Dave Lee Down Under I'm sorry to say but I like both. Why? Because they both have flaws too but people who are so fickle are blind to see that, they think it's one and the other is awesome, I don't them in that way. That's me, I'm fan of super heroes, not I think one Is awesome and the other is dumb, no I like both.
Isn't Hulk owned by Universal? Marvel can't make his solo movies from what I understand. Also, you didn't cover Marvel 's success with Blade, which pre-dates X-men's success, and seems to be an important part of MCU's history
It's like Squaresoft producing "Final Fantasy" in 1987 and adding "Final" to the title because they did think that would be their last game ever (the company was very close to bankrupcy). And now in 2019 Final Fantasy has 15 main installments, Kingdom Hearts, it assimilated Enix (well, that was back then, when they got too ambitious with the Spirits Within movie),etc.
@Bradyn Kerr I wouldn't say ant man is a cultural icon, but if you switch him for a character less well known before the mcu like black panther, this is totally true
@@deadplthebadass21 No he wasn't, Iron Man had a cartoon in the 90s in the actual first ever on-screen shared universe with Fantastic Four, Spider-Man and X-Men cartoons, as well as appearing in the very popular Marvel vs Capcom games.
So a dying comic book company has managed to create one of the best and most successful movie franchises of all time, inspired multiple generations of people, brought all of us together and positively impacted worldwide culture forever. Damn. That brings a tear to my eye.
Even if you don’t like the MCU, you can’t deny it’s the most successful franchise ever made, Its made 20 movies and they’re still going strong, audiences and critics keep loving them and coming back and they keep earning more and more money
jayyTeęe s ya MCU is awesome, obviously not perfect but it’s a great time to be a super hero fan with the MCU, DCEU and X-men series all with super fun and awesome movies!
well couldve fooled me.. cuz when i saw JL its like superman with the colleage... if superman aint living they will die... whats the point gathering superheroes then? in avengers, everybody help each other.. even thor and hulk who supposed to be avenger strongest still need to work with each other avengers to win.. no one pulling a solo stunt
And Flash too. Groot alone with the only 2 words he speaks, has much more heart and personality and depth and emotional range and reach with audiences than the whole Jutice League together
The big thing that makes the MCU so well done, to me, is the focus on character. Character, character, character, character. Even the elements of the films that are mostly there as smart business decisions meant to get butts in seats are folded into the character driven storytelling.
Is that why Thor The Dark World was more interested in putting focus on Loki instead of the main hero? Or is that why Captain America was completely sidelined in the first Avengers movie? And in Infinity War as well.
@@antona.1327 Cap wasn't remotely sidelined in the first Avengers film. As for Infinity War, with a cast that big choices needed to be made about who would get more focus than the rest, and the story being told called for Thanos to be the main focus, with Tony, Thor, and Gamora as secondaries. Everyone else is tertiary, including Cap. That's just how it is. As for Dark World...the less said about that the better.
Can't believe Iron man used to be a B-list hero. Can anyone who grew up with the original comic books explain this to me, I'd actually really like to know.
Ever since Marvel comics were publishing 'superhero' comics, their two best selling comics were Spider-Man and The X-Man. Avengers was Marvel's 4th highest selling comic, but they were pretty much Marvel's B-Team beside the X-Men. Avengers sold well, and to those who were big on Marvel comics, they were highly regarded characters. However, to those outside, The Avengers, including Iron Man and Captain America were relatively unknown. It's the work of the folk at Marvel Studios who have made these under-appreciated characters what they are now, in the sense of their place in popular culture.
In the 1960's Iron Man was marginally popular, but Spidey, the Fantastic Four, and the Hulk were the top sellers. Thor and Silver Surfer also had cult followings in the late 60's and into the early 70's, thanks to trippy stories and art. Then in the mid to late 1970's, the X-Men changed directions and became hugely popular. The Avengers were always changing members, with Cap being the only constant...usually. Iron Man was boring, until they did the "Demon in a Bottle" story line. That was the mid 1980's and it was the first time anyone cared about Iron Man as a character. He was not more popular than Hank Pym or Hawkeye before that. Now, all three are popular thanks to the MCU.
@arrow 9001 Iron Man, was popular when first released in the 60's, and had varying degrees of popularity over the years. Many argued, his solo comics suffered from poor writing during the down periods FWIW. However/Either way, he (and tangentially his father) were always written as central/integral parts of Marvel Comics and it's interweaving story line and characters. So, it's only fitting the character kicked off the MCU in it's current form. So no: Iron Man wasn't a great cross over success to outsiders as Spiderman, Batman or Superman. Nah. However, he was always essential and well known to Marvel Comics, and it's central various story lines. Thus, his character was straight from Central Casting. I think it (the reception) may just come down to the writing? Note/Interesting fact: The original Avengers were: Iron Man, Ant-Man, Wasp, Thor, and Hulk. CA was actually found and defrosted in the 4th Avengers comic. Hope that helps?
@arrow 9001 Iron Man, was popular when first released in the 60's, and had varying degrees of popularity over the years. Many argued, his solo comics suffered from poor writing during the down periods FWIW. However/Either way, he (and tangentially his father) we're always written as central/integral parts of Marvel Comics and it's interweaving story line and characters. So, it's only fitting the character kicked off the MCU in it's current form. So no: Iron Man wasn't a great cross over success to outsiders as Spiderman, Batman or Superman. Nah. However, he was always essential and well known to Marvel Comics, and it's central various story lines. Thus, his character was straight from Central Casting. I think it (the reception) may just come down to the writing? Note/Interesting fact: The original Avengers were: Iron Man, Ant-Man, Wasp, Thor, and Hulk. CA was actually found and defrosted in the 4th Avengers comic. Hope that helps?
MSL525: Iron Man was never written as a central part of the Marvel Universe until Marvel started making movies. They chose him to start with because they felt it would be a more relatable character than some other heroes and easy to do well with modern CGI. As a result, they increased his importance in the comics. Go back to the 1980's and for a large chunk it wasn't even Tony in the armor. There was no Illuminati back then. Reed Richards was the go-to science guy. Iron Man was just the gadget guy. In fact, he was so unimportant that he didn't even get his own solo book until 1968, long after Tales of Suspense (the book he premiered in) became a Captain America book.
The reason why Marvel is so successful are people like me. Not a comic book fan. Thought that comic book movies were time-fillers at best. Eventually stumbled over a few MCU movies, with no context whatsoever what they were even about. Actually wasn't all that enamoured with Ironman. Somehow saw Captain America at one point. Became interested. Saw The Winter Soldier and became a die-hard "watch even every TV show out there" fan. The MCU as a whole is just unique. I enjoy how the movies are influencing each other and to see characters develop over a long period of time. There are TV shows out there which don't have character development of this quality.
I joined only after infinity war cause I heard so much about it and didn’t read a single comic before that and fell in love and watched everything else
As some UA-camr noted, one reason why Marvel is so impressive is because they built the hype and fame by themselves for 10 years. The reason why The Force Awakens was such a big deal is because of what Lucas ended in the 80s. The rest behind Marvel's success is more of what everybody says, it's a connected franchise that takes it's time to build their characters, you always get the feeling that you are watching the same universe, the utterly diverse stories and tones also add uniqueness on each character and their films. Kevin Feige is another factor that makes the MCU perfectly functional.
One more 'superpower' of the makers of the MCU is their casting excellence. They know how to find the *_right_* actors to fit the roles. Robert Downey Jr. for Iron Man, Chris Evans for Captain America, and Josh Brolin for the voice & motion capture of Thanos. You can like or dislike any or all the MCU flicks, but I cannot recall the last time I heard something like, "__________ was *_TERRIBLE_* in their role as __________! What was Kevin Feige thinking???" With Captain Marvel, we shall see if Marvel still has their magic touch.
True, but the DC has been good with their casting as well. The only choices that weren’t good were Jessie Eisenberg and Jared Leto. And both of those could have been good, but failed due to lack of good direction.
Jessie Eisenberg was a really good casting choice for THAT VERSION of Lex Luthor, the problem was that like so many other things about that movie, "this aint your daddy's Lex Luthor."
Nicholas Hylton I think script writers are more of a contributing factor. If josh brolin or Chris evans were given bad scripts, they would’ve been bad characters. Likewise if henry Cavill or ben Affleck were given good scripts, they could’ve easily been better characters
@Pharzel I'm glad you like that ridiculously op Quicksilver. Whichs makes writing harder around that character. Plus whats his motivation? He just there. How is that a better character. He has a better personality but that's pretty much it. Besides that he's op and has no character motivations for what's for he's doing.
You sir have perfectly explained why this franchise works so incredibly well, why others who have tried fail miserably and why these characters and this universe mean so much to not just comic book fans but to all kinds of movie goers in general. Fantastic analysis Dave. Seriously could not agree more. Hats off to you man.
@@mayotango1317 thank you xx and don't get me started on what they have done to Drax, Ultron, Civil War and Thor Ragnorock when you compare them to the orignial comic.
They earned the trust of the fans by now, some things cant be adapted perfectly so they made some changes. The core avengers team for example, Missing hank pym.
Right. Marvel keeps its characters loyal to who they are in the comics, and show them why comic fans love them. DC on the other hand, doesn't have enough faith in their characters' characterizations, and therefore will change them up in order to attempt "fitting them into today's expectations." It's one of the reasons why Superman still hasn't gotten exact proper representation.
Why? That's easy, Stan "The Man" Lee, he created characters that were human first, with all the problems that go along with just being that, and heroes second. And as pointed out in the video, patience, Marvel obviously had a long term plan and stuck to it beautifully.
STH Why do people have to put down dc so much they put hero first as well Batman doesn’t even have superpowers and Superman is one of the most human character despite being Kryptonian I don’t know why people can’t like both marvel and dc?
@@hasthehighground8560 I agree. I think people tend to conflate DC with WB. I don't much care for the DCEU movies, but that's not DC or the character's fault. That lies with WB and the people they allow to bring it to life. I never read comics. But i love the Marvel movies. I can't connect or fall in love with the DCEU characters. I like great characters and great dialogue. Marvel nails it. DC just needs to find it's footing by finding what works on screen.
Please don't forget that Marvel Studios's planning was not without struggle/dispute. Introducing Thanos in the end of Marvel's The Avengers (2012) was Joss Whedon's idea, and man, it took quite an effort to convince Marvel Studios that it is a good idea.
@@stephenmarco2927 both him and Zack Snyder have urged WB to delay the release date to reshoot and rewrite the film properly, in which WB refused to do so.
Ethan Jones I’d say it is. He does say “achievement” and the facts show that MARVEL created the most profitable, consistent, and arguably the most well known franchise ever
Feel sorry for people like you. You are the reason why movies are terrible nowadays. You encourage these studios that making dumb schlock for children is good business. MCU is trash. And don't call me a DCEU fanboy, pussy. I've been reading Marvel comics since I was a kid and Iron Man is my favorite superhero of all time and I own about 350+ comics with him.
Yeah,because everyone knows Scarface,Pulp Fiction,Reservoir Dogs,Fight Club,American History X,Rambo First Blood,Die Hard,The Shining and 2001 can't hold a candle to the Marvel Cinematic Universe...Its not like Pulp Fiction is funnier,better directed and has much more heart than the entire MCU...sure
Sam, I'll give you plenty of reasons. 1. It's formulaic. 2. It's overexposed. 3. It doesn't respect its source material and tries to change it just for the sake of changing it. And, Sam, you don’t have to shit your bed in anger because I don’t respond to you. One, it’s stupid to get mad at me. Two, you may be talking to me, expecting an answer, without even realizing that I may not have seen your reply because I’m either not checking my notifications or simply asleep.
I was fanboy of DC once. When ironman movie came out my interest was began growing on Marvel then Hulk (it was bit weird) then Captain. Shit i loved it ,Thor wasn't great but i love it. Then the Avengers and i totally forgot about DC because i was watching way too many Marvel movies. I didn't cared about Man of Steel and BvS, watched WW and it was fine but then Justice League came. I was so hyped and i watched. Heart broken by its rushed shitty plot i had totally left DCEU as a fanboy and watched Avengers IW. Bitch it was BEST, BETTER THAN FUCKING JL. Fuck DCEU its dead from the start.
I'm both a Marvel Fanboy and DC fanboy the dceu has let me down with their shity movies Man of Steel Batman versus Superman Suicide Squad and Justice League are the worst movies Wonder Woman and Aquaman are the best movies
The biggest dumbass that causes the fall of DCEU is WB itself. They keep changing the story and narration of the movie simply because they don't like what a man they hire wrote. Or sometimes fired them mid-production just because they won't change the story they are paid to make...
What I find interesting about this is how DC have balls it up. MCU had 5 movies and 4 years before the first Avengers movies, and in that lot was The Hulk, first CA, first Thor and IM2 - none which people generally rate as their best outings, yet all played their part. But what it showed is with just a bit of planning (and these were relatively isolated movies) and not much time (5 years isn’t that long when you consider how long they need to start planning production), it was all there on a platter for DC. It’s just mind blowing how they have gone about it
Well, there was 3 years between MOS and BvS, so they could've done it EASILY!! I just don't understand how they screwed it so easily. Follow up MOS with a Batman movie and a Wonder Woman movie and they're still on pace to deliver BvS at the exact same time. Baffling.
so true! and a batman and wonder woman solo movie, would give them much greater returns than the first CA / Thor / Hulk movies! (assuming they were somewhat decent movies) they would have be leaps and bounds ahead of Marvel. sad thing is - i dont like talking about it as Marvel V DC - there is plenty of room for both - i just hate that we dont have a decent DC universe with arguably stronger, richer characters than marvel started with
It is pretty amazing that Marvel got better as they went. You are right that most of those Phase 1 movies aren't Marvel's best. Only Iron Man 1 really holds up now. I wonder about DC having "arguably stronger, richer characters than marvel started with" DC has the big 3 of Supes, Bats, and WW. Plus GL and Flash are pretty good too. But it seems to fall off after that. Marvel isn't as top heavy. Spidey and now Iron Man are up there, but their depth seems better. By the time you get to Marvel's 6th best characters like maybe a Hulk or Capt America, DC is throwing Cyborg or Aquaman at you.
As a 2000s kid, my parents were more Star Trek, Star Gate, Star Wars, anything with "Star" in the name, than Marvel. Still, since Iron Man, our house has slowly become cluttered with posters, figures, and old drawings from grade school of our beloved characters. I've had the opportunity to grow up with Tony Stark and the crew, always anxiously waiting for the next news on our Avengers as the months ticked by. Maybe they've hacked my brain, but just the sight of our characters triggers warm fuzzy feelings in me- like a part of my own childhood and coming of age story will never die. Without realizing it, Marvel's story has been so heavily wrapped around my own life that I can't imagine what my life would be like without it. Even though I've long since come to the realization that superheroes aren't defending our universe from aliens and malicious villains, it all still feels so real to me. Over the past decade, I've seen so many characters grow and change like real people (because, in my mind, they kind of are) and have lived in their world through the big screen. Because of how much time Marvel has spent on crafting and developing this cinematic universe, we get the chance of seeing a not too far off alternate reality.
Another tragedy is that DC/WB wasted two classic comic book stories (Dark Knight Returns & Death of Superman) in one mediocre film. They are not going to be able to go back to that well for a looooooooooong time.
I don't know, look how Fox is trying the Phoenix saga again already, sure the 1st one was x-men 3 with the phoenix saga as a subplot + the up coming dark phoenix happens in a alternated timeline, but DC/WB could try again if they do flash point ….. maybe do couple of JL movies before Death of superman so it would actually have an impact for the other characters and audiences. They will re-do the story sooner than you think if they think there's money in it, don't underestimate the greed of the exec.
Benjamin L Oh, they can do it again next year if they feel like it. I meant doing it well and successfully like Infinity War. Lets face it, the first Phoenix Saga on the big screen was meh at best and who knows about this new one but based on the last X-Men movie, the most you can hope for is that it doesn't suck.
I agree with the others that DC could do them again. Fox proved that. Sony did the Spider-Man origin story twice already. ...Though maybe Sony proved the public tires of the same story done too soon. The problem with The Dark Knight Returns is that it's based on the silly idea of Batman and Superman fighting. There really is no way to make that work. It fails the logic test almost immediately. The only way to do it is to portray Superman as a complete moron. ....Which is what they did in BvS and is one of the reasons it was bad. So if they tried it again the same problem would happen again. Superman would again have to be an idiot because Batman walked into the room and has to win.
Yeah, Dark Knight Returns is supposed to be an ALTERNATE reality where Supes and Batman are the most extreme (negative) versions of themselves. It doesn't really work when you are trying to build a connected universe, regular batman and superman kind of thing
On the other hand, the issue with Death of Superman is that you would probably need to have 3-4 movies before for people to get attached to Superman and hence, give his demise a very strong emotional impact. If Robert Downey Jr. would have been playing Superman all this time, this would be about the right time to do something like that. However, good luck with a) WB/DC having that sort of patience and b) even if they do, not shitting the bed during such a long period of time.
Those who scoff or roll their eyes at the mention of the MCU... I get it. Superheroes aren't for everyone. But it's an achievement. Ten years of consistently good movies culminating in arguably the greatest and most ambitious action movie ever made, and all of this started with a B-list character, a director no one knew and a lead actor no one wanted to work with. This movie series was arguably a little repetitive at first, but films like Winter Soldier, Guardians 2, Ragnarok, Black Panther, and Infinity War not only exceeded all expectations, but made me hungry for more MCU films. This franchise continues to excite fans, and is bringing an end to the first chapter of the MCU. What will happen next? What new stories will be told? What new heroes will get standalone films and what old heroes will get sequels? Only time will tell, but one thing's for sure; Fans want more. You know who I envy? Kids growing up now. They can watch all the MCU films, front to back, and see this massive story unfold in a matter of hours while we had to wait a decade.
As you touched upon, the fact casual moviegoers can enjoy these movies is critical. I’m able to take my Mum who likes Spider-Man (since I grew up loving it) to Ant-Man and Iron Man films which she really enjoys. The comedy in Ant-Man in particular really works for getting those unknown with him into his shtick. She doesn’t love the big team up explosion fest films, but she doesn’t need to because when an Ant-Man or Homecoming comes out she can enjoy that and continue with normal media consumption.
That’s the same reason why DC characters are becoming hated toxic “normies” who only watch the movies act like that’s all that matters because that’s all they know and now fan favorite dc characters are seen as “inferior”.
Green Lantern fan here. I'm sure I would've known if there was a GL movie made. Only time anyone from the Corps. was on screen was the flashback in Justice League.
Perfect comparison of MCU vs DCEU A movie about fucking Ant-Man did better than a movie with Wonder Woman, Batman and Superman at the Box Office and is actually better. Another one? Sure. A movie with over 50 characters became the highest grossing movie of all time at the box office, in the meantime DC created their Justice League with household characters such as Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman and the Flash and it fell flat on its face
My first thought is that the success was mostly because of the studio name, but then I remember how well-put-together the movie was. It's not one of the films I'd watch over and over again like Avengers or Iron Man, but it's still really good.
@NAUNDURGROUND I didn't mean BvS. I meant it did better than a movie about super man (Man of Steel) and the batman part I probably just forgot they didn't make a standalone movie for him. Other than that my point still stands
@NAUNDURGROUND Well I didn't mean Infinity War was the highest grossing movie of all time. I was talking about Marvel and DC specifically. I would also like to say none of the mentioned movies had to juggle 50 characters and satisfy millions with how they do it. The movies you mentioned don't count as having 50 characters. In Avatar you don't count every random chucklefuck in a helicopter as a character. Only the ones given the time to have recognizeable characteristics. We know all the characters in Infinity War. We know them and they feel like real people in a real world. That's what makes them characters
The fact that Avengers: Infinity War can stand as a movie with no character introductions or background scenes and still beat Justice League at the box office the first week it's released really just shows the unprecedented feat Marvel Studios undertook. And now, 10+ years after bankruptcy, the MCU is one of the most successful if not the most successful franchises in history. You know you did something right when you release an action movie trailer that contains no action whatsoever and still break records for views (set by your own franchise). I mean they have millions of people waiting to see what will happen next in Avengers: Endgame. They deserve recognition where it's due.
Overrated=/=bad If you don't like something just because of other people that do that just makes you a hipster, tbh fam. Just let people enjoy something.
Aqua man was laughable. I was really looking forward to it but the acting of the black guy (idk his name) that lost his dad was terrible and during the most intense fight scenes it took away from the fights just to look at overdramatized looks from bystanders.
Wow... This is incredible I’ve been looking for a video like this to go into such detail and great storytelling about the MCU as a big Marvel fan and you explain it all perfectly. I really hope too that the MCU continues to have great success as it deserves it! The Rotten Tomatoes graphs and comparisons to other cinematic universes not working as well was awesome too!! For me the MCU is my Star Wars and is something that has grown with me growing up and has a big part in my life and inspirations. Thanks again for another fantastic video!! 👌🏼👍🏼
The reason the MCU is doing better is because Marvel Studios is a pretty much autonomous production company staffed completely by people with a passion for comics, funded by Disney. It really shows with what they did with a production budget of 200 million for Infinity War versus the 300 mil WB spent on Justice League. These are just megabudget fan films
There's the other thing... Even when a movie is less than stellar, that is to say good but not great and not as lucrative (like The Dark World and Iron Man 3... both of which I enjoyed btw), it still plays into building the world. The Dark World gives of the Aether aka The Reality Stone and Iron Man 3 gives us good insight into Tony's mind. Marvel DOES plan ahead, and they DO seed their next movies (the two post credit scenes hint at age of ultron and kinda a lead up to civil war or at least a possible future for bucky). The thing is, if you miss the clues, you can still enjoy the movie. But you also don't want to skip or miss the hints or the clues...but you also don't want to miss the world-building or the character development. I was skeptical about GotG, but I knew I needed to see it so I could understand when they finally were in a crossover or something like an infinity stone turned up. And it stays fairly mostly consistent in the universe.
Also Iron Man 3 is a prime example of character focus. Tony had a realistic reaction to the events of The Avengers, and had to deal with that throughout the film. That plays into what happens in Age of Ultron and his decisions in Civil War. It's an easily traced line a-b-c-d-e-f-g without skipping any points or beats. We get to see the guy "Who successfully privatized world peace" transform into the guy who would sign the Sokovia Accords.
This is why the DCEU needs a Reboot. If not, WB and DC will never compete with the MCU. WB, Zack Snyder, David S. Goyer and David Ayer did so much damage to the DCEU Brand that it's pretty much dead at this point. Even Wonder Woman wasn't able to save it.
I'm personally hoping they use the Flash for some sort of time travel reboot (I'm pretty sure they've explored alternate timelines with the TV Flash) In-universe they could just keep the current Flash because he's the one causing the timeline change (out-of-universe reason being that he seems to be well liked) and current Wonder Woman because she existed as this version prior to whatever point in time they make the change at (out-of-universe reason being she's the DCEU's greatest success right now) Change absolutely everything else. I'm not huge on time travel/alternate universe plots but this is the only way I can see to undo the damage Snyder, Whedon, and the WB have caused to this universe. It should be obvious you're in the wrong timeline when Ant-Man and the Wasp, a D-list sequel, makes only 35 million dollars less worldwide than Justice League, the DCEU's version of the Avengers.
@@carlosjavier771 it's because of studio interference. BvS was trimmed to be be sorter. Which is why the ultimate edition did so much better. And suicide squad was also interfered heavily. So it was mainly studio interference that did damage.
As far as results for these two unverses, this is what I see: With Marvel, if they have a bad movie, it is maybe medicre or below average at worst but more than likely is just bland or average, but NOTterrible or bad. And when Marvel DOES hit the mark, they do REALLY well, not the best, that goes to the Nolan-verse with the Dark Knight triology, but still, the MCU at its best is REALLY good. The DCEU at its worst is HORRIBLE. And so far, at its best, its only slightly above average at most, if not just ok. Marvel loses very little with each flop and gains so much with each win, whereas DC loses so much with each flop and gains not so much with its very few wins.
The DCEU is like if marvel made Iron Man 1, then skipped ahead and used Captain America: Civil War to set up its characters for The Avengers. Then went back and made The Incredible Hulk, Thor, Captain America: The first Avenger, and Iron Man 2.
@@alphareturns5988 Better question is what's the point OF NOT USING that batman trilogy they had just made not too long prior. It was their choice to start batman over from scratch. And the end result of that bad choice is pretty similar to what the OP described.
Interestingly, the MonsterVerse (Legendary's shared universe featuring Godzilla, King Kong, and Toho monsters) looks like it's on the right track for being successful. The MonsterVerse was built on the financial success of the Godzilla remake in 2014, which was a box office success and received warm reception. The follow up movie was Kong Skull Island, which didn't reference any of the other monsters or the idea of a larger universe except for one story driven reference and a post-credit scene that showed that all these monsters exist in the same universe. Legendary is also working for a specific goal, taking their time to build up to a Godzilla vs Kong event in 2020.
Evryone forgets the Kaijus. Even the original series and It's reboots, and reboots apart from the first films, and the cross overs (mostly labeled as Godzilla films since he was the star attraction.) Not as huge a success as the MCU but they made a lot of films. As for the new American made series. I'm glad they are learning from their mistakes getting rid of what didn't work and trying to make them more interesting. The monster designs are great and people wanted to see more of them, and it looks like that'll be the case. They just need to treat the monsters as the stars and find human stories that are foils for that.
The Monsterverse is damn good, and their respect for Godzilla and beefing up Kong were done with fine crafting. Enjoyable and impressive. "Let them fight."
@Lord Raiden hey godzilla has fought for years in different movies so I don't think it's going anywhere and toho sees how big 2014 was and will most likely give more rights to legendary.
The MCU builds characters, we feel connected to these people and when we watch these movies, we feel like were in it too. The time, effort, and people that worked on these films produced remarkable movies. Truly no other can top the mcu
Because Stan Lee's Awesome Cameos in the Films. It wouldn't be the same without his Cameos. Stan once said that His cameos are,the reason Marvel Films do So Fantastic
I was/still am a diehard Marvel fan boy but I loved the Burton Batman films and the first 2 Superman films and obviously I loved the first 2 X-Men and Spider-Man films, but I was so skeptical when in 2007 when Marvel announced the MCU. I was just so sure it was gonna fail and here we are 10 years later and my favorite films are MCU films. While every MCU film isn’t great even the weaker ones are somewhat decent, what this studio has done is groundbreaking and should be commended.
I can just imagine Kevin Feige and Stan Lee walking into a wells fargo together to get a $500 million loan with the rights to all of their remaining characters as the collateral. Loved the vid btw
BradLad56 well people tend to skip over blade because the film received mainly mixed reviews and was a moderate box office success in 98. In later years, it’s received more of a cult following
@Antonio Brroks Huh!? The first Blade was an excellent movie and made $131 mil US at the box office. The first XMen-two years later-did $157 million. So, I guess that was a "moderate" success as well (SMH)? Blade II in 2002, made $157 mil US. X2 (in 2003) did $214 million. So again, where's the big difference? You can sure say Blade showed them the way. Keep in mind: The fact the XMen movies had bigger budgets, with more well known characters than Blade, makes your comments (and Blades performance) even more incredulous. Even the hokey Blade 3 (Trinity) in 2004 made a decent $129 mil vs X3's $234 mil in 2006. So, yes a credible argument can be made that Blade jump-started the current Marvel-Comic movie Renaissance, indeed!
@@yoursonisold8743 I ment in the modern age. Turds like The Phantom and Batman and Robin had kinda given superhero films a bad rep because they were too cheesey and didn't have a very high level of production quality. I'm not saying Blade had a huge budget because quite clearly it didn't but it took the source material seriously and didn't make it too cheesey which it easily could have (see Buffy 92 for an example of that). I think Blade restored some of the faith in superhero films that had been lost by the aforementioned turds and others over the years. I'm not saying X-Men and Spider-Man wouldn't have happened without Blade but there's the possibility that superhero films wouldn't be as popular as they are now if the day walker hadn't hit the screen in 98.
@@BradLad56 You gotta specify such things, because believe it or not, most people here can't read minds lol The Schumacher films weren't even commercial failures despite being campy as hell. They also had high production value, with bad scripts and acting. Blade certainly was a breakout from all the trash, but Sony would have made those Spider-man movies regardless of Blade. They don't buy such a license to waste it hahaha
i'm just watching these "why does dceu suck? lol dceu is so stupid" videos but this is great - the history lesson (i had no idea that marvel risked everything on a 500m dollar bet) was worth it
i do know that. again: why DC makes so many good decisions when it comes to animation, and when its movies its the other way around. They already did it, its not impossible. Dark knight must be the1st, 2nd and 3rd best super hero movie all time.
What do Marvel fans call the main characters? Tony, Natasha, Steve, Bucky, and so on. Not Iron Man, not Black Widow, not the Winter Soldier, not even Captain America. We know the characters like we know or best friends, that's how good the MCU is
You know, I read a comment on a video like this where someone said that the marvel movies were basically just ordinary movies with marvel heroes in it. Captain America: Winter Soldier was a spy movie, Ant Man was a heist movie, Guardians of the Galaxy was a space opera, and so on.
My favorites are Avengers Endgame Thor Ragnarok Captain America Winter soldier\ Civil War Avengers Infinity War Iron Man Guardians of the Galaxy vol 1,2 And Ant Man and the wasp
The reasons why the Marvel Cinematic Universe is so successful is pretty much the same reasons why Walt Disney Animation Studios is the king of all feature animation. The only difference is that Disney Aanimation has been around since 1937.
My beloved Disney has fallen from grace. My bloodline helped make it what it was and now they have lost their way. Sure, their animated features are for the most part good but none will have the craftsmanship and timing of those early films. CG should be Pixar's thing but now Feature Animation is using it. The sad thing is it isn't consistent on their strength in stories, sometimes it is Pixar and sometimes it is Feature Animation that has the better film. But then we have Lucasfilm and the live action division, talk about a very troubled bunch. We have a shell of a franchise that is pretty aimless and films that have either no integrity, are mediocre, or serve no purpose other than to make money. Marvel is the most consistent storytelling juggernaut Disney has right now and it is telling.
Disney is not interested in making quality animated Marvel stories (a few Spiderman series, one Dr. Strange direct to DVD release, and perhaps the old 90's X-Men tv show, not withstanding.) Unlike DC which puts a tonne of effort into *crafting great stories,* sharp writing, quality animation, and perfect voice casting,. The Marvel animated universe exists *_only_* to sell toys. It feels as lifeless as the plastic action-figures it is designed to push. A good business model but at the expense of storytelling excellence.
Bullshit marvel is successful because just like there comic books they do crossover events that are epic u first started off in the 1970s reading Marvel's x men because of the first black superhero storm and professor x and magneto wolverine and the mutant outcasts that I could relate to .as I kept reading the x men they would crossover in an event with the fantastic four over some issue and then months later they would clash with the avengers when I knew nothing about in another serious crossover event .and then before I knew it wolverine and spider Man we're teaming up to to kick butt and then many other superhero characters and groups u would learn about and then become interseted in because of Marvel's crossover events .this was a huge thing for marvel comics vwck in the 80s and 90s crossover events and now they have applied it successfully to the big screen
Dude, The Mummy wasn't even their first attempt to start the Dark Universe. Remember Dracula Untold? A lot of people couldn't care less about that film.
I think one of the main reason of MCU success was same producer with Kevin Feige. Without him, we will see the MCU movie keep rebooting and story change like other franchise
I'm with you. I would've rather had a successful DC franchise than a Marvel one. But, the MCU is just better. 'Course, it helps that I already liked a lot of their comics characters.
I think it's as you've said, Marvel have shown patience and taken their time with proper character development and other attempted universes you've not been given enough time to care about what happens to the characters and it feels blatantly forced to make money DC in particular have wasted entire story lines & villans like Lex, Zod, Doomsday and the Batman Vs Superman and Death of Superman Storylines which deserved a better treatment No one is saying that they can't make creative changes as Marvel has done it a lot but it works because it builds on the source material and adds Marvels own spin, not let's cram as many stories or characters into one film and hope it works You hit the nail on the head by saying Marvel created two good stand alone films first hinting at more if it worked and continue to make good stand alone films first and the tie ins make sense, DC and others are the opposite Marvel I'd pay to watch in the cinema, DC I can wait for digital or Blue-ray/DVD and am not too fussed about seeing DC should take a page out of their animations or TV shows that actually work in building a universe as even those were across multiple animations or episodes so not all crammed into one
I like that I can relate to the characters’ experience while watching the MCU movies. Tony amputating Bucky. Thor getting ready to kick Loki’s ass right before Hela showing up. Yondu sacrificed himself to save Starlord. You get the point.
almost every movie in the mcu expands the universe in some way. look at antman, doctor strange, and black panther. I think and hope Aquaman will do this for the dceu. I loved man of steel and still have "it's not an 'S'" for the franchise.
Definitely! I really enjoyed MOS when I first saw it, but it never really held up, sadly. I hope the DCEU can pull itself out of the rut. Love Wonder Woman and Justice League showed signs of improvement... fingers crossed, I want to love this franchise too.
Dave Lee Down Under I wish justice League had been Snyder's singular vision. much like iron man standing on its own, Man of Steel stood on its wn quite well and I still get chills every time he flies to Zimmer's masterful score
yeah... you know that you make something wrong when you killed "heroically" to Superman in the end of a movie with Batman and Wonder Woman and people only surprised for that decision, not feel heartbreaking. And 2 years later people cry when see Yondu Udonta sacrifice himself heroically to save his adopted son, a secondary character of the Guardians franchise, which is a C or D-Line Characters of Marvel.
I’m here after a few months since Endgame came out, and you can really see how MARVEL’s hard work really paid off. Beating Avatar at highest grossing movie OF ALL TIME is no easy feat. Literally everyone was taking about Endgame at that time. Especially as a fan, it was really emotional how the original 6’s character arc go, and seeing Tony and Natasha die in that movie. And even people who are not super big fans of the mcu can agree that Endgame is one of the best movies to date.
Great video!!! I absolutely love the MCU and have been taking my nephews to see the movies with me since the start!! Some of them were toddlers when it started on some of them not even born when Ironman released! Now I’m about to have my own kid for the first time in April, and truly hope I’ll be watching Marvel movies with him for at least the next 15 years! I’ve already started buying the previous ones on Blu-ray and can’t wait till he’s old enough to get all caught up!! There’s never been anything like this in cinema and I’m just glad I’m here to be apart of it!!
Yeah I just gonna watch the dc animated series these are masterpieces and why I love dc while the dceu is a mess and disrespects these great characters
I remember when Guardians of the Galaxy came out. I was 7 at that time and had remembered watching Avengers in the cinema with my whole family when I was 5. I didn't remember the whole thing but it was just such a great movie that I remembered that epic final battle, when the camera panned a 360. None of my family knew who the Guardians of the Galaxy was and the MCU wasn't as great and enormous as it is now. So only me and my brother and father went to watch it, it was awesome. I laughed at every scene and loved every moment of it. It wasn't just a superhero movie, because Marvel couldn't rely on that, and instead had to rely on a GOOD movie. Less than 2 years later, MCU is the best franchise of the best time
i am absolutely obsessed with the MCU. and the thing is, i was too young to go to the cinema to see iron man when it came out, or even Avengers in 2012... but still i have watched every single MCU movie, and a fair share of their TV shows as well. I grew up with Batman - bc my mom loved him and i was entirely too young to watch those movies too (i swear the joker gave me nightmares for a month) - and i loved him. Batman is still my favorite DC hero. But the DCEU takes itself seriously in a way that the MCU never did. Hawkeye said it best "None of this makes sense." the marvel movies mostly just feel so much lighter and for me are so much more fun to watch... i still love the dark knight trilogy tho. its great.
Marvel deserves the praise it is getting at the moment. Infinity War is now my favorite superhero film of all time along with Watchmen. Going to watch it again tomorrow. I will have to disagree with you on the DCEU. Man Of Steel, Batman v Superman ultimate edition and Wonder Woman were awesome. Some of the best comic book movies ever made. Many fans loved those movies. Only Suicide Squad and Justice League were terrible. WB is the main problem. They are responsible for rushing things and ruining Suicide Squad and Justice League with reshoots. They should've just released Zack Snyder's cut of Justice League which fans are still asking for.
Definitely agree with you with WB being the main issue here. They don't know what they're doing and shouldn't be in charge of such a big franchise. The reason Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy worked so well was because Nolan wouldn't allow studio interference. I can't speak on the Ultimate Editions, as I've not gotten around to them -- Sadly, most who didn't like the movie won't go back to watch the 'better' version. The theatrical will always be the movie that people judge and compare to -- which is why the better version should always be released theatrically. WB really screwed the pooch.
Always been a Marvel a fan cuz they were the underdogs. DC has a lot just hasn't been looking the same quality. One thing from dis video is movie wise they've taken known & obscure characters n make it work. Once again I'm a Marvel fan so erybody n the movies ain't new to me.
I agree with you to a degree, had they gone for just Snyder as director for SS and JL, they would've at least ensured their MoS and BvS fans' enthusiasm (WW was doing well either way). But the suits didn't want Snyder numbers, they demanded *Marvel* numbers at any cost and ruined what audience trust they'd begun garnering.
I still think Batman vs superman would have worked much better if it DID use Christopher Nolan Batman, and had tried to work more with that instead of just saying "screw it" and rebooting batman.
If they would have kept to Bales Batman and even Routh's Superman into a bigger DCU franchise, it would have been as big as what Marvel is now, both were contracted to do a crossover movie anyways, shame we never got it.
The Marvel universe was successful, because of the effort they put into the characterisation and character arcs of these "B list" superheroes. They were blank canvasses because a lot of people just didn't know anything about them, so the movie makers could fill that gap meaningfully. And that's what people want to see, interesting adventures of appealing fictional individuals. That's why Star Wars is currently failing. Because they do zero to make the characters they use believable or likeable and the character arcs are all over the place.
There was a time that I thought every superhero movie is exactly the same. MCU kept surprising me and each time I thought, 'this can't get any better' only to be proven wrong. I literally grew to love these characters like they're my friends, especially Tony and Thor. Now I find it extrely hard to say goodbye. I knew him since I was just 13 and now he's gone :(
I love the MCU and their Heroes adventures, MCU forever and forever, 100 years, MCU's and things! MCU heroes running around and saving the day... MCU! All day long, forever... all- a hundred days! MCU forever a hundred times, Excelsior!
Once again Dave I'm in awe as to the work you put in to your channel and videos, like you say the build up is the key... and the pay off is worth the effort, well done sir.👍😀👍
Thanks so much, Alan! Greatly appreciated as always 😀😀 Very passionate about my channel and content, and the response I get is always the best bit -- keeps me motivated!
*I love that more people are becoming Marvellites.* It was always this way. DC had its comic universe first. Marvel were brash upstarts with their more character-based, relatable, and flawed characters... but they stole the crown for a reason. Now we've seen it's the same with movies. History repeats itself.
Thanks all for watching! Here's a list of references I used in creating this video essay for further reading!
*BIBLIOGRAPHY & REFERENCES*
*Marvel box office history*
www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Marvel-Cinematic-Universe#tab=summary
*Avengers: Infinity War - opening weekend & box office stats*
pro.boxoffice.com/weekend-actuals-report-avengers-infinity-war-marvel-disney-domestic-global-record-star-wars/
www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2018/04/30/avengers-infinity-war-the-box-office-records-it-broke-in-its-641m-debut/#31eac34f2ff1
www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=marvel0518.htm
comicbook.com/marvel/2018/05/01/avengers-infinity-war-opening-weekend-record-crushed-fate-of-furious/
*Biggest Worldwide Opening Box Office Stat*
(Worldwide) www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/worldwideopenings.htm
(Domestic) www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/
*MCU History*
www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2018/03/05/was-the-marvel-cinematic-universe-planned-before-the-first-iron-man-film/#20624be362e7
qz.com/1267000/iron-man-launched-the-marvel-cinematic-universe-because-he-had-the-best-toys/
money.cnn.com/2014/10/08/media/spiderman-rights-marvel-sony/index.html
screencrush.com/marvel-bankruptcy-billions/
www.denofgeek.com/movies/marvel/34092/how-marvel-went-from-bankruptcy-to-billions
*Superhero Box Office History*
(Domestic) www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=superhero.htm
(World Wide) www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/worldwide/all-movies/creative-types/super-hero
*Highest grossing franchises*
mentalfloss.com/article/70920/10-highest-grossing-movie-franchises-all-time
*Batman V Superman Box Office*
www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman2015.htm
*Justice League Box Office*
www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=dcfilm1117.htm
*Captain America: Civil War Box Office*
www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=marvel2016.htm
*Dark Universe*
www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2017/05/22/johnny-depp-javier-bardem-tom-cruise-universal-monster-dark-universe/102015064/
*James Bond box office history*
www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/James-Bond#tab=summary
Dave Lee Down Under I'm sorry to say but I like both. Why? Because they both have flaws too but people who are so fickle are blind to see that, they think it's one and the other is awesome, I don't them in that way. That's me, I'm fan of super heroes, not I think one Is awesome and the other is dumb, no I like both.
Isn't Hulk owned by Universal? Marvel can't make his solo movies from what I understand. Also, you didn't cover Marvel 's success with Blade, which pre-dates X-men's success, and seems to be an important part of MCU's history
Marvel is really reminding me of Bionicle right now.
Dave Lee Down Under p
Oh, the end is nigh, never fear. BlackPanther, and now the ultimate Mary Sue, Green Lantern Girl..... i mean Captain Marvel.
Imagine a time where no studio goes near RDJ, Iron Man is a B-Grade character and Marvel was nearly bankrupt. Completely bonkers
It's like Squaresoft producing "Final Fantasy" in 1987 and adding "Final" to the title because they did think that would be their last game ever (the company was very close to bankrupcy). And now in 2019 Final Fantasy has 15 main installments, Kingdom Hearts, it assimilated Enix (well, that was back then, when they got too ambitious with the Spirits Within movie),etc.
@Bradyn Kerr I wouldn't say ant man is a cultural icon, but if you switch him for a character less well known before the mcu like black panther, this is totally true
@@deadplthebadass21 No he wasn't, Iron Man had a cartoon in the 90s in the actual first ever on-screen shared universe with Fantastic Four, Spider-Man and X-Men cartoons, as well as appearing in the very popular Marvel vs Capcom games.
@The Zoom ummmm no
That's what happened to marvel. And they decided to make a cinematic universe.
So a dying comic book company has managed to create one of the best and most successful movie franchises of all time, inspired multiple generations of people, brought all of us together and positively impacted worldwide culture forever. Damn. That brings a tear to my eye.
and at this point if some old man say "it is not cinema" so just want to say "just leave them alone"
@@ibrahimkalmati9379 yeah lol
it gets you even more tears when you are the one who use to read all this storys as comics way before it was cool and look good on a screen, trust me
r.i.p stan lee :(
@@ibrahimkalmati9379 lol
Even if you don’t like the MCU, you can’t deny it’s the most successful franchise ever made, Its made 20 movies and they’re still going strong, audiences and critics keep loving them and coming back and they keep earning more and more money
jayyTeęe s mcu is good but it's definitely not the best franchise.
jayyTeęe s ya MCU is awesome, obviously not perfect but it’s a great time to be a super hero fan with the MCU, DCEU and X-men series all with super fun and awesome movies!
Zachhh I never said it was the best
Zachhh
He said most successful, not the best.
I mean in terms of financial success,it's never gonna be topped. But in terms of cultural impact,it's still nowhere near say,harry potter or star wars
DC: Everything revolves around superman,batman and wonderwoman
Marvel: Every hero gets to shine
hell yeah. hulk was heavily utilized in infinity war and the widow and hawkeye films are the shit.
Yeah sure Quicksilver and Hawkeye shined
@@weasel4669 just like cyborg and the flash
well couldve fooled me.. cuz when i saw JL its like superman with the colleage... if superman aint living they will die... whats the point gathering superheroes then?
in avengers, everybody help each other.. even thor and hulk who supposed to be avenger strongest still need to work with each other avengers to win.. no one pulling a solo stunt
@@weasel4669 hawkeye shined in endgame, everybody has a part, better than Superman and his cheerleaders
A talking tree and a raccoon had better character development than cyborg, flash, and aquaman
And Flash too. Groot alone with the only 2 words he speaks, has much more heart and personality and depth and emotional range and reach with audiences than the whole Jutice League together
Robert RoPe 3 words* but yea that’s true
@@gslink3775 oh, right☝️😄
Selim12B9 *4 words, you forgot "we"
you can even exclude groot. rocket alone has more layers than aquaman and cyborg. big props to bradley cooper and the writers
The big thing that makes the MCU so well done, to me, is the focus on character. Character, character, character, character. Even the elements of the films that are mostly there as smart business decisions meant to get butts in seats are folded into the character driven storytelling.
Agree!
This is what ALL films should learn from the MCU. Character is EVERYTHING. Narrative is an art and should not be skimped.
@@realar Yep
Is that why Thor The Dark World was more interested in putting focus on Loki instead of the main hero? Or is that why Captain America was completely sidelined in the first Avengers movie? And in Infinity War as well.
@@antona.1327 Cap wasn't remotely sidelined in the first Avengers film. As for Infinity War, with a cast that big choices needed to be made about who would get more focus than the rest, and the story being told called for Thanos to be the main focus, with Tony, Thor, and Gamora as secondaries. Everyone else is tertiary, including Cap. That's just how it is.
As for Dark World...the less said about that the better.
"a billionaire in an iron suit ..." actually it's made from a gold titanium alloy
How could I forget?! 😂
And now its nano thech
Gold Titanium Alloy Man
Guess Gold Titanium Alloy Man wouldn't be as catchy.
Actually, that is kinda catchy, but long.
It was suppose to be steel which contains iron. The red and yellow was a paint job.
Can't believe Iron man used to be a B-list hero. Can anyone who grew up with the original comic books explain this to me, I'd actually really like to know.
Ever since Marvel comics were publishing 'superhero' comics, their two best selling comics were Spider-Man and The X-Man. Avengers was Marvel's 4th highest selling comic, but they were pretty much Marvel's B-Team beside the X-Men. Avengers sold well, and to those who were big on Marvel comics, they were highly regarded characters. However, to those outside, The Avengers, including Iron Man and Captain America were relatively unknown. It's the work of the folk at Marvel Studios who have made these under-appreciated characters what they are now, in the sense of their place in popular culture.
In the 1960's Iron Man was marginally popular, but Spidey, the Fantastic Four, and the Hulk were the top sellers. Thor and Silver Surfer also had cult followings in the late 60's and into the early 70's, thanks to trippy stories and art. Then in the mid to late 1970's, the X-Men changed directions and became hugely popular. The Avengers were always changing members, with Cap being the only constant...usually. Iron Man was boring, until they did the "Demon in a Bottle" story line. That was the mid 1980's and it was the first time anyone cared about Iron Man as a character. He was not more popular than Hank Pym or Hawkeye before that. Now, all three are popular thanks to the MCU.
@arrow 9001
Iron Man, was popular when first released in the 60's, and had varying degrees of popularity over the years. Many argued, his solo comics suffered from poor writing during the down periods FWIW.
However/Either way, he (and tangentially his father) were always written as central/integral parts of Marvel Comics and it's interweaving story line and characters. So, it's only fitting the character kicked off the MCU in it's current form.
So no: Iron Man wasn't a great cross over success to outsiders as Spiderman, Batman or Superman. Nah. However, he was always essential and well known to Marvel Comics, and it's central various story lines.
Thus, his character was straight from Central Casting. I think it (the reception) may just come down to the writing?
Note/Interesting fact: The original Avengers were: Iron Man, Ant-Man, Wasp, Thor, and Hulk. CA was actually found and defrosted in the 4th Avengers comic.
Hope that helps?
@arrow 9001
Iron Man, was popular when first released in the 60's, and had varying degrees of popularity over the years. Many argued, his solo comics suffered from poor writing during the down periods FWIW.
However/Either way, he (and tangentially his father) we're always written as central/integral parts of Marvel Comics and it's interweaving story line and characters. So, it's only fitting the character kicked off the MCU in it's current form.
So no: Iron Man wasn't a great cross over success to outsiders as Spiderman, Batman or Superman. Nah. However, he was always essential and well known to Marvel Comics, and it's central various story lines.
Thus, his character was straight from Central Casting. I think it (the reception) may just come down to the writing?
Note/Interesting fact: The original Avengers were: Iron Man, Ant-Man, Wasp, Thor, and Hulk. CA was actually found and defrosted in the 4th Avengers comic.
Hope that helps?
MSL525: Iron Man was never written as a central part of the Marvel Universe until Marvel started making movies. They chose him to start with because they felt it would be a more relatable character than some other heroes and easy to do well with modern CGI. As a result, they increased his importance in the comics.
Go back to the 1980's and for a large chunk it wasn't even Tony in the armor. There was no Illuminati back then. Reed Richards was the go-to science guy. Iron Man was just the gadget guy. In fact, he was so unimportant that he didn't even get his own solo book until 1968, long after Tales of Suspense (the book he premiered in) became a Captain America book.
The reason why Marvel is so successful are people like me. Not a comic book fan. Thought that comic book movies were time-fillers at best. Eventually stumbled over a few MCU movies, with no context whatsoever what they were even about. Actually wasn't all that enamoured with Ironman. Somehow saw Captain America at one point. Became interested. Saw The Winter Soldier and became a die-hard "watch even every TV show out there" fan.
The MCU as a whole is just unique. I enjoy how the movies are influencing each other and to see characters develop over a long period of time. There are TV shows out there which don't have character development of this quality.
This is so true. The MCU turned newcomers into die-hard fans. They gained new audiences everywhere.
swanpride exactly what you said... Not being a comic book fan... And yes... I knew the MCU was magic ... But Winter Soldier is what did it for me
@@lilbihxxx1234 true as fuck. It took only 3 movies then I was hooked to not just the MCU but to Marvel itself
I joined only after infinity war cause I heard so much about it and didn’t read a single comic before that and fell in love and watched everything else
Are you telling me that Infinity War was the first MCU movie you watched?
As some UA-camr noted, one reason why Marvel is so impressive is because they built the hype and fame by themselves for 10 years. The reason why The Force Awakens was such a big deal is because of what Lucas ended in the 80s. The rest behind Marvel's success is more of what everybody says, it's a connected franchise that takes it's time to build their characters, you always get the feeling that you are watching the same universe, the utterly diverse stories and tones also add uniqueness on each character and their films. Kevin Feige is another factor that makes the MCU perfectly functional.
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@@LUCKO2022 yes
@@LUCKO2022 yes
@@LUCKO2022 yes
One more 'superpower' of the makers of the MCU is their casting excellence. They know how to find the *_right_* actors to fit the roles. Robert Downey Jr. for Iron Man, Chris Evans for Captain America, and Josh Brolin for the voice & motion capture of Thanos. You can like or dislike any or all the MCU flicks, but I cannot recall the last time I heard something like, "__________ was *_TERRIBLE_* in their role as __________! What was Kevin Feige thinking???" With Captain Marvel, we shall see if Marvel still has their magic touch.
I think you'll find the only way to one-up Kickass' friend is to just hire Kickass.
True, but the DC has been good with their casting as well. The only choices that weren’t good were Jessie Eisenberg and Jared Leto. And both of those could have been good, but failed due to lack of good direction.
Jessie Eisenberg was a really good casting choice for THAT VERSION of Lex Luthor, the problem was that like so many other things about that movie, "this aint your daddy's Lex Luthor."
Nicholas Hylton I think script writers are more of a contributing factor. If josh brolin or Chris evans were given bad scripts, they would’ve been bad characters. Likewise if henry Cavill or ben Affleck were given good scripts, they could’ve easily been better characters
@Pharzel I'm glad you like that ridiculously op Quicksilver. Whichs makes writing harder around that character. Plus whats his motivation? He just there. How is that a better character. He has a better personality but that's pretty much it. Besides that he's op and has no character motivations for what's for he's doing.
You sir have perfectly explained why this franchise works so incredibly well, why others who have tried fail miserably and why these characters and this universe mean so much to not just comic book fans but to all kinds of movie goers in general. Fantastic analysis Dave. Seriously could not agree more. Hats off to you man.
Thanks so much for saying man -- really glad you enjoyed the video.
Marvel stuck to the essence of what made these characters great in the comics. DC need to do the same and stick to their script.
The reality is the executives are out of touch from the ever changing world of film universe.
Please, the Guardians of the Galaxy from the comics are more matured and badass that the MCU clowns of the Galaxy.
@@mayotango1317 thank you xx and don't get me started on what they have done to Drax, Ultron, Civil War and Thor Ragnorock when you compare them to the orignial comic.
They earned the trust of the fans by now, some things cant be adapted perfectly so they made some changes. The core avengers team for example, Missing hank pym.
Right. Marvel keeps its characters loyal to who they are in the comics, and show them why comic fans love them. DC on the other hand, doesn't have enough faith in their characters' characterizations, and therefore will change them up in order to attempt "fitting them into today's expectations." It's one of the reasons why Superman still hasn't gotten exact proper representation.
Why? That's easy, Stan "The Man" Lee, he created characters that were human first, with all the problems that go along with just being that, and heroes second. And as pointed out in the video, patience, Marvel obviously had a long term plan and stuck to it beautifully.
I heard it like this once.
Both companies have 'superheroes'. DC focuses on the 'super'. Marvel focuses on the 'hero'.
STH Why do people have to put down dc so much they put hero first as well Batman doesn’t even have superpowers and Superman is one of the most human character despite being Kryptonian I don’t know why people can’t like both marvel and dc?
god if only starwars had help from Marvel..... and a plan
@@hasthehighground8560 I agree. I think people tend to conflate DC with WB. I don't much care for the DCEU movies, but that's not DC or the character's fault. That lies with WB and the people they allow to bring it to life.
I never read comics. But i love the Marvel movies. I can't connect or fall in love with the DCEU characters. I like great characters and great dialogue. Marvel nails it. DC just needs to find it's footing by finding what works on screen.
I heard Stan Lee didn't really create a lot of these characters
2:34 “Patience” and then you add the *Patience* End credit from Spiderman Homecoming. Clever....very clever
Someone finally picked up on that one!
Dave Lee Down Under Haha Nice!
I noticed that too, it’s very smart.
Please don't forget that Marvel Studios's planning was not without struggle/dispute. Introducing Thanos in the end of Marvel's The Avengers (2012) was Joss Whedon's idea, and man, it took quite an effort to convince Marvel Studios that it is a good idea.
Joss wheadon would later wrote justice league 2017 which failed miserably.
Yeah he wrote it when it was already half way through production
@@stephenmarco2927 both him and Zack Snyder have urged WB to delay the release date to reshoot and rewrite the film properly, in which WB refused to do so.
Chromwell A Behind the scenes drama is inevitable. What matters is the outcome.
@@freddieawsome1 WB's behind the scene management is in chaos, thus affecting the outcome greatly.
Fantastic breakdown, and Ill just say it, the MCU is the greatest cinematic achievement of all time. I absolutely love every second of it.
Ethan Jones I’d say it is. He does say “achievement” and the facts show that MARVEL created the most profitable, consistent, and arguably the most well known franchise ever
Feel sorry for people like you. You are the reason why movies are terrible nowadays. You encourage these studios that making dumb schlock for children is good business. MCU is trash. And don't call me a DCEU fanboy, pussy. I've been reading Marvel comics since I was a kid and Iron Man is my favorite superhero of all time and I own about 350+ comics with him.
Yeah,because everyone knows Scarface,Pulp Fiction,Reservoir Dogs,Fight Club,American History X,Rambo First Blood,Die Hard,The Shining and 2001 can't hold a candle to the Marvel Cinematic Universe...Its not like Pulp Fiction is funnier,better directed and has much more heart than the entire MCU...sure
@@MachineFuckingHate give me one good reason the MCU is trash
Sam, I'll give you plenty of reasons. 1. It's formulaic. 2. It's overexposed. 3. It doesn't respect its source material and tries to change it just for the sake of changing it. And, Sam, you don’t have to shit your bed in anger because I don’t respond to you. One, it’s stupid to get mad at me. Two, you may be talking to me, expecting an answer, without even realizing that I may not have seen your reply because I’m either not checking my notifications or simply asleep.
I was fanboy of DC once. When ironman movie came out my interest was began growing on Marvel then Hulk (it was bit weird) then Captain. Shit i loved it ,Thor wasn't great but i love it. Then the Avengers and i totally forgot about DC because i was watching way too many Marvel movies. I didn't cared about Man of Steel and BvS, watched WW and it was fine but then Justice League came. I was so hyped and i watched. Heart broken by its rushed shitty plot i had totally left DCEU as a fanboy and watched Avengers IW. Bitch it was BEST, BETTER THAN FUCKING JL.
Fuck DCEU its dead from the start.
I'm both a Marvel Fanboy and DC fanboy the dceu has let me down with their shity movies Man of Steel Batman versus Superman Suicide Squad and Justice League are the worst movies Wonder Woman and Aquaman are the best movies
The biggest dumbass that causes the fall of DCEU is WB itself.
They keep changing the story and narration of the movie simply because they don't like what a man they hire wrote. Or sometimes fired them mid-production just because they won't change the story they are paid to make...
too harsh.. but truth hurts..
Fuck dceu
I love people that decide to hate a company with some of the most iconic superheroes and villains ever because of shitty movies.
What I find interesting about this is how DC have balls it up. MCU had 5 movies and 4 years before the first Avengers movies, and in that lot was The Hulk, first CA, first Thor and IM2 - none which people generally rate as their best outings, yet all played their part. But what it showed is with just a bit of planning (and these were relatively isolated movies) and not much time (5 years isn’t that long when you consider how long they need to start planning production), it was all there on a platter for DC. It’s just mind blowing how they have gone about it
Well, there was 3 years between MOS and BvS, so they could've done it EASILY!! I just don't understand how they screwed it so easily.
Follow up MOS with a Batman movie and a Wonder Woman movie and they're still on pace to deliver BvS at the exact same time. Baffling.
so true! and a batman and wonder woman solo movie, would give them much greater returns than the first CA / Thor / Hulk movies! (assuming they were somewhat decent movies) they would have be leaps and bounds ahead of Marvel.
sad thing is - i dont like talking about it as Marvel V DC - there is plenty of room for both - i just hate that we dont have a decent DC universe with arguably stronger, richer characters than marvel started with
It is pretty amazing that Marvel got better as they went. You are right that most of those Phase 1 movies aren't Marvel's best. Only Iron Man 1 really holds up now.
I wonder about DC having "arguably stronger, richer characters than marvel started with" DC has the big 3 of Supes, Bats, and WW. Plus GL and Flash are pretty good too. But it seems to fall off after that. Marvel isn't as top heavy. Spidey and now Iron Man are up there, but their depth seems better. By the time you get to Marvel's 6th best characters like maybe a Hulk or Capt America, DC is throwing Cyborg or Aquaman at you.
@@DaveLeeDownUnder Yep
HarpoSpoke, Any character can be rich and full of depth with the right writer.
As a 2000s kid, my parents were more Star Trek, Star Gate, Star Wars, anything with "Star" in the name, than Marvel.
Still, since Iron Man, our house has slowly become cluttered with posters, figures, and old drawings from grade school of our beloved characters. I've had the opportunity to grow up with Tony Stark and the crew, always anxiously waiting for the next news on our Avengers as the months ticked by. Maybe they've hacked my brain, but just the sight of our characters triggers warm fuzzy feelings in me- like a part of my own childhood and coming of age story will never die. Without realizing it, Marvel's story has been so heavily wrapped around my own life that I can't imagine what my life would be like without it.
Even though I've long since come to the realization that superheroes aren't defending our universe from aliens and malicious villains, it all still feels so real to me. Over the past decade, I've seen so many characters grow and change like real people (because, in my mind, they kind of are) and have lived in their world through the big screen.
Because of how much time Marvel has spent on crafting and developing this cinematic universe, we get the chance of seeing a not too far off alternate reality.
Another tragedy is that DC/WB wasted two classic comic book stories (Dark Knight Returns & Death of Superman) in one mediocre film. They are not going to be able to go back to that well for a looooooooooong time.
I don't know, look how Fox is trying the Phoenix saga again already, sure the 1st one was x-men 3 with the phoenix saga as a subplot + the up coming dark phoenix happens in a alternated timeline, but DC/WB could try again if they do flash point ….. maybe do couple of JL movies before Death of superman so it would actually have an impact for the other characters and audiences. They will re-do the story sooner than you think if they think there's money in it, don't underestimate the greed of the exec.
Benjamin L Oh, they can do it again next year if they feel like it. I meant doing it well and successfully like Infinity War. Lets face it, the first Phoenix Saga on the big screen was meh at best and who knows about this new one but based on the last X-Men movie, the most you can hope for is that it doesn't suck.
I agree with the others that DC could do them again. Fox proved that. Sony did the Spider-Man origin story twice already. ...Though maybe Sony proved the public tires of the same story done too soon.
The problem with The Dark Knight Returns is that it's based on the silly idea of Batman and Superman fighting. There really is no way to make that work. It fails the logic test almost immediately. The only way to do it is to portray Superman as a complete moron. ....Which is what they did in BvS and is one of the reasons it was bad.
So if they tried it again the same problem would happen again. Superman would again have to be an idiot because Batman walked into the room and has to win.
Yeah, Dark Knight Returns is supposed to be an ALTERNATE reality where Supes and Batman are the most extreme (negative) versions of themselves. It doesn't really work when you are trying to build a connected universe, regular batman and superman kind of thing
On the other hand, the issue with Death of Superman is that you would probably need to have 3-4 movies before for people to get attached to Superman and hence, give his demise a very strong emotional impact. If Robert Downey Jr. would have been playing Superman all this time, this would be about the right time to do something like that. However, good luck with a) WB/DC having that sort of patience and b) even if they do, not shitting the bed during such a long period of time.
Their most famous character came to the mcu after 7 years when they were aldready famous
If that is not success i dont know what is
@Rilaway Spider-Man
@@Amy-bl8sp
actualy peter parker was in iron man 2. (tony stark saved him)
@@blackbeast9268 that's just a fan theory
it says that on the marvel cinematic universe wiki
@@ritwikreddy5670 it's real
Those who scoff or roll their eyes at the mention of the MCU... I get it. Superheroes aren't for everyone. But it's an achievement. Ten years of consistently good movies culminating in arguably the greatest and most ambitious action movie ever made, and all of this started with a B-list character, a director no one knew and a lead actor no one wanted to work with. This movie series was arguably a little repetitive at first, but films like Winter Soldier, Guardians 2, Ragnarok, Black Panther, and Infinity War not only exceeded all expectations, but made me hungry for more MCU films. This franchise continues to excite fans, and is bringing an end to the first chapter of the MCU. What will happen next? What new stories will be told? What new heroes will get standalone films and what old heroes will get sequels? Only time will tell, but one thing's for sure; Fans want more.
You know who I envy? Kids growing up now. They can watch all the MCU films, front to back, and see this massive story unfold in a matter of hours while we had to wait a decade.
As you touched upon, the fact casual moviegoers can enjoy these movies is critical. I’m able to take my Mum who likes Spider-Man (since I grew up loving it) to Ant-Man and Iron Man films which she really enjoys. The comedy in Ant-Man in particular really works for getting those unknown with him into his shtick. She doesn’t love the big team up explosion fest films, but she doesn’t need to because when an Ant-Man or Homecoming comes out she can enjoy that and continue with normal media consumption.
That’s the same reason why DC characters are becoming hated toxic “normies” who only watch the movies act like that’s all that matters because that’s all they know and now fan favorite dc characters are seen as “inferior”.
You know, with movies like the Predator, it's not exactly like Hollywood's making it hard for marvel.
Infinity war: wanna see me get the record for most grossing opening weekend?
Endgame: Wanna see me do it again?
Avengers, Kang Dynasty : do it Again ?
Avengers Secret wars : Do it again ?
Zack Snyder proved that the biggest DC villain is not Darkseid, its WB executive
that's so trueee. underrated comment
You failed to mention DC/Warners first attempt at following the Marvel formula .... Green Lantern.
Ssh. We don't talk about that.
No, that doesn't exist. Idk what you're talking about
Green Lantern? What Green Lantern? ? I've NEVER heard of any Green Lantern....
Green Lantern has literally become nothing more then a punchline in Deadpool movies. Which is kind of amazing.
Green Lantern fan here. I'm sure I would've known if there was a GL movie made. Only time anyone from the Corps. was on screen was the flashback in Justice League.
Perfect comparison of MCU vs DCEU A movie about fucking Ant-Man did better than a movie with Wonder Woman, Batman and Superman at the Box Office and is actually better. Another one? Sure. A movie with over 50 characters became the highest grossing movie of all time at the box office, in the meantime DC created their Justice League with household characters such as Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman and the Flash and it fell flat on its face
Seriously? Ant Man did that much better? Geez
My first thought is that the success was mostly because of the studio name, but then I remember how well-put-together the movie was. It's not one of the films I'd watch over and over again like Avengers or Iron Man, but it's still really good.
Mcu managed to turn non a-listers into cultural icons while dcxu gave a huge middle finger to comic fans by abusing the characters and storylines
@NAUNDURGROUND I didn't mean BvS. I meant it did better than a movie about super man (Man of Steel) and the batman part I probably just forgot they didn't make a standalone movie for him. Other than that my point still stands
@NAUNDURGROUND Well I didn't mean Infinity War was the highest grossing movie of all time. I was talking about Marvel and DC specifically. I would also like to say none of the mentioned movies had to juggle 50 characters and satisfy millions with how they do it. The movies you mentioned don't count as having 50 characters. In Avatar you don't count every random chucklefuck in a helicopter as a character. Only the ones given the time to have recognizeable characteristics. We know all the characters in Infinity War. We know them and they feel like real people in a real world. That's what makes them characters
The fact that Avengers: Infinity War can stand as a movie with no character introductions or background scenes and still beat Justice League at the box office the first week it's released really just shows the unprecedented feat Marvel Studios undertook. And now, 10+ years after bankruptcy, the MCU is one of the most successful if not the most successful franchises in history. You know you did something right when you release an action movie trailer that contains no action whatsoever and still break records for views (set by your own franchise). I mean they have millions of people waiting to see what will happen next in Avengers: Endgame. They deserve recognition where it's due.
All 12 DCEU fans disliked this video.
The shade of it all!
Overrated=/=bad
If you don't like something just because of other people that do that just makes you a hipster, tbh fam. Just let people enjoy something.
No its one DCEU fan with different accounts
At least DC fans arent retarded like marvel fans
As a DC fan, I can assure you that is not the case!
I was a diehard dc fan, I enjoyed the Mcu but I still loved dc. But now...I kind of converted, I just don’t enjoy Dc anymore, I find it hard to.
Me too after Infinity War I was also converted.
Meh I’m a diehard dc fan I just enjoy the comics tv shows and other mediums but the movies the movies are just … shit
Aqua man was laughable. I was really looking forward to it but the acting of the black guy (idk his name) that lost his dad was terrible and during the most intense fight scenes it took away from the fights just to look at overdramatized looks from bystanders.
feel the same way
I literally enjoy everything but the DCEU, like bro how tf do yall mess up the Justice League.
Wow... This is incredible I’ve been looking for a video like this to go into such detail and great storytelling about the MCU as a big Marvel fan and you explain it all perfectly. I really hope too that the MCU continues to have great success as it deserves it!
The Rotten Tomatoes graphs and comparisons to other cinematic universes not working as well was awesome too!!
For me the MCU is my Star Wars and is something that has grown with me growing up and has a big part in my life and inspirations.
Thanks again for another fantastic video!! 👌🏼👍🏼
Thanks heaps Ben!
The reason the MCU is doing better is because Marvel Studios is a pretty much autonomous production company staffed completely by people with a passion for comics, funded by Disney.
It really shows with what they did with a production budget of 200 million for Infinity War versus the 300 mil WB spent on Justice League.
These are just megabudget fan films
infinity war cost 300 millions,not 200
There's the other thing... Even when a movie is less than stellar, that is to say good but not great and not as lucrative (like The Dark World and Iron Man 3... both of which I enjoyed btw), it still plays into building the world. The Dark World gives of the Aether aka The Reality Stone and Iron Man 3 gives us good insight into Tony's mind. Marvel DOES plan ahead, and they DO seed their next movies (the two post credit scenes hint at age of ultron and kinda a lead up to civil war or at least a possible future for bucky). The thing is, if you miss the clues, you can still enjoy the movie. But you also don't want to skip or miss the hints or the clues...but you also don't want to miss the world-building or the character development. I was skeptical about GotG, but I knew I needed to see it so I could understand when they finally were in a crossover or something like an infinity stone turned up. And it stays fairly mostly consistent in the universe.
Also Iron Man 3 is a prime example of character focus. Tony had a realistic reaction to the events of The Avengers, and had to deal with that throughout the film. That plays into what happens in Age of Ultron and his decisions in Civil War. It's an easily traced line a-b-c-d-e-f-g without skipping any points or beats. We get to see the guy "Who successfully privatized world peace" transform into the guy who would sign the Sokovia Accords.
This is why the DCEU needs a Reboot. If not, WB and DC will never compete with the MCU.
WB, Zack Snyder, David S. Goyer and David Ayer did so much damage to the DCEU Brand that it's pretty much dead at this point. Even Wonder Woman wasn't able to save it.
I'm personally hoping they use the Flash for some sort of time travel reboot (I'm pretty sure they've explored alternate timelines with the TV Flash) In-universe they could just keep the current Flash because he's the one causing the timeline change (out-of-universe reason being that he seems to be well liked) and current Wonder Woman because she existed as this version prior to whatever point in time they make the change at (out-of-universe reason being she's the DCEU's greatest success right now) Change absolutely everything else. I'm not huge on time travel/alternate universe plots but this is the only way I can see to undo the damage Snyder, Whedon, and the WB have caused to this universe. It should be obvious you're in the wrong timeline when Ant-Man and the Wasp, a D-list sequel, makes only 35 million dollars less worldwide than Justice League, the DCEU's version of the Avengers.
David ayer and zack snyder? They had nothing to do with the failure of the dceu. It's all wb.
@@alphareturns5988 yes they did bro, these directors don't know how to direct films.
@@carlosjavier771 it's because of studio interference. BvS was trimmed to be be sorter. Which is why the ultimate edition did so much better. And suicide squad was also interfered heavily. So it was mainly studio interference that did damage.
As far as results for these two unverses, this is what I see:
With Marvel, if they have a bad movie, it is maybe medicre or below average at worst but more than likely is just bland or average, but NOTterrible or bad. And when Marvel DOES hit the mark, they do REALLY well, not the best, that goes to the Nolan-verse with the Dark Knight triology, but still, the MCU at its best is REALLY good.
The DCEU at its worst is HORRIBLE. And so far, at its best, its only slightly above average at most, if not just ok.
Marvel loses very little with each flop and gains so much with each win, whereas DC loses so much with each flop and gains not so much with its very few wins.
Yeah, Justice League and Suicide Squad are the two biggest offenders.
Nahian Shahab So a real film has to be overdramatic and humourless?
Nahian Shabab Well, BvS certainly is.
Nahian Shabab Says you DCEU fanboy!
Nahian Shabab All those movies are still watchable and enjoyable to Marvel fans... a lot of DC fans are almost insulted by DC movies.
The DCEU is like if marvel made Iron Man 1, then skipped ahead and used Captain America: Civil War to set up its characters for The Avengers. Then went back and made The Incredible Hulk, Thor, Captain America: The first Avenger, and Iron Man 2.
Very well said.
Ikr...
Exactly makes no sense
Mainly because dc superheros are already well known. What's the point of having a batman movie if we already had a trilogy not long ago?
@@alphareturns5988 Better question is what's the point OF NOT USING that batman trilogy they had just made not too long prior. It was their choice to start batman over from scratch. And the end result of that bad choice is pretty similar to what the OP described.
3 years later, Marvel still reigns ❤️
Did you Just call "Hawkeye" a bloke with a Bow and Arrow!?
Hawkeye called Hawkeye "[a bloke with] a bow and arrow" in Ultron
Ant Man called him 'arrow guy' in Civil War and I thought that line was hilarious!
I know right? Hell the reason Thanos won was because Hawkeye wasn’t there
Give credit where its do Hawkeye could beat Thanos himself
I mean he basically is. An arrow is such a terrible weapon for modern day civilization. Even isolated people use guns
He is untill......................................
.......endgame
Interestingly, the MonsterVerse (Legendary's shared universe featuring Godzilla, King Kong, and Toho monsters) looks like it's on the right track for being successful. The MonsterVerse was built on the financial success of the Godzilla remake in 2014, which was a box office success and received warm reception. The follow up movie was Kong Skull Island, which didn't reference any of the other monsters or the idea of a larger universe except for one story driven reference and a post-credit scene that showed that all these monsters exist in the same universe. Legendary is also working for a specific goal, taking their time to build up to a Godzilla vs Kong event in 2020.
Evryone forgets the Kaijus. Even the original series and It's reboots, and reboots apart from the first films, and the cross overs (mostly labeled as Godzilla films since he was the star attraction.) Not as huge a success as the MCU but they made a lot of films. As for the new American made series. I'm glad they are learning from their mistakes getting rid of what didn't work and trying to make them more interesting. The monster designs are great and people wanted to see more of them, and it looks like that'll be the case. They just need to treat the monsters as the stars and find human stories that are foils for that.
The Monsterverse is damn good, and their respect for Godzilla and beefing up Kong were done with fine crafting. Enjoyable and impressive. "Let them fight."
@Lord Raiden hey godzilla has fought for years in different movies so I don't think it's going anywhere and toho sees how big 2014 was and will most likely give more rights to legendary.
Huh.
Also, these films aren’t trying to be the next Godfather. It knows it can be and should be not a super serious, but not complete joke.
“Can you imagine an Iron Man movie without Iron Man??”
**oh boi**
The MCU builds characters, we feel connected to these people and when we watch these movies, we feel like were in it too. The time, effort, and people that worked on these films produced remarkable movies. Truly no other can top the mcu
Marvel: Breaks biggest opening weekend record
Also Marvel: I’m about to end my own career
The MCU is just so special. Great Characters, Unique storytelling, Real World relevance, Outstanding Casting, the MCU has something for everyone.
Retable characters compared to DCEU
@@siddharth_0771 u mean relatable
You must be 12 if you enjoy those trash movies and their cheesy comedy
What the MCU did was freaking legendary! A whole universe of heroes from Earth Mighiest to the Guardians of the Galaxy.
I hate the DCEU but it doesn’t mean DC is bad. It’s just their movie universe.
Their TV Series and Animated universes were more superior than it's universe in the silver screen.
Carson Nelder pfffffft nah , you cant compare one movie to years of animation
Abimelech Sanders DCAU is better than MCU
Highest Grossing Worldwide Opening of all time: Avengers : Infinity War- 640 million
Avengers: Endgame: Hold my $1.2 billion 😎
SpiderMan No way Home : Excuse Me. 😉
Could you imagine a Spiderman shared universe without Spiderman?
That's what's Sony is starting with Venom #GoFigure
Yeeesh
Hamman Samuel Venom is gonna be awesome though.
Zachhh oh absolutely, I'm watching it!
And Looks like It's Staying because Venom was a Box Office and Commercial Success!
Flop
I was a fan of IronMan before it was cool #IronHipster
Jackie Jones it has always been cool
Yep , Ironman was always cool for me. The comics and the animated series
Yes. He was also cool in Marvel vs Capcom. War Machine too.
Iron Man, the movie was cool. Iron Man the character is kind of a jerk.
Most people hated Marvel Vs Capcom Infinite (far cry from MVC2) but I liked it. Has a nice feel, it's the closest I see to a MCU fighting game.
Because Stan Lee's Awesome Cameos in the Films. It wouldn't be the same without his Cameos. Stan once said that His cameos are,the reason Marvel Films do So Fantastic
I was/still am a diehard Marvel fan boy but I loved the Burton Batman films and the first 2 Superman films and obviously I loved the first 2 X-Men and Spider-Man films, but I was so skeptical when in 2007 when Marvel announced the MCU. I was just so sure it was gonna fail and here we are 10 years later and my favorite films are MCU films. While every MCU film isn’t great even the weaker ones are somewhat decent, what this studio has done is groundbreaking and should be commended.
I can just imagine Kevin Feige and Stan Lee walking into a wells fargo together to get a $500 million loan with the rights to all of their remaining characters as the collateral.
Loved the vid btw
Hey dude you forgot to mention Blade in there. His movie predates even X-men by two years and it was the first successful comic book movie.
BradLad56 well people tend to skip over blade because the film received mainly mixed reviews and was a moderate box office success in 98. In later years, it’s received more of a cult following
@Antonio Brroks
Huh!?
The first Blade was an excellent movie and made $131 mil US at the box office. The first XMen-two years later-did $157 million. So, I guess that was a "moderate" success as well (SMH)?
Blade II in 2002, made $157 mil US. X2 (in 2003) did $214 million.
So again, where's the big difference? You can sure say Blade showed them the way.
Keep in mind: The fact the XMen movies had bigger budgets, with more well known characters than Blade, makes your comments (and Blades performance) even more incredulous.
Even the hokey Blade 3 (Trinity) in 2004 made a decent $129 mil vs X3's $234 mil in 2006.
So, yes a credible argument can be made that Blade jump-started the current Marvel-Comic movie Renaissance, indeed!
"The first successful comic book movie"? I guess you kinda forgot the previous 40 years where Superman and Batman movies dominated the market. lol
@@yoursonisold8743 I ment in the modern age. Turds like The Phantom and Batman and Robin had kinda given superhero films a bad rep because they were too cheesey and didn't have a very high level of production quality. I'm not saying Blade had a huge budget because quite clearly it didn't but it took the source material seriously and didn't make it too cheesey which it easily could have (see Buffy 92 for an example of that). I think Blade restored some of the faith in superhero films that had been lost by the aforementioned turds and others over the years. I'm not saying X-Men and Spider-Man wouldn't have happened without Blade but there's the possibility that superhero films wouldn't be as popular as they are now if the day walker hadn't hit the screen in 98.
@@BradLad56
You gotta specify such things, because believe it or not, most people here can't read minds lol
The Schumacher films weren't even commercial failures despite being campy as hell. They also had high production value, with bad scripts and acting.
Blade certainly was a breakout from all the trash, but Sony would have made those Spider-man movies regardless of Blade. They don't buy such a license to waste it hahaha
i'm just watching these "why does dceu suck? lol dceu is so stupid" videos but this is great - the history lesson (i had no idea that marvel risked everything on a 500m dollar bet) was worth it
DC animation absolutly kills it. why cant they translate that sucess to movies?
Because those are cartoons. We need to make movies.
i do know that. again: why DC makes so many good decisions when it comes to animation, and when its movies its the other way around. They already did it, its not impossible. Dark knight must be the1st, 2nd and 3rd best super hero movie all time.
mauricio krebs because dcxu lacked the effort, passion, skills, vision etc. to turn them into live action.
Yeong VinSheng no, it’s because they outsource writers.
mauricio krebs MoS,BvS,WW were good films.
What do Marvel fans call the main characters? Tony, Natasha, Steve, Bucky, and so on. Not Iron Man, not Black Widow, not the Winter Soldier, not even Captain America. We know the characters like we know or best friends, that's how good the MCU is
You know, I read a comment on a video like this where someone said that the marvel movies were basically just ordinary movies with marvel heroes in it. Captain America: Winter Soldier was a spy movie, Ant Man was a heist movie, Guardians of the Galaxy was a space opera, and so on.
Yeah, and Doctor Strange is a fantasy film.
“What’s that? I can’t hear you behind all this box office moneeeeeeeeey
Yeaaaah haha”
-Hishe avengers.
My favorites are
Avengers Endgame
Thor Ragnarok
Captain America Winter soldier\ Civil War
Avengers Infinity War
Iron Man
Guardians of the Galaxy vol 1,2
And Ant Man and the wasp
Ironman 3- 1B
Captain America: Civil War- 1B
BlackPanther- 1B
CaptainMarvel- 1B
AVENGERS FRANCHISE- 6B+
Spiderman: Far from Home 1B
GOTG VOL.2- 800M
THOR: Ragnarok- 800M
Infinity War: $640.5 million on opening weekend
Endgame: Hold my beer
*$1.2 Billion on Opening Weekend*
No way Home
Multi verse of madness
Secret wars.
: Excuse me
Spider Man No Way Home : Excuse me.
The reasons why the Marvel Cinematic Universe is so successful is pretty much the same reasons why Walt Disney Animation Studios is the king of all feature animation. The only difference is that Disney Aanimation has been around since 1937.
And what reason is that? :P
The answer should be: Disney gave Marvel autonomy while Warner bros constraints DC since day 1.
My beloved Disney has fallen from grace. My bloodline helped make it what it was and now they have lost their way. Sure, their animated features are for the most part good but none will have the craftsmanship and timing of those early films. CG should be Pixar's thing but now Feature Animation is using it. The sad thing is it isn't consistent on their strength in stories, sometimes it is Pixar and sometimes it is Feature Animation that has the better film. But then we have Lucasfilm and the live action division, talk about a very troubled bunch. We have a shell of a franchise that is pretty aimless and films that have either no integrity, are mediocre, or serve no purpose other than to make money. Marvel is the most consistent storytelling juggernaut Disney has right now and it is telling.
Disney is not interested in making quality animated Marvel stories (a few Spiderman series, one Dr. Strange direct to DVD release, and perhaps the old 90's X-Men tv show, not withstanding.) Unlike DC which puts a tonne of effort into *crafting great stories,* sharp writing, quality animation, and perfect voice casting,. The Marvel animated universe exists *_only_* to sell toys. It feels as lifeless as the plastic action-figures it is designed to push. A good business model but at the expense of storytelling excellence.
Bullshit marvel is successful because just like there comic books they do crossover events that are epic u first started off in the 1970s reading Marvel's x men because of the first black superhero storm and professor x and magneto wolverine and the mutant outcasts that I could relate to .as I kept reading the x men they would crossover in an event with the fantastic four over some issue and then months later they would clash with the avengers when I knew nothing about in another serious crossover event .and then before I knew it wolverine and spider Man we're teaming up to to kick butt and then many other superhero characters and groups u would learn about and then become interseted in because of Marvel's crossover events .this was a huge thing for marvel comics vwck in the 80s and 90s crossover events and now they have applied it successfully to the big screen
you have to give it to Universal for smart enough to pull the plug on their shared universe plans after their first failed attempt to grab audiences.
Dude, The Mummy wasn't even their first attempt to start the Dark Universe. Remember Dracula Untold? A lot of people couldn't care less about that film.
An objective analysis without hater lingo or bias!
Thank you!
Nah, it's biased.
Thatguywiththestuffies UA-cam page. Yes it is. He literally thinks MCU is the best franchise lmao
redsox_metalhead everything is subjective though
@@zachhh5467 yea sure, box office numbers are subjective.
I think one of the main reason of MCU success was same producer with Kevin Feige. Without him, we will see the MCU movie keep rebooting and story change like other franchise
I'm with you. I would've rather had a successful DC franchise than a Marvel one. But, the MCU is just better. 'Course, it helps that I already liked a lot of their comics characters.
I hope DC will do good ,Aquaman and Shazam were good
I like how everything on the top 10 grossing domestic movies are all sequels.
That's where the $$$ are
Avengers endgame: Hold my beer
The answer is patience which WB doesn't have
I think it's as you've said, Marvel have shown patience and taken their time with proper character development and other attempted universes you've not been given enough time to care about what happens to the characters and it feels blatantly forced to make money
DC in particular have wasted entire story lines & villans like Lex, Zod, Doomsday and the Batman Vs Superman and Death of Superman Storylines which deserved a better treatment
No one is saying that they can't make creative changes as Marvel has done it a lot but it works because it builds on the source material and adds Marvels own spin, not let's cram as many stories or characters into one film and hope it works
You hit the nail on the head by saying Marvel created two good stand alone films first hinting at more if it worked and continue to make good stand alone films first and the tie ins make sense, DC and others are the opposite
Marvel I'd pay to watch in the cinema, DC I can wait for digital or Blue-ray/DVD and am not too fussed about seeing
DC should take a page out of their animations or TV shows that actually work in building a universe as even those were across multiple animations or episodes so not all crammed into one
Agree! Thanks for a great comment
you should do a ranking franchise video where you rank franchises like MCU, Star Wars, and J.K. Rowling's Wizarding World etc.
Great idea!
I like that I can relate to the characters’ experience while watching the MCU movies. Tony amputating Bucky. Thor getting ready to kick Loki’s ass right before Hela showing up. Yondu sacrificed himself to save Starlord. You get the point.
almost every movie in the mcu expands the universe in some way. look at antman, doctor strange, and black panther. I think and hope Aquaman will do this for the dceu. I loved man of steel and still have "it's not an 'S'" for the franchise.
Definitely! I really enjoyed MOS when I first saw it, but it never really held up, sadly.
I hope the DCEU can pull itself out of the rut. Love Wonder Woman and Justice League showed signs of improvement... fingers crossed, I want to love this franchise too.
Dave Lee Down Under I wish justice League had been Snyder's singular vision. much like iron man standing on its own, Man of Steel stood on its wn quite well and I still get chills every time he flies to Zimmer's masterful score
yeah... you know that you make something wrong when you killed "heroically" to Superman in the end of a movie with Batman and Wonder Woman and people only surprised for that decision, not feel heartbreaking. And 2 years later people cry when see Yondu Udonta sacrifice himself heroically to save his adopted son, a secondary character of the Guardians franchise, which is a C or D-Line Characters of Marvel.
My favorite franchise is mcu 2 jurassic park/world universe 3 star wars
I’m here after a few months since Endgame came out, and you can really see how MARVEL’s hard work really paid off. Beating Avatar at highest grossing movie OF ALL TIME is no easy feat. Literally everyone was taking about Endgame at that time. Especially as a fan, it was really emotional how the original 6’s character arc go, and seeing Tony and Natasha die in that movie. And even people who are not super big fans of the mcu can agree that Endgame is one of the best movies to date.
Great video!!! I absolutely love the MCU and have been taking my nephews to see the movies with me since the start!! Some of them were toddlers when it started on some of them not even born when Ironman released! Now I’m about to have my own kid for the first time in April, and truly hope I’ll be watching Marvel movies with him for at least the next 15 years! I’ve already started buying the previous ones on Blu-ray and can’t wait till he’s old enough to get all caught up!! There’s never been anything like this in cinema and I’m just glad I’m here to be apart of it!!
Enjoy the marvel movies more. Like the DC comics more.
Yeah I just gonna watch the dc animated series these are masterpieces and why I love dc while the dceu is a mess and disrespects these great characters
I remember when Guardians of the Galaxy came out. I was 7 at that time and had remembered watching Avengers in the cinema with my whole family when I was 5. I didn't remember the whole thing but it was just such a great movie that I remembered that epic final battle, when the camera panned a 360. None of my family knew who the Guardians of the Galaxy was and the MCU wasn't as great and enormous as it is now. So only me and my brother and father went to watch it, it was awesome. I laughed at every scene and loved every moment of it. It wasn't just a superhero movie, because Marvel couldn't rely on that, and instead had to rely on a GOOD movie. Less than 2 years later, MCU is the best franchise of the best time
WHOA! ALMOST 10K ALREADY!
Haha, nearly there man. It’s crazy!
They could make 3 outstanding movies in a year
The MCU is everything that other franchises should be.
except the dceu because they tried to copy marvel and look where that got them
i am absolutely obsessed with the MCU. and the thing is, i was too young to go to the cinema to see iron man when it came out, or even Avengers in 2012... but still i have watched every single MCU movie, and a fair share of their TV shows as well. I grew up with Batman - bc my mom loved him and i was entirely too young to watch those movies too (i swear the joker gave me nightmares for a month) - and i loved him. Batman is still my favorite DC hero. But the DCEU takes itself seriously in a way that the MCU never did. Hawkeye said it best "None of this makes sense." the marvel movies mostly just feel so much lighter and for me are so much more fun to watch...
i still love the dark knight trilogy tho. its great.
Marvel deserves the praise it is getting at the moment. Infinity War is now my favorite superhero film of all time along with Watchmen. Going to watch it again tomorrow. I will have to disagree with you on the DCEU. Man Of Steel, Batman v Superman ultimate edition and Wonder Woman were awesome. Some of the best comic book movies ever made. Many fans loved those movies. Only Suicide Squad and Justice League were terrible. WB is the main problem. They are responsible for rushing things and ruining Suicide Squad and Justice League with reshoots. They should've just released Zack Snyder's cut of Justice League which fans are still asking for.
Definitely agree with you with WB being the main issue here. They don't know what they're doing and shouldn't be in charge of such a big franchise. The reason Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy worked so well was because Nolan wouldn't allow studio interference.
I can't speak on the Ultimate Editions, as I've not gotten around to them -- Sadly, most who didn't like the movie won't go back to watch the 'better' version. The theatrical will always be the movie that people judge and compare to -- which is why the better version should always be released theatrically. WB really screwed the pooch.
Always been a Marvel a fan cuz they were the underdogs. DC has a lot just hasn't been looking the same quality. One thing from dis video is movie wise they've taken known & obscure characters n make it work. Once again I'm a Marvel fan so erybody n the movies ain't new to me.
I'mma go ahead and disagree *big-time* regarding MoS & BvS/BvS UE
@You Big Gae
Honestly I dislike Man of Steel
I agree with you to a degree, had they gone for just Snyder as director for SS and JL, they would've at least ensured their MoS and BvS fans' enthusiasm (WW was doing well either way). But the suits didn't want Snyder numbers, they demanded *Marvel* numbers at any cost and ruined what audience trust they'd begun garnering.
I still think Batman vs superman would have worked much better if it DID use Christopher Nolan Batman, and had tried to work more with that instead of just saying "screw it" and rebooting batman.
If they would have kept to Bales Batman and even Routh's Superman into a bigger DCU franchise, it would have been as big as what Marvel is now, both were contracted to do a crossover movie anyways, shame we never got it.
nolans batman was heavily grounded in reality. how the hell would superman fit into that????
@@highway955 They could have found a way, at least nolans batman is a strong foundation as apposed to the current one...
The Marvel universe was successful, because of the effort they put into the characterisation and character arcs of these "B list" superheroes. They were blank canvasses because a lot of people just didn't know anything about them, so the movie makers could fill that gap meaningfully. And that's what people want to see, interesting adventures of appealing fictional individuals. That's why Star Wars is currently failing. Because they do zero to make the characters they use believable or likeable and the character arcs are all over the place.
Four years later and your video still stand up!
They all should follow ingenuity, quality and patience.
Marvel secret weapon: Nick Fury
DC secret weapon:
Nick Fury was ruined by a cat.
»The DCEU obviously has a very long way to go«
- wow, you seem to be optimistic about the DCEU being around much longer...
Well, this video was made a year ago... had I made it now, I certainly would have worded things much differently
When a talking tree saying “we are groot” makes you cry more than a whole cinematic universe ever did you know they did something wrong
There was a time that I thought every superhero movie is exactly the same.
MCU kept surprising me and each time I thought, 'this can't get any better' only to be proven wrong.
I literally grew to love these characters like they're my friends, especially Tony and Thor.
Now I find it extrely hard to say goodbye.
I knew him since I was just 13 and now he's gone :(
I love the MCU and their Heroes adventures, MCU forever and forever, 100 years, MCU's and things! MCU heroes running around and saving the day... MCU! All day long, forever... all- a hundred days! MCU forever a hundred times, Excelsior!
Once again Dave I'm in awe as to the work you put in to your channel and videos, like you say the build up is the key... and the pay off is worth the effort, well done sir.👍😀👍
Thanks so much, Alan! Greatly appreciated as always 😀😀
Very passionate about my channel and content, and the response I get is always the best bit -- keeps me motivated!
I would definitely put the MCU up there with Star Wars Ep#4,5, and 6, along with LOTR/Hobbit, DKT, and the majority of the Bond films.
And Avengers: Endgame has matched & exceeded Infinity War's record as well.
*I love that more people are becoming Marvellites.*
It was always this way. DC had its comic universe first. Marvel were brash upstarts with their more character-based, relatable, and flawed characters... but they stole the crown for a reason. Now we've seen it's the same with movies. History repeats itself.