My spouse and I readily handle our Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 54DS, a 40,000 pound boat, by ourselves, including a long distance delivery from the Chesapeake to the Great Lakes. But the equipment that is essential to make that work is as follows: 1. Bluetooth headsets so we can talk to each other when docking and anchoring without yelling at each other. 2. Bow thruster without question 3. In-mast furled mainsail so we never leave the cockpit under sail 4. Electric winches for sheets and furling lines 5. Walk-thru transom and swim platform to make boarding from water or dinghy or emergency a non-event 6. Davits for the dinghy and hoist/rail mount for the dinghy motor 7. A windlass that can be remotely controlled from the helm 8. Remote control for the autopilot. We can debate the design merits of one boat versus another for cruising couples, but the above feature list is what will mean the difference between a couple having a pleasant experience versus a potentially stress-filled one.
@@Grand-paws Yeah, the price point on used Jeanneau DS's (42, 45, 49, 54) really shot up coming out of the pandemic, perhaps more so than other comparable makes/models. Friends of ours were shopping for a 42DS in 2021 and a nicely equipped one in good condition was over $200K for a 2005 model and there was a bidding war.
We bought a Jeanneau SO 37 and it works fine for us. The V-berth was too small so we ordered a custom mattress to extend the bed so both of us can sleep in it. Didn't need a bigger boat, needed a bigger bed! An in-mast mainsail was a must, swim platform for ease gettin on and off. Didn't need electric winches with this size boat. Wish we had more solar and a dinghy davit. A few more feet longer boat we could have added davits but for the price point it worked for us. We have a FP 5K generator, a watermaker, and life is good.
@@sailingwindspirit7391 Sounds like you have the bases covered nicely. Custom mattresses are on our shopping list, right now making do with foam toppers on the factory cushions. Agree that electric sheet winches are probably not needed for the loads of a 37 foot boat, but another advantage to having at least an electric halyard winch is that sending someone up the mast is a breeze.
I'm 50. Going to retire in 5 years. I would love to see a video in the 40-70k range from 32-40 foot( that's my comfort zone) anyway, I love your channel. I've learned sooo much from you! Thank you
We, the soon-to-be cruising couple, after 8 months of searching up and down the east coast and a max budget of $185k (including the inevitable upgrades, insurance, taxes, initial haulout fees, surveyor, etc.) went with a 2007 Jeanneau SO 45 with an all-new Selden in-mast furler rig and sails ... very happy with the decision and as a bonus, it turns out she's a rocket ship😁
Hi Tim: When we shopped in 2011 for a 40 ft. sailboat for extended summer cruising my wife selected the Beneteau 40 primarily for the galley layout. Microwave of to the side not above the stove and massive freezer separate from the refrigerator. All lines lead aft for easy couple or single handed sailing. On calm days the 54hp Yanmar really performs well, too. A large bulkhead starboard for a TV and plenty of storage space in the port cockpit locker, easy walkout to get in and out of the dingy. Glad we bought this boat!
I was wondering if you might like to do a "5 best 'oddball' boats" Something like, a ketch, an aluminum boat, a pilothouse sailboat, a cat- or gaff-rigged boat, a motor-sailor, things that are outside the mainstream. Personally, I'm taken by the Ovni boats for when my time comes to cast off, I'm sure there are others who like the "quirky boats" as well. Been loving the series, keep up the great work
My wifes' uncle has a custom 65 foot, three masted schooner pilot house with a dory based hull. She has a dedicated engine room(twin engines), a work shop with a lathe and drill press, a sewing room with a swing out sailrite sewing machine and a lifting keel. I also love the quirky boats!
5000 hr rebuild cycle Wow seriously ? Is that backed up by oil sampling data ? Industry data of certain engines ? Contamination of the interior .. the oil by the fuel burnt and the carbon left behind . These little 3 and 4 cylinder diesels are very fuel efficient hence less contamination. Air intake on the water has very little dust silica compared to land use engines. Less contamination again . They run constant rpm variable load governing the fuel system . That’s helpful for an engine also. I’ve only land heavy equipment experience ,Caterpillar for 40 years. My jet boat has a …. Oh that’s another trip . 15000 hrs with proper maintenance and good ventilation should be attainable . I just bought 38.1 clipper beneteau with a yanmar lol competitor but hey there’s tons of em in boats and these seem to be bulletproof Love your info man . I think it’s super that your sharing your experience.
If someone got asking price for a sailboat recently they need to be a patreon. You're a heck of a sailboat salesman. Im ready to rent the house and go to the Bahamas and ive lived in Florida my whole life.
Thank you for your videos. I love the down to earth approach you take. This video was really informative. Would it be possible to do a similar one for single handed sailors?
I don't think it's so much this model or that one, I think for happy cruising couples -- it is all details. Are you both comfortable? Can you get away from each other? Are your needs met? Is the toilet comfortable and easy to use and keep clean? Good point about the get away from the other person space. Everyone needs this. It's one of the first things I noticed about my boat. Separable spaces. There's the table, the nav desk -- not far enough apart. But then there's the other desk in the aft cabin. That's a deal maker. I think galley's need to have an exhaust fan. I''m working on one for my boat. Using an old hatch window I cut out a piece of plywood, made an elliptical cut out for the 6" fan. So far it seems to be working -- but why isn't this an off the shelf item? There are many things a boat should have that just don't seem to be available. (Ever see a full pull out trash can, no gaps? It's like 'duh' especially after you spill a bunch of coffee grounds trying to fossik out the one your boat builder spent zero time thinking about.) Heat/AC if you have these they should work. I was bundled up in my boat on a cold day and wondered about the heat exchanger. It worked for AC, so I tried it for heat. And once I remembered to open the thru hull so it could 'exchange' with the water - heated the cabin right up. Wow. I'm ready. Now I have to get back on the dating apps. I've also added Starlink, Apple TV and a 42" 4K HD - full internet and movies. And do you or your other sit sideways on the cushions? They're not really comfortable if your butt keeps sliding. I got an after market pad for an office chair to solve that problem. And good reading lights on bendy arms for the cabins - or anywhere someone likes to read. (They made LED cabin lights, they just didn't seem to make them very bright.) Also a folding helm wheel. These cost $1000, it's a lot to pay for 6" and not having to crawl over the bench. I'm always amazed at well designed boats that never seemed to consider how you get from one place to the other. (All these little things and the missing things -- like the galley exhaust fan -- it's a business opportunity. Once the other person knows what could be added to make a boat more livable? They're going to insist on it. Are there only people who want to scrape hulls and empty tanks?) Ah soundproofing. Yes. I spent a loud stressful 'month' on a Jeaneau 40 in just three days, but only motoring. My throat hurt from trying to talk over that engine. I didn't think of this until you mentioned it because my Hunter's 74hp Yanmar is so effectively silenced. I understand what you mean by 'production," finished in such a way you're not resurfacing it every six months. (I just saw a boat listed with a permanent cover for all the teak kick rails... Ah wouldn't just extruded aluminum look better than teak you have to life up Sunbrella to peek at?) As an old DIYer, I can tell you, after you've done something three times you never want to do it again. Teak is beautiful, but every damn year? for the rest of your life? I've built furniture, but on the outside of a boat I only want to see Sunbrella, solar panels, metal and gel coat. Another detail, those raised pullmans and the V Berths, how easy is it to get in and out? Do they need step, and a bar or something your important partner can grab or hang on to as she swings into bed? Every boat I've ever been on needs at a few extra grab bars. And every galley table needs a bigger radius on that one corner. It's got one on the other side...
Love the fancy new back drop!! Your incredibly well researched episodes inspired this 60 year old to start a UA-cam channel as part of my evil plan to convince my wife that a circumnavigation is a FANTASTIC retirement project. Believe it or not, I’m gaining momentum!! Wooohoooo!! NavalGazingatCampDavid.
I took my wife to the local new boat dealer, so she could see what kinds of boats are out there (we won't be buying new). We have a C&C 30 and that is the only thing she has seen, so she needed an introduction. We looked at a Beneteau 34 and it was a flat out NO. We moved up to a 42 and she said better, but no place to get away from each other. We entered the 51 and she said, this could work. The downside is, with just the two of us, I will be mostly single handing and I suspect the 50+ range might be too much. It does need to be blue water capable (not likely a Beneteau), as we have had assignments in England, Scotland, and Germany, and would like to leave the USA to visit them at least once or twice.
What didn't you like abut the 34? We have the Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 349 and chose it over a 40+ foot boat. We love our boat. Spacious, easy to sail, lesser marina and upkeep fees. Sails wonderful. More than enough room for 2 people. We have the 2 cabin version, our handicapped son has the V birth. We put a dometic freezer in the garage and plans for as washer dryer combo. Ah, you want blue water. :) People sail the world with Warram catamarans tied together with rope as well as Benateaus and Jeanneaus.
@@patriciapoot1180 We would be living board for at least a few years and didn't see it as being big enough. It would need the space to be comfortable and to store all of our things that we need access to and use in life.
Two years. And we'll be one of those couples. Taking sailing classes now. 3 to 5 year plan. Living on board an touring the tropics. With one Atlantic crossing planned.
That you for this video! Looking for a sailboat for single handed sailing with enough room for diving gear and second stateroom? Thinking 40-60’ ketch? But still kind of fast 14 knots under sail? I like a nav station/ computer station motor is no issue, I’ll rebuild it myself
As blue water/ cruising boat I'm curious if you have reviewed the Caliber 40 LRC or 47 LRC boats as they are similar in ways to the Island Packet boats, without the pedigree. They run a bit heavy, but part of the weight is with the unique/ substantial water & fuel tankage. The 40 LRC has a weird chart table location opposite the galley, but everything else works similar to the Island Packets along with the inclusion of a stay sail & skeg mounted rudder. The 47 LRC has the best layout with two full size state rooms, but the price point is a bit steep. As a SoCal sailor that only coastal sails in smaller Beneteau's & Catalina's I'm looking into the options of cruising as retirement nears.
I like that Bruce Roberts,!! I like the vee head and a roomy front berth! But I just can,t get past building a Tiki 38'! Perfect for Island hopping or, gulp, crossing to the other side! But realistically north when it,s warm south when it,s cold!
You perfectly called me out in the "early retirement group." Not sure if the woman is coming...Not sure I care. I don't understand all the catalina/benneteau love....yes, they are plentiful but I always like to have something unique
Hi captain. Thanks for great videos. I got absolutely hooked on the Catalina Morgan 440. Are there any other boats in the same style? Because they don't seem to easy to find in Europe.
The 40 Oceanis gets it's styling I believe in part from The modern Wauquiez line of boats that are better built. Beneteau bought Wauquiez for awhile and I think resold the line. The older Wauquiez are what are I call French Swans and Grand Soleil as Italian Swan.
Love your videos and practical takes on recommendations. I'm 61 and just retired. Looking to take ASA classes soon with hope of eventually buying and living aboard full time with my wife. I'm in So, Cal., would your suggestions change any?
As always great content. The one question I always have is depreciation. The real cost of a boat like this is the purchase price minus the eventual sale price plus maintenance. It is probably an impossible question but it would be great if you could guess a 3 to 5-year resale value. It has been my experience that boats lose a lot of value in the first couple of years, and then the price stabilizes for a while until the price falls off a cliff when people think it is now too old. This price curve varies a lot by make and model. Assuming the boat has been maintained to the state it was purchased in could you estimate its value in 3 years?
I really enjoy your insights into sailboats for most of us. I was recently on an Oyster 485 from 1993. It was hull No. 3 of the 485. I found it to be a very comfortable boat while beating to wind, an easy boat to sail, and an amazing boat for comfort at the end of the day. The deck saloon feature of the boat provided great light to the saloon and the ability to open forward lights to flood the saloon with air in the heat of Panama. I would like to hear your thoughts on Oyster deck saloon boats for both comfort and performance. Electric winches and electric windlass improved the ease of sailing.
Interesting options, but a Tahiti ketch I in steel,Weston Farmers Tahitians or Merritt Walters Tahiti ketch design with a simple heavy Duty Diesel( hand start if you can find one) and electric,now you have the basis, of the FJ series Toyota Land cruiser of the sea,more Tahiti,s have Circumnavigated than any boat built.
Just curious. What's your opinion of the Pacific Seacraft Crealock 37? Seems like this hits the sweet spot for island hopping in the Bahamas and also affords the opportunity to cross an ocean if you choose to.
Hi from Donald again i was watching another persons video had to do with moving hydraulic keel on sail boat ⛵️ its adjustable for getting in closer in bay area that other sail boats, would you be So kind to Chat about it please 🙏
I've been renovating my house for 2 years now so I can rent the upstairs and save some money so I can buy a boat to cruise, man its taking me so long and it feels like its never going to happen, :(
Can I ask why mono hull yachts never seem to have a large hard top over the cockpit area, many have a dodger and some will have a large sheet put up for shade but I never see any with a good size hard top unlike many cats. Any idea why? Thanks
Tim Great video , hi from Canada . Two thoughts for new videos, Purchasing a new sailboat in a charter fleet, and secondly the cost of maintaining a cruising sailboat. We are now on our second new boat in a charter fleet having taken the first boat out of the fleet and winter cruising for six winters. Yanmar predicts 10,000 hrs as useful life on their marine engines. Any 20 year old marine engine will need significant maintenance in a warm salt enviornment hours are not the only determining factor.
Since Dick Beaumont became my sailing Guru, I cannot imagine buying a used boat, especially an older one, that doesn't have two safety features for bluewater sailing; an integrated keel, and a rudder skeg. And until saint Boyan Slatt does not manage to clean up every ocean, and containers keep tumbling out of cargo ships, a boat without those two features would make me very uneasy to cross oceans with.
Funny how you don't mention the draft on these boats one of the most important things to me and it should be to you to Catalina 42 with almost 7 foot draft no thank you 😎😁 good luck in the Caribbean you're going to need it 😁
So many of you like French boats. I understand the cost/ speed attraction, but I have been in the boat repair business for 40 years. You’re welcome to your Beneteaus and Jouberts, i wouldn’t leave the mooring in one.
I’m this demographic. What if I intend to sail in the Mediterranean and then sail round the cape ending up in Philippines. I may even venture over to the US.
It's more popular now because people are checking out of the society that is collapsing around our ears. At least that is why it is gaining popularity in what used to be the United States.
Am I missing something? A diesel engine at least when it comes to heavy equipment is good for 10,000 hours. Is there some reason why diesel engines in a sailboat are only good for five? Generally speaking with heavy equipment you get 5,000 out of a gas engine you get 10,000 out of a diesel because the RPMs are far less for the diesel.
I have finally bought a boat at the end of last season. When I had started looking a long while ago (on and off), I saw certain boats for let’s say $60 to $80 k. Now the same type of boats and in very similar year and conditions sell for an average of $120 - $130 k. Further more, it’s not just the higher price but also the fact that they don’t stay on the market long enough at all. This is also why it took me so long to find the right one for me. 🤯
Say what ?..why we putting these cruising couples on battleships..scale down…I highly recommend the Beneteau 351, 361, or Jeanneau 37 ..I’ve owned all 3..Check out Sailing Bachus Home on UA-cam..couple took stock 361 from UK to New Zealand…or…an oldie but goody.. Pearson 36..couple on Sailing Uma have sailed it for 6+ years all over the place…couples don’t need 42 + feet to cruise on..too much boat at anchorage and then there’s the $.
They “wear out” at 5000 hours when they have zero oil changes. My uncle had a Camry years ago. It died at 450k km’s. I jokingly said how did you kill that so early given they were indestructible. It hadn’t had an oil change sine 198k km’s that’s how
what does 5000 hrs translate to road miles? I know diesels can run forever but are we talking Apple's to apples here? That's alot of hours for a boat engine
@@kevio6868 I have diesels in heavy machinery that runs at full power all day. Steady state power output is much easier on a engine especially a diesel then automotive. I have two excavators with over 25000 hrs and never have had major engine work…. And trucks with over 30000 hrs….. I have never had a diesel engine fail that wasn’t overheated under 10000 hrs…..
@@clintonstewart4786 I hear you, I rent portable diesel heaters and with proper mantenace they never fail. It was just a question why a boat diesel engine was apt to wear out compared to any diesel engine. Was just curious about the variables. I know they last a long time properly mantained
@@kevio6868 5,000 hours is end of life for a gasoline marine engine (if you are even able to make it that far), but a modern marine diesel such as a Yanmar will go 10,000 hours before needing an overhaul. At 5,000 hours, they are barely broken in. I think Tim's 5,000 hour assessment is a bit off. Our Yanmar has 3,500 hours on it and it looks like brand new and runs perfectly. Coming out of 7 months of cold winter storage, I turn the key and it instantly starts in a split second. If you do regular oil changes and other periodic maintenance listed in the factory manual, 5,000 hours is nothing.
Haha! I would've assaulted you if you didn't include a Morgan (Thank You, Tim!) or II. I've been smitten by the Morgan 43, 44CC and the 45.3(?) for all of those Morgan reasons: lots of thick glass, good seafaring when the weather goes to Shiite & the ability to give up and heave too if getting too badly beaten up. If you require 'stout' once every 10 years- Morgan's got it. But, what about a nice Jeanneau 379, 37 or 39i? I was also thinking about those many & varied Beneteau Oceanis' available: 40, 37, 393, 373...Long list of sugar scoopy boats and even some with dual wheels. My wife is 100Lbs soaking wet, but is a 400Lb hell biatch on wheels when tired, angry, frustrated or seasick. It's too high a price to pay to pound upwind with a super lite hull & structure. I'd rather draw 5' & carry 23,500 pounds 'O displaced water.
My spouse and I readily handle our Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 54DS, a 40,000 pound boat, by ourselves, including a long distance delivery from the Chesapeake to the Great Lakes. But the equipment that is essential to make that work is as follows: 1. Bluetooth headsets so we can talk to each other when docking and anchoring without yelling at each other. 2. Bow thruster without question 3. In-mast furled mainsail so we never leave the cockpit under sail 4. Electric winches for sheets and furling lines 5. Walk-thru transom and swim platform to make boarding from water or dinghy or emergency a non-event 6. Davits for the dinghy and hoist/rail mount for the dinghy motor 7. A windlass that can be remotely controlled from the helm 8. Remote control for the autopilot. We can debate the design merits of one boat versus another for cruising couples, but the above feature list is what will mean the difference between a couple having a pleasant experience versus a potentially stress-filled one.
A really great "shopping list"! 👍
The DS is my favorite boat of all unfortunately it seems as if they start at 250,000.
@@Grand-paws Yeah, the price point on used Jeanneau DS's (42, 45, 49, 54) really shot up coming out of the pandemic, perhaps more so than other comparable makes/models. Friends of ours were shopping for a 42DS in 2021 and a nicely equipped one in good condition was over $200K for a 2005 model and there was a bidding war.
We bought a Jeanneau SO 37 and it works fine for us. The V-berth was too small so we ordered a custom mattress to extend the bed so both of us can sleep in it. Didn't need a bigger boat, needed a bigger bed! An in-mast mainsail was a must, swim platform for ease gettin on and off. Didn't need electric winches with this size boat. Wish we had more solar and a dinghy davit. A few more feet longer boat we could have added davits but for the price point it worked for us. We have a FP 5K generator, a watermaker, and life is good.
@@sailingwindspirit7391 Sounds like you have the bases covered nicely. Custom mattresses are on our shopping list, right now making do with foam toppers on the factory cushions. Agree that electric sheet winches are probably not needed for the loads of a 37 foot boat, but another advantage to having at least an electric halyard winch is that sending someone up the mast is a breeze.
I'm 50. Going to retire in 5 years. I would love to see a video in the 40-70k range from 32-40 foot( that's my comfort zone) anyway, I love your channel. I've learned sooo much from you! Thank you
Retiring at 55? Maximum envy. Hope you have a fantastic retirement! 👍
I really hope for you and my sake the prices begin to cool off in the next couple of years
We, the soon-to-be cruising couple, after 8 months of searching up and down the east coast and a max budget of $185k (including the inevitable upgrades, insurance, taxes, initial haulout fees, surveyor, etc.) went with a 2007 Jeanneau SO 45 with an all-new Selden in-mast furler rig and sails ... very happy with the decision and as a bonus, it turns out she's a rocket ship😁
Hi Tim:
When we shopped in 2011 for a 40 ft. sailboat for extended summer cruising my wife selected the Beneteau 40 primarily for the galley layout. Microwave of to the side not above the stove and massive freezer separate from the refrigerator. All lines lead aft for easy couple or single handed sailing. On calm days the 54hp Yanmar really performs well, too. A large bulkhead starboard for a TV and plenty of storage space in the port cockpit locker, easy walkout to get in and out of the dingy. Glad we bought this boat!
Yup two cabin layout his/hers makes alot of sense.
I was wondering if you might like to do a "5 best 'oddball' boats"
Something like, a ketch, an aluminum boat, a pilothouse sailboat, a cat- or gaff-rigged boat, a motor-sailor, things that are outside the mainstream. Personally, I'm taken by the Ovni boats for when my time comes to cast off, I'm sure there are others who like the "quirky boats" as well.
Been loving the series, keep up the great work
My wifes' uncle has a custom 65 foot, three masted schooner pilot house with a dory based hull. She has a dedicated engine room(twin engines), a work shop with a lathe and drill press, a sewing room with a swing out sailrite sewing machine and a lifting keel. I also love the quirky boats!
5000 hr rebuild cycle
Wow seriously ?
Is that backed up by oil sampling data ? Industry data of certain engines ?
Contamination of the interior .. the oil by the fuel burnt and the carbon left behind . These little 3 and 4 cylinder diesels are very fuel efficient hence less contamination.
Air intake on the water has very little dust silica compared to land use engines. Less contamination again .
They run constant rpm variable load governing the fuel system . That’s helpful for an engine also.
I’ve only land heavy equipment experience ,Caterpillar for 40 years. My jet boat has a …. Oh that’s another trip .
15000 hrs with proper maintenance and good ventilation should be attainable .
I just bought 38.1 clipper beneteau with a yanmar lol competitor but hey there’s tons of em in boats and these seem to be bulletproof
Love your info man .
I think it’s super that your sharing your experience.
If someone got asking price for a sailboat recently they need to be a patreon.
You're a heck of a sailboat salesman.
Im ready to rent the house and go to the Bahamas and ive lived in Florida my whole life.
I like the Morgan the best. What a beautiful boat....
Thanks for everything you do.
This one, and, top five 40 ft sailboats, are just what I'm interested in.
Thanks Tim. Thank you for doing this segment just for us 😉
Great show.
Thank you for your videos. I love the down to earth approach you take. This video was really informative. Would it be possible to do a similar one for single handed sailors?
I don't think it's so much this model or that one, I think for happy cruising couples -- it is all details. Are you both comfortable? Can you get away from each other? Are your needs met? Is the toilet comfortable and easy to use and keep clean?
Good point about the get away from the other person space. Everyone needs this. It's one of the first things I noticed about my boat. Separable spaces. There's the table, the nav desk -- not far enough apart. But then there's the other desk in the aft cabin. That's a deal maker.
I think galley's need to have an exhaust fan. I''m working on one for my boat. Using an old hatch window I cut out a piece of plywood, made an elliptical cut out for the 6" fan. So far it seems to be working -- but why isn't this an off the shelf item? There are many things a boat should have that just don't seem to be available. (Ever see a full pull out trash can, no gaps? It's like 'duh' especially after you spill a bunch of coffee grounds trying to fossik out the one your boat builder spent zero time thinking about.)
Heat/AC if you have these they should work. I was bundled up in my boat on a cold day and wondered about the heat exchanger. It worked for AC, so I tried it for heat. And once I remembered to open the thru hull so it could 'exchange' with the water - heated the cabin right up. Wow. I'm ready. Now I have to get back on the dating apps.
I've also added Starlink, Apple TV and a 42" 4K HD - full internet and movies.
And do you or your other sit sideways on the cushions? They're not really comfortable if your butt keeps sliding. I got an after market pad for an office chair to solve that problem. And good reading lights on bendy arms for the cabins - or anywhere someone likes to read. (They made LED cabin lights, they just didn't seem to make them very bright.)
Also a folding helm wheel. These cost $1000, it's a lot to pay for 6" and not having to crawl over the bench. I'm always amazed at well designed boats that never seemed to consider how you get from one place to the other. (All these little things and the missing things -- like the galley exhaust fan -- it's a business opportunity. Once the other person knows what could be added to make a boat more livable? They're going to insist on it. Are there only people who want to scrape hulls and empty tanks?)
Ah soundproofing. Yes. I spent a loud stressful 'month' on a Jeaneau 40 in just three days, but only motoring. My throat hurt from trying to talk over that engine. I didn't think of this until you mentioned it because my Hunter's 74hp Yanmar is so effectively silenced.
I understand what you mean by 'production," finished in such a way you're not resurfacing it every six months. (I just saw a boat listed with a permanent cover for all the teak kick rails... Ah wouldn't just extruded aluminum look better than teak you have to life up Sunbrella to peek at?) As an old DIYer, I can tell you, after you've done something three times you never want to do it again. Teak is beautiful, but every damn year? for the rest of your life? I've built furniture, but on the outside of a boat I only want to see Sunbrella, solar panels, metal and gel coat.
Another detail, those raised pullmans and the V Berths, how easy is it to get in and out? Do they need step, and a bar or something your important partner can grab or hang on to as she swings into bed? Every boat I've ever been on needs at a few extra grab bars. And every galley table needs a bigger radius on that one corner. It's got one on the other side...
I would love to see a video like this exploring a Dufour, Bavaria, Elan, and Hanse in the ~40 ish foot range and the $80k to $150k range
And (my personal bias is showing here) a Moody 38, too!
I wish I know everything like you!! only sail since 10 years, but I still dont know nothing like you know everything
Love the fancy new back drop!! Your incredibly well researched episodes inspired this 60 year old to start a UA-cam channel as part of my evil plan to convince my wife that a circumnavigation is a FANTASTIC retirement project. Believe it or not, I’m gaining momentum!! Wooohoooo!! NavalGazingatCampDavid.
Good LUCK you can do it , i am 73 an am going for it also
@@cmorgan4515 Please stay in touch. I’d love to hear about your progress!!! Dave.
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Beneteau 423 (2 cabin version) was our answer to this question. 16 years later, she’s still the right answer for us.
I took my wife to the local new boat dealer, so she could see what kinds of boats are out there (we won't be buying new). We have a C&C 30 and that is the only thing she has seen, so she needed an introduction. We looked at a Beneteau 34 and it was a flat out NO. We moved up to a 42 and she said better, but no place to get away from each other. We entered the 51 and she said, this could work. The downside is, with just the two of us, I will be mostly single handing and I suspect the 50+ range might be too much. It does need to be blue water capable (not likely a Beneteau), as we have had assignments in England, Scotland, and Germany, and would like to leave the USA to visit them at least once or twice.
Maybe I can help
What didn't you like abut the 34? We have the Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 349 and chose it over a 40+ foot boat. We love our boat. Spacious, easy to sail, lesser marina and upkeep fees. Sails wonderful. More than enough room for 2 people. We have the 2 cabin version, our handicapped son has the V birth. We put a dometic freezer in the garage and plans for as washer dryer combo. Ah, you want blue water. :) People sail the world with Warram catamarans tied together with rope as well as Benateaus and Jeanneaus.
@@patriciapoot1180 We would be living board for at least a few years and didn't see it as being big enough. It would need the space to be comfortable and to store all of our things that we need access to and use in life.
Two years. And we'll be one of those couples. Taking sailing classes now. 3 to 5 year plan. Living on board an touring the tropics. With one Atlantic crossing planned.
I went round the world in my Fontaine Pajot Antigua 38 cat. The best boat for tropical tradewind living
That you for this video! Looking for a sailboat for single handed sailing with enough room for diving gear and second stateroom? Thinking 40-60’ ketch? But still kind of fast 14 knots under sail? I like a nav station/ computer station motor is no issue, I’ll rebuild it myself
As blue water/ cruising boat I'm curious if you have reviewed the Caliber 40 LRC or 47 LRC boats as they are similar in ways to the Island Packet boats, without the pedigree. They run a bit heavy, but part of the weight is with the unique/ substantial water & fuel tankage. The 40 LRC has a weird chart table location opposite the galley, but everything else works similar to the Island Packets along with the inclusion of a stay sail & skeg mounted rudder. The 47 LRC has the best layout with two full size state rooms, but the price point is a bit steep.
As a SoCal sailor that only coastal sails in smaller Beneteau's & Catalina's I'm looking into the options of cruising as retirement nears.
I like that Bruce Roberts,!! I like the vee head and a roomy front berth! But I just can,t get past building a Tiki 38'! Perfect for Island hopping or, gulp, crossing to the other side! But realistically north when it,s warm south when it,s cold!
You perfectly called me out in the "early retirement group." Not sure if the woman is coming...Not sure I care. I don't understand all the catalina/benneteau love....yes, they are plentiful but I always like to have something unique
Thanks Tim.
Love it! How about boats for partners? 2 full cabins for older best friends who wanna still have some adventure? And don't mind sweat equity...
Hi captain. Thanks for great videos. I got absolutely hooked on the Catalina Morgan 440. Are there any other boats in the same style? Because they don't seem to easy to find in Europe.
Great video and I loved the Benetaua Oceanus 40! Keep them coming.
The 40 Oceanis gets it's styling I believe in part from The modern Wauquiez line of boats that are better built. Beneteau bought Wauquiez for awhile and I think resold the line. The older Wauquiez are what are I call French Swans and Grand Soleil as Italian Swan.
I was onboard that very Cat-Morgan 440 a few weeks back and it feels more like a 55’ on the inside!
Love your videos and practical takes on recommendations. I'm 61 and just retired. Looking to take ASA classes soon with hope of eventually buying and living aboard full time with my wife. I'm in So, Cal., would your suggestions change any?
You can do it!
It would be nice if you would include the headroom in these boats. Thx for good vids...
Hi, which boats you recommended for singles, not only coastal but possible ocean crossing. Thanks.
I have noticed you haven't reviewed any Hylas boats. I've been looking at them and wondered what your thoughts on them are. Thanks!
Cheers to you.
Love the Catalina Morgans!!! But I am doing a catamaran in Caribbean now....
🤙 good stuff lady k
As always great content. The one question I always have is depreciation. The real cost of a boat like this is the purchase price minus the eventual sale price plus maintenance. It is probably an impossible question but it would be great if you could guess a 3 to 5-year resale value. It has been my experience that boats lose a lot of value in the first couple of years, and then the price stabilizes for a while until the price falls off a cliff when people think it is now too old. This price curve varies a lot by make and model.
Assuming the boat has been maintained to the state it was purchased in could you estimate its value in 3 years?
Hey Buddy! I'm looking at a 94 beneteau oceanis 400 vs 89 jenneau sun magic 44, buying now when l make up my mind!
Oooooo sweeeeeet!!!
I really enjoy your insights into sailboats for most of us. I was recently on an Oyster 485 from 1993. It was hull No. 3 of the 485. I found it to be a very comfortable boat while beating to wind, an easy boat to sail, and an amazing boat for comfort at the end of the day. The deck saloon feature of the boat provided great light to the saloon and the ability to open forward lights to flood the saloon with air in the heat of Panama. I would like to hear your thoughts on Oyster deck saloon boats for both comfort and performance. Electric winches and electric windlass improved the ease of sailing.
Interesting options, but a Tahiti ketch I in steel,Weston Farmers Tahitians or Merritt Walters Tahiti ketch design with a simple heavy Duty Diesel( hand start if you can find one) and electric,now you have the basis, of the FJ series Toyota Land cruiser of the sea,more Tahiti,s have Circumnavigated than any boat built.
Just curious. What's your opinion of the Pacific Seacraft Crealock 37? Seems like this hits the sweet spot for island hopping in the Bahamas and also affords the opportunity to cross an ocean if you choose to.
yes it is
Hi from Donald again i was watching another persons video had to do with moving hydraulic keel on sail boat ⛵️ its adjustable for getting in closer in bay area that other sail boats, would you be So kind to Chat about it please 🙏
I'm looking at a 36 foot endeavor, it's a blue water boat for sure. So what do you think about them
WWII B-17 trailer. From cockpit area to plexiglas nose (Bow).
I've been renovating my house for 2 years now so I can rent the upstairs and save some money so I can buy a boat to cruise, man its taking me so long and it feels like its never going to happen, :(
keep going Victor...chase that dream you will get there
Do a video on the perfect Dive charter boat for two couples? Sailboat of course 😎
Can I ask why mono hull yachts never seem to have a large hard top over the cockpit area, many have a dodger and some will have a large sheet put up for shade but I never see any with a good size hard top unlike many cats. Any idea why? Thanks
want a challenge? do island hopper boats that can be trailered. for a lot of us its not the boat, its how to store it.
Cruising is working on your boat in exotic places.
Yachting is having other people work on your boat in exotic places.
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Tim Great video , hi from Canada . Two thoughts for new videos, Purchasing a new sailboat in a charter fleet, and secondly the cost of maintaining a cruising sailboat. We are now on our second new boat in a charter fleet having taken the first boat out of the fleet and winter cruising for six winters. Yanmar predicts 10,000 hrs as useful life on their marine engines. Any 20 year old marine engine will need significant maintenance in a warm salt enviornment hours are not the only determining factor.
Since Dick Beaumont became my sailing Guru, I cannot imagine buying a used boat, especially an older one, that doesn't have two safety features for bluewater sailing; an integrated keel, and a rudder skeg. And until saint Boyan Slatt does not manage to clean up every ocean, and containers keep tumbling out of cargo ships, a boat without those two features would make me very uneasy to cross oceans with.
What about a big Hans Christian? That long keel is king !
I’ve got a Beneteau Oceanis 411 Clipper. I love it so much but always have a giggle when people misspell the name and call it an Oceanus 😳
Funny how you don't mention the draft on these boats one of the most important things to me and it should be to you to Catalina 42 with almost 7 foot draft no thank you 😎😁 good luck in the Caribbean you're going to need it 😁
One more comment. What is the boat sitting on the sandbar with apparently no keel at 45 seconds into the video?
Great content. But, I wish you sync’d your pictures better with your dialog.
I’ve been thinking about what you said… my space = Zurich | her space = anywhere but Zurich. 😂
So many of you like French boats. I understand the cost/ speed attraction, but I have been in the boat repair business for 40 years. You’re welcome to your Beneteaus and Jouberts, i wouldn’t leave the mooring in one.
What brands do you like working on? Or rarely see for repairs?
Don’t know what your budget is but cape dories and sabres were excellent value for the money. If you want to go top shelf I would call island packet
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I dream about buying a Silent 80 or 80ft. yacht and go by myself around the Atlantic single-handed.
wow that's cool but a daunting task
What is best brand name sailboats ⛵️ could you tell me I want buy sailboat new
Manageable for me alone ? 🤔 think 42’ ft is ok. Fl to Bahamas around the islands back to Fl then north to NY. That’s my plan.
What about a boat for cruising couples based in Hawaii who want to go further into the South Pacific as well as around the Hawaiian Islands?
Time to
Head for the Bunker
Well I can't afford any of those boats so I will stick with my Alberg 30.
YESSS!!!!!!!!! Take me sailing! hehehe
It's the boat she wants.
Tim. A dumb question. I hear about Mark 2 Mark etc. what exactly is that saying when they saying that ?
Usually the first generation of boats is mark 1. Then they redesign it after a few years and call it mk 2 and so on
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You forgot the Jeaneau 349. better than the Benateau ;)
I’m this demographic. What if I intend to sail in the Mediterranean and then sail round the cape ending up in Philippines. I may even venture over to the US.
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It's more popular now because people are checking out of the society that is collapsing around our ears. At least that is why it is gaining popularity in what used to be the United States.
Am I missing something? A diesel engine at least when it comes to heavy equipment is good for 10,000 hours. Is there some reason why diesel engines in a sailboat are only good for five? Generally speaking with heavy equipment you get 5,000 out of a gas engine you get 10,000 out of a diesel because the RPMs are far less for the diesel.
Tim you keep going to yachts over 40ft what about as all who want to buy under 40
It seems though that prices are still higher than before COVID and the boating explosion. 🤷♂️
Not in Europe. Here the prices are falling quickly.
Everything in the states went up after January 6
@@StarfleetCommand71 where? Did you go to Boot Dusseldorf?
@@patriciapoot1180 I was there. But I am talking about prices for used boats. They have gone down a lot in the last 7-8 months.
I have finally bought a boat at the end of last season.
When I had started looking a long while ago (on and off), I saw certain boats for let’s say $60 to $80 k.
Now the same type of boats and in very similar year and conditions sell for an average of $120 - $130 k. Further more, it’s not just the higher price but also the fact that they don’t stay on the market long enough at all.
This is also why it took me so long to find the right one for me. 🤯
I need a,70 footer
Say what ?..why we putting these cruising couples on battleships..scale down…I highly recommend the Beneteau 351, 361, or Jeanneau 37 ..I’ve owned all 3..Check out Sailing Bachus Home on UA-cam..couple took stock 361 from UK to New Zealand…or…an oldie but goody.. Pearson 36..couple on Sailing Uma have sailed it for 6+ years all over the place…couples don’t need 42 + feet to cruise on..too much boat at anchorage and then there’s the $.
What are sundowners? Google doesn't have an answer with regards to sailing
A diesel wore out at 5000 hrs??? Are you kidding? Maybe at 15-20000 hrs
They “wear out” at 5000 hours when they have zero oil changes. My uncle had a Camry years ago. It died at 450k km’s. I jokingly said how did you kill that so early given they were indestructible. It hadn’t had an oil change sine 198k km’s that’s how
what does 5000 hrs translate to road miles? I know diesels can run forever but are we talking Apple's to apples here? That's alot of hours for a boat engine
@@kevio6868 I have diesels in heavy machinery that runs at full power all day. Steady state power output is much easier on a engine especially a diesel then automotive. I have two excavators with over 25000 hrs and never have had major engine work…. And trucks with over 30000 hrs….. I have never had a diesel engine fail that wasn’t overheated under 10000 hrs…..
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I hear you, I rent portable diesel heaters and with proper mantenace they never fail.
It was just a question why a boat diesel engine was apt to wear out compared to any diesel engine. Was just curious about the variables. I know they last a long time properly mantained
@@kevio6868 5,000 hours is end of life for a gasoline marine engine (if you are even able to make it that far), but a modern marine diesel such as a Yanmar will go 10,000 hours before needing an overhaul. At 5,000 hours, they are barely broken in. I think Tim's 5,000 hour assessment is a bit off. Our Yanmar has 3,500 hours on it and it looks like brand new and runs perfectly. Coming out of 7 months of cold winter storage, I turn the key and it instantly starts in a split second. If you do regular oil changes and other periodic maintenance listed in the factory manual, 5,000 hours is nothing.
i thought this site would be just what we were looking for, but the commentary not matching the pics drives me nuts, oh well lol
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No HRs?
Didn't see any
@@LadyKSailing ah right, it was what's on the market right now. I think if we'll ever get there, then an HR is my dream boat!
Ooops, I have 5 footitus now...
Just so you know, “cruising couples”had a double meaning. 😉
The main problem with the Bruce Roberts boat is that it’s about as ugly outside as the Irwins.
Is there a sailing discord channel? It would be cool to chat with some salty saltsters.
I see prices Halfed then dropping in price again
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Oceanus? Remind me never to hire that broker to sell my boat ;)
Hahaha you caught that too
@@LadyKSailing Sooo many jokes possibilities, so little time!
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Haha! I would've assaulted you if you didn't include a Morgan (Thank You, Tim!) or II. I've been smitten by the Morgan 43, 44CC and the 45.3(?) for all of those Morgan reasons: lots of thick glass, good seafaring when the weather goes to Shiite & the ability to give up and heave too if getting too badly beaten up. If you require 'stout' once every 10 years- Morgan's got it. But, what about a nice Jeanneau 379, 37 or 39i? I was also thinking about those many & varied Beneteau Oceanis' available: 40, 37, 393, 373...Long list of sugar scoopy boats and even some with dual wheels. My wife is 100Lbs soaking wet, but is a 400Lb hell biatch on wheels when tired, angry, frustrated or seasick. It's too high a price to pay to pound upwind with a super lite hull & structure. I'd rather draw 5' & carry 23,500 pounds 'O displaced water.
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