“The danger with people like him…is that we put them on pedestals. They become symbols. Icons. *And then we start to forget about their flaws”* -Baron Zemo, MCU
3hours that felt like 20 minutes. I left wanting more and imagining what a director's cut would be like. I will happily purchase an extended version if they bless us with one.
While I agree with you, Denis Villeneuve already stated that he won’t release any extended cut because „what’s out is out“ for the sake of consistency in storytelling. Dune has incredible pacing, no scene feels wasted or boring. Extraordinary filmmaking at every level
I remember trying to explain to my friend why my favorite part of the first movie is Paul spending his last evening on Caladin walking the beach. It’s a moment that captures Pauls last day before he touches Arrakeen sand and sets the universe on fire.
He looked so sad when he said that, but he knew he had to. A subtle reminder that this was the only path he saw for humanity to survive and he didn't want to go down it.
@@Leppalimes actually no, he sees visions and is also convinced that he is the saviour, well he could REALLY BE, as people in past could have seen visions of him as a saviour so they predicted his coming as Mehdi
This side of paul is what makes his character so interesting. Wanting to do good but w partially selfish intentions and manipulation from his mothers doing.
After he drank the water he doesn’t care about doing good anymore he’s intentionally manipulating the firemen and everyone else around him to get what he wants. He wanted to do good, now he’s fully delved into being a dictator like villain.
@@Despotic_Waffle i dont think so. If paul wanted solely revenge he would have killed the emperor and irulan and be done with it. But he drank the water of life. Becoming the emperor was the only way , paul could ensure his mother and his sister to be born will be safe. In the opening minutes of the movie , he is clearly worrying about he is gonna fix things before his sister’s arrival.
For all those who want more, read or listen to the audiobooks by Frank Herbert. DUNE truly is excellent. You'll be able to better see what Denis Villeneuve was aiming for, and appreciate all the subtle details he imbued in this visual Masterclass.
The scene shot from above as Paul moves through the huge crowd of Freman is a visual reference to him being the Kwisatz Haderach. In Dune part 1 Mohiam says "Like sifting sand through a screen we sift people". The scene from above resembles grains of sand with Paul sifting through them but being separate because he is the Kwisatz Haderach that the Bene Gesserit have been working towards all those years.
@@chumby2447 hmmm I think that is arguable, his son LETO was certainly the KH but that was because Paul did not embrace or accept what prescience tells him he must whereas his son does and become The Tyrant or The God Emperor.
To add - the Dune wiki says it better... As Kwisatz Haderach, both Paul and his son Leto would at times experience significant grief because they knew they were trapped by their own destinies. The Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam tells Paul when she first meets him that the spice melange allowed the Bene Gesserit Reverend Mother to unlock genetic memory, but only that of their female ancestors. The masculine side of their ancestry represented a place in their consciousness that repelled and terrorized them. A Kwisatz Haderach would be a male Bene Gesserit who would have access to the memories of both his male and female ancestors as well as an ability to bridge space and time with prescient ability. Therefore it is widely acknowledged that Paul was the KH (the first one) and Leto was also the KH (the second one).
@@chumby2447 I need to add more to this. Not sure how anyone can really think that. While the Lisan Al-Gaib is a planted prophecy by the Bene Gesserit that Jessica (and Paul) take advantage of, it is actually, ironically, a self-fulfilling prophecy. Paul IS the Kwisatz Haderach because when he takes the water of life, he not only survives but it awakens his other memories and prescience. If he was not the KH he would have died but instead he is everything the BG have been working towards, except a generation early and not within their control!
Interesting that in the opening scene to the first film, Chani asks the audience “And who will our next oppressors be?” Then you watch the end of this film, and you find out her next oppressor is someone who she was so close to, someone she loved, but also someone who used religion to manipulate her people, someone who succumbed to the corrupt Bene Gesserit prophecy by drinking the water of life, and someone who is in constant pursuit of power and domination, forcing the Fremen into a holy war all in the name of Paul, so he can gain power. The fact that Paul promises he will love her as long as he breathes yet goes immediately for Irulan is heartbreaking for her.
If anything it's a careful what you wish for kind of thing. The freman want to take back their world back and restore it to what it was, but the reality is the only way for that to happen is through an ocean of blood.
But he was literally bred to do this, would jesus be that special if you could put him in a test tube and clone him? That's what Paul is a test-tube messiah who manipulated a population with social engineering into committing mass murder and genocide. Closer to a science experiment gone wrong than a messiah.
I still dont understand why the movie doesnt show us the visions Paul has during the last scenes. Having read the books, I know during the duel with Fayd-Rautha Paul has visions showing him that the outcome of the duel doesnt matter; the Holy war will happen no matter what. When Paul says his last line (send them to paradise) it's not clear what is the future he sees that compels him to say that.
The thing is: He is a tragic fate. He never wanted to be a prophet or messiah yet the circumstances of the war, the lies, the deception, the assassination attempts and then finally the prophecy of the Fremen and the madness like pushing of some of its believers almost left no other path open for him than to accept this future and finally embrace it. Deep down he never wanted it but honor and heritage are giving him no other choice so he chose to embrace and fully live it in the end.
As someone who's only seen the movies, it's fascinating seeing his conviction as he says the word paradise, when we've seen nothing but destruction within his visions. Maybe they didn't show some revelation when he drank the water of life, but from what they've shown us he's falsely claiming something he's not seen once.
He did see that. The failure is not on him and his action individually, but on the idea of him, the idea of needing to create a "messiah". The breeding program created him as the messiah, yet the power and ability he possesses could never lead to the promising future that the bene gesserit envision. It's doomed to fail and could only fail bc an omnipotent prophet and prescience would only be an obstacle to the advancement of humanity
Actually he is the Kwisatz Haderach and has total prescience. He can see all past and future and has supernatural powers. So no, he is not a false prophet. He was pursuing what Herbert called the terrible purpose in his books. It meant that war was the only way for human race to survive through the scattering of genes. Also Paul had to follow the Golden Path, but he recoiled from it and let the responsibilty fall on his son's shoulders. I regret that Denis Villeneuve's movie is giving way to a myriad of videos from people who did not read the books and misinterpret what is going on.
I agree. These movies dropped the most interesting parts of the book and replaced it with the generic and banal. I'd add one thing though: Paul didn't want the jihad to happen, but knew that there was no way of stopping it, even if he sacrificed himself.
It’s unfortunate that you read the book and still don’t seem to understand Herbert’s main thesis - that charismatic, messianic figures are tyrants in disguise and that people should be wary of a Paul Atreides in the first place, or that blind faith in such people can and will lead to mass death. In this case, more than 60 billion of them.
My guy Herbert had to make it known to his audience that paul isnt the good guy because there are readers who still taught that he was the good guy after reading dune
So from my perspective, dune emperor is so weak. Because he cannot eliminate his enemy fully and lost his throne. But emperor palpatine of star wars played 4d chess play both sides and killed his enemy (the jedi order) and ruled the galaxy for almost 23 years. So Dune emperor must learn from palpatine (Darth sidious )
Thing is he made Arrakis green so to them he was the prophet they were right to be loyal to, as that is what they wanted. His son pretty much tore down the system and manipulated people to stop believing/dependant and go spread out to the stars following their own way which included Arrakis becoming a sand dune again while he technically spends the rest of his life enjoying being without responsibilities as a sand worm.
The difference between prophecy and truth is will. Just because you said a thing would happen does it become less true if you make it happen? Paul made a choice, and his son did everything he was still too sentimental to do. Paul chose to die rather than walk the Golden Path himself.
This song was for one of the many heirs of Paul, and it is suited to him, too: 🎼 All I ever wanted to do was do right things I never wanted to be the king, I swear” 🎶🎶 “All I ever wanted to do was save your life I never wanted to grab a knife, I swear”🎵
But he's not a prophet by the traditional sense. He isn't divine, he isn't sent by God. He is a product of engineering and planning that spans centuries. The myths that support his coming are made up by the Bene Gesserit, and his birth and training are also made by them (well, his mother mostly) to fulfill said "prophecy". But does he still work? Well, yea. In the end he does have prescience and he does predict the future of humanity. He finds the one path to survive extinction and he does lead the Fremen and Atreides to rule the universe. He's not a prophet, but he might as well be.
@@zathary564the divine prophet sent by God is part of that engineering, it is the marketing of it. The Bene Gesserite are in real life the Jew, and Fremen are the Sunni the Jew created to destroy Christianity which is Rome turned into a Religion following their destruction of the 2nd Temple.
@@zathary564anti-religion is an overarching theme of the book. The author doesn't believe in the promise of an omnipotent prophet. Paul is as close to that as possible but he is doomed to bring disaster, not because he is bad or not powerful enough, but precisely because of the power and ability he possesses
J.L. Borges says in his book Oral: "Literature is an extension of memory and imagination." When you think you are going to see the image that the Director and his team are developing, you have to interact with the reaction of those who are witnessing the scene. Villeneuve gives us the opportunity and invites us to participate, create, imagine, build in our minds... a universe of infinite possibilities. He is a Whisperer of Worlds!
The story of Paul is complicated. He is not a "false" Prophet. He is a "manufactured" Prophet. The Bene Gesserit planted the idea of a "messiah" or Prophet on Arakis. So again, Paul filled the role. Did it better than they expected. And did "free" the Fremen. So not really false. Just different than anyone expected. Thanks for the great video. The other comments are right. Excellent work.
IMO he became a self fulfilling prophecy. The Lisan Al Gaib may have been a manufactured story in service to the Bene Gesserit but Paul was the Kwisatz Haderach and ultimately did fulfil what the prophecy said the prophet would do. So then you can argue that the prophecy was actually real all along and the Bene Gesserit had unwittingly unleashed it because they though they had final control over all things.
@@JayPotton Yes. The Prophecy was fulfilled. The mechanism it was setup for was triggered by the arrival of Paul and Jessica to Arakis. You bring up a good point. Paul was also the Kwisatz Haderach. That was not part of the Prophecy. That and the Lisan Al Gaib served separate purposes. The Bene Gesserit did not expect or want those two entities to be the same person. They lost control of both.
But yes, he was a Mesiah because they wanted to have forests and more water, he did it so he was a Mesiah for them. And i personally think Kwizatz Haderach was the same as Lisan al Gaib, because the Benegesserit created the prophecy for them to think that tgeir Kwizatz Haderach is their Mesiah (Lisan al Gaib).
Even if that Prophecy doesn't exist. The Fremen's thousands years of agony, suffering, oppression should be addressed with hope. I don't see any problem that's human nature. So adressing the story with galse prophet, or message like beware of heros will not echo with anyone. Just for hesitators. Or willingly slaves.
Well no Paul is suppose to be an anti hero in the books and movies but people keep saying hes the bad guy and the villain and that is getting really annoying
I think the point is the breeding program created an actual prophet, as real as it could be, but it still leads to devastating consequence, even worse outcome actually. Hence the author invalidates the promise of a prophet and messiah. Prescience is an obstacle to the advancement of humanity and free will
He is, a vilain, in some ways, he “Paul” is trying to do good, doing bad things, he is, a unique character, Writer of dune, wanted to make the point be to not blindly follow charasmatic leaders like paul, and this is based off largely ww2. Paul completed a jihad, yes his kids control the universe but he is evil, im not sure how to explain it further.
That's what blurs the lines. He seems to be a Messiah cause it's all falling into place, but everything that's allowed him to accomplish what he's accomplished can be explained with reason, not divine force. He's been a victim of circumstance that is garnering blind faith, and he's gaining ultimate power in the process.
Maybe so - if the "savior" is someone who also oppresses them, uses them to slaughter billions in the name of revenge, destroys their culture, and then walks away leaving them to be utterly dominated for thousands of years by his son...
He isn't the false prophet..things he do were true all long..started becoming true as he waked the path he was meant for..just like in real world prophecy..few people believed and few people ignored yet those prophecy came true...
They dumbed the whole point of Dune with the second part. I loved the first part, it lead me to the books. I couldn't wait to the second part to come... And when it did I leaved the cinema dissapointed.
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@@SenatePalpatinetroller time for your medications
No think the same with the Harkonnens chasing you 😛
Gurney Halleck looks like a proud dad when Paul started talking about leto during his speech to the fremen
Gurney technically becomes Paul's step dad after Paul gives him rulership of caladan and Jessica joins him there and he becomes her lover
@@achillesrodriguezxx3958 😂that's so wierd( her becoming Gurney's lover )but okay lady Jessica 😂😂😂
Im sure that's not gonna happen in the movie lol @@_dreamy.light_
@@achillesrodriguezxx3958when and where does any of that happen in the book? Because I don’t ever remember reading that
@@jimhoover7345 There are rumors in Children of Dune, but I'm reading yet, so for me is just rumors.. for now
3hours that felt like 20 minutes. I left wanting more and imagining what a director's cut would be like.
I will happily purchase an extended version if they bless us with one.
While I agree with you, Denis Villeneuve already stated that he won’t release any extended cut because „what’s out is out“ for the sake of consistency in storytelling. Dune has incredible pacing, no scene feels wasted or boring. Extraordinary filmmaking at every level
I remember trying to explain to my friend why my favorite part of the first movie is Paul spending his last evening on Caladin walking the beach. It’s a moment that captures Pauls last day before he touches Arrakeen sand and sets the universe on fire.
One of the best sci-fi movies I have seen
One of the best period
There isn’t much science involved. It more of a fantasy genre like Lord of the Rings.
@@thisismyname007LOL. That’s why the genre is called science FICTION. 🤡
@@thisismyname007is there science in alien, blade runner etc, and they are the goats of sci-fi. Don’t be sayin that bro
@@thisismyname007 It's a fictional story with technology and animals/religion we haven't and will probably never see. It's sci-fi
Bro i dont think anyone realized it, he no longer does the fremen walk to avoid the sand worms, bro casually walking through the desert.
because only LISAN AL GAIB can do that
He probably knows he won't be killed by a worm so it doesn't really matter
@@stanpines9011 it is, he knows when a worm comes
"Lead them to paradise..."
He looked so sad when he said that, but he knew he had to. A subtle reminder that this was the only path he saw for humanity to survive and he didn't want to go down it.
@@Leppalimes actually no, he sees visions and is also convinced that he is the saviour, well he could REALLY BE, as people in past could have seen visions of him as a saviour so they predicted his coming as Mehdi
absolutely amazing bro
Thanks boy🫡
That's high praise from the Lisan al Gaib of editing!
In such a short clip you encapsulated the essence of Dune Part 2.
Well done.
Thank you!
This side of paul is what makes his character so interesting. Wanting to do good but w partially selfish intentions and manipulation from his mothers doing.
i mean who doesnt want to be a king? in pauls case he gets to be the emperor of the known universe.
After he drank the water he doesn’t care about doing good anymore he’s intentionally manipulating the firemen and everyone else around him to get what he wants. He wanted to do good, now he’s fully delved into being a dictator like villain.
@souvikmondal6161 the main motivation is revenge for his father and house
It's a matter of survival for him. If he doesn't do this, Arakkis would fall with all the Fremen. It's only a matter of time.
@@Despotic_Waffle i dont think so. If paul wanted solely revenge he would have killed the emperor and irulan and be done with it. But he drank the water of life. Becoming the emperor was the only way , paul could ensure his mother and his sister to be born will be safe. In the opening minutes of the movie , he is clearly worrying about he is gonna fix things before his sister’s arrival.
One of the best Cinematic expieriences ever, very Epic Edit, great Job🔥
Thanks friend!
literally best edit ive seen
Perfect compliment friend🙌
You deserve it 😁 you did a very good job @@panosdks
@@panosdksPaul's lines during the war council scene are really powerful.
For all those who want more, read or listen to the audiobooks by Frank Herbert. DUNE truly is excellent. You'll be able to better see what Denis Villeneuve was aiming for, and appreciate all the subtle details he imbued in this visual Masterclass.
My favorite book I’ve ever read
Where can I find audio books of dune, please?
Warner Bros can’t stop all these fire edits 😎🔥
One of the best Paul edits.
The best cut I have seen so far
The scene shot from above as Paul moves through the huge crowd of Freman is a visual reference to him being the Kwisatz Haderach. In Dune part 1 Mohiam says "Like sifting sand through a screen we sift people". The scene from above resembles grains of sand with Paul sifting through them but being separate because he is the Kwisatz Haderach that the Bene Gesserit have been working towards all those years.
Except, he isn’t that’s the idea, we that read the books know what’s coming, while Paul is Lisan Al-Gaib he is not the Kwisatz Haderach
@@chumby2447 hmmm I think that is arguable, his son LETO was certainly the KH but that was because Paul did not embrace or accept what prescience tells him he must whereas his son does and become The Tyrant or The God Emperor.
To add - the Dune wiki says it better... As Kwisatz Haderach, both Paul and his son Leto would at times experience significant grief because they knew they were trapped by their own destinies.
The Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam tells Paul when she first meets him that the spice melange allowed the Bene Gesserit Reverend Mother to unlock genetic memory, but only that of their female ancestors. The masculine side of their ancestry represented a place in their consciousness that repelled and terrorized them. A Kwisatz Haderach would be a male Bene Gesserit who would have access to the memories of both his male and female ancestors as well as an ability to bridge space and time with prescient ability.
Therefore it is widely acknowledged that Paul was the KH (the first one) and Leto was also the KH (the second one).
@@chumby2447 I need to add more to this. Not sure how anyone can really think that. While the Lisan Al-Gaib is a planted prophecy by the Bene Gesserit that Jessica (and Paul) take advantage of, it is actually, ironically, a self-fulfilling prophecy. Paul IS the Kwisatz Haderach because when he takes the water of life, he not only survives but it awakens his other memories and prescience. If he was not the KH he would have died but instead he is everything the BG have been working towards, except a generation early and not within their control!
This is beyond incredible as always, my friend!!
Thanks bro
61 billion dead
In his name
He was the only thing his father ever needed him to be
And the one thing his father never wanted anyone to be
absolutely brilliant man
Thanks!
Interesting that in the opening scene to the first film, Chani asks the audience “And who will our next oppressors be?” Then you watch the end of this film, and you find out her next oppressor is someone who she was so close to, someone she loved, but also someone who used religion to manipulate her people, someone who succumbed to the corrupt Bene Gesserit prophecy by drinking the water of life, and someone who is in constant pursuit of power and domination, forcing the Fremen into a holy war all in the name of Paul, so he can gain power. The fact that Paul promises he will love her as long as he breathes yet goes immediately for Irulan is heartbreaking for her.
great edit and music too
Glad you enjoyed it
He’s not a false prophet. He’s exactly who they were waiting for.
But they were waiting for him becouse brainwashed from the bene gesserit, the same one who were creating him
If anything it's a careful what you wish for kind of thing. The freman want to take back their world back and restore it to what it was, but the reality is the only way for that to happen is through an ocean of blood.
He's not the kwizatsch haderach.
@@Warcodered01Ocean of blood is a genius way to put it
Best edit yet for dune 2
Visions of the future, surviving the water of life and male bene gesserit. As close to a messiah as you can get.
All fabricated and weaponised by the Bene Gesserit missionaries and breeding program.
That’s what I’m saying. Like…he kinda IS the Mahdi
@@Lamenters1stCompanyCptit just so happens that the Lisan Al Gaib itself was not the best prophecy lmao.
But he was literally bred to do this, would jesus be that special if you could put him in a test tube and clone him? That's what Paul is a test-tube messiah who manipulated a population with social engineering into committing mass murder and genocide. Closer to a science experiment gone wrong than a messiah.
I still dont understand why the movie doesnt show us the visions Paul has during the last scenes. Having read the books, I know during the duel with Fayd-Rautha Paul has visions showing him that the outcome of the duel doesnt matter; the Holy war will happen no matter what. When Paul says his last line (send them to paradise) it's not clear what is the future he sees that compels him to say that.
I just saw this again yesterday and watching this is making me want to watch it all over 🔥🔥
Gotta love how “Lead them to paradise” has the same meaning as “Drag them through hell.”
45 years ago before any of the movies we used to call Dune "Star Wars for adults".
Yup!
The thing is: He is a tragic fate. He never wanted to be a prophet or messiah yet the circumstances of the war, the lies, the deception, the assassination attempts and then finally the prophecy of the Fremen and the madness like pushing of some of its believers almost left no other path open for him than to accept this future and finally embrace it. Deep down he never wanted it but honor and heritage are giving him no other choice so he chose to embrace and fully live it in the end.
I don’t care what you believe! I believe!
As someone who's only seen the movies, it's fascinating seeing his conviction as he says the word paradise, when we've seen nothing but destruction within his visions. Maybe they didn't show some revelation when he drank the water of life, but from what they've shown us he's falsely claiming something he's not seen once.
He did see that. The failure is not on him and his action individually, but on the idea of him, the idea of needing to create a "messiah". The breeding program created him as the messiah, yet the power and ability he possesses could never lead to the promising future that the bene gesserit envision. It's doomed to fail and could only fail bc an omnipotent prophet and prescience would only be an obstacle to the advancement of humanity
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Hes not a false prophet. He is exactly what the people were hoping for
y’all have to understand I am not a false Prophet It’s deeper than that
"I AM PAUL MUAD DIB ATREIDES. DUKE OF ARRAKIS." man, that line gives me chills every time! Excellent video.
Thank you!
Actually he is the Kwisatz Haderach and has total prescience. He can see all past and future and has supernatural powers. So no, he is not a false prophet. He was pursuing what Herbert called the terrible purpose in his books. It meant that war was the only way for human race to survive through the scattering of genes. Also Paul had to follow the Golden Path, but he recoiled from it and let the responsibilty fall on his son's shoulders. I regret that Denis Villeneuve's movie is giving way to a myriad of videos from people who did not read the books and misinterpret what is going on.
He does become egotistical and he does let the power corrupt him tho
I agree. These movies dropped the most interesting parts of the book and replaced it with the generic and banal.
I'd add one thing though: Paul didn't want the jihad to happen, but knew that there was no way of stopping it, even if he sacrificed himself.
@@Trebor6127 because the message that Herbert intended got lost in the first book.
It’s unfortunate that you read the book and still don’t seem to understand Herbert’s main thesis - that charismatic, messianic figures are tyrants in disguise and that people should be wary of a Paul Atreides in the first place, or that blind faith in such people can and will lead to mass death. In this case, more than 60 billion of them.
My guy Herbert had to make it known to his audience that paul isnt the good guy because there are readers who still taught that he was the good guy after reading dune
I want dune to continue as a tv show until we get Leto II Atreides. Shit will literally bamboozle people
The amount of people misunderstanding Paul’s being a false prophet in the comments is wild…
Crazy edit
Glad you enjoyed it
So from my perspective, dune emperor is so weak. Because he cannot eliminate his enemy fully and lost his throne. But emperor palpatine of star wars played 4d chess play both sides and killed his enemy (the jedi order) and ruled the galaxy for almost 23 years. So Dune emperor must learn from palpatine (Darth sidious )
He didn’t want any of this.
Dune is EPIC
This video should have this huge "SPOILER WARNING" banner at the start. 😂😂😂
Thing is he made Arrakis green so to them he was the prophet they were right to be loyal to, as that is what they wanted.
His son pretty much tore down the system and manipulated people to stop believing/dependant and go spread out to the stars following their own way which included Arrakis becoming a sand dune again while he technically spends the rest of his life enjoying being without responsibilities as a sand worm.
absolute banger wow
Thank you!
✨ Green Paradise ✨💕💖
Some people think he’s Luke or Neo, he’s not.
So amazing
he sounds like Eren Yeager
Keep up the hope people...
Ten thousand years and still the same old shit!
The difference between prophecy and truth is will. Just because you said a thing would happen does it become less true if you make it happen? Paul made a choice, and his son did everything he was still too sentimental to do. Paul chose to die rather than walk the Golden Path himself.
Nice scene. I used this scene for a music video for the NIRVANA soundtrack. Yesterday I posted it on my channel.
Paul atreides is based 🔥💯
This song was for one of the many heirs of Paul, and it is suited to him, too:
🎼 All I ever wanted to do was do right things
I never wanted to be the king, I swear”
🎶🎶
“All I ever wanted to do was save your life
I never wanted to grab a knife, I swear”🎵
The thing about this is...he is not a false prophet, he literally is the prophet, he sees the future.
But he's not a prophet by the traditional sense. He isn't divine, he isn't sent by God. He is a product of engineering and planning that spans centuries. The myths that support his coming are made up by the Bene Gesserit, and his birth and training are also made by them (well, his mother mostly) to fulfill said "prophecy".
But does he still work? Well, yea. In the end he does have prescience and he does predict the future of humanity. He finds the one path to survive extinction and he does lead the Fremen and Atreides to rule the universe.
He's not a prophet, but he might as well be.
@@zathary564the divine prophet sent by God is part of that engineering, it is the marketing of it. The Bene Gesserite are in real life the Jew, and Fremen are the Sunni the Jew created to destroy Christianity which is Rome turned into a Religion following their destruction of the 2nd Temple.
@@zathary564anti-religion is an overarching theme of the book. The author doesn't believe in the promise of an omnipotent prophet. Paul is as close to that as possible but he is doomed to bring disaster, not because he is bad or not powerful enough, but precisely because of the power and ability he possesses
I loved the first movie but the second one was a masterpiece
where did you get this clear version of the movie?
I want to rewatch it again but it's not in my city no more.
I must say they cooked it very hard
Paul: Ire Iduna Isa Nadi Ni Lisan Al Gaib
Aruh An Ni Pira Alo Ashidi!
Fremen : LISAN AL GAIB!!!
Nice one.
and he is... wait for leto II
I can't wait to see this movie bruh
It’s the best I’ve ever seen in theaters.
Is it a false profit who delivers on the prophecy? Or just a manufactured one.
Courtesy of centuries of oppression. Long live the fremen 💚
J.L. Borges says in his book Oral:
"Literature is an extension of memory and imagination."
When you think you are going to see the image that the Director and his team are developing, you have to interact with the reaction of those who are witnessing the scene. Villeneuve gives us the opportunity and invites us to participate, create, imagine, build in our minds... a universe of infinite possibilities. He is a Whisperer of Worlds!
Hand of God be My Witness…
It’s not so much about being a false prophet. But that every one is a human, so are prophets, true or false.
The story of Paul is complicated. He is not a "false" Prophet. He is a "manufactured" Prophet. The Bene Gesserit planted the idea of a "messiah" or Prophet on Arakis. So again, Paul filled the role. Did it better than they expected. And did "free" the Fremen. So not really false. Just different than anyone expected. Thanks for the great video. The other comments are right. Excellent work.
Appreciate it. Very correct take in my opinion
IMO he became a self fulfilling prophecy. The Lisan Al Gaib may have been a manufactured story in service to the Bene Gesserit but Paul was the Kwisatz Haderach and ultimately did fulfil what the prophecy said the prophet would do. So then you can argue that the prophecy was actually real all along and the Bene Gesserit had unwittingly unleashed it because they though they had final control over all things.
@@JayPotton Yes. The Prophecy was fulfilled. The mechanism it was setup for was triggered by the arrival of Paul and Jessica to Arakis. You bring up a good point. Paul was also the Kwisatz Haderach. That was not part of the Prophecy. That and the Lisan Al Gaib served separate purposes. The Bene Gesserit did not expect or want those two entities to be the same person. They lost control of both.
im watching im comparing
Wow
Wait he really did turn arrakis into a water planet he did everything he said he would do. The universe suffered but the fremen got their paradise
the universe suffered. a "hero" wouldnt let that happen.
@@dosomestuff1949 everyone suffers. 1st noble truth
@@DriveandThrive prove it
He wasn't a false prophet its just that his son fullied The Destiny of The Golden Path.
clip selection is great but hate the music, its like a 2007 film trailer for a B list movie
But yes, he was a Mesiah because they wanted to have forests and more water, he did it so he was a Mesiah for them. And i personally think Kwizatz Haderach was the same as Lisan al Gaib, because the Benegesserit created the prophecy for them to think that tgeir Kwizatz Haderach is their Mesiah (Lisan al Gaib).
1:37 who tf edited out his voice
I noticed that as well when putting the video together, it’s still there it’s just the music that covers it
What is this heresy, to call our savior a false prophet, not knowing what he will sacrifice for us...
Lisan Al Gaib!
Mahdi
Even if that Prophecy doesn't exist. The Fremen's thousands years of agony, suffering, oppression should be addressed with hope. I don't see any problem that's human nature. So adressing the story with galse prophet, or message like beware of heros will not echo with anyone. Just for hesitators. Or willingly slaves.
I personally don't think that Paul is a false prophet. I don't know how to explain it, but he's planned and unplanned at the same time. 🤷♀️
He actually has vision ofvthe way.
What???? The movie follows books layout? Does movie change fact Paul. Is good/bad?
Well no Paul is suppose to be an anti hero in the books and movies but people keep saying hes the bad guy and the villain and that is getting really annoying
How can the fremen speak english ? Or are they speaking their own language but the directors translates it to english for us ?
He is the prophetiest prophet that ever prophesied. Given what he actually accomplished, what more do you want?
I think the point is the breeding program created an actual prophet, as real as it could be, but it still leads to devastating consequence, even worse outcome actually. Hence the author invalidates the promise of a prophet and messiah. Prescience is an obstacle to the advancement of humanity and free will
But... is he false?
He fulfilled the prophecy, threw off their oppressors and was beginning to turn Arakis green.
He is a Fallen hero. Not entirely good, not entirely bad. Flawed. Human.
He is, a vilain, in some ways, he “Paul” is trying to do good, doing bad things, he is, a unique character, Writer of dune, wanted to make the point be to not blindly follow charasmatic leaders like paul, and this is based off largely ww2. Paul completed a jihad, yes his kids control the universe but he is evil, im not sure how to explain it further.
The prophecy was fabricated by the Bene Gesserit. They wanted to use it to control the fremen and in the end Paul uses it.
That's what blurs the lines.
He seems to be a Messiah cause it's all falling into place, but everything that's allowed him to accomplish what he's accomplished can be explained with reason, not divine force.
He's been a victim of circumstance that is garnering blind faith, and he's gaining ultimate power in the process.
Denis needs to do a zack snyders directors cut of this lol
Unfortunately he has already said that there would be no “Director’s Cut” 🥲
Isn't he actually the chosen one? He died and was brought back to life by the prophecy.
Except Chani doesn't buy into everything she saw with her own eyes!!
So somebody who saves people from their suppressors in a false prophet? Wake up
Maybe so - if the "savior" is someone who also oppresses them, uses them to slaughter billions in the name of revenge, destroys their culture, and then walks away leaving them to be utterly dominated for thousands of years by his son...
Paul was a False Messiah yet he acted like a True Messiah while his son Leto II was the True Messiah by acting as a False Messiah.
As written
But is he a false prophet if he fulfils all the conditions of a true prophet?
He is because it’s not he who brings true salvation to all of Humanity…but his son, Leto the Second…The God Emperor! 😊
He isn't the false prophet..things he do were true all long..started becoming true as he waked the path he was meant for..just like in real world prophecy..few people believed and few people ignored yet those prophecy came true...
They dumbed the whole point of Dune with the second part. I loved the first part, it lead me to the books. I couldn't wait to the second part to come... And when it did I leaved the cinema dissapointed.
not a messiah, he havea power beyond compreension.
False prophet but truest messiah
False prohet really? He is the voice from another world that is going to lead Fremen to paradise
Dune is for science fiction what Lord of the Rings is for fantasy