ram 1500 8 speed transmission oil change service - ZF 8 Speed - 8HP 45 70 90 - DIY & SAVE over $1500
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- "UPDATE just did a 1,100 KM trip and the transmission shifts smoother than ever!!"
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Change your ZF 8-speed transmission fluid and filter.. save up to $1500.
I would highly recommend you change the fluid and filter in this truck as the manufacturer recommends it between 80-120,000 KM.
RAM says this fluid is lifetime...whatever that means... Pick up the filter and fluid here.
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I know this video is going on 2 years old but I had to post this. With the aid of the info given here I changed the fluid on my 2016 Ram 1500 with the 8 speed transmission. I am 69 years old and after 50 years of construction work my shoulders are worn out . The worse part of changing fluid was putting the bolts/screws into the new pan. I probably watched every channel on changing fluid but I sure liked this one the best. It's been about 500 miles since the change and I just pulled my 4000 pound travel trailer with the vehicle mentioned above from an elevation of 1200 feet to 7400 feet in a couple hours here in Arizona. At times the tach was up to 5K rpm but all went well and tranny shifted as smooth as silk. Thank you!
No worries Ray glad it helped. I would recommend using a tiny little impact gun to snug the bolts up but these damn plastic pans... scary hahahah. Cheers.
I bought a 19 Ram 1500 with the hp70. I was looking around for the transmission dipstick and noticed, to my disbelief, there is none. I do all my own oil change and service. So this video definitely clears up some questions I was afraid to ask the dealer. But $1500 bucks for that service? Yeah they can honk on Bobo
sorry I had to delete the other video there were some uhgg... spelling mistakes. LOL Hey, im just a tradesman after all! Feel free to post any questions ill be happy to help.
So grateful for the knowledge. Dodge/Jeep/Ram dealers refuse to touch these in my area. Lifetime fluid my ass 😂. Time to gather the stuff to do it myself.
thats right ! im going to be doing my second. 300,000 KM on her now.
Thanks for the practical demonstration with the checklist of how to do the transmission fluid / filter change. I love your sense of humour. Use a wrench and read a thermometer. One observation on the temperature from C to F. A little trick to remember. 20 C = 68 F. 30 C = 86 F. (10 degree rise from 20 to 30 - - reverse the F numbers - 68 F 86 F). 40 C = 104 F.
Thanks Dave. Keep an eye out I'm doing a pretty much full suspension rehab on the front end coming soon.
@@GilbertGardens yeah my front end is about trashed also...
already did the shocks, control arms, and sway bar links...
im really hoping that'll get me by for a while. 🙄
@@stevejennings6657 what brands did you go with ?
Great video! I'm due to service my trans as I am at 125,000 miles. I was quoted $1000 US at a local dealer so it looks like I'm doing it myself. Very helpful video, thank you.
How'd it go ? About to do my second at 280,000 km
@@GilbertGardens I replaced the plastic pan with a PPE aluminum pan. It went pretty easy. I used Valvoline Maxlife Multivehicle atf. I got about 4.5 to 5 qts out and due to the larger pan used 7 qts to fill. I raised the rear to level the trans. Next fluid change should only be $100 including trans filter. I did notice smoother shifting once I changed fluid. I was definitely overdue.
Thanks for the video - very well done, as are all your others. I purchased my fluid through Amsoil (who were very helpful) and an aluminum finned pan, a bit larger than the original & with a replaceable filter from an Alta supplier (believe they're called Cdn Diesel). Took my 2014 eco diesel (150k kms) to my mechanic who did the change & installed the new pan. He talked about having to change the torque converter fluid separately which I was surprised to hear. When I was younger I would have done this myself, and your videos make it very tempting - but in my late 60's I find it generally works out best to watch my mechanic, who is happy to use my provided supplies and charge me labour. Thanks again for your videos which I find all most informative & enjoyable.
Appreciate the kind words. Yes I enjoy doing the work myself now while I'm still able to. Nothing wrong with hired help though . Yes there is still fluid trapped in the torque converter for sure. I think getting most of it out and changing the filter and magnets will improve the life of the transmission quite a bit. I'll be doing this service every 100k now. I'm on my sport bike all summer so I've been keeping the km's low on the truck so I won't do this service for another year or two for sure. Thanks for popping by.
May I ask where you got your aluminum pan from? I'll add it to the title for more options.
@@GilbertGardens Yes; it came from Canadian Diesel Online (xdcsales@gmail.com) Item # PPE 228053010. Price was $390 Cdn plus $25 shipping (plus HST). Expensive, but hopefully only a one time purchase.
@@GilbertGardens from other things I've seen/read the brand is PPE...
Great video Gilbert!! Did the service on my truck... Easy to follow and great explanations! Thanks so much!
No worries happy to help out. I have a bunch of suspension work coming up. She's riding rough . Lol
Thank you, just ordered the filter/pan, and I have the fluid on hand.
Great video! Good talking, not much just looking at something we can't see. I especially like that you take off the fill bolt so we know we can refill it. I have some advice to better service the transmission. Shifting to reverse backflushes the filter. So shift to reverse for 5 seconds to backflush the solids out of the filter, but not too long because you want the solids in the pan. Drain the fluid from the plug bolt and fill with new. Start the truck and run in forward for 20 seconds and then reverse for 5 seconds. Drain the transmission fluid again. Now, after much of the solids are removed, install the new pan. Fill the transmission, empty, and refill. Some people use the Lucas transmission additive. I have never seen a negative about it. I have read where the Valvoline ATF meets manufacturer recommendations. At $6 a quart that saves a lot of money over $17 for Amsoil. I remember when Amsoil started. They had a booth at the Texas State Fair. There were two devices with gears and a crank to show how Amsoil would make its way to the top gear. i knew this test was bogus so I reversed the direction of the crank for the other oil and it made it to the top as well. Amsoil, Royal Purple, etc are not worth the extra money. Shell T6 for diesels and Mobil 1 for gas cars is the way I go.
I believe you need to make sure your transmission is level bye lifting your rear axle. I think that's why you put more fluid in it then you expected. I am not trying to be a arm chair quarter back just trying to help.
No problem. I so have a leveling kit in my truck it sits pretty level ? I'll about to do this service again at 320k so I'll give your idea a shot and compare. Cheers.
Ya a levelling kit just levels the body not the drivetrain. I seen some guys raise the rear and put a level along the transition and raise the rear till it is level. Cheers I really appreciate your videos.
Big help man ! Thanks I’m going to do mine and go buy something cool with the money we didn’t give the dealer . Maybe gold
No worries 👍
Awesome video that helped me out lots I got 2019 ram classic 1500 with the 8 speed transmission I love the truck
Mine needs some front end work but after 245,000km . It is what it is.
Yo christopher does your ram buck when coming to a stop or leaving a stop?
Awesome videos, just for those curious and planning to keep your eco for a while PPEI and a few other aftermarket companies are making billet pans with replaceable filters in them. filters cost about 45CAD pan comes with filter on purchase at about 380ish CAD.
sorry I missed your reply after like a year LOL. Yes ive looked into the replaceable pans but with the cost of this filter and only needing to do the service every 80K or so I never bothered. Did you end up getting the pan?
@@GilbertGardens I ended up trading my eco for a 1500 duramax, so far been a great platform.
Nice job. The VW, BMW's also have a similar procedure. IMHO, since you went over the 80k miles, it would have been nice to do it twice (not the pan/filter), but just the fluid. Do the change like you did and drive it for 20 to 50 miles. Then, drain and refill. But, still nice job!
Yes it's almost impossible to get all the fluid out. There's still several liters trapped in the torque converter. I'll be doing the flush and filter again shortly. Cheers.
Doing mine now at 160,000kms. I have the exact same results with my 2018 eco diesel, Brown thickish fluid, lots of slime on the magnets in the pan. Glad I pulled it early to change it. Don't do alot of heavy towing mostly highway. Probably 80/20 highway city. I live in the London Ontario area, so same weather and roads etc.
Born and raised baby north east. Huron and highbury
No kidding. I went to Montcalm for highschool. I lived there from about 2000-2007
@@ThunderousCockget outta town. I graduated in 2007...I think.. hahahaha cheers.
@@GilbertGardens I'm long gone out of London, still live in the area though. Small world though. Great videos on the Ram maintenance, keep it up! 👍
Thank you, very easy to understand what your doing...Lining up parts for my Trans Service
Yeah buddy no worries good luck . Post if you got issues, lots of knowledgeable fellas here.
Nice video. Been thinking about this myself. I've got a bigger gut than you so it's going to have to go up in the air at least a foot or so. Anyway, couple months ago I had it at the dealer for some other work and asked them to "just check the fluid. Just take a small sample on paper towel and look at the color." After the service, I was given the statement "The technician doesn't recommend changing the fluid. Everything looks fine. It's filled for life. " spiel. When I pointed out the obvious that "lifetime" isn't defined and my warranty was due to run out in about 11k miles, she just gave me the I know what your are saying but I can't say anything else look. I really like her but her hands are tied.
Anyway, even ZF doesn't recommend "lifetime" but that only make the transmissions. FCA warranties them.
yeah most techs have not done this service. Sure for us in Canada its lifetime fluid...upto 100,000 KM once the warranty is done and the transmission fails your out several 1000's. FCA can say what they want but at the end of the day wouldn't you trust the people who MADE the transmission? This exact transmission is in rolls Royce and high-end BMWs. its a VERY good transmission. BMW and rollys Royce don't say lifetime warranty. they say 80-120K. Not sure why budget FCA would recommend otherwise.
also yeah its a tight squeeze. ramps and two jacks wouldnt be a bad idea. Thanks for watching
Thank you sir I’m about to do the 2nd hand ram 1500 v8 that I bought it has 10900 mile age, the previous owner never done or service the transmission fluid change.
Hi, regarding the temp, I thought it was 30c for the transmission temp, not the engine temp.... just trying to clarify, thanks for the vid...... and btw I did my first drain and fill at 50,000 km... now time for a complete change with the pan.
yes You are correct thanks for pointing that out Im also due for another flush in 15K or so. Cheers!
Great vid! Will need to do this on my ecodiesel soon.
very simple process. If I could do it over again I would start the process @ 30c. This transmission gets hot fast.
@@GilbertGardens It's that thermo-management valve that routes coolant to the transmission (or transmission fluid to the coolant ... which ever) it speeds up the warm up process on the transmission. It's purely thermo static (no electronics on it). A guy on the forums had an issue for 3 years before on a whim (and recommendation) he changed it out and now his truck runs much cooler on the trans temp.
@@phprofYT yes I was aware these trannys warm up via coolant to get upto temperature quickly. I just felt like that 10c window was kinda short lol. Good information.
@GilbertGardens the specs I read elsewhere said 30° - 50° (86°- 122°)...
Great job.... I’ll be referencing this for my charger scat pack. Good info, you made it look relatively easy. Thank you!
It's not bad. Even though I missed the temp window , you just kept it cool down and start again.
How has the trans worked for the last two years by using that fluid?? Great video btw
Perfect about to do another round of it this winter
@@GilbertGardens should mention that procedure requires the transmission to be level(at pan rails) not vehicle , as in the Rams the transmission sits at an angle and requires rear wheels to be raised off the ground to get it leveled.
Thanks, I'll be using this as a reference in a few more months when I service my 2016 Ram ecodiesel 8HP70. I was quoted $850 USD / $1127 CAD in Texas for just the fluid from the dealer so I'm be going with the Amsoil as I have seen everyone else doing. Should cost me $260 USD / $344 CAD using Amsoil and the Mopar filter from Rock auto.
Man definitely do it yourself. That's nuts. Thanks for watching.
Hey how'd the service go?
@@GilbertGardens hi I have 2014 grand cherokee with the same transmission... was just wondering i noticed in your description it says you need 6 liters of fluid but in the manual and jerp says you need just over 10 to get it done?
@@jonh2408 I believe that's a complete drain and fill. When you empty the transmission this way there is still fluid in the torque converter. This was how much I used. If you're worried I'd just get 10L and then you have some for the next service
@@GilbertGardens thanks for the quick reply... i live in bc and go to great canadian oil change... the guy there says they have fluid that meets spec for the zf 8. I have been nervous about doing it because there's alot of talk on forums about the risks of not using the oem fluid. Lately though there seems to more and more videos/info about people using other fluids with no problems. The guy at great canadian oil says there pump out - pump in machine will fully change all the fluid (even in the torque converter). The downside however is it has to be done simultaneously so there is no chance to remove the pan in between. So I guess its a choice of changing all the fluid (for $225 ca) but not changing magnets and filter... or changing half the fluid but getting a chance to inspect/change the magnets and filter. I wish there was a way they could pump out the old fluid first, then once empty drop the pan and install new one... then pump in the new fluid... but he says the machine doesn't work that way it exchanges as it goes.
Awesome vids man. I picked up an ecodiesel with 230k km. These vids have been nice intro to the service etc. Also, where do you pickup your amsoil products? Cant remember seeing them at Canadian Tire.
Cheers from London, Ont.
i was born and raised in london. North East. LOL. amsoil i ordered online.
I was told you have to use Mopar ZF 8 or 9 speed atf... Klondike oils says their oil is rated but no dealer here would guarantee the service without the Mopar fluid... And all the transmission shops said the same... They state the manufacture of the zf 8 speed requires the correct zf 8 speed oil...
yes that is true. only ZF would recommend their expensive fluid. I can tell you there are thousands of guys using different fluids in these transmissions and having great success. If you are under warranty I wouldn't be messing with aftermarket oils but if the warranty is up there is no reason to pay the outrageous price for ZF fluid. The choice is up to you though.
@@GilbertGardens Thanks for your video and shining some light on this . Its so hard to find truth out there and I guess you cant always blame the service techs at the dealers as they are simply following orders... Where have we heard that before ???
@@alwaysbeclosing6790 I mean i totally agree with them from a business point of view.. they want you to buy the product that they make for the transmission. Im sure the oil is top notch. But the reality is this oil works just as good and Ive yet to hear of a transmission failure from it. I just refuse to pay for it. Its like the OEM oil filters when they first came out... Im not paying 60$ for a $10 oil filter. I went and bought a 12 pack of EcoGuard filters on ebay like 6 years ago. Just using my last one now. 260,000km Why pay for the brand name?
Gilbert good video...
It made me subscribe 👍
Great video, very helpful. Thanks dude. 👍🏼
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I noticed you only raised the front of your pickup and not the rear to make it level, liquids run down hill check plug is at the rear making it low on fluid.
Sorry at what point did I lift the front up?
Some Manufacturers Call it lifetime fluid with a sealed transmission bullshit. I had an Astro van I changed the filter every 100k. And every 50k I would pump the fluid out through the dip stick and fill it again I did a lot of heavy towing
1. Raise and support the vehicle on a level hoist . Refer to HOISTING,
STANDARD PROCEDURE .
2. Start the engine. The engine must continue to run for the entire test.
3. Using a scan tool or the vehicle information center, verify that the
transmission fluid temperature is below 30°C (86°F).
4. Disable traction control (ESC).
5. Remove the fill plug from the right rear of the transmission case.
6. Add transmission fluid until it trickles from the fill opening.
7. Install the fill plug.
8. Lower the vehicle for access to inside of the vehicle, leaving the tires at least
8 inches off the ground.
9. With the brakes applied, place the transmission in Reverse and hold for 5
seconds.
10. Place the transmission in Drive and hold for 5 seconds.
11. Release the brakes, slowly accelerate to 2nd gear and hold for 5 seconds.
12. Apply the brakes and place the transmission in Neutral.
13. Raise the engine speed to 2000 RPM for 5 seconds.
14. Return the engine to idle and place the transmission in Park.
15. Remove the fill plug and allow excess fluid to drain from fill hole or add
fluid as necessary.
16. Install the fill plug.
17. Using a scan tool, clear any DTCs.
STANDARD PROCEDURE - TRANSMISSION FILL AFTER SERVICE
NOTE: A full transmission will have fluid at the fill hole with
the transmission between 30°C (86°F) and 50°C (122°
F). Do not over fill.
Sketchy to do on Jack stands but I suppose circulating the fluid through the gears with load on the engine would be a good thing. Definitely not DIY though.
@@GilbertGardens I believe that the torque converter is not self-draining. So this procedure is a method of Flushing fluid into the torque converter. Don't quote me on this. But you could imagine a flush and refill with this procedure being a more complete service then simple replacement of the fluid. However since this is the way ZF wants it done it's the way I will do it. Even if I do it on jack stands. I'm going to begin shortly here, I have a 3 liter pressure bleeder that I can use so maybe I will have to do three at a time or the initial fill followed by the technical procedure followed by whatever the heck I guess it takes after that.
The PDF that ZF had out just mentioned holding each gear for 10 seconds. This was awhile ago, maybe they require you to hoist it up now to put a small load on. Dunno. Personally for 99 percent of people doing this. Just change the oil every so often. These transmissions are solid and you shouldn't have any issues.
@@GilbertGardens I'm a stickler for the instructions. Especially if it's only done once in awhile. Then there's no regrets or open questions. I really dislike the lack of engineering that goes into scheduled maintenance like this. There should be an easy way to do this in a garage with a transmission filler neck and dipstick. Like anyone, I hate how cheap things have gotten and how hard they're working to privatize simple scheduled maintenance. A person should be able to Simply hook up to an inlet and Outlet to exchange fluid. It should be a 20 minute job.
The off the ground and let the tires move is a great debate. I have seen BMW tech videos where they state to keep your foot on the brake and cycle through the gears. I have seen others where you let the tires rotate. I honestly don’t know which is correct.
I did this service on my Grand Cherokee a few months ago and did not let the wheels turn but shifted through the gears etc...
oh bro.....you HAVE to use that special zf fluid on the 8 speed trucks. i think its like green or something. ive heard if you use regular atf you fuck it up something good. obviously youve already done this, have you had any issues?
It's not regular atf. It meets the ZF spec. I personally know dozens of people that use anything but that over priced ZF fluid. Pay the price if you want to it's your money. In terms of performance the trucks never been better.
Did you even watch the video ?
@@GilbertGardens I did actually. I think from beginning to end. You said it was in spec. I even went to the amsoil link in the description and tried looking for the specs but couldn't find em... not busting your balls bro, I was just under the impression that anything not zf would fuck it up. Trust me I'm not trying to pay 60 a qt/lt for that shit if I don't have to lol. Glad to hear it's running strong, for your sake and mine, mi amigo. Appreciate the vid. Be safe 👍
@@prestoisakilla813 it was the spec at one point. They might have removed it since. It happens. Sorry wasn't trying to be a dick either I just get so many guys on here regarding proper oil specs it gets crazy. I bet if you looked around you could find several different atfs that work in these transmissions. Lots of guys use the Lucas max life atf as well with no issues and it's even cheaper then amsoil. Cheers.
Awesome video
Thanks
Thanks buddy…
Other more precise vids on this shows you must run the trans through second gear and, the bypass valve could be closed which will really throw off your filling too low.
That's good to know maybe I'll roll under and check the fluid level next oil change.
Ok so you got me scared so I let the truck warm up to temp and removed the fill plug. I had fluid coming out slowly. I believe the fluid level is ok. Perhaps not running through the gears trapped whatever fluid was in there. Appreciate the concern.
@@GilbertGardensif your transmission was not level (transmission not the vehicle) fluid will flow out even when a bit low. Leveling the transmission requires the rear of the truck to be raised significantly...
@gerrymatheson4020 changed it three times over 320,000 km no issues. That's good info to know though. Thank you.
Your videos are very informative. I have one question regarding the Amsoil that you recommend for the tranny service. As far as I can see from the Technical data I can’t see the ZF transmission listed as suitable. However , Valvoline Maxlife lists the ZF8 transmission in its bulletin. Can you please help.
Sorry I missed your comment. This fluid works great.
Any concerns doing your own maintenance? Any warranty implications? I'm in Nova Scotia and the dealer said I had to go to a licenced mechanic to keep the warranty. Thanks for making these videos. I really liked the cost comparison video; that tipped the scales for me buying the Ecodiesel.
I would go back to the dealership with the truck manual and ask them to point out where it says if I do my own maintenace my warranty is void. Its my understanding that they have to prove that your negligence caused the failure to void the warranty. IE if im changing my transmission fluid and use non spec oil. Lets say you change your transmission oil and the engine blows up. Do you really think they will void the warranty? its unrelated. What you need to do is keep all receipts AND fill out the truck book at the proper intervals. For me im out of warranty anyways so it doesnt matter. For this service i would just wait till 100,000 KM anyways then the warranty is over anyhow.
I just did the first service on my mother in laws brand new 2019 kona. The video is on here. The service manager told me its totally fine as long as you use the proper parts and fill the book out. FCA should be no different
@@GilbertGardens, thanks for the information. I will definitely talk to the service manager at the dealership.
@@TheNovaNorm no worries thanks for spotting by
@@TheNovaNorm Good luck with that. Lol. Don't change it until after 100k km anyways, actually closer to 160k km. Well out of warranty by then no need to get frowny faces from the service manager asking permissions.
2015 ram 1500 8 speed with 156000 and guessing never been changed. Like other makes, I’ve heard if not sure if ever changed just leave it alone. Sealed. Don’t trust that strategy. Of course no fill tube on these so therefore no way to inspect except pull fill plug. What are your thoughts on these so called “sealed trans” ?
No issues so far but should I service anyway or is at 156000 too risky to create an issue
It absolutely needs to be changed. As per the manufacturer.
@@GilbertGardens ok apparently I need to change anyway. Some folks seemed to think servicing this late in game would cause slippage. Or is that more likely with a complete flush? Thanks so much for that quick response
Damn, is it really $1500 to change transmission fluid there in Canada? Had mine done at the dealer for just over $600.
well i imagine prices are going down .600 USD is 760 CAD. If I was the dealer id be buying cheaper fluid for sure. I havent called around for a quote in along time
@@GilbertGardens oh okay, gotcha.
8.8 quarts use ram ecodiesel on transmission
weird hear in usa just got quite for the dealer to to this exact work. $641.56 was the estament.
That's not too bad. Double check they have the right transmission.
Thanks so much!!!
Amsoil says DO NOT use our atf use only oem fluid ( zf lifeguard 8 ) which is the mopar stuff
Only thing else you can use is Liqui Moly top tech 1800 specifically made for zf 6 and 8 series transmissions
I called them about a year ago and they said its listed. maybe somethings changed since then. Either way my truck shifts smoother and everyone is using this fluid and Ive never heard of a transmission failure due to this oil.
From my email to Amsoil “Thank you for contacting AMSOIL with your question.
Both the ATL and OTL meet the required Mopar specifications for the ZF 8 & 9 speed automatic transmissions. Mopar updated the part number to their fluid, however, so the labels are going to show the old part number until a new label is made. Both fluids are recommended for these transmissions though.
If you have any other questions, feel free to contact us.”
About to do this servicing today, great video!
@@killaJ671 thanks for clearing that up. Had me sweating there hahahahaha.
Gilbert Gardens no problem, thanks again for this video!
Valvoline MaxLife ATF is also listed as a compatible fluid, lots of guys have thousands of miles on that fluid in this trans.
Great video. Question.... did you notice it ran better, same, worse?
Sorry it's so late. Ran better. Due fir another soon. 300k
I think I need to change my fluid I’m at 181,000 on my 2015 ram
Yeah... I'd say you're pretty close. Lol
Great video!! Did you check the fluid after running it for a few days?? Or just ran through the procedure and that was it??
no, I havent.. I mean its a good idea for sure. If I did notice anything out of the ordinary I would check it though. So far so good. Just about to hit 240,000 KM
@@GilbertGardens hi I was hoping to get your opinion/help... I planned to do a service on my grand cherokee with the 8hp70... I planned on doing a 4x drain and fill to try and get most of the fluid. My plan was to drain the the fluid cold... then replace the exact same amount of fluid... go for a quick drive around the block... drain the fluid again.... go for another quick drive (just enough to cycle through the gears and get the fluid in the torque converter) and then drain fluid and replace pan with new one... fill it up (according to the procedure) then drive and drain 1 last time. The problem is that I did my first drain and got about 4 liters out... but I was only able to put just shy of 3 liters back in... im very confused/concerned at the fact that I'm now short fluid. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
@@jdouglas7516 from what I can see not everyone seems to get the exact same fluid out...sounds crazy but happens. Sometimes more or less is trapped in the torque converter like you said. In theory I like your idea I would personally do the 4 fills over a course of say a year (if you are worried). Remember this was supposed to be "lifetime fluid". There's thousands of ecodiesels out there with original fluid and original good operating transmissions. It's your truck you can maintain it however you'd like. I'd clean the magnets each time if you go that route. Cheers.
@@jdouglas7516 I see this is an old post, but just ran into the same problem you described this past weekend. Try jacking up the rear of the GC and put some planks/2x4s under rear wheels to tilt the vehicle forward. I was able to put back 0.5 quart shy of what I got out. Is yours still okay?
is it not necessary to lift the truck ? To make sure the wheels can turn?
these instructions didnt call for it but Im sure it wouldnt hurt. Ill be doing my second service on this truck this coming winter.
Great video with easy steps. Only question I have is other videos show the truck being put in the air and running the transmission with the wheels spinning, however if you look at ZF instructions from Germany they do it as you did in this video. Is lifting the vehicle really necessary?
Absolutely not necessary and pretty dangerous if you ask me. For some reason... Some guys seem to think they know better then the manufacture. Try this method. You'll be fine. Thanks for the kind words. Cheers.
@@GilbertGardens One other question. Is it important for the car to be level or the transmission pan to be level? When my Jeep is level the transmission is still at an angle.
How many miles have you put on since the service and is everything fine I've been between if to use amsoil singnsture series like you used or just the oem fluid I've been leaning towards oem because i couldn't find anyone who has successfully used this fluid
Well I have 290K now. Doing another one at 300k . Runs mint
Funny how FCA says it's lifetime fluid. What are your thoughts that. Hello from Alberta
Its insane. We had a jeep compass with a CVT style transmission and they said the same thing. I checked with the manufacturer for that transmission and same thing... ram/ jeep are nuts.
I mean it makes sense they make money off break downs. Nothings really built to last anymore that's for sure.
hey. great vid. any chance you can provide a link to the obd gizo and app thingys???? thanx.
Yes I'll throw the one I use in the description
hey I updated it for ya. both USA and canada. Use the Torque Pro app in the app store.
Where did you get your fluid exchange pumps? (I’m in Toronto). Great video thanks. 🇨🇦👍🏼
man I bought mine online years ago. I went through my email a few times and I cant seem to find the website. sorry brother.
HDX is a Home Depot brand. Sprayer is 20CAD.
I have a 1500 Tradesman with gasoline with an 845re 8 speed. Seems like a pretty similar set up. Just did a diff service today and while I was under the truck started thinking about the transmission fluid. I pull heavy sometimes and I'm at 85,000 miles.136,700kms. So it's definitely time. Rock Auto is sold out of my pan/filter so have to wait on that.
Have you had any issues since your service?
Thanks for posting this video.
Thanks for watching! No issues at all with the transmission. Shifts smoothly and no leaks. Now that I've done it I'll be doing one every 100,000km or so. Cheers.
@@GilbertGardens good to hear. Thanks for the response
Is your truck a 6 cylinder?
Awesome video! I'm about to do this on my truck for the first time. Quick question - to clarify, once you've started the truck and got it to temp, you loosen the fill plug and only add if there is no dribble from it correct?
You should fill it up till it dribbles out. Insert plug. Get to temp range. Pull fill plug and it should start dribbling. Once it stops dribbling (within the temp range) you're good.
@@GilbertGardens i did all these steps after i did the gears and went to go check the fluid when i took plug out a lot of oil came out fast and al i lost a lot of oil and my temp for my trans was at 136/140 when i was doing the gears what did i do wrong and what do i do now since a lot of oil was lost can you tell me what to do next please and thanks
@@josecollazos6 as long as you have a small dribble at the proper Temps your good to go. Sounds like you might have originally over filled it a bunch. If you are worried you can always go for a short drive. Park it. Scan It and get the temp. Then pull the fill bolt (top) and make sure you have a small dribble. That will ensure fluids all through the system
Are you sure you didn't accidentally pull the drain bolt when checking the fluid at the proper temp ?
@@GilbertGardens my truck has the temp gauge so should i take it for a small drive first then park it let it cool down and check it at the right temperature? My main thing is not having enough florid in the transmission. When i was doing all the my temperature gauge said it was at 136/140 should i let the truck cool down and wait until it’s at the temperature it should be then take the fill plug out and see if it a small dribble ? Or what would you recommend be the best thing to do thank you 🙏🏽
10 Nm torque
thank you!
Hi I aslo live in Niagara Falls CND. Can I pay you to do it??
Sure I can give you a hand do you have the fluid and filter ? Shoot me a text 226 236 2307
Can i fill my zf8 speed transmission chrysler 300 with amsoil?because the mechanic tells me the amsoil not matching the spec?
If it's the same transmission it'll work fine.
Great video but it looks like you are using the wrong fluid. The colour gives it away
its not OEM thats for sure Works just fine. on my third flush now. 270,000KM spend the crazy money on OEM fluids if youd like though.
Valvoline Maxlife meets ZF fluid specifications for this transmission.
Please provide info d's the scan tool.
Its just a basic bluetooth scanner and the torque pro app for android.
Planning on Pulling our 22' Travel Trailer up in your area in June 2020 with our 2015 1500 Gasser. Outside of Niagara Falls, What else do you recommend seeing in the Toronto area? Wife wants to check out Algonquin Park.
Well of your adventurous. Take public transit downtown Toronto and spend a night downtown. You can take the GOtrain from Burlington and it will take you downtown. I don't recommend driving lol. I would travel to the Muskoka area and spend some time up there. We have tons of really nice lakes in Northern Ontario. Other then that there's not much more going on. You could hit the capital in Ottawa. I'm located in the small town of chippawa just south of niagara falls
Hi Gilbert, how has the transmission performed since your have changed the pan and oil.
Better than ever buddy just hit 245,000km
DO YOU HAVE A VID ON HOW TO DELETE THESE TRUCKS?
Negative I took it to a shop.
Can I add Lucas transmission additive to this transmission the 8-speed I'm going on a 5000 kilometre drive from One problems to another
I wouldnt recommend it. sorry for late response.
these are super solid transissions very low failure rate. I Would just change the oil and filter
I have 21DFL 845RE; TRANSMISSION, which fuild should I use S671090312 ZF? thanks
I have no idea you'd have to do a bit of research sorry buddy
Yes, that's the zf 8 speed transmission.
Will this work on ZF 8HP 50?
I have the 8 speed in my ram , it overheated from my varaam intake blocking the cooling system the dealer said. I think ita the bypass that got stuck . I have never had the issue before. If I lose a little trans oil from doing a bypass would it hurt ?
I wouldn't be too worried about a little bit. Really at the end of the day just buy 1 or 2 bottles of fluid. Get the truck to the proper temp for the service and open the top bolt. If nothings comes out then just add a little bit till it dribbles. Shouldn't be an issue.
Does the filter really need to be changed with the fluid at say 60k miles when the manuf says lifetime or sometimes 150k for everything? I change my wifes Accord fluid 4 quarts at a time, no filter change necessary.
Where did you see that the manufacturer said don't change filter (ZF is the manufacturer) ?? I would change both.
Manufacturer I believe said 60 or 80K in extreme towing or shortly after. I can't remember it's in the video.
@@GilbertGardens I didn't. For instance I buy XL oil filters guaranteed to last 15k miles. I go half that but you see the point. If your air filter is somewhat dirty but not nearly clogged up, you continue to use it.
@@Tbone0163 i would recommend doing the service to whatever the manufacture suggests. ill be honest I rarely hear of ZF 8 speed failures. These are solid transmission but its still a good idea to keep it in tip top shape like you mentioned. cheers.
I have a Chrysler 300C with the 8HP45, how has Amsoil treated you with that transmissions?
Great she's running smooth almost 250,000km now
is there a reason u went with amsoil instead of the 8 9 speed mopar fluid?
price. wayyyy cheaper
Did you run the truck to 90⁰ after doing the fill procedure? There's a cooler valve on the trans that will open and will change the fill level. I'd suggest rechecking after that.
The fluid level is only supposed to be checked at then suggested temperature. Checking it at 90 degrees would likely spill over as it expands quite a bit.
Yes you check between 30⁰-50⁰ as per ZF's service requirements and once you establish and initial fill level as you did in the video you then need to drive the vehicle up to 90⁰ to allow the trans cooler valve to open and cycle coolant through then go back and recheck levels at 30⁰ afterwards.
The ZF trans uses a combination double pass oil-to-air cooler located in the top of the AC condenser, you should make sure you recheck the level after the cooler valve has had a chance to cycle fluid on a new fill to ensure the levels are still correct.
@@codygorman691 oh I understand now. Let it open and close a few times and recheck st the proper temp. I suppose I could recheck now. Have you had the bypass valve fail or something?
@@GilbertGardens no sir, I just checked with a friend who works with ZF transmissions on BMW's and he's services a bunch, he recommended rechecking if the vehicle is equipped with any cooler operating on a thermostat/valve to ensure the system is at the correct level and fluid has circulated fully. I'm just curious if you recheck if you would be high or low by a substantial amount? Let me know if you do!
Hello my friend I just picked up the other day the pan from the dealership and I notice that the 4 magnets in the pan although they are in their position ( plastic pockets) in the pan they are a bit loose !!! Yours where the same?
you know what there was some play in the magnets. I wouldnt be worried buddy thanks for watching
I just purchased a 2020ram 1500 with the 8hp75 transmission. Would this process apply to my transmission. Thanks
If it's a fill and drain bolt like the 8hp70 it should be the same. The only difference I can see with 8hp75 is increased torque. Most new sealed transmissions lile these have the same procedure fairly close.
COULD A GUY HOOK UP HOSES TO THE TRANS LINES AND DO A COMPLETE FLUSH?
As long you can get the fluid out of the torque converter it would be pretty much flushed
Darn shame that what should be a simple fluid and pan change costs well over $1000. This should be no more than $300!!!
Agreed!
Dont you need a lift to do this properly? To have the vehicle accelerating in midair
Oh God no. You just put the truck in drive neutral and reverse with the parking brake set lol. Wheels chocked...i mean I guess you could put it on a lift but man that's dangerous.
Gilbert Gardens that sounds like a much better idea lmfao
What mileage should it be done at ?
I really think 80k miles ish. I'm at 290,000 KM and doing my second shortly
@@GilbertGardens I a video today that said the company that produces the transmission said it recommended 50,000 mile servicing. FYI
@John F. I can't remember the specifics but check out ZF 8 speed on their website. They lay it all out. There are some guys that never change the fluid so 50 to 80 would be alright I would imagine.
@@GilbertGardens ok, I changed mine it had approx 56,000 miles on it. Shifts smooth as silk.
When I bought my Ram truck the sales person said the transmission had lifetime oil that never had to be changed.
Yeah for some reason ram has been telling everyone that but ZF (the manufacture of the transmission) says otherwise. The exact same transmission in other brands calls for services around 120,000 km. It's all in the video.
I know this may sound really dumb but, when I look up the fluid and pan listed above site is saying it does not fit my truck. Any thoughts? Is there a difference between ecods and gas models?
Yes the Amazon link shows it doesn't fit but they do. If you search for that pan I listed it works with 8 speed ZF transmissions. Cheers.
@@GilbertGardens Thanks !
@@danshaw5315 NP holler if you have anymore questions.
10 NM not pounds. That’s 7.5 lb ft.
good catch! about to take mine off for a second service here in a bit ill let you know if any damage. cheers
Can i change it it at 176,000 kilos without any issues ?
of course. highly recommended.
same as the 2017 Challenger 8sp correct?
Yeah along as it's a zf transmission procedures the same.
@@GilbertGardens thanks for the fast reply! I put atf4 in my transmission any ideas how to flush out? I have 10qts of the right oil at the ready, please and thanks!
@@venomhemi3914 well I've never done a complete flush of the transmission. How long has it been in there?
@@GilbertGardens one day and I only ran the car for 5 minutes I only put four quarts of the wrong oil in and I have the Amsoil ATL ready to go
@@venomhemi3914 well unfortunately you'll have to do several flushes to get it all out as there will still be fluid in the torque converter. I would flush it and run it for a bit them flush it again. How many times I do not know. The dealer might have a better option for removing all the old fluid . Like I said I don't know many people that have done a complete flush of this transmission before.
amazon says it won't fit my 2015 ecodiesel
Double check some forums. It should work just fine.
Does it need transmission adaptation resetting after oil change?
Negative. I dont believe there is a counter for transmissions. I would do this service every 60 to 80K
@@GilbertGardens it's not just the counter. As the oil loses it's specifications after time computer regulates oil pressure inside transmission as required. When the oil is renewed settings has to be reseted they say
@@jeksona27 never heard of that and I called a few shops. So you hook a computer up to clear the counter ? How long till the counter lets you know to change the oil?
@@GilbertGardens counter never says that it's just for internal use. I was able to find transmission adaptation resetting for BMW 8hp40/70, software is giving that option. After reseted transmission starts to learn how to shift better. I couldn't find any good software for Jeep wk2 to diagnose and reset adaptation
@@jeksona27 thats good to know. I think your ahead of the dealerships around here lol.
what size is the tune that you used on the transfer pump
Which transfer pump? I don't follow. I have a 60hp celtic tune on the ECU. I believe its about 80 lbs of torque.
Gilbert Gardens I’m sorry I meant tube. What size tube did you use on the Home Depot transfer pump.
@@ryankite5285 oh I'd have to measure . It came with the hose attached. I want to say 1/2" ID. I'll check it this weekend
Gilbert Gardens great thank you . Did you just cut the sprayer off? Also what us the clip on the house you use to stop the fluid?
@@ryankite5285 This took forever to find in my emails but I bought 2 of these years ago www.cooltechllc.com/ford-gt-parts-accessories/70--cool-tech-llc-s-lube-mover.html They are basically a sprayer with the wand cut off. These ones come with the pinch off clip. They also have a pressure release valve that stops the fluid pressure when you fill up. Id recommend these
10 nm or 89 inch pounds.
Which is 7. 5 lbs roughly. Ten will do ya just fine.
Nice headlight downgrade…. Why are you using LED headlight bulbs? Only d bags run them. You’re basically running high beams ALL THE TIME…..
Thanks hahahahahah keyboard warrior. Honestly I just wanted white lights. I bought them 6 months after the truck I don't even think they had HID kits yet.
@@GilbertGardens neither HID or LED downgrades belong in that truck. If you don’t have the knowledge, skills or money to do an actual upgrade that won’t blind everyone else the road, leave them alone.
@@sjfk1306 you're mistaken these don't blind everyone else. These are basically the same amount of light as the stock, just white. Troll on brother.
@@GilbertGardens no troll or keyboard warrior here…. Just know what I’m talking about….. It’s obvious in your video how they glare…. Nice try though…. Do a retrofit if you wanna look cool.
@@sjfk1306 well you'd be the first person to ever mention it in about 6 years so I'm not too worried about it. Like I said they aren't even bright. Just changed the color. Anyhow I can't waste anymore time with ya pal. Appreciate the concern though.
MINE IS LEAKING AFTER A CHANGE OUT
The pan is leaking ?
@@GilbertGardens YES
I WILL HAVE TO TAKE IT OFF AGAIN
Be sure to stagger the bolts as you torque them. Very little foot pounds.
The seals on this pan are junk, mine seeps and leaks under heavy throttle. If the gasket squishes and bulges when you do final torque, it's garbage.
@@GarcBombersorry to hear that man Mines still holding up. I'm going to do another service this summer.
Wrong fluid 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
I know. Me and everyone else who used this fluid are having such problems with the transmission.... Lol. Troll on buddy. Happy holidays.
Guess what since this video was put out zf ok the use of valvaline multi ,maxlife for use in the zf transmission, this is no joke it's fir real, stop spending all that money on snake oil ,maxlife is a damn good transmission fluid I use and have been using since 2014 in my zf8...I even yelled it to the sky that it was ok to use but everyone was like zf says this......and zf says that .......well damnit ....I say maxlife hahahahhahahabahahajajaa
i hear good things as well
I'm a Mopar mechanic. Many things are WRONG. Why do dyi people make videos?
What's the many things wrong ?
Listen u don't need to do none of this shit....waste of time ...change when fluid is cold , drain and measure what came out ,replace exactly what u have taken out ...and that's all ...u don't need to do all these steps it's a sealed unit...u just out in what u have taken out ..and be done
super late reply. Yes that works as well. Ive done that on other sealed trannys before. This is the approved proper way to do it as per manufacture.