enough and they've stopped accepting new members unless you take a class. So it's extremely cost prohibitive for me to go unfortunately.
@@navyman8903 yeah in same boat. Their memberships last I checked are closed. The class was just so they could clear you to be alone on the range. Wanted to see if they had opened it back up yet or what. They offer remote shooter membership and it’s not cheap. It’s a super cool range though man.
So...what I really want to know...does this thing even come close to the durability and reliability of the Nightforce NX8 that underwent testing with CRANE? I like what I see, but "will it take a dump" is the #1 question I always have with optics. How isolated is the lens cell from the tube? How secure are the lenses within this cell to recoil/counter-recoil? How reliable are the turrets on the 1st turn and the 10,000th turn? How is thermal stability of the optics cell? That sort of nerd shit that really matters long term.
I will say Steiner does a lot more abuse testing than most companies. I think Trijicon and NF do it as well. But the stats on this thing are solid. The 33ft submersion in a Tactical level optic is Military level optic performance. I think it would be better than the NX8 on some levels but possibly not all levels. Depends on the testing criteria and bias. The front lense is also well protected and the rear lense is about standard depth for new LPVO offerings.
Have you looked at the SAI 1-6? I think it, and the Steiner, are a pretty good toss up.
I have and my buddy got one recently. I'm hoping to hear his feedback before making a decision.
I keep hearing super clear glass and super easy to get behind.@@navyman8903
Im curious what the consistency is between these. I had two of them and a few things varied between the two as well as different then your review. The only thing consistent is the glass, whixh is hard to beat
I've noticed that with some other optics as well honestly. I was able to run 3 Gen 3 razors back to back and it made me feel like mine was the best of the lot. One dude had cat eye distortion. One had water intrusion/fogging. Then when it came back from Vortex it looked cloudy. And another dude's eyebox seemed better than mine but the eye relief at 10x was much worse....I have also heard the same with a few Credos from comments. Idk if people are cutting corners or what. I would love to see some other T6Xi's back to back.
@NAVYMAN8903 OH, those 1-10s were all over the place for sure.
@Christopher Goydich As far as Steiner, I've seen dozens in each model and have all been consistent. That being said, the T6 series I have only seen a few in each model. They all, but the 1-6 have been consistent in my experience. The 1-6 I've seen about 7 to 9 and all have differences, however minor, inconsistent. Could be it's their first FFP LPVO, but I don't know. Late summer they will have the T6Xi in a SFP and I can't wait to get it. Possibly 2 different reticles......
@@ChristopherGoydich-cb6bd Kahles has been very consistent as well in all their line.
@@ChristopherGoydich-cb6bd I will say, I've been able to see through a lot of optics of some brands due to their popularity, and much fewer samples of others. So keep that in mind. My most consistent optics brands so far, in no order, are NightForce, Schmidt & Bender (I've looked through 3, a Marine issue PMII 3-12, a Larger mag PMII, and a Short Dot Dual CC), Trijicon, and Steiner. I've only looked through 1 K16i which was great, 1 Delta Stryker (pretty damn good), 2 Trijicon Accupoint 1-6's, 1 Primary arms 1-6 FFP raptor, and a few other odds an ends. Then the boring stuff, multiple Vortex Razor Gen II E's, probably 5 maybe 6 Vortex Razor Gen III's, 5 or 6 PST Gen II's, and a bunch of trash tier strike eagles, which I hate. For Steiner, I've looked through more P4Xi's than most people, extremely consistent. Easily a dozen samples. Conversely I've only seen in person a few T5Xi's and my T6Xi is the only one I have. I've been regularly smitten or impressed with NightForce optics, but not the NX8, I didn't mind the NX8 2.5-20 I played with at JTAC, but it gets fuzzy past certain distances, 600 looked good, 800 was soft. But all the ATACR's I've looked through, were extremely consistent. Trijicon Credos have also been extremely consistent for me, the 1-6's and 1-8's, same with VCOGs. I think if you stick with Steiner, NF, Trijicon, and Schmidt & Bender (If you have stacks of cash), you will get a rugged, reliable, and consistent product. Any company, and I mean any company can have a lemon that was built at quittin time on a Friday. So keep that in mind. But those 4 brands are true stand outs for me. There are others like the Stryker that I think are also quality, but aren't as well circulated and the price scares the general public away from them. Because why get a Stryker when you can get a PST Gen II despite the fact it weighs 25oz....it's $500-600 vs $800-900.....So I think there are good and consistent optics out there that I may not have had the opportunity to look at. To include Kahles. I've only seen 1 K16i in the wild ever. But it was excellent glass. IT's probably a video I could spend an hour on and go through everything, but it would be boring as hell for most people lol.
I've been going back and forth between this and the updated nx8 with christmas tree reticle like the atacr or vortex 1-10. My gut tells me just get this because I expect the glass and eyebox to he better, but the fc-dmx reticle in the nightforce is such a huge point in it's favor.
I would say the T6Xi if you're on a budget and need something quality. But the ATACR 1-8 if you can afford it.
I found setting the diopter was easier setting it initially then doing something else for 10 minutes then taking another look. If it’s not perfect when you look adjust and wait another ten minutes. Took 4 times till I got it right. Was well worth the time if you have the patience. Take your time. Get it right for you no matter what optic you use.
I wish there is a video about the 3-18 that has the same quality as this one :sadge
At some point, I'll have one.
Just stopping by to drop a like. Also, according to Reddit LPVOs are bad cause someone on the internet said so. You must sell this immediately and buy an ACOG 😂
Lol, I know right?
@@navyman8903 It's so sad how people in the gun community follow whatever the new trend is. I'll keep my LPVOs.
@jonathanwick1265 it absolutely is, but it also shows the state of "our gun community" being more followers than leaders, and more groupies than shooters.
@@navyman8903 Agreed!
We up!
Just ordered one yesterday from Battlehawk Armory for 1275 shipped. Go get that second copy, brother 🤙🏻👌🏻😎🔥
Might need to. Good lookin out. That's a solid price.
@@navyman8903 no doubt dude, had to jump on it!
If this only had the SCR2-mil reticle
That would also be nice I think. I'm getting the 2.5-15 T6Xi for my R700 for that reason.
Ugh this or Delta Stryker or Razor gen 2e???
Dare I say it… STEINER
0:53
Good trigger follow through ASMR
I try where I can. Sometimes I remember.
@@navyman8903
Same. When I’m at a bench shooting distance I remember. When I’m shooting fast or running drills I forget.
do you like this better than a nx8 1-8
Yes, by a lot.
Are you shooting 5.56? If so, what can you run
06:40 Navyman ASMR ahoy
Really like this optic and reticle on 6x out to some distance. Don’t really like it on any other magnification and the eye box is good but not as good as Credo, Razor, Atacr, or even the PLXc. I hate hate hate how the outside circle is brighter than the dot which I know is common with lpvo illumination. Thinking I may sell this one and pick up the new Credo 1-10 for a better overall package at a similar cost.
It's not as good as the PLXc? I haven't run one, but it's near identical to the NX8 and I got to compare them. The eyebox is definitely better on the T6Xi. The Credo 1-6 FFP has a better eyebox for sure. The Razor Gen II or Gen III?
Also I agree with your criticism on the big ring Illumination. I've grown to really love it, but it does have a few annoying features. Mostly good. But the ring Illumination and 5x really eat at me. But 6x, there's nothing more precise in a 1-6 offering so far. I also really like the turrets, both for their precision and the turret itself.
@@navyman8903 Both gen 2 and 3 Razor. PLXc I felt like it was better but only by a very small margin. Maybe it’s not. I don’t own one I only got to try it briefly. The turrets havent given me any trouble but I don’t like the allen key locking design. Thats another thing I forgot in my original comment. The simple pop up to adjust and down to lock that most other companies use would have been faster, more convenient, and just overall greatly preferred.
Im buying one.
Let me know how you like it if you don't mind.
Ey yo have a good weekend
You too, man.
Any opinions on a 1-8 VCOG?
Other than the size and price, everyone I know with one loves theirs. I have only briefly looked through the 1-8.
@@navyman8903 my MWS is in need of some glass. It's about 1600 right now so pricing must be coming down. Thinkin it would work nicely with the 16" 308
@nickl5816 at 1600 that's a great option.
How’s daytime brightness
It's daytime visible. The big horseshoe appears brighter than the center but I didn't have trouble finding either. Not aimpoint bright.
I have the poor's version from Vortex
You were at JTAC? You from Florida?
Yessir.
That’s my home
The bezel looks super thick on 1x.
It's not really, it's the rear lense cap. There's a few clips later in the video that shows it without the rear cap for contrast.
I mean it’s Steiner…. But dang do i just prefer an overrated but budget friendly ACSS reticle. SFP budget scope for the win. Yeah, I’m poor and I’m flexing my anemic financial muscle.
Same! I'm happy with a simple donut/horse shoe and dot center with a BDC reticle that's very simple is all I need. I'm getting ready to go to my buddies gun shop today and buy a 1-6x24 with the horse shoe and dot with BDC vertical statia. It's one of those Fire Field LPVO budget optics but I've heard a lot of really good things about them. And they are just under $200 so it will never be anything like a night force or something like that but it's just under $200 so you can't expect it to be.
Oh my hecking science! I just shared this at the young communist's meeting at the Satanist Chruch hosted by Karl and we all agreed this video is epic i think this will be the upgrade from my Feyachi Reflex Sight.
Good Ole socialist Satanist Karl....
This or the Kahles K16i?
I prefer this. It's more durable.
Between this and the Razor 1-6 gen 2 e, would you say that the image quality of this is better, worse or about the same?
T6xi or eotech vudu ?
T6Xi hands down. Better controls, clearer glass and the reticle at 6x is extremely precise. Taking it out to 616 yards was easy mode. I also like how clear the optic is out to longer distances than I could competently engage with it. Allows me to see what I'm working with and make informed decisions, even at 6x.
@@navyman8903thanks! Killer review just subscribed.
@@nicehandsfeet11 thank you and I appreciate it.
Number one job of any magnifying optic is an exacting understanding for where the rifle is pointed. My impression is this scope’s reticle gives shooter exacting recognition quickly. I’d rather have MOA dials, which better supports shooters having learned basic marksmanship with irons on the M16A2 or A4. Today, a scope with mil or sans scale reticle and MOA dials is a unicorn due to scope marketing directed to novice shooters who incorrectly believe matching dials to reticle scale is important when fact is the mil reticle and MOA dials will ALWAYS be best for all scenarios. If this scope was offered in a 1-4.5 power it would be compelling for Service Rifle Competition.
I think the 1-6 range is perfect for it, especially with the 5x being a throw away for me.
@ChristopherGoydich-cb6bd so on these outings I used just the reticle to get my hits at 333, 400, and 616. In the future anything over 400 I'm going to dial. I do have a 200 yard zero on this optic so it doesn't need nearly as much turret adjustment.
But all of this would be solved with some very basic windholds.
To add in to what you’re saying I think people forget, matching turrets to reticles wasn't meant for competition, it was meant for fighting. If you’re working in a team and someone is spitting for you, they’re giving you corrections in mils from their reticle (for example). You used to have to translate that mil adjustment into MOA clicks to bring your mil reticle onto the correction.
Spotting* thank you autocorrect.
@ChristopherGoydich-cb6bd agreed on all counts. I really want the 1-8 short dot dual CC but I can't spend 5800 on an optic. That's two 1-8 ATACRs with my mil discount mounted on my rifle. But man I would love to have it.
How in the hell is a 1-6x FIRST MF FOCAL PLANE have a BETTER eyebox than the 1-4x sfp p4xi?!? I'm not doubting your claim or anything but how is such witchcraft even achievable? I've had my eyes behind a ton of different LPVO's from high end to low yet I keep coming back to the p4xi for it's flat image and extremely forgiving eyebox.
oh boy, another mediocre 1-6!!!
Slightly above average all around and above average in glass quality/clarity and hard use for its bracket. The turrets are stellar as well. But I do get that 1-6s are over represented LPVOs.
And......There's no wind holds. Useless.
Not useless, but it definitely is handicapped by the lack of windholds.
If you had to choose on a 14.5 5.56 platform, would you take the Steiner 1-6 or the Trijicon Credo 1-6? Both seem like great options, just wondering if one has a slight edge over the other
I honestly like both, it would be dealer's choice with which reticle you prefer. Both come with a strong recommendation from me, if budget is a concern, the CREDO is cheaper by a few hundred. You can get one, with a mount for cheaper than the T6Xi. But both are very solid. IT's a hard decision, and at some point I will make a vs video, but it's probably not going to be for months since I only have so many things with me right now.
What hand stop and charging handle do you use?