A good practical sailor guide to the latest boats. The Catalina looked like the only one where the designers thought about maintenance and not just entertaining at the dock.
I am a yacht captain out in California. I have numerous clients who usually live out of state. I take care of their vessels. Ironically, I have all the vessels you talked about. Only a few years older. First of all, the Beneteau Oceanis 38.1 is a no-go. The Jeanneau 379 is a bit better. The Dufour is very squeaky. They all sail decently. In a blow, they are not stiff. The Catalina is much better. Since I sail them, I get the luxury of knowing their characteristics. In lighter air, they all do better than the Catalina. But anything over 15k, the Catalina is more comfortable of a ride.
I talked to a captain in the Caribbean who had done some deliveries on the Jeanneau and said the amount of water pouring down the sloped side-deck to the rear from waves was a real problem. He hated the boat for blue water sailing.
What continues to impress me about the Catalina’s is that they are sturdy, honest-built sailboats. When you directly compare the size and quality of the winches, the robustness of the standing rigging, number of stays and their thickness, the spars, solid lead keel, the larger hp diesel engine, and even interior finishes like the woodwork, lighting and plumbing fixtures, I feel that Catalina standards are a level above the other production boats. Also, the ergonomics of the interior cabin, the cockpit and the deck are very good and appreciated for live-aboard owners. And the Catalina sails very well. We have owned three Catalinas, the 320, 350 and have been living aboard the 445 for 3 years now, with several months in the Bahamas. Dollar for dollar, and pound for pound, the Catalina is a great boat for safe and comfortable coastal and regional sailing. It’s not the utmost explorer-grade boat to sail around the world and through the Arctic, but it is excellent for its design intent and intended market.
I sold my Catalina 309 in 2023, which I enjoyed for 8 years. If I had the money and was younger I would take without hesitation the new Catalina 42. It offers the nicest and the best design of those 4. Thanks for the review, very well done.
Awesome video! A boating channel finally got it right and the video walk-through matches the naration - when speaking about the galley, the video is on the galley; when speaking about the berth, the video is on the birth; etc. Well done!!
The 410 is lovely at anchor, with headroom everywhere and no climbing over each other at dinner. Upwind in waves the boat handles well, but water indeed constantly runs down the leeward side deck to the helm position, several inches deep. It feels as wet as dinghy racing.
This video is real revelation, Tim. Thanks a lot. I learned a lot more in 17 minutes than thumbing through all the yachting mags looking at advertisements and checking out brochures. Some of the Europeans (Beneteau in particular) seem to have lost their way, or at least appear to have been designed by people who’ve forgotten about some of the real practicalities of cruising. You only have to check out the anchor situation on all of these boats to realise that Catalina is the one that got it right. And imagine designing a 40(ish) footer where it’s easy to check out all the fluid levels. Who would have thought??? Finally, the interiors of all the boats make it pretty clear that only the Catalina is going to last for 20 years or more without some major refitting. I don't have any problem with modern interiors, but what I do know from European campervans is that the laminates just can't handle wear and tear.
I went to the Annapolis Sailboat Show last fall and saw the latest generation of plastic boats. Ugly designs with IKEA interiors. That Catalina does break the mold of modern design though. That interior is a great blend of traditional woodworking and styling with modern touches like all that engine access. Thumbs up for the Catalina!
Never been a fan of the B&R rig. Self tacking jib sounds good but honestly I prefer traditional tracks. As someone mentioned these boat interiors all look like IKEA. Personally give me that Catalina any day. Thanks for the great reviews Tim
Good honest opinion! What more could you ask for. The Catalina is the only one that’s close for me. I’m sure they’re all great for charter, day sailing, weekend cruises, and as you stated impressing the boss. I’d rather a used Caliber LRC, Little Harbor, Shannon or Contest of similar size any day! At least for what we’re looking for in a vessel. I would like our boat to be able to get us home safely. Whenever or wherever Murphy and his law show up. Thank you as always
One thing Benneteau, Dufour, and Jeanneau won't have to worry about, if they are still in business, is competing with their own boats on the used market. Doubtful many will still be intact in 20 years. 1/3-1/2 million seems a lot for a daysailor, and 40' seems big for a daysailor. At this size point the capabilities should be a bit more than near shore, lake and bay sailing. The galleys are fine for dockside cocktails, little else. Black handrails in the tropics? Great idea, too many people use handrails!
I have a friend who is an “old salt”, and when I mentioned to him that the Catalina was the nicest boat at the show, he gave me a really weird look. He basically said if Catalina is the nicest boat, then that doesn’t speak well for the current state of production boat building.
I agree. My husband and love Catalinas, but when we visited their booth at Annapolis we were not impressed with the build quality. The layout though was the best of all of the boats featured here.
Love the new channel Tim. Out of those 40 footer, the more traditional Catalina cabin is by far the winner for me. (I can’t stand the IKEA woodwork on the Jeaneau) Twin helms…? yes please!
Appreciate the critical comments, especially the flimsy floor of the Dufour. All the other 'mainstream' publications are just fluffery. I was told specifially and directly by a well known magazine exc editor they had to do an excellent review for a certain brand because they were the biggest advertiser. Break the mold and be plenty critical where its deserved. Catalina was by far the best of the bunch but that Jenn side deck had my eye, I hate crawling over coamings at my age.
I own a 2019 Catalina 425 (S/V Goody2Shoes). Love it! She carried me and my wife on a 1,900 mile blue water passage. She did not disappoint. The boat sails well, is comfortable and easy to handle. Meets all my expectations which is really saying something in that I was very close to buying an Outbound 46 when I made the decision to buy the 425. She's not an Outbound but she's great!
I like the electric engine, the factory wrap, and the interior of the Catalina. That easy maintenance layout sings to me. I like that there was a Captain available to answer your questions, that’s wonderful. How much was the Catalina? 🥶
I kind of liked the Jeanneau... until I saw the Catalina! What a well thought out , and easy to live with boat. Well done, Catalina! As for wrapping a boat, I can't help but being concerned with longevity in general, not to mention how it would hold up to the inevitable docking mishaps. I can imagine it looking pretty crappy after a couple of years.
Tim, external chain plates are the way to go. Catalina has kept some stowage on the interior hull walls that a plus. The main concern is that these newer designs are in fact designed for the the people that suffer from Thalassophobia. I am not saying one can not take these boats into white water oceans with 3 to 10 meter waves, especially at close intervals. I learn to sail on one of these boat hulls designed for racing. I can honestly tell anyone they slam extremely hard.These light displacement boats are not sea kindly at all like a heavy to moderately heavy displacement sea kindly hull. The roomy cockpits and interior comes at a sever loss of the ability to store spare parts, tools, extra sails, 3 to 6 months provisions, larger fuel and water storage tanks. All of these are extremely important to ocean voyaging sailors. They are not designed for long remote voyaging but rather to for island hopping and weekend or day sailing. Jim Rodgers
It’s funny to see all the new sailboats today with twin helms, massive beam, and giant cockpits for entertaining. Our boat has all of those things too… (Catalina 400). Gerry Douglas introduced the 400 in 1994 (30 years ago!). He was ahead of his time!
The Catalina was my hands down favorite. The others look like slip-queens that shouldn't be taken to sea. Not being able to wash the anchor chain is ridiculous ... who'd thought that would ever make it past the junior designer? Thanks for another good video!
Apologies for being a snob here. But crawling on these boats myself, I am floored at how little one gets for the money. The Benetau and Jeneau look as if built by Ikea. For half-million, I’d expect much more. I have a 2022 Hallberg-Rassy, and the build quality is drastically better, for just a bit more money and hassle on import. The Catalina, however, is a standout.
Another great video. Best of the bunch was the Catalina with all the easy access for maintenance. Love that all electric was available. Wish we could have seen one. Twin Helms look "cool" but really for most sailors they are just something else to go wrong, more to maintain.
We were at the show and It was definitely a multi-hull show. I (as one person mentioned) was shocked at the amount of windows built into the hulls. They will be great at the dock but can’t wait to see them in a few years when they start to leak. Wondering your thoughts…
I stopped the video at the Dufour's lack of anchor rode (chain) hatch. Our boat (2008 Bavaria 50) had an issue of the chain building up on the slope that was intended to deflect the incoming chain into the chain locker. This caused the chain to jump off the vertical windlass wheel and start running out. While hoisting the anchor we used to have the locker hatch open and with a broom stick handle kept pushing the build up down to prevent the "runaway". The boats had no anti-chaffing provision on the shrouds either for the jib sheets. The self tacking jib doesn't allow for a jib > 100% Another thing that boggles my mind is the motor controls (throttle/shifter) at knee height. Makes docking into tight berths a real cardio exercise of squatting down/standing up and also from a safety perspective the looking up/down while docking is an issue.
The last boat would be the only one of these we would have an intrest in. Still looking for that five year old 50 footer. To use as a third retirement home. Great Video.
I get the twin helm, but I wonder how many people consider the long term maintenance challenges associated with the steering system and rudders. As a single helm, monohull owner of a 24 year old vessel currently undergoing rudder bearing changes, I'm thankful there is only one!!
I agree. But then, having gone to a wider boat with two helms, If you took them away and gave me a single wheel in the middle, I would more sad than I will be when I have the extra maintenance issues with two wheels. I'm afraid it is just what comes with changing styles (widths) of boats. And having had an older C&C that would wipe out downwind with those skinny rear ends . . . Don't want to go back there either.
That Catalina 425 is REALLY Nice to work on. I had one come in that was struck by lightning, so we had to replace literally everything on the boat, and it was one of the easiest I have ever worked on. The large aft compartment that you can "climb in" and work on the rudder or other items, is a slight overstatement, but you CAN climb into it. It just isn't very comfortable to do. Also note that access is from outside the boat, so you certainly wouldn't want to do it in any kind of a following sea or rough water, because you'll flood the boat.
The Catalina was the best looking of this bunch, but I still like boats with a single helm wheel, I do not need 2. The older Catalina-Morgans are still what I judge all other boats against
I am a firm believer in an adjustable back stay and an ability to sail down win at 150 plus TWA with boom well out. Also back stay can help control rig movement in long offshore downwind crossings. No back stay is a deal breaker...
Catalina has been making great boats like this for many years, going back to the 400. I absolutely hate the Ikea look below in the first three. I haven’t looked at the specifications data on them but would be willing to bet the Catalina is heavier than the other three also.
I have a boat without backstay. Never been an issue. When running down wind, rarely is it exactly on my stern so running slightly off isn't a problem. When want to be closer to directly on back I drop my main and run my headsail or spinnaker only. As for the boats featured the only one I would consider is the Catalina. The others are not designed for owner operator/cruiser. One of my favorite layouts ever is Catalina 400. You get twin helm and center lined aft cabin.
Specifically on the Jeanneau. The sloeped side decks are relatively old news now. I have sailed 2 models with them, including some reasonably spicy offshore swells and in a couple meters of confused seas rounding a few islands. I didn't find any issue, and frankly, in warm weather I found the occasional wash of water over my feet while helming outboard very refreshing. Cold weather would be a different issue. I have also had the rail in the water and the water flowed down the side decks and out the starn, no issues at all. No broaching experience with them. I think you nailed the ease of moving forward. It is so easy, especially when you have guests or inexperienced sailors on board and need to check the anchor or other things forward. Its super fast. I do not really appreciate the under bowsprit anchor roller. Its sometimes very difficult to deal with mooring ball lines that want to catch on the anchor and I personally prefer a dual role to give options. The other issue is trying to pass the 2nd line though the mooring ball in a strong wind with the boat offset (due to only having one line on) and needing to get the 2nd line around the anchor...
I sailed on a Jeaneau 410 for a couple seasons. Nice performing hull. Easy neutral helm. Tight and dry cabin. But the walk around deck…sure, it does make it easy to move from the cockpit to the side deck. It also makes a nice pit from which to operate the winch. What I didn’t like was losing a nice wide place to sit outboard to the side of the helm. It also had only a notional seat abaft the helm, just enough for one butt cheek. If I were considering a Jeanneau 410, I’d instead go for the Beneteau 40.1. Same hull but better helm space since it lacks the walk around feature.
Never thought of wrapping a boat, but seems interesting in one example. Arksen has amazing aluminum yatchs (85), but paint the aluminum, somehow, feels me wrong. Wrapping that shell, at the other side, seems fine. Extra-protection and easy to change. Interesting idea.
Happy owner of that Catalina’s little sister, a 355. Well thought out boat with beautiful woodwork and innovative filter and engine access to minimize boat yoga. Gerry Douglas did a great job with the 5 series boats. Really like having a legitimate traveler and shrouds that aren’t swept back as well.
Call me crazy, but but miss my tiller. Better feel sailing and out of the cockpit when you are not sailing it's a much better use of space. Twin helm is just more stuff that breaks and needs to be maintained simple is always. more reliable
It's a pity the Sirius 40DS wasn't there (only on the west coast/Seattle right now for shows). This German boat completely blows away anything else in glass (or it's class!). Alternatively, look at Alubat or Allures in aluminium. I had a C36 but I wouldn't have taken her much through the Caribbean - even outside, just the Bahamas maybe. You can see the Catalina is directly of that lineage. The old Clearwater/Largo manufacturers are very nearly finished. Glad to see that my friend Ed Massey is still around.
Catalina has a lot of positives for maintenance and longetivity, but makes big performance sacrifices. A 6-ish foot fin keel and slab reefing would be a good start towards attracting people who want a sailboat, not just an intracoastal cruiser.
Great reviews Tim. I own the Catalina 425 and can attest to the performance and quality. What sold me was the walk through I got from Gerry the designer/chief engineer in 2018. The mechanical tunnel makes maintenance easy and almost comfortable! Another feature you may have seen is the notch into the combing where the intuitive access forward is located. This way you don’t step over a wide backrest into the cockpit, and by the way, the deck and cockpit seat are the same level there! The small annoyance is the dark streaks on the hull from deck water runoff to openings in the toe rail. If only the water ran off to a skupper aft like they did in the 545. Keep up the great work!
Brian, I was really impressed the whole engine room, the side area to the filters, the oil check on the bottom, the chain locker, and even the stern is well protected. One question how does she sail?
@@valerieb.4912we moved from the 320 to the 425 and found her easy to single hand and possessing the same polite mannerisms in a gust. We went with the fin keel so she draws just shy of 7 feet but can point easily to 30 degrees with her inboard shrouds. We fly the self tacker in the early and late season here in New England (tacking=turn the wheel!), and a 155 for the summer doldrums. With the in mast furling, and furling lines led aft for the code-0, we never need to leave the cockpit unless you want to enjoy the sun-bed on the foredeck. Her polars get you over 8.5 knots and she will do all of it with a light displacement of just over 18,000 lbs. when the wind does not cooperate, our Yanmar 4JH57 gets us around 7 knots at 1200 (1gph). If you can find a 425 or any of the other 5 series boats, you should jump aboard for a test sail. They have similar hull design ratios.
Hi Brian, Thank you responding and all the information. The only issue I have is the 7 ft keel. I am trying to keep it 5-6 ft. This is one of the reason I like Bristols because of the Center Board. And yes I am looking at solo sailing majority of the time.
The old Dufour 35 didn't have backstays, it was a pain. The fuller on the Dufour is a speed furler, great bits of kit and the anchor looker has been made that way so the chain doesn't bunch up etc. The difference between Catalina and the other boats is she is made with the owners in mind the other three boats are made mostly with the charter market.
Another great episode. I did a double with the "50,000 buying spree". Most other vids I watch, I don't comment...except yours always seem outstanding. Thanks Tim, Marty
Thanks for the tour. I must say I much prefer the older looks to the sailboat interiors. I like to keep things simple. Not a fan of the dual helms but i'm a solo traveler so I cannot relate. The one upgrade that I do really like is the electric engine. I'm definitely on board with that upgrade. I like the easy access for the maintenance on the catalina. And how they buried the lines under the deck, seems cleand protective. 😊
Thanks for the great video, Tim. I've owned a 2010 Beneteau Oceanis 40 for 6 years and I compare the newer designs to my current boat, obviously. In general, I don't care for the latest trends: huge acrylic windows in the hull, almost no railing across the stern (with tiny helm seats), twin rudders (not good for reverse), fold down transom (no good for Hydrovane). I do love the twin helm with the sugar scoop walk-thru transom. It will be interesting to see what they will be producing five years from now.
We went to the Miami boat show the first day on Wednesday. I was surprised limited number of sailboats. We went to go to the Harken booth as I am changing the main car on my C&C 99 to make it easier when racing and when my wife and I are going out for a day or evening sail and it is only two of us. I think the Catalina is setup the best for my taste. And a better price point. I do like the hard chimes on the two French boats. Maybe cause I am older and like more older stiles. Your review was right on 100% Thank you for sharing. and good luck at Practical Sailor. Safe Sailing
Wrap is cool. An easy fix of a docking boo boo. Serious off shore seas are not what these boats are about. A boarding stern wave will go right into the cabin. Excellent presentation ! I tend to skim Practical Sailor because it is too wordy. Your presentation is less wordy with all the info ! In a UA-cam world where people must make money by how long the vid is, you hit the right pace. I don't have to speed up the playback speed. I like the Catalina wood. Some may call the others Clorox bottles. None have teak trim or hand rails on deck. Too bad
Very good to get your take on these boats (around 40). I think the walk around on the Sun Odyssey is the most interesting aspect of those showed. Agree that it may be a risk on rough weather and if you are sailing with "water on the deck" it may become a real drag. Would love to test that part. And pls keep on going to shows and we can enjoy more of these videos.
I wish Yanmar would either cut some inspection ports into their covers over the belts/pullies or, better yet replace the opaque cover with a clear perspex cover. This would facilitate both pre-trip inspections and trouble shooting engine problems.
A great video. A couple of things. Given the choice between the Cal-Sag and Chicago river, the Cal Sag is easier but has lots of barge traffic. The Chicago river is worth the extra time as it cuts through the heart of the city -you can even overnight at one of the marinas. before entering the river. You will have to get them to raise the bridges -that alone might make it worth while, so you can go through downtown without demasting it just takes timing and planning. The Cal-Sag you'll have to demast. Last thing it's Pa-Do-Ka
Great clip as always! I agree with many, as a pratical hands on sailor the Catalina takes it home. I got to admit I may be bit biased as I owned a Catalina and very happy with it. 😊
My favourite was the Catalina. What I’m curious about are the lack of mainsail travellers on these boats. They all seem to have triangular style mainsheets. I’d love to know more about these “new to me” systems. Perhaps in a future edition.
At 76 I appreciate the sloping side decks. I think about them every time I step over the back rest into the cockpit of my daughter’s Catalina 350. I don’t appreciate wraps. You’re going to be replacing that wrap every 5 or less years. Gel coat will last a heck of a lot longer. Looks pretty though.
I've worked on more than a few Catalinas and am impressed with the thought going into having to service equipment. Of the four I see three dock queens and one actual sailor's boat. I've never owned a Catalina, but would pick this model vs the others hands down. I didn't see any hand holds once you've cleared the companionway when entering the cavernous cabin. Is the boat supposed to stay flat when going to windward, or on a beam reach in heavy airs? Oh, wait a minute, my mistake, they're dock queens. Nothing over 10 knots! Nicely done Tim. I'd like to see comparisons in the 30 ft range, boats that may be affordable!
Saw a few at the Annapolis show and thought oh, IKEA is making boats. I think it's cute you are worried about the galley at sea for a boat that is maybe a coastal cruiser. I can't imagine crossing an ocean in any of them or being in any kind of rough weather. I'm a pass on the lot.
I saw the Catalinas at the Annapolis Sailboat Show this past fall (2023). They were very nice, and not as expensive as an IP, Tartan, or a Garcia. I'm not sure how I feel about the wrap. I think I need more information. I'd like to see how it looks after a couple of summers. I hope you'll be able to review the Sirius Yachts at some point. I'm fascinated with them. They are my current favorite boat.
Walked through a ton of boats at Annapolis last fall and was mostly disappointed. Like the earlier commenter said, who are these built for? I’ve heard people say boat builders are primarily targeting the chartering fleets, which would explain the liveability/partyability emphasis. For a while, the goal of having a nice “apartment” inside has ruined the boat’s lines, high freeboard, slab-sided, flat sheer line… now, is the goal of having giant party-capable cockpits even intruding on sailability? (no backstay, hence limited mainsail range)
Try right reverse maneuvering or aborting a bow first docking with a twin rudder boat with no bow thruster…the slightest current or crosswind change (gust) and it looks like a 15 year old parallel parking…it can be done but the charter companies almost always have you dock at the fuel pump and a local hops on board to take the helm-it just saves the damage and frustration 😇
Saw the same Beneteau and Jeanneau at Annapolis boat show, missed the Catalina & DuFour. I have to respectfully disagree with most of other commenters; the Jeanneau is gorgeous in person, and the sloped side decks are genius. It’s clearly a boat for entertaining, so there are compromises. Wish I had seen the Catalina - the access features look amazing. Which would I buy, if I had the money? None of these, I’d take the 40 ft. Hallberg-Rassy that made it to Annapolis. Drop dead gorgeous, and “only” $700k…. 😳😂
Thank you for these videos. Thank you for mentioning the prices of these yachts! I may renew my PS subscription if you keep this up!!! You asked for thoughts: The Beneteau is a dock-condo that can sail. I have captained MANY boats with self-tacking jibs, and have yet to see one without a Hoyt Boom that actually points well. That galley is a disaster waiting to happen. The Jenneau should have the furling line run along the lifeline on one side or the other. I don't care for the deck that seems as if it will funnel any water that comes over the side into the cockpit. You are going to have wet feet in rough seas for sure. The galley is better, but not great. Does this have a saildrive? The Dufor - again with the shitty self-tacking jib. No anchor locker?!? This is meant to be a dock-condo too. I like the external chainplates though. Three heads means three times the headaches. Volvo and Saildrive is a double whammy. To me, the Catalina seems to be the pick of this litter. Again, the self-tacking jib is a waste, but Catalina has put Genoa tracks on the deck, so you can still rig a traditional sheeting system. I'm not crazy about the inboard chainplates which are a known to leak on almost all Catalina yachts. The interior is much more to my liking than the other three. For context: I am an ASA sailing instructor, a charter captain, and I own my own boat. My boat is a 1986 O'day 35, and I wouldn't trade it for any of these... well, maybe the Catalina.
Love the Catalina with the proper anchor locker and the lead keel, Tim. Can you speak about cast iron ballast/keel in Beneteaus? Oxidizing cast iron turns me off. Can you tell me why I am wrong? Thank you!
I'm just starting to look to buy my first boat and I'm deadset on the 38-43 foot range because Ill likely be solo sailing around the world and these new boats show me that though some of the interior design ideas can be innovative, the build quality is not sufficient or hardy enough for real sailing and longevity when compared to some of the older (maintained) designs. Seems getting a second hand boat can not only be cheaper but more practical as well these days. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.
The Catalina just wins for ease of maintenance and design. Plus the floor compared to one of the other boats, nothing is done badly on the Catalina, you won’t get as nice of an interior as a Beneteau however you will get a much better designed ocean going boat. the Catalina win hands-down. The engine access just sells me all day long. I’m not that mechanically inclined. However, you do need to be able to do some routine maintenance.
Clearly the Catalina is the better boat if you actually want to leave the dock. I’ve owned both Catalinas and a Benetau and the Catalina was the only one of the four that I would consider.
That Catalina was what every other manufacturer is failing to do. ❤
A good practical sailor guide to the latest boats. The Catalina looked like the only one where the designers thought about maintenance and not just entertaining at the dock.
I am a yacht captain out in California. I have numerous clients who usually live out of state. I take care of their vessels. Ironically, I have all the vessels you talked about. Only a few years older. First of all, the Beneteau Oceanis 38.1 is a no-go. The Jeanneau 379 is a bit better. The Dufour is very squeaky. They all sail decently. In a blow, they are not stiff. The Catalina is much better. Since I sail them, I get the luxury of knowing their characteristics. In lighter air, they all do better than the Catalina. But anything over 15k, the Catalina is more comfortable of a ride.
I talked to a captain in the Caribbean who had done some deliveries on the Jeanneau and said the amount of water pouring down the sloped side-deck to the rear from waves was a real problem. He hated the boat for blue water sailing.
David, I too looked at that as a Crystal Meth Designer.
What continues to impress me about the Catalina’s is that they are sturdy, honest-built sailboats. When you directly compare the size and quality of the winches, the robustness of the standing rigging, number of stays and their thickness, the spars, solid lead keel, the larger hp diesel engine, and even interior finishes like the woodwork, lighting and plumbing fixtures, I feel that Catalina standards are a level above the other production boats. Also, the ergonomics of the interior cabin, the cockpit and the deck are very good and appreciated for live-aboard owners. And the Catalina sails very well. We have owned three Catalinas, the 320, 350 and have been living aboard the 445 for 3 years now, with several months in the Bahamas. Dollar for dollar, and pound for pound, the Catalina is a great boat for safe and comfortable coastal and regional sailing. It’s not the utmost explorer-grade boat to sail around the world and through the Arctic, but it is excellent for its design intent and intended market.
I sold my Catalina 309 in 2023, which I enjoyed for 8 years. If I had the money and was younger I would take without hesitation the new Catalina 42. It offers the nicest and the best design of those 4. Thanks for the review, very well done.
Awesome video! A boating channel finally got it right and the video walk-through matches the naration - when speaking about the galley, the video is on the galley; when speaking about the berth, the video is on the birth; etc. Well done!!
The 410 is lovely at anchor, with headroom everywhere and no climbing over each other at dinner. Upwind in waves the boat handles well, but water indeed constantly runs down the leeward side deck to the helm position, several inches deep. It feels as wet as dinghy racing.
Obviously not intended for deep ocean sailing, they look like harbour yachts for parties too me. That Catalina though 👌🏻
Within 10km of the marina most of the time too I reckon. =)
I like that catalina, well thought out layout for someone who actually sails.
This video is real revelation, Tim. Thanks a lot. I learned a lot more in 17 minutes than thumbing through all the yachting mags looking at advertisements and checking out brochures. Some of the Europeans (Beneteau in particular) seem to have lost their way, or at least appear to have been designed by people who’ve forgotten about some of the real practicalities of cruising. You only have to check out the anchor situation on all of these boats to realise that Catalina is the one that got it right. And imagine designing a 40(ish) footer where it’s easy to check out all the fluid levels. Who would have thought??? Finally, the interiors of all the boats make it pretty clear that only the Catalina is going to last for 20 years or more without some major refitting. I don't have any problem with modern interiors, but what I do know from European campervans is that the laminates just can't handle wear and tear.
I went to the Annapolis Sailboat Show last fall and saw the latest generation of plastic boats. Ugly designs with IKEA interiors. That Catalina does break the mold of modern design though. That interior is a great blend of traditional woodworking and styling with modern touches like all that engine access. Thumbs up for the Catalina!
Never been a fan of the B&R rig. Self tacking jib sounds good but honestly I prefer traditional tracks. As someone mentioned these boat interiors all look like IKEA. Personally give me that Catalina any day. Thanks for the great reviews Tim
Good honest opinion! What more could you ask for. The Catalina is the only one that’s close for me. I’m sure they’re all great for charter, day sailing, weekend cruises, and as you stated impressing the boss. I’d rather a used Caliber LRC, Little Harbor, Shannon or Contest of similar size any day! At least for what we’re looking for in a vessel. I would like our boat to be able to get us home safely. Whenever or wherever Murphy and his law show up. Thank you as always
I like the easy access to the engine and other maintenance
One thing Benneteau, Dufour, and Jeanneau won't have to worry about, if they are still in business, is competing with their own boats on the used market. Doubtful many will still be intact in 20 years.
1/3-1/2 million seems a lot for a daysailor, and 40' seems big for a daysailor. At this size point the capabilities should be a bit more than near shore, lake and bay sailing. The galleys are fine for dockside cocktails, little else. Black handrails in the tropics? Great idea, too many people use handrails!
American boatbuilders!! Let’s go! Great to see Catalina setting the high bar.
I have a friend who is an “old salt”, and when I mentioned to him that the Catalina was the nicest boat at the show, he gave me a really weird look. He basically said if Catalina is the nicest boat, then that doesn’t speak well for the current state of production boat building.
I agree. My husband and love Catalinas, but when we visited their booth at Annapolis we were not impressed with the build quality. The layout though was the best of all of the boats featured here.
Great living in these spacious yachts while spending months on end island hopping the carribean Islands
Love the new channel Tim.
Out of those 40 footer, the more traditional Catalina cabin is by far the winner for me. (I can’t stand the IKEA woodwork on the Jeaneau)
Twin helms…? yes please!
Appreciate the critical comments, especially the flimsy floor of the Dufour. All the other 'mainstream' publications are just fluffery. I was told specifially and directly by a well known magazine exc editor they had to do an excellent review for a certain brand because they were the biggest advertiser. Break the mold and be plenty critical where its deserved.
Catalina was by far the best of the bunch but that Jenn side deck had my eye, I hate crawling over coamings at my age.
I own a 2019 Catalina 425 (S/V Goody2Shoes). Love it! She carried me and my wife on a 1,900 mile blue water passage. She did not disappoint. The boat sails well, is comfortable and easy to handle. Meets all my expectations which is really saying something in that I was very close to buying an Outbound 46 when I made the decision to buy the 425. She's not an Outbound but she's great!
I like the electric engine, the factory wrap, and the interior of the Catalina. That easy maintenance layout sings to me. I like that there was a Captain available to answer your questions, that’s wonderful. How much was the Catalina? 🥶
Looks like its pretty tough to find a Blue Water boat these days
I kind of liked the Jeanneau... until I saw the Catalina! What a well thought out , and easy to live with boat. Well done, Catalina!
As for wrapping a boat, I can't help but being concerned with longevity in general, not to mention how it would hold up to the inevitable docking mishaps. I can imagine it looking pretty crappy after a couple of years.
Tim, external chain plates are the way to go. Catalina has kept some stowage on the interior hull walls that a plus. The main concern is that these newer designs are in fact designed for the the people that suffer from Thalassophobia. I am not saying one can not take these boats into white water oceans with 3 to 10 meter waves, especially at close intervals. I learn to sail on one of these boat hulls designed for racing. I can honestly tell anyone they slam extremely hard.These light displacement boats are not sea kindly at all like a heavy to moderately heavy displacement sea kindly hull. The roomy cockpits and interior comes at a sever loss of the ability to store spare parts, tools, extra sails, 3 to 6 months provisions, larger fuel and water storage tanks. All of these are extremely important to ocean voyaging sailors. They are not designed for long remote voyaging but rather to for island hopping and weekend or day sailing. Jim Rodgers
It’s funny to see all the new sailboats today with twin helms, massive beam, and giant cockpits for entertaining. Our boat has all of those things too… (Catalina 400). Gerry Douglas introduced the 400 in 1994 (30 years ago!). He was ahead of his time!
The Catalina was my hands down favorite. The others look like slip-queens that shouldn't be taken to sea. Not being able to wash the anchor chain is ridiculous ... who'd thought that would ever make it past the junior designer? Thanks for another good video!
Catalina by far the most thought out and nicest below. It's the only boat that doesn't look like an Ikea boat.
Apologies for being a snob here. But crawling on these boats myself, I am floored at how little one gets for the money. The Benetau and Jeneau look as if built by Ikea. For half-million, I’d expect much more. I have a 2022 Hallberg-Rassy, and the build quality is drastically better, for just a bit more money and hassle on import. The Catalina, however, is a standout.
Another great video. Best of the bunch was the Catalina with all the easy access for maintenance. Love that all electric was available. Wish we could have seen one. Twin Helms look "cool" but really for most sailors they are just something else to go wrong, more to maintain.
Glad you were able to talk to Ed Massey, the Captain is an expert on Catalina. I am compilating buying the Catalina 425,
We were at the show and It was definitely a multi-hull show. I (as one person mentioned) was shocked at the amount of windows built into the hulls. They will be great at the dock but can’t wait to see them in a few years when they start to leak. Wondering your thoughts…
I stopped the video at the Dufour's lack of anchor rode (chain) hatch. Our boat (2008 Bavaria 50) had an issue of the chain building up on the slope that was intended to deflect the incoming chain into the chain locker. This caused the chain to jump off the vertical windlass wheel and start running out. While hoisting the anchor we used to have the locker hatch open and with a broom stick handle kept pushing the build up down to prevent the "runaway".
The boats had no anti-chaffing provision on the shrouds either for the jib sheets. The self tacking jib doesn't allow for a jib > 100%
Another thing that boggles my mind is the motor controls (throttle/shifter) at knee height. Makes docking into tight berths a real cardio exercise of squatting down/standing up and also from a safety perspective the looking up/down while docking is an issue.
The last boat would be the only one of these we would have an intrest in. Still looking for that five year old 50 footer. To use as a third retirement home. Great Video.
I get the twin helm, but I wonder how many people consider the long term maintenance challenges associated with the steering system and rudders. As a single helm, monohull owner of a 24 year old vessel currently undergoing rudder bearing changes, I'm thankful there is only one!!
I agree. But then, having gone to a wider boat with two helms, If you took them away and gave me a single wheel in the middle, I would more sad than I will be when I have the extra maintenance issues with two wheels. I'm afraid it is just what comes with changing styles (widths) of boats. And having had an older C&C that would wipe out downwind with those skinny rear ends . . . Don't want to go back there either.
To clarify, the Catalina has twin helm wheels, but they both control the single rudder. The boat has just one rudder.
That Catalina 425 is REALLY Nice to work on. I had one come in that was struck by lightning, so we had to replace literally everything on the boat, and it was one of the easiest I have ever worked on.
The large aft compartment that you can "climb in" and work on the rudder or other items, is a slight overstatement, but you CAN climb into it. It just isn't very comfortable to do. Also note that access is from outside the boat, so you certainly wouldn't want to do it in any kind of a following sea or rough water, because you'll flood the boat.
The Catalina was the best looking of this bunch, but I still like boats with a single helm wheel, I do not need 2. The older Catalina-Morgans are still what I judge all other boats against
I was at the Miami boat show hands down the Catalinas were the best boats IMO.
The Catalina looks like the way to go! Thank You for sharing!
I am a firm believer in an adjustable back stay and an ability to sail down win at 150 plus TWA with boom well out. Also back stay can help control rig movement in long offshore downwind crossings. No back stay is a deal breaker...
Catalina has been making great boats like this for many years, going back to the 400. I absolutely hate the Ikea look below in the first three. I haven’t looked at the specifications data on them but would be willing to bet the Catalina is heavier than the other three also.
I have a boat without backstay. Never been an issue. When running down wind, rarely is it exactly on my stern so running slightly off isn't a problem. When want to be closer to directly on back I drop my main and run my headsail or spinnaker only. As for the boats featured the only one I would consider is the Catalina. The others are not designed for owner operator/cruiser. One of my favorite layouts ever is Catalina 400. You get twin helm and center lined aft cabin.
That Catalina had the nicest interior...
Specifically on the Jeanneau. The sloeped side decks are relatively old news now. I have sailed 2 models with them, including some reasonably spicy offshore swells and in a couple meters of confused seas rounding a few islands. I didn't find any issue, and frankly, in warm weather I found the occasional wash of water over my feet while helming outboard very refreshing. Cold weather would be a different issue. I have also had the rail in the water and the water flowed down the side decks and out the starn, no issues at all. No broaching experience with them. I think you nailed the ease of moving forward. It is so easy, especially when you have guests or inexperienced sailors on board and need to check the anchor or other things forward. Its super fast. I do not really appreciate the under bowsprit anchor roller. Its sometimes very difficult to deal with mooring ball lines that want to catch on the anchor and I personally prefer a dual role to give options. The other issue is trying to pass the 2nd line though the mooring ball in a strong wind with the boat offset (due to only having one line on) and needing to get the 2nd line around the anchor...
I sailed on a Jeaneau 410 for a couple seasons. Nice performing hull. Easy neutral helm. Tight and dry cabin. But the walk around deck…sure, it does make it easy to move from the cockpit to the side deck. It also makes a nice pit from which to operate the winch. What I didn’t like was losing a nice wide place to sit outboard to the side of the helm. It also had only a notional seat abaft the helm, just enough for one butt cheek. If I were considering a Jeanneau 410, I’d instead go for the Beneteau 40.1. Same hull but better helm space since it lacks the walk around feature.
Never thought of wrapping a boat, but seems interesting in one example.
Arksen has amazing aluminum yatchs (85), but paint the aluminum, somehow, feels me wrong.
Wrapping that shell, at the other side, seems fine. Extra-protection and easy to change.
Interesting idea.
Happy owner of that Catalina’s little sister, a 355. Well thought out boat with beautiful woodwork and innovative filter and engine access to minimize boat yoga. Gerry Douglas did a great job with the 5 series boats. Really like having a legitimate traveler and shrouds that aren’t swept back as well.
hey Tim that Catalina is certainly stunning
Call me crazy, but but miss my tiller. Better feel sailing and out of the cockpit when you are not sailing it's a much better use of space. Twin helm is just more stuff that breaks and needs to be maintained simple is always. more reliable
I love the idea of wrapping a boat. Really can personalize it.
I'd like the idea of wrapping the boat, but if there's a scratch and then stormy seas, I bet it would end up ragged
It's a pity the Sirius 40DS wasn't there (only on the west coast/Seattle right now for shows). This German boat completely blows away anything else in glass (or it's class!). Alternatively, look at Alubat or Allures in aluminium. I had a C36 but I wouldn't have taken her much through the Caribbean - even outside, just the Bahamas maybe. You can see the Catalina is directly of that lineage. The old Clearwater/Largo manufacturers are very nearly finished. Glad to see that my friend Ed Massey is still around.
OMG that Catalina is awesome. I own a Dufour Classic 36 which is nice to live on but man, I want a Catalina.
Catalina has a lot of positives for maintenance and longetivity, but makes big performance sacrifices. A 6-ish foot fin keel and slab reefing would be a good start towards attracting people who want a sailboat, not just an intracoastal cruiser.
Great reviews Tim. I own the Catalina 425 and can attest to the performance and quality. What sold me was the walk through I got from Gerry the designer/chief engineer in 2018. The mechanical tunnel makes maintenance easy and almost comfortable! Another feature you may have seen is the notch into the combing where the intuitive access forward is located. This way you don’t step over a wide backrest into the cockpit, and by the way, the deck and cockpit seat are the same level there! The small annoyance is the dark streaks on the hull from deck water runoff to openings in the toe rail. If only the water ran off to a skupper aft like they did in the 545. Keep up the great work!
Brian, I was really impressed the whole engine room, the side area to the filters, the oil check on the bottom, the chain locker, and even the stern is well protected. One question how does she sail?
@@valerieb.4912we moved from the 320 to the 425 and found her easy to single hand and possessing the same polite mannerisms in a gust. We went with the fin keel so she draws just shy of 7 feet but can point easily to 30 degrees with her inboard shrouds. We fly the self tacker in the early and late season here in New England (tacking=turn the wheel!), and a 155 for the summer doldrums. With the in mast furling, and furling lines led aft for the code-0, we never need to leave the cockpit unless you want to enjoy the sun-bed on the foredeck. Her polars get you over 8.5 knots and she will do all of it with a light displacement of just over 18,000 lbs. when the wind does not cooperate, our Yanmar 4JH57 gets us around 7 knots at 1200 (1gph). If you can find a 425 or any of the other 5 series boats, you should jump aboard for a test sail. They have similar hull design ratios.
Hi Brian, Thank you responding and all the information. The only issue I have is the 7 ft keel. I am trying to keep it 5-6 ft. This is one of the reason I like Bristols because of the Center Board. And yes I am looking at solo sailing majority of the time.
I would love to see you talking about
Sirius DS and Contessa 32
The old Dufour 35 didn't have backstays, it was a pain. The fuller on the Dufour is a speed furler, great bits of kit and the anchor looker has been made that way so the chain doesn't bunch up etc.
The difference between Catalina and the other boats is she is made with the owners in mind the other three boats are made mostly with the charter market.
Another great episode. I did a double with the "50,000 buying spree". Most other vids I watch, I don't comment...except yours always seem outstanding. Thanks Tim, Marty
Liked the sloping side deck. Catalina was great with access. My favorite is still the Garcia 45. So many good things with that boat.
Not a fan of the 'no backstay' decision. In addition to sailhandling issues, a backstay is a great place to grab in unsteady seas.
Practila sailor = Mt. Vcatalina, Catalina sponsorship showing ;)
Thanks for the tour. I must say I much prefer the older looks to the sailboat interiors. I like to keep things simple. Not a fan of the dual helms but i'm a solo traveler so I cannot relate. The one upgrade that I do really like is the electric engine. I'm definitely on board with that upgrade. I like
the easy access for the maintenance on the catalina. And how they buried the lines under the deck, seems cleand protective. 😊
Thanks for the great video, Tim. I've owned a 2010 Beneteau Oceanis 40 for 6 years and I compare the newer designs to my current boat, obviously. In general, I don't care for the latest trends: huge acrylic windows in the hull, almost no railing across the stern (with tiny helm seats), twin rudders (not good for reverse), fold down transom (no good for Hydrovane). I do love the twin helm with the sugar scoop walk-thru transom. It will be interesting to see what they will be producing five years from now.
Love the twin helm and electric motor option with a well thought out and engineered solar plan would be ideal.
We went to the Miami boat show the first day on Wednesday. I was surprised limited number of sailboats. We went to go to the Harken booth as I am changing the main car on my C&C 99 to make it easier when racing and when my wife and I are going out for a day or evening sail and it is only two of us. I think the Catalina is setup the best for my taste. And a better price point. I do like the hard chimes on the two French boats. Maybe cause I am older and like more older stiles. Your review was right on 100% Thank you for sharing. and good luck at Practical Sailor. Safe Sailing
Wrap is cool. An easy fix of a docking boo boo.
Serious off shore seas are not what these boats are about. A boarding stern wave will go right into the cabin.
Excellent presentation ! I tend to skim Practical Sailor because it is too wordy. Your presentation is less wordy with all the info ! In a UA-cam world where people must make money by how long the vid is, you hit the right pace. I don't have to speed up the playback speed.
I like the Catalina wood. Some may call the others Clorox bottles. None have teak trim or hand rails on deck. Too bad
Very good to get your take on these boats (around 40). I think the walk around on the Sun Odyssey is the most interesting aspect of those showed. Agree that it may be a risk on rough weather and if you are sailing with "water on the deck" it may become a real drag. Would love to test that part. And pls keep on going to shows and we can enjoy more of these videos.
Also why no solar instead of a generator?
I wish Yanmar would either cut some inspection ports into their covers over the belts/pullies or, better yet replace the opaque cover with a clear perspex cover. This would facilitate both pre-trip inspections and trouble shooting engine problems.
Great stuff Tim.. editing voice over, details everywhere TIGHT..!
Probably watch this again & again 😊😊
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Catalina ❤
Still satisfied with my jeanneau 39 performance 2009. And when hearing the prices I hope to sail it for still a long time
love the new gig! Technically, put some acoustic tiles in the room to ditch the echo chamber, coffee can sound.
Like those features on the Catalina.
A great video. A couple of things. Given the choice between the Cal-Sag and Chicago river, the Cal Sag is easier but has lots of barge traffic. The Chicago river is worth the extra time as it cuts through the heart of the city -you can even overnight at one of the marinas. before entering the river. You will have to get them to raise the bridges -that alone might make it worth while, so you can go through downtown without demasting it just takes timing and planning. The Cal-Sag you'll have to demast. Last thing it's Pa-Do-Ka
Great clip as always!
I agree with many, as a pratical hands on sailor the Catalina takes it home. I got to admit I may be bit biased as I owned a Catalina and very happy with it. 😊
My favourite was the Catalina. What I’m curious about are the lack of mainsail travellers on these boats. They all seem to have triangular style mainsheets. I’d love to know more about these “new to me” systems. Perhaps in a future edition.
I love the wrap idea... why not?
This video just made my Monday morning that much better. Thanks.
Pretty boats....very livable at the dock on on the hook. Can't get over all the hull windows...are they 1" thick? Glassed into the hull?
Doing a wrap sounds like a good idea. Just wonder how well it would hold up in salt water?
LOVE the electric option, very cool. Really, no Seaward, Tartan or IP ?
Pearson 35, Valkyrie III
At 76 I appreciate the sloping side decks. I think about them every time I step over the back rest into the cockpit of my daughter’s Catalina 350. I don’t appreciate wraps. You’re going to be replacing that wrap every 5 or less years. Gel coat will last a heck of a lot longer. Looks pretty though.
I've worked on more than a few Catalinas and am impressed with the thought going into having to service equipment. Of the four I see three dock queens and one actual sailor's boat. I've never owned a Catalina, but would pick this model vs the others hands down. I didn't see any hand holds once you've cleared the companionway when entering the cavernous cabin. Is the boat supposed to stay flat when going to windward, or on a beam reach in heavy airs? Oh, wait a minute, my mistake, they're dock queens. Nothing over 10 knots! Nicely done Tim. I'd like to see comparisons in the 30 ft range, boats that may be affordable!
Saw a few at the Annapolis show and thought oh, IKEA is making boats. I think it's cute you are worried about the galley at sea for a boat that is maybe a coastal cruiser. I can't imagine crossing an ocean in any of them or being in any kind of rough weather. I'm a pass on the lot.
I saw the Catalinas at the Annapolis Sailboat Show this past fall (2023). They were very nice, and not as expensive as an IP, Tartan, or a Garcia.
I'm not sure how I feel about the wrap. I think I need more information. I'd like to see how it looks after a couple of summers.
I hope you'll be able to review the Sirius Yachts at some point. I'm fascinated with them. They are my current favorite boat.
Walked through a ton of boats at Annapolis last fall and was mostly disappointed. Like the earlier commenter said, who are these built for? I’ve heard people say boat builders are primarily targeting the chartering fleets, which would explain the liveability/partyability emphasis. For a while, the goal of having a nice “apartment” inside has ruined the boat’s lines, high freeboard, slab-sided, flat sheer line… now, is the goal of having giant party-capable cockpits even intruding on sailability? (no backstay, hence limited mainsail range)
Try right reverse maneuvering or aborting a bow first docking with a twin rudder boat with no bow thruster…the slightest current or crosswind change (gust) and it looks like a 15 year old parallel parking…it can be done but the charter companies almost always have you dock at the fuel pump and a local hops on board to take the helm-it just saves the damage and frustration 😇
Saw the same Beneteau and Jeanneau at Annapolis boat show, missed the Catalina & DuFour. I have to respectfully disagree with most of other commenters; the Jeanneau is gorgeous in person, and the sloped side decks are genius. It’s clearly a boat for entertaining, so there are compromises. Wish I had seen the Catalina - the access features look amazing. Which would I buy, if I had the money? None of these, I’d take the 40 ft. Hallberg-Rassy that made it to Annapolis. Drop dead gorgeous, and “only” $700k…. 😳😂
Thank you for these videos. Thank you for mentioning the prices of these yachts! I may renew my PS subscription if you keep this up!!!
You asked for thoughts: The Beneteau is a dock-condo that can sail. I have captained MANY boats with self-tacking jibs, and have yet to see one without a Hoyt Boom that actually points well. That galley is a disaster waiting to happen.
The Jenneau should have the furling line run along the lifeline on one side or the other. I don't care for the deck that seems as if it will funnel any water that comes over the side into the cockpit. You are going to have wet feet in rough seas for sure. The galley is better, but not great. Does this have a saildrive?
The Dufor - again with the shitty self-tacking jib. No anchor locker?!? This is meant to be a dock-condo too. I like the external chainplates though. Three heads means three times the headaches. Volvo and Saildrive is a double whammy.
To me, the Catalina seems to be the pick of this litter. Again, the self-tacking jib is a waste, but Catalina has put Genoa tracks on the deck, so you can still rig a traditional sheeting system. I'm not crazy about the inboard chainplates which are a known to leak on almost all Catalina yachts. The interior is much more to my liking than the other three.
For context: I am an ASA sailing instructor, a charter captain, and I own my own boat. My boat is a 1986 O'day 35, and I wouldn't trade it for any of these... well, maybe the Catalina.
Great video glad your not afraid to criticize
More money, but in the size, I loved the Tartan 395 I saw in Annapolis.
Catalina was sweet, love the weapon that other boat
Love the Catalina with the proper anchor locker and the lead keel, Tim. Can you speak about cast iron ballast/keel in Beneteaus? Oxidizing cast iron turns me off. Can you tell me why I am wrong? Thank you!
The Catalina is the only one I will go offshore!
I'm just starting to look to buy my first boat and I'm deadset on the 38-43 foot range because Ill likely be solo sailing around the world and these new boats show me that though some of the interior design ideas can be innovative, the build quality is not sufficient or hardy enough for real sailing and longevity when compared to some of the older (maintained) designs. Seems getting a second hand boat can not only be cheaper but more practical as well these days. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.
Love the boat tours. You make em, I'll watch. The Catalina looked pretty capable as an island hopping cruiser. Would you cross the Atlantic in her?
Catalina won this Pageant.
Traditional is traditional for a reason and it typically has something to do with safety
love the Dufour 41
The Catalina just wins for ease of maintenance and design. Plus the floor compared to one of the other boats, nothing is done badly on the Catalina, you won’t get as nice of an interior as a Beneteau however you will get a much better designed ocean going boat. the Catalina win hands-down. The engine access just sells me all day long. I’m not that mechanically inclined. However, you do need to be able to do some routine maintenance.
Clearly the Catalina is the better boat if you actually want to leave the dock. I’ve owned both Catalinas and a Benetau and the Catalina was the only one of the four that I would consider.