Baldwin broke ‘cardinal rules’ of gun safety in ‘Rust’ shooting, prosecutors say
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- Opening statements began in the involuntary manslaughter trial of actor Alec Baldwin, nearly three years after cinematographer Halyna Hutchins was fatally shot on the New Mexico set of the Western film “Rust.” #CNN #news
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Moral of the story: STOP using real weapons on movie sets. Simple. Lives saved. 💯
In this scenario, yeah - no real reason. If a scene calls for someone firing an automatic rifle, with shells spitting out of the ejection port, one could make a case for blanks. But with a single-action revolver, you can easily make the smoke electronically or even add it in post. I think this incident will make producers very wary of using actual firearms on sets.
I mean, or just don’t allow live ammunition on set.
@@keepingitreal5533 brooooo 🤣🤦♂️😂 read the case again vs Alec Baldwin 🤣🤦♂️😂
Even weapons with blanks can kill people
Yes. Considering that the technologies needed to make a picture-perfect copy of a real firearm that's completely unable to fire a projectile, and do it at a reasonable price, there's no reason not to do this. Up until this point, it was good enough to hire a professional armorer who was the person responsible for keeping real ammo and real guns far, far away. That's all they had to do. But this one didn't.
If you are handling a weapon you are responsible for safety. Period. You must know, for yourself, through your own actions, that it is safe.
In that case, there is need for having an armorer position at all, i.e. the armorer had no business being on that set.
The fact of the matter is, the gun is a prop, not a weapon in this case, so there is no responsibility for Baldwin to check if it is loaded or not, that responsibility lies with the armorer. If you are carrying a gun in any circumstances, then the responsibility of safety of course lies with you. Thats just common sense.
@@madisonvillavert745 The gun is a gun. It can also be a prop, but it was an actual gun. If I use a gun as a paperweight, it can still kill. I can't argue it wasn't a gun, it was a paperweight. If he were driving a car or swinging a sword, just because its a prop doesn't mean they aren't dangerous. Blanks can still kill, just ask Brandon Lee.
@@grandmaida7819 I am biased in this department, being in the military firearm safety is screamed and forced upon you, and for good reason. We don't call it "accidental discharge" we call it "negligent discharge". This is what I see here, because if it were me (and I know I am biased here) I would have checked the rounds to see if they were real or not. It only takes a brain fart or being tired to screw things up. But multiple eyes will catch those mistakes.
No, it's the ARMORER'S job to ensure the prop-weapon is safe. The actors AREN'T ALLOWED to "check" it becasue TAMPERING with it could render it UNSAFE. That's like saying that a stunt-driver should pop the hood to "check" it after the mechanic verified it.
Isn't that logic like expecting your own judgment on an industry-specific subject to be better than a junior engineer you've hired?
You think Keanu Reeves would've pointed that gun without checking it first?
Keanu has the best firearms mentor in Taran Butler and knows better.
However, Baldwin wore two hats. Actor and Producer, as an actor he is blameless when in front of the camera, as it’s up to the armorer to make sure the gun was safe. But, as a producer he cut corners by hiring inexperienced staff who flouted the “set in stone” safety rules of a film set. For that he has some responsibility for his actions but not for shooting the DP.
We have to ask Keanu Reeves. @Keanu would you check weapon before shooting it on set?
Keanu knows gun safety.... that's why he's the goat
@@IAMSTULITTLEBaldwin brags about his firearm training. Try again.
@@ggsay1687if you need to ask this you don’t know him.
This may seem like a silly point, but what if that same gun was used in a scene and the actor shot someone at that time and killed them? Would the person who shot the actor be held responsible?
It all depends on the _mens rea_ the guilty conscience. If an actor had no idea that the gun was loaded, because the people responsible for keeping the gun safe misled him, he was an unwitting tool of the actual criminals. The ones who set up the situation. This is the plot of many murder mysteries. The point of justice is to find the whole truth, and punish the guilty, not jump to conclusions based on bias.
You never, never pull the trigger, or drop the hammer even slowly as it may discharge. That is the first thing I was taught at the ripe age of 13. Dad wouldn't let us handle a gun until we had taken the hunter safety course.
He is not stupid, though. People have died on movie sets before. That's the whole reason to hire an armor in the first place. I'm just one who watches movie's and I know better.
Somebody has a vendetta against Baldwin. Didn't Bruce Lee's son die on the set of The Crow? I don't know if your a medical professional but in a hospital before insulin is given it must be checked by two nurses. For an obvious reason. One person can make a mistake. I guess in the future have two people check the firearm.
Don't use guns that shoot off by themselves.
@@GTKJNow it didn’t don’t repeat a lie the fbi proved was.
@@GTKJNow it didn’t. Stop repeating the lie Baldwin tried also.
The production crew have had to really turn on Baldwin.I've never seen any new mexico court go after somebody so bad.
They think he's trump
Especially it's obvious the gun shoot off by itself.
@@GTKJNow Baldwin already tried this lie.
So was he actually filming the scene when this happened? From what I understand, they were not actually filming yet. In that case, (loaded, not loaded, prop, real) why is he pointing a gun at the cinematographer and pulling the trigger? Was she part of the scene or was he just goofing off and now someone is dead.
It seems there aren’t many cardinal rules imposed for gun safety in this country.
There are, there's just so many guns that you hear about the times they aren't.
You are a democrat voter. Typically what Malcom X tried to warning us about all liberals include yourself
#1 rule is treat ALL guns as if they are loaded. This is a manslaughter trial.
@@BottomLineBassin2Who was in charge of the props? That should be the person they should be going after.
You need to take a NRA gun safety course.
This is about "movie making" gun fire. The Armorer has been found guilty, because it was "her responsibility" to not hand the "prop-gun" to Alec Baldwin, without real bullets in the chamber. Her actions were that of "negligence." The scene in question was that of Alec Baldwin pointing the gun ... as the script and director indicated ... toward the camera and firing. He was told the gun was cold. That's how it's done. He had no idea the gun was loaded, and films like this would come to a stand-still, if every actor had to re-check their prop-gun for real bullets, which weren't to be in the gun, in the first place. I mean, how dumb are New Mexico prosecutors?
What are real guns doing on set?!? And let's not forget that Baldwin originally LIED about not even pulling the trigger claiming it went off by itself 🤡
As the director/producer who personally hired the unqualified armorer/gun wrangler he is responsible. Period.
@@demigod1013a Union Position on set..Vetted and Certified by the Union..like an Electrician on Set..
He's only being prosecuted because of his Trump impersonation on SNL.
Was Michael Massee charged in 1993?
(Everyone is saying, "who?" Google him. And tell me why he wasn't charged and Baldwin is. I'll wait.)
they may be smarter than you, who knows
Fully agree Seems like Trump trying to get a bit of revenge and this prosecutor trying to raise their profile. This type of case standing isn't reasonable or just.
Someone educate me. I can’t see any credible rationale for Baldwin’s guilt. Is it really his responsibility to check the gun?
Actually no. Its not his responsibility. Can you imagine all actors having to check all guns in theirs hands? Do you know how many guns are used in hundreds of movies daily? Guns in hollywood are props. Actors are focused on acting. If one is acting and someone hands a gun or more, and they (the experts) say oh yeah you can fire it because its a dummy gun, most people unfamiliar with guns wont even know how to check the damn thing, let alone have time to, or even imagine a gun arriving loaded on the set (there should be a vigorous process of checking and rechecking guns before they even arrive on sets). What if they were in the Matrix and had 12 guns and machine guns in any given scene? I personally wonder why the film dont manufacture their own fake guns to be used in ALL movies.
@@stevebeegreat but is that the law? Protocol? How would he know there was a live round in the chamber. I understand he was given the firearm and told “cold gun,” meaning it’s safe. Even if he pulled the trigger is t it considered a prop?
@@stevebeegreatooohh banned...how will you know..maybe he wants to Kill Again...call the local gun banning agent
There is none. Not a single bit of guilt as an actor. Now, had they charged him as a producer, then it might be different: Randall Miller served time for the death of AC Sarah Jones on the set of "Midnight Rider" because ultimately it was his responsibility to ensure that the location was safe -- and he failed completely.
Baldwin doesn’t have any military or police background to have that mindset and those colt 45 are a pain to drop check each round ammo. His mindset is all about getting through the film scene which is acting role play and surrounded by fake blank rounds which he been doing for years. He didn’t wake up the next day to have someone really die to caused someone’s life or end anyone’s life. He maybe setup.
Baldwin will win his case because his last name says it all.
A cardinal rule is to always consider that a gun is loaded. Always treat a gun as having a bullet in the chamber.
Alec Baldwin should be held responsible for checking the gun because the person who is actually responsible is inexperienced?? So now people should be held responsible for OTHER people being inexperienced and not doing their job? That makes absolutely zero sense. It was NOT his job to check the damn gun.
Think their point is that as the Producer of the movie, he should have hired an experienced person?
Or maybe the state should hire experienced prosecutors? Because the ones assigned in this case are not as experience.
This case is absurd and they're trying to get him because he's rich and famous and anti-trump and this is a red state. If the prosecutor had any brains, they'd try to go after him in his role as producer to argue that he should've known if his crew is unreliable, not in his role as actor who is NOT ALLOWED to "check" a weapon (or stunt-car or anything else that requires an expert).
@@Shakor77 yes it is your job to check firearms. Simple eh kids?
No it’s not his, he doesn’t have any military or law enforcement background to have that mindset all of the time. His mindset are more for role play acting getting through the film scene and surrounded by fake prop film tools for years. He didn’t wake the next day to make sure it cause someone’s life to end.
Try to go to every gun dealer store and ask them you would like to see the gun you like. In this process first they ask for proof of ID as a collateral and before the gun employee hands you any weapon, they rack slide double check for safety or make sure the chamber is not loaded before it makes it to your hand.
It's so fascinating that Alec Baldwin unalived more people than the entirety of the 1/6 rioters.
Baldwin nor anyone else checked the gun, a few seconds, pop the loading gate and spin the cylinder for no rounds visible in the cylinder.
The check takes three or four seconds, but no one would do that, not Baldwin who was holding the gun and had his finger or the trigger. Unbelievable.
There is no “cardinal rule” in the court of law….
Case dismissed.
if he was in a state that requires a gun permit then he broke more laws if thats a requirement
What "permit" are you referring to?
NO! HE keeps saying he did not pull the trigger, but when he tries the scene, to show us, he pulls the trigger!
"Pull the trigger" implies intention. If the trigger was triggered by virtue of the laws of physics (eg gravity, momentum, etc.) that's not the same thing. It might seem like a minor distinction, but in court, it matters.
@@I.____.....__...__gravity, momentum, etc… didn’t make the gun go off. It was Baldwin’s finger applying pressure to the trigger that made the gun go off.
A jury of 12 and four alternates - 11 women and five men - heard prosecutor Erlinda Johnson outline arguments that Baldwin disregarded safety during filming of the low-budget movie before pointing a gun at Hutchins during a rehearsal, cocking it and pulling the trigger as they set up a camera shot on a set southwest of Santa Fe.
Baldwin’s wife Hilaria Baldwin was also present at the hearing and sat in the second row of the public gallery. His brother Stephen Baldwin sat in front of her.
Who ever loaded the gun should be the person at fault
Most movies break cardinal rules of gun safety.
ALEC 🤓 POINTED 👈 The Weapon, And He PULLED The TRIGGER 🔫Back
Live ammo on a movie set? Someone needs to go to jail.
Well someone is in jail already so mission accomplished 👍
How does anyone tell real ammo from movie ammo ?
Who brought live ammo to the set ?
That is the person actually responsible for a persons death.
It is ridiculous the Producer who is Alec Baldwin takes no accountability on the lack of safety measures that resulted this!
He cocky ignoring the prosecutor but listening to his lawyer
Guilty!! Messing around -
Now with that holier than thou - attitude - gets you Karma!
Why are they prosecuting him at all. As an actor it’s not his responsibility to make the necessary checks, it’s the responsibility of the armorer to check weaponry props and hand the actors cold guns in rehearsal and before scenes. This is the dumbest prosecution, they’re only going after him because he has name recognition, if the prosecutors were at all serious they would be criminally prosecuting the armorer and film companies and everyone behind the scenes whose responsibility this actually was.
Why hire an armorer if the actors are responsible for weapons on a set...
he's the actor, producer and creator. Bucks stops with him.
@h.nguyen4193 but, but he impersonated Trump 😂
Nothing will happen to him , he's entrenched in Hollywood , a dem and likes to trash DJT. He's one of the boys. He's in the club. Wearing the librarian glasses . Definitely an innocent look. Smooth move , Al, LOL 🤣
Right. What if it was a car that ran someone over? Would he be responsible for check the brakes first? What if it was a tank? They have professionals on set to ensure that things run safely that they are responsible for.
@@cavemaneruption Yes Baldwin would be responsible for all safety in the set
No one expects an actor to be an expert on the weapons he's using. Why have an armorer on set if the actor is expected to know about and care for his weapon? I'm sure we all remember that Brandon Lee died on the set of the Crow due to negligence. The slug was left in the barrel from being previously fired and when the blank was introduced, it propelled the slug, killing Lee. That was in the 90's and yet here we are again..
So he uses a gun intended to be a prop, how he is guilty is unclear
Screwing over this aging celebitry will not bring back
the poor misfortunate young lady .
This prosecution serves no
public purpose and simply
aggravates an already very sore wound.
It's a very sad story.
While I agree that this trial should never have been brought, that's just stupid reasoning. By that reasoning no murderer should ever be brought to trial.
@@bloodymarvelous4790 So true. But not much risk Alex will
repeat a crime. No motive, no malice.
It looks like the DJ just wishes to
gain the soot light. Really can not tell
Thanks.
Mmm. It is not a cardinal rule if the organization doesn’t share, teach, or practice it. Though Alec should go to jail for being an 🫏 hole.
By that rationale, you should be in jail as well.
@@bloodymarvelous4790 Good come back, hope you make it through 5th grade this time around.
did the armorer admit to not checking the gun? this is a genuine question. if he did check the gun, then where the hell did that bullet come from. this entire case smell fishy. why? because this is something that you'd only see on tv, not something you'd ever expect to happen for real.
and the way the media analyzes the case, talking about the legality, but never the details, makes me suspect foul play even more. there is probably more than meets the eye.
remember, a coincidence is a one off event. if it stacks up again and again one over another, it's no coincidence. it's planned.
This is BS, it was an accident.
As someone who worked in film and television on major movies and television shows as a crew member years ago I am not breaking any Non disclosure agreements and can say I agree with Baldwins lawyer. On the 100+ union studio sets I’ve been on there has never been a real loaded gun but I’ve seen many prop guns and the prop person should check first then the First AD should give the final ok and Cold gun means completely safe. Any A list professional actor with a good understanding of their craft will believe they are using a prop gun and will not want to play it safe in the take because they are trying to give the director the best shot. Alec Baldwin had no clue that gun was loaded. It would have happened with Leo DiCaprio, Matt Damon’s, Densel Washington, Daniel Day Louis ect. It doesn’t matter who the actor is. It was the First A.D.s fault for not fully checking and the prop departments fault for handing it off to production for use. Baldwins career should not be over because of an unsafe work environment that was not his fault. For the record I worked on a movie with Alec Baldwin but never actually talked to him because I can see he was fully focused on his role so I respectfully I left him alone. Actors act.
An Actor is in a "police cruiser chase" scene. Does she first get out and check the oil level and tire pressure ??
Dumbass statement.
Typically the actor is not placed or being in a situation that could put other people in danger. Thats why they hire 'stunt' performer and doubles to do all that. And there are endless waivers that could involve injury and death in their clauses..
If an actor killed someone on set in your scenario you provided, they would be charged like any normal person when it comes to vehicular manslaughter. You are responsible being the driver and have to be competent enough to determine if your vehicle is road safe...
That BS about him being in a mindset is such idiotic dribble. If you are using a sword or driving a car on set, you still have to be safe with them. It doesn't matter if you are playing a samurai, jack the ripper, or on the set of 'Deathrace 2000'. It's the same with a gun. Blanks can still kill, and you have to treat them with respect if the cameras are rolling or not. It's more of a dumb argument when you realize, THE CAMERAS WEREN'T ROLLING.
Prosecution withheld evidence. big legal no-no. Case rightfully dismissed
It was 1st degree murder.
Your mad lol
@@MrSample1 Lets say 2nd degree?
So far what law enforcement has failed to do is find out how real bullets got into that gun. It's the sheer incompetence of the DA and police to not pursue that part of the investigation. The person to blame is the individual who put a live round in the gun. What was the real motive to put a live round in the gun?
Wait, so cops didn't _investigate_ to find out the ACTUAL criminal negligence that caused it? 🤨 WHAAAAA-‽‽‽ 😲
Courts have ruled multiple times cops aren't legally required to do ANY of the things tax-payers pay them to do. 😒
@@gfilmdawg do you blame the gas station workers for the accident you caused?
@@Censortubes I do if they put rocket fuel in the tanks rather than regular old gas.
@@gfilmdawg aww look it you try to find the way out. Let us know when you get it eh?
@@Censortubes using your mind set, no murders will get solved in New Mexico. The DA and police will only charge what is convenient to investigate.
An experienced actor like Mr. Baldwin would 100% KNOW that actors are NEVER to point a gun at anyone on set. Prop gun, or not. He still chose to point the gun. There should have been safety glass between him and anyone he is pointing gun at. He didn't notice there was no safety glass? He would also know that a gun's empty chambers are required to be shown to an actor - OR the actor is supposed to check - at the time they are handed the gun. He chose to skip that step. He was also rehearsing with a real gun, not a rubber gun, as is proper protocol. He also apparently skipped his pre-set gun training session - which are also mandatory for ALL actors to take before handling guns onset. Etc. Etc. These (and more) are actual filmset rules for gun handling. He violated THEM ALL!! Not just one. Sorry, but he's responsible for the death.
@grandmaida7819 you're correct. But this isn't about gun laws. There are union-mandated protocols upon protocols and rules upon rules and guidelines upon guidelines on film sets. You don't need laws if safety protocols are followed as they are supposed to be. If he himself as the actor, and the last line of safety, had even adhered to JUST ONE protocol, he would not have shot her. But he ignored it all. And he knew better! Watch his previous interviews where he asserts how many movies he has filmed with guns, and how experienced he was with guns on sets. He knew better! Which makes him even more negligent and responsible.
It is not his fault the person at fault is the gun expert live rounds were being fired the gun was handed to Baldwin. The case in which Brandon Lee was killed on the set of the crow from an unfortunate accident the gun supposedly was cleared to be shot and had a live round lodged in the chamber of the gun in turn Brandon Lee died from said negligence.
For all the "experts" quoting firearm safety, here's a hypothetical for you:
Eddie Murphy is shooting a Beverly Hills Cop film. He's supposed to drive his Nova down the street and slam on the brakes while turning the wheel. Normally a stunt car driver would handle the shot, but the script calls for Eddie to turn to the camera at the end and deliver a line, so he's doing the driving himself. The scene has been rehearsed 10x, the stunt team has checked the car, the PAs have made sure all the bg artists know where to stand, etc., etc. The picture car wrangler opens the door for Eddie and tells him "Good luck." The 1AD yells "action." Eddie executes the move perfectly, gets to the bottom of the hill, slams on the brakes... and they fail, because a bolt has come loose from the master cylinder. His Nova crashes into a parked car, which jumps the curb and kills an extra.
Do you charge Eddie for not checking the brakes?
Do folks on UA-cam cluck their tongues and say, "You should never drive above the speed limit, and you should always leave adequate room to stop in an emergency. Just like any other workplace?"
If not, then please explain how this is different.
A gun pointed willfully at a person and a car accident aren’t a good comparison at all.
At the end of the day Baldwin shot and killed a woman.
A gun with a blank is not a cold weapon. If the armorer says it's a cold gun, then it's completely empty. Because even with blanks, the gun still fires a projectile... just not a lead bullet. It has gunpowder that's capped with something to create the pressure when fired. When it gets fired at someone at a close distance it can still cause severe damage. That's why they never actually point the gun at anyone on set... they use camera angles and mirrors to make it look as if they do.
Uuhh huh...the paper wadding can cause bruises..but only up to 8 feet...Movie Grade Blanks
100% this. Remember Lee? He died with a blank that propelled the leftover of a squib shot.
@@Pilgrim-u7p people have died from blanks... namely Brandon Lee. But in this case, the woman who died was in the same room as Baldwin... even in a 10x10 room, she'd be within your 8ft danger zone
@@Shadow__133 I literally typed this you were typing your comment. Apparently Brandin Lee was due to an uncleaned gun, with debris still in the barrel, but people have died from blanks in the past just by whatever plugged the gunpowder.
@@michaelbinbcthere are Blanks and there are blanks..that's why you hire a Union Vetted Expert to handle weapons And Ammo.
She failed, an Innocent was killed, she is in jail
He’s an actor, not a weapons expert 🙄
And producer of this film. Responsable for hiring incompetent people probably because it was cheap. He's double guilty.
@@Luneland he’s a producer among many producers. Once again, not his fault
You are making stuff up...all assumptions..all malicious
@@Pilgrim-u7p were you there? Oh wait you weren’t 🙄 so stop talking big, little boy 🤫
@@Pilgrim-u7p little NPC 👤 with a 2️⃣ day old UA-cam account lmfao 🤣
10 years in prison no less in general population.
It's amazing how gun nuts who don't want any restrictions on weapons and no accountability, suddenly want to have someone who was handed a loaded gun and told it was safe for use on set, sent away to prison.
Sure You Honor..anything else?
@@Pilgrim-u7p let the court do what it will do .Baldwin should fear the day he faces God .
@@bloodymarvelous4790 Its amazing how the people on the left think Alec Baldwin is all of the sudden above the law and is not accountable for his negligence that actually killed someone. Wtf is wrong with you people?
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What happened to special effects & fake guns on set? Brandon Lee died from a onset gun accident too decades ago.
Like or hate Baldwin, it's not an actor's responsibility to be a weapons expert and they work with props on a set, not weapons on a range. Actors are paid to act and follow the directions of the safety team. Armorers and safety teams are paid to ensure a prop is safe and to give instructions to the actors. What if that revolver was an AT-4 anti-tank rocket launcher - would it be the actor's responsibility to check that the prop he was given was not in fact a true functional AT-4 launcher? Neither the actor, nor most people who haven't served in the military would know what to do in that case, so they divert to the expertise of the prop/weapons team. However, I do think Baldwin's claim that the revolver just went off on it's own is crap.
This whole trial is just a big waste of time. The armorer was already found guilty for manslaughter in the DP's death. And the AD took the DA's deal and pled guilty. Those are the two that are responsible for the death. It was the armorer's and the AD's job to make sure the gun was safe. It's not the actor's job to check the gun for live rounds. What the hell are live rounds doing on a movie set anyway? It was not Alec's fault whatsoever. The AD called out "cold gun" before handing it to Alec. How the hell is he supposed to know there are real bullets in there? He's not a gun safety expert. This whole thing is ridiculous.
You mad girl 😂😂
You're not seeing the bigger picture. Let's say your son or daughter was killed by the gym teacher at their school because the gym teacher wasn't watching the kids while they were swimming and they drown, because he was busy doing drugs, and they find out that he had a history of drug problems. By your statement, the buck stops with the gym teacher, but you know that's not how it goes. You would be suing the school system for hiring such a negligent person. Same thing here. If Baldwin is the producer and he cut costs by hiring a c-level amorist, and they can prove this armorist should not have been on set, then Baldwin could be held responsible. I love Alec and I don't want to see him go to jail, but your argument is too simple.
So you want everyone to point guns on set?
@@McCurdy8mm-dx3vl now you're just adding elements to your analogy. If the gym teacher was a known drug user and alcoholic, sure, but the armorer was not. And nobody knew she was a "c-level" armorist. The studio set the budget for the film. So they got the best armorer they could find. So now you also need to charge the studio head and everyone involved in the budget office with manslaughter too. Alec wasn't the one who hired the armorer. and he wasn't acting in the capacity of the producer when the accident happened. He was the actor who was given a "cold gun" by the assistant director. It's complete nonsense what you're saying.
@@kelseywillow8110 huh? I don't even understand what you're getting at.
It is Alec Baldwin’s responsibility to take a safe firearms handling course. When I was taught how to handle firearms as a child, with an air BB gun, you always treat each firearm as if it is loaded, and never point it at anyone. Ever.
Except that in this case, it's a movie prop and you do point it at people (aka the camera) for purposes of film making. That's the whole purpose of having a weapons armorer and safety team - so that actors can act using safe props. The fact that a functioning weapon was even on set shows systemic failures with the whole production.
@@Chanko2397 The thing is, Alec knew that people quit the set due to safety concerns (even the people quit cited someone is going to get shot). He failed to attend and pay attention to the safety training by the armorer.
If he checked the gun or treated it as if it was loaded (and it was despite people saying it was cold - that's why the rule is always treat it as a loaded gun). He bears responsibility. He pulled the trigger.
@@Chanko2397cardinal rule in firearms: they are ALWAYS loaded, and you never point them at someone. He is not completely culpable, but he does have some culpability.
@@Sparkk0 Here's the test where that argument might fail....replace that revolver with a AT-4 rocket launcher or some other exotic weapon. Should an actor be the one responsible for knowing how to properly check the functioning of that prop? If handed a grenade, should an actor be responsible for checking that it's not in fact a live explosive or not? They rely on an armorer and safety team to be the experts who make it safe for them to handle, so they can concentrate on acting. There were production-wide failures that led up to this happening for sure, but I don't buy the argument that he was responsible just because he pulled the trigger.
@Chanko2397 in all of your scenarios there's required safety training in conjuction to handling weapons that could harm themselves, others, or property..
It's common sense. If you don't know what you're doing you stop. Your examples are very niche and I understand it's a hypothetical however in this case we are dealing with a live round. The chain of custody of the gun was from the armorer to the associate director (I may be getting the title wrong) then to Alec. All 3 failed to provide a reasonable expectation of safety which any one of them if doing their part correctly would have prevented the death here. It's culpable negligence, plain and simple.
They should ask Baldwin if the rehearsal called for him to point the gun at is head, would he have checked the gun first?
Not his job!!
Hypothetical horseshit.
@@barb7528But kind of his responsibility to hire and make sure the people handling them are competent. He was a producer, after all.
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@@Shadow__133 that's a different charge. this is the one for pulling the trigger.
ALL on set are RESPONSIBLE FOR SAFETY!!
If he did not trust the armorer, why didnt he check her work??😢
The prosecutor is an idiot. The "cardinal rule" is to trust people who know better than you instead of pretending to know better than what's supposed to be an expert. It doesn't matter if she was "reckless", she still knows better than him, who is famously anti-gun. Moreover, he's NOT ALLOWED to "check" the weapon, that's called TAMPERING and could render a safe weapon unsafe. Would the prosecutor say a stunt-driver should tamper with a car to "check" it? 🙄 If the prosecutor had ANY neurons to rub together, they'd maintain focus on his producer role that he should've been aware of his crew rather than on his role as an actor handling it. 😒
so if my uber driver is drunk, i can get a dui? same thing, he hired someone for that responsibility. as a director maybe he is liable for not hiring better people, but as an actor he shouldn't have to worry about the gun being safe or not.
It is a Tightly Regulated Union Job.
What were real guns doing on set?!? And let's not forget that Baldwin originally LIED about not even pulling the trigger claiming it went off by itself 🤡
As the director/producer who personally hired the unqualified armorer/gun wrangler he is responsible. Period.
Live guns on movie sets ? Bad idea
If the state can not point to Alec finger prints on the bullet in question, then the state has not only an uphill battle but the wrong charges. Actors, act. Directors and producers are to make sure the crew are on point. If Alec Baldwin was not the main producer out of his role of actor and is assigning roles on the set then the state fracked up. The issue is how did a bullet get in the gun and if Alec knew of a bullet in the gun. Actors take direction from the director as to how they are to act in the scene. If the director did not think that there is a live bullet. How is the actor to think to such a thing when told the gun is cold. You as the actor can not Check the gun because you take responsibility if something goes wrong. The jury won't find him guilty because Alec never loaded then gun thus not being responsible for the guns ammunition. It was a waste of tax payer funds to do this trail and the judge should have known better
Would you hold the president of the USA responsible for an accidental shooting? Would you hold the police chief responsible? Would you hold the officer who held the gun responsible? In a corporation, you delegate but never abdicate. So, it's a shared responsibility. Baldwin is partially responsible. It's trivial to check the gun. I.e., Baldwin abdicated. If you share the rewards of movie, you share the risk.
Baloney on a roll, no mustard
There's one thing that I'm not sure to understand in this case and maybe someone can explain me. If this is a movie scene and they use the objects in the movie inventories to act on the scene, why any of the weapons in the armory would have bullets in it? And when you buy a gun at a regular gun store, does the gun come with bullets already in it? I'm not a gun expert and I live in a country where most people do not own guns and shootings are rare. So I apologize if the answer sounds obvious.
Good thing it's a cardinal rule and not a law
Except that it is the law in the NM. You are responsible for the gun if it's in your hand, including the contents of the gun. It's very simple.
Explain to me why Alec Baldwin needs to defend himself when he was unknowingly handed a loaded gun for a camera facing shot?
Tragedy that followed was not intentional by him, even if it could have been by the armorer.
If anything, he's also a victim in that story.
I can explain it. He was a major producer and it was a cheap budget shit show where they cut corners and hired a cheap, inept armorer. He gets to skate on that one but please don't make him a victim, he's lucky he wasn't killed instead of her
@@elizabethheyenga9277 your explanation doesn't explain but does clarify for me, someone that has worked in the industry since four years of age. That this case should be tossed and is malicious prosecution.
Seems politically motivated if that is the basis.
the armorer came on a referral and had training from a well respected one and he was in acting mode, and would think he was wielding a prop, not a loaded weapon.
If I was the director, and saw him not in that mode, I'd pull him to the side and ask where his head was at.
The issue of a loaded gun on set, sits squarely on the armorer and their direct supervisor, not a producer far removed and more involved in wrangling the box office.
Seems like the prosecution is just ignorant and placing blame on a person, that in essence, is a victim. Manslaughter or not, he has to live with taking a life with no intention of doing so.
For me, professionally and personally, this is Brandon Lee deja vu. An accident that could have been prevented by the armorer not allowing live bullets (or cheap gun powder blanks) anywhere near the production.
@@DerekReuteryou seem like a reasonable person...why?
@DerekReuter if you actually worked in the industry you would know SAG rules for working with firearms. That door may not ever be opened in this trial, but he did break NM law which is why the charges have been brought forward.
Intention literally means nothing under the eyes of the law.
Drunk drivers kill, and their only intent was to get home. But now there's a dead person. You're basically sympathizing with a murderer. Consider why you choose to be an apologist for Alec, when two people were shot and one person died. He pulled the trigger.
@@Pilgrim-u7p typically always have been, candid and open too. If my tone and disclosure is a little off, consider it a reasonable response to a life of a person thrust into atypical situations, forced to deal with insane bosses and execs wielding far too much power than they should.
I don't get this trial.
Was he expected to unload the gun to check all cartridges were blanks?
Does this also apply to a loaded magazine for a semi-automatic pistol? Or a machine gun? Is the actor expected to empty the magazine and check all bullets, and then reload the magazine before acting his part?
The weapons master failed his job by allowing real bullets on the set. Even more so by allowing a prop gun to be used for real target practice while not filming.
If Americans had any common sense, this case would never have been brought.
He hired an incompetent "professiona"l to do all that
@@rogerout8875 irrelevant, he thought she was competent. If we could sue for such things ( and this is much more serious) then the courts would be overwhelmed because in my life alone I have met thousands of incompetent people.
@@DaleHartley when did he say he thought she was incompetent? Or did you just make that part up?
He was expected to keep the gun pointed in a safe direction. Halyna Hutchins was not a safe direction.
Cheapskate Baldwin hire an incompetent armorer to save money. Baldwins greed caused this.
Movie actors are people as well as the woman killed and the 2nd injury to another. All people are responsible for their own actions.
Anyone anywhere is responsible for any weapon in their hands regardless of where it came from.
he cant just act as the person hes playing😂 imagine if the die hard actors were acting like their characters around the set😂🤦♀️ just shooting it up and taking hostages
Stop railroading Alec Baldwin. No intent or gross negligence. Freak accident. Tragic! In the future, have the gun checked by two people.
Why was the gun loaded in the fisrt place and by whom? That's the question i think
If things go against Alec Baldwin, and he is sentenced to prison time, perhaps he can organize acting schools in prison for the inmates.
Maybe pigs can fly
@@Pilgrim-u7p. Pigs can fly in movies. Maybe Baldwin can show inmates how this is done. Thanks for your suggestion.
the armorer got 18months in prison, seems a bit lenient
I agree with the prosecutors in this case.
This is the stupidest thing ever, what a waste paying all these lawyers. Baldwin did not mean to kill anyone and trusted the armorer whose job it was to make sure no gun was loaded on the set with live ammo. Seriously America needs to focus on more important matters.
He wanted to know what it was like to kill someone
He did
How is this even happening?
Someone died. He pulled the trigger and ultimately caused the death. Culpable negligence.
@@Sparkk0 oh yes, you are right. I thought for some reason that there was an armor on set, that handed the gun to him saying “cold gun”… I stand down. My mistake.
Then what's the point of employing and paying an Armor if the actor is expected to do the Armor's job?!!
Exactly
You check, check, and double check with any weapon. Checks should be redundant. Just like a nurse does not give an injection that another person draws up in a syringe. Personal responsibility.
What's the purpose of a fire extinguisher if you have a fire alarm😂
if you're gonna handle a firearm you should know how
@@JNosewicz7569 No, you DON'T. That's called TAMPERING. Would you expect a stunt-driver to tamper with a car to "check" it after the mechanic confirmed it to be safe? 🙄
Where is the guy that handed him the gun
Girl.. in jail...
Why didn't Baldwin check the gun after the hand off? You aren't supposed to trust someone else when it comes to whether or not the gun is loaded.
Think he was already found guilty
They are also to blame, yes. And rightfully in jail where this guy needs to be as well.
Low IQ eh?
For hiring a bad weapons expert?
Do you send the CEO to prison because one of his employees embezzled money from the company because he hired that person?
Fuck, IQ's are well below 50 on UA-cam again.
I'm sure there are some real criminals in that state that they could be going after. What a waste of time and tax payer money.
Cant wait till they have to make sure the actors arent hacking into the pentagon or the missles on the jets arent real missles.
gun Safety.... LOL Ok never point a loaded gun at someone, unless you are intending to possibly shoot. Yes, he violated that....EXCEPT, he thought it WAS unloaded.
Now the standard here is that you NEVER count a gun as unloaded, period. Ok....which is NOT as true in revolvers, BUT, still a good idea.
EXCEPT.... In movies they often have the weapon pointed at the camera, which means it is CLEARLY POINTED AT THE PEOPLE BEHIND THE CAMERA...who were in the process of moving the camera when baldwin went through what he was going to do for the scene with a physical preplay of it.
SO, in MOVIES this is a commonly NOT counted safety action.
So what part of gun safety is applicable to a gun loaded with blanks, and performing a well known movie action?
The prop manager is responsible for insuring the blanks and hands it to the actor who is then (supposedly) knowingly aware that the gun is loaded with blanks ( noting, just for the unaware, BLANKS are nothing to joke around with either, but with a VERY minimal distance are safe for all intents and purposes. I still remember that big, upcoming actor that joked and pointed one at his head, pulled the trigger and ended up dying from the concussive blast to his skull, so I am NOT saying blanks are undangerous).
We're lucky he didn't shoot Sean Connery or Scott Glenn in that sub movie.
I really dont like Baldwin as a person... he seems like a self righteous muppet BUT, I think yea an actor doesnt have to make sure guns are fake or not. the assumption is that they are fake.
Of course it's dismissed...
The only problem Mr. Balwin had, in this instance, in my opinion, is failing to listen to his multimillion dollar an hour attorney's and keep his damn mouth shut after the tragic incident! After watching a few of his hours long interviews, even I a retired peace officer confused him with the bumbling incompetent undisciplined "expert" gunsmith in charge of the firearms on the rag tag movie set! #lockhimup #forwhat #forhisperformance 😂😂😂😂😂
I hear 'Rust' is a bust
This is what I wrote on the 19th May 2024.
I have not reported my findings from my fact finding African trip.
There is far too much corruption happening for me to do this. But what I will do is give you snip bits.
Obama is probably the most hated President in Africa in 2024. Almost all men and women from working-class backgrounds believe that what we are witnessing today from the west, is " White woman " politics.
This is July the 10th, and I have only reported on three things of the ten findings in working-class Africa. That is how corrupt the US and Britain is on a daily basis.
I will attempt to publish more findings next week
Why isn't an Actor aiming the gun at another Actor if he's Acting?
Because there's a camera. 🤦♂
You have to replace progressive policies, not just the messenger
I hope everyone will listen to the prosecutors 14 min. opening statement. wanted to applaud. Praying for Justice for that poor grieving family. 🙏
I dont see how its his faul if it supposed to be a prop
Blanks aren't props.
A tragic accident. He messed up and lost credibility and sympathy, when he denied pulling the trigger.
@@grandmaida7819 Possibly
No one is above the law, but Alec didn't do it intentionally. It's sad for both families. Stop accusing!!!!! You are not in Alec's mind.
Treat. Never. Keep. Keep.
Prosecuter is a shark in the water after sensing Blood🔪
I would like to know how it happened that he pointed a gun at a cinematographer and pulled the trigger. It was not an actor, they were not playing a scene.
They were blocking, rehearsing, etc.
it's obvious the gun shoot off by itself.
The director told alec to point the gun at them while looking in the camera via an angle. They were both in the line of fire, so to speak, but no one knew that the gun was hot. As Alec was told it is cold thus this means the gun has no live ammunition in it
Who is the problem? He should face some criminal charges because he was the Director in charge of the set and he knew there had been more than one violation with a gun. He knew live ammunition had gone off his workers under him. We’re not handling firearms and or ammunition properly. he knew this and that someone who knew it and as someone in charge someone writing the checks, knowing that activity is going on that is illegal or immoral he should’ve stepped up. He should have reigned things in. He should have been the adult, but he wasn’t. He allowed it to continue. He knew the environment was unsafe. He knew it was not adhering to whatever regulations were in place and he did nothing that is criminal. His lack of action did lead to the death of an individual because had he done what he should’ve done as a Director as the person in charge, that woman would be alive today. You can argue accident accident we didn’t know what would happen, but you knew something had gone wrong before and you did not step in to fix the problems. Now his defense is going to want to point fingers and say it was the other person well wait a minute why didn’t you fire that person when you had to previous incident like this?
Baldwin was not the director.
Only crime Alec Baldwin is guilty of is flawed hiring practices.
He followed the Union Protocols
He was guilty of accepting a gun from someone who was NOT the armorer.