As always solid review, no frills or shills, just the pertinent data. Whats funny years ago I bought one for 375$, after running it a few weeks, I sold my NX8 and another scope I had and bought two more. That same year it won scope of the year 2yrs running, then covid and riots and price has increased significantly. Like you said for 600 its still a deal. For primarily 1x shooting, it is the best regardless of magnification. I have a 1-5x T rated and M rated and discussed the actual differences with Steiner and youd be suprised the little diffence. I never heard anyone shit talking Steiner either, interesting comment, greatt review!
Thanks for the feedback. I really do like the Steiner and I've said a few times If I had the choice between an NX8 and P4Xi I would take the NX8, sell it, and buy more P4Xi's. They're really solid for what they are and the glass is on point. I can see things with it I can't see with other optics. I've never been upset looking down one of these things. I was looking at the T5Xi 1-5 for another project down the line. I would be interested to hear your input. I've heard the glass, eye relief and turrets are much better. I think the T series gets Schott if I'm not mistaken? And I wonder why Steiner gets little love over here with their quality, save the P4Xi of course. That gets all the praise it deserves.
@@navyman8903 TX5i is a has 1X more magnification, but a bit longer and heavier. The reticle and illumination are the same as the PX4i. The glass IMO is the same, I don’t notice any differences at all. The eye relief is a tad better then the PX4i, but the turrets are light years better. More rugged and definitive clicks. For me it really doesn’t matter much as it’s a set it and forget it optic, but they truly are a whole lot better. I know a few SWAT Teams that run Steiner specifically. I owned an NX8, ATACR and RAZOR HD II& III and for what I want and need, the Steiner is better than all of them without question. I currently only run Steiner and Khales. I know the big craze lately has been LPVO, but most try it cause its cool or really just want to experience it without understanding or knowing what to look for. For me, I want a very bright center dot and a very easy simple reticle. Clear glass with good eye relief that allows me to run it like an RDS of which is my priority. Some get very busy reticles, poor eye relief and the first up drill at the range they’re searching for the center of the scope and getting a good sight picture. They just didn’t think about what their requirements were. Usually, you see those on forums for sale weeks later with the infamous “Not for Me”? Same goes for Mount Heights, some go tall and very tall and don’t realize what they are doing. There are advantages and disadvantages to all, however prioritize and understand what you’re doing. Let me know if you need any more info or pics of either or.
@@chaoticcaninejb I really appreciate the detailed feedback. I think I might get into 1 T5Xi to test it out, but the P4Xi might be the most prevalent. I also completely agree with your points on LPVO's and mount heights. A lot of people are also not willing to hear feedback or have their purchases questioned for their applications. It's also nice to hear swat is running the Steiners. The Glass is just so good and sometimes, base on application I do prefer simple aiming points. Other times, for precision a different reticle/optic. But a fast gun like my SR16, the P4Xi is a perfect pair. Which I also have to get ready to get that review done. Thanks again for taking the time to respond, I appreciate the information and experience.
This was an awesome review. Thank you for actually being honest and not being another everything is positive review. Your perspective is greatly appreciated and you earned a sub from me man. Have a great day!
Thanks, I stay as honest as possible and I buy everything I have. Just want someone to have an honest perspective when they spend their hard earned money on something. Thanks for the sub, and you have a great day as well.
You can dial the focus to where it is in fact a true 1x. It is your eyes that need an adjustment away from 1x to focus better. Also, the drops are only needed in 4x, otherwise it's point and shoot within 4" or so within center mass. Perfect short range combat scope.
Another great review! I just got my first LPVO a Kahles K16i and I absolutely love it! It’s pricey but in my humble opinion worth it. I also have a astigmatism and it solves that for me completely. Rick
Why they stopped making the 4-16 P4Xi I have no idea. I was lucky enough to buy the last one at Sportsman’s Warehouse and it’s a beast. Steiner has really caught my eye recently.
Fair and helpful review. Thank you. For my particular needs (50 - 250 yards on a small 300BO bolt gun), I think it will do well the price I've found it for.
I got one this month and like it a lot. The red dot is far better for my 52 year old eyes and the glass quality is great. Got it to the range today to sight it in and am very pleased. Easy to get hits at 200 yard on 1x with the red dot and at 4x was banging out head shots. I'm real happy with this scope. For me, the eye relief is tighter than what other people have said...but maybe that's just me.
The eye relieve hasn't been an issue for me, but mounting location may be contributing to that. I'm not sure. But I did see the eyebox constraints. I will say, this thing definitely hits outside of its weight class. I never feel like I don't have enough optic out to 300 yards or so. Great optic, the king of the 1-4x's in my opinion. If you can get it in the $600 range it's excellent capabilities/quality per dollar.
Hey dude, great review. I bought this scope from this review. I am pretty suprised what you get for the money, being that the mount I am using is nearly as much as the scope. I do have one issue with the scope, and I am not sure if it's just my example. The illumination turrent has some play side to side. If I am looking at the scope side on and wiggle the turret right or left there is play. It is more noticable looking top down while doing so. I know you only have a sample of one, but is this something normal and I am just being too particular, or is there cause for concern?
You know what's funny, I'm playing with it now after your comment, I have a touch of it as well. I haven't had any issues with it, but now I'm going to keep an eye on it. So mine does in fact do it too, and I appreciate you bringing it to my attention, I don't know how I never felt it before lol. I wouldn't say based on how hard I've been on mine to include an unplanned tumble onto concrete. It's up to you, but mine does it and is still running strong. Glad you like the optic, and I'm getting the T5Xi 1-5 next to see if it's worth its cult hype on certain parts of the internet. But the other 11.5's I have in my inventory will all be wearing P4Xi's, it's my go to 1-4x optic, and it's much better than a dot/magnifier combo. I'm always impressed with the glass clarity, even after owning /running it this entire time.
@@navyman8903 Thanks for the quick and detailed response man, much appreciated. I just spoke with Steiner CS a little bit ago and they said it's not supposed to be like that. They sent me a return label and I'm debating whether or not it even needs to be "fixed". Since both of ours have the same "issue" I would say it is probably a common enough occurrence, but I cannot find a single mention of it online. Anyway, I will probably send my new shiny back to steiner to get looked at (sigh)... I will definitely give an update after I get it back though. Every manufacturer can release a lemon, no biggy. It's what they do with the customer who bought it that sets manufacturers apart, and we will see how Steiner handles this one.
@@mattalex543 never a problem, thanks for asking the question and bringing it to my attention. I have my VCOG out right now, we will see if I send my Steiner back. Please let me know how it goes. I know it sucks to send something in right after getting it. I do truly love my P4Xi and other things have come and gone that were supposed to be amazing, but this little P4Xi is still holding its own for me. I hope they treat you right and please keep me updated if you don't mind.
Love the work you do man. Does an optic being first or second focal plane matter much to you? I feel like it depends on the reticle and planned use for me.
Something quick and 1-4 SFP is alright if I just need to do fast work, or "oh damn, I have to hit something at 300 yards" But if I need to do high volumes of serious work or unknown ranges, I want FFP. You don't know what power would be best to take a shot at and all of that noise. But I do feel it's set up dependent. I like SFP for some things and FFP for most things.
Your review convinced me to buy the Steiner. If I wanted something slightly better, I would have to buy the Vortex Razor, which now costs between $1,300 and $1,400. As for cost, the Steiner is going for $799.95, or thereabouts, on most websites. However, I just purchased (10/19/21) the Steiner on sale for $649.95, new, which is a good price. The retailer selling the Steiner still has 12 units left at the sale price. Let me know if you want the name of the retailer. I can post it here.
Shipmate, is the Scarlarworks scope mount worth it or not, I don’t switch optics from rifle to rifle. Picked up the Steiner for a great price and placing it on a 12.5 upper. Salute
I like it for what it is and it hasn't given me any problems. It was the absolute fastest mounting I've done for an LPVO. They are expensive but I found this one for 305 on BDU back in the day. Not sure what they're going for now. But I'm very happy with how mine performed. I'm going to put those P4Xi in a badger 1.70, and use this scalarworks on my R700 SPS tactical with a Meoptia 3-18 ffp. The P4Xi will be perfect for a 12.5. Let me know how that project turns out if you don't mind. Always good to see you in the comments Shipmate.
If I could find one of these for $400-600 I'd purchase one tomorrow. But as you said at the $800 range I'm gonna hold off. Hopefully they come back down in price again. Great review as always.
Agreed. I think that possibly black Friday sales might bring them down. But there might also be a supply issue this year so....who knows at this point.
Another well thought out review. Appreciate the effort on a scope I think about occasionally and almost purchased about 1.5 years ago. Don't know if you recall me but a couple months ago I asked your opinion re: H&K P30sk. Am thinking about buying one when I move back to Florida from Toronto. The range/s you shoot at remind me of either Daytona or St Augustine where I shoot when staying at my brothers in Palm Coast. Take care. Still thinking of the P30 but am also interested in CZ P 01. Take Care.
I'm sure you're not just chucking it. But do you have experience on Steiner's M8Xi 1-8x24 DMR8i? sagedynamic's video seems like the only place that put itt through its paces. But I found a sweet deal onn onne through expert voice. Not sure to grab it or keep saving for a NF.
i havent been out shooting in like 2 years so i never got to try out my trijicon accupoint...or accupower? i forget what it is but it is a 3-9x40. the steiner p4xi 1-4x24 was one i was looking at real hard at the time. i just got an eotech xps-2 qd and WOW i like it. still havent shot with it. liked the eotech so much i ordered the original one for 475. i just set up a single aa light i wanna pair with the og eotech. it is the streamlight 1l-1aa in a cheap ass vltor mount because i can run aa's, cr123a, and rechargeables of both sizes. gonna be the lightweight low power setup. i can still get 300 lumens out of that setup the thinking was aa batteries are widely available and cheap. we had a fairly bad power outage in the pnw recently. with all the other natural disasters i think it is a good setup but obviously not my go to.
I can afford the regular razor but not the “E”; do you think it’s worth the extra $400 for the E model or should I just save even more and go with the pst
NAVYMAN8903, Thanks for this review. I wish I could find a P4Xi for $500 to put on my new carbine. It's probably one of the best LPVO's for glass clarity and day bright in the $650 range.
Imagine one has a light-ish 16(AU Mod-1 16") with a T-432 and they are considering LPVO. At $700 would you suggest the P4xi? Or Credo 1-6 FFP? This individual can do MOA with the prism's 1MOA center dot, and can put 5rds/5secs under 1.5MOA also. Being left-handed an offset dot won't work.
Yes the zero changes as well and all LPVOs should really be zeroed at max, but you NEED to zero a SFP at max for it to be correct/true. The 1x performance is approximate anyway.
So 2 years later. How do u feel about this optic? I have an acog ta31 and a leupold mk5 3.5-18. and a cheap ass sig msr. Then all the fancy red dots. I want glass for my light weight 16" that is build for being as light as possible. So this lpvo is ideal I think unless u have one better for around the same weight ? I also like the trijicon accupower triangle dude.
The accupoint has better glass but only by a very small margin. The P4Xi is still an excellent optic in the 17oz category. I highly recommend it. I would never part with mine and it's perfect for my 11.5 to go out to 400-500 yards.
@@navyman8903 yea I like the red dot comparison u used. I only did a quick search but they still seem to be around the mid 800s. At this point do I think I'm the jb economy that's reasonable?
If you see this please respond, I’m having a problem deciding on an lpvo. In your personal opinion, is this optic pretty much the best thing for the 650 price range? Thanks Edit: this optic would be used for LE application and home defense
I would say yes. In the 1-4x catagory? 100% hands down. Hard use in that price bracket? Yes absolutely. Features/FFP or stuff like that, you can find other things in that price bracket, but I'm not sure it's going to hold up like the P4Xi will. You'll also not find too many people who don't like the P4Xi.
My buddy loves his PST 1-6 and a few other dudes I know like it. I really want FFP on a 1-6 but I also can't refute the performance of the Vortex. That said, I really really really love this P4Xi and it fits my criteria. It is for most applications my red dot replacement and it gives me 4x/confident engagements out to 300 yards. Which is something for sure. 6x, you can push out farther. But again, my criteria for a 6x is to have FFP so I can take shots without math at 3x 4x 5x or 6x. So I can get better FOV if I need it. I prefer the Trijicon CREDO so far for my 1-6. But that's for me, your application requirements might be different. BUT you're right in there for the optics I would recommend for that price range.
I have been looking for a lightweight optic that's not from China even though I really like the acss raptor , I have a lightweight bcm build I want to keep fairly light I bought a geissle because I had a 35 percent off coupon but it's not 17 ounces not even close and I don't want to spend a grand so I'm still looking. $800 seems alot for a 1x4 .
BDU has them for $606 right now, that's the cheapest I've found, but I could do another look and see. I think $600 is fair, but not a deal. Sometimes you can find them for cheap on sale, but you have to FIND them. I'm really happy with this optic as a whole and every time I use it I'm happy with it.
Yes and Amazon has that battery. I have a bunch I got from Amazon. Also how do you like your T5Xi? I'm looking into getting one since I like the P4Xi so much.
@@navyman8903 I can't seem to find any listings on Amazon. And to be honest haven't used it in a while but I'm about to switch it from my AR-10 to AR-15. Super nice optic, the magnification adjustment is super tight though, I don't really mind it. Edit: I found the right battery :)
@@money96plyr no stress at all, happy to help. Thanks for the feedback on the optic I appreciate it. I like the P3TR reticles in the 1-4 and certainly 1-5 when I get it for a CQC red dot/magnifier replacement. They don't weigh a ton for an LPVO and the glass is clear. So it's an easy choice for me.
I love this optic in a high end mount I was thinking the same thing is the Scalar a super light mount does it feel like that or is it not much different than say a ADM?🤯🔫🧨
Scalarworks makes the best mounts on the market. Extremely well priced, holds zero if you remove it and put it back on, lightweight, rugged and high quality overall. I’ve used OEM mounts from Trijicon MRO and Aimpoint CompM5 and they are garbage. The bonus on the scope mounts is the self leveling pin when you mount a scope. I have one on my ATACR 1-8 and love it. I’ve used a friend’s geissele mount on his T2 and we tested the zero hold and requiring a tool already sucks and the zero hold was fine but also weighs more than a scalarworks in the same optic holder model and height, I also used a reptilia from a different friend and while a little lighter still needs a tool/case to screw it in and is ok at zero hold as well. The Scalarworks mount is the standard by which all others are judged against. The Geissele is nice but for 10 bucks more you get a Scalarworks red dot mount that is more aesthetically pleasing and the Reptilia is lighter but isn’t as good at holding zero as the other two. None of my friends have a proper scope mount for me to compare to but the Geissele has obnoxious knobs on the side and you have to use a level to mount. Get the Scalarworks man. You won’t be disappointed, plus if you bundle the optic with it, it’s actually cheaper than buying the optic and mount separate.
I have tried them all. I paid $700 for the Steiner 1X4 and I must say it’s by far the best for me. Lower weight...great eye box and 33ft submersion. I put an offset mount (Holosun 507) red dot, with the circle reticle while I keep the Steiner on four power..I love the setup!
IPX7: Immersion (1 meter or less). Up to 3 ft 3 in (1 meter). Test lasts 30 minutes, with depth of 39 inches (1000 mm). No wonder they didn't want to just spell that out. "1 meter or less." Jeez.
Love the P4xi. My manic booger hook has quivered over the buy now button on this one a few times. Each time, I upsold myself to something else like Trijicon and Vortex Razor 1-6's. I like the simplicity, and I used to like the $450 price it used to be. The American market is sleeping on Steiner optics in general. They like them shit$ in Europe.
They really are great. I really love this thing and I might get 1 more for a different project, but I'm also looking at their T5Xi 1-5 because I hear it's like the P4Xi but better. With Schott glass and a better eye relief. I'm not huge on the price tag though. We shall see.
You need to try the meopta zd 1-4. It is better then the Steiner but just slightly. Has better coatings, more QC time, more rugged, better glass (ive done side by side). is 1-4x22 compared to 1-4x24 which means it has more metal on the tube because it is a 30mm. Has a 111 ft field of view and the reticle is VERY daylight bright and is bad ass. The eyebox is more forgiving. its like 9.5 inches long too. It is by far the best scope no one talks about.
@@navyman8903 they are. They put alot into making them rugged and the electronics that control illumination are alot better, very similiar to the Steiner 1-5. The p4xi was a $400 optic and is built on a tiny budget. Only reaoson the price went up is because of tarrifs and trade deals.
Damm too bad on the price hike. Looking for something to throw on a DD m4 v7 pro. It's down to a 1x6 vortex viper or a led Accog. Simplicity to shoot close or at a little distance is the goal.
I Have one, zeroed it 1x at 50m then turned to 4x and shot a group and had a shift in POI 3.5” high. Then zeroed at 4x at 50m turned it to 1x shot another group and had the same shift but low. Anyone else experienced this issue? Steiner took it back stated they couldn’t not replicate this shift. Getting it back tomorrow.
You have to zero it on 4x for the zero to be true. Being a Second focal plane your zero is only perfect on the magnification you zero it at. When you zero it on 4x the BDC is true vs 3x or 2x or 1x. The center is almost the same. But I showed that in the video. I forget the time stamp. But short story long, zero it on 4x at 50 yards. You'll be good to go.
@@navyman8903 thanks for following up. For a “duty use” that POI shift I experienced was not acceptable as I’d have to account for hold overs within 50m. I’ll get it back to the range and take your advice when zeroing. Also a different range due to the indoor one the targets where on retractable tracks. I’m assuming that also through it off not being exact placenta each time I sent the target back.
@@lojr2 Well make sure you zero at 4x. When it is, you can run it with some expectation of accuracy at 1x. But it will be the most precise and accurate at 4x. Be it at 50 yard or 50M zero. You can also download STRELOK Plus and use that. IT's the app I used to generate the reticle images/hold overs you see in the video: 18:00
@@navyman8903 thanks for the follow up. In talking to Steiner the center crosshairs after zeroed at 50m @ 4x/should be the same poa/poi at 1x @50m. have almost a 4” drop at 1x.
@@lojr2 The zero is only true at 4x. IT's close/useable at 1x. But I get the expectation, and had it myself until I used it at different ranges with different mags to test it out.
The point about it not being a “sniper optic” is important. One problem I had with it, particularly early on, has been difficulty in shooting really tight groups on small targets, because the heavy reticle actually tends to obscure said targets. So for a long time I had mixed feelings about my P4Xi. When I stopped fixating on trying to use it to shoot sub-MOA groups (which I have done with it, just not consistently) and use it more like it is intended to be used, I find I like it a lot more.
Yup, it's a lesson I sometimes have to learn multiple times. Over aiming and trying to get sub MOA out of it isn't what it's for like you're saying. Getting effective hits at range? Absolutely. But stacking a .75 moa group at 200 yards isn't it.
@@navyman8903 The sporting goods store I worked for had them for sale around the same time for $899, so I figured something was wrong and I jumped at the price.
Price is being driven by the following: 1. Inflation 2. Falling value of the dollar 3. Supply chain shortages 4. Expensive German glass 5. Increased demand If the glass were made by Leica, this optic could easily cost $3,000. Germans make the best glass in the world. That's why it costs so much.
Completely dependant upon multiple factors. Rifle length and cartridge choice? Price? I wouldn't ever pay over 700 for the steiner.... Even so, it's still the best 1x-4x LPVO on the market. I can put down cleaner groups with my p4xi than I can with my PA SLx 1x-6x and my Vortex Strike Eagle 1x-8x. The clarity from the 4x steiner is next to none.
8 pounds is definitely good but not realistic if your running a 16' with a white light and ir laser illuminator and maybe a can. The more practical weight with that would be 10 or 11 pounds. Like I said it all depends on what your running.
600 is top dollar for me. It performs at the 900 level, but there are better optics at the price point. One of the few optics I would buy used and perfect for an 11.5" ar15 or something you want to keep light/handy.
Yes, but when you mount it your at the price of a new razor. Or a razor bundle from Geissele. And the weight is perfect on this setup. IT does exactly what I need it to, and well. But I get your point.
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As always solid review, no frills or shills, just the pertinent data. Whats funny years ago I bought one for 375$, after running it a few weeks, I sold my NX8 and another scope I had and bought two more. That same year it won scope of the year 2yrs running, then covid and riots and price has increased significantly. Like you said for 600 its still a deal. For primarily 1x shooting, it is the best regardless of magnification. I have a 1-5x T rated and M rated and discussed the actual differences with Steiner and youd be suprised the little diffence. I never heard anyone shit talking Steiner either, interesting comment, greatt review!
Thanks for the feedback. I really do like the Steiner and I've said a few times If I had the choice between an NX8 and P4Xi I would take the NX8, sell it, and buy more P4Xi's. They're really solid for what they are and the glass is on point. I can see things with it I can't see with other optics. I've never been upset looking down one of these things. I was looking at the T5Xi 1-5 for another project down the line. I would be interested to hear your input. I've heard the glass, eye relief and turrets are much better. I think the T series gets Schott if I'm not mistaken? And I wonder why Steiner gets little love over here with their quality, save the P4Xi of course. That gets all the praise it deserves.
@@navyman8903 TX5i is a has 1X more magnification, but a bit longer and heavier. The reticle and illumination are the same as the PX4i. The glass IMO is the same, I don’t notice any differences at all. The eye relief is a tad better then the PX4i, but the turrets are light years better. More rugged and definitive clicks. For me it really doesn’t matter much as it’s a set it and forget it optic, but they truly are a whole lot better. I know a few SWAT Teams that run Steiner specifically. I owned an NX8, ATACR and RAZOR HD II& III and for what I want and need, the Steiner is better than all of them without question. I currently only run Steiner and Khales. I know the big craze lately has been LPVO, but most try it cause its cool or really just want to experience it without understanding or knowing what to look for. For me, I want a very bright center dot and a very easy simple reticle. Clear glass with good eye relief that allows me to run it like an RDS of which is my priority. Some get very busy reticles, poor eye relief and the first up drill at the range they’re searching for the center of the scope and getting a good sight picture. They just didn’t think about what their requirements were. Usually, you see those on forums for sale weeks later with the infamous “Not for Me”? Same goes for Mount Heights, some go tall and very tall and don’t realize what they are doing. There are advantages and disadvantages to all, however prioritize and understand what you’re doing. Let me know if you need any more info or pics of either or.
@@chaoticcaninejb I really appreciate the detailed feedback. I think I might get into 1 T5Xi to test it out, but the P4Xi might be the most prevalent. I also completely agree with your points on LPVO's and mount heights. A lot of people are also not willing to hear feedback or have their purchases questioned for their applications. It's also nice to hear swat is running the Steiners. The Glass is just so good and sometimes, base on application I do prefer simple aiming points. Other times, for precision a different reticle/optic. But a fast gun like my SR16, the P4Xi is a perfect pair. Which I also have to get ready to get that review done. Thanks again for taking the time to respond, I appreciate the information and experience.
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This was an awesome review. Thank you for actually being honest and not being another everything is positive review. Your perspective is greatly appreciated and you earned a sub from me man. Have a great day!
Thanks, I stay as honest as possible and I buy everything I have. Just want someone to have an honest perspective when they spend their hard earned money on something. Thanks for the sub, and you have a great day as well.
You can dial the focus to where it is in fact a true 1x. It is your eyes that need an adjustment away from 1x to focus better. Also, the drops are only needed in 4x, otherwise it's point and shoot within 4" or so within center mass. Perfect short range combat scope.
Another great review! I just got my first LPVO a Kahles K16i and I absolutely love it! It’s pricey but in my humble opinion worth it. I also have a astigmatism and it solves that for me completely.
Rick
I was able to look through one once and it's got amazing glass. And thanks for the support man, I appreciate it.
Why they stopped making the 4-16 P4Xi I have no idea. I was lucky enough to buy the last one at Sportsman’s Warehouse and it’s a beast. Steiner has really caught my eye recently.
Steiner makes really excellent equipment and it lasts. I'm eyeballing a few more in the future.
I agree... wanna sell it ?
Fair and helpful review. Thank you. For my particular needs (50 - 250 yards on a small 300BO bolt gun), I think it will do well the price I've found it for.
This will be perfect for that application. Thanks for watching.
I got one this month and like it a lot. The red dot is far better for my 52 year old eyes and the glass quality is great. Got it to the range today to sight it in and am very pleased. Easy to get hits at 200 yard on 1x with the red dot and at 4x was banging out head shots. I'm real happy with this scope. For me, the eye relief is tighter than what other people have said...but maybe that's just me.
The eye relieve hasn't been an issue for me, but mounting location may be contributing to that. I'm not sure. But I did see the eyebox constraints. I will say, this thing definitely hits outside of its weight class. I never feel like I don't have enough optic out to 300 yards or so. Great optic, the king of the 1-4x's in my opinion. If you can get it in the $600 range it's excellent capabilities/quality per dollar.
Great review. Covered things I haven’t seen in other reviews.
Thanks I appreciate it.
Love your vids dude. Honestly very good info and entertainment.
Thanks man, I appreciate it. Just trying to do my best out here with the equipment and experience I have. With my weird sense of humor.
Loved the review! I’ll take one for my SBR, ironically, to replace a red dot. It has the same red dot brightness with so many more features.
Hey dude, great review. I bought this scope from this review. I am pretty suprised what you get for the money, being that the mount I am using is nearly as much as the scope. I do have one issue with the scope, and I am not sure if it's just my example. The illumination turrent has some play side to side. If I am looking at the scope side on and wiggle the turret right or left there is play. It is more noticable looking top down while doing so. I know you only have a sample of one, but is this something normal and I am just being too particular, or is there cause for concern?
You know what's funny, I'm playing with it now after your comment, I have a touch of it as well. I haven't had any issues with it, but now I'm going to keep an eye on it. So mine does in fact do it too, and I appreciate you bringing it to my attention, I don't know how I never felt it before lol. I wouldn't say based on how hard I've been on mine to include an unplanned tumble onto concrete. It's up to you, but mine does it and is still running strong.
Glad you like the optic, and I'm getting the T5Xi 1-5 next to see if it's worth its cult hype on certain parts of the internet. But the other 11.5's I have in my inventory will all be wearing P4Xi's, it's my go to 1-4x optic, and it's much better than a dot/magnifier combo. I'm always impressed with the glass clarity, even after owning /running it this entire time.
@@navyman8903 Thanks for the quick and detailed response man, much appreciated. I just spoke with Steiner CS a little bit ago and they said it's not supposed to be like that. They sent me a return label and I'm debating whether or not it even needs to be "fixed". Since both of ours have the same "issue" I would say it is probably a common enough occurrence, but I cannot find a single mention of it online. Anyway, I will probably send my new shiny back to steiner to get looked at (sigh)... I will definitely give an update after I get it back though. Every manufacturer can release a lemon, no biggy. It's what they do with the customer who bought it that sets manufacturers apart, and we will see how Steiner handles this one.
@@mattalex543 never a problem, thanks for asking the question and bringing it to my attention. I have my VCOG out right now, we will see if I send my Steiner back. Please let me know how it goes. I know it sucks to send something in right after getting it. I do truly love my P4Xi and other things have come and gone that were supposed to be amazing, but this little P4Xi is still holding its own for me. I hope they treat you right and please keep me updated if you don't mind.
Love the work you do man. Does an optic being first or second focal plane matter much to you? I feel like it depends on the reticle and planned use for me.
Something quick and 1-4 SFP is alright if I just need to do fast work, or "oh damn, I have to hit something at 300 yards" But if I need to do high volumes of serious work or unknown ranges, I want FFP. You don't know what power would be best to take a shot at and all of that noise. But I do feel it's set up dependent. I like SFP for some things and FFP for most things.
Your review convinced me to buy the Steiner. If I wanted something slightly better, I would have to buy the Vortex Razor, which now costs between $1,300 and $1,400. As for cost, the Steiner is going for $799.95, or thereabouts, on most websites. However, I just purchased (10/19/21) the Steiner on sale for $649.95, new, which is a good price. The retailer selling the Steiner still has 12 units left at the sale price. Let me know if you want the name of the retailer. I can post it here.
Absolutely. I will always take a tip. Good looking out.
@@navyman8903 YouF*ck keeps deleting my reply. The Name is DFW Sh**ting Sports in Taxas.
@@navyman8903 The company is run by veterans.
@@navyman8903 Steiner is now offering the P4Xi for $649.95 on their site. Place the item in the cart to see the final price.
Shipmate, is the Scarlarworks scope mount worth it or not, I don’t switch optics from rifle to rifle. Picked up the Steiner for a great price and placing it on a 12.5 upper. Salute
I like it for what it is and it hasn't given me any problems. It was the absolute fastest mounting I've done for an LPVO. They are expensive but I found this one for 305 on BDU back in the day. Not sure what they're going for now. But I'm very happy with how mine performed. I'm going to put those P4Xi in a badger 1.70, and use this scalarworks on my R700 SPS tactical with a Meoptia 3-18 ffp. The P4Xi will be perfect for a 12.5. Let me know how that project turns out if you don't mind.
Always good to see you in the comments Shipmate.
If I could find one of these for $400-600 I'd purchase one tomorrow. But as you said at the $800 range I'm gonna hold off. Hopefully they come back down in price again. Great review as always.
Agreed. I think that possibly black Friday sales might bring them down. But there might also be a supply issue this year so....who knows at this point.
Great review! Picked mine up from optics planet on a daily deal for $375. Should’ve gotten 3 like you said!
Straight savage highway robbery. I wish I got on that deal.
@@navyman8903 I was pretty pumped, lol!
Man, when was this?
Great video. What are your thoughts on the meopta optika6 1-6?
Another well thought out review. Appreciate the effort on a scope I think about occasionally and almost purchased about 1.5 years ago. Don't know if you recall me but a couple months ago I asked your opinion re: H&K P30sk. Am thinking about buying one when I move back to Florida from Toronto. The range/s you shoot at remind me of either Daytona or St Augustine where I shoot when staying at my brothers in Palm Coast. Take care. Still thinking of the P30 but am also interested in CZ P 01. Take Care.
Good eye on the ST Aug. Also I would recommend it, FL needs more like minded people. Both pistols will do you right honestly.
I'm sure you're not just chucking it. But do you have experience on Steiner's M8Xi 1-8x24 DMR8i? sagedynamic's video seems like the only place that put itt through its paces. But I found a sweet deal onn onne through expert voice. Not sure to grab it or keep saving for a NF.
i havent been out shooting in like 2 years so i never got to try out my trijicon accupoint...or accupower? i forget what it is but it is a 3-9x40. the steiner p4xi 1-4x24 was one i was looking at real hard at the time.
i just got an eotech xps-2 qd and WOW i like it. still havent shot with it.
liked the eotech so much i ordered the original one for 475.
i just set up a single aa light i wanna pair with the og eotech. it is the streamlight 1l-1aa in a cheap ass vltor mount because i can run aa's, cr123a, and rechargeables of both sizes. gonna be the lightweight low power setup. i can still get 300 lumens out of that setup
the thinking was aa batteries are widely available and cheap. we had a fairly bad power outage in the pnw recently. with all the other natural disasters i think it is a good setup but obviously not my go to.
I can afford the regular razor but not the “E”; do you think it’s worth the extra $400 for the E model or should I just save even more and go with the pst
The lighter weight is nicer. But do what you feel you should. The PST Gen 2 is a pretty solid performer.
Brother I just picked up one of these today. Thanks
Glad to hear it, let me know now you like it after you've used it for a bit.
NAVYMAN8903, Thanks for this review. I wish I could find a P4Xi for $500 to put on my new carbine. It's probably one of the best LPVO's for glass clarity and day bright in the $650 range.
Oh absolutely. I love mine, I'm definitely getting another down the line.
I got mine on Black Friday DEAL 2016 or 2017 for $299
Imagine one has a light-ish 16(AU Mod-1 16") with a T-432 and they are considering LPVO. At $700 would you suggest the P4xi? Or Credo 1-6 FFP? This individual can do MOA with the prism's 1MOA center dot, and can put 5rds/5secs under 1.5MOA also. Being left-handed an offset dot won't work.
I know this is an old vid but if you zero at 4x will the zero stay the same at 1x? I know the holds change with zoom for a sfp but does zero?
Yes the zero changes as well and all LPVOs should really be zeroed at max, but you NEED to zero a SFP at max for it to be correct/true. The 1x performance is approximate anyway.
So 2 years later. How do u feel about this optic? I have an acog ta31 and a leupold mk5 3.5-18. and a cheap ass sig msr. Then all the fancy red dots. I want glass for my light weight 16" that is build for being as light as possible. So this lpvo is ideal I think unless u have one better for around the same weight ? I also like the trijicon accupower triangle dude.
The accupoint has better glass but only by a very small margin. The P4Xi is still an excellent optic in the 17oz category. I highly recommend it. I would never part with mine and it's perfect for my 11.5 to go out to 400-500 yards.
@@navyman8903 yea I like the red dot comparison u used. I only did a quick search but they still seem to be around the mid 800s. At this point do I think I'm the jb economy that's reasonable?
@@martinandrews8496 if you can swing it, yes.
🙋🏻♂️ had it, sold it, bought it back. Sold it again, bought it back again haha! Great content as always
I have a few things like that, I try not to sell them a 3rd time.
If you see this please respond, I’m having a problem deciding on an lpvo. In your personal opinion, is this optic pretty much the best thing for the 650 price range? Thanks
Edit: this optic would be used for LE application and home defense
I would say yes. In the 1-4x catagory? 100% hands down. Hard use in that price bracket? Yes absolutely. Features/FFP or stuff like that, you can find other things in that price bracket, but I'm not sure it's going to hold up like the P4Xi will. You'll also not find too many people who don't like the P4Xi.
@@navyman8903 update: scored one for $599 with taxes and shipped. Thanks for the video and input 👍👍 subbed
TR24 for the win 🏆
The TR24 is really solid.
I was an early adopter of this I got mine when they were like $400 with a throw lever.
The golden age long since past unfortunately. I paid $606 for mine.
Sell it to me?
I’m torn between buying one of these or a viper pst 1-6. Similar prices now, Steiner comes with a lever, vortex does not. Hmmnnn
My buddy loves his PST 1-6 and a few other dudes I know like it. I really want FFP on a 1-6 but I also can't refute the performance of the Vortex. That said, I really really really love this P4Xi and it fits my criteria. It is for most applications my red dot replacement and it gives me 4x/confident engagements out to 300 yards. Which is something for sure. 6x, you can push out farther. But again, my criteria for a 6x is to have FFP so I can take shots without math at 3x 4x 5x or 6x. So I can get better FOV if I need it. I prefer the Trijicon CREDO so far for my 1-6. But that's for me, your application requirements might be different. BUT you're right in there for the optics I would recommend for that price range.
Best LPVO I own....$299 on Black Friday deal back in 2016 or 2017 ...I forget lol....wish I bought the max of 5
For real man. I wish I bought a bunch before. They're great optics.
I have been looking for a lightweight optic that's not from China even though I really like the acss raptor , I have a lightweight bcm build I want to keep fairly light I bought a geissle because I had a 35 percent off coupon but it's not 17 ounces not even close and I don't want to spend a grand so I'm still looking. $800 seems alot for a 1x4 .
BDU has them for $606 right now, that's the cheapest I've found, but I could do another look and see. I think $600 is fair, but not a deal. Sometimes you can find them for cheap on sale, but you have to FIND them. I'm really happy with this optic as a whole and every time I use it I'm happy with it.
I got a T5, and the reticle is blinking. Assuming the battery is low? Wondering where i get a replacement
Yes and Amazon has that battery. I have a bunch I got from Amazon. Also how do you like your T5Xi? I'm looking into getting one since I like the P4Xi so much.
@@navyman8903 I can't seem to find any listings on Amazon. And to be honest haven't used it in a while but I'm about to switch it from my AR-10 to AR-15. Super nice optic, the magnification adjustment is super tight though, I don't really mind it.
Edit: I found the right battery :)
@@money96plyr it's a CR2450 battery. www.amazon.com/s?k=cr2450+3v+lithium+battery&crid=1LK64DUGG7NPG&sprefix=CR2450%2Caps%2C308&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_3_6
@@navyman8903 I just found it right as you replied lol. I appreciate it
@@money96plyr no stress at all, happy to help. Thanks for the feedback on the optic I appreciate it. I like the P3TR reticles in the 1-4 and certainly 1-5 when I get it for a CQC red dot/magnifier replacement. They don't weigh a ton for an LPVO and the glass is clear. So it's an easy choice for me.
I love this optic in a high end mount I was thinking the same thing is the Scalar a super light mount does it feel like that or is it not much different than say a ADM?🤯🔫🧨
Scalarworks makes the best mounts on the market. Extremely well priced, holds zero if you remove it and put it back on, lightweight, rugged and high quality overall. I’ve used OEM mounts from Trijicon MRO and Aimpoint CompM5 and they are garbage. The bonus on the scope mounts is the self leveling pin when you mount a scope. I have one on my ATACR 1-8 and love it. I’ve used a friend’s geissele mount on his T2 and we tested the zero hold and requiring a tool already sucks and the zero hold was fine but also weighs more than a scalarworks in the same optic holder model and height, I also used a reptilia from a different friend and while a little lighter still needs a tool/case to screw it in and is ok at zero hold as well. The Scalarworks mount is the standard by which all others are judged against. The Geissele is nice but for 10 bucks more you get a Scalarworks red dot mount that is more aesthetically pleasing and the Reptilia is lighter but isn’t as good at holding zero as the other two. None of my friends have a proper scope mount for me to compare to but the Geissele has obnoxious knobs on the side and you have to use a level to mount. Get the Scalarworks man. You won’t be disappointed, plus if you bundle the optic with it, it’s actually cheaper than buying the optic and mount separate.
I have tried them all. I paid $700 for the Steiner 1X4 and I must say it’s by far the best for me. Lower weight...great eye box and 33ft submersion.
I put an offset mount (Holosun 507) red dot, with the circle reticle while I keep the Steiner on four power..I love the setup!
Sounds like a great setup and pretty fast at whatever you need it for.
Just grabbed an open box deal from euro optic for 550 on one. Going to throw her on my LWRC IC DI 16.1" whenever she arrives.
IPX7: Immersion (1 meter or less). Up to 3 ft 3 in (1 meter). Test lasts 30 minutes, with depth of 39 inches (1000 mm).
No wonder they didn't want to just spell that out. "1 meter or less." Jeez.
Is the P4Xi worth the $800 price tag it's now commanding?
I wouldn't go too much over $600-650. If you're ready to buy now, Euro optic is having a sale and Big daddy unlimited has them for low $600.
What phone app are you using to show the drops??
Strelok +
Why does all the p4xi literature state that it has only 110' fov @ 1x? Yet everyone claims it's 120'+?
I think it was a misprint.
Love the P4xi. My manic booger hook has quivered over the buy now button on this one a few times. Each time, I upsold myself to something else like Trijicon and Vortex Razor 1-6's. I like the simplicity, and I used to like the $450 price it used to be. The American market is sleeping on Steiner optics in general. They like them shit$ in Europe.
They really are great. I really love this thing and I might get 1 more for a different project, but I'm also looking at their T5Xi 1-5 because I hear it's like the P4Xi but better. With Schott glass and a better eye relief. I'm not huge on the price tag though. We shall see.
You need to try the meopta zd 1-4. It is better then the Steiner but just slightly. Has better coatings, more QC time, more rugged, better glass (ive done side by side). is 1-4x22 compared to 1-4x24 which means it has more metal on the tube because it is a 30mm. Has a 111 ft field of view and the reticle is VERY daylight bright and is bad ass. The eyebox is more forgiving. its like 9.5 inches long too. It is by far the best scope no one talks about.
Those are more expensive though right?
@@navyman8903 they are. They put alot into making them rugged and the electronics that control illumination are alot better, very similiar to the Steiner 1-5. The p4xi was a $400 optic and is built on a tiny budget. Only reaoson the price went up is because of tarrifs and trade deals.
Does anyone know where these are manufactured? China or USA
USA with German glass.
This versus ACOG?
Damm too bad on the price hike. Looking for something to throw on a DD m4 v7 pro. It's down to a 1x6 vortex viper or a led Accog. Simplicity to shoot close or at a little distance is the goal.
I think the 1-6 Viper PST is a solid optic for the price, a lot of guys I know run them and love them. I'm still hard on the P4Xi price train.
I'm sure you've already bought something, but EuroOptic has Demo p4xi's for 650.
What's that intro song? Love It!
Direct link is in the description.
@@navyman8903 thanks man
Is that a 1.57 or 1.93 leap mount?
IT's a 1.57 aka absolute height.
What do those mounts cost these days?
I Have one, zeroed it 1x at 50m then turned to 4x and shot a group and had a shift in POI 3.5” high.
Then zeroed at 4x at 50m turned it to 1x shot another group and had the same shift but low.
Anyone else experienced this issue?
Steiner took it back stated they couldn’t not replicate this shift. Getting it back tomorrow.
You have to zero it on 4x for the zero to be true. Being a Second focal plane your zero is only perfect on the magnification you zero it at. When you zero it on 4x the BDC is true vs 3x or 2x or 1x. The center is almost the same. But I showed that in the video. I forget the time stamp. But short story long, zero it on 4x at 50 yards. You'll be good to go.
@@navyman8903 thanks for following up. For a “duty use” that POI shift I experienced was not acceptable as I’d have to account for hold overs within 50m. I’ll get it back to the range and take your advice when zeroing. Also a different range due to the indoor one the targets where on retractable tracks. I’m assuming that also through it off not being exact placenta each time I sent the target back.
@@lojr2 Well make sure you zero at 4x. When it is, you can run it with some expectation of accuracy at 1x. But it will be the most precise and accurate at 4x. Be it at 50 yard or 50M zero. You can also download STRELOK Plus and use that. IT's the app I used to generate the reticle images/hold overs you see in the video: 18:00
@@navyman8903 thanks for the follow up. In talking to Steiner the center crosshairs after zeroed at 50m @ 4x/should be the same poa/poi at 1x @50m. have almost a 4” drop at 1x.
@@lojr2 The zero is only true at 4x. IT's close/useable at 1x. But I get the expectation, and had it myself until I used it at different ranges with different mags to test it out.
The point about it not being a “sniper optic” is important. One problem I had with it, particularly early on, has been difficulty in shooting really tight groups on small targets, because the heavy reticle actually tends to obscure said targets. So for a long time I had mixed feelings about my P4Xi. When I stopped fixating on trying to use it to shoot sub-MOA groups (which I have done with it, just not consistently) and use it more like it is intended to be used, I find I like it a lot more.
Yup, it's a lesson I sometimes have to learn multiple times. Over aiming and trying to get sub MOA out of it isn't what it's for like you're saying. Getting effective hits at range? Absolutely. But stacking a .75 moa group at 200 yards isn't it.
I remember buying mine on Amazon for $500 with a throw lever a few years back
You beat me, I got this thing for $600. I feel it's worth that but I would have loved for it to be cheaper.
@@navyman8903 The sporting goods store I worked for had them for sale around the same time for $899, so I figured something was wrong and I jumped at the price.
Feel like selling? :)
Wished I picked one up when they were around $400, I got a vortex viper pst gen 2 instead which I’m very happy with.
My buddy has a PST gen 2 1-6 he really likes. He keeps bothering me to give it a shot. Maybe one day. I really do love this steiner though.
Alright….I’m gonna need a source on that lifeguard
Lisa Ann
If it were 1-6 or 1-8 I could get on board. But 1-4 is just eh. I’d rather grab a vortex pst or razor.
Price is being driven by the following:
1. Inflation
2. Falling value of the dollar
3. Supply chain shortages
4. Expensive German glass
5. Increased demand
If the glass were made by Leica, this optic could easily cost $3,000. Germans make the best glass in the world. That's why it costs so much.
I got mine 2018 for $400. Sucks we are living in the clown economy in present day.
Agreed. I wish I bought 3 or 4 of them back in the day.
I got mine in 2017 with a Midwest Industries QD mount for $489. I cant believe how high they are now..just saw one at Optics
Planet for $899. 😮
"Someone in the comments section will figure it out with science and shit" lol
Swampfox IPX-7 is... wait for it.... One single meter, for 30mins.
Just picked this up w a badger condition one for 775.
That's a steal. I would be very happy with that deal.
Where? That's the mount i want/ Was it used?
This or credo hx 1-6
Completely dependant upon multiple factors. Rifle length and cartridge choice? Price? I wouldn't ever pay over 700 for the steiner.... Even so, it's still the best 1x-4x LPVO on the market. I can put down cleaner groups with my p4xi than I can with my PA SLx 1x-6x and my Vortex Strike Eagle 1x-8x. The clarity from the 4x steiner is next to none.
8 pounds is definitely good but not realistic if your running a 16' with a white light and ir laser illuminator and maybe a can. The more practical weight with that would be 10 or 11 pounds. Like I said it all depends on what your running.
Wait 17 oz optic plus 5 oz mount came to over 32 oz what the hell i suck at math?!?!🤯🔫🍄
The original price was worth it. They saw a big money jump and it's lost its luster
600 is top dollar for me. It performs at the 900 level, but there are better optics at the price point. One of the few optics I would buy used and perfect for an 11.5" ar15 or something you want to keep light/handy.
for 900 dollars you're crazy to not buy a used razor 1-6 lol
Yes, but when you mount it your at the price of a new razor. Or a razor bundle from Geissele. And the weight is perfect on this setup. IT does exactly what I need it to, and well. But I get your point.
@@navyman8903 definitely not knocking this optic. I bought it for 600 off EuroOptic as a demo model. Best 1-4 sub 1k hands down.