The only price people pay is the price of US mains getting r73 removed from mig29. They were so scared of actually good IR missiles that gaijin had no other choice, so they added 2 very good missiles. Actions have consequences...
@@goliath3413or because...you know...the missile wasn't working? I mean ffs everyone was complaining that the r73's guidance was bugged when it did end up getting released, you guys make no sense
@@williewilson2250 because it is still broken. The removal with the cause "the flight model and seeker isnt ready" is nonsense because right now the missile is exactly the same as the second implementation minus the spin out of control. It was just a farce to hide the favoritism under 'technical issues'.
Just so you know, the AAM3 doesn't actually pull 40Gs, It pulls 30, the stats are all the same, the only difference is the AAM3 has less drag than the 9M, so it accelerates a little faster, and holds speed a little better.
i mean if they buffed it it could be at 12.7 as it should be. Needs more thrust, fix the sparrows, and give it hmd. Also let us bring 8 9ms if you refuse to make the sparrow preform well.
more thrust is certainly questionable and the sparrows do need some better treatment but america's sidewinders are better than russia R60's R73's ect and russias radar missiles are better than the american ones and america does just have better radar like alot better so i mean HMD on the F15 i would want but i dont think it should go on the F15A sure the F15C EX what ever f15 comes next then sure i can see it but the early one? probably not
Its so funny that US players think the F-15 has HMD, TWS, or some other bullshit they make up because their radar doesn't excel in any way, the F-15A is less modern than the F-16A for reference so why would it have features the F-16A doesn't have right now.
This is a general problem with Gaijin, they'd rather a whole BR bracket suffer than to let one plane suffer. I know, it's stupid when I put it like this but it keeps happening.
F4s entered service in 1970, its not that far off in age. I am not saying that they should see each other in war thunder, but age is not a valid argument.
Game balance in WT is bad across the board. SU25's with R60M's shouldn't face flareless F86 Sabres. Japanese tier 6 planes without flares going up against all-aspect Aim9L and R60M's... This one is finally a breath of air for players who have been fighting uphill against the R27ER... I don't blame them for enjoying it.
ye, like now, battle rating is really unfair if u play like for example f4s or mig 21 -es. I like the new planes these more moder ones introduced to fast in the game
Now lets be real,the f15 is a very good aircraft but the player that play it are not good, which you can mostly see at the lvl of the player, what i mean with that f15 players rush to too tier with a f4s bomb bases get a kd of 0.3 and then think theyr thanos and cant die in their f15 and then cry about tge f15 being bad
If you get to slap F-4Ss out of the sky(which is actually the upgrade package for the F-4J, which entered service 70/71. Then I say so be it, im tired of wallet warriors ruining the skies. It may sound like Propaganda but remember the F-15 was a huge technologic response to the Mig 25 foxbat and thinking they were losing the aviation game. SO the fact the F15 would be facing against peers prior to this isn't propaganda, infact we would most of the time be living in a "propaganda" moment if the US and other countries went by historical counterparts, in which F4-Es wouldve never seen a Mig23 ever. it wouldve seen Mig 19s and Mig 21s, because it faced those in vietnam. We simply do it to this point for gameplay, even though for some aircrafts its completely unfair (F4-Cs getting powercrept to the point its facing SU-25ks with no flares)
Come on guys stop the click bait... it's not BROKEN... i flown it for an evening, didn't find it good at all... Maybe if it had some busted missile... The plane itself isn't anything great, i find it weird to fly - quite like the F-14, feels heavy and sluggish... The roll is weak, and the boosters make the plane rip... It doesn't have anything special, quite a lot of planes have aim-9Ms and aim-7Ms, what makes this special? Don't tell me that it's 12.3 instead of 12.7... Doesn't matter whatsoever... The matchmaker is completely broken on every BR bracket anyways... Take the downtiers (what downtiers? what does this word even mean?) away and the plane is pretty balanced(is it? one word, R27)...
Why should the gripen be 12.7 whilst the f15 is 12.3? The f15 trades maneuverability for more missiles and bvr capabilities. Not exactly a good reason for it to be lower br.
I've sent up a bug report every time I get shot down since it's not historic 104-0 Rahhh.
🤣🤣 Based
the r27er has been the bane of this games balance since it was added and we are still are paying the price to this day.
The only price people pay is the price of US mains getting r73 removed from mig29. They were so scared of actually good IR missiles that gaijin had no other choice, so they added 2 very good missiles. Actions have consequences...
you must be on crack if you think the release mig 29 9.13 needed r73 vs the f16 with just 9Ls @@goliath3413
@@goliath3413or because...you know...the missile wasn't working? I mean ffs everyone was complaining that the r73's guidance was bugged when it did end up getting released, you guys make no sense
@@williewilson2250 because it is still broken. The removal with the cause "the flight model and seeker isnt ready" is nonsense because right now the missile is exactly the same as the second implementation minus the spin out of control. It was just a farce to hide the favoritism under 'technical issues'.
Thank US players for not allowing the introduction of the R-73 so gaijin added the ER.
Just so you know, the AAM3 doesn't actually pull 40Gs, It pulls 30, the stats are all the same, the only difference is the AAM3 has less drag than the 9M, so it accelerates a little faster, and holds speed a little better.
i mean if they buffed it it could be at 12.7 as it should be. Needs more thrust, fix the sparrows, and give it hmd. Also let us bring 8 9ms if you refuse to make the sparrow preform well.
My brother in Christ it is already a rocket, more thrust?!?!
If you are asking for a buff you probably don't even know how to use the plane
its perfect, lee made sure that the devs got this thing up to spec.
more thrust is certainly questionable and the sparrows do need some better treatment but america's sidewinders are better than russia R60's R73's ect and russias radar missiles are better than the american ones and america does just have better radar like alot better so i mean HMD on the F15 i would want but i dont think it should go on the F15A sure the F15C EX what ever f15 comes next then sure i can see it but the early one? probably not
Its so funny that US players think the F-15 has HMD, TWS, or some other bullshit they make up because their radar doesn't excel in any way, the F-15A is less modern than the F-16A for reference so why would it have features the F-16A doesn't have right now.
This is a general problem with Gaijin, they'd rather a whole BR bracket suffer than to let one plane suffer. I know, it's stupid when I put it like this but it keeps happening.
"In esence all planes with 9L/R60M that are Under br 11.0...
I do love fighting F-15s in my F-104ASA, very fair and balanced
ofc extremely historical stuff!
104-0 RAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
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Am I going to get scalped? 😧
@@Silent_WT prepare yourself
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F4s entered service in 1970, its not that far off in age. I am not saying that they should see each other in war thunder, but age is not a valid argument.
Game balance in WT is bad across the board. SU25's with R60M's shouldn't face flareless F86 Sabres.
Japanese tier 6 planes without flares going up against all-aspect Aim9L and R60M's...
This one is finally a breath of air for players who have been fighting uphill against the R27ER... I don't blame them for enjoying it.
It’s the teams man, gaijin sees the bad winrate and KD/KB (Not premiums bought to get there) and assumes that the plane is bad.
Welcome back! We've missed you xD
at somepoint i stopped recording aces or higher cause they where so casual in the f15 and like 70% are 12.7 games. the f15 can do so fine at toptier
You played the F-15 really well 😊
when someone has a friend like you, you pick up a couple of tricks x)
In this second match it’s a down tier “kills F-16A”
ye, like now, battle rating is really unfair if u play like for example f4s or mig 21 -es. I like the new planes these more moder ones introduced to fast in the game
just give it hmd and move it up with all the other jets with hmd
remove the Aim-9M for Aim-9L and put it at 12.0
The only jet I believe can beat an F22 is an F-15
I’m 99% sure it entered service 1976, so not late 70s, mid 70s. Definitely shouldn’t be at 12.3 though
Respect the google but pedantic as hell.
@@tribblefluffer I didn’t google it, just went off of memory, and a correction never hurt anyone
Now lets be real,the f15 is a very good aircraft but the player that play it are not good, which you can mostly see at the lvl of the player, what i mean with that f15 players rush to too tier with a f4s bomb bases get a kd of 0.3 and then think theyr thanos and cant die in their f15 and then cry about tge f15 being bad
If you get to slap F-4Ss out of the sky(which is actually the upgrade package for the F-4J, which entered service 70/71. Then I say so be it, im tired of wallet warriors ruining the skies.
It may sound like Propaganda but remember the F-15 was a huge technologic response to the Mig 25 foxbat and thinking they were losing the aviation game. SO the fact the F15 would be facing against peers prior to this isn't propaganda, infact we would most of the time be living in a "propaganda" moment if the US and other countries went by historical counterparts, in which F4-Es wouldve never seen a Mig23 ever. it wouldve seen Mig 19s and Mig 21s, because it faced those in vietnam.
We simply do it to this point for gameplay, even though for some aircrafts its completely unfair (F4-Cs getting powercrept to the point its facing SU-25ks with no flares)
Balancing by winrate is so flawed.
so true.
Nah, it should be moved to 5.3
I was thinking of reserve...
Come on guys stop the click bait... it's not BROKEN... i flown it for an evening, didn't find it good at all... Maybe if it had some busted missile... The plane itself isn't anything great, i find it weird to fly - quite like the F-14, feels heavy and sluggish... The roll is weak, and the boosters make the plane rip... It doesn't have anything special, quite a lot of planes have aim-9Ms and aim-7Ms, what makes this special? Don't tell me that it's 12.3 instead of 12.7... Doesn't matter whatsoever... The matchmaker is completely broken on every BR bracket anyways... Take the downtiers (what downtiers? what does this word even mean?) away and the plane is pretty balanced(is it? one word, R27)...
This is the worst take I’ve seen all year 2024 so far..
@@NotAnWildPigagreed XD
It's an f4 that flies like it's on low fuel and with more thrust
@@williewilson2250 make that second worst
@@NotAnWildPig it's really not bad
Why should the gripen be 12.7 whilst the f15 is 12.3? The f15 trades maneuverability for more missiles and bvr capabilities. Not exactly a good reason for it to be lower br.
What. The F15 is better than the Su27 in flight performance.
@@Loudward__ but, uh, he didnt mention the Su27?
@@ThePhobia18disregard that and accept that the f15 has an amazing flight model
@@williewilson2250 I think reading comprehension might be a bit difficult for you guys.
@@ThePhobia18 "disregard that"
Yeah, I don't know who you mean by "you guys"