Well I picked up the Lake Tahoe, your other video was super helpful in convincing me! I absolutely love it. I agree with your comments that you completely forget about the size when you put it on. It’s just so darn cool and unique. My AD has a Desert Mojave 41 waiting for me to check out tomorrow 😂 I’m sick… I absolutely love IWC’s ceramic offerings today.
@@RandyswatchesI picked up the Mojave 41 yesterday too 😂 Tje AMG ceratanium is staying for sure, just need to figure out which between the Tahoe and Mojave I prefer. Or I’ll just sell my other watches and rock only IWC!
My top gun ceratanium is my default watch for sure. I’ve decided that I’m done unless they release a big pilot 43 with a date, or make an engineur with a bit more features. Or maybe a special aquatimer. If I buy another watch in the near future, I suspect it’ll be a Glashutte Original.
Your rant on the Ingenieur is well-articulated. Something I’d add is that I wish they’d have gone with a slimmer case shape. The dimensions are relatively thin but something about the wrist presence is too bulky to me. Unrelated, I like the look of the black 41 Ceratanium but 14.5 thickness sounds like a lot. Do you often notice it protruding high above the wrist?
The ingenieur is a good watch, but has nothing special about it. See Tim Mosso’s take on it on his last show. That’s how I feel. Regarding the top gun 41, it wears easily on my 16-17 CM wrist. It isn’t marketed as a “thin watch”, but it is certainly nothing unwieldy. Thanks for enjoying the content!
The overseas is 2.5 times the price, so it's an odd comparison. AP, nautilus is 4-5 times the price. The complaint of no micro adjustment on the ingeniur does not make sense if the watch fits you, so you have to try it on. To say the ingeniur doesn't offer anything over mark 20 is not true. I sat down whith both at a boutique with a jewelers loop. The 2 are very different levels of finishing, and that's one of the most expensive ave time consuming processes of watch manufacturing. Ingeniur has hand painted dial with hand finished bracelet done to a holy trinity level. So to say generic could not be further from the truth.
That’s a fair response. Unfortunately my wrist fluctuates too much for a non-adjustable bracelet to “fit”. The quality is fantastic. But I feel it could have been so much more. Clearly you can see from my videos, I’m a big fan of IWC products. Thanks for the response.
Nothing special, basically a giant mousepad from Amazon. It’s cool for these videos because it has time zones and avoids glare from my terrible lighting.
They dont just create from empty air. They do product management practices likes surveys and customer imengsngement to get the feel and feedback. Only then develop something like this with sign off across stakeholders. Agree with your points 100% but they knew what they were doing.
There are Chopard Alpine Eagle, GP Laureato, Zenith Defy as competitors when they came up to the price. IWC provides some value in that it was designed by Genta himself while the other 3 are Genta inspired/integrated bracelet for their modern releases. Sure there are arguments that GP and Zenith released their original versions earlier than their counterparts historically, but the new releases borrows heavily on the Genta design elements. So if you compare within that space, I think IWC has some advantages. The other point of contention is the movement - it is borrowed, but a lot of other brands do that as well - Rolex recycles movements - Exp II and GMT, Tudor from Breitling B01, VC for the FiftySix. The borrowed movement provides 100m water resistance, 120 hr power reserve. Again if you compare that to the GP, Chopard, and Zenith - not all of them provide that. I’m not attacking you just providing counter arguments.
Thanks, I appreciate the point of view. Maybe I’m salty because I wanted to explore that line, but I just can’t do a fixed-length bracelet, and I love strap options. I just think that, with IWCs incredible engineering history, they could have flexed and made a great watch… a real competitor to the overseas and Alpine Eagle. Keep following, maybe one day I’ll go vintage Ingenieur or buy a new model that they really put some effort into. Especially if it’s in titanium.
@kbo513 Link?? I hope not, for my bank account’s sake. Seriously though, if they can do it without de-valuing the owners of the current model, I’m all for it. Thanks for the comment.
@@Randyswatches Yes I like easy exchange strap options too. Zenith is definitely one brand that offers extra straps AND easy exchange. I got to meet and talk to the Zenith CEO in W&Ws - I’m set to get their blue Extreme diver. Got into them when they released the Zenith pilot. The IWC Ingeniuer has half links included for the standard bracelet. I was originally set to purchase the VC Overseas but Richmont group got greedy - made the blue Boutique exclusive and eventually dropped a lot of ADs in my area. I don’t want to play the game all over again for one piece when most of my purchase history was with my AD.
Excellent points on the Ingenieur. It’s a cool watch but they are way too proud of it at that price point. I think they have to know by know that they completely overshot, but they know they can’t just start selling it for ~$7k.
Hopefully they call it a “limited run” and give it time to cool off before doing a redesign and tanking the value. But I somehow doubt they are going to call me in as a consultant
I heard from my SA that although she can't share figures with me, that the line did so well last year, totally exceeded expectations, that she doesn't expect them to do much further with the line up in the coming year. Sit on their laurels I suppose.
@@Randyswatches me too! I think too, that the brand has done better on the secondary market as of late, not as many pieces simply flooding the market. Thank you for all the work you've put into your videos, I've definitely enjoyed following your IWC journey.
It seems like you're maybe a little bit annoyed about the modern Ingenieur? Haha, no I get it man. It's probably somewhat of a botched opportunity for IWC. The Ingenieur's always been my favourite line in IWC's collection. I've owned a 3227 and a 3239 previously. And it was always the Genta design that got me into it. Oddly enough, the one that ended up being my favourite, and I ended up owning long term is the odd one of modern Ingy's, the IW357002. I love the clinical dial, the case, and the way it hearkens back to the original 666. Even though it's not a Genta design, it still looks very much like you would think an Ingenieur should look like. It wears so beautifully on wrist, and even has the micro-adjust clasp like your Mark XX
I’ll look it up, thank you. The old titanium with the black dial and red accents and black strap sell for 6k and has been in my chrono24 list for a while. Maybe one year I’ll go neon-vintage and get one.
I’m not saying it isn’t a good watch. I’m saying if I have a choice between paying less for a Christopher Ward or more for an overseas, I would do either. But why do that when the Mark XX exists?
Swiss watches are like that 😅. They won’t not give the best version of the watch on their first launch. It is a marketing strategy so that you spend the money to buy this version first. When they release an improved version you will upgrade the your current one. Rolex and Tudor are good examples
I’d like to think it isn’t pre-planned obsolescence. More likely, it is a combination of artwork and machinery, as well as fashion. Since fashion changes and machines can be improved, I think it’s more likely that consumer feedback over time drives incremental improvements.
I like that blue and grey NATO on the Mk20. Looks sharp. I appreciate your feelings for the Ingenuir. I just feel the watch is overpriced. It should cost Grand Seiko money, but they seem to think people are willing to overpay just because they can’t get a Royal Oak.
@@Randyswatches Is it? I'm honestly surprised. I've tried it on and liked it. And was resentful that they had finally made the Ingenuir that I wanted it was so over overpriced. I was planning to get another Portuguiser.
Thanks for the input. I wouldn’t go that far. I’d simply say that it not the timepiece I’d engineer in 2024 given the competition. I’d have flexed my watchmaking prowess.
Well I picked up the Lake Tahoe, your other video was super helpful in convincing me! I absolutely love it. I agree with your comments that you completely forget about the size when you put it on. It’s just so darn cool and unique.
My AD has a Desert Mojave 41 waiting for me to check out tomorrow 😂 I’m sick… I absolutely love IWC’s ceramic offerings today.
Easy tiger! Congratulations on your Lake Tahoe. I hope you love wearing it.
@@RandyswatchesI picked up the Mojave 41 yesterday too 😂 Tje AMG ceratanium is staying for sure, just need to figure out which between the Tahoe and Mojave I prefer. Or I’ll just sell my other watches and rock only IWC!
My top gun ceratanium is my default watch for sure. I’ve decided that I’m done unless they release a big pilot 43 with a date, or make an engineur with a bit more features. Or maybe a special aquatimer.
If I buy another watch in the near future, I suspect it’ll be a Glashutte Original.
You got it?!?! That’s awesome! Congratulations. That is an incredible Portofino.
Your rant on the Ingenieur is well-articulated. Something I’d add is that I wish they’d have gone with a slimmer case shape. The dimensions are relatively thin but something about the wrist presence is too bulky to me.
Unrelated, I like the look of the black 41 Ceratanium but 14.5 thickness sounds like a lot. Do you often notice it protruding high above the wrist?
The ingenieur is a good watch, but has nothing special about it. See Tim Mosso’s take on it on his last show. That’s how I feel.
Regarding the top gun 41, it wears easily on my 16-17 CM wrist. It isn’t marketed as a “thin watch”, but it is certainly nothing unwieldy.
Thanks for enjoying the content!
Congratulations! That Portugieser is awesome and an incredible movement with that perpetual calendar.
Thank you. I have yet to wear it in public because even though it looks amazing, I feel a little self conscious wearing it.
The overseas is 2.5 times the price, so it's an odd comparison. AP, nautilus is 4-5 times the price. The complaint of no micro adjustment on the ingeniur does not make sense if the watch fits you, so you have to try it on. To say the ingeniur doesn't offer anything over mark 20 is not true. I sat down whith both at a boutique with a jewelers loop. The 2 are very different levels of finishing, and that's one of the most expensive ave time consuming processes of watch manufacturing. Ingeniur has hand painted dial with hand finished bracelet done to a holy trinity level. So to say generic could not be further from the truth.
That’s a fair response. Unfortunately my wrist fluctuates too much for a non-adjustable bracelet to “fit”.
The quality is fantastic. But I feel it could have been so much more. Clearly you can see from my videos, I’m a big fan of IWC products.
Thanks for the response.
love your desk table sheet the map is nice . where did you get it ?
Nothing special, basically a giant mousepad from Amazon. It’s cool for these videos because it has time zones and avoids glare from my terrible lighting.
They dont just create from empty air. They do product management practices likes surveys and customer imengsngement to get the feel and feedback. Only then develop something like this with sign off across stakeholders. Agree with your points 100% but they knew what they were doing.
I agree. Can’t please everyone. But time will prove me right!
@@Randyswatches by the time they prove you right (no sarcasm implied), they will have new model in for latest and greatest hype mate.
There are Chopard Alpine Eagle, GP Laureato, Zenith Defy as competitors when they came up to the price. IWC provides some value in that it was designed by Genta himself while the other 3 are Genta inspired/integrated bracelet for their modern releases. Sure there are arguments that GP and Zenith released their original versions earlier than their counterparts historically, but the new releases borrows heavily on the Genta design elements.
So if you compare within that space, I think IWC has some advantages. The other point of contention is the movement - it is borrowed, but a lot of other brands do that as well - Rolex recycles movements - Exp II and GMT, Tudor from Breitling B01, VC for the FiftySix. The borrowed movement provides 100m water resistance, 120 hr power reserve. Again if you compare that to the GP, Chopard, and Zenith - not all of them provide that.
I’m not attacking you just providing counter arguments.
I did see an interview recently with the IWC CEO that they have plans on expanding the Ingenieur line later this year
Thanks, I appreciate the point of view. Maybe I’m salty because I wanted to explore that line, but I just can’t do a fixed-length bracelet, and I love strap options. I just think that, with IWCs incredible engineering history, they could have flexed and made a great watch… a real competitor to the overseas and Alpine Eagle.
Keep following, maybe one day I’ll go vintage Ingenieur or buy a new model that they really put some effort into. Especially if it’s in titanium.
@kbo513 Link?? I hope not, for my bank account’s sake. Seriously though, if they can do it without de-valuing the owners of the current model, I’m all for it.
Thanks for the comment.
@@Randyswatches Yes I like easy exchange strap options too. Zenith is definitely one brand that offers extra straps AND easy exchange. I got to meet and talk to the Zenith CEO in W&Ws - I’m set to get their blue Extreme diver. Got into them when they released the Zenith pilot.
The IWC Ingeniuer has half links included for the standard bracelet. I was originally set to purchase the VC Overseas but Richmont group got greedy - made the blue Boutique exclusive and eventually dropped a lot of ADs in my area. I don’t want to play the game all over again for one piece when most of my purchase history was with my AD.
Excellent points on the Ingenieur. It’s a cool watch but they are way too proud of it at that price point. I think they have to know by know that they completely overshot, but they know they can’t just start selling it for ~$7k.
Hopefully they call it a “limited run” and give it time to cool off before doing a redesign and tanking the value. But I somehow doubt they are going to call me in as a consultant
I heard from my SA that although she can't share figures with me, that the line did so well last year, totally exceeded expectations, that she doesn't expect them to do much further with the line up in the coming year. Sit on their laurels I suppose.
Good for them. I don’t wish them any failure, obviously. I just hope that the secondary market stays strong so as not to devalue the brand.
@@Randyswatches me too! I think too, that the brand has done better on the secondary market as of late, not as many pieces simply flooding the market. Thank you for all the work you've put into your videos, I've definitely enjoyed following your IWC journey.
Lol no it's not worth only 7k
It seems like you're maybe a little bit annoyed about the modern Ingenieur? Haha, no I get it man. It's probably somewhat of a botched opportunity for IWC. The Ingenieur's always been my favourite line in IWC's collection. I've owned a 3227 and a 3239 previously. And it was always the Genta design that got me into it. Oddly enough, the one that ended up being my favourite, and I ended up owning long term is the odd one of modern Ingy's, the IW357002. I love the clinical dial, the case, and the way it hearkens back to the original 666. Even though it's not a Genta design, it still looks very much like you would think an Ingenieur should look like. It wears so beautifully on wrist, and even has the micro-adjust clasp like your Mark XX
I’ll look it up, thank you. The old titanium with the black dial and red accents and black strap sell for 6k and has been in my chrono24 list for a while. Maybe one year I’ll go neon-vintage and get one.
Gotta be honest, I tried the Ingenieur on this week and absolutely loved it lol. You have some valid points, though.
I’m not saying it isn’t a good watch. I’m saying if I have a choice between paying less for a Christopher Ward or more for an overseas, I would do either. But why do that when the Mark XX exists?
Swiss watches are like that 😅. They won’t not give the best version of the watch on their first launch. It is a marketing strategy so that you spend the money to buy this version first. When they release an improved version you will upgrade the your current one. Rolex and Tudor are good examples
I’d like to think it isn’t pre-planned obsolescence. More likely, it is a combination of artwork and machinery, as well as fashion. Since fashion changes and machines can be improved, I think it’s more likely that consumer feedback over time drives incremental improvements.
I like that blue and grey NATO on the Mk20. Looks sharp. I appreciate your feelings for the Ingenuir. I just feel the watch is overpriced. It should cost Grand Seiko money, but they seem to think people are willing to overpay just because they can’t get a Royal Oak.
I’m honestly don’t know what the thought process was when releasing it. But apparently it is selling well, so what do I know.
@@Randyswatches Is it? I'm honestly surprised. I've tried it on and liked it. And was resentful that they had finally made the Ingenuir that I wanted it was so over overpriced. I was planning to get another Portuguiser.
Which one? They are very different model lines.
I tried the Engineur and liked it but it costs about 2 times what it should. That watch is (to me) worth $5K tops
Thanks for the input. I wouldn’t go that far. I’d simply say that it not the timepiece I’d engineer in 2024 given the competition. I’d have flexed my watchmaking prowess.
You obviously had no idea what you were looking at, luxury watches are not your thing
@@bdegrds lmfao alright whatever big luxury watch man
I suppose not
My new pilot has the wave.
It’s weird right? Don’t focus on it. Congrats and enjoy!
It’s perpetual calendar. Not professional
I’m sure I just mumbled or misspoke. I am aware that it is a perpetual calendar. I do appreciate that people watch and enjoy the videos.