Cheaters Are Evolving

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  • Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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  • @ChessCenturion
    @ChessCenturion  3 місяці тому +56

    My opponent from this video has now been banned :)

    • @fascinatingfactsabout
      @fascinatingfactsabout 3 місяці тому

      There is a Tanmayrajput12 in there tho :D

    • @robertschehl5226
      @robertschehl5226 3 місяці тому

      You suck at chess, you’re cheating yourself. 🤣

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  3 місяці тому +1

      What we on about?😂

    • @domcastrobluefool
      @domcastrobluefool 3 місяці тому

      Not surprised, this cheater sucks at cheating tbh.
      A tricky cheater are the ones that plays like a human APART FROM taking more than 3 secs on an easy 1 second move.
      I always report them but none get deleted. I don’t think the cheat detector captures those things.

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  2 місяці тому +1

      Needs improving massively

  • @teejay62453
    @teejay62453 3 місяці тому +27

    Cheaters play dumb moves to lower their accuracy. Then later in the game they come back and rip your heart out. They want to avoid the high accuracy games. He has probably been caught before and just made a new account. There is no way around it. All it really takes is a move or two in critical positions to get the win. They don't cheat on every move. They have learned and evolved! If you look at his account he has just lost like 20 games in a row!🤣

    • @mariuszpudzianowski8400
      @mariuszpudzianowski8400 3 місяці тому +8

      It's even more hilarious when they get totally winning postion, start playing on their own and stalemate - happened to many streamers in the past. Also spending 8-10 seconds when they have one legal move is always funny.

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  3 місяці тому

      Yeah it makes it way harder to catch I guess, so so annoying

    • @MiniProfides
      @MiniProfides 3 місяці тому

      Only a cheater knows a cheater?

    • @mariuszpudzianowski8400
      @mariuszpudzianowski8400 3 місяці тому

      @@MiniProfides You follow enough rating climbs you gonna see one of couple patterns with cheaters: plays every move according to engine, gets losing position then turns on the engine or gets winning position and starts playing on their own.

    • @MiniProfides
      @MiniProfides 3 місяці тому +1

      @@mariuszpudzianowski8400 well I think I was the first one to talk about it. Chester's getting smarter. And yet, smarter for what? There is no gains if there is no money prizes. Just a big stupidity of wasting your time and theirs. But again, what is chess about? Isn't chess a waste of time?

  • @cktn.official
    @cktn.official 3 місяці тому +11

    No games against new accounts, no rematches against anyone. Two basics I stick to in online chess which save me a lot of wasted time.

    • @styleisaweapon
      @styleisaweapon 3 місяці тому +2

      or just religiously play 1 0 lightning/bullet .. if you run into a cheater there, its expected to be a clock cheat not an engine cheat, and they get detected and banned automatically after enough occurrences over some threshold

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  3 місяці тому

      Yep, I normally do the same but just forgot here lmao

    • @PseudoTertiothrow
      @PseudoTertiothrow 2 місяці тому

      So you check each account before you play them? Doesn’t that take some time and then you can’t abort

    • @anilbista7445
      @anilbista7445 2 місяці тому

      No rematches is the rule I play too
      Unless I chat with them or have played them before and seen their account

    • @anilbista7445
      @anilbista7445 2 місяці тому

      ​@@PseudoTertiothrowyou can abort unless you play the move
      Just check the number of games they have played that gives a general idea

  • @Aerixes.
    @Aerixes. 3 місяці тому +8

    wait.. the rudraksh guy is most likely friends with the tanmayrajput and they are versing each other to get some losses in, i reckon that if you check their games together they won't have insanely high accuracy on those. the difference of playing each other rather than strangers to lose is that if they play each other its much safer because it doesn't risk the stranger potentially reporting them because thats how cheaters are caught over time, its due to various reports, but if they play with each other they negate that risk and make their accounts seem normal while also lengthening the amount of games they have on the accounts to make it look more normal rather than just 4 games in total with 95/96% accuracy in all 4 of them.
    important to notice that instead of being friends maybe its 1 guy with 2 accounts because if you notice the rudraksh account is higher rated and tanmayrajput lost all of those games against rudraksh so maybe rudrakksh is his main account which would make sense because he is higher rated than tanmayrajput so maybe he is prioritizing his elo onto the rudraksh account, in the video we also saw that the rudraksh account is older than tanmayrajput so that reinforces my point of being 1 person with 2 accounts and rudraksh is their main
    note: they are also both from india, coincidence?

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  3 місяці тому +2

      Pretty sure it's the same guy with 2 accounts boosting himself

  • @PaullHutchh
    @PaullHutchh 3 місяці тому +4

    One of the reasons I don't take online too seriously anymore... In person is more rewarding even if it's only against friends and family

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  2 місяці тому +1

      Well if they're any good that is 😂

    • @PaullHutchh
      @PaullHutchh 2 місяці тому

      @@ChessCenturion Good point! Still I don't mind teaching them 😂😂

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  2 місяці тому +1

      Quite the responsibility being the dedicated chess tutor of the extended family 😂

  • @davidmcdonald1491
    @davidmcdonald1491 3 місяці тому +2

    I played a guy like this the other day, except he had games under he had lost over the last few weeks, but played above the clock and played at 97. something accuracy, it was insane

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  3 місяці тому +1

      Just no effort to hide anything at all

  • @ritsukasa
    @ritsukasa 2 місяці тому +1

    its great that you explain your moves in disciplined way. Normally the ones that do it are much stronger

  • @mirkovallius
    @mirkovallius 3 місяці тому +2

    @4:38 you consider different moves where Qb5, Nf6, e6 are mentioned as candidates. In such positions, especially if you are material up and prefer a safe way forrward (useful in blitz and rapid); as a rule of thumb, always look for moves that probably can't be avoided without serious concessions. In that position (4:38), after white recaptures on d4, I would say that e6 can not really be avoided, because e5 is not realistical. e6 also allows the f8-bishop to develop, and the knight can develop via either Nf6, or Ne7-c6 (or to f5). The f8 bishop should probably not go to g7, as that would require the additional g6 move as a preparation, losing time and making the already weak e5 square more critical later on. Given the above reasoning, I would appreciate being a pawn up and prioritize safety for the king and rapid development. My first move would be e6, no doubt, followed by developing the f8-bishop to d6 blunting whites f4 bishop in the process. I would then follow up with Knight to e7 and to c6 to put pressure on the pawn on d4, that can no longer be defended by a pawn (a big bonus). I would then castle king to safety and starting to focus on the pawn on d4. My queen would probably eventually find her way to b6 and the a8-rook would go to c8 and aiming to double rooks on c-file. If white allows major trades of rooks or queen, then this is a big advantage for black. I would say the position is already almost lost for white strategically.
    (Most probably computers would point out the above development scheme for black, but perhaps without the thought process, so I hope the comment helps. I am not an IM/GM-expert myself, but used to that position type.)

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  2 місяці тому

      Wow that's really insightful bro, I appreciate that!

  • @mariuszpudzianowski8400
    @mariuszpudzianowski8400 3 місяці тому +2

    This pawn sacrifice has actually been played before, lichess shows a game from '93 - idea is: Nb5, Bf4 attacking the knight and targeting the c7 square. It's not amazing for white but interesting.

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  3 місяці тому +1

      Just seems like it won't work as Ng6 has tempo or Nc6 prepares e5 to block the diagonal, funny that it's been played before tho

    • @eriksteffahn6172
      @eriksteffahn6172 3 місяці тому

      It's an interesting sac, but c3 makes no sense with it. If white plays c4 instead it's actually good.

    • @mariuszpudzianowski8400
      @mariuszpudzianowski8400 3 місяці тому

      @@eriksteffahn6172 Yeah, cheater was obviously trying to make some suboptimal moves to avoid getting caught. Didn't help though.

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  3 місяці тому

      Taking 5 seconds a move and playing perfectly is a little suspect to say the least 😂

  • @rafaelrocha5626
    @rafaelrocha5626 2 місяці тому +1

    the problem is that many cheaters don't cheat every game and when they cheat it's no for the entire game, if i had to guess at least 30% of the players between 1000-1800 cheat quite frequently

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  2 місяці тому

      I'd hope not but you may be right

    • @Jacobhart34521
      @Jacobhart34521 2 місяці тому

      You're just skill issued if you think 30% people between 1000-1800 chat frequently lol

    • @MrEggy
      @MrEggy 2 місяці тому

      ​@@Jacobhart34521 30% of players I play with often chat with me while playing

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  2 місяці тому

      MrEggy with the wholesome comment

  • @gregcranston3994
    @gregcranston3994 3 місяці тому +4

    Shocking ban 😂!

  • @domcastrobluefool
    @domcastrobluefool 3 місяці тому +1

    This cheater sucks at cheating tbh.
    A tricky cheater are the ones that plays like a human APART FROM taking more than 3 secs on an easy 1 second move.

  • @MiniProfides
    @MiniProfides 3 місяці тому +1

    I mean listen, even i considered only pawn to e6 and rook to c8 moves. I did not considered knight to f6 at all because i was thinking about the threats. I was like what does knight to f6 do? Just open the pawn get ready to castle fast.

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  3 місяці тому

      It's a fair point, I just didn't realise how immediate the threats were until I actually played Nf6, annoying but that's chess and I know I won't make the same mistake again

    • @MiniProfides
      @MiniProfides 3 місяці тому

      @@ChessCenturion good. Also as a reference. To improve in chess and become a good player, you should use the engine analysis without been told the best moves. This way you can use your own mind to analyse and understand why that move is bad or good when the engine bar fluctuates. This way you teach yourself to understand deeper using your mind, and your mind in difficult situations will use critical thinking to come up with understanding and best moves. I think that's the issue with engines and chess players. Providing best move insights and giving players easy alternatives without them even trying to think, or understand, teaches them to be lazy and learn nothing. And when the critical positions come, they are struggling because they been teached with easy, and easy doesn't come when they need.
      Sure, knowing basic opening principles before going into self analysis helps a bit.
      I think this is what people don't know when using engines. They think, oh it's easy I just need to learn the best moves and I'm the best.
      That's the problem I see in chess right now. We are teached with easy and laziness and we want trophies and to be in top spots, thinking engines teach us everything. I guess in a sense, that's why cheaters cheat.
      Because they get frustrated cause they can't be good at chess even with the engines. I don't see the point of cheating in chess. There is nothing to prove that you are better and just make people annoying by playing against a strong engine and make then go into deep thinking for nothing. No one gains anything, but frustration.
      Unless there is money involved, I don't see the point of cheating. Proving what?

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  2 місяці тому

      I like using engines to see the best move but then practically figuring out why personally and why they don't like moves I consider natural

  • @daisytaylor3630
    @daisytaylor3630 2 місяці тому +1

    Good video man. So many cheaters and I don't get It, It Is literally pointless and sad and spoils for people who wanna play proper. When the bars next to the flag start going up n down I believe Is the connection so highly likely to be cheating as the being used to cheat Is taking up signal ?

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  2 місяці тому

      Ahhh good point, I hadn't noticed during the game tbh but that'd definitely something to look out for

  • @Roberto-bd9fq
    @Roberto-bd9fq 3 місяці тому +1

    Rc8 not Nf6. Though it did not matter since he cheated and you would lose no matter what you did, if he wanted to win.

  • @blackman7186
    @blackman7186 3 місяці тому +1

    You know what the worst part is? You don't even know if you played and lost to a cheater if you don't have the membership because you can't do game review. I'm sure i have played many cheaters by now thinking that they were just good players.

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  2 місяці тому

      Yep, very unfortunate and a great point - sadly that's online chess rn

  • @egcgc7125
    @egcgc7125 3 місяці тому

    Not cheating you r just 800 elo

  • @KingPanda-lp5ir
    @KingPanda-lp5ir 3 місяці тому +4

    says the 2000 whos killing 1500

    • @teejay62453
      @teejay62453 3 місяці тому

      Are you ignorant, dumb or just plain stupid?

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  3 місяці тому +4

      Being 2000 and using 3000 elo stockfish aren't quite the same

    • @yoooyoyooo
      @yoooyoyooo 3 місяці тому +3

      ​@@ChessCenturionI do think smurfing is as annoying as cheating. You are crushing bad players and I'm 100% sure at least some of them thought this site is full of cheaters and quit. Even tho it might be a smurf.

    • @mariuszpudzianowski8400
      @mariuszpudzianowski8400 3 місяці тому

      @@yoooyoyooo Well in theory fast elo gains on new accounts and pairing system should limit the damage here. You actually get paired with people who are on long winning streaks when you keep winning - which also means you can be paired with a cheater.

    • @yoooyoyooo
      @yoooyoyooo 3 місяці тому +1

      @@mariuszpudzianowski8400 You will at least crush some souls on the way. I don't know. With so many people cheating and smurfing, I'm afraid many honest players just quit in disgust.

  • @poqqllla
    @poqqllla 2 місяці тому +5

    Even me 2300+ still losing to 1400 98% accuracy😢

  • @lhr3244
    @lhr3244 3 місяці тому +15

    Dude he played every move without even taking 2 seconds. Obviously cheating. His moves were soulless .

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  3 місяці тому +1

      Literally, u can tell when there's just completely unemotional moves

    • @mariuszpudzianowski8400
      @mariuszpudzianowski8400 3 місяці тому +2

      @@ChessCenturion That's one of the first things that make me suspicious of my opponent - no matter how many threats I make or how complicated the lines get, they don't seem to be bothered. To be honest, some people DO have nerves of steel or just don't see the threats lmao.

    • @lhr3244
      @lhr3244 3 місяці тому +1

      @@ChessCenturion I usually play against bots a lot. And he was playing like one. That's why I said that.

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  3 місяці тому

      Computers really do have a unique playing style

    • @lhr3244
      @lhr3244 3 місяці тому

      @@ChessCenturion yeah. At one point he started to play like one.

  • @ChimeMemeh
    @ChimeMemeh 3 місяці тому +8

    I am 2100 blitz and vsed a 900 elo cheater a few days ago, it was so sad

  • @hekdasa
    @hekdasa 3 місяці тому +4

    It is only fun to play at a high rating if you understand the games. No one would be impressed by your chess rating if you could easily discern their cheating with a Quick Look on their profile. This means that the guy does it to purely boost his ego which is weird when you cheated you way there. Playing at that level without cheating would just mean getting crushed 10/10 times which isn’t fun

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  3 місяці тому +1

      Exactly, bro probably doesn't even know how he won

  • @GreyGhost.
    @GreyGhost. 3 місяці тому +5

    TOTALLY agree .... Li Chess is even worse. It's not worth logging on.

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  3 місяці тому +6

      Lichess dont even have money to try tackle the issue sadly

  • @rumbled5461
    @rumbled5461 3 місяці тому +5

    cheating at chess is just cheating yourself.

  • @ruslanchernata4589
    @ruslanchernata4589 3 місяці тому +4

    I have a small trick to avoid potential cheaters: check when your opponent’s account was created, if less than 1 year ago - probably cheater or smurf, but it works on 1500+ elo

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  2 місяці тому +1

      Yeah I normally do it just forgot annoyingly

    • @Marc-yn8nd
      @Marc-yn8nd 2 місяці тому +1

      Ok. All account less then 1 year = cheater .
      Got it !

    • @MeritedMasterOfTheUSSR
      @MeritedMasterOfTheUSSR 2 місяці тому

      @@Marc-yn8ndfair enough for high elo

    • @MurthyRishi
      @MurthyRishi 2 місяці тому

      Damn you losers are so salty 🤣

    • @ruslanchernata4589
      @ruslanchernata4589 2 місяці тому

      @@Marc-yn8nd i said "probably", and probably doesn't mean that all accounts with 1500-1600 created less than 1 year ago are cheaters. That could be smurfs or really decent players.

  • @eriksteffahn6172
    @eriksteffahn6172 3 місяці тому +3

    58:08 This might be the weirdest part of the video. The position is of course a theoretical draw the whole time. Makes you wonder what kind of engine is used there that can lead to such a misevaluation.

    • @TonyLiu-xy2us
      @TonyLiu-xy2us 3 місяці тому +1

      There were a few small moments where black was winning as the line jumped between a draw and a loss. I’m assuming the engine was just lagging behind

    • @eriksteffahn6172
      @eriksteffahn6172 3 місяці тому +1

      @@TonyLiu-xy2us From 57:52 onwards it was a draw the whole time. I might be missing something, but I don't see how the engine lagging behind causes it to jump from a draw to a win, while it's actually just a draw.

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  3 місяці тому

      Yeah this is why I was so confused, its a theoretical draw - how can the engine get that wrong 😂

  • @kingslayer083
    @kingslayer083 2 місяці тому +2

    Lets do the procedure

  • @jmasta420
    @jmasta420 2 місяці тому +1

    Why not Queen c3c at the end , take the pawn with the rook and trade rooks?

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  2 місяці тому

      Sorry where do you mean?

    • @jmasta420
      @jmasta420 2 місяці тому

      @@ChessCenturion i don't recall but it was probably nothing lol...thx for reply

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  2 місяці тому

      Haha no worries man, appreciate you joining the conversation in the comments!

  • @kaboomer5607
    @kaboomer5607 2 місяці тому

    Lol i was actually thinking he was cheating because of the quick moves... and then he obv was cheating fhahahah

  • @TomasFojta
    @TomasFojta 3 місяці тому +2

    58:10 is a draw - black is not winning.

  • @truckersforfreedom4535
    @truckersforfreedom4535 2 місяці тому +1

    He is clearly using an engine its obvious. You are right some moves were just insane and not how a computer thinks. Even if you are 1800 its really hard to play an opening a certain style and then play perfectly out of the blue like you recuperated. And to find them in like 10 seconds those insane moves, no way. Im at 900 score

  • @RobertFierce
    @RobertFierce 2 місяці тому

    Bro he may be a cheater but you had everything and he had 2 pieces in the game and pawns. You missed 2 critical moves that gave him so much material by minute 15. You're too worried about developing when he has 2 snipers and your king is naked. That's literally the one time you want to trade for one of his pieces especially when that piece is his queen.

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  2 місяці тому

      Ofc I misplayed it but I think most people lose that to a literal computer

  • @PAPPADASH
    @PAPPADASH 2 місяці тому +1

    Not everyone is cheating. I got accused of cheating,a nd I'm 1200 blitz. I checked a guys king out into the open and was bullying him. He was like "Put the engine away" I started talking mad trash to him telling him I don't cheat, cause I don't. Even as a kid I hated people who didn't play games correctly, or people who didn't do something like that correctly. I hated cheating and would work hard at a skill based game to beat someone fairly. Anyway this guy was just adamant that I was cheating, and he was like You have games with 100 percent accuracy. Yes those games are reverse albin counter gambits where I mate or take someones queen in like 5 or 8 moves. But he was so adament I was cheating it was just funny. I trolled him hard telling him he's bad, and asking him "Why you so bad" Whats funny is both our accuracy was in the 60s in that game. People really need to stop and be sure people are cheating before accusing.

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  2 місяці тому

      Dude he is 100% cheating

    • @PAPPADASH
      @PAPPADASH 2 місяці тому

      @@ChessCenturion I didn't say he wasn't I just said not everyone is who people tend to think are.

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  2 місяці тому

      Yeh people do throw accusations around unecessarily sometimes tbf

  • @doingthework737
    @doingthework737 2 місяці тому

    Seems like his dumb moves were the engine planning your bitter end bc all pieces played perfectly against yours.

  • @EnriqueNuesch
    @EnriqueNuesch 2 місяці тому +1

    That's the good part I have from living a life in the gutters of the under-1000, we all suck ass down there, but almost never get to play with cheaters.😅

  • @chessmasterXxX631
    @chessmasterXxX631 3 місяці тому

    Give this Job to Kramnik, he’ll be so happy after getting a job to report someone 😂😂😂, but really well played though😊!

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  3 місяці тому

      Annoyed I played Nf6 but I was always gonna lose

  • @idcboutlife
    @idcboutlife 3 місяці тому +1

    Bro what’s your hair style?

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  3 місяці тому

      Uhhh no idea I just blow dry it for like 30 seconds backwards and hope it's presentable 😂

    • @WoodyGamesUK
      @WoodyGamesUK 3 місяці тому

      @@ChessCenturion It's kind if 1990's, somehow that's how I would define it, not that there's anything wrong.

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  3 місяці тому

      Tbf I highly rate how guys look in 90s films, call me old fashioned but I just don't like the pretty boy kinda look on me

  • @lordwilksy
    @lordwilksy 3 місяці тому

    The unrated player suffocates the cheater concerning online chess - Morphy

  • @PAPPADASH
    @PAPPADASH 2 місяці тому

    Yes you take on e5 and it's crazy you are 1500 and have to think about that. Also you are doing all this calculation at 6 minutes in, you need to push e6 to get your development going. You want to push that as early as possible. You are talking about not having development calculating nonsense push the pawn get your knight and bishop out, it's not rocket science this is basic Caro stuff. You need to push the pawn get developed and castle so you don't run into that rook bishop stuff. When you don't get castled as soon as possible you always end up getting hit hard by decent players. Also of course you want to take on B2 and then probably win the pawn on d4 also. Saying not taking on B2 is the idea because you thought about it 12 moves ago when the rook was close to the home square is just silly. Take the pawn, then get your bishop out pinning the Knight, you have tons of threats, you are playing far too passivly. You are worrying about what your opponent is going to do too much and reacting, instead of implimenting your own forcing ideas. You need to work on that. When you review your games the engine will almost always say taking free pawns and pieces is best, so when you can take a pawn for free and cause threats and win another pawn after it's almost certainly the best move liek 99 percent of the time. Only if you weaken or hang something, or there is another move that wins more material that is the only time it wont be the best move. No idea why you discounted it.
    AND FINALLY just trade the queen it's a check and his king has to take. Get your bishop out castle and attack his king in the open. The fact your king can't be touched and his is wide out in the open is winning probably even against a computer with so few pieces. Again you play so passively it's an issue.

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  2 місяці тому

      I don't think you understand the point of the series tbh mate

    • @PAPPADASH
      @PAPPADASH 2 місяці тому

      @@ChessCenturion I don't think you understand the Caro Kahn MATE...

    • @ChessCenturion
      @ChessCenturion  2 місяці тому

      😂

  • @punmije
    @punmije 3 місяці тому

    Kramink is right tho :D