How Fallout TV Show Makes Mr. House New Vegas Ending Canon | All the Clues
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- The new Fallout TV show has come out on Amazon Prime. A lot has changed in the 15 years since Fallout New Vegas. This video goes over how Mr house's ending is the only possible outcome that explains the current state of the Fallout world.
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Something I want to point out that I missed is that the chaulk board says the fall of Shady Sands happened in 2277, which is before the events of Fallout New Vegas in 2281. It's unclear if this is when it was blown up or if this is when it started to decline and then was blown up later after Fallout New Vegas. Either way, this just adds more confusion to the whole thing.
The board said the fall of shady sands started it 2277, and lead to its destruction. The first battle of hoover dam happens around that time
@fatmac11c It doesn't say start of it's simply the fall of. Which is extraordinarily inconsistent especially how in 81 we hear a bunch about Shady Sands and how it's still a seat of governance.
It 100% is not intended to be interpreted as "the bomb went off in 2077." By the logic of the diagram: an event happens, followed by an arrow denoting that time has passed, followed by the next chronological event. None of the events before the bomb happen together, so therefore the bomb would not have gone off in 2077. My best guess is they wanted to leave the exact date of the bomb ambiguous to give themselves room for writing season 2.
@@mitchellwb12 So what caused the "fall"?
is clear that 2277 is the date the NCR capital got nuked and that makes no sense the arrow points to the nuked as the reason for the fall. go look for what the fall of a city means
the house always win: Completed
As it should be.
You can see in the ending credits of the last season 1 Falloutv episode that Vegas is in utter ruins and that a huge battle took place between NCR and Vegas destroying the city, possibly Cesar's Legion is destroyed too. Bethesda wanted to revert the west coast to the conditions thing were in fallout 1, a desolate wasteland. Perhaps take the reins away from Obsidian, since New Vegas outshines alot of the work Bethesda did.
@AthleticHobo-br4qh Totally they are using this show just to dump on what their predecessors did, which has always been better. Great show but they should have left it on the east coast where their crappie stories take place.
About damn time
Hell yeah baby
It's such a shame that Odo (René Auberjonois) won't be reprising his role as the voice of Mr. House. RIP Mr. Auberjonois.
ikr, anyways the dude looks like the mutant in the series with the one eye
If anything you will likely hear some voice recordings. From the game.
Godbless him
I really hope we can get Michael Dorn in on this. Worf as a live action supermutant... if only it could be Frank.
@@nopenoperson9118 This cameo makes sense.
To be fair Mr. House predicting the end of the world in 2065 isn’t incompatible with him knowing Vault Tech would start the war after a meeting. It could even explain why he was a day off.
Edit. Thanks for the likes 👍🏻
Don’t think Vault Tec dropped the bomb still
in the Series he seems that doesn't like the idea,maybe he refused to continue and started to Study Vault tech and all the data from the war to predict when Vault Tech will drop the first bomb to Start the Doomdsday
@@jazzysoggy12nothing in that show is canon in my book
I mean. If YOU were part of a secret Cabal that ended the world, would you tell some rando courier? Especially one you're trying to convince to work with you?
@@jazzysoggy12 They didn't drop the bomb directly, no. But they convinced those in power within the Enclave to launch nukes at China, which in turn made China launch their nukes at the US. Mutually assured destruction.
Mr House would 100% play them for fools and double cross them. They all prob tried to double cross each other anyway
Well yeah I’m sure vault tec had made a vault for their executives and major shareholders but house didn’t trust that shit and instead invested in defenses for the strip
@@kevinescobar370there was a Vault in Vegas itself. I bet he had it built in a way he could take advantage of the spare resources and free tech.
Too bad he was stuck with Windows XP.
@@LordDaretthat would explain why he wanted to fill it with concrete
@@mr.notlegit7940he filled it with concrete specifically because the vault complex was a security risk. The vault reached far outside Vegas’s walls, so it was basically a giant tunnel that could be camped if infiltrated. If I remember correctly, the other end wound up with Caesar camping right on top of it so filling it was the right call.
@@LordDaret Does it really connect all the way to the fort?
The Mr House Ending states that he would "keep New Vegas stable, if not free, for generations." 15 years isn't "generations."
Who says New Vegas wont remain stable?
the show MCs issue is with her father, she could possibly work with house against her father
That'd be epic @@L4NTZEN
Ngl it looked pretty abandoned at the end of the show @@L4NTZEN
@@CameronMiddleton So does vegas during the day in the game until night hits
@@hyperkaioken4982 not really. its always full of people and there aren't destroyed robots and crashed vertibirds littering the streets.
Mr House says it exactly that he made his prediction in 2065. We don't know exactly when that Meeting with Vault Tec was but it could be anywhere between 2065 - 2077. It would still make his statement true. He made calculations and had his own plan *then* Vault Tec invited him to the meeting. He would't just tell them then and there that he had his own plans, he'd keep it a secret.
No, actually the meeting with vault tec has to be within 3-4 years before 2077 because the Ghoul's daughter looks about same age as when the bombs dropped. So House DEFINITELY DID predict it before they told him. He wasn't just lying
@@crazando you can tell by his dialogue in this scene and the fact he doesn’t recommend a vault experiment that he’s already got his mind set on his new vegas plan, it would make sense that he wasn’t part of this scheme after this meeting as he isn’t frozen and has found other means of staying alive for over 200 years
@@crazando House is not a reliable narrator.
@@crazando The meeting could not have happened after 2075 because robco bought repconn in 2075 and there was a repconn representative in the meeting, now I wonder if he bought repconn as part of his plan to defend vegas with rockets built and developed by repconn?
@@bragagd1618this is actually good, because this gives us almost complete confirmation that this meeting took place somewhere in the years 2073 or 2074. That’s around 1-2 years for mr house to formulate his final plans before purchasing repcon.
Watch the scene again: House doesn't buy into the plan that they have, you can tell he's just taking in the information they're giving him. They purposely have him as the most skeptical person there.
This
It would be funny if they get to New Vegas and everyone think Mr. House won only for it to reveal it's Yes Man behind the screen following instructions from Courier who has long since left after getting bored.
Thats whats gonna happen 100%
that would be fucking epic! def need a reference to the courier or something.
No 👎
@@user-hn7rd6nr6k well man that's like your opinion
@@willreed2052 What about the Battle of The Divide?
There is also the possibility of one of the Lonesome road endings being canon. The additional nukes would have cutoff NCR access to Vegas and the tourism flow House expected.
One of them have to be, it just makes sense
It'd make sense. But so far, the only nuke we've heard about was already explained and was unrelated.
Also, Ulysses mentions that the tunnlers would reach the mojave within a few years
@@Swanky2024 This so much. And there's a picture of what looks like a Tunneler or a Trog in the background of a scene, it's a blink and miss situation. But I doubt it's a Trog, those cannot exist outside of Pittsburgh. It would be super interesting that no matter who won at Hoover Dam, eventually Ulysses' predictions came true and the Tunnelers ran amok through the Mojave after the events of NV, potentially swarming the city.
they literally said they wouldn't set a canon ending it was in the contract
Watch it be yes man
Because let me tell you vegas didn't expand like how house said he would
Mrhouse be like give me 15 years and i will have complete control of the northern Mojave
15 years later.... Courier the strip has no power please restore it😂
Id prefer house. I hate yes man because you can’t kill him. The best you can do is use console commands and he’ll still appear at the end of the game if you choose him to rule vegas
@@BallinProductionDogs Just imagine if Obsidian had another year of development time, maybe even two - I reckon they'd have added an independent-but-without-yes-man outcome.
The most based ending.
3:44 he said by 2065 he deemed it a mathematical certainty that the bombs would drop, by the point of the movie it was 2077. He could have just joined up because this was the certainty he evaluated, but the only thing that was missing was him being a day short.
Probably earlier than 2077. Rob-Co bought Repconn in 2075 and still in the meeting is a Repconn Rep at the conference, so it could actually be during the 2060s.
@@RenegadeSamurai can't be during the 60's because Cooper's daughter is the same or very similar age to the day the bombs fell. In episode 1 we see her and the later flashbacks happened before that date, while Cooper and Barb are still married and we see their daughter and she looks the same. I think all the flash backs happen within a year of each other. But it could be 2075 and House decides to Buy Repconn in order to gain more resources and personnel so that he could more easily and efferently prepare
Cant be 2077 because repconn was a separate entity.
If this info is correct, then we could interpret it one of two ways.
A. Repconn received a separate invitation despite being owned by Rob-co.
B. This takes place, at a minimum, during 2075. This is because Cooper's daughter doesn't have much visible aging between the last time we're shown her before Coop listens in on the meeting, and the 2077 flashbacks.
NCR is probably reorganized up north, there are more major cities up north than the south with the sign saying Shady Sands(first capital of the NCR). Meaning that the Hub, Vault City, New Reno ,or Arroyo might be the new capital. I doubt NCR is completely gone entirely, they probably will return in a Season 3 or for Fallout 5.
the NCR was a full blown nation state by the time of NV, there is no way civilization just stopped even if they fragmented into city states again
Dont forget Shi in Sac Town
In the s1 episode 8 end credits you can see Vegas is utterly destroyed in a great battle between NCR and Vegas, Todd Howard also said NCR may exist in " some form" in a recent interview, so he doesn't want humanity to develop and society to slowly build itself back together. He wants it to perpetually be a desolate wasteland with people living fairly primitives save for BoS and Enclave factions. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the cities of NCR got hit by nukes or by terrible catastrophies of other sorts. Erase the direction obsidian was taking the world, and have it perpetually be a fallout3ish wasteland.
Smartest take I've seen
I hate that people think just because one city got nuked they just fell apart. NCR is all across California, Nevada, and New Mexico. With a population at the time of New Vegas sitting at 700,000+ and still growing. Even if they lost the second battle of hoover damn a civilization like that wouldn't just fall apart.
everyone keeps fucking forgetting that house NEVER wanted the NCR to fall, as he saw them as a customer and a source of income. He also stated that, should you go for the house ending, that he expects there to be a dip in revenue for about 2ish years as the situation in the NCR is stabilized a bit, as at that point he would have full control over hoover dam which he intended to fully repair and bring it back to full power output, which he can then sell to both the NCR and the nevada area. In the end Houses ultimate plan was .SPACE. COLONIZATION, where he state's and I quote "With all that money porin in? Give me 20 years, and I will reignite the high technology sector, 50 years and I will have people in orbit. 100 years, and my colony ships will be heading for the stars, to search for planets unpolluted by the wrath and folly of a bygone generation", this is Houses ultimate plan. So having the NCR jsut... get taken behind the barn and have its head blown open and having New Vegas look like shit is just.... BLARG!
Though House was at those meetings, its clear he wanted no part in it but couldnt do anything to stop it.
All he could do was plan to save what he could. Him being in on those meetings is what kicked off him investing in saving what he could.
Basically data collection. Finding out their idea to drop the bombs.
He humored Vault Tec in the same way the Courier humored Caesar in a Mr. House playthrough. He got information and was there with his own plans for what to do going forward.
He might've also sponsored Vault 21 as a contingency on contingency and to keep an eye on Vault-Tec, making sure they wouldn't try anything that would upset his plans for New Vegas.
Hence why he dumped concrete in it when he was satisfied it was no longer needed.
Hank may actually be ignorant of House downfall caused by some guy with a bullet in his head.
So Courier may be canonic ruler of Vegas
If so , will we get a cannon courier or will it just be yes man telling them the boss is out and to leave a message
That what I'm scared of actually. I love New Vegas because game doesn't tell you WHO are you supposed to be, but instead gives you all the tools to become whom you want to. It's alright if Bethesda says that one of endings of NV is canon, actually I kinda liked the series and I would love to see Mr.House in action. But I hope they won't do anything specific with Courier. "Oh, yeah, I would help ya with force, had that one guy with strong fucking will, but we go our separate ways. He did his part anyways." - something like that would be good
@@stehouse with the amount of endings, it'd be pretty problematic to find a good compromise.
I doubt they would bring the courier back but if they did they would have to conceal his appearance real good with riot gear and make him a mute
@@pucciresetingthembobs5144 If Yes man's there, he could mention how his 'boss' left for something a while ago, and at the ending of the season, a figure approaches New Vegas, happy to be at home.
I think "complete fall' of the NCR is overstated too. Shady Sands was 35,000 peeps, so a HUGE amount of their population is still around, just reeling. Those who survived Shady Sands are of course going to teach about their immediate woes the most
I bet well find out in future seasons that other cities like Vaultcity, Hub, Klamath etc were also hit by nukes or some other major catastrophy so that Bethesda can more or less get rid of NCR as a substantial power.
Todd Howard seems to perpetually want the world to be a desolate wasteland with pockets of humanity living inside the crumbling ruins of the old world building homes out of scrap junk, unable to rediscover masonry or build infrastructure (save for BoS and enclave). In f4 we can probably be certain the Institute are wiped out. Gotta have that perpetual barely evolving wasteland.
They're definitely going to the nearest NCR city, like Vault city or something.
The reaction to the chalk board has to be the most overblown reaction I’ve ever seen, there’s an arrow between “the fall” and bomb diagram, they’re painfully cleary two different events or at the very least the start and end of a years long situation leading to the eventual blast.
Also people are quite literally making up new vegas is destroyed too, im in actual disbelief how many are saying that it is quite clearly not in the final shot, the fanbase can be so dumb and extreme at times, they have to make up justications instead of just admitting they don’t like something
Finally, someone actually watched the show!
It's also a literal classroom. It's obvious the teacher of said classroom was going to have their students try to fill in the blanks.
It's cause the ending credits show the strip looking in tatters, and if you watched the credits of each show, it shows places that they eventually go to, example KPSS is shown with a Shotgun leaning on a table with all the boobytraps.
@@omgness14 it’s not tho, it’s a stylised credit scene keeping everything in silhouettes cos they’re obviously not ready to spend budget on making or creating new vegas sets and cgi, there’s a running securitron in one shot and one downed ncr chopper doesn’t equal ruins.
Just think logically, why else would be Hank be going to vegas if not for Jodie who they included in the flashback? House alive = new vegas still alive
@@omgness14 I second the comment above about one dead robot and broken vertibird not equating ruins, but I want to add a little addition; maybe walk around the strip in game too. You have a handful of intact buildings and the rest of freehold is in ruins. What you saw was mostly Freehold.
It's a teaser, they aren't going to draw or 3D model every last speck of dust out there just to keep hardcore volatile fans from having a rabid fit. Much like how Vegas looked like a single city in the middle of the desert. Lots of people think this stuff is created with a wave of a magic wand but it's not. I'm ok with a few missing buildings, it got the point it was meant to make and that was to tease Vegas being in next season.
It was hinted on in the games that Vault-Tech started the War. It was not just for the show, that's a fallacy. You can find nukes with Vault-Tech logos in the games.
Yeah haven't people been theorizing that for years
@tinytim-sj2fb Fallout New Vegas, just north of the Devil's Throat, I believe.
Didn't F4 confirm China fired nukes first? It's been a long time so I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure the Chinese sub captain's mentions it. Plus 'the war' was technically started by China when they tried to take Alaska for it's oil.
@@G9_StudiosThere's nothing to the north of Devil's Throat, it's unaccessible. If you refer to The One - it's nothing more but an Easter egg
@purple_1884 I may be, it's been a real long time since I've played New Vegas, admittedly but I swear there are others.
The fall of shady sands was famine and drought they couldn’t recover from. 2277 was the start of the famine. So the fall. They didn’t add a date under the mushroom cloud is all. Most likely 2283-2284 my guess. 2-3 years after NV.
your right, this is the answer, people just seem to get angry that its not established in stone, even though anything we learn in the games is through second hand sources and not set in stone too, i dont understand the fuss.
headcanon as lore, we really be fallout vibin out here
@@hasanhaskovic4307 I asume you are referring to yourself. Because what I said is brought up and in game.
@@hasanhaskovic4307 What is your take?
Did you know that shady sands was not the capital of the NCR. It was the capital of the state. They control 4 states. 4 capitals. The Hub is actually the HQ of the NCR. Shady sands a shell of its former self in 2281. You find this out in NV!! If you actually snoop and find all the little things. The things not just prest into your face you would know.
@@Trampus10-4 bait used to be believable.
Just a theory. Maybe the NCR in the North- East Mojave were kept in the dark about how badly Shady Sands was actually failing leading up to the Battle for Hoover Dam to save morale, perhaps with the exception of high ranking officials like Oliver and Moore. The NCR was notorious for spreading itself thin and this would have been a perfect time for an opposing faction to attack it's capital with a vast percentage of it's forces being across the Mojave compromising defences. After the NCR lost to Mr House, they returned to Shady Sands to find it wiped out by Hank who saw the city's upheaval as an opportunity to eliminate what he saw as a threat to Vault-tec's monopoly on civilization. Also, Elder McNamara already knew of the NCR's incompetence in the region thanks to Courier 6 and could have gotten word to the other chapters which would explain the Brotherhood's superior presence in the area. Hopefully, the showrunners will put some kind of explanation, perhaps like this, together in the next season. And what was the BOS doing at Shady Sands when it got nuked? In the show, a young Maximus is saved by a Brotherhood knight. Could the Brotherhood have possibly indirectly assisted in the fall of Shady Sands leading up to it's destruction. The NCR had a lot of enemies like the Great Khans and the BOS would have had no problem enlisting a bunch of similar tribes to do their dirty work for them (potentially escaping retribution if such an attack failed) while assisting with weapons and resources behind the scenes.The BOS weren't exactly on good terms with the NCR, had a history with them; the latest exchange being at Helios One in 2276; one year before the supposed fall of Shady Sands. Again, just theories.
It also totally fits in with the game since it's mentioned that Shady Sands wasn't supporting much/if at all in the Mojave, and Kimball showing up was a publicity stunt to try and make it seem like they were bolstering the further reaches of the NCR (and to get out of a heating up Shady Sands since the nuke ends up dropping one year after the events of NV).
MR house was always the rational one. He was the only one making effort to save vegas from nukes
The House ending SHOULD be the canon ending. Why kill off a great character?
Couldn't agree more with you.
No thanks.
@@andyfriederichsenew ncr and legion are so boring tho. Also house plans to save civilization while ncr is just surviving
@@niccolo2116 The NCR is not boring. It's interesting having a faction that is literally a country/nation formed after the collapse of civilization. Every other faction besides the Legion is either disorganized raiders, one settlement, or a thinly spread organization.
House plans to build his own empire and rule it as a dictator. House is a corrupt, greedy tyrant who severely punishes anyone who won't bend the knee to him or who tries to side with anyone else. You can find this out very easily in-game even if you only talk to House. He's egotistical and manipulative. People complain about the NCR's taxes but at least they don't take 50% of the revenue you make. His planned utopia has all power centralized around him and him alone. If he dies, his new civilization fall apart.
No, the NCR isn't simply "just surviving". It's a nation big enough and organized enough to have the same issues any nation inevitably gets afflicted with. Even then, the only reason its currency has lost value was because of a BoS terrorist attack that blew up most of the NCR's gold reserves. The NCR is big and has a competent (and strong) enough military to that House literally needs a securitron upgrade and an army of securitrons to be able to kick them out of the Mojave. Yes, they needed to go east to get more water but we literally find out from an NCR Ranger that they only needed to find more because they previously mismanaged the lakes and wells in California in the past.
no canon endings they suck and it's literally in the contract
I like the idea, but I don't know, as you can see in the credits sequences destroyed NCR vertibirds and Securitrons, so there was a conflict inside the Strip, So New Vegas isn't intact, I think the Yes Man ending would aslo fit with this
But you can also argue the other endings could also had happend, If the NCR won a conflic between the families and the NCR could had happend after the destruction of the capital, and if the Legion won, after Ceasar's dead Lanius would overextend his forces to keep th Mojave and he would start worring about losing the East (This is foreshadowed in various dialogues in the game, especially with Lanius during the last battle), so he would return east and the NCR and the Families would figth to retake control
I think the would keep the ending ambiguous
Yeah but then why Hanks would like to go to New vegas if house is dead ?
@@maximeblanco6117 but how does he know that House is dead?
The Yes Man ending could also make anything the second season brings totally canon. They could just say that a psycho-Mailman take over vegas and brought total chaos into the Mojave.
@@maximeblanco6117 Well remember that they outsource vaults to the various companies so maybe he knows something about the vaults in that area
Also remember that vault-tec sees everyone that isn’t them competitors, and the idea was to divided the vaults and see which one of there ideas won, son Hank would see Rob-Co as competitors, so I don’t think he is looking for Mr. House but Barb Howard, as his assistant and Vault-Tec employ he would know were she is, it makes more sense he is looking for her instead of Mr. House, I think she is still alive either frozen, a brain, a computer, or maybe a ghoul
My theory is that they are going to use the plot of Diana from the Black Isle Studio’s cancelled Fallout 3, also known as Van Burren, who was a human brain attached to a supercomputer
What if hanks goal is to reseal himself inside the lucky 38 and reactivate Any remaining securitrons as a last stand against his daughter and the brotherhood.
The presence of the BoS at Shady Shand could be explain by the Eastern Brotherooh sending reinforcement to the West. In the first episode, the order to pursue the target come from the chapter in the Commonwealth. This indicated that the BoS win in Fallout 4 (or the Minutemen but it seem less likely). After this victory, Maxson would surely send help to the Western BoS, which was in a dire situation. That would explain why Western BoS would recruit wastelanders like we saw in the show: they adopted some practise of the East. These BoS reinforcements are probably an other explanation for the NCR fall. It would be much harder for the NCR to fight a Brotherhood which can reconstitute it's rank by recruiting Wastelander. Then with Shady Sand destroyed, the NCR probably disintegrated, which each community going independent instead of supporting each other.
A minutemen/brotherhood alliance would make sense.
The strip might also be destroyed due to the tunnelers from the divide
Yep, they were my problem with any New Vegas ending.
@dennis2376 Yea it's kinda funny seeing everyone get mad that NV might be destroyed. When obsidian themselves made that canon
If anyone has a chance at beating the tunnelers its house and spoilers
the scene where vegas was destroyed was in a credit part which has shown places that as far as we know are intact like the BOS base in ruin so I doubt the strip is in ruin at the moment
i doubt it, tunnelers are established to be afraid of lights and mr house constantly keeps new vegas lit up like a christmas tree
@amyroseliz but at the end of episode 8 we do see the strip is eerily dark without a single light i feel like vegas has already fallen but we'll see in s2
Not really a retcon, if House had predicted the nukes dropping then why wouldn't he at least entertain the idea of investing in vault-tec. He may have eventually diverged in method but there really is no reason for him not to be at the table.
There is a small thought that the "Fall of Shady Sands" and the "Destruction of Shady Sands" were 2 separate events. That Shady sands lost control in 2771 and was ultimately destroyed at some later date but yeah timeline wise its got people in a tizzy.
*2277
No kidding, that timeline has got people in a “Tizzy”
Kimball visits Hoover Dam from Shady Sands in 2281; Shady Sands can't be destroyed nor even lost control before that. It was still the capital after 2277. At least according to New Vegas.
@@San_Vito The bomb on Shady Sands falls around December 2282. Fallout new vegas ends on the beginning of that same year. Also everything regarding vault 31 (32 and 33) is linked with the Societal Preservation Program, showed in the games
according to the fallout wiki
Fall of shady sands happens 2277 - 2280's
2nd battle of hoover dam 2282
hank blowing up shady sands 2282 (same year but possibly months later) and lucy and her brother are 5-8 ish years old as their mom was trying to take them away.
tv show set in 2297
Todd, Todd never changes.
We see New Vegas in ruins, though. So it might be that no matter what ending there was, it wasn't sustainable. By 2296, everything had fallen into shit, again.
But I would fall to my knees in awe and terror if Joshua Graham is revealed.
God I hope we see or hear about Joshua in season 2
@@potatofarmergyro1720 He might be in his 70's or 80's. But if anyone could make it, it's the Burned Man.
It doesn't look in ruins though. The show has a sort of grim madmax style that might make it seem that way but it doesn't look much different from Vegas during the day in the game screenshots
@@crazando There's a crashed NCR vertibird and a destroyed securitron
Honestly, I'm guessing that the Hoover Dam got damaged at some point, cutting off power, or that with the death of Caesar the region around NV was thrown into chaos. Even without establishing a canon ending there's a lot that could have gone wrong. Still, given the need for story development and such, would imagine House winning and playing a major enigmatic role next season. Deals with the devil and all that.
No it isn't a retcon because he can still predict years and years before they told him and still act like he is on board so as to not arouse suspicion. And the meeting definitely isn't in 2065 or earlier because the bombs are dropped in 2077 and the Ghoul's daughter still looks near the same age which is easy to tell with children. House isn't just greedy, he did the right thing and could have protected the Mojave if his courier had delivered the chip to him sooner.
Also the brotherhood could have been at Shady Sands because they had a place at lost hills.
The legion could have still kept the buildings up and such but I do believe House is the winner. Also I feel Hank is just a bit deluded about House being a friend since everything points to him betraying the mission of vault tec to kill the surface dwellers and make everything controlled by vaults and a new society. House probably did use the meetings to his benefit like the vault right in vegas that is focused on gambling then hundreds of years later house gambles them to rejoin society.
Honestly, it to me seems like it could end any way:
Courier wins, Vegas collapses due to inefficient rule, or is overtaken by NCR eventually
House wins, Vegas still seized by NCR eventually from overwhelming numbers (hence NCR Vertibird).
NCR wins, but due to corruption, and perhaps external events, including Fall of Shady Sands, Vegas is abandoned/overrun over time.
Legion Wins, after 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam, fighting takes place in New Vegas, now occupied by NCR. New Vegas is virtually destroyed, but the Legion collapses due to death of Caesar, infighting, and disloyal tribes.
Just a few headthoughts. Nothing is 100% clear by what we see, only that New Vegas isn't a crater.
TBH, I think that if Mr House won, his upgraded Securitrons would have annihilated NCR Vertiberds. I’m looking forward to seeing Securitrons in any future episodes, set in New Vegas
@@JRH2385 I could see that happening as well. Those upgraded securitrons were badass.
My personal theory:
Yes Man is the canon path, and Yes Man was always a Trojan horse developed by Enclave and left inside Vault 21 on purpose…as they know House was doing his own thing and thus a potential uncontrollable variable in the future.
Basically, Vault Tec deliberately made the most lavish vault right underneath House’s nose that they knew House couldn’t resist opening.
Little did he know that inside lay the code for a program that could override his control. Knowing he’d take the bait, seal the vault, and that the offer to control the strip would be too good to refuse for those on the surface. We also know in the game that the citizens of Vault 21 felt betrayed by House, and could have themselves been enablers of this path.
Whomever ‘controlled’ Yes Man would be temporary. Eventually his program goes AWOL and destroys Vegas until someone senior at Vault Tec comes in (which is where Hank comes into the picture).
This also explains potentially why there’s so many NCR related vehicles destroyed. Perhaps when going AWOL they went after NCR too and they spent a lot of resources pacifying the robot army.
He probably doesn’t know this going there and is just looking for Mr House, but it’ll be revealed that not only did Vault Tec kill Mr House technically, but also started the war.
In a way it’s a double twist: a twist in the show AND a twist that you the player were manipulated in FNV
I think it's very clear they left it vague and open because of the gap between seasons. A lot of new work, new talent coming in, etc, will shape season 2 in a completely different way. Them finalizing plans for New Vegas before S2 is even in the works would be silly.
Surprised I had to scroll a bit to find a comment like this.
The board states that fall of shady sands started in 2277 but maximus says it was nuked 15 years before the show, so a year after new vegas.
Him being at the table does not mean he didn't calculated that the end of the world was happening, he just made sure he was at the table to control how it happened
I suspect that one of the others at the Corporate Cabal found out about his preparations to defend New Vegas and that he was but one step away from making it a certainty (installation of the platinum chip) and moved up the date for launching the nukes by one day because they felt Mr. House was effectively “cheating” in their little post apocalyptic wager for who would control the future of America. If House could have kept Vegas fully intact with significant energy, technological and military resources intact with a fully intact human population still on the surface, others would have perceived it as an insurmountable advantage while the others were forced to toil away in their respective vaults or other bunkers.
I always figured Mr. House’s ending would be canon. Siding with him is the best scenario in New Vegas
The loss of the capital would not cause the destruction of the Republic any more than the burning of Washington caused the downfall of the USA in the war of 1812.
I really hope the show won't just make House the villain of the second season. They'll probably just turn him into another Big Bad Corpo Man and have him be the typical capitalism villain of the week instead of the nuanced and complex character he was in the game. I hope I'm wrong, but that's where I see the show going.
The show has done a good job at showing the negative aspects of capitalism so far without smearing the good. Don’t see why you’d make that prediction
@@Robertedwinhouse38 It's just pattern recognition from numerous Hollywood productions. I guess I should give these writers the benefit of the doubt, though. Like I said, I hope I'm wrong.
Honestly quite possible. Hollywood hates capitalism (despite profiting greatly from it)
@@thehousealwayswins8398 yeah hope u r wrong, its really interesting if we have more complex character that may have big impact for further story. more lore about how the fallout capitalism works. the goverment, that big 4 corp (robco, repconn, big mt, west tek).
That is assuming House is still alive and not Yes Man 💀
House ending is the most canon friendly. Its also clearly the ending the devs wanted us to choose.
I wouldnt say that ncr is the most peaceful and stable if you listen to the npcs they say that the line between legion and ncr is very thin traders prefer legion since they have more secured land
Legion also charged lower taxes on the traders
I don't understand why people are assuming that New Vegas was destroyed, it's daytime, its lights obviously wouldn't be on.
Another thing is that this is just a mocap of the city, it is not necessary to show Camp McCarran, or some details of the map from the game. We know it's Vegas because of Lucky 38.
exactly. people are acting like all of vegas was wiped off the map when you can clearly see it was a simplified artistic depiction of it because it's a backdrop and not a full location. i'm ok with some missing landmarks because it did what was intended; to clearly show that season 2 is going to be in new vegas.
The animation in the ending credits shows Vegas destroyed. Unless they retcon that as well in the next season, what little we've got points at Vegas being destroyed. Plain and simple.
@@tiranito2834 It doesn't show it destroyed any more than it was in Fallout:NV due to nuclear blasts and decay it already had.
@@crazando Dude we literally see House's dead securitrons on the ground as well as NCR Vertibirds
II's not an assumption.
Look at those NV pictures during the credits roll. lol
my theory is house cooperated with vault tec to not be undermined by them in the show, so I'm thinking hank will be surprised he's not really his ally in S2, as for why the brotherhood went to shady sands aftermath, I'm guessing Maximus stayed in the fridge for quite a while for him to be able to walk out so I'm guessing the BoS moved in to either help maybe or more likely to grab the territory now that the NCR was extremely weak
The House always wins, I rest my case.
Graham Wagner, one of the showrunners was quoted saying the writers wanted to avoid making any of the game endings cannon.
As it would invalidate the experience of the gamers and what they perceived to be "their" favorite endings.
So, just speculation here... but my guess is they will avoid making any of the endings cannon, while writing scenarios that would've conquered any of the winning faction(s) that eventually happened in New Vegas and the Mojave.
So, for example, if House would have won... the Enclave (or someone else) eventually went in and took him out.
Hence, the evidence of the destruction in the credits of Episode 8.
Bethesda is bipolar, they turned the good ending of fallout 3 into canon. But why wouldn't New Vegas have its own?
It seems to me like a cowardly ending for New Vegas, if none of the endings are true, it removes the meaning of any ending. No matter what I choose, it will never be real.
@@gonfr5091 Congrats, you seem to have understood why that choice was made but yet you missed the point entirely; that picking one ending would make people just as mad as you are right here that their favorite ending didn't get picked.
You know the best part? You know how to validate your ending? Play the game, like everyone else.
@@gonfr5091 I'm just speculating based on an interview I saw my friend...
At the same time, I'm not sure how they COMPLETELY avoid making any of the endings at all cannon.
It doesn't really seem feasible...
Especially if they do games and shows in the futures of any of the areas they already have stories based in... like the show is doing in the California/Nevada region currently.
It also doesn't mean any of the endings aren't "true"... it just means that after everything, someone else eventually won.
War never changes... and in the Fallout universe... it never ends.
honestly i dislike this style of writing because it leads to us never seeing our favourite characters again. If its a 'hey anyone could of won new vegas but it doesnt matter because its destroyed now :)'. Its worse than picking an ending, imo picking the Mr House ending has way better story potential than just it being rubble now.
@@SpinfoilHat I think you have a really good point, I've changed my mind about that now.
I really didn't see it from that perspective.
Doesn't necessarily retcon house predicting the war. He said he predicted it as early as 2065, he could've done that then been invited to the meeting later and had his prediction confirmed.
Vegas still standing doesn't confirm the legion didn't win. Caesar wanted it to be his new rome, he didn't plan to raze it. They PROBABLY didn't, though.
What does seem confirmed is that the Divide's nukes weren't used against the Long 15, as Hank doesn't seem to have any trouble getting to the Mojave.
Nah 3/4 game endings House dies…so it’s gotta be somebody
by process of elimination of NV's Ending with what the TV Show gave us:
-NCR's Ending:
If NCR merge victorious within the battle of Hoover Dam, the entire collapse of NCR wouldn't make much sense since if that's the case NCR should be more prosperous and no need to turn into raider-like being we see in the TV Show. In fact the NCR in the TV show just showed they're at worse state than in New Vegas, the only explaination we can get is NCR loss the Hoover Dam.
-Legion Ending:
It wouldn't make sense because if that's the case then the Legion will be the main antagonists of the Fallout TV show and we didn't see a single hint of Caesar's Legion's existence in the show.
-Independent Ending:
This one is the 2nd most likely ending they gonna choose, but it felt like a terrible decision because this in-turn will make Courier (our character) to be a developing character which goes against the intent of having a Player Character in NV on the first place, it's playing too much with fire and a bad decision by itself
House's ending felt like the most made sense out of all the scenario that the Fallout TV series made
just because house was going along with the negotiations doesnt mean he didnt know the war was coming. he simply keeps his cards close to his chest.
By the way tge conversation went it doesn't seem like he participated in the bombs dropping plus his prediction was years prior to that so he was still right
The NCR could have fell for many reasons one could be because they couldn't stabilize the currency after all their gold reserves had been destroyed during the NCR and BOS war, so it was only a matter of time. Two with out a president and General they would have been easy pickings we know the NCR was so loosely speard and demoralized without any leadership the soldiers probably became raiders of sort self serving. Third NCR could hardly defend it's citizens from raiders so it wouldn't shock me to find out with the loss of the Mojave Raiders would smell blood in the water. Last one if you follow Cass's story you kill the head of Crimson cavern. Afterwards they pull out of NCR in house ending. Which means the NCR could not supply anyone or anything. All of these things could have helped lead to the fall of the NCR.
I, too, think The House Always Wins is the canonical ending to New Vegas they are running with. House ended up with all of the Strip and Freeside by the end of that, and it only stands to reason that he would have expanded his boundaries in the last fifteen years. The wall surrounding most of New Vegas, what looks to be much more than just Freeside and the Strip, is a very strong indication of this.
Corrections: NCR isn't destroyed, just weaken. This has been confirmed by Todd Howard. Vault-Tec played a part, but did not drop the bomb themselves.
I legit hope the NCR isnt actually completly gone, just weekened after the destruxtion of Shady Sandy.
My theory since we see the strip in the credits which looks in tatters is that I personally think Legate Lanius's ending could be Cannon. But House is obvs alive and won cause why else would Henry travel there? But all I hope is the Legion is shown in Season 2
He may not know house is gone. He’s going there for his help but hasn’t had any contact with him since before the war. Maybe if shutting down house is canon instead of killing him hank will turn house back on. Or he could be dead and yes man will be there waiting
Overall, I agree with the points, and I think you make a good argument, but there are a few things to note: While not explicit, the show seems extremely keen on establishing that Vault-Tec *didn't* actually drop the nukes. They definitely intended to, but intending to do it doesn't mean actually being the ones to have done it. The opening scene of the show itself goes against this notion, given that:
1) One of their highest ranking members's daughter was out and about when the nukes dropped, someone so high rank, they were negotiating deals with the most powerful people in the country, and according to the last episode had to still be in contact with Vault-Tec when the nukes dropped, on account of the Ghoul demanding to know where his wife and daughter are from a Vault-Tec employee, something that would only make sense if they ended up going to a Vault somewhere.
2) If we assume Mr. House never openly betrayed Vault-Tec's trust, it makes no sense he wouldn't have known when the bombs would drop if Vault-Tec was indeed the one dropping the bombs. Given his high influence, he could have most likely even asked for a day or two's delay for the sake of finishing the platinum chip on time... The Platinum chip that mind you completely flies against everything Vault-Tec wants, and would heavily imply he's only playing along with Vault-Tec/The Enclave's madness so they don't grow suspicious of him and discover his doomsday prepping. Come to think of it, the one way I could see Vault-Tec still being the ones to drop the nukes, would be if they had discovered House's plot, and acted at the last minute, so he couldn't throw a wrench in their plans by saving part of the surface like he did. It would also explain why the Enclave (who is implied to be tied to Vault-Tec like you said) would be butchering Vault Dwellers in Fallout 2. They could be targetting RobCo vaults specifically.
Also, honestly, his presence at the meeting isn't really a retcon. What he said about predicting the end of the world, about doing so in 2065 means there was a 12 year gap between him starting his preparations and the actual end of the world. Meanwhile, based on the daughter's appearence, we can clearly see this meeting took place not long before the actual apocalypse, maybe two or three years at most if we suspend our disbelief a little bit given that obviously they couldn't have aged the child actress between shooting scenes. He's shown entirely non-plus'd by Vault-Tec's plan to blow up the world, which frankly would make perfect sense if we assume by this time he already knew that the world's days were numbered. At most he learned at that meeting that Vault-Tec is another group of bomb happy lunaitcs ready to pull the trigger. I especially appreciate that every time he's on screen and opens his mouth, it's just to question what Vault-Tec is going to do, and cast shade on their ideas. His overall motivations are intentionally not made clear, but his main goal in the scene is clearly to figure out where everyone stands and what to expect.
(Also, this is neither here nor there, and while I kind of get why people over idolize the NCR, it's always strange to hear people sing their praises while in Fallout 2 they are somehow more corrupt than New Reno and Vault City, betray other factions' trusts in multiple of that game's endings to enact military coups, literally can become Enclave 2.0 if their Presidente for Life Tandi's iron rule isn't reinforced by the Chosen One helping her terrorize a bunch of refugees, said Presidente for Life in not so subtle ways is implied to have had her father and his right hand man assassinated - because let's be honest, the head of state and the minister of defense 'dying while looking for a vault to check up on an old friend' and the new president staying in office for multiple decades is an utterly insane thing to just casually establish totally happened exactly as she claims - only for then New Vegas to double down on them being a blatant parody of the worst parts of the US with open jingoism, 'accidental' genocides, shooting deserpate wastelanders for trying to use a previously freely available water purfier that the NCR 'acquired', intentional destabilization of communities so they can swoop in and be heroes, hiring the most hilariously unqualified people for important jobs because clearly their chain of command is a joke and most likely built entirely around nepotism, and more. Also the show now has their remnants openly have a borderline Dunwich death cult. I get that the NCR's propaganda is pretty good in New Vegas, but come on. Just because Kimball doesn't start stroking a white cat in his chair while detailing his secret evil plot in the final act, it doesn't mean they aren't just a more open minded version of the Enclave from Fallout 3 that also had all those lovely things to show and say via their Eyebots, radio and billboards. #MacLeanDidNothingWrong #UlyssesShouldHaveNukedFirst)
House explained his process, there was a probability of the nukes happening year after year, added up over multiple years, it was pretty much a certainty. It’s similar to, for example, someone having a 1 in 3 chance every year of getting a broken leg. Over the years, this probability repeating makes it a certainty. The probability, however, doesn’t tell you exactly which year you will break your leg. But it does tell you that with the risk repeating year after year that it should be treated as a certainty.
Vault tec didn’t start the war. The Chinese did bc of FEV development. The NCR isn’t collapsed, it’s diminished and has a new capitol elsewhere.
It is the best ending so im glad for that house is an awesome caracter
idk i feel like NCR Ending is more canon, still this is a nice theory.
Yeah, me too
Nah, a House win makes more sense for a simple reason: if he doesn't wins, that means we'll never see his character/faction again, as he's too unique of a character for that. If the NCr doesn't win the Mojave they can still be around.
@@PedroGomes-cx7ku house's fraction is unique and interesting. but he also wants everyone in 2381 to be in space.
The NCR ending will not make sense
NCR ending is completely soulless and prob the most bland ending tbh. It might make the most sense realistically, but all the events leading up to and during the whole game, sort of points toward a Mr. House/Yesman ending.
I hope we get to see Caesar’s Legion remnants… Perhaps one of the lesser Legates or Lanius himself leads an ISIS type Legion successor group 🐂
La verdad yo si quiero ver a la legión pero una que tras la muerte de lanius el mensajero fue como Agusto que transforma a la legión en algl más similar a la Roma del siglo 1 con democracia y que lq gente de la NRC se fue a vivir ahi
3:42 House says he ran the projections in 2065, the corporate meeting takes place likely in the early 2070's. He figured it out and was taking steps to protect Vegas long before he walked into that meeting room. Likely he only went to that meeting to get an inside handle on just how dire the situation was. Then he started working on the Platinum Chip project to upgrade his Securitrons, but was unable to get the chip in time to make the system upgrade before the war
This whole video is absolute COPE considering that New Vegas isn’t light up and the walls are wrecked…
Yes! The lights being out in New Vegas at best means it’s a Ghost Town, at worst it’s a mass grave.
Bruh, you're assuming too many things from a fricking 3 second scene. I highly doubt they actually showed 100% accurate Vegas.
@@darkphoenix2745 Why did they show it like that then? A "fricking 3 second scene" that shows New Vegas destroyed.
@@user-kj14pj8lv8It didn’t look destroyed to me, just daytime.
"Why was the BoS at Shady Sands aftermath?"
Technically, a BoS T60 suit was there and that's all we know
i mean for all we know it could of just been a single squad to see what that large asf bang was.
No, we also know they took Maximus in. It can't be a random rogue T-60 suit.
@@San_Vito Are you sure? Why did Thaddeus say they picked on him as a new recruit? He was clearly an adult when they were picking on him.
nuclear blast would have attracted the BoS because someone is used high technology.
@@Snuckster2 That's adding context that isn't there. I'm going off of what was actually in the show.
Mind, more than capitalism I believe that House cares more about being a figure from the past that can be remembered in the future. He states quite clearly that in a century with enough power he can send people to space and given more people would be able to escape the earth to look for other planets to colonize. He's a visionary, ruthless and cold as he may be, he cares. And he is Mister House, a man whose company skyrocketed and built some of the greatest inventions ever made in all manner of fields.
I think that he didn’t win *purely* based of the fact that Vegas isn’t lit up in that final shot
watch the credits after they show new vegas. to me is shows the strip is destroyed also where are the lights ?
No the strip looks normal and doesn't run the lights during the day time.
@@crazando how do you explain the securitrons lying around the floor in the credits?
@@Luis-mq5ey
a new faction arrived, and somehow in war with House,
and father and daughter join different faction, and find out the war is part of something big, and so on
the explanations could be limitless
@@acupoftea8635 not even the NCR or BOS tried to go to war with house's army of securitrons. I doubt a new faction can be the explanation. More likely is that todd is bitter still about New Vegas and is trying his best to break the lore of it
Not necessarily. The NCR during New Vegas was presented as being in the process of over extending themselves. If they won I could see that continuing, leading to their collapse.
The ending pictures of Vegas shown in the post ending of the show I think people are overthinking it’s just what New Vegas looked like after the bombs, they stopped most but general chaos would still ensue and he did miss one or two if I recall. The show has jumped back and forth consistently and I think this is one of those moments.
About your point on Brotherhood and NCR relationship, they were at each other throat for a long time now since late 2250. NCR starts expanding around 2240 and NCR starts acquiring Old-world Technology to develop their Republic. The thing about brotherhood after the first Maxson is that they hoard technology and will not let anyone but their own faction have them. NCR and brotherhood argue about which technology belongs to whom and brotherhood adopted a policy to seize any advance Old-world technology, particularly Energy weapons. There was a good(or selfish) reason why not many ingame faction use energy weapons and power armor other than BoS,Enclave and Van Graff. After that It was a long war between Brotherhood and NCR.
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Why would house allow the strip to be destroyed? Aren’t his securitrons very powerful with missiles and miniguns? Idk it doesn’t make sense.
Also the Legion needed Vegas for a new capital, he never intended to destroy it.
Depends really on which ending, for example the securitrons only got upgraded cause of the Courier getting the chip from the Legion if you sided with Mr House. The show could also follow a completely original ending where different things happened at the end of Fallout New Vegas
In the ending credits you can see securitirons broken laying around the strip in front of a lucky 38 in ruins
We actually don't know that it is destroyed. It doesn't look crazy different from how it did during the daytime in Fallout:NV
@@crazando like I said, watch the ending credits
Or as house would say "want to see the fates of democracies? Look out the windows"
so based
I think house winning is a possibility, but the courier winning could explain why the lights aren't going anymore. I don't know if we will see the courier as a character, but i would be suprised if they did not show his impact on the world in the next season.
You miss the point with the Brotherhood and NCR. They are not really enemies, but they follow a different idea. The brotherhood are remaining military personnel while the ncr is more like a biiig militia.
Especially, after shady sands was destroyed, the NCR is highly weakened. I would not wonder that in S2 they will meet more of regular NCR troops and no longer „militia“ like Moldaver has.
There is also no reason why the NCR and Brotherhood wouldn’t work together. But if the brotherhood would get the feeling of „falling behind“, they would go into action against the NCR in a large scale.
The Brotherhood in the Amazon series also doesn’t give the vibes of the game brotherhood
In the show there is a chalk board it says shadysands was nuked in 2277. A few years before new vegas.
Todd hates that New Vegas and the original fallout 1&2 is seen by a lot as a better games. He is using the show to give a middle finger to them.
definitely not
it says shady sands FELL in 2277. theres an arrow showing it was nuked after that
I must have missed that. This show does the NCR dirty. Which is a bummer because they are my favorite faction in the whole franchise.
If Todd had anything to do with the writing or creation of the show, it would have been set on the East coast, and would be much less clever. The writers clearly leaned much more into FO1-2 as far as lore and story. The BoS from this are straight out of FO1, which makes them more more like a religion, and I think that's neat.
@@BRUXXUSYes. They definitely went more off the lore of the older games.
This show is more along the lines of cringy fanfiction than real fallout.
Nah fam
The Brotherhood had territory in the Lost Hills Bunker and other chapters in California ergo Circle of Steel and every elder talking about the West Coast council of Elders.
I just realized something with this video. If the enclave, and vaultech by extension had this limitless cold fusion energy, why didn't they use it to take over the wasteland? I mean you could maybe argue. They didn't know that there were vault tech employees still around, but I'm pretty sure in real life just about every encryption can be broken if given enough time and resources. The enclave would have both of those. Especially before the Oil rig was destroyed. Maybe there's an in-universe explanation but it seems like a plot hole to me.
Given the state of New Vegas yet lack of NCR control (Every ending Caesar dies is an ending the legion collapses, and every ending the legion wins, the NCR raises an army), im guessing the Courier created an independent Vegas. House would never let that happen to Vegas and pretty much everyone including the courier had interest in his death. Im guessing when they find the Lucky 38, Yes man will be there, if anyone. I doubt they will directly show a protagonist, even one is famous as Courier. We could see characters like the Kings that arent removed return however.
“Delivery of the Platinum Chip is non-negotiable!”
Since we get flashbacks in the show, I'd love to see Mr. House's interactions with Hank past & present. That, and House's monologue about how he rebuilt New Vegas would be key. I hope we get to see flashbacks prior to 2281, showing the Three Families as they were before House recruited them.
I’d totally love if they went this route, but I wonder if Bethesda would really let The New Vegas writers that work for Obsidian actually help with the project.
I was thinking the same after I’m like yoooo that meeting made everything make sense. The sierra madre, the tests on all vaults, big MT, all of the harsh things companies were doing just before the bombs dropped like that power plant in 76
Incorrect on its face: New Vegas is not seen as a bright spot in the desert. Quite the opposite in fact, the walls are breached, there was a major battle, and everything is dark. Therefore, House was NOT successful.
The only way the games make sense to the lore of the series is if the player character is killed moments after they take control (unarguably the most common ending among all games). This means that Fallout 2 cannot be canon because it's based on the Vault Dweller founding Arroyo, and more importantly, the West Coast Enclave survives (also explains why they were able to deploy in D.C. in Broken Steel).
This means that the Courier was killed soon after leaving Doc Mitchell's house (probably by mantis nymphs), that the Mr. House ending CANNOT be canon (New Vegas would be seen as thriving instead of having a breached wall and dead Securitrons.), that Benny tried to make contact with the Great Khans but failed, that none of the 4 cinematic endings in New Vegas are canon, and that the destruction of Hoover Dam (not a potential ending in NV, I tried) must have been the only possible result to see the ending we do.
This does however mean that House still exists in a low-power Lucky 37, though all of the other casinos, and indeed Freeside and North Vegas are all abandoned. Goodsprings, overrun by Powder Gangers, is probably the only viable remaining location, as I expect Boone to have called the Legion's attention to Novac and the NCR presence in Primm and McCarren to have caused the Legion to eradicate them before the dam was destroyed. 188 trading post no longer functions as a crossroads, so it too dissolved. Perhaps a raider settlement in Camp Golf exists due to its access to fresh water and mirelurks.
The Boomers will also still exist.
It's also possible that the independent ending is canon, and it might be cool to see the courier running New Vegas from the Lucky 38, although it might be a little strange to meet a character we all spent so much time being. It also might kind of make sense from a "fan service" perspective since we already saw Mr House. It also might be that no one controls it, and the independent ending is canon and New Vegas is only kept civil by the continued rule of the Yes Man robots, and Hank goes there to take control of them.
Sounds like a pitfall of terrible ideas that will just piss off fans
Nice video, but I would say two things:
1) The show doesn't re-con Mr. House. He still could have came up with that prediction calculating the fact that Vault-Tec probably would have started the war. He could have been aware that they were building Vaults to begin with and figured that would be very costly for them.
2) The reason why the Brotherhood of Steel was there after the destruction of Shady Sands was to investigate. Remember they collect old technology and keep it hidden because they believe it will just be misused. They would want to know how something like that happened and would be on high alert.
I believe the brotherhood being there at shady sands could be explained away with max being in the fridge for 1-2 days and only being saved (like Billy from fallout 4) when a knight search party finds him
It's a very interesting theory, but then why do we see a devastated New Vegas and the Strip in the credits of the last episode? And the securitrons lying on the street don't exactly add to the confidence in Mr House's victory.
In fact, if Mr House won and captured the Hoover Dam with the help of the army of securitrons and the Courier, why do we see this picture? Even Lucky 38 is not illuminated, which is strange, given the dusk (and in the game, around this time, you could see the lights of New Vegas).
Doesn't it make more sense then that the Legion has won, having simply destroyed it all? Well, or it's the result of the Courier's inept handling of Yesman. Who knows?
Nevertheless, it would be very interesting to see how the writers will actually play this out next season :)
Personal theory, both his predictions and the show occurred as stated.
He may have decided that they were a chaotic lot that had little chance of succeeding but may provide useful intel and access to resources. They did a very poor job considering their power pre-war. House saw this as a sign of the coming end and accelerated his plans. The cabal talks and plays around with ideas until Vault tec makes contact with the early Enclave who really like the idea of wiping the slate clean. Seeing how poorly organized and ruthless the group is they decided to jumpstart the process with Valut tec. Taking the responsibility away from the cabal and giving him little reason to talk about it post war. Most of the reason that House was doing poorly in the game is he was missing one chip from pre-war. Seems a bit coincidental that this would be hard to get on zero hour unless the members either weren't notified or only some of them were. If he had the chip pre-Fallout Vegas would have been untouched by the missiles and probably a thriving city-state. His attitude doesn't fit either, being a lot more diplomatic about how he ran the city as opposed to the crazy/autocratic plans of the Enclave and Bit MT.
Looks like the Strip is completely abandoned & the sands swallowed up the area. Maybe we'll learn in Season 2.
Shady Sands is gone. Not the NCR. The Hub is probably now the capital of the NCR.
It is also typical of Fallout factions to face some form of setback and not be destroyed entirely. The Enclave is the best example of this... all of their defeats and they are still around.
I do not think the NCR is gone. Quite frankly, I would be surprised if they weren't still the most powerful faction on the West Coast.
The problem isn’t that the Enclave maybe has every last member gone. The problem is that the Enclave is a one trick pony that so far as a major faction only really does the same release a virus scheme.
They could spin it into mr house was lying to make himself not look evil for starting the war even if it was part of the initial lore.
It seems Season 2 is set up to explore what happened between The Ghoul and his Wife, now he has betrayed her, so we should see who actually triggers the Nuclear War. Vault-Tec saying they could drop the 1st Bomb does not mean they did.
Mr House at 1:57
I agree with this take; I believe Mr House won, but not without a big fight, the NCR tried to take Vegas and failed; But then a bunch of Deathclaws showed up, wrecked the place and House retreated into his underground Bunker. Despite this, pretty sure he controls the Dam, this would also add to the desperation of the NCR remnant to secure the cold fusion.
2065 almost probably happened before this meeting. It might even be his prediction that led Mr. House to being at that meeting.
Have to disagree. What it means is we have 3 ending possibilities.
1. House Always Wins
2. No Gods, No Masters
3. brand new ending.
I actually think No Gods No Master be the most fertile ending but if they instead decide to adapt the entirety of FNV they could.
8:00 Hank could also be heading there due to the Lucky 38 having "cryo beds". It's on a blink and miss it build board during the end credits of ep 8
7:49 did you miss the fact the fity is abandoned and appears in ruins with one of the walls having a big hole?
Dude…we’re gonna get a super intense flashback scene of House learning of the apocalypse starting and him rushing to take out each nuke to save new Vegas. I wonder if “the one” will be included. Hype!!!
People seem to assume that Mr. House is being 100% honest with us. He is obviously smart and calculates every move, meaning that whatever he says to the courier is not necessarily 100% true.
In the final episode, in the ending credit scene as it pans out through the The New Vegas strip everything is destroyed. Mr House would never let that happen if he had control over New Vegas. That makes me think that Mr House didn't win the Battle of Hoover dam but Caesar's legion did. Besides Mr House wouldn't make a great antagonist for season 2 but Caesars legion would I think.
Yes even the made dlcs for new Vegas has the legion as the enemies. Mainly since the legion doesn't see itself as part of NCR or the people. The legion see the people as animals and the legion being civilized in an animal world.
You just have to put lots of swatiska and it's settle.
I mean, House is also a sleezy man that keeps a lot of information and motives to himself -- choosing words to manipulate and convince people in his interest. So for him to not reveal that he knows about the Vault-Tec initiative is part of his character.
Also, it's the first season, and House in the series was revealed at the last three episodes and had VERY little dialogue. His words and expressions showed little interest about Vault-Tec's plan, so he might conspire against them to save his interest. His motives have not been developed, but his part on the show has been proved significant for the next season, especially since the show paid strong attention to make his reactions unique against the other CEOs in the meeting.