Hes absolutely correct. In my view , the religious fundamentalism at play in those countries paired with the destroyed infrastructure and hopelessness of the children is a fertile breeding ground for the recruitment of future American hating terrorists. The only way to stop that would be total occupation of those countries in numbers we dont have to commit to it. Really the only option is to leave and make sure they are contained.
Yeah but if you don't pull out in time you could have a mistake on your hand that's going to last for the rest of your life. And then the only way to fix the mistake is to love the mistake even though you didn't want it in the first place. And even if you try to leave, the country can take you to court and force you to pay for the mistake for the rest of your life. Which is messed up because you didn't even really like the other country to begin with. You just wanted to have some fun and the other country was cool at first, but now they're hostile and like, "Take care of this mess you made otherwise I'm going to make you suffer." And at first you're like yeah whatever. But then you start to getting paranoid like, "Even though I could beat the crap out of the other country, I can't because then the rest of the countries in the world are going to come after me. And besides that, this little country can't kill me but they can definitely blow up a couple of my towers. That's what happened to that last country I was messing with like 20 years and I'm still paying for that." So then you're just like alright I'll just stay here a little bit longer and then I'll leave. But then the country kinda becomes dependent on your presence there. Like if you go they may have meltdown and start messing up other countries and then all the rest of the countries in the world is gonna blame you for that too. So then you're thinking, "Why did I even get in bed with this country in the first place?" And then you remember, you were being prideful and emotional and thought you could fix that country and go back to your old life. But nah. So now you're stuck with this crazy country and this little mistake that you didn't want in the first place. And then you find out that autism, diabetes, and general retardation run in this country's family. So now this little mistake has a gang of genetic and mental disorders that you gotta foot the bill for. Meanwhile your ol lady back at home is like, "Why are you messing that country? I thought you were done with her. This is why I don't like when you make executive decisions. I should've never elected you in the first place." So now you're paying for two countries and both and them hate you and no longer want them around. And at first you want to get mad at them, but then you realize. Nah, this was all your fault to begin with. You brought this on yourself. If you were at home taking care of your own country instead of looking out there to see what's going on in the world trying to be cool, you would've never had this problem to begin with. ...but yeah other than that we should definitely pull out of Syria.
Given the unwanted pregnancy rates in the USA I assume that the “Pulling out is never a bad idea” comment comes from either an INCEL or an incredibly lucky American man who I highly likely (statistically) to change his mind very fast in the future!! 😜⏰⁉️
That quote was before foreign trade , that ideal isn't possible after the first ounce of flour was sold outside this great country :and you can't put the genie back in the bottle.
Sadly the quote is human nature at it's worst. Pretty sure that quote is from George Santayana circ.1922 though. Sorry, not trying to hijack the comment, just figured I'd throw that out there if anyone wants to do their own research.
I did multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan and even though the middle east has always been crazy, invading Iraq caused today's situations in Syria and the creation of Isis. As bad as Saddam was, there were no Islamic terrorists in Iraq. Saddam hated terrorists. The Sunni and Shia were living together peacefully. You wouldn't believe how many Iraqis told us life was much better under Saddam. Also Afghanistan would be in a much more favorable situation had we not diverted all our energy and equipment to Iraq.
The Sunni and Shia were living together peacefully...huh...I guess that is why they went at each others throats the minute Saddam's regime was toppled. Saddam ruled Iraq with an iron fist, and kept his boot on the neck of Shites. Of course there were no terrorists in Iraq under Saddam, he would have had his secret police round them up and kill them as they could have been a threat to his power. Saddam however was a supporter of terrorism as he paid the families of Palestinian suicide bombers upwards of $25000 each. The US "leaving" Iraq caused the power vacuum creating ISIS. Had President Obama had the gumption to complete the SOFA agreement that was nearly complete at the end of Bush's administration Iraq would have been far more stable than it became. Instead the Obama administration completely cut Iraq off. In no way am I saying the invasion of Iraq was right; nor the way in which the war was prosecuted was right; nor how it was handled after Saddam's regime was toppled was right.
@@whawhaa Not our problem. It is not my problem that the people of another country hate each other and try to kill each other. It is not my problem that people in another counrty aren't interested in their own collective self interest. It is not my problem that they want our resources to solve their own problems that they won't fix by themselves. It is not my problem that they aren't interested in the well being of their own children. It is not America's problem that they refuse to act to make their own lives better, and frankly, all the resources in the world can't fix what they themselves won't fix.
no it was not US and Europeans makes billion selling Libya oil now. Gathafi was going to start selling Africa resources for gold and he already had half of the African country aboard. this would make Africa the richest country because you would have to buy with Gold. the Western banks tells Africa how how much their money worth and they say 80 to 1 so they could keep taking advantage of poor countries.
Joseph Lauren You might as well thank every president other than Jimmy Carter for continuing the wars. Trump wants to go to war with Iran. So the circle continues.
To use his dam analogy: the person putting their finger in the dam to buy time is also the same person that is supposed to come up with a plan to fix the dam entirely. The government puts it finger in the leak and says "I have stopped the leak, praise me" but when asked why they don't leave the dam alone or come up with a more long term plan to fix it they say "But I have the leak stopped, this is good enough. If I leave it could create a worse leak than before."
@@akiraguy Negative ghostrider. North and South Korea only agreed to talks with eachother to bring the conflict to an end. There was never a peace treaty signed.
I don't really agree with the guy but he seems like a good guy. Still, using his logic, we'd have to occupy virtually every country on the planet for 40-50 years to beat ISIS. Yeah, I prefer the border security and mass withdrawing troops method instead.
Probably just someone who sees the 6 trillion dollar price tag for these ridiculous wars based on lies by special interest groups. And someone how understands the founding fathers were prefectly clear on this issue. Foriegn entanglements are forbidden. Gee I wonder what that wasted 6 trillion dollars could have done for America's crumbling infrastructure?
OK so Iran, syria, Jordan, Saudi, Yemen, etc etc etc etc. Iraq and Afghanistan cost 6 trillion, meanwhile america is bankrupt, with crumbling infrastucture and a homeless epidemic. What your budget then another 20 trillion with no measureable progress like with Iraq(in fact things got much worse)? So like are you the type that keeps pumping every penny you have into an old falling down house that only get more and more dilapidated? Grow up. Cut your damn losses and get on with a sane National foriegn policy.
Ideologies fail on their own. They are not destroyed from the outside... Well short of complete genocide they aren't. This guy has thou gha t a bit on these mattets but it seems to me he has not realized some fatal flaws in his premise. You have pointed out perhaps the most significant such flaw.
As he said, we are expecting the military to destroy the ideology, instead of the practioners of that ideology; which it is VERY good at. Its the expectations that are the problem, not the military.
@@kurtwicklund8901 No need to be sorry. That was my point. Example: The nazis were destroyed by western militaries in ww2. But the ideology is still believed in today by a few. Your original comment is correct. If we have destroyed the enemys physical ability to harm us but ARE NOT willing to commit a genocide, we have to accept that weve done what we can militarily.
Thanks for the follow up I AM KURGAN. Yes you point out a perfect example. If Nazism is still around how cam military action be expacted to eradicate religeous extremism?
We are if that was the plan, which it was. The goal of these wars in the middle east isnt victory, its destabilization of the region to secure Israeli and Saudi hegemony in the middle east. Thats why they want to go to war with Iraq even though we cant win, we dont care about winning we just want to wreck the country. Thats why we went from Lebenon to Afganistan to Iraq to Lybia to Syria to Yemen and now Iran. Look up the Clean Break papers and the Odid Yinon plan, this has been planned out for the past 30 years. Or its just a weird coincidence that we just happen to have all these problems with these middle eastern countries that just happen to surround Saudi Arabia and Israel idk
We were effective at killing bad guys, we failed miserably at building a nation. Nobody has ever successfully been a nation builder. The past hegemonic empires always either killed everyone or took slaves. You can't just kill 10% of a population and leave, but do to modern morality you can't kill them all either.
I love how all the comments make out like there is some evil cabal of mustache twisting villains waging war just to make you all suffer. That's the way the unwashed masses intellectually distance themselves from any responsibility for war and it's effects. Calling war simply "organized thievery" is accurate, but we all benefit from that theft. It's not a coincidence that Western civilisation has crawled it's way up to the top of the 6000+ year old civilisational corpse pile by being the most imperialistic bastards in the world (Greece > Rome, France > Germany > Britain > Russia > Spain > Portugal > Netherlands etc etc, what do these places have in common? Hint: rabid pacifism is not the answer)
HailHonkler Exactly and then they act like Iran is evil when Iran is trying to do what the European powers and a America did, they want to climb their way to the top also.
SV IOREK I agree! The people in our society with an innate warrior mentality deserve to fight, but for a cause that is truly valiant. If you look at the facts in the middle east, this is, in too many cases, far from the case. I used to want to join the US military above all because I could never shake this voice in my head to fight, but unless things change I dont think I can. Ive been researching UN peacekeeping recently as an alternative.
@@sirmungus7113 Because you'd be supporting a corrupt supranational institution who takes its orders from China, a country bent on world subordination. Also because they'll wind up having you fight America in the next war, which is NOT where you'll wanna be.
“We went into Afghanistan and we were incredibly effective...we went in there and cut the head off, and it spawned two more heads.” Haha. I don’t think this guy realizes what effective means.
Afghanistan was a safe haven for terrorists. No longer. The people there now are just cave dwellers who want to kill Americans. The main goal was to kill Osama hence why all these nobody's are trying to take his place and keep the fight going.
@@wolf_3691 Veteran here. You are misinformed. Special Inspector General reported that Afghan police are incapable of keeping hold of their territory, and that they have made no progress in pressuring the Taliban. Further, "only 55.5 percent of the total 407 districts were under government control or influence - the lowest level since SIGAR began tracking district control in 2015." The war on terror is an abysmal failure. The Taliban have been starting to win in Afghanistan, we brought terrorists into Iraq and created ISIS, Pentagon-funded terrorists were fighting against CIA-funded terrorists in Syria, and we're still in bed with the goddamn Saudis who literally export the extremist interpretation of Islam, Wahhabism, that all these enemies adhere to, and in the meantime, all these terrorist groups we provide funding and weapons to go ahead and give those to our explicit enemies. General Patreus even fucking suggested that we fund the Syrian branch of *Al Qaeda* "Moderate rebels" is code for "terrorists that are on our side _for now_ ." If you want to effectively attack terrorism, you need to fucking start by *not* funding it. It might also help if we don't radicalize people (cut off terrorism's supply line) by _not_ bombing hospitals and even weddings! We've set the middle east on fire, and created multiple failed states... perfect breeding grounds for more terrorists to feed the military industrial complex.
@@zanderness yeah its ment to be sarcastic response to the idea that oil makes people evil. But the reality is wars are fought for a myriad of different reasons including resources. It annoys me when burkenstock wearing liberals say "its all about oil maaaan" yick. Its so much more complicated shut up you unorigal blue tie wearing shill.
@@w12ath040211 You're an idiot man, all you have to do is follow the money in this situation to find out how full of shit you are. Nice try with your dumb straw man technique but facts always seem to blow the straw away huh?
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. Major General Smedley Butler, USMC Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient Author of, War is a Racket!
now that everyone finally knows that, you think we could stop, but the game never stops! everyone plays the game and choose the level of there own involvement, I believe defense is 100% justified, I also think 9/11 was not a good enough reason to go on a 15 year killing spree in Iraq, we are still in Iraq and when I die we will still be there!
Robert Hood not only them i read something we're the CIA and the FBI backed militias started fighting each other and us bombs are being used by Saudi Arabia to bomb schools hospitals etc one was s school for the blind... Us weapons
@@cliffordototivo Lockheed martin is the biggest aircraft manufacturer in the world and they constantly lobbied to get more more funding every year. i think after the NRA, Lockheed lobby the most for more cash
@Young Entrepreneur you hit the nail on the head. My job involves this type thing...we sell out dated tech and tech that we control and can shut off like a faucet.
Fact: Defense of freedom, democracy, and life itself, is better accomplished with nonviolent power. Only undemocratic domination over others requires violence and war. worldbeyondwar.org/necessary/ Nothing predates greed. You can watch a video of one tribe destroying another tribe and taking their resources. We’re still evolving as a group
@@wyattrussell7496 Colonies: "Nah man. We are going to be by ourselves now. No war needed. We can best do this by non-violent means" England: "The fuck you say, slut?" Your assumption is baseless and your "source" reads like a three year wrote it. It is grammatically terrible. It is overflowing with large generalizations and cherry picked "studies" to support their hypothesis. The problem is the author didn't start their research with the intention to disprove their hypothesis. That is the complete opposite of the *scientific method* and how to reduce confirmation bias. I suspect the author's intention was to confirm their bias in the first place. Which automatically disqualifies the entire hypothesis from being taken seriously. It reminds me of flat Earthers. When presented with mounds of objective evidence to the contrary, they still believe the Earth is flat. It is mental illness to the highest degree.
@host_runner There's no reason why you shouldn't know about governments and history. There are literally millions of books covering those topics. Read one. Don't rely solely on talking heads because they frequently get it wrong. (No offense to either yourself or this program.)
@@ishajac3637 your comment is totally and pointlessly irrelevant and has no substance. What makes you think I don't read books? What makes you think saying ridiculously obvious things that a 10 year old can say adds any value to the comments section? Are you 10?
@@ishajac3637 just reading how you frame your sentences :D "Individual opinion, not educational information, there is a difference", no shit, bye bye 10 year old. Either that or you are doing gender studies at University of Neverheardia
@@bartholen Your US democrats are in on it just as much as the other side. Dems receive just as much if not more money from the military industries. And show no signs of any willingness to call out the military industrial complex. That dual party system is one of the obviously false political systems I've seen. If you try to only accused one side, you must be an idiot.
“If we want to control that area” is such a telling phrase here. “War should be a measure of last resort”, but yet we haven’t tried any other method to “destroy that ideology” aside from war.
All guys like this understand is war. They really shouldn't be listened to about much else. It's like asking your local plumber to build a rocket to the moon. Your average plumber lacks the context necessary to even start.
Andy. You are a VERY wise young man. It's no wonder that you are a seal. Thank you so much for your service to our country. Keep up the great work Joe. God bless America.
This Vet is right on. The US is great at cutting the head off a snake, but have never learnt what to do next, and keep repeating that failing over and over. You will never defeat an ideology with force unless you have something better to replace it with.
In the end he got there: "I don't know if what I did had a positive effect long term". I think the only way to create long lasting peace and stop "global" terrorism is to stop exploiting economically weak countries and to have strong trade, political and cultural ties with all nations. A full stomach seldom has an appetite for war. Also: friends usually don't go to war with one another. The current way of "fixing" terrorism is clearly not working.
What you don't understand is that not everyone is interested in peaceful coexistence. There are those who want nothing else but to do harm and dominate, and cannot be reasoned with. Also, we are not at war with any nation. We are at war with rogue and violent individuals who want to reshape the earth.
@@heisvi9317 Would you rather live on a planet ruled by savage bears? Honest question. Because say bears were the dominant species on the planet. Take a place like China, who would have 1.5 billions of bears roaming around the land. Would you live there?
@@heisvi9317 My bad. That reply was meant for another comment thread. Yes we try to maintain some sort of order, but what is the alternative? Back when there was a laissez-faire attitude we had 2 world wars. Now we take a proactive step in insuring peace across the world. Let me ask you this: Those insurgents, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram etc etc, what do you think their goals are? Like, why do they wake up every morning to kidnap young girls and young boys, prostitute them, kill unarmed civilians and take control of towns etc. Why is it, in your opinion, that they do those things?
Dude, oil and land are valuable and those people are slaughtering one another. You cant argue that they dont need help just that it shouldnt be our buisness whichmmyoure right. Bur about that oillllll and land, near oillll.
The problem is that the people and governments of those countries dont want or can't handle democracy. My high school history teacher always said, "Some people aren't ready for freedom..."
lol this guy talking about fighting evil when the U. S' biggest ally is Saudia Arabia.... a Salafist, wahhabi, sunni, theocratic dictatorship which is almost indistinguishable from ISIS in terms of idealogy. They have also been caught funding sunni extremist groups numerous times, the same exact groups this guy calls 'evil'. The U.S. is not interested in fighting evil, all it cares about is continuing its global dominance and is willing to do anything to keep it. Yes wars are always going to exist as long as they are Insanely profitable.
Can we say “infrastructure”. WW2 ended in 1945. 75 years later (2020), USA still has bases in each of three Axis Countries (former enemies: Japan, Germany, Italy)
If Machiavelli is right, so is he. They are arguing the same thing when attempting to conquer a foreign state. You either crush them or set up a permanent outpost in that territory. Rule by decree from afar has not worked historically. Now that isn’t to say we should do it. It’s just what works.
As hard as it is to believe, the world has never been as peaceful as it is today. On a long enough timeline it's conceivable that war will become too costly and inconvenient, or waged by other means (i.e. robots, cyberspace).
Unfortunately war will always exist...violence is present in humanity as much as peace exists...accept it like the setting and rising of the sun...don’t waste time trying to find a solution..find comfort in the embrace of its existence.
I know. The funny thing our greatest advances is through us trying to kill each other! Humanity is the colour grey...a complete juxtaposition. Capable of great good as well as great evil
@The Liberal Capitalist embracing the comfort of violence will free those who are enslaved or under a dictatorship.... maybe you should think a little deeper before spout off an emotionally charged insult to someone who is obviously more evolved than yourself
7:30 The first half of Full Metal Jacket is actually about as close as you'll get to the real thing. I think Bissonnette said it best that SEALs have to be more independent thinking, from the bottom up, while Marines, for example, have to be more unit oriented. From the top down. It's not that Marines don't debate their own ideologies or philosophies, it's just that there's a greater need for adherence to orders.
The goal isnt terrorists. Its to keep key resources out of the hands of china and russia. We just cant out right say that, so we use the "terrorist" excuse to essentially fight a war against russia and china. China is moving into afganistan now that we left and will probably make them communist now. It has always been about that. Creating more terrorists isnt really of national concern. They are just pawns for china, russia, and US.
What this guy isn't telling you is that when the military sees a hole in a dam, they don't try to plug it. They shoot at the dam with machine guns. They blow it up. Political and engineering problems solved with guns and tanks are going to fail and will inevitably create more holes in the dam. Feels cool to be a tough guy and get your macho empathy on while watching this kind of rhetoric, but don't let it distract you from the fact that the USA spends $49B per year on the State Department (where we try to make friends) and $700B on the War Department; I mean Defense Department. The ways you spend your money shows your priorities and the US's are plain and simple: dominate and claim resources and power so the capitalist elite can make more money. The Godfather pt 2 should be required viewing for anyone wanting to take part in any conversation of US influence on the world stage, especially since the Monroe Doctrine. To claim the US military could plug a hole in a dam (millions of people in their own country wanting to overthrow corrupt governments) with a bunch of devices designed to destroy dams is truly laughable and historically moronic.
What he says at the end, about how he never knew if his efforts had any positive impact beyond the moment, was exactly how I felt about it when I watched The Hurt Locker. What a waste for those men to be over there. They could have a much better impact on the world living their lives and raising their families in their homes.
Yea, giving him the benefit of the doubt, the US is extremely effective at conventional warfare. What we aren't good at is solving the political problems the day after. War is politics by other means, thus at some point you have to stop shooting people and start governing. Guys like Stumpf don't understand what the day after the war even means. They think the fight is the point.
In the Middle East the strategy is enacting the project for greater Israel. Only if you understand that, then everything that has been done to Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon will make sense and you will then realise it's all going to plan
I mean this as the highest praise, the subjects you touch are not necessarily those who mainly intrest me, but you are such a thoughtful and empathetic host, and the way you conduct your interviews and the way you treat your guests, I find myself watching hours and hours of your show.
5:52 Joe asking if the world will ever be a peaceful place where everybody gets along, and the guy starts laughing his ass off what a fucking legend😂😂😂😂😂
Everything’s relative, many women for instance are much better off during American occupation of Afghanistan, but this agitates traditionalists as well His point was you can knock a “bad” infrastructure down quickly but the rebuilding process requires a commitment that the US military, government and populace do not want to make.
Pretty sure the Korean War didn't end decades ago. My understanding is that although military action ceased in the 1950s, there was never a truce agreed upon and thus the war officially never ended. It was just a decades-long ceasefire.
Good point, routine maintenence, etc... But aviation mechanics like my job have liability. We fuck up, plane crashes and it's our error... Alot of manslaughter charges but I do see your point. Military industrial complex and one who profits
02:59. The Korean war was never ended with a peace treaty being signed by both belligerents... So, technically, it's ongoing... Armed conflict has but the war is political now.
I feel like the conversation everyone avoids, and rightfully so, is that the only turn key solution to war would be to conquer entire countries to occupy power vacuums. Even just controlling a country and ensuring new leadership to lead them in a positive direction. I know, by doing this we’d be affection cultures and communities, and often we’d possibly make more of a negative impact than otherwise. Without drastic solutions like that, however, we’re going to be running the cycle on repeat forever.
It's going to be hard to destroy these ideologies when you level villages of innocent civilians in airstrikes. I think any normal human would be out for revenge after their people are treated the way a lot of the middle eastern countries are by the US
Eamon Kelly how are they not terrorising Washington? If I was Iraqi I would probably be dead seeking revenge. Clearly better people than the their attackers.
Our military presence in Germany, Italy, S. Korea, Guam etc. are purely strategic. A means to quickly deploy assets out. Its the same reason the Navy patrols in the open waters of the Pacific, S. Atlantic, and Indian Ocean. Russia has had a very hard time advancing or trying to take back former Soviet territories with US presence in EU. The same for China w/Vietnam and Taiwan. Not that we have to worry about Argentina or Turkey but there is a reason why Cyprus and the Falkland Islands are still heavily in use for the British (and U.S.) military. Strategic location. That's a means of "plugging the sprout". The idea that the military is not good at building infrastructure and holding terrain comes from a Marine skill set point of view. With everything, they're in and out. That skill set was never meant or designed to fill that role. This is where the Army and Air force come to build infrastructure bases and air strips for logistics. There is a reason why most bases OCONUS are Army or Air Force. Whether the Army and Air Force are doing it effectively and efficiently....entirely different matter, but its absolutely been effective in EU and the Pacific. What I believe this comes down to is the difference of ideologies. The Japanese and Germany ultimately shared a similar ideology to the U.S., but these Islamic states are different animal entirely, and unfortunately the Islamic states "preach peace" butt heads every step of the way and accept zero compromise. Its their way or a fight.
"When you've retaken your capital city and victory is at hand, gas your own civilians to draw in more powerful armies to defeat you." -Sun Tzu Anyone with an ounce of curiosity would have known those gas attacks were phony within minutes of thinking about it.
Foreign citizens appreciate US military intervention in their borders as much as Americans would accept thousands of Russian soldiers conduction operations in the US for decades. Even if these Russians claimed they were here.to help the US solve its problems.
i like how he put that we got be there for long periods of time to hold the grounds to be ready at any point til well til you never know in this messed up world.
The Korean war hasn't ended.... we just reached an armistice, that's a HUGE difference. NK can invade without warning, and they wont really violate the "rules of war"
Not necessarily but like he said you need to build infrastructure, a political coup de ta can be a transition at best and a blood bath at worst very recently a emirate prince put it pretty well but pretty controversially and its that as of right now the middle east as a whole cannot work on western style democracy as of right now it is incompatible regardless what is done. If the middle east was to be remade you would need a repeat of what happened to japan in order to create a radical change like what the west wants.
@@littleratblue Not if the police aren't checked by a superimposing government with actual law and order. Currently there is no world government to impose meaningful law and order globally, nor a world-wide tax to fund such an operation (and neither should there be imo)
rogan's questions about the entire planet living peacefully are REALLY childish....and seems to show a complete lack of understanding of human history....there's Always wars, there's Always BAD people....and people keep idiotically talking about ending "war", but there's always plenty of governments that are Killing their own people without any "war" whatsoever....
Mr. Rogn thank you for a deep conversation about human social development. As a pastor of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, these issues with humanity are the constant topics of sermons. Will we ever grow up to not be at each others neck (to paraphrase your question) is the human quest for righteousness. Andy gave an excellent answer to that, and so perhaps the greatest quest we have is how do we mitigate human conflict to bearable levels? Thanks for your show.
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Founding fathers : avoid unnecessary foreign wars.
Establishment: more war more profits yo
all of our fathers didn't pull out so who cares
Its was actually George Washington that said that but whatever
@halo289 - Well said.
halo289 That is a myth
Hes absolutely correct. In my view , the religious fundamentalism at play in those countries paired with the destroyed infrastructure and hopelessness of the children is a fertile breeding ground for the recruitment of future American hating terrorists. The only way to stop that would be total occupation of those countries in numbers we dont have to commit to it. Really the only option is to leave and make sure they are contained.
Pulling out is never a bad idea.
Is better to go straight thru
The 69 likes though 😂
Yeah but if you don't pull out in time you could have a mistake on your hand that's going to last for the rest of your life. And then the only way to fix the mistake is to love the mistake even though you didn't want it in the first place. And even if you try to leave, the country can take you to court and force you to pay for the mistake for the rest of your life. Which is messed up because you didn't even really like the other country to begin with. You just wanted to have some fun and the other country was cool at first, but now they're hostile and like, "Take care of this mess you made otherwise I'm going to make you suffer." And at first you're like yeah whatever. But then you start to getting paranoid like, "Even though I could beat the crap out of the other country, I can't because then the rest of the countries in the world are going to come after me. And besides that, this little country can't kill me but they can definitely blow up a couple of my towers. That's what happened to that last country I was messing with like 20 years and I'm still paying for that." So then you're just like alright I'll just stay here a little bit longer and then I'll leave. But then the country kinda becomes dependent on your presence there. Like if you go they may have meltdown and start messing up other countries and then all the rest of the countries in the world is gonna blame you for that too. So then you're thinking, "Why did I even get in bed with this country in the first place?" And then you remember, you were being prideful and emotional and thought you could fix that country and go back to your old life. But nah. So now you're stuck with this crazy country and this little mistake that you didn't want in the first place. And then you find out that autism, diabetes, and general retardation run in this country's family. So now this little mistake has a gang of genetic and mental disorders that you gotta foot the bill for. Meanwhile your ol lady back at home is like, "Why are you messing that country? I thought you were done with her. This is why I don't like when you make executive decisions. I should've never elected you in the first place." So now you're paying for two countries and both and them hate you and no longer want them around. And at first you want to get mad at them, but then you realize. Nah, this was all your fault to begin with. You brought this on yourself. If you were at home taking care of your own country instead of looking out there to see what's going on in the world trying to be cool, you would've never had this problem to begin with.
...but yeah other than that we should definitely pull out of Syria.
Given the unwanted pregnancy rates in the USA I assume that the “Pulling out is never a bad idea” comment comes from either an INCEL or an incredibly lucky American man who I highly likely (statistically) to change his mind very fast in the future!! 😜⏰⁉️
Jo Po that means two things.
"Avoid foreign entanglements." ~ George Washington
"This 'no foreign entanglements'' thing isn't working out. We need a Navy." ~pres. George Washington (approximate quote)
"We need dem boats fer mah
hoes."
- Benjamin Jefferson
“Esketit” ~Iil pump
@@t-townchampreviews1442 This man historys.
That quote was before foreign trade , that ideal isn't possible after the first ounce of flour was sold outside this great country :and you can't put the genie back in the bottle.
Absolute respect for the honesty.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" -Winston Churchill WW2 but written by peot george Santayana 1905
I think Churchill was speaking about drinking booze.
john c Perhaps
Churchill was a murdering psychopath made of pure evil. May he rot and hell and the souls of the German people haunt him from heaven
"Galipoli"
@@cnote3598 such a shallow, ignorant outlook to have on any historical figure
Easier to image the end of the world than the end of war.
“Only the dead have seen the end of war.” - Plato
That was the name of an excellent documentary by Michael Ware about the Iraq war.
"Even the dead have not seen the end of war" Belli finem etiam inferi non viderunt
Yeah. Because for war to end everyone would have to be at a point where they all agree on. The same thing for everything....
"War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner."
Sadly the quote is human nature at it's worst. Pretty sure that quote is from George Santayana circ.1922 though. Sorry, not trying to hijack the comment, just figured I'd throw that out there if anyone wants to do their own research.
I did multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan and even though the middle east has always been crazy, invading Iraq caused today's situations in Syria and the creation of Isis. As bad as Saddam was, there were no Islamic terrorists in Iraq. Saddam hated terrorists. The Sunni and Shia were living together peacefully. You wouldn't believe how many Iraqis told us life was much better under Saddam. Also Afghanistan would be in a much more favorable situation had we not diverted all our energy and equipment to Iraq.
The Sunni and Shia were living together peacefully...huh...I guess that is why they went at each others throats the minute Saddam's regime was toppled. Saddam ruled Iraq with an iron fist, and kept his boot on the neck of Shites.
Of course there were no terrorists in Iraq under Saddam, he would have had his secret police round them up and kill them as they could have been a threat to his power. Saddam however was a supporter of terrorism as he paid the families of Palestinian suicide bombers upwards of $25000 each.
The US "leaving" Iraq caused the power vacuum creating ISIS. Had President Obama had the gumption to complete the SOFA agreement that was nearly complete at the end of Bush's administration Iraq would have been far more stable than it became. Instead the Obama administration completely cut Iraq off.
In no way am I saying the invasion of Iraq was right; nor the way in which the war was prosecuted was right; nor how it was handled after Saddam's regime was toppled was right.
26michaeluk THANK YOU! We gotta just Leave these folks the f*ck alone and stop arming terrorists.
@@whawhaa Not our problem.
It is not my problem that the people of another country hate each other and try to kill each other.
It is not my problem that people in another counrty aren't interested in their own collective self interest.
It is not my problem that they want our resources to solve their own problems that they won't fix by themselves.
It is not my problem that they aren't interested in the well being of their own children.
It is not America's problem that they refuse to act to make their own lives better, and frankly, all the resources in the world can't fix what they themselves won't fix.
No one in history has ever won a conflict in Afghanistan.
The OP is right. Sometimes dictators are what is best for a country. You cannot force a way of government on people and expect it to change overnight.
Intervention in Libya was a terrible idea
James Vennes so was Iraq, so is Syria, and so will be Iran. We don’t decide who and when we goto war. Our ally lsraeI does.
no it was not US and Europeans makes billion selling Libya oil now.
Gathafi was going to start selling Africa resources for gold and he already had half of the African country aboard. this would make Africa the richest country because you would have to buy with Gold.
the Western banks tells Africa how how much their money worth and they say 80 to 1 so they could keep taking advantage of poor countries.
Idea?. You did it , bitch.
Joseph Lauren You might as well thank every president other than Jimmy Carter for continuing the wars. Trump wants to go to war with Iran. So the circle continues.
Hillary's idea...
To use his dam analogy: the person putting their finger in the dam to buy time is also the same person that is supposed to come up with a plan to fix the dam entirely. The government puts it finger in the leak and says "I have stopped the leak, praise me" but when asked why they don't leave the dam alone or come up with a more long term plan to fix it they say "But I have the leak stopped, this is good enough. If I leave it could create a worse leak than before."
Technically speaking, the Korean war never ended.
Jokes on you south and north Korea signed a peace treaty last year.
@@akiraguy Negative ghostrider. North and South Korea only agreed to talks with eachother to bring the conflict to an end. There was never a peace treaty signed.
Yeah it’s just been a 60 year cease fire
@@akiraguy yeah...i lived there for years...your little treaty means nothing to the korean people...wagging the dog, son.
Yeah they signed a treaty like last year when they met with trump😂
I don't really agree with the guy but he seems like a good guy. Still, using his logic, we'd have to occupy virtually every country on the planet for 40-50 years to beat ISIS. Yeah, I prefer the border security and mass withdrawing troops method instead.
@LeJon Brames I can utterly assure you that I am not even remotely a Trump lover.
Probably just someone who sees the 6 trillion dollar price tag for these ridiculous wars based on lies by special interest groups. And someone how understands the founding fathers were prefectly clear on this issue. Foriegn entanglements are forbidden. Gee I wonder what that wasted 6 trillion dollars could have done for America's crumbling infrastructure?
You don't destroy ideologies. Certainly not with force. You'd only strengthen it
Every single country? No
Those troublesome sandy countries that just can't stop pumping out extremists.
OK so Iran, syria, Jordan, Saudi, Yemen, etc etc etc etc.
Iraq and Afghanistan cost 6 trillion, meanwhile america is bankrupt, with crumbling infrastucture and a homeless epidemic. What your budget then another 20 trillion with no measureable progress like with Iraq(in fact things got much worse)? So like are you the type that keeps pumping every penny you have into an old falling down house that only get more and more dilapidated? Grow up. Cut your damn losses and get on with a sane National foriegn policy.
"destroy that ideology"
We have such a great track record on this.
Ideologies fail on their own. They are not destroyed from the outside... Well short of complete genocide they aren't. This guy has thou gha t a bit on these mattets but it seems to me he has not realized some fatal flaws in his premise. You have pointed out perhaps the most significant such flaw.
As he said, we are expecting the military to destroy the ideology, instead of the practioners of that ideology; which it is VERY good at. Its the expectations that are the problem, not the military.
I'm sorry if I implied that the military was not doing its job. It's been assigned to the wrong job is the is the issue.
@@kurtwicklund8901 No need to be sorry. That was my point. Example: The nazis were destroyed by western militaries in ww2. But the ideology is still believed in today by a few.
Your original comment is correct. If we have destroyed the enemys physical ability to harm us but
ARE NOT willing to commit a genocide, we have to accept that weve done what we can militarily.
Thanks for the follow up I AM KURGAN. Yes you point out a perfect example. If Nazism is still around how cam military action be expacted to eradicate religeous extremism?
You're not effective if the snake spawns two more heads.
We are if that was the plan, which it was. The goal of these wars in the middle east isnt victory, its destabilization of the region to secure Israeli and Saudi hegemony in the middle east. Thats why they want to go to war with Iraq even though we cant win, we dont care about winning we just want to wreck the country. Thats why we went from Lebenon to Afganistan to Iraq to Lybia to Syria to Yemen and now Iran.
Look up the Clean Break papers and the Odid Yinon plan, this has been planned out for the past 30 years.
Or its just a weird coincidence that we just happen to have all these problems with these middle eastern countries that just happen to surround Saudi Arabia and Israel idk
Thank you!!!!
We were effective at killing bad guys, we failed miserably at building a nation. Nobody has ever successfully been a nation builder. The past hegemonic empires always either killed everyone or took slaves. You can't just kill 10% of a population and leave, but do to modern morality you can't kill them all either.
@@Satimy , who the bad guys are is subjective.
@@LJRoss-zv8hw Right, the bad guys think the good guys are the bad guys.. so you are also the bad guy.
General population definition on war: Fight for survival
Real definition on war: a Foreign Policy Tool for Geo Political Agendas.
War is politics by other means
or more simply, organized thievery.
Legal genocide for political gain
I love how all the comments make out like there is some evil cabal of mustache twisting villains waging war just to make you all suffer. That's the way the unwashed masses intellectually distance themselves from any responsibility for war and it's effects.
Calling war simply "organized thievery" is accurate, but we all benefit from that theft. It's not a coincidence that Western civilisation has crawled it's way up to the top of the 6000+ year old civilisational corpse pile by being the most imperialistic bastards in the world (Greece > Rome, France > Germany > Britain > Russia > Spain > Portugal > Netherlands etc etc, what do these places have in common? Hint: rabid pacifism is not the answer)
HailHonkler Exactly and then they act like Iran is evil when Iran is trying to do what the European powers and a America did, they want to climb their way to the top also.
You don’t ask the hammer on wether or not to hit a nail.
SV IOREK I agree! The people in our society with an innate warrior mentality deserve to fight, but for a cause that is truly valiant. If you look at the facts in the middle east, this is, in too many cases, far from the case. I used to want to join the US military above all because I could never shake this voice in my head to fight, but unless things change I dont think I can. Ive been researching UN peacekeeping recently as an alternative.
That's a really good point, but this is a really, REALLY high quality nail...
@@sirmungus7113 Do NOT, by ANY MEANS, become affiliated with the UN.
@@alternativeavenues7664 y?
@@sirmungus7113 Because you'd be supporting a corrupt supranational institution who takes its orders from China, a country bent on world subordination.
Also because they'll wind up having you fight America in the next war, which is NOT where you'll wanna be.
Intervention in Venezuela won't be any different, from our past interventions. This time it's gonna be closer to home.
The US is falling dramatically in Venezuela and it will be worse if they try to invite
“We went into Afghanistan and we were incredibly effective...we went in there and cut the head off, and it spawned two more heads.”
Haha. I don’t think this guy realizes what effective means.
Afghanistan was a safe haven for terrorists. No longer. The people there now are just cave dwellers who want to kill Americans. The main goal was to kill Osama hence why all these nobody's are trying to take his place and keep the fight going.
@@wolf_3691
Veteran here. You are misinformed. Special Inspector General reported that Afghan police are incapable of keeping hold of their territory, and that they have made no progress in pressuring the Taliban. Further, "only 55.5 percent of the total 407 districts were under government control or influence - the lowest level since SIGAR began tracking district control in 2015."
The war on terror is an abysmal failure. The Taliban have been starting to win in Afghanistan, we brought terrorists into Iraq and created ISIS, Pentagon-funded terrorists were fighting against CIA-funded terrorists in Syria, and we're still in bed with the goddamn Saudis who literally export the extremist interpretation of Islam, Wahhabism, that all these enemies adhere to, and in the meantime, all these terrorist groups we provide funding and weapons to go ahead and give those to our explicit enemies.
General Patreus even fucking suggested that we fund the Syrian branch of *Al Qaeda*
"Moderate rebels" is code for "terrorists that are on our side _for now_ ."
If you want to effectively attack terrorism, you need to fucking start by *not* funding it. It might also help if we don't radicalize people (cut off terrorism's supply line) by _not_ bombing hospitals and even weddings!
We've set the middle east on fire, and created multiple failed states... perfect breeding grounds for more terrorists to feed the military industrial complex.
@@wolf_3691
You seem extremely ignorant on this issue
If you wanted to make things worse. He is correct.
@@zedek_ how many tours did you do?
Evil only grows where there is lots of good ol sweet black gold.
Because evil has only existed after oil was a commodity.
@@w12ath040211 no. Stupidest thing ive read.
@@zanderness yeah its ment to be sarcastic response to the idea that oil makes people evil. But the reality is wars are fought for a myriad of different reasons including resources. It annoys me when burkenstock wearing liberals say "its all about oil maaaan" yick. Its so much more complicated shut up you unorigal blue tie wearing shill.
@@w12ath040211 You're an idiot man, all you have to do is follow the money in this situation to find out how full of shit you are. Nice try with your dumb straw man technique but facts always seem to blow the straw away huh?
It's about a natural gas pipeline from Qatar in Syria though.
That Black Rifle Coffee Company hat though
Jack Rice what’s the deal with that company
They employ veterans, its great company, where they have share dark jokes. Wish we had them in the UK
nemesisslr ok I finally found out
Mini Keanu Reeves Not trying to be that guy, but you could’ve looked it up.
@@leviyoung4066 love your name and profile pic
One of your best ever interviews. I’m glad he’s on our side. Very impressed.
War is a racket
I wouldn't go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.
Major General Smedley Butler, USMC
Two-Time Congressional Medal of Honor Recipient
Author of, War is a Racket!
Military Contractors, Arms Manufacturers, Mining Companies and Oil Companies are the ones that drive and profit from these wars!
now that everyone finally knows that, you think we could stop, but the game never stops!
everyone plays the game and choose the level of there own involvement, I believe defense is 100% justified, I also think 9/11 was not a good enough reason to go on a 15 year killing spree in Iraq, we are still in Iraq and when I die we will still be there!
@@dotfeatherheart9736 private contractors as well
*War basically is a business!*
What about his opinions on the us selling weapons to our enemies
You mean Saudi Arabia?
Robert Hood not only them i read something we're the CIA and the FBI backed militias started fighting each other and us bombs are being used by Saudi Arabia to bomb schools hospitals etc one was s school for the blind... Us weapons
u need to make enemis to maintain wars .
@@cliffordototivo Lockheed martin is the biggest aircraft manufacturer in the world and they constantly lobbied to get more more funding every year. i think after the NRA, Lockheed lobby the most for more cash
@Young Entrepreneur you hit the nail on the head. My job involves this type thing...we sell out dated tech and tech that we control and can shut off like a faucet.
“War is necessary” - Military Industrial Complex
Fact: Defense of freedom, democracy, and life itself, is better accomplished with nonviolent power. Only undemocratic domination over others requires violence and war.
worldbeyondwar.org/necessary/
Nothing predates greed. You can watch a video of one tribe destroying another tribe and taking their resources. We’re still evolving as a group
@@wyattrussell7496 Colonies: "Nah man. We are going to be by ourselves now. No war needed. We can best do this by non-violent means"
England: "The fuck you say, slut?"
Your assumption is baseless and your "source" reads like a three year wrote it. It is grammatically terrible. It is overflowing with large generalizations and cherry picked "studies" to support their hypothesis. The problem is the author didn't start their research with the intention to disprove their hypothesis. That is the complete opposite of the *scientific method* and how to reduce confirmation bias. I suspect the author's intention was to confirm their bias in the first place. Which automatically disqualifies the entire hypothesis from being taken seriously. It reminds me of flat Earthers. When presented with mounds of objective evidence to the contrary, they still believe the Earth is flat. It is mental illness to the highest degree.
" “War is necessary” - Military Industrial Complex " - Naive Pretentious kid
Are you defending death on Easter, Thanos?
Wyatt Russell you said FACT but then I saw no facts, I’m confused
Props to Joe Rogan for bringing this education to a whole nation by having such guests and bringing things to people which we won't know of
@host_runner There's no reason why you shouldn't know about governments and history. There are literally millions of books covering those topics. Read one.
Don't rely solely on talking heads because they frequently get it wrong.
(No offense to either yourself or this program.)
@@ishajac3637 your comment is totally and pointlessly irrelevant and has no substance. What makes you think I don't read books? What makes you think saying ridiculously obvious things that a 10 year old can say adds any value to the comments section? Are you 10?
@@ishajac3637 just reading how you frame your sentences :D "Individual opinion, not educational information, there is a difference", no shit, bye bye 10 year old. Either that or you are doing gender studies at University of Neverheardia
@@eminem2
Riiigghhtt ???
Hahaha!
they spelled Joe Rogan wrong in title
Just noticed that😄😄😄
Joe “Have you ever tried DMT” Rogn
...it's called Military Industrial Complex...War IS Business!!!!
And always, always perpetrated by mostly boomer-age republicans.
Convince China and Russia never make war. Now do that with zero leverage. Lunacy.
@@bartholen Dont see many Dems trying to stop the wars....how many years left in the war for Afganistan till you get a gold watch?
@@bartholen Your US democrats are in on it just as much as the other side. Dems receive just as much if not more money from the military industries. And show no signs of any willingness to call out the military industrial complex. That dual party system is one of the obviously false political systems I've seen. If you try to only accused one side, you must be an idiot.
“If we want to control that area” is such a telling phrase here. “War should be a measure of last resort”, but yet we haven’t tried any other method to “destroy that ideology” aside from war.
All guys like this understand is war. They really shouldn't be listened to about much else. It's like asking your local plumber to build a rocket to the moon. Your average plumber lacks the context necessary to even start.
Andy. You are a VERY wise young man. It's no wonder that you are a seal. Thank you so much for your service to our country. Keep up the great work Joe. God bless America.
This Vet is right on. The US is great at cutting the head off a snake, but have never learnt what to do next, and keep repeating that failing over and over. You will never defeat an ideology with force unless you have something better to replace it with.
In the end he got there: "I don't know if what I did had a positive effect long term".
I think the only way to create long lasting peace and stop "global" terrorism is to stop exploiting economically weak countries and to have strong trade, political and cultural ties with all nations.
A full stomach seldom has an appetite for war.
Also: friends usually don't go to war with one another.
The current way of "fixing" terrorism is clearly not working.
What you don't understand is that not everyone is interested in peaceful coexistence. There are those who want nothing else but to do harm and dominate, and cannot be reasoned with. Also, we are not at war with any nation. We are at war with rogue and violent individuals who want to reshape the earth.
@@PermanentHigh you are the rogue and violent individuals who want to reshape the earth. It's amazing you don't see the hypocrisy.
@@heisvi9317 Would you rather live on a planet ruled by savage bears? Honest question. Because say bears were the dominant species on the planet. Take a place like China, who would have 1.5 billions of bears roaming around the land. Would you live there?
@@PermanentHigh compared to living with snakes? Anyday.
@@heisvi9317 My bad. That reply was meant for another comment thread.
Yes we try to maintain some sort of order, but what is the alternative? Back when there was a laissez-faire attitude we had 2 world wars. Now we take a proactive step in insuring peace across the world. Let me ask you this: Those insurgents, Al Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram etc etc, what do you think their goals are? Like, why do they wake up every morning to kidnap young girls and young boys, prostitute them, kill unarmed civilians and take control of towns etc. Why is it, in your opinion, that they do those things?
If we haven't declared war on a country we have no business being there. GTFO now.
Syria doesnt matter to the US. Its russia and china we care about.
We left afganistan, now china is setting up bases there
@@pluto8404 The small nations will always be dominated by larger, powerful ones. The question is, what are the motives.
Dude, oil and land are valuable and those people are slaughtering one another. You cant argue that they dont need help just that it shouldnt be our buisness whichmmyoure right. Bur about that oillllll and land, near oillll.
China isn't putting in military bases....they are stripping the land of minerals...
Then first county they gonna raid will be usa not us asians lol
Reminds me of Charlie Wilson’s War: “These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the end game.”
The problem is that the people and governments of those countries dont want or can't handle democracy. My high school history teacher always said, "Some people aren't ready for freedom..."
You think they're there to spread anything remotely close to freedom?
lol this guy talking about fighting evil when the U. S' biggest ally is Saudia Arabia.... a Salafist, wahhabi, sunni, theocratic dictatorship which is almost indistinguishable from ISIS in terms of idealogy. They have also been caught funding sunni extremist groups numerous times, the same exact groups this guy calls 'evil'. The U.S. is not interested in fighting evil, all it cares about is continuing its global dominance and is willing to do anything to keep it. Yes wars are always going to exist as long as they are Insanely profitable.
The Military: Putting fingers in wet holes for freedom
Can we say “infrastructure”. WW2 ended in 1945. 75 years later (2020), USA still has bases in each of three Axis Countries (former enemies: Japan, Germany, Italy)
If Machiavelli is right, so is he. They are arguing the same thing when attempting to conquer a foreign state. You either crush them or set up a permanent outpost in that territory. Rule by decree from afar has not worked historically. Now that isn’t to say we should do it. It’s just what works.
As hard as it is to believe, the world has never been as peaceful as it is today. On a long enough timeline it's conceivable that war will become too costly and inconvenient, or waged by other means (i.e. robots, cyberspace).
Unfortunately war will always exist...violence is present in humanity as much as peace exists...accept it like the setting and rising of the sun...don’t waste time trying to find a solution..find comfort in the embrace of its existence.
I know. The funny thing our greatest advances is through us trying to kill each other! Humanity is the colour grey...a complete juxtaposition. Capable of great good as well as great evil
@The Liberal Capitalist embracing the comfort of violence will free those who are enslaved or under a dictatorship.... maybe you should think a little deeper before spout off an emotionally charged insult to someone who is obviously more evolved than yourself
Deep down he knows this isnt true but, i wouldnt say shit on camera that i know my bosses would see
Not an anti Semite but we do seem to be fighting most of these wars on behalf of Israel.
7:30 The first half of Full Metal Jacket is actually about as close as you'll get to the real thing. I think Bissonnette said it best that SEALs have to be more independent thinking, from the bottom up, while Marines, for example, have to be more unit oriented. From the top down. It's not that Marines don't debate their own ideologies or philosophies, it's just that there's a greater need for adherence to orders.
Thanks Andy for what you've done as a seal. My family thanks you.
We were very effective cutting off one head but it grew two more. So it essentially, wasn't effective then is what you're saying.
The goal isnt terrorists. Its to keep key resources out of the hands of china and russia. We just cant out right say that, so we use the "terrorist" excuse to essentially fight a war against russia and china.
China is moving into afganistan now that we left and will probably make them communist now. It has always been about that. Creating more terrorists isnt really of national concern. They are just pawns for china, russia, and US.
Joe "CIA" Rogan
What this guy isn't telling you is that when the military sees a hole in a dam, they don't try to plug it. They shoot at the dam with machine guns. They blow it up. Political and engineering problems solved with guns and tanks are going to fail and will inevitably create more holes in the dam. Feels cool to be a tough guy and get your macho empathy on while watching this kind of rhetoric, but don't let it distract you from the fact that the USA spends $49B per year on the State Department (where we try to make friends) and $700B on the War Department; I mean Defense Department. The ways you spend your money shows your priorities and the US's are plain and simple: dominate and claim resources and power so the capitalist elite can make more money. The Godfather pt 2 should be required viewing for anyone wanting to take part in any conversation of US influence on the world stage, especially since the Monroe Doctrine. To claim the US military could plug a hole in a dam (millions of people in their own country wanting to overthrow corrupt governments) with a bunch of devices designed to destroy dams is truly laughable and historically moronic.
His reaction to Joe talking about war sums it up perfectly... laughter. Never gonna happen.
What he says at the end, about how he never knew if his efforts had any positive impact beyond the moment, was exactly how I felt about it when I watched The Hurt Locker. What a waste for those men to be over there. They could have a much better impact on the world living their lives and raising their families in their homes.
"When we went into Afghanistan we were incredibly effective we cut off one head but it split the 2 more"...how TF is that effective!?
Brush up on your comprehension skills,cutting the head off of the main snake was effective UNTIL it grew 2 other ones,which was unpredictable.
Yea, giving him the benefit of the doubt, the US is extremely effective at conventional warfare. What we aren't good at is solving the political problems the day after. War is politics by other means, thus at some point you have to stop shooting people and start governing. Guys like Stumpf don't understand what the day after the war even means. They think the fight is the point.
In the Middle East the strategy is enacting the project for greater Israel. Only if you understand that, then everything that has been done to Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon will make sense and you will then realise it's all going to plan
I do know one thing. keep doing the same thing will not give you a different outcome
I do know one thing, that quote doesnt apply to very general statements of "go to war" it applies to very specific measured actions
I mean this as the highest praise, the subjects you touch are not necessarily those who mainly intrest me, but you are such a thoughtful and empathetic host, and the way you conduct your interviews and the way you treat your guests, I find myself watching hours and hours of your show.
5:52 Joe asking if the world will ever be a peaceful place where everybody gets along, and the guy starts laughing his ass off what a fucking legend😂😂😂😂😂
Such a smart guy. Any military and any country would be happy to have him. My respect.
“War is a matter too serious to be let it the hands of soldiers” -G. Clémenceau
It never was,to began with.
"Politics is a matter too serious to be left in the hands of Politicians" -C. de Gaulle
Navy Seal: We're good at Killing but we aren't good at doing any good at all.
That's not what I heard at all.
What I heard was, "we good at killing, not conquering."
He literally said, the army is good at war, not building and holding Infrastructure. Is that too hard for people to understand?
topcow23 So basically what the OP said?
Everything’s relative, many women for instance are much better off during American occupation of Afghanistan, but this agitates traditionalists as well
His point was you can knock a “bad” infrastructure down quickly but the rebuilding process requires a commitment that the US military, government and populace do not want to make.
Pretty sure the Korean War didn't end decades ago. My understanding is that although military action ceased in the 1950s, there was never a truce agreed upon and thus the war officially never ended. It was just a decades-long ceasefire.
godisbollocks there’s still like 50 guys with guns on each side of the border in rotating shifts who sit there all day
Asking navy seal about withdrawing from Syria is like asking an airplane mechanic how to invest and develop an airline..
Good point, routine maintenence, etc... But aviation mechanics like my job have liability. We fuck up, plane crashes and it's our error... Alot of manslaughter charges but I do see your point. Military industrial complex and one who profits
02:59. The Korean war was never ended with a peace treaty being signed by both belligerents... So, technically, it's ongoing... Armed conflict has but the war is political now.
Joe should talk to people like David Petreus, who knows about long-term strategy
Why? It's not like Petreus is going to tell the truth.
But battlefield needs a ww3 game 🤔
CarlFazu wow
@GYPSY KING FURY You are no better.
I feel like the conversation everyone avoids, and rightfully so, is that the only turn key solution to war would be to conquer entire countries to occupy power vacuums. Even just controlling a country and ensuring new leadership to lead them in a positive direction. I know, by doing this we’d be affection cultures and communities, and often we’d possibly make more of a negative impact than otherwise. Without drastic solutions like that, however, we’re going to be running the cycle on repeat forever.
Anyone else notice that “Rogan” is spelled wrong in the title?
It's going to be hard to destroy these ideologies when you level villages of innocent civilians in airstrikes. I think any normal human would be out for revenge after their people are treated the way a lot of the middle eastern countries are by the US
Eamon Kelly how are they not terrorising Washington? If I was Iraqi I would probably be dead seeking revenge. Clearly better people than the their attackers.
5:00 jogan searching for his fantasy utopia
It's just delusional.
Our military presence in Germany, Italy, S. Korea, Guam etc. are purely strategic. A means to quickly deploy assets out. Its the same reason the Navy patrols in the open waters of the Pacific, S. Atlantic, and Indian Ocean.
Russia has had a very hard time advancing or trying to take back former Soviet territories with US presence in EU. The same for China w/Vietnam and Taiwan.
Not that we have to worry about Argentina or Turkey but there is a reason why Cyprus and the Falkland Islands are still heavily in use for the British (and U.S.) military. Strategic location. That's a means of "plugging the sprout".
The idea that the military is not good at building infrastructure and holding terrain comes from a Marine skill set point of view. With everything, they're in and out. That skill set was never meant or designed to fill that role. This is where the Army and Air force come to build infrastructure bases and air strips for logistics. There is a reason why most bases OCONUS are Army or Air Force. Whether the Army and Air Force are doing it effectively and efficiently....entirely different matter, but its absolutely been effective in EU and the Pacific. What I believe this comes down to is the difference of ideologies. The Japanese and Germany ultimately shared a similar ideology to the U.S., but these Islamic states are different animal entirely, and unfortunately the Islamic states "preach peace" butt heads every step of the way and accept zero compromise. Its their way or a fight.
Josh K clwiks the USA is defnding Vietnam agsinst China. Rich.
This is a prime example of diversity being a strength- it only works when the team has a shared goal
The last part got me choked the fuck up. I think a lot of veterans are asking themselves that. And a lot of them know the answer and it leads to ptsd.
"When you've retaken your capital city and victory is at hand, gas your own civilians to draw in more powerful armies to defeat you."
-Sun Tzu
Anyone with an ounce of curiosity would have known those gas attacks were phony within minutes of thinking about it.
Where were all these antiwar conservatives when we invaded Iraq?
at the remains of the twin towers
Rand paul?
Nowhere, they just use it as talking points against establishment Democrats
Just to be clear, I'm not talking about Andy Stumpf, I'm not even sure he's conservative
The learning and growing of isis and their tactics. Are caused by the presence of us forces
2 years later listening to him say we need to have a base in Afghanistan 🇦🇫 just like South Korea 🇰🇷 imagine if we listened to this dude was spot on
No long term strategy
There’s no such thing as killing an idea. It’s not a snake, it’s hydra. It just grows another head and gets stronger.
It's sad how uninformed even a seal is.. now imagine what a regular soldier believes is going on..
If they knew the truth they would stay home.
Have you been there?
So you know more than a Navy Seal that gets their information directly from the highest level of our govt.? Stfu.
Yeah, he's obviously uninformed about the Korean war hasn't ended, that makes your point valid!
@@CringeComedyTV "Navy Seal that gets their information directly from the highest level of our govt" that's not how intel or opsec works, bro.
Syria only happened because of Qatar turkey pipeline
false , its happen cause USA and here invasion in 2003, Daesh rised from american prisons in irak in 2006 .
Long term solution: Asteroid
a very intellectual and well thought out speaker
A very programmed and obedient killer! Isn't this part of the region they wanted to destabilize to control their resources?
Anyone that's ever experienced real combat up close and personal will ALWAYS answer that War should NEVER be declared unless as a LAST resort.
Better question would be "What US is doing in Syria?".
Joe “This is way past my pay-grade” Rogan
measure of last resort. god bless you sir
"There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare." ~ Sun Tzu: The Art of War, 2.6: Waging War
YOu are right, this ain't about the country
Dont think id trust that quote from someone who wasnt even born this side of the advent of christ
Foreign citizens appreciate US military intervention in their borders as much as Americans would accept thousands of Russian soldiers conduction operations in the US for decades. Even if these Russians claimed they were here.to help the US solve its problems.
i dont think the President of the United States of America would mind
Yes you should be!!..shouldn’t be there in the first place!
Infrastructure is not our responsibility. I wish it was, I would love a new USA. The Middle East would be better under new management lest be real
He sounds like joe roegan
i like how he put that we got be there for long periods of time to hold the grounds to be ready at any point til well til you never know in this messed up world.
The Korean war hasn't ended.... we just reached an armistice, that's a HUGE difference. NK can invade without warning, and they wont really violate the "rules of war"
War is good economics for governments and politicians. Greed is always the driving force.
Should never have been there in the first place. Fighting over politics and control
oil**
3:01
''If we really wana control that area we have to be prepared to stay there for that long''
.. again .. the MURICAN policeman mentality.
Not necessarily but like he said you need to build infrastructure, a political coup de ta can be a transition at best and a blood bath at worst very recently a emirate prince put it pretty well but pretty controversially and its that as of right now the middle east as a whole cannot work on western style democracy as of right now it is incompatible regardless what is done. If the middle east was to be remade you would need a repeat of what happened to japan in order to create a radical change like what the west wants.
I feel like the world would be worse without police, but we're entitled to our views.
@@littleratblue Not if the police aren't checked by a superimposing government with actual law and order. Currently there is no world government to impose meaningful law and order globally, nor a world-wide tax to fund such an operation (and neither should there be imo)
Andy Stumpf is a treasure.
The seal guy is just a good soldier, the questions he's being asked are for generals, not soldiers.
rogan's questions about the entire planet living peacefully are REALLY childish....and seems to show a complete lack of understanding of human history....there's Always wars, there's Always BAD people....and people keep idiotically talking about ending "war", but there's always plenty of governments that are Killing their own people without any "war" whatsoever....
There are x and y people that's A silly argument ....there are people who have oil and those that don't Is probably more fitting
Tf u mean USA has more oil than Syria...
Joe "Joe Rogn" Rogan
Mr. Rogn thank you for a deep conversation about human social development. As a pastor of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, these issues with humanity are the constant topics of sermons. Will we ever grow up to not be at each others neck (to paraphrase your question) is the human quest for righteousness. Andy gave an excellent answer to that, and so perhaps the greatest quest we have is how do we mitigate human conflict to bearable levels? Thanks for your show.
Only way we’ll all come together as one. When aliens come down.
Keyword: "Invasion"
@Descartes' Apparition No. by that logic america deserves to be invaded for nuking the shit out of hiroshima and nagasaki.
Thank you Joe, Thank you Andy
Let the leaders go and Duke it out
The Centurions would probably buy the beer