Did Underworld: Evolution Work?

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  • Опубліковано 21 лис 2024

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  • @BetterWithBob
    @BetterWithBob  6 місяців тому +14

    Sorry guys, something I missed in my research - Underworld was originally planned as one long script but then got split into two, so Evolution is basically the second half of what was first written.

    • @J_Mock92
      @J_Mock92 2 дні тому

      I was just about to say that, but then realized that you commented it yourself lol. I think if movies worked the way they do today, the first two entries of Underworld might've worked better as one 2.5-3 hour long script (that's essentially the length of all the Marvel movies and stuff) instead of 2 standalone movies, but it was so much less common for movies to be more than 2 hours in the 2000s.

    • @J_Mock92
      @J_Mock92 2 дні тому

      Just the structure and stuff. The first movie was great. The second movie was good (in my opinion), but there was quite a bit of "filler," and I think that most of the second movie could've essentially been the "third act" of a longer movie, with some of the scenes put back in the "second act" (before/during the final act of the first movie) to set up the finale with Selene and Marcus.... Does any of that make sense? Lol

  • @JohnWilliams-cr2sz
    @JohnWilliams-cr2sz 9 місяців тому +52

    As someone who loves the entire Underworld franchise, this video was a delight.

  • @charlespuruncajas9663
    @charlespuruncajas9663 9 місяців тому +14

    I think the biggest mistake in the sequel was killing Kraven so quickly and murdering Andreas too soon. Two of the best side characters gone

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому +7

      Yeah murdering Tanis seemed so unnecessary

  • @alejandrothanhle5306
    @alejandrothanhle5306 5 місяців тому +5

    I think Evolution is the movie that closed out the storyline of the 1st Underworld. It’s completed Selene’s life story from the past with Viktor, that connected to the present with Marcus and her future is free from her purposes and just havign Michael with her.

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  5 місяців тому +3

      It was apparently originally just the second half of the first movie's script

    • @alejandrothanhle5306
      @alejandrothanhle5306 5 місяців тому +1

      @@BetterWithBob i watched it so many times and i think Evolution is Greater for me. The storyline is more savage, sexy, guns blazing, and it was her freedom evolution from Viktor’s malicious plan. So good 😛😋😋🤌🙈🍑💕

  • @Goldman200
    @Goldman200 9 місяців тому +14

    I agree, they needed more interesting secondary characters and probably not kill Marcus and William so quickly. Rise of the Lycans is really good. And I'm interested in hearing your thoughts about Awakening and Blood Wars!
    You already nailed what happened to Michael. I mean, his fate in Awakening and Blood Wars was innevitable after what they did with him in Evolution.
    And Blood Wars having some little connections to Viktor and Amelia was a nice touch but not enough.

  • @comentedonakeyboard
    @comentedonakeyboard 9 місяців тому +10

    Eight words
    Kate Beckinsale in that skin tight leather suit😂

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому +2

      I think skintight is one word so you got it in seven

    • @comentedonakeyboard
      @comentedonakeyboard 9 місяців тому

      @@BetterWithBob well ok thats seven
      can we count the Emoji so i can still pretend to be right

  • @GingerZombie29
    @GingerZombie29 8 місяців тому +4

    They could make another prequel or a prequel series about the hunt for William.
    Markus, Viktor and Amelia in the 1200s. I am sure many people would love that.
    That opening is the best part of the movie.

  • @TheRetroBassist
    @TheRetroBassist 9 місяців тому +8

    So, I'm a fan of the Underworld franchise. I've watched the first three movies at the cinema and this one in particular I watched with my girlfriend at the time, which would later also become the mother of my only son, so I have a few good memories relating to this movie and the franchise as whole.
    Earlier today I watched your video on the first movie and I wanna say thank you for these video essays. I'm really looking forward to your analysis of the third movie, because I also didn't like it at the time and totally changed my opinion about it when I rewatched it a couple of years ago.

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому +3

      Aww thank you for your comment. It made me smile like a big stubbly schoolgirl

  • @satyasyasatyasya5746
    @satyasyasatyasya5746 9 місяців тому +9

    The Underworld movies are a classic example of what I keep seeing which is a kind of upper-mid tier franchise that could have been actually really good with some foundational and structural changes. A little edit here and there, a little re-write, slightly different directing, and it'd be great.
    I can take the movies for what they are, but I'm always watching movies like these like a teacher grading homework and making notes, than truly getting lost in them and enjoying it fully.

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому +3

      Besides the first I'm the same tbh

  • @mildlydazed9608
    @mildlydazed9608 9 місяців тому +11

    Absolutely. The Weremanbat of Marcus stuck with me then Skyrim came out and let you be one.

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому +1

      Hmm Skyrim sounds intriguing

    • @mildlydazed9608
      @mildlydazed9608 9 місяців тому +1

      @@BetterWithBob in the Dawnguard DLC of Skyrim it lets you become a vampire lord which has the batlike wings and face similar to Marcus. Can't play it without choosing vampire still lol

  • @poloshirtsamurai
    @poloshirtsamurai 5 місяців тому +3

    1:33 Seeing more of Zita Görög being a badass vampire knight is always another reason to rewatch it.

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  5 місяців тому +3

      She's very compelling in the part despite not a lot of screen time

    • @poloshirtsamurai
      @poloshirtsamurai 5 місяців тому +3

      @@BetterWithBob Yeah, wish they did more with with her. She caught my eye in the first movie and happy she appeared here too.

  • @cjkalandek996
    @cjkalandek996 9 місяців тому +2

    For me, the one thing that held this movie back from being truly great (or, as great as a movie like this could be) was it needed a stronger arc for Michael. Because he just made a major life change at the end of the first movie and it's like he's partially unfazed by it. Not to mention the bad guys of the movie are his ancestors, so you'd think he'd feel something about that. But there was just a little too much focus on Selene.
    But it's still a fun movie for me.

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому +2

      Yeah that's a very good point. It could have been an interesting source of conflict

  • @superdani152003
    @superdani152003 9 місяців тому +3

    I know I might seem like a broken record, but your videos bring me so much joy❤❤❤

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому +1

      Never 😊and thank you very much 😊

  • @bernadmanny
    @bernadmanny 9 місяців тому +6

    There should have been more Erica.

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому

      Agreed XD

    • @tompearce5418
      @tompearce5418 9 місяців тому +1

      She was probably slaughtered by Markus along with the rest of the vampire civilians. (Ironically the coven's Death Dealers were fighting the Lycans on the far side of the city, meaning that Markus mostly killed the Vampires who'd let themselves go soft. The Death Dealer army would have had to scramble for safe houses and finish clearing out the tunnels to make them safe as a shelter from the sun once they realised that the mansion was gone).

    • @bernadmanny
      @bernadmanny 9 місяців тому

      @@tompearce5418 🙈🙉🙊 What's that I can't hear you.

  • @KeyBladeMaster-Dan
    @KeyBladeMaster-Dan 9 місяців тому +6

    Can't wait for the Rise Of The Lycans video it's easily my favourite in the series ^__^

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому +4

      Writing the script for it is quite fun at the moment XD

  • @danieldejesusfigueredoorop1428
    @danieldejesusfigueredoorop1428 9 місяців тому +9

    Rise of the Lycan's is the best of all movies, and pretty tightly contained, too. A shame they never changed the flash back scene in the first to match up that one. But first one was held back by budget, they did a good job with it anyways.

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому +13

      They did actually. In the 2017 remaster, they edited in the scene from Rise of the Lycans over Michael's flashback

    • @Justitia_Nomen
      @Justitia_Nomen 9 місяців тому +3

      @@BetterWithBob They did?! I need to see the remaster!

    • @charlespuruncajas9663
      @charlespuruncajas9663 9 місяців тому +2

      ​@@BetterWithBob yeah, Rhona Mitra's acting was so underrated

  • @marocat4749
    @marocat4749 9 місяців тому +5

    Thats a good idea, having craven bent on having a revenge against slene and that playing into sending people after herand bubling to the finale, could be fun, and probably what the movie needed. He can still bie killed by marcus but at the end.
    Oh and michaels struggle and having lycans tricked by craven to attack them to become allies through michael dealing with whom e he has become would have been just good minor notes helping.

  • @Joshjoshomg
    @Joshjoshomg 9 місяців тому +4

    I saw Evolution before I saw the first one. Im a Blade man lol. Underworld Evolution is my favorite out of the entire franchise. The action....enough said. It wasn't over done it was just enough.

  • @peeweemaroske8619
    @peeweemaroske8619 9 місяців тому +3

    Underworld Evolution is without a doubt not only the best Underworld sequel.
    But the best Underworld movie period. It's everything a sequel should be. It built upon the greatest of the first one and made it even better.
    Just like what Terminator 2 Judgement Day did for The Terminator.
    This is the only Underworld sequel where we see Scott Speedman coming back as Michael Corvin and exploring his Hybrid power. Like getting impaled through the heart and a few hours later.
    He just comes back to life and just jumps from a helicopter and shoves hand clean through a Werewolf and just pulls back.
    Then he grabbed and ripped the top half of the head of William Corvinus the first and most powerful Werewolf ever with his bare hands.
    Who is also ironically Michael's ancient Grand Uncle. It's also where we get see where Michael Corvin and Selene give in to their romantic feelings for each other.
    Also this the one where Selene becomes the first Vampire who can stand in the sunlight. Just like a Human.
    This movie also gave us a the true reason why Victor killed her family. Not just because he was a vampire and he wanted to feed on humans.
    But he wanted to prevent Marcus from freeing William. I love that. A villian killing people for a reason you can understand but not 100% agree with.
    Unlike future villians who just kill for the sake of killing. Like Marius killing Michael. Even Marcus had a good reason for killing Michael.
    Because he was the only thing between him and Selene.
    Such awesome stuff. I'm still pissed 😡 off that other movies especially Underworld Blood Wars just shoved Michael to the side.
    Did not go further exploring his powers and his relationship with Selene. Because they are favourite fictional couple.
    This is why I pray 🙏 3 times a day for an Underworld 6 with Scott Speedman and Kate Beckinsale back as Michael Corvin and Selene. Giving their characters the happy ending they deserve.
    Like getting married and being a family with their daughter Eve Corvin. Michael becomes the new leader of the Lycans.
    Michael can still be alive. Because if you can come back to life after being impaled through the heart.
    Then a cut to the throat should be no problem. Plus Scott Speedman said he would love to come back if it's a big and important role.
    Anyway. Underworld Evolution definitely worked. Because not only is it my favourite Underworld movie. But it's my favourite movie of all time. With Underworld (2003) being my second favourite.
    I only wish I could have seen these movies in the theatre. But I didn't the Underworld franchise existed until after Underworld Awakening came out.
    Even then I wasn't that interested. But my dad bought the trilogy case. I thought I give it a try. After watching the first. I demanded to watch the second right after.
    I absolutely fell in love with this franchise. Now the first 2 are my favourite movies of all time. As a matter of fact I had to more 3 copies each for both of them.
    Because I kept watching and I couldn't get enough. So yeah Underworld Evolution for me gets a 10/10, 5/5 and a A+. I absolutely love it.

    • @steven6979
      @steven6979 7 місяців тому +1

      Evolution is one of my all time favourites. Never get sick of watching it.

    • @brentarellano46
      @brentarellano46 2 місяці тому +1

      Thank you, these other people be tripping

  • @angelvasquez1592
    @angelvasquez1592 9 місяців тому +4

    Yes this is my favorite one

  • @tvdualwaysandforever148
    @tvdualwaysandforever148 9 місяців тому +4

    I love your video. Could you make videos like "why season 3 of Buffy The Vampire Slayer is a perfect season" or "why season 6 of Charmed doesn't work" . In short, videos like the one you did on season 2.

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому +2

      There were plans for some like that but sure we'll see

    • @angelaholmes8888
      @angelaholmes8888 9 місяців тому +1

      Totally agree with you about buffy seaseon 3 and charmed season 6

  • @ChrisTheAspergerGuy
    @ChrisTheAspergerGuy 9 місяців тому +1

    I still gave the video a like, but I can't say I agree with most of your criticisms, although I get where you're coming from. For me, this one is the best in the franchise. The action scenes are better, it furthers the lore in a really cool way, we meet some cool new characters, it explores more of Selene's past, and the story overall was better paced. And I also would very much love to see a director's cut if it exists.

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому +1

      Sure differing opinions are part of what makes life beautiful XD

  • @playedspades
    @playedspades 9 місяців тому +1

    Viktor is one of Bill Nighy's best performances (not to say the best movie he was in) and the prolog to Evolution is one of the best scenes of that performance. "What's this ruckus!?" is one of those lines that has stood out in my brain since the first time I heard it. Even out of context, the tone and cadence is immediately commanding and ominous. And it's really too bad he's playing against Borlly in that scene. I take that example as a microcosm for all of Underworld. Some of the best stand out moments in all of cinema, with a lot of flaws along the way.

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому

      Interesting analysis 🤔

    • @tompearce5418
      @tompearce5418 9 місяців тому

      That opening line established Viktor as the patriarch of the Vampire clan.

  • @gimlym6641
    @gimlym6641 7 місяців тому +1

    Honestly Evolution is my favourite entry in the whole franchise. I love the first two, but this one especially. But have a thumbs up anyway!

  • @angelaholmes8888
    @angelaholmes8888 9 місяців тому +1

    Underworld evolution is my favorite film in the franchise i really enjoyed the action and the story Marcus was truly a good villain to me both kate and Scott also were good I'm still not happy how they wasted Michael potential in the later films because he was a unique character

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому +1

      Agreed on the last point Angela :)

  • @TheChaosTerminal
    @TheChaosTerminal 5 місяців тому

    Please do Underworld Awakening, by far probably one of my personal favorites in the series. Great video!! 🥰

  • @SanneARBY
    @SanneARBY 9 місяців тому

    I’m so excited to see video essays on Underworld!!! My favourite franchise ever thank you! Loved this ❤❤ I am of the opinion that Evolution is a perfect sequel, and I consider the first three movies to be a solid trilogy of sorts!

  • @lorinctoth9402
    @lorinctoth9402 8 місяців тому +1

    5:33 Hungarian text spotted wooooo!!! 🥳🥳

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  6 місяців тому

      I think that's the closest confirmation to where Underworld takes place, since the first film seemed to try and leave it vague, even though it was filmed in Budapest

  • @Jordyb33123
    @Jordyb33123 8 місяців тому

    I was so excited for this sequel after the first and was underwhelmed. This has perfectly articulated why but also justified why I seem to have rewatched it more than once… Kate beckinsale is still my dream girl so can’t help loving that scene….

  • @anandalucas9778
    @anandalucas9778 9 місяців тому

    The first 2 for the most part are great imo, I also really like rise of the lycans, the last couple of underworlds r a bit meh, but I don’t hate them at all the franchise even if there r some issues is just awesome as a whole and always enjoyable to sit down and watch for me, I used to love the second one a lot and I still do but I have a new appreciation for the first, I love it more and more as I got older, the second I have a funny memory from it, it wasnt a forgettable movie at all honestly I enjoyed the whole thing, but basically the first one is pg13, I think, at least that was always the version I saw of it, the second I saw in theatre’s and it was rated R, I thought I was 12 but I guess I was like 6 or 5, idk, I remember seeing it in theaters but I don’t remember being that young, the violence is whatever cuz I saw the first one and even the swearing was whatever, but y’all know what happens in the second one, Selene and Michael get busy, my sister is a year younger than me and like I said I really don’t remember us being this young, but because the theater was so packed and my mom hadn’t seen the movie yet either we were all very surprised, we just had to sit there, I started counting on my fingers cuz I didn’t feel right watching it, my mom tells me she felt so guilty about it, but she didn’t know, she should’ve cuz it was rated R, but that was our thing whatever movie we wanted to see, or whatever movie my mom would take us to we saw, we always saw the newest movie when they came out, it’s funny now but it was very awkward back then

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому

      There is an R-rated extended version of the first but it's not that much more explicit

  • @jeremy123577
    @jeremy123577 9 місяців тому +1

    Looking back at the series you are right about have the story about selen and Micheal being on the run as the bases for the movie but also I wanted more amelia after seeing her in evolution but also her son shows up in the rest of this franchise

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому +1

      Amelia really deserves a prequel

    • @jeremy123577
      @jeremy123577 9 місяців тому +1

      @@BetterWithBob just those few scenes in the into of her were pretty good then got killed off screen in the first one

  • @mickeyhart7507
    @mickeyhart7507 8 місяців тому +1

    I mean... like... 85% of your complaints aren't wrong, and the other 15% I disagree with for my own interpretation, preference and aesthetic reasons... but I'm sorry, I can't help it. This one's still my favorite Underworld movie because the things it does well that I truly love just hold it up for me, like the prologue, delving more into the legend, mythology, and history of the lycans and vampires, getting to meat Corvinus and Marcus who I thought were both really interesting characters even if that may have been my brain filling in the gaps with its own thoughts, and the romance between her and Michael is just so warm and genuine and doesn't have ANY BULLSHIT throughout the ENTIRETY OF THE FILM. Much like the Mummy Returns, ANY sequel movie that has the couple who got together in the previous film STAY together without any weird (insert melo-drama here) tropes is going to win 200+ brownie points with me because it sadly is just SO damn rare.

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  8 місяців тому +1

      To each their own :) thank you for watching :)

  • @everettparker1313
    @everettparker1313 6 місяців тому

    This was an Incredible Masterpiece for Underworld Evolution. Underworld Evolution is My Third Favorite Movie in The Underworld Film Series. I definitely agree it’s not a Perfect Film but it’s a Fun Movie. I Truly wish that there was a Prequel Film for The Corvinus’s Family.

  • @Justitia_Nomen
    @Justitia_Nomen 9 місяців тому

    This was excellent. Rise of the Lycans was probably the best besides the very first. Ok, maybe better than the first. A shame that one lycan, Raze, was killed in the first film but in RotL he had much more screen-time.

  • @marocat4749
    @marocat4749 9 місяців тому +3

    #release the wisemancut

  • @Nyctm91
    @Nyctm91 8 місяців тому

    Excited for this series of videos on the underworld franchise! Great vid

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  6 місяців тому +1

      Working on the Rise of the Lycans one right now XD

  • @CM-di1oz
    @CM-di1oz 9 місяців тому

    I’m excited for the rise of the lichens video, honestly probably my favorite movie in the franchise

  • @ricky9451
    @ricky9451 9 місяців тому

    Underworld 1 was so great i wish studios took it more seriously

  • @AmaanHasanDilawar
    @AmaanHasanDilawar 9 місяців тому

    It's not about budget for color grading.

  • @robertsmiley2207
    @robertsmiley2207 9 місяців тому

    Rise of the lycans was my favorite Underworld unpopular opinion I didn't really like evolutions in it's entirety I like certain parts of it like the very beginning flashback with Marcus and Victor and the stuff with the cleaners and Alexander Corvenus

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  6 місяців тому +1

      Rise of the Lycans video is on its way ^_^

  • @dominiqueodom3099
    @dominiqueodom3099 8 місяців тому

    Can i just say ive had a major problem with this film ever since i saw the ending?
    I distinctly remember a scene where she has to be hidden in a blanket and Ship Storage Container to avoid the sun as a Vampire,only for after the Deaths of all the Original vampire Founders shes seen standing in the sun with no damage. Only for everyone of the Sequels to never adress that.

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  8 місяців тому

      She drank from Alexander Corvinus and that gave her immunity to it. She had to drink from him to become strong enough to defeat Marcus

    • @dominiqueodom3099
      @dominiqueodom3099 8 місяців тому

      @@BetterWithBobI'm just confused on them not addressing it after evolution

  • @kermidiu4390
    @kermidiu4390 9 місяців тому +2

    I can see why you and other people might not have the highest opinion of Underworld Evolution, but I still think it holds its own.

  • @Zed-fq3lj
    @Zed-fq3lj 7 місяців тому +1

    Good sequel, with the original it forms a perfect duology. The third, the prequel was also good, but the 4th and the 5th were utter rubbish!

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  6 місяців тому

      I haven't rewatched the latter two in ages, so perhaps I might like them more

  • @robertsmiley2207
    @robertsmiley2207 9 місяців тому

    I was okay with kravens death 💀 at the beginning of the film 🎥 that's not one of my issues with this movie 🍿

  • @angelaholmes8888
    @angelaholmes8888 9 місяців тому

    Would you ever do videos on interview with the vampire film or the tv series or the mayfair witches show 🤔

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому +1

      I haven't watched the series but the film is a possibility

    • @angelaholmes8888
      @angelaholmes8888 9 місяців тому

      @@BetterWithBob you need to watch the tv series it's so good season 2 airs in may

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому +2

      @@angelaholmes8888 oh I will have to check it out :)

  • @LilMissDiscord
    @LilMissDiscord 9 місяців тому

    Are you doing a Snow White: A Tale of Terror video?! Please do it!!!

  • @reneedailey1696
    @reneedailey1696 10 днів тому

    I found the romance to be the weakest element.
    Beckinsale and Speedman had ZERO chemistry, and even as a teen who loved this movie, their love scene took me out of it entirely.

  • @rudieopperman4388
    @rudieopperman4388 27 днів тому

    This film is the perfect ending to the trilogy. Nothing wrong with this film. Yes, it did work. Awakening was a major disappointment and Blood Wars killed of Michael so I will never forgibe that. I pretend that Awakening and Blood Wars do mot exist.

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  25 днів тому

      I think most fans would agree with you lol

  • @Jaymako0829
    @Jaymako0829 9 місяців тому +1

    Yes and no love the movie regardless.🙏🪬🧿💙😊

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому +1

      It's a mixed bag lol

    • @Jaymako0829
      @Jaymako0829 9 місяців тому +1

      @@BetterWithBob it sure is it had so potential and im still mad 😠 that Michael was killed off in future installments after hyping him up and also unpopular opinion the actor should of been replaced i think how this movie franchisees dead off.

    • @BetterWithBob
      @BetterWithBob  9 місяців тому +1

      @@Jaymako0829 Yeah it seems to be that Scott Speedman wanted to leave and possibly they thought David and Selene could carry it

    • @Jaymako0829
      @Jaymako0829 9 місяців тому

      We wanted more good story with the hybrid lycan form and how strong they can grow also why didn't the big werewolf and his father become hybrids like Michael if they where taking eve covin blood which should be at its purest form or they need to be bitten blood directly is more purer than a bite.