Is the new IWC Ingenieur 40 OVERPRICED? First look & impressions.
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- Опубліковано 5 січ 2024
- When IWC revealed the new Gerald Genta IWC Ingenieur version I was very disappointed. But now having this watch for a review I’ve changed my mind... Well almost... In this video I will share my first thoughts and impressions of the new Ingenieur.
I am very exited to have my hands on the new IWC Ingenieur Automatic 40. This is the Gerald Genta Ingenieur reissue with the aqua dial colour, reference number IW328903. I will tell you if the watch worth the retail price or not in my opinion.
Topics covered:
1. The Gerald Genta IWC Ingeniuer brief history.
2. Why the watch is so hyped.
3. How you can buy this IWC Ingenieur.
4. Why I love this watch.
5. The design and specifications.
6. How is the green/aqua dial colour.
7. The problem with the bracelet.
8. The size and how is the watch on the wrist.
9. Price and the competition.
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Normally I'd go with the classic black dial, but WOW, your videography of the aqua version have sold me on that one, it looks super cool! Now I just have to wait about a decade for one to come up pre-owned at a decent price, and I'm all over it. I'm a patient man.
Thank you. I actually also was impressed by the aqua dial colour.
These watches are not for poor people, i.e. watch enthusiasts. Those who can afford luxuries don't look at money or resale value. It's a beautiful watch and a welcome breath of fresh air in a market already tired and bored by Rolex, Omega, Tudor, etc.
IWC isn’t a luxury name brand. The people you describe above have no idea what IWC is or who Gerald Genta was. Your argument is flawed
@@atl3630 That you think.
Exactly! Well put sir! Unfortunately we share our hobby with scumbags and pretenders.
How is a reissue of another watch from the 70s cashing in on the recent trend around vintage-inspired integrated-bracelet watches a breath of fresh air? It seems like the opposite-IWC being late to the trend and occupying an empty middle ground between the exclusive pieces from Patek and AP and the affordable Christopher Ward and Tissot options. Being neither exclusive nor affordable, who’s this for?
@@MeestroDavid It is for those who have money and are tired of the same story with boring watches like Rolex, Omega, Tudor etc. Regarding the price, everything is relative.
New thumbnail looks great, love your railmaster videos
Thanks 🙏🏻
Thank you for great review!
I was trying one with a black dial in the Dubai boutique and it’s very good sized, proportioned and very beautiful watch! It can be pick in the future, but..
Price is high, compare to previous Ingenieur it’s more then double. Can not justify this policy.
By far the most helpful review of the new Ingy. Subscribed to the channel, thanks!
Thank you. Glad that video was helpful.
Great video review. I’m drooling over this one. I’d buy it
Thanks. I would buy it too. But probably not at the current retail.
@@OneManReviewsLooks like you’ll never own it as the price is unlikely to ever trade below retail. This is an absolute classic and wears well too. Dial and crown guards are huge improvement
Great review. I struggle to understand why IWC didn't make a more premium movement with a display back if they were going to price this model where it is. It should be positioned where it is, but the movement just doesn't command this level of price, so it seems like a cash grab to price it at over $15,000 Canadian.
Yeah. Make it worth it. They have the movements available. Either that or put it at sub $10k entry price for the base model. Nobody would have had an issue with that.
@derosa1989@@koolpep I do agree that IWC should've offered more at that price point.
This is the right point imo. You can't compare this movement with Geneva seal movements, not in same league. Also the faraday cage and closed case back is just stupid. We have amagnetic escapements now, watch could have been thinner and just as robust without
I had the Mark XX with this same movement and it was straight garbage and bad enough to make me sell the watch. Dropping it in a 5-figure watch is an insult to IWC’s customers.
@@MeestroDavidouch. I am planning on adding the Mark XX - so am curious, what was so wrong with the movement in yours? If you don’t mind me asking.
I agree with the massess that it's gorgeous but over-priced. IWC overall has drastically increased their prices over the past couple years. Pilots chronograph 41 was 6500 USD in Jan 2022 and now is 7600 USD. The ingenieur should be between 6k to 7k USD. Having this cost more than a Datejust, hell more than a GMT Master 2, is absurd.
Yes I think they could priced it more than the Mark XX but not as much. Many other watch brands increased their prices over the last few years. JLC is a good example of the crazy increase.
This is destined to become a classic . It’s cheap compared to Nautilus and Royal Oak
I don't think this watch is destined to be a classic. The watch market is dead in January 2024. People will buy Royal Oak, Overseas, and Rolex junk at retail soon. This IWC will be forgotten.
You've hit on a big point.... the market being dead doesn't mean no one will buy nice things.... it means, the REAL nice things IE royal oak's of the world will soon be attainable and thus the "I couldn't get a royal oak" tier of Laureatos, Alpine Eagles, Polos and Ingeniurs, will be less attractive. This IWC should be a $7500 watch competing with the Oyster Perpetual.... not a $12000 watch competing with the GMT Master 2.@@patsmith3894
This is the most comprehensive, insightful, and honest review I’ve seen on this watch. Thanks for making it. I guess if you love this one, you love it. But, I can’t see me ever getting it. If I develop a Genta itch, I’ll go get a RO, not a B/B+ substitute. If I want another 3 hand SS sports watch, I’ll go get a submariner. And, if I want it from a lesser known, I’ll get a JLC Polaris.
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed the video. I will wait for the secondary market prices to see. The retails price is way too much and there is some good competition within that range.
JLC polaris is a clowntown, considering that price and what they offer
That dial is beautiful! 😍
I think so too!
Great review and thoughts about the watch, Thank you for sharing. I still think this Engenieur looks a lot better than the original, so much that i got the Ti version 😊 About the price, for a Genta design I think it’s manageable compared to the other two brands.
Congrats on the Ti versions - the watch is amazing.
Love this watch, if i had the money i would buy it
I think I would wait for the secondary or grey market price.
'Well known but not too well known brand' is important to me as well. I mostly wear Omega, Panerai, and IWC (chrono) to work. This watch would be a good swap for my blue Datejust 41 that I don't wear to work BUT for me the fixed butterfly clasp removes it from consideration, regardless of price.
No micro adjustment is the case with most integrated watches.
They misread the market.
3 y ago, maybe, but not when Rolex AD’s are calling and wait time much shorter (got a Rootbeer in less than 12 months).
At 12-14, there are way too many options, especially if including secondary markets.
I feel my Octo Finissimo will much less likely to be dated (probably because it probably will never be mainstream, lol) in 5 years.
I am negotiating a great deal on a Moser for less than 12, also not a derivative design.
There are Mk XX’s on bracelets to be had for less than 5500, and much more interesting Zenith models for less than 9.
And BnM are great deals, too.
I’m very curious because they couldn’t have guessed that badly, could they?
Yeah you nailed it. If they gave us one dial variation below $10k - they would have won everyone over.
Enjoy that Moser should you get it. I have the Heritage dual time and love it to bits.
ELEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS! I’ll wait until they hit the secondary market
My thoughts exactly. Love the watch and I don’t mind spending a lot of money on watches but here the value for money is not there, 2-3k less and I am intrigued.
@@koolpepthey can’t really price it the same as an automatic Portugieser, can they? You have to argue the price point of the whole IWC brand then
@@FabioTWK Why not? They have done that historically - the previous version Ingenieur was between 5 and 7k Euro as a 3 hander max. Until they were discontinued in 2017.
Premium in the secondary market already. This Genta special is going to $20k soon and will still be a steal compared to the Nautilus and Royal Oak. Buy now - prices are going higher……….
@@davidclive701 because it’s new and only very few in the market. Also the people listing them are trying to flip and make a buck. I doubt it will go further up but rather come down relatively quickly after March/April with new announcements.
It’s stunning and I can’t wait for mine to arrive, I wish everyone would stop whining about the price
Couldn’t agree more. I haven’t taken mine off since getting it on Xmas Eve. A collector for over 20 years and I absolutely think it’s worth the price.
People just can't stop dreaming and wishing. They hate being poor 😅
Haha that is true
Christmas Eve what a treat! Congrats my friend I have been told April this year and have been waiting since July, I bet it looks fantastic and that aqua dial Wow! They absolutely nailed this watch in every way
I got mine and it's such a beautiful piece happy to have it in my collection.
I received mine in NY after 1 month in inquiring the watch. It’s a great looking watch. I got to see all of the colored models except the titanium version in person before I made the decision on the black dial. You have to see them in person to really help you decide on the design.
Also the watch arrives with a few half links and full links, so even though it doesn’t have a quick adjust, you can get a better fit than what I got from my old Cartier Santos medium.
I bought mine (black dial) on Saturday. Did yours come with spare big and small links?
I’m not a big fan of integrated bracelets. They can look good, however I do t like being locked into a proprietary system and lack of casually found strap. I’ve got a couple watches with 19mm lug width, something that’s often made out to be a big deal, it’s not an issue these days, I’d find this kind of setup far more restrictive.
I’m more of a dress watch these days, this strikes me as one of the nicer integrated sports watches today. No way would I consider it at retail. I do love the case, I’d wear it in the bracelet and be done. I’d consider a preowned Defy Skyline at the right price. I’m more of a Zenith fan but prefer this aesthetically. The Tonda comes to mind, but too rich for my blood…. It’ll be interesting to see what the prices look on the preowned market down the road once the dust settles.
The movement is not COSC certified, IWC has never made any statements about the accuracy of its watches. The only exception was the “Officially Certified Chronometer” Ingenieur (1993-2001), whose rates complied with the COSC specifications.
Yes, you're right. I think I meant to say that IWC movements usually run pretty accurately like COSC-certified.
Does this have an ETA movement?
No
So, Jory Goodman - the Time Teller compared the recently released IWC Ingenuer for $14K and the Baume & Mercer Automatic Rivera for less than $4K and the very close similarities. As you stated, both pieces are designed by G. Genta both pieces fm the Richmont Group. IMHO, it would be hard to justify OVERPRICED IWC over the B&M Rivera.
I don't think that Reviera was designed by Gerald Genta. It's the work of Jean-Claude Gueit.
Still waiting for my titanium to arrive, probably Q2/Q3
Yours is one of the few vids on this watch. Why the lack of interest I wonder?
I think it’s because it’s hard to get hands on the model since it relatively new and only available on the preorder from boutiques.
Great video, but agree that it is overpriced via your title.
120 hrs of PR is good.
I simply don’t value IWC aa they see themselves. I prefer both the Piaget Polo and Chopard AE over this watch. I own the Chopard AE and purchased it used which was approximately 65% of its MSRP, not the current MSRP. Piaget Polo is amazing and prefer this as a nautilus alternative but it also is overpriced.
I had a Chopard AE for review and it's an incredible watch.
At $11,000 this Genta watch is a steal!! already at a premium in the secondary market, this watch is worth $20K and will still be cheap compared to the Nautilus and Royal Oak
Care to share what sources of data you are basing your opinions on? Most secondary market dealers are offering just about MSRP for new pieces and even lower for pre-owned pieces..
Great review, thank you. I haven't seen many videos out there on this watch, its a frustrating piece purely because of the price but i guarantee that if it was the sensible price we were all hoping for, you wouldn't be able to buy it at retail anyway.
Thanks and maybe you're right. Right now you can order this model from IWC boutique only.
If you think Patek and AP didn’t change the original design you are flat out wrong. iWC was very faithful to the original and improved the design where necessary. The original of all 3 integrated bracelet designs needed quite a few improvements
This watch is everything I wanted the ingenuir to be. Except for some reason it’s more expensive than a Datejust or comparable Grand Seiko.
The watch is perfect but the price is quite steep.
With IWC's catalogue of annual Calanders, perpetual Calanders and tourbillons also the latest eternal Calander, I would argue that they are competitive with brands in the holy trinity.
They've had watches with complications and tourbillons for quite a while models like Da Vinci Perpetual Calendar for example from the early 90s. But it doesn't mean they can be put on the same level as the holy trinity brands or even JLC.
@@OneManReviewsthe bracelet, case and dial finishing on the ingeniur is better than many Jlc, but of course Jlc has some of the best movements. Ingeniur is 4k CAD cheaper than, Piaget polo, GP laurriato, Chopard Alpine eagle, Bvlgari Octo etc. And about same price as Polaris no date.
If not the price, it would already be in my collection.
This is a great 7k usd watch.
Agree 👍
Looking at other iwc models such as top gun chronograph, they are also stupidly expensive. Huge discount on the second market.
Yep. IWC watches are loosing great deal on the secondary market.
I take a CW twelve indeed :):)
Something I haven't had my hand on yet :)
To answer your video title: no, of course not. But it’s a lovely watch.
Agree.
I had no idea Larry Bird was a watch designer. Is there anything that guy can't do?
Without those Crown Guards would look much better
I think so too.
2023 new edition version is more beautiful than 1970 first edition version!
So I mean that We cannot say 2023 Ingenieur model is not original Gerald Genta design!
We should say that It’s IWC Ingenieur 2023 Gerald Genta design new edition version.
Sure, that's another way to look at it.
А мне циферблат напоминает больше не шахматный паттерн , а миллиметровую бумагу, что как бы логично в случае с инженером:)
That's an interesting connection idea :)
I don't understand why people would like to buy this instead of used Ingenieurs that are nicer and at a quarter of the price. Is this nicer than a Mission Earth? I don't think so.
I like the oder Ingenieur version also. But the pre-owned prices for those are also quite high.
Id bet 9 of 10 people complaining cant afford the watch. Just look at the competitions prices and youd see this is right in the middle. Holy Trinity is 2 or 3 times the price. Streamliner? Antartique? Lauriato? Tonda? Alpine eagle? Polo? All more expensive. Zenith Defy is just under and everone seems to hate that watch. Id say this watch is priced right but overall the prices for steel integrated bracelet watch has gotten out of control.
Piaget, GP, Chopard, Czapek, and Moser you mentioned are in a very different league than IWC. Ingenier is a great watch but too overpriced. It's like if Tissot would be charging Omega prices.
It is the same Watch chopard alpine eagle. If it would be no no name brand, everyone says clone or fake
The Chopard Eagle is a very different watch.
@@OneManReviews look, the both of watch’s shape. Who cares mechanism, power reserve, precious materyals. Being a Gerald Genta design is not enough to answer all the questions
I've never, EVER heard anybody say: This watch is underpriced. It is inexpensive, it should cost more. Human nature.
There were watches like that.
I can tell you were excited...lol
I was :)
I don't get the idea that the price of the watch is justified because other Genta-inspired watches cost even more. Of course AP and Pateks cost more. They're highly exclusive, hand-made, hand-finished to an incredible standard, and use in-house, highly decorated movements. The IWC is none of that and to claim that the design's inspiration in work they paid Genta for over 50 years ago should add any value or cost is straight-up ridiculous. Imagine VW charging $75,000 for a new Golf because the same designer that did the original in 1973 also designed higher-priced exotics for Maserati, Lotus, and Alfa Romeo.
The movement argument is a nonsense. Patek uses the same movement in the entry level Calatrava as it does the Nautilus/Aquanaut yet no one complains about that. Does the movement do the intended job is all that matters.
That’s because it’s a Patek movement, not a mass produced Richmont movement. This thing is half-assed and it shows. And there are plenty of people on UA-cam, people who know watches, who complain about Patek and APs basic movements in some of their most iconic watches.
@@atl3630 you think a Patek movement isn’t mostly mass produced? You think it’s all hand finished and not CNC? Bless you.
The IWC 32111 movement is terrible. I have a Mark XX. Omega, JLC, and Rolex are far more accurate. Read the forms about this movement. They keep poor time, are unreliable, and do a bizarre hand jump when set.
@@patsmith3894 mine so far is accurate to within COSC spec. Rolex are guaranteed -2+2 and Omega are similar so I would never use those to compare accuracy and I don’t expect the IWC to be. As for unreliable please say in what way rather than just make a sweeping statements. Has yours been unreliable or has a jumping hand when time setting?
@@patsmith3894 so I’ve looked at the last 5 years of posts on WUS and there’s only a couple of posts specifically about the 32111 accuracy (which there are similar posts for virtually all watch brands/models) and nothing about the minute hand moving when time setting. The only reference to that are a handful of comments on Reddit in response to the video from the woman in the US. This is a non issue and certainly perhaps while cosmetically irritating doesn’t affect the movement performance. So I’m sorry but your comment that the 32111 is a terrible movement simply doesn’t stack up.
No chronometer certification for all that cash 🤦🏻♂️ these are going to bomb on the grey market 👎🏼 a missed opportunity at a crazy price point 🤦🏻♂️
Awesome watch but mispriced ofc. What a pity!
Very sad.
Nice watch but highly overpriced for most of engineers.
None of the high end watches are worth the price but it’s what they want to sell them for and it’s up to you to decide if you are happy to part with the money, every person sees value in a different way that’s why there are different products and price points for everyone. Get over the price and focus on the great points of this watch it is exceptional in all aspects as pointed out in the video. You can just see how much thought engineers have put into this and that has to be respected and it comes at a price which is not for everyone
There's "not worth it" and then there's "holy shit totally not worth it". This watch is the latter.
Same movement mark xx is the half price of this watch. Awkward. Its too expensive
They did overprice it.
The baume Riviera has the same movement inside it’s fabulous Watch, and in my country it costs roughly £3500. yes, the bracelet on the iwc is fantastic, but you have to ask how much is that worth. none of the Gerald genta watchesc watches were an immediate Success At the time. it’s ridiculous and it’s nonsense and as the ID guy said earlier yesterday in his video it’s all over the Watch industry.
That’s what I think too, save your $ and buy the Riveria. Only difference is the brand name.
@@mkyhou1160 the IWC has a far superior bracelet and that has to be worth a lot of money. I acknowledge that but you’re only talking a couple of thousand at the most so that takes us to about 5500 .
Patek Calatrava has the same movement as the Nautilus with huge price differences! So what!!
@@markhammerschmidt5315 Watch, there’s no comparison . Patek one of the few brands that genuinely are truly prestigious. All of their watches are going to be understandably, very expensive.
The zero infront of the numbers on the same date disc are stupid and unnecessary for a three hander.
Well that’s how Genta designed it originally so…..
No, he didn't!!
@@donaleeesio oh yeah - so what. Most like it. I like it. What is the problem exactly other than just you don’t like it?
Because it's not suitable for classic mechanical time piece. that's why you don't see any other watch brand do that unless it's a dual date disc like A. Lange Datograph.
@@donaleeesiosorry but this is just your opinion since there’s no rules about what is right or wrong! Personally I like it a lot as it’s a nice change from most others, and I’m perfectly happy with it in my own Ingenieur.
Maybe for 4-5k
Beautiful watch, but the price tag can not be justified 😅
Getting tired of Genta’s design hype.
A little bit too much. But IWC has all the rights to bring it back.
Looks like chopard alpine eagle
W G. Genta. L IWC. Simply not deserving of the price tag
If you’re balking at 11k, this watch is not for you.
Great watch but over priced
And that’s a shame.
Loved this watch until the price was revealed. Then Christopher Ward said “Hold up… check this out: TWELVE.”
I think they did an unbelievable job of slapping IWC in the mouth lol.
Yeah, it's price in unrealistic and there is no reason for it, other than greed.
Too thick and too expensive for what it is. Pass 👎
Hype train bro
German arrogance will not work .
IWC is Swiss…..and always was Swiss. Just located in the German speaking part of Switzerland.
tnx but clear to me, just talked about the German ARROGANCE..
@@AS-po9pm So how is a Swiss watch company applying German arrogance then? As a German, I would like to understand that. Is there a special German arrogance that’s different to Swiss arrogance? 🤔
@@koolpepignore it, he’s just trolling with nothing better to do.
@@markhammerschmidt5315 haha. Yeah - why am I even bothering. 🤣 thanks
Beautiful watch! A true updated icon! It's not for you poor people! It's for the elite class.
Wouldn’t the elite class rather be seen wearing a Vacheron than an IWC for nearly the same money? 🤷🏼♂️
@@koolpep Haha touche! Yes the finishing on the VCO is better and the bracelet too. Of course I haven't the funds for either, but hey at least I don't complain like a bitch in the comments lol
isnt the vacheron comparable 25k though so more than double. What does elite even mean in the watch world. i know rich people who wear g shocks and people leveraged up on finance who own pateks. All watches are over priced. but what you can afford and enjoy. Elite equals bellend 99% of the time