Love this type of balancing. It really does make a difference. Hard to find dealers or garages that do this type of balancing however. And yes it does cost more but if done correctly it’s a one and done deal.
I had Goodyear put an expensive set of tires on my van. It had a odd vibration, and a Wierd road noise afterwards. They balanced it a couple of times, but nothing helped. I put up with it for about three years. I finally took it to a shop that could load force balance the tires. Two tires were good, but one was off by 45 and the other by 50. Goodyear wouldn’t do anything about it. I replaced those with Michelin tires, and no more issues. I haven’t bought Goodyear tires since then.
Great video, I feel I could almost do my own tires if I had that machine. The problem today is that people are not trained properly how to do the balancing the best they can get it.
You have to apply both inner and outer weights as indicated when using SmartWeight or you negate the very purpose of that mode. If you look at your first spin, SmartWeight showed static balance in the red and couple balance green (within tolerance). When you just put weight on the inner and did a check spin , you threw your couple balance AND static balance out. That’s why the machine requested more correction weight than before plus wasted your time. Change the mode to dynamic if you want to balance one side at a time like that (plus it’s a better balance). Scroll to SmartWeight, press and hold the control knob for a few seconds and it will let you choose between static and dynamic. There is also a fine mode that will disable rounding if the car is very sensitive to vibration.
yea i noticed that too, he slapped on the outer weights and spun it ... WHY ?? Now you just threw the balance off AGAIN and the computer has to recalculate again. Put your weights inside and out, THEN spin it to make sure its good
When I was taught by the hunter rep he did one then the other to account for rounding. In a job shop in sure you would just slap them both on. But in my school we have an extra min and I'm ok with them kids getting the extra practice and maybe saving me.25oz.
He doesn’t know how to use the machine. And isn’t very experience. You can tell by all his videos he is super careless with the wheels in the way he touches and damages them.
Good info. Its been a while since I balanced a tire. I just had mine rotated and balanced today and the kid said my one wheel was at "22". But its also a 275/55-20 from a Ram. He said it was fine, so I'll take his word for it.
22 lbs of road force is fine for a light truck tire. I think the machine goes red at like 40+ lbs of RF on an LT tire iirc. If you have one outlier it might be worth investigating, but I wouldn't lose sleep over 22lbs of RF.
@@JimVanbladelHerseyAuto I'm pretty sure the truck had a hard life before me. I picked it up at 29k miles. I had one bent rim and didn't know it until I got my first set of tires. I had to take back to Pepboys (I know...) 3 times before they found that bent rim. Thanks for the info man!
I wish these machines turned the tire/wheel assembly at highway speeds, since this is where most vibrations occur. A tire will act and run very different at 30 than it will at 60-70. Having said that, I wish I could find a tire shop that had tire guys that took the time to really dial in a new tire. Most tire shops are nothing but rush, rush rush. I now have my 2nd set of new tires on my E350 Super Duty that vibrate/shimmy at anything over 50. Yeah, the tire shop rebalanced them and it made a bit of difference but I found one rear tire has probably at least .75 inch lateral runout, the wheel is NOT bent. I will now, take back to the tire shop to show them and ask why the wonderful Hunter did not pick this variation up and eject the tire??
It's a Tire and Wheel Balancer. It Measures the force of Unbalance using the rotational speed of the machine. Once Balanced, there shouldn't be any Nasty harmonics at higher speeds. ( provided the operator, performed a proper balance to begin with ) So spinning at 60-70mph on the Machine isn't required. I worked in the Machine Tool Industry and we had to balance Mechanical Assemblies. such as Jet Engine turbine assemblies we used a Schenck balance Machine and a roundness machine called a TalyRond. It didn't rotate to 10,000 rpm, but could balance assemblies rated up to and above that rpm, using slow speed rotation. while these machines are on a much higher precision than a tire balancer. the principle is the same. Measure the imbalance at lower RPM, and correct it, to within tolerance for the higher rpm.
my car has ZERO vibration with the stock wheels and tires. Purchased a NEW set of wheels and tires, then got a vibration at 65 mph and a slight wobble on the front end at idle speed. Took the wheels and tires to 5 different tire shops and 2 bent rim repair shops and they tell me the wheels and tires are FINE ... I gave a guy a ride in the car with the wheels and he DID feel the tire hop but said it was my suspension. So i said, why is that hop NOT there with the factory wheels and tires, but it IS there with the new wheels and tires and he said i dont know but your wheels are fine.
Bro i am facing 100% same issue but all the mechanics are saying tyres are fine. I did an experiment by replacing rear wheels with front wheels. This has solved problem by 70% but 30% issue is still there
@@alialvi2226 i took the wheels off the front and put the oem wheels back on and it drives perfect. No time right now to keep trouble shooting this issue. At some point i will try again ... i honestly believe the wheels are "warped" but they either are not looking close enough or dont know what to look for.
I got this done at my dealership and they said my tires can't balance because the tires are 6/32. Is that right? You can't balance tires with thread life at 6/32?
I feel vibrations at 65mph+...could it be tires? I had them balanced but I don't trust the ones I went to and it was standard balancing not road force balancing...struts are original and I'm at 180k miles so maybe it could be them?
It isn't necessary to balance a wheel. But if you are trying to diagnose a vibration issue it's a useful tool. Doing the RF gives me a piece of mind that I'm not sending an oval tire out on the road. That being said, I've used non-RF machines and the tire still balanced and were fine in the road. So is it 100% necessary?... No. (Don't tell me hunter rep I said that :) ) Is it a good thing to do to make sure you don't have a car come back?... IMO yes.
I have a Jeep Wrangler with 33 x 12 Mud and Snow Tires on it. when I had the tires mounted the shop put Ballance Beads in the tires instead of Weights. It's semi ok. But sometimes when I stop and Start again, there is lots of Vibrations at 40 - 45 mph and again at 60 - 65 mph. then the next Stop and Start, might smooth it out, very little to no vibrations. can this be corrected with Road force Balancing? removing the Balance Beads and using weights instead?
In my experience road noise and vibration comes with the territory when you have big gnarly tires. This machine will force match which is probably the best option to get it as good as it can be.
This guy loves to scrape the equipment carelessly on the face of the wheels. Watched him do it also on his other videos. So crazy to watch. It’s cringe worthy..
Best road force balance video on UA-cam
my god i so miss this machine. psu broke down and i sold it, I remember doing this just for fun showing everyone how cool it was,
Love this type of balancing. It really does make a difference.
Hard to find dealers or garages that do this type of balancing however.
And yes it does cost more but if done correctly it’s a one and done deal.
Discount Tire does it
I had Goodyear put an expensive set of tires on my van. It had a odd vibration, and a Wierd road noise afterwards. They balanced it a couple of times, but nothing helped. I put up with it for about three years. I finally took it to a shop that could load force balance the tires. Two tires were good, but one was off by 45 and the other by 50. Goodyear wouldn’t do anything about it. I replaced those with Michelin tires, and no more issues. I haven’t bought Goodyear tires since then.
Not touch screen🤣🤣🤣you made my day😆🙌
Love the tires!
Great video, I feel I could almost do my own tires if I had that machine. The problem today is that people are not trained properly how to do the balancing the best they can get it.
I've watched the kids balancing out the tires at places like Discount Tire with the Hunter and they don't even bother with these steps....Not joking.
Quick buck
Thumbs up for using Simple Green!!!
Best video yet on this. Thank you!! My shop I do not think knows how to use theirs. Sadly…
Awesome Video
You have to apply both inner and outer weights as indicated when using SmartWeight or you negate the very purpose of that mode. If you look at your first spin, SmartWeight showed static balance in the red and couple balance green (within tolerance). When you just put weight on the inner and did a check spin , you threw your couple balance AND static balance out. That’s why the machine requested more correction weight than before plus wasted your time. Change the mode to dynamic if you want to balance one side at a time like that (plus it’s a better balance). Scroll to SmartWeight, press and hold the control knob for a few seconds and it will let you choose between static and dynamic. There is also a fine mode that will disable rounding if the car is very sensitive to vibration.
yea i noticed that too, he slapped on the outer weights and spun it ... WHY ?? Now you just threw the balance off AGAIN and the computer has to recalculate again.
Put your weights inside and out, THEN spin it to make sure its good
When I was taught by the hunter rep he did one then the other to account for rounding. In a job shop in sure you would just slap them both on. But in my school we have an extra min and I'm ok with them kids getting the extra practice and maybe saving me.25oz.
He doesn’t know how to use the machine. And isn’t very experience. You can tell by all his videos he is super careless with the wheels in the way he touches and damages them.
Dam good information
I just so wish that someone in the UAE understood how to balance wheels like you do.
Good info. Its been a while since I balanced a tire. I just had mine rotated and balanced today and the kid said my one wheel was at "22". But its also a 275/55-20 from a Ram. He said it was fine, so I'll take his word for it.
22 lbs of road force is fine for a light truck tire. I think the machine goes red at like 40+ lbs of RF on an LT tire iirc. If you have one outlier it might be worth investigating, but I wouldn't lose sleep over 22lbs of RF.
@@JimVanbladelHerseyAuto I'm pretty sure the truck had a hard life before me. I picked it up at 29k miles. I had one bent rim and didn't know it until I got my first set of tires. I had to take back to Pepboys (I know...) 3 times before they found that bent rim.
Thanks for the info man!
Hard to follow with the camera being moved around so fast. Thanks for the explanation on how they work
I wish these machines turned the tire/wheel assembly at highway speeds, since this is where most vibrations occur. A tire will act and run very different at 30 than it will at 60-70. Having said that, I wish I could find a tire shop that had tire guys that took the time to really dial in a new tire. Most tire shops are nothing but rush, rush rush. I now have my 2nd set of new tires on my E350 Super Duty that vibrate/shimmy at anything over 50. Yeah, the tire shop rebalanced them and it made a bit of difference but I found one rear tire has probably at least .75 inch lateral runout, the wheel is NOT bent. I will now, take back to the tire shop to show them and ask why the wonderful Hunter did not pick this variation up and eject the tire??
It's a Tire and Wheel Balancer.
It Measures the force of Unbalance using the rotational speed of the machine.
Once Balanced, there shouldn't be any Nasty harmonics at higher speeds. ( provided the operator, performed a proper balance to begin with )
So spinning at 60-70mph on the Machine isn't required.
I worked in the Machine Tool Industry and we had to balance Mechanical Assemblies.
such as Jet Engine turbine assemblies
we used a Schenck balance Machine and a roundness machine called a TalyRond.
It didn't rotate to 10,000 rpm, but could balance assemblies rated up to and above that rpm, using slow speed rotation.
while these machines are on a much higher precision than a tire balancer.
the principle is the same.
Measure the imbalance at lower RPM, and correct it, to within tolerance for the higher rpm.
@@wyldanimal2yeah, if you cut down on imbalance, it will cut down on imbalance on all speeds
I use coarse steel wool with brake cleaner before I stick wheel weights..then tap it down with small hammer
my car has ZERO vibration with the stock wheels and tires. Purchased a NEW set of wheels and tires, then got a vibration at 65 mph and a slight wobble on the front end at idle speed.
Took the wheels and tires to 5 different tire shops and 2 bent rim repair shops and they tell me the wheels and tires are FINE ...
I gave a guy a ride in the car with the wheels and he DID feel the tire hop but said it was my suspension. So i said, why is that hop NOT there with the factory wheels and tires, but it IS there with the new wheels and tires and he said i dont know but your wheels are fine.
Bro i am facing 100% same issue but all the mechanics are saying tyres are fine. I did an experiment by replacing rear wheels with front wheels. This has solved problem by 70% but 30% issue is still there
@@alialvi2226 i took the wheels off the front and put the oem wheels back on and it drives perfect. No time right now to keep trouble shooting this issue.
At some point i will try again ... i honestly believe the wheels are "warped" but they either are not looking close enough or dont know what to look for.
Frustrating.
what can I ask the tyre shop to get all the things done for my 4 wheels and tyres? runout, road force, and balance?
I got this done at my dealership and they said my tires can't balance because the tires are 6/32. Is that right? You can't balance tires with thread life at 6/32?
I feel vibrations at 65mph+...could it be tires? I had them balanced but I don't trust the ones I went to and it was standard balancing not road force balancing...struts are original and I'm at 180k miles so maybe it could be them?
The soft key not working, any idea?
How much does that .machine cost?
Hi Jim, thanks for the walkthrough!
What do you think about garages and dealer sevice centers who state that Road Force "isn't necessary"?
It isn't necessary to balance a wheel. But if you are trying to diagnose a vibration issue it's a useful tool. Doing the RF gives me a piece of mind that I'm not sending an oval tire out on the road. That being said, I've used non-RF machines and the tire still balanced and were fine in the road.
So is it 100% necessary?... No. (Don't tell me hunter rep I said that :) )
Is it a good thing to do to make sure you don't have a car come back?... IMO yes.
@@JimVanbladelHerseyAuto As a customer I seek out and use only facilities with a RF balancing machine
@@Zickcermacity you drive a 94 Chevy Malibu, who cares
@@yourrealdaddy6332 Road Force is good for any make or model!
@@Zickcermacity 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣 😂 good come back👍👍👍👍
I have a Jeep Wrangler with 33 x 12 Mud and Snow Tires on it.
when I had the tires mounted the shop put Ballance Beads in the tires instead of Weights.
It's semi ok. But sometimes when I stop and Start again, there is lots of Vibrations at 40 - 45 mph and again at 60 - 65 mph.
then the next Stop and Start, might smooth it out, very little to no vibrations.
can this be corrected with Road force Balancing?
removing the Balance Beads and using weights instead?
In my experience road noise and vibration comes with the territory when you have big gnarly tires. This machine will force match which is probably the best option to get it as good as it can be.
van Bladel. Bladel is a small town half an hour away from me in The Netherlands.
Haha. I have been told that is where my name comes from. I still have relatives in the Netherlands that I have never met.
will this machine do roadforce balancing on a 225/70/19. Ford
F550 tire
no ford, just tires
I want You to balance my wheels:)
Sounds like a lot of sensors and stuff to fail
Duh-uh. You can always do it the old fashioned way, going by eye, etc. Its just be way less precise
This guy loves to scrape the equipment carelessly on the face of the wheels. Watched him do it also on his other videos. So crazy to watch. It’s cringe worthy..
The red🔴 Green🟢 dot's on tire do they matter y/n