What's frustrating is the ship itself is OK, It's design is a recycled design the Shangri-la class, If they kept it as that, said it was upgraded and recommissioned due to the need to rapidly ships following the Utopia Planitia destruction, then I have no issue with it being the hero ship for that season. If they were insistent on the whole "it's a rebuilt Titan" Then make it such, take the Titan and upgrade it but keep its key design features. In the end they failed to do either. And then at the end to rename it the Enterprise made no sense at all. In Trek Enterprise has always meant something more. From the NX being the first warp 5 ship to each subsequent Enterprise being a member of the most advanced design of their age. Even the A, though itself a renamed ship was still a Constitution II/refit. Which till the completion of the Excelsior project was still Star fleet premier vessel! (Personally I wouldn't of minded if the A was revealed at the end of ST4 as being the newly commissioned second ship of the Excelsior class, But understand that for the sake of the movies maintaining the visual continuity makes sense.) The Enterprise G sticks out like a sore thumb in this line up going from the premier ship of the fleet to a rebuilt ship based not on it's own design but on an even older design. And all this after we had a massive fleet of the copy and past class, in season 1 of Picard and the fleet of frankly much better design like the New Stargazer we got in season 2.
Oh and thanks to Terry metalis and his Fanboy mentality he couldn't accept TNG designs and then he literally came in and said okay I'm going to be a fanboy throughout this entire ordeal and kill the Enterprise f
Its ridiculous, all of it. There's like a dozen starfleet constuction facilities. Utopia Planitia aint the only one. Also the ship is literally an upscaled shangri la class. Lazy writing
Also, if you're gonna rename her in honor of her crew saving the Federation (which, why do that and erase the achievements from that name?), why go for naming her in a way that makes her 'just another Enterprise'? Why not call her the Picard, or the Shaw, or the Seven of Nine, or, y'know, after some other prominent crewmember?
Apparently the original plan was for it to be rechristened as the USS Picard, hence why he was so emotional in the shuttle. They somehow pivoted at the last moment and went with Enterprise instead. It’s not a bad ship, but it’s not a flagship. Not the pinnacle of their tech and innovation at the time, so it shouldn’t be an Enterprise.
They did both the E and F dirty in a season that was just undignified in its fan pandering. Picard S1 and 2 were bad on a fundamental story telling level but 3 was also bad in that regard and having the TNG crew and the D in it did not suddenly make it good. Picard made Star Trek as a whole worse. And why bother with the F? Why not leave it in the 2420s or whenever STO put it? If you want to do the Galaxy class call back have the Sovereign class get disabled, but dont have a fan favourite non-TV ship turn up as a jobber and then replace it with a fugly half saucer thing.
@jhf2121 You are correct the enterprise E the enterprise F. Did not get the Justice.They were entitled and enumerated because terry Metallism is cowards.They had their own agenda And preferences and through the lore In established story arts under the bus So you could have his fan boy moment They could have had the enterprise E Then the hero ship of the series to give it a final send off and then the enterprise f could have been The newest ship On the television Series but Alas, what's done is done.
@alexwilson9886 correct on all accounts he was given the keys to the ship and he decided you know I'm not going to care about established canonical lore I'm just going to ask the Enterprise F throw the Enterprise E into the waistband of history and Resurrect The Enterprise D because he was a fan of TNG more so which it's fine to have your preferences. But you have to have respect for the previous and sequential sessions of Star Trek ultimately the Enterprise E in the Enterprise F should have been included in Star Trek Picard the Enterprise E could have been in place of the Titan and thus retiring the Enterprise E resurrecting the Enterprise D and launching the Enterprise F it would have worked lol However, instead, we were left with a man-child that saw this as his opportunity to personalize track to his own preferences
The U.S.S. Titan should never have A. Been named the Titan-A to begin with B. It should never have be renamed to the Enterprise. It would have been better to have honoured Picard by calling the ship the Jean-Luc Picard or simply the Picard.
What went wrong? Secret Hideout and Alec Kurtzman went wrong. Matalas may have made the best series in Secret hideouts lineup, but he was hamstrung by Secret Hideouts divorce from Trek lineages so the producers could hire cheaper staff. Not to mention… they turned the Titan into another class of ship, then renamed her. If they had anyone who knew naval tradition, what they did would be seen as unlucky as the Lunar class was a perfectly fine ship with no reason to take her apart and rebuild her…. Let alone rename her.
@@nekodesigner Correct. Matalas is the one with the nostalgia kick for the TOS TMP era. The previous showrunners kept the 25th century aesthetic with the Inquiry class.
I suspect that Starfleet didn't make a new ship to be the Enterprise-G for the same reason the Constitution III was made - the destruction of the Utopia Planetia shipyard. Starfleet can no longer just build an arbitrary new ship to take up the mantle of the Enterprise. They are, for the first time in almost ever, resource-constrained, at least as far as ship construction is concerned. They just didn't have a new ship of suitable quality lying around and could not construct one and get it where they wanted it to be in time to roll out the next Enterprise.
That justification doesn't fly with me. I mean, the original Enterprise was built at San Francisco shipyards, while Bill Krause's Tycho Shipyards is Beta Canon. The Federation should have plenty of other shipyards available to build brand new ships. It also doesn't make tactical sense to be dependent on one particular shipyard in order to commission a particular type of vessel, especially after the Dominion War.
That doesn't hold water. Just as the idea that all the ships we saw on Frontier Day is actually the whole of Starfleet. There were more ships in Operation Return on DS9. The Producers during the TNG era estimated that there were 35,000 ships in Starfleet, so the idea that Starfleet of all organizations is short handed seems ridiculous. Especially since Utopia Planitia is not only not the only fleet yards in the Federation, it's not even the only one in the Sol System. There's Marin County Shipyards, San Francisco Fleet Yards, Baikonur Cosmodrome, and the Luna Shipyards. Then there are the ones elsewhere in the Federation, like the Beta Antares Shipyards that constructed the Prometheus.
@@3Rayfire I think that I read somewhere that Beta Antares had a contract for building Defiant class starships. And 35,000 would have been following massive losses at the beginning of the Dominion War. There were definitely more, and following the Dominion War, there would have been at least as many. For Frontier Day, it could have been all of the ships in the region (about a weeks worth of travel in spherical radius from Earth), and vessels in need of leave/refit/equipment upgrades/replacements. But no organization is ever going to sign on to bringing an entire damned fleet into one area.
AND THE ENTERPRISE 1701 IS FLAGSHIP MATERIAL! YOU KNOW NOTHING! THE ENTERPRISE 1701 WAS MADE FLAGSHIP OF THE FLEET TO HONOR HER CREW NOT THE SHIPS PUTTS! A SHIP IS ONLY AS GOOD AS HER CREW PERIOD!
@@michaelfowler2603 Flagships have duties that a ship that small can't fulfill. Putting a "great" crew in a dingy doesn't make the dingy flagship material. And turn off your capslock, you child.
@michaelfowler2603 Enterprise 1701 refers to Kirk's original ship, a Constitution Class. In your frothing rage you forgot the "J". Or are you so ill-informed on Star Trek lore that you didn't know that?
I believe the most likely out of universe (real world) explanation for this is the reason they did this. They had planned for a series to pickup where Picard Season 3 left off. Why build all new sets for a differnet ship and throw these sets away when you can just "re-christen" the ship the Enterprise -G and cut down on production costs if that other series ever happened?
Highest of the lowest point isn't really something to boast about though, it was consistently bad and was canceled because of it. Thanks to it Trek is pretty much dead except to die hards that stick around with the false hope of "maybe it will get better". We won't have any good Trek again until they sell the IP or get rid of Kurtzman and team.
They should have made the series 3 "Titan," an *Excelsior 2* class, and have an early encounter where the Shrike completely blows away the Burst Quantum Slipstream drive, so it's disabled for the entire season. Such as a barrage of Quantum torpedoes being portaled straight back into the QS drive deflector dish or some other large system that can't be repaired easily in the field. And some of the weapons get damaged as well, to explain why a powerful ship like a Excelsior 2 has to run. And simply scale up the Shrike so it's still a overmatch for the "Titan." Then a later spin off series features a fully repaired Excelsior 2 under Captain 7 of 9 that is more appropriate for the long range missions the plot requires. The Constitution 3 class is not going far beyond the Frontier, it's not a long range ship. It's for patrolling within and near Federation space.
Me too. I don't get the hate. A Constitution saucer (with a twist) along with Sovereign-like nacelles and with an Excelsior deflector. All nostalgia while still feeling fresh
I was always a fan of the Shangri-La class so seeing this new version was a delight, I was just sad to see they ditched the forward Tri Torpedo launchers. I also preferred the more angular nacelle pilons of the original Shangri-La class. All that being said I do feel they didn't need to rechristen it Enterprise. I think it would have been great to have another hero ship no named enterprise but I guess they went for s safer more dramatic story line.
Picard production team slapped the new type of nacelles on her to match the type of the new Stargazer. I agree that the saucer forward torps on the Shang looked mean!
The Enterprise D saved the Federation, so needed to be honoured. It was, however, too old to be put back in service. The Titan also saved Starfleet, so needed to be honoured. They'd also just lost a shed-load of ships. Making the ship that had done so much the new "flagship" seems a very sensible way to honour both vessels at a time when you are seriously short of ships.
Seriously short I feel is a bit of an exaggeration. Just as the idea that all the ships we saw on Frontier Day is actually the whole of Starfleet. There were more ships in Operation Return on DS9. The Producers during the TNG era estimated that there were 35,000 ships in Starfleet, so the idea that Starfleet of all organizations is short handed seems ridiculous. Especially since Utopia Planitia is not only not the only fleet yards in the Federation, it's not even the only one in the Sol System. There's Marin County Shipyards, San Francisco Fleet Yards, Baikonur Cosmodrome, and the Luna Shipyards.
@@3Rayfire No more of an exaggeration than the exaggerated reaction to the 1701-G, really. Also, they have just lost a lot of ships. We see the effects of that in one battle. How wide ranging was the Borg Virus? What effect did that have in other sectors? We only saw one little bit of the picture. We also need to remember the ships lost during the Mars incident (which was still a major incident), the losses during the Protostar incident. Sure, there were other ships (the cut & paste fleet for one). Lots of them - but what state were they in after all this? Space is much bigger than people really grasp, and the area covered by the Federation is really beyond imagining - so they were certainly short of ships and I stand by my statement.
Its an old already rebuilt and very underpowered ship. You don't honor it, you scrap it. There's no possible excuse for the rename or the flag ship elevation of this junker. Its a TOS era fan ship Terry just liked so much he used it for his show. It should not even exist in the Picard show era at all.
@@lesigh1749 Using your arguments, I guess 1701A was no better and DS9 ought to have been scuttled on the spot. There is plenty of reasons why anyone with a service background and understanding of respect would want to respect both vessels. I can tell, though, that you're just sulky as it didn't match your personal preferences. When you're older, you might work out that life doesn't always revolve around your personal likes and dislikes.
@@CountySchoolSM It didn't match the era. it is visually exactly what it fan designer made the model of it to be, a TOS era light cruiser. Its as out of place in the Picard era as a modern US navy story featuring a coal powered irons hulled WW1 era dreadnought would be. DS9 isn't a federation station, its run by them for the Bajoran's who have nothing but war surplus from their invasion. NCC 1701-A doesnt stay in service long, a decade at most and it is put in a museum after ST 6. In canon on Picard the Titan is already an old ship when Riker takes it over after Nemesis and this show is THIRTY YEARS LATER. Its ready for retirement, not to be the head of the fleet. FYI I'm probably older than you.
I think that Starfleet should have at least upgraded the Enterprise D for at least 5 to 7 more years while they designed and workout the kinks out of the new Enterprise F with a new class of Starship. But with the Enterprise D that ship would have the third warp nacelle and phaser cannon under the saucer section and with the cloaking device.
Why is The Enterprise G the Flagship. Well consider how many People above the age of 25 were killed when The Borg took control of Younger Members of the fleet. You throw in how many ships were destroyed in Prodigy Yes Prodigy is Canon, and there were a lot of ships destroyed/damaged including the Enterprise E. Also The Borg infected all federation ships under Automated Fleet Systems. I doubt they were able to replace all Captains, First Officers in one year. Which means. Starfleet would be hard pressed to assemble any fleet. I mean it was only one year lapsed, and Starfleet without an Enterprise is well..dumb.
I wondered about that. Luna class-Titan killed offscreen alongside the Sovereign-class Enterprise, Odyssey-class Enterprise F follows before the end of the season. The legacy designs sure got shafted for a season built so heavily around nostalgia. What I don't get, is why this new design follows the look of the decades-old Okinawa-class ship design. Like the resemblance is *really* strong-less a homage and more like a direct copy.
@@catoblepasomega But even then the "Constitution III" class is itself just a Shangri La class in new pants! If they didn't wan to use the Luna class or the E and F which were all amazing in their own rights they could've at least designed something new and original!
@@Blackmark7410 It's so insane. "Here's a refit of the Luna class that makes it look exactly like a 23rd century class, and it's actually the brand new Neo Constitution class!" ... what?
I do like this evolution of the Constitution class, rechristening the Titan-A into Enterprise-G can be debated, but it is my opinion, making the Titan into Enterprise is not a bad move. Taking into account that Enterprise is meant to be a name related with exploration and discovery, it makes sense to use the G as its model to uphold the UNoP and Starfleet mission. The D was also meant to be like this and more multirole. The Odyssey F was more combat oriented The G makes good use of the phrase: _"Ok, let's take a step back and return to basics, since what we are doing right now is not working well."_
I disagree. I think the renaming to Enterprise G was perfect, as as the ship design. The Enterprise is a fast & agile explorer, not a whale of a supertanker like the E & especially the F.
Basically ST Picard was an alternate timeline that was cancelled by Temporal when they A) let Luther Slones virus eliminate the changelings and B) stop the Zhat Vash from attacking Mars.
As the Titan A it look great, but as Enterprise -G it is a downgrade is not nearly enough to be the flag ship... It doesn't even have Quantum torpedoes i mean, event the Mighty Defaiant as it and she is a thought little ship
My conspiracy theory is that originally P:S3 was going to have the E get a proper send-off instead of a throwaway line about worf crashing it, and the F being introduced as the new hotness instead of a random catastrophic failure. Instead the awesome legacy of the Titan gets thrown away, the F and E are brushed under the rug, and most importantly we can never have legacy as long as SNW is on because you can’t have two different series with knockoff Connies named enterprise running simultaneously. I do like the Connie III design and I’m just an Oddy fan ranting at the end of the day but boy does it bum me out how they handled it.
I love the new ship design. Growing up loving the films even more than the original series, having an updated Constitution Class just added that extra bit of sexiness. Lots of people seem to think it's a downgrade but they state at the beginning of the series why: it's an exploratory ship. Since TNG, Federation ships have slowly but surely been getting bigger, badder and more militarised to deal with the theat of the Borg (though mostly being used against the Dominion). But any true Trekkie will know that Roddenberry HATED the idea of Starfleet becoming too militarised. That is precisely why he made a drastic change with the uniforms between Star Trek 6 and TNG. He wanted them to look like anything other than military. And consideriing Picard Season 3 was basically an homage to TNG - and considering the fact that the Borg were no longer considered a threat - it made sense that the newer ships would be made smaller but faster than the rest of the dreadnoughts that had been taking up most of the fleet for 30 years. And I kind of like the fact that the Enterprise is no longer the most powerful ship in the fleet. Is kind of a cliche at this point that the flagship always seems to carry this same name. Now it's just a mid-sized starship (compared to the Odyssey Class at least), it seems to blend in as just another ship in the fleet. Which is how it should be
I personally still feel like the use of the Titan-A's design does not "blend" with the fleet, but rather stick out in a way. Especially when we look at the Sagan-class for example.
The Enterprise A was sleek and beautiful in design, but since that time the oversized saucer or elongated saucer didn't have the same appeal to me, the Enterprise G was the first of the newer Enterprise ships that I could get excited about.
I admit, I'm not a particular fan of what they did with this ship in calling it the Enterprise-G. In a sci-fi setting, it's ok to have older ship designs that are still used by a space fleet. A great example is the Miranda and Excelsior designs, which lasted well into TNG and DS9. However, it can be assumed that these were surplus ships that were still being used well past their expiration date (I mean, if they still work, then what does it matter?). The Titan/Enterprise G feels very much like a retro-clone ship design (yes, I know it's a Consitution III class or something). But building new ships based on the old design doesn't really make sense per se, especially in Star Trek. In other Sci-fi settings, especially where space fleets are starving to have ships pumped out, it's ok to use old parts stripped from previous warships to throw into new ones. With Star Trek, where replication technology clearly exists, the need to slap older-style phaser arrays onto it is very weird and out of place. They can try to argue that they retired a bunch of older Starfleet ships and used this class as a new platform to dump surplus old tech, but it isn't made too clear on that, nor does that really make much sense anyway. The only thing that I can say is I do like the look of the ship and the idea of it being an explorer cruiser. It's the only thing that works in the series, but not really worthy of being called "Enterprise." Unless a ship is brand new or mostly new, renaming an older ship can actually be a disservice to the vessel, crew, and its prior legacy.
Which tbh would fit perfectly in the Enterprise B to C eras, I don't get why they tried to force it to be a post E and F era ship when it's clearly not.
@@shadowki497 you had a Conny type TMP conny or Federation class TMP at Wolf 359 we have ships on the sea now that are from WW1 IE the Russian sub salvage ship ... what i dont like is they are saying a 300ish m ship is 500ish m ship .. its dumb and we can all see with out eyes the ship details do not support it being a 500ish m ship stupid hollywood people ...
While I preferred the ship to be the Titan since that lineage had it's own legacy. I fine with a Neo-Costitution Class Enterprise. If Ranking Enterprise designs for me it goes. 1: Constitution Class Refit sometimes referred to as the "Enterprise Class" used in the films. My absolute favorite starship design. 2: Galaxy Class. 3: Sovereign Class. 4: Kelvin Timeline Enterprise (I liked it people sue me). 5: Original NX Class. 6: Ambassador Class. 7: TOS Constitution Class. 8: Neo-Constitution Class. 9: NX Refit seen in PIC. 10: SNW/DISCO Enterprise. 11: Odyssey Class (I hate the neck and think the ship is too big. I'm a bigger fan of the Vesta Class). 12: Enterprise-B I love the Excelsior Class it's 2nd only to the Constitution Refit to me, but I dislike the Enterprise-B variant don't mess with perfection. Same issue with the Galaxy-X from All Good Things. 13: Kelvin Timeline Enterprise-A I hated the changes made. 14: Universe Class the Enterprise-J.
The Titan-A was pure science vessel not a command ship the luna class Titan was a command ship this ship was science vessel was built for skeleton crew to be fast training vessel that's it. It was a very considerable downgrade compared to the original titan and any other enterprise named ship exception to the NX enterprise.
Top of the line most powerful starship made by the federation in service for two days gets a computer cold so they scrap her in favor of doing a complete refit of a ship already a decade out of place that needed new shielding, weapon, computers and so on. Yeah makes perfect sense. Honestly Picard season 3 was great for the D's return but the choice to do this at the end is garbage writing. The main excuse is it's meant to represent a new era of peace so they de-militarize. WTF the Federation has never been more unstable and at threat minus maybe the Dominion war, this is the perfect time to have your flagship be a symbol of power as the Enterprise always was. If anything they should have refit the F with Rikers underslung super phaser from the Alternate Enterprise D refit. Shitty writing to ruin the end of otherwise a good season and what has been the only good Trek since the end of the TNG era.
It's ridiculous. S1 PIC had the Federation going borderline isolationist already. But after several rapidfire federation-threatening events culminating in the borg hijacking/destroying most of starfleet's ships and killing off most of the senior command and giving every surviving member of starfleet PTSD. Starfleet is *Crippled* but now is the time to demilitarize? Good thing the Klingons or whomever weren't watching when this went down and didn't decide to pick a fight.
They could have at least had the Enterprise-D rebuilt to _Galaxy X_ Dominion War refit specifications. It could have been explained that all the components Geordie got to rebuild the D were from Galaxy X refits damaged in the war, including the spares to get the Saucer back in working order. So, in the end, it was simpler to use the Galaxy X specification as the default standard because all the replacement parts and the secondary hull were already operating on that standard. Then, in the big Borg battle, we get to see a full Galaxy X in all its glory. The biggest capital ship Starfleet ever built fully kitted out to be a warship. The refit was the D on steroids.
The Enterprise F wasn't 2 days old in Picard. Shelby was commanding her final ceremonial flight prior to her decommissioning. Her systems were compromised during the Monfette Gambit and she had been in service for about 12 years.
@@76TomD :D :D I know it wasn't tweo days old :D learn how to recognise sarcasm and satire. Don't state objvious things that the show litterally tells you in an attempt to sound smart it's really lame. Scrapping a top of the line ship that has systems damage in favour of a refit of a refit of a 200 year old ship is just dumb, especially in a time the federation was at it most vulnerable. It would have cost more repairing and upgrading the TItan than to just fix the F's computers. It was dumb shitty writing and there is no way around that sorry, thats just fact.
I do like Bill's work, but it's a shame that he didn't decide to use his Excalibur refit as the basis for the Connie Mk III. It is the Constitution done right... The design used for the Enterprise G is fine as starships go, but lacks any elegance or power.
I thought the Enterprise 1701-D was the worst looking of all the Enterprise ships. It had short stubby warp nacelles and the saucer section also looked stubby and less sleek that saucer sections that pointing forward.
I like the Titanprise design, but I get it's an acquired taste. My only real gripe is that it looks like Starfleet is having serious budget cuts regarding their flagships. I like them all but my personal favorite is the Enterprise E.
Why does it need to be the flagship? The Enterprise hasn’t always been a flagship. And it’s a silly term since a flagship is the ship from which an Admiral commands a fleet and “flys his flag.” There’s no admiral on the Enterprise. The G takes over the mantle of the Enterprise from the lash-up D. That’s right & proper as it’s the other of the two ships that saved the Federation. And the G is a right & proper exploration cruiser, agile & fast, not the whales the E & F had become.
I don't like how the Enterprise G looks. It's all about the Enterprise E! The sleekest, sexiest ship to ever bear the name Enterprise! My personal favorite!!
How is a ship nearly the size of a Galaxy not able to dock a runabout sized ship in a hangar? This ship is so wrong on so many levels and in so many ways. You can only go so fast in sublight before you approach light speed. Having that many impulse engines may give you a boost to acceleration but that many can only start to hinder it's maneuverability. I mean watching Data "drift" the less than 50% original D, it can't be that big of a help if an older ship almost comparable in size can do it just fine with 3(which was insane to begin with). Also cutting up the saucer is dumb too because you're reducing interior volume to put in more unnecessary engines. This show played too much on folks good memories instead of doing something original and respectful to the franchise.
Star Trek vessels were always growing in size there’s no logic to the idea of making a starship smaller the odyssey class was never given the chance to prove himself at 1061 m it was a respectable size Russell which amendment capability and spin quantum propulsion systems
I think it's a fantastic looking ship, I like everything about it... but it should never have been called an Enterprise. They should have built a new legacy on the Titan name, a name plate that suited the ship perfectly. Whatever is called the Enterprise should be named as such from space dock, intended so from the start of it's service life.
It probably looks fantastic because it's not even an original design. It's literally just an upscaled Okinawa class with wonky nacelles bolted on. And I *do* love the Okinawa class, I even have a 3d-printed model of it on my bookcase right now! But the titan was done so bad by the showrunners this way. And that was already on top of killing off the original Luna class version, which a lot of fans wanted to see.
I never liked Enterprise-D. "C" was okay, but really, it kinda looked like a mishmash ship made up of bits and pieces of other starships (mostly Enterprises A and D). The TOS and movie Enterprises (especially the refit version) is still my favorite. I like Enterprise-B a lot... but that's mostly because I'm a fan of the Excelsior class, in general. I think that's also why I much prefer Enterprise-E over "D". I didn't care for Enterprise-J. NX-01 is okay. The designers succeeded, IMHO, In giving it retro-future look. Enterprise-F was okay, I guess. We didn't get to see much of it or what it could do... but it looked fine. I like the look of Enterprise-G. Hopefully, we may get to see it in action again someday.
only thing if the didnt remove the cloaking device be second enterprise can cloak (Enterprise D can cloak after pegasues event they never stated they removed it)
Its about the name not the ship. all i ask for is a tall ship and star to sail her by. even if it was a garbage scow name enterprise ,, it would be the best garbage scow in space.
They could have made the enterprise g a Yorktown Class since its a Refit of the Odyssey and if canon is right the enterprise A was originally the uss Yorktown so it could have come full circle
While I understand a lot of the annoyance with renaming the Titan-A to Enterprise-G, I really like the design of the Neo-Connie. I feel like I might be the only person in the world who feels that way, but I really love the look of the vessel. I think she would have been a great hero ship for the "Star Trek Legacy" show that will never happen, but it feels so weird to make her the Enterprise after the last two were massive warships. I suppose they could have emphasized that they did it because the Federation has been too militarized, and they want to return to their roots of exploration, so they made a fast, nimble vessel the Flagship. Like how easy would that have been to include, they just had their war-fleet taken over by the borg and they could realize having that much firepower was a double edged sword, and that becoming a military force after the Dominion war has led them down the wrong path. I feel like that was sort of the trajectory of the whole Picard series, was people realizing they have taken the wrong path. From Picard realizing that hiding away was wrong, to Starfleet itself becoming more militarized and disrespecting it's own past. This is shown how people treated Picard in Season 1 at Starfleet. It continues in Season 2 with realizing that accepting their own past is key to saving the future. Then it showed how embracing the embodiment of the ideals of the Starfleet golden age, the Enterprise-D crew, they could save the galaxy. Maybe they could have had the remaining top brass of Starfleet openly say this, followed by building a new Enterprise following in the footsteps of the D.
It looks great I agree. But it ain't the flagship of the Federation. Why scrap a top of the line ship with a computer cold when clearly the Titan had to undergo major computer, weapon, shield, engine and hull upgrades to make it serviceable? The G needed it's main computer fixing and that was it, it was cheaper to fix and it was a symbol of power needed when the Federation was at it's most vulnerable since the Dominion war. Sorry the choice to make the Titan the new Enterprise is garbage writing of the lowest class and no intelligent government would make this decision. Imagine if they made the enterprise E an Excelsior Refit? Yep the Earth would belong to the Borg, sorry I love the Titan but it should have remained the Titan, they didn't make Voyager the new Enterprise E did they, no because the writers had a working brain.
@@Lowflyingmoose Sorry, I should have been more clear in my original post. I didn't separate my ideas well in it, I agree that the Titan becoming the flagship was the wrong move. I meant that if they wanted to communicate the idea of moving away from militarization like the E and F, and towards exploration and scientific missions again they could have made a science vessel the flagship and made a statement about it in the ending of the show. The idea that they learned a lot since Picard's return to action in season 1, and how rejecting the golden age heroes of the TNG era nearly led to the annihilation of the Federation and Earth. So they could have made a USS Legacy, even, and made it a science vessel. Not a Neo-Connie, but something less like a war-vessel like the E and F seemed to be. I apologize for not being more clear in separating my love for the Neo-Connie design and my dislike of making a ramshackle vessel the Flagship. I couldn't agree with you more, and I was trying to build a coherent vision out of the "feel" that the entirety of Picard had, which seemed to be about learning from past mistakes and learning to grow forward.
@@keatscast7434 Yeah I get ya, I do love the Titan, I think it's a sweet ship and a great hero ship. But I couldn't dissagree more with the demilitarisation side of picard. If anything the universe is telling them to arm themselves better. It has been threat after threat. I do agree creating a class of ship for exploration like a new voyager class would have been dope. The Federation could have done that and said we want to be explorers again. They also at the same time could have done a refit of the F and made it more powerful with more redundant systems that make it less vulnerable to cyber attacks. Only an insane person would disarm the Federation at this point, they have never been more at risk and they need a show of force and a solid defence. It is garbage writing and no government no matter how enlightened would ever do this, honestly at this point a small Dominion task force could wipe out the entire Federation, it's just garbage writing.
Not only do the current writers for their "flagship" shows Picard and Discovery not understand Trek and screwed up majorly in a way that made me Pine for Chris as Kirk, but the designers for the ships failed like the Acolyte show. The ships are bland, and they had to go to non-canon sources get some better designs. STO in most cases. The California class, as much as I love the Cerritos, is just a copy paste of the Miranda with the rear section of the NX-01, not bad for a kitbash, but come on! The Protostar is a Nova with some bits added on top, or rear and a pointier saucer, which reminds me of the Prometheus. The most unique ship of the lot would be Discovery but that thing was horrendous on the first trailer, then just became less bad, the whole ring design is... inefficient to be polite. The Picard ships, yeah they do not stand out, they are honestly a fail, and the only one that shows a bit of its own character is yet another Kitbash, and this video does a better job at explaining. And then they took the Titan and turned it into an Enterprise. They did that just to pi$$ on every fan of Riker and crew. Oh and don't get me started on the Story. First season was just infuriating, they destroyed the heart of the Federation just to set up some social commentary but in a really awful way. They had to explain it away in Prodigy , but when they do it it still left a sour taste. I h8 Nu Trek. The Frankenstein monster of the USS Yeager is more original than the stuff they put out. Maybe instead of modeling everything in CGI, they should go back to making the model physically and THEN turning it to CGI. This also applies to Star Wars, and I believe they did do this for some stuff, just not the horrendous bloated ISD wannabee of the last movie in the awful sequel. Wait, all of this stems from JJ and his buddy Kurtzman.
The Discovery's design made sense if they'd kept the plot she was designed for. Namely she was supposed to jettison the outer ring so her silhouette more closely resembles a D7 Klingon Warship for an undercover mission. Bryan Fuller had some good ideas.
@@BillDavis1962 I am aware of that... But me personally, I would find that... Uncomfortable. Banging your dead friend's wife and naming YOUR kid after him, like a double F U
This ship was from the wrong era and shouldn't have been the Titan, but making it the Enterprise together with its Nepotism crew was the death of the series, and needlessly done in the final moments for no good reason. I hope we never see it or its crew again on screen.
I like it BUT, hey went backwards in size. Between F and J; each should have progressively increased, size wise, in relation to the two, With Jack Crusher and Seven having been Borg physically incorporated....mot a good idea. They better give the final story of E at some point.
There is a reason for that: for the last 30 years, they've been building bigger, badder and more like a dreadnought with a more militarised starfleet (they no longer have whole families on board like on Galaxy Class ships). This was to combat the Bord threat. By Picard Season 3, the Borg are believed to be either dead or part of a new unofficial Federation member (the Co-operative, led by Queen jurati). So they begin to do what always happens with new trends - they look backwards for inspiration. But it is often the case that technology with go through trends of becoming either bigger and bolder or small and compact. Titan is small, but fast. Which is ideal because it is - as they state from the outset - an exploratory ship. The same as the Galaxy Class, but without all the families (hence no need to be quite as large). The ship isn't just smaller, it is leaner. It's like someone deciding that they'e had enough of driving round in a monster truck and instead opted to buy themselves a Ducati
I love the Shangri-La class but putting 25th century engines on it and calling it the "Neo-Constitution class," then making it the Enterprise-G (???!) was just several slaps in the face. What the f were they thinking
Definitely not a fan of the design. My biggest problem is that they renamed it AFTER Shaw died protecting the Titan-A, which had only just entered service. If they were going to waste the name, they should’ve just renamed it to the USS Shaw or USS Ro Laren. (Plus I’m an Odyssey lover, they did the Enterprise-F dirty)
I think the Enterprise F was done dirty if you ask me. It was designed by Adam Ihle for a competition for Star Trek Online and the moment we see it in live action form it's almost immediately discarded. Even the Bridge set for it was a lazy redress of the Titan bridge. Then they want us to accept the former Titan A is now the new Enterprise. I'll never accept that, it will never be the Enterprise as far as I'm concerned.
Everyone involved with the creation of this ship should be in jail. From basic art, design, rendering, script to the producers who approved it. As the Titan A it was a shit idea. To call it Enterprise G was a crime against humanity worse than that shit-show called Discovery.
It should've been called the Uglyprise, it looks like they went through STO's starship customisation on the constitution class and chose the nasty bits for this ship.
I like the ship. I don't think it should have been the Titan, and it sure as hell shouldn't have been renamed Enterprise, it should have stood on its own and been its own hero ship. But I like to imagine--and I know, Picard never portrayed it this way, but in my head it makes more sense--I like to imagine that the NeoConstitution was the product of post-Dominion War rebuilding. Major shipbuilding in Sol had to pause, so the Federation was faced with a shortage of ships and a simultaneous loss of production capacity. So they needed to churn out ships and rebuild the peacekeeping part of the fleet to counter the increase in freebooters and piracy that was happening (which we see give rise to the Rangers). So then the NeoConstitution needed to rely on older, proven designs that were simpler but also more battle-focused, rather than slick new tech, because more manufacturers across more worlds needed to be able to build them with whatever infrastructure they had in place.
I've tried to accept this ship as an Enterprise. But it's just not up to flagship standard - which is what any starship christened Enterprise traditionally was. While it makes a good support vessel there is nothing really remarkable in it's design, size or armorment compliment. A huge backward step backward when compared to it's predecessors.
Picard season 3 was much better and more like Star Trek than any of the modern shows. I did not like the fact that the Titan, a ship with her own history and legacy gets completed scrapped and renamed the Enterprise-G? No thanks the Titan was already old herself, the enterprise-g should have been the next class up after the odyssey class. Enterprise-F being decommissioned after only a few moments on screen because of a computer virus was beyond lame in my opinion, give an enterprise flagship a better way out!
After the Enterprise D, the absolute most lazy design - those warp nacells look like 1970's subway cars! People need to remember that most of the beloved movie ships were built on a budget and insane timeline. It was all about getting a paycheck for most. The original Enterprise layout makes no sense - yet modern Trek hangs on to the "age of sail" limitations of the OG. Enjoy!
I cannot believe there is so much serious discussion about why the ship is designed to resemble older ships instead of looking newer. Are we just pretending the series exists for some purpose other than nostalgia-baiting longtime fans out of their money and viewership? Of course they're going to make it look like the "iconic" versions of the Enterprise, they're selling memberberries. Same reason that the Star Wars sequels have the First Order using the same TIE fighter design as the original movies. If you want new things, you need to watch a new franchise...
I've said it before....and I'll say it again....the ,(F), should have been the,(HERO), ship...and if not....I'll submit the DUDERSTADT....NUFF SAID😳🤨😖💯%!!!
There Must Still be Other Thing ' s in the Star Trek Worth Watching OR Re watching for the Ten Time Just Not This Ship I can not Even write the Name E ;
Hi Bill, thanks for the comment :) Did you watch the video? Just a quick note, there is no "hate parade" towards you, the design, or Star Trek. This is not true. Our video highlights the technical, lore and behind the scenes information. We also focus on criticising the renaming of the ship to Enterprise, which we don't agree with and therefore highlight this, along with other factors on the story approach - not your design. Stay Well!
@@TychoYard Titan being renamed is a big sore point for many fans. It's a testement to the ship that it evoked the kind of affection that made many us upset its legacy was overwritten. Titan earned the A, and lore dictates it should have kept its name, or is only 'Enterprise' worthy of a legacy? But it's that renaming, not the design that is the issue. If you'd watched the video you'd have gotten that, though I get the title is misleading, but that's UA-cam for you. And while I totally understand the gut reaction to be protective of your design, trying to leverage your status to start a pile on to quash any preceived criticism or difference of opinion is beyond harsh, and shitty behaviour.
I'm not a fan of the Enterprise G, but its not as bad as the Enterprise J. It's the worst starship design in all of Star Trek, not just the worst Enterprise. I'd even put it behind all those terrible 32nd Century Discovery ships. (And I fucking hate every last one of those.)
Which Enterprise destroyed the small, round Borg ship emerging from the main body of the square Borg ship in one of the movies? In THAT movie, Picard ordered Mr. Worf to launch some Quantum torpedoes to destroy it. So yeah, THAT Enterprise actually did have some Quantum torpedo launchers, if that is indeed the same ship mentioned in the video. I think I'm correct, unless I'm confused about the various ships called Enterprise.
I agree at the end. Renaming the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G did the Titan very dirty. I would have liked to have seen a plot where the borg take over of the fleet somehow "cured" the Enterprise F's computer issues and it would have been put back into service. The whole "Computer cascade failure" issue with the F was a shit plot. I mean why not just switch the darn computer cores out with new ones? These ships are built to be modular. And in fact the A's computer core was switched out between movies 5 and 6. Also I HATE the look of the G.
This ship shouldn't have been renamed. Somehow Riker's Luna-class Titan was refashioned into the Neo Constitution-class Titan-A, a ship that already had a proud enough lineage to deserve a hyphen, and it should never have been rechristened Enterprise-G. It doesn't have the gravitas to be an Enterprise (flagship of the Federation) and with the Enterprise-F due for decommissioning I'm surprised Starfleet didn't already have plans for a nameworthy Enterprise-G in the wings. It was a very poor choice for just a couple of moments of onscreen warmth.
I hate the disrespect of this ship represents both towards the Enterprise F and the Titan. In regards to the out-of-place retro-style nostalgia bait, it bears a uncannily strong resemblance to the Okinawa class, but upscaled, which is a shame because the Okinawa class executes the lost-era aesthetic so much better (why does every modern Trek ship have to have ugly overdesigned nacelles?). The original Luna class looked much better as a 'modern' Trek design, but I guess the designers got to get their paychecks.
I was so hoping that they would have totally restored Enterprise D / with the 3rd engine from "All good things" last episode of TNG. She would have another 20 year extension in the stars with Capt. Seven 😅
The ship is quite elegant in a way but making it the Enterprise was a mistake. You can fill it with quantum torpedoes if you want but it's just not a powerful enough ship in fact I doubt it would survive a battle with the Enterprise D and Voyager would take it out easily
It’s all been said here, but yes, they should not have made the Titan-A the Enterprise-G. It is not a worthy new member of its heritage and is certainly not worthy of being the Federation flagship. They should have just left it as the Titan-A, but I could have accepted it as the Picard, which is what I expected the rename to be. It was a terrible choice along with mothballing the Enterprise-F for no good reason for its television debut.
This is not an Enterprise… if it needed to be renamed from the Titan, it should have been the USS Picard. As a ship I like it, but it’s just not the Enterprise.
Have y’all forgotten about the Enterprise J? That ridiculousness of a starship is, my opinion the worst Enterprise.
And it's only 3 letters away... dun dun dun! 😹
I hate EVERYTHING about this ship! It was recycled from the Titan then renamed Enterprise? This lore is just full blown retardation.
Welcome to new Trek. 😢
@@qdllc The best new Trek is Lower Decks and SNW and they've canceled Lower Decks.
What's frustrating is the ship itself is OK, It's design is a recycled design the Shangri-la class, If they kept it as that, said it was upgraded and recommissioned due to the need to rapidly ships following the Utopia Planitia destruction, then I have no issue with it being the hero ship for that season. If they were insistent on the whole "it's a rebuilt Titan" Then make it such, take the Titan and upgrade it but keep its key design features. In the end they failed to do either.
And then at the end to rename it the Enterprise made no sense at all. In Trek Enterprise has always meant something more. From the NX being the first warp 5 ship to each subsequent Enterprise being a member of the most advanced design of their age. Even the A, though itself a renamed ship was still a Constitution II/refit. Which till the completion of the Excelsior project was still Star fleet premier vessel! (Personally I wouldn't of minded if the A was revealed at the end of ST4 as being the newly commissioned second ship of the Excelsior class, But understand that for the sake of the movies maintaining the visual continuity makes sense.)
The Enterprise G sticks out like a sore thumb in this line up going from the premier ship of the fleet to a rebuilt ship based not on it's own design but on an even older design.
And all this after we had a massive fleet of the copy and past class, in season 1 of Picard and the fleet of frankly much better design like the New Stargazer we got in season 2.
Oh and thanks to Terry metalis and his Fanboy mentality he couldn't accept TNG designs and then he literally came in and said okay I'm going to be a fanboy throughout this entire ordeal and kill the Enterprise f
@@Blackmark7410correct it they call it a Neo Constitution but it doesn't resemble a constitution-class Starship is a poser ship
I don't like how they took a perfectly good looking design (Titan) and made it look 100 years older.
Justice for the Luna-class!
@@HangarBayI don’t understand how the Titan went from the Luna class, as shown on lower decks, to this abomination on STP.
@@lesliejames9404simple they reuse parts from both.
Its ridiculous, all of it. There's like a dozen starfleet constuction facilities. Utopia Planitia aint the only one. Also the ship is literally an upscaled shangri la class. Lazy writing
@@deafblindnoob2748 I agree!
Titan was a perfectly serviceable name. They didn't need to rename her.
Also, if you're gonna rename her in honor of her crew saving the Federation (which, why do that and erase the achievements from that name?), why go for naming her in a way that makes her 'just another Enterprise'? Why not call her the Picard, or the Shaw, or the Seven of Nine, or, y'know, after some other prominent crewmember?
Apparently the original plan was for it to be rechristened as the USS Picard, hence why he was so emotional in the shuttle. They somehow pivoted at the last moment and went with Enterprise instead. It’s not a bad ship, but it’s not a flagship. Not the pinnacle of their tech and innovation at the time, so it shouldn’t be an Enterprise.
@michaelkenny7314 - Fully agree! In fact, I'd argue that Titan earned her own identity and legacy and renaming her was a disrespect to her as well.
@Sunstreaker2k5 agreed. It just didn't seem capable as a Flagship.
They did both the E and F dirty in a season that was just undignified in its fan pandering. Picard S1 and 2 were bad on a fundamental story telling level but 3 was also bad in that regard and having the TNG crew and the D in it did not suddenly make it good. Picard made Star Trek as a whole worse.
And why bother with the F? Why not leave it in the 2420s or whenever STO put it? If you want to do the Galaxy class call back have the Sovereign class get disabled, but dont have a fan favourite non-TV ship turn up as a jobber and then replace it with a fugly half saucer thing.
@jhf2121 You are correct the enterprise E the enterprise F. Did not get the Justice.They were entitled and enumerated because terry Metallism is cowards.They had their own agenda And preferences and through the lore In established story arts under the bus So you could have his fan boy moment They could have had the enterprise E Then the hero ship of the series to give it a final send off and then the enterprise f could have been The newest ship On the television Series but Alas, what's done is done.
@@jhf2121 Terry Matalas is a hack just like Kurtzman.
@@TheDogGeneral I agree! Terry was selfish and pathetic!
@@jhf2121 I agree! Terry was selfish and pathetic for how he treated the E and F!
@alexwilson9886 correct on all accounts he was given the keys to the ship and he decided you know I'm not going to care about established canonical lore I'm just going to ask the Enterprise F throw the Enterprise E into the waistband of history and Resurrect The Enterprise D because he was a fan of TNG more so which it's fine to have your preferences.
But you have to have respect for the previous and sequential sessions of Star Trek ultimately the Enterprise E in the Enterprise F should have been included in Star Trek Picard the Enterprise E could have been in place of the Titan and thus retiring the Enterprise E resurrecting the Enterprise D and launching the Enterprise F it would have worked lol
However, instead, we were left with a man-child that saw this as his opportunity to personalize track to his own preferences
The U.S.S. Titan should never have
A. Been named the Titan-A to begin with
B. It should never have be renamed to the Enterprise. It would have been better to have honoured Picard by calling the ship the Jean-Luc Picard or simply the Picard.
What went wrong?
Secret Hideout and Alec Kurtzman went wrong.
Matalas may have made the best series in Secret hideouts lineup, but he was hamstrung by Secret Hideouts divorce from Trek lineages so the producers could hire cheaper staff.
Not to mention… they turned the Titan into another class of ship, then renamed her. If they had anyone who knew naval tradition, what they did would be seen as unlucky as the Lunar class was a perfectly fine ship with no reason to take her apart and rebuild her…. Let alone rename her.
Enterprise-A would beg to differ.
@@TheFlyingSailorYT The ship didn't have the legacy of the Titan though.
Yeah. no kidding. renaming a ship at any time, for any reason... Its an insult to the name.
I'm sure it was Matalas, his writing for Picard S3 is full of nostalgia, he probably wanted everything to be a callback to the TOS movies
@@nekodesigner Correct. Matalas is the one with the nostalgia kick for the TOS TMP era. The previous showrunners kept the 25th century aesthetic with the Inquiry class.
I suspect that Starfleet didn't make a new ship to be the Enterprise-G for the same reason the Constitution III was made - the destruction of the Utopia Planetia shipyard. Starfleet can no longer just build an arbitrary new ship to take up the mantle of the Enterprise. They are, for the first time in almost ever, resource-constrained, at least as far as ship construction is concerned. They just didn't have a new ship of suitable quality lying around and could not construct one and get it where they wanted it to be in time to roll out the next Enterprise.
That justification doesn't fly with me. I mean, the original Enterprise was built at San Francisco shipyards, while Bill Krause's Tycho Shipyards is Beta Canon.
The Federation should have plenty of other shipyards available to build brand new ships. It also doesn't make tactical sense to be dependent on one particular shipyard in order to commission a particular type of vessel, especially after the Dominion War.
That doesn't hold water. Just as the idea that all the ships we saw on Frontier Day is actually the whole of Starfleet. There were more ships in Operation Return on DS9. The Producers during the TNG era estimated that there were 35,000 ships in Starfleet, so the idea that Starfleet of all organizations is short handed seems ridiculous. Especially since Utopia Planitia is not only not the only fleet yards in the Federation, it's not even the only one in the Sol System. There's Marin County Shipyards, San Francisco Fleet Yards, Baikonur Cosmodrome, and the Luna Shipyards. Then there are the ones elsewhere in the Federation, like the Beta Antares Shipyards that constructed the Prometheus.
@@3Rayfire I think that I read somewhere that Beta Antares had a contract for building Defiant class starships.
And 35,000 would have been following massive losses at the beginning of the Dominion War. There were definitely more, and following the Dominion War, there would have been at least as many.
For Frontier Day, it could have been all of the ships in the region (about a weeks worth of travel in spherical radius from Earth), and vessels in need of leave/refit/equipment upgrades/replacements.
But no organization is ever going to sign on to bringing an entire damned fleet into one area.
Enterprise is supposed to be the flagship. _That_ is not flagship material
This has been my argument for a long time.
What's wrong with a small flagship?
AND THE ENTERPRISE 1701 IS FLAGSHIP MATERIAL! YOU KNOW NOTHING! THE ENTERPRISE 1701 WAS MADE FLAGSHIP OF THE FLEET TO HONOR HER CREW NOT THE SHIPS PUTTS! A SHIP IS ONLY AS GOOD AS HER CREW PERIOD!
@@michaelfowler2603 Flagships have duties that a ship that small can't fulfill. Putting a "great" crew in a dingy doesn't make the dingy flagship material.
And turn off your capslock, you child.
@michaelfowler2603 Enterprise 1701 refers to Kirk's original ship, a Constitution Class. In your frothing rage you forgot the "J". Or are you so ill-informed on Star Trek lore that you didn't know that?
I believe the most likely out of universe (real world) explanation for this is the reason they did this. They had planned for a series to pickup where Picard Season 3 left off. Why build all new sets for a differnet ship and throw these sets away when you can just "re-christen" the ship the Enterprise -G and cut down on production costs if that other series ever happened?
Even logic must give way to physics...
They should have learned from Discovery that an ugly hero ship hurts the viewership
Except Season 3 had the highest viewership of the entire series.
@@chefzilla314 at the beginning of season 3 my hopes where high
@@marcneef795 I really enjoyed season 3 so much better than season 1. Didn't watch S2.
Highest of the lowest point isn't really something to boast about though, it was consistently bad and was canceled because of it. Thanks to it Trek is pretty much dead except to die hards that stick around with the false hope of "maybe it will get better". We won't have any good Trek again until they sell the IP or get rid of Kurtzman and team.
@@shadowki497 Actually, SNW is quite good. Perhaps Kurtzman had not yet time to ruin it...
They should have made the series 3 "Titan," an *Excelsior 2* class, and have an early encounter where the Shrike completely blows away the Burst Quantum Slipstream drive, so it's disabled for the entire season.
Such as a barrage of Quantum torpedoes being portaled straight back into the QS drive deflector dish or some other large system that can't be repaired easily in the field.
And some of the weapons get damaged as well, to explain why a powerful ship like a Excelsior 2 has to run.
And simply scale up the Shrike so it's still a overmatch for the "Titan."
Then a later spin off series features a fully repaired Excelsior 2 under Captain 7 of 9 that is more appropriate for the long range missions the plot requires.
The Constitution 3 class is not going far beyond the Frontier, it's not a long range ship.
It's for patrolling within and near Federation space.
I may be the only one who really likes the Enterprise G.
Me too. I don't get the hate. A Constitution saucer (with a twist) along with Sovereign-like nacelles and with an Excelsior deflector. All nostalgia while still feeling fresh
I was always a fan of the Shangri-La class so seeing this new version was a delight, I was just sad to see they ditched the forward Tri Torpedo launchers. I also preferred the more angular nacelle pilons of the original Shangri-La class. All that being said I do feel they didn't need to rechristen it Enterprise. I think it would have been great to have another hero ship no named enterprise but I guess they went for s safer more dramatic story line.
Picard production team slapped the new type of nacelles on her to match the type of the new Stargazer. I agree that the saucer forward torps on the Shang looked mean!
Titan was the little starship that could. I feel it earned the name Enterprise. It had grit and spirit.
Excellent take! I agree. It’s a proper Enterprise.
The Enterprise D saved the Federation, so needed to be honoured. It was, however, too old to be put back in service. The Titan also saved Starfleet, so needed to be honoured. They'd also just lost a shed-load of ships. Making the ship that had done so much the new "flagship" seems a very sensible way to honour both vessels at a time when you are seriously short of ships.
Seriously short I feel is a bit of an exaggeration. Just as the idea that all the ships we saw on Frontier Day is actually the whole of Starfleet. There were more ships in Operation Return on DS9. The Producers during the TNG era estimated that there were 35,000 ships in Starfleet, so the idea that Starfleet of all organizations is short handed seems ridiculous. Especially since Utopia Planitia is not only not the only fleet yards in the Federation, it's not even the only one in the Sol System. There's Marin County Shipyards, San Francisco Fleet Yards, Baikonur Cosmodrome, and the Luna Shipyards.
@@3Rayfire No more of an exaggeration than the exaggerated reaction to the 1701-G, really. Also, they have just lost a lot of ships. We see the effects of that in one battle. How wide ranging was the Borg Virus? What effect did that have in other sectors? We only saw one little bit of the picture. We also need to remember the ships lost during the Mars incident (which was still a major incident), the losses during the Protostar incident. Sure, there were other ships (the cut & paste fleet for one). Lots of them - but what state were they in after all this? Space is much bigger than people really grasp, and the area covered by the Federation is really beyond imagining - so they were certainly short of ships and I stand by my statement.
Its an old already rebuilt and very underpowered ship. You don't honor it, you scrap it.
There's no possible excuse for the rename or the flag ship elevation of this junker. Its a TOS era fan ship Terry just liked so much he used it for his show. It should not even exist in the Picard show era at all.
@@lesigh1749 Using your arguments, I guess 1701A was no better and DS9 ought to have been scuttled on the spot. There is plenty of reasons why anyone with a service background and understanding of respect would want to respect both vessels. I can tell, though, that you're just sulky as it didn't match your personal preferences. When you're older, you might work out that life doesn't always revolve around your personal likes and dislikes.
@@CountySchoolSM It didn't match the era. it is visually exactly what it fan designer made the model of it to be, a TOS era light cruiser. Its as out of place in the Picard era as a modern US navy story featuring a coal powered irons hulled WW1 era dreadnought would be.
DS9 isn't a federation station, its run by them for the Bajoran's who have nothing but war surplus from their invasion. NCC 1701-A doesnt stay in service long, a decade at most and it is put in a museum after ST 6.
In canon on Picard the Titan is already an old ship when Riker takes it over after Nemesis and this show is THIRTY YEARS LATER. Its ready for retirement, not to be the head of the fleet.
FYI I'm probably older than you.
I really liked Captain Shaw. Would have happily watched him front up a new show.
I think that Starfleet should have at least upgraded the Enterprise D for at least 5 to 7 more years while they designed and workout the kinks out of the new Enterprise F with a new class of Starship. But with the Enterprise D that ship would have the third warp nacelle and phaser cannon under the saucer section and with the cloaking device.
What a weird idea? No conceivable reason they would or even could do that. What they did was highly correct and perfect.
@@BillDavis1962 Perfect?
would they name a ship after a person who is still alive? i mean, I guess Picard is technically dead, but still.
Yes. It is not a requirement to be deceased.
Here’s a scary thought. We are only two letters away from the J.
Well you have to take in account that Enterprise-J was from alternate timeline.
G was so bad Starfleet had to retire Enterprise for a few generations
Why is The Enterprise G the Flagship. Well consider how many People above the age of 25 were killed when The Borg took control of Younger Members of the fleet. You throw in how many ships were destroyed in Prodigy Yes Prodigy is Canon, and there were a lot of ships destroyed/damaged including the Enterprise E.
Also The Borg infected all federation ships under Automated Fleet Systems.
I doubt they were able to replace all Captains, First Officers in one year. Which means. Starfleet would be hard pressed to assemble any fleet. I mean it was only one year lapsed, and Starfleet without an Enterprise is well..dumb.
They hate paying royalties to ship designers.
Is that why they did this then
I wondered about that. Luna class-Titan killed offscreen alongside the Sovereign-class Enterprise, Odyssey-class Enterprise F follows before the end of the season. The legacy designs sure got shafted for a season built so heavily around nostalgia.
What I don't get, is why this new design follows the look of the decades-old Okinawa-class ship design. Like the resemblance is *really* strong-less a homage and more like a direct copy.
@@catoblepasomega But even then the "Constitution III" class is itself just a Shangri La class in new pants! If they didn't wan to use the Luna class or the E and F which were all amazing in their own rights they could've at least designed something new and original!
@@Blackmark7410 My thoughts exactly.
@@Blackmark7410 It's so insane. "Here's a refit of the Luna class that makes it look exactly like a 23rd century class, and it's actually the brand new Neo Constitution class!" ... what?
My only gripe with the ship is the naming controversy.
I do like this evolution of the Constitution class, rechristening the Titan-A into Enterprise-G can be debated, but it is my opinion, making the Titan into Enterprise is not a bad move.
Taking into account that Enterprise is meant to be a name related with exploration and discovery, it makes sense to use the G as its model to uphold the UNoP and Starfleet mission. The D was also meant to be like this and more multirole.
The Odyssey F was more combat oriented
The G makes good use of the phrase: _"Ok, let's take a step back and return to basics, since what we are doing right now is not working well."_
I agree completely, these folks wanting the hideous E or F just don’t get it. The G is the most proper Enterprise in a long time.
I love the Constitution 3 design but agree that it should have been left as the Titan and a new ship given the Enterprise name.
I disagree. I think the renaming to Enterprise G was perfect, as as the ship design. The Enterprise is a fast & agile explorer, not a whale of a supertanker like the E & especially the F.
Basically ST Picard was an alternate timeline that was cancelled by Temporal when they A) let Luther Slones virus eliminate the changelings and B) stop the Zhat Vash from attacking Mars.
As the Titan A it look great, but as Enterprise -G it is a downgrade is not nearly enough to be the flag ship... It doesn't even have Quantum torpedoes i mean, event the Mighty Defaiant as it and she is a thought little ship
My conspiracy theory is that originally P:S3 was going to have the E get a proper send-off instead of a throwaway line about worf crashing it, and the F being introduced as the new hotness instead of a random catastrophic failure.
Instead the awesome legacy of the Titan gets thrown away,
the F and E are brushed under the rug,
and most importantly we can never have legacy as long as SNW is on because you can’t have two different series with knockoff Connies named enterprise running simultaneously.
I do like the Connie III design and I’m just an Oddy fan ranting at the end of the day but boy does it bum me out how they handled it.
I love the new ship design. Growing up loving the films even more than the original series, having an updated Constitution Class just added that extra bit of sexiness. Lots of people seem to think it's a downgrade but they state at the beginning of the series why: it's an exploratory ship. Since TNG, Federation ships have slowly but surely been getting bigger, badder and more militarised to deal with the theat of the Borg (though mostly being used against the Dominion). But any true Trekkie will know that Roddenberry HATED the idea of Starfleet becoming too militarised. That is precisely why he made a drastic change with the uniforms between Star Trek 6 and TNG. He wanted them to look like anything other than military. And consideriing Picard Season 3 was basically an homage to TNG - and considering the fact that the Borg were no longer considered a threat - it made sense that the newer ships would be made smaller but faster than the rest of the dreadnoughts that had been taking up most of the fleet for 30 years. And I kind of like the fact that the Enterprise is no longer the most powerful ship in the fleet. Is kind of a cliche at this point that the flagship always seems to carry this same name. Now it's just a mid-sized starship (compared to the Odyssey Class at least), it seems to blend in as just another ship in the fleet. Which is how it should be
I personally still feel like the use of the Titan-A's design does not "blend" with the fleet, but rather stick out in a way. Especially when we look at the Sagan-class for example.
The Enterprise A was sleek and beautiful in design, but since that time the oversized saucer or elongated saucer didn't have the same appeal to me, the Enterprise G was the first of the newer Enterprise ships that I could get excited about.
I admit, I'm not a particular fan of what they did with this ship in calling it the Enterprise-G. In a sci-fi setting, it's ok to have older ship designs that are still used by a space fleet. A great example is the Miranda and Excelsior designs, which lasted well into TNG and DS9. However, it can be assumed that these were surplus ships that were still being used well past their expiration date (I mean, if they still work, then what does it matter?).
The Titan/Enterprise G feels very much like a retro-clone ship design (yes, I know it's a Consitution III class or something). But building new ships based on the old design doesn't really make sense per se, especially in Star Trek. In other Sci-fi settings, especially where space fleets are starving to have ships pumped out, it's ok to use old parts stripped from previous warships to throw into new ones. With Star Trek, where replication technology clearly exists, the need to slap older-style phaser arrays onto it is very weird and out of place. They can try to argue that they retired a bunch of older Starfleet ships and used this class as a new platform to dump surplus old tech, but it isn't made too clear on that, nor does that really make much sense anyway.
The only thing that I can say is I do like the look of the ship and the idea of it being an explorer cruiser. It's the only thing that works in the series, but not really worthy of being called "Enterprise." Unless a ship is brand new or mostly new, renaming an older ship can actually be a disservice to the vessel, crew, and its prior legacy.
this ship is nothing but a Shangri-La class Refit
Which tbh would fit perfectly in the Enterprise B to C eras, I don't get why they tried to force it to be a post E and F era ship when it's clearly not.
@@shadowki497 you had a Conny type TMP conny or Federation class TMP at Wolf 359 we have ships on the sea now that are from WW1 IE the Russian sub salvage ship ... what i dont like is they are saying a 300ish m ship is 500ish m ship .. its dumb and we can all see with out eyes the ship details do not support it being a 500ish m ship stupid hollywood people ...
Yes! The Enterprise-G should’ve been a Odyessy Type II class Starship aka Yorktown class not the Titan!
I seriously disliked that ship. Too anachronistic while also having all those stupid, blocky addons like STO ships
I think she looks great. Not some overdone whale of a ship.
Constitution Class were tanks.. They were built to take insane amounts of damage.
I feel the worst one by far is the JJ Abrams Enterprise. PERIOD. My favorite is the NX-01 !!!
NX-01 is a gem tbh!
the worst? the one from 1958 ... it was a fleet carrier. it couldn't fly.
While I preferred the ship to be the Titan since that lineage had it's own legacy. I fine with a Neo-Costitution Class Enterprise.
If Ranking Enterprise designs for me it goes.
1: Constitution Class Refit sometimes referred to as the "Enterprise Class" used in the films. My absolute favorite starship design.
2: Galaxy Class.
3: Sovereign Class.
4: Kelvin Timeline Enterprise (I liked it people sue me).
5: Original NX Class.
6: Ambassador Class.
7: TOS Constitution Class.
8: Neo-Constitution Class.
9: NX Refit seen in PIC.
10: SNW/DISCO Enterprise.
11: Odyssey Class (I hate the neck and think the ship is too big. I'm a bigger fan of the Vesta Class).
12: Enterprise-B I love the Excelsior Class it's 2nd only to the Constitution Refit to me, but I dislike the Enterprise-B variant don't mess with perfection. Same issue with the Galaxy-X from All Good Things.
13: Kelvin Timeline Enterprise-A I hated the changes made.
14: Universe Class the Enterprise-J.
The Titan-A was pure science vessel not a command ship the luna class Titan was a command ship this ship was science vessel was built for skeleton crew to be fast training vessel that's it. It was a very considerable downgrade compared to the original titan and any other enterprise named ship exception to the NX enterprise.
Top of the line most powerful starship made by the federation in service for two days gets a computer cold so they scrap her in favor of doing a complete refit of a ship already a decade out of place that needed new shielding, weapon, computers and so on. Yeah makes perfect sense. Honestly Picard season 3 was great for the D's return but the choice to do this at the end is garbage writing. The main excuse is it's meant to represent a new era of peace so they de-militarize. WTF the Federation has never been more unstable and at threat minus maybe the Dominion war, this is the perfect time to have your flagship be a symbol of power as the Enterprise always was. If anything they should have refit the F with Rikers underslung super phaser from the Alternate Enterprise D refit. Shitty writing to ruin the end of otherwise a good season and what has been the only good Trek since the end of the TNG era.
It's ridiculous. S1 PIC had the Federation going borderline isolationist already. But after several rapidfire federation-threatening events culminating in the borg hijacking/destroying most of starfleet's ships and killing off most of the senior command and giving every surviving member of starfleet PTSD. Starfleet is *Crippled* but now is the time to demilitarize? Good thing the Klingons or whomever weren't watching when this went down and didn't decide to pick a fight.
@@catoblepasomega Yep as I said dumb writing. At least we got to see the Enterprise D kick ass, so there was some silver lining.
They could have at least had the Enterprise-D rebuilt to _Galaxy X_ Dominion War refit specifications.
It could have been explained that all the components Geordie got to rebuild the D were from Galaxy X refits damaged in the war, including the spares to get the Saucer back in working order. So, in the end, it was simpler to use the Galaxy X specification as the default standard because all the replacement parts and the secondary hull were already operating on that standard.
Then, in the big Borg battle, we get to see a full Galaxy X in all its glory.
The biggest capital ship Starfleet ever built fully kitted out to be a warship.
The refit was the D on steroids.
The Enterprise F wasn't 2 days old in Picard. Shelby was commanding her final ceremonial flight prior to her decommissioning. Her systems were compromised during the Monfette Gambit and she had been in service for about 12 years.
@@76TomD :D :D I know it wasn't tweo days old :D learn how to recognise sarcasm and satire. Don't state objvious things that the show litterally tells you in an attempt to sound smart it's really lame. Scrapping a top of the line ship that has systems damage in favour of a refit of a refit of a 200 year old ship is just dumb, especially in a time the federation was at it most vulnerable. It would have cost more repairing and upgrading the TItan than to just fix the F's computers. It was dumb shitty writing and there is no way around that sorry, thats just fact.
I do like Bill's work, but it's a shame that he didn't decide to use his Excalibur refit as the basis for the Connie Mk III. It is the Constitution done right... The design used for the Enterprise G is fine as starships go, but lacks any elegance or power.
I didn’t get to make any choices.
That bridge is way too big for the number of bridge personnel.. So unnecessary. just like the whole of Discovery
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I thought the Enterprise 1701-D was the worst looking of all the Enterprise ships. It had short stubby warp nacelles and the saucer section also looked stubby and less sleek that saucer sections that pointing forward.
I like the Titanprise design, but I get it's an acquired taste. My only real gripe is that it looks like Starfleet is having serious budget cuts regarding their flagships. I like them all but my personal favorite is the Enterprise E.
Why does it need to be the flagship? The Enterprise hasn’t always been a flagship. And it’s a silly term since a flagship is the ship from which an Admiral commands a fleet and “flys his flag.” There’s no admiral on the Enterprise. The G takes over the mantle of the Enterprise from the lash-up D. That’s right & proper as it’s the other of the two ships that saved the Federation. And the G is a right & proper exploration cruiser, agile & fast, not the whales the E & F had become.
I don't like how the Enterprise G looks. It's all about the Enterprise E! The sleekest, sexiest ship to ever bear the name Enterprise! My personal favorite!!
The E & F are hideous.
@@BillDavis1962 I disagree on the E, but the F, yeah that is hideous.
How is a ship nearly the size of a Galaxy not able to dock a runabout sized ship in a hangar? This ship is so wrong on so many levels and in so many ways. You can only go so fast in sublight before you approach light speed. Having that many impulse engines may give you a boost to acceleration but that many can only start to hinder it's maneuverability. I mean watching Data "drift" the less than 50% original D, it can't be that big of a help if an older ship almost comparable in size can do it just fine with 3(which was insane to begin with). Also cutting up the saucer is dumb too because you're reducing interior volume to put in more unnecessary engines. This show played too much on folks good memories instead of doing something original and respectful to the franchise.
How would maneuverability be hindered in Zero G. If anything it would be more maneuverable.
Star Trek vessels were always growing in size there’s no logic to the idea of making a starship smaller the odyssey class was never given the chance to prove himself at 1061 m it was a respectable size Russell which amendment capability and spin quantum propulsion systems
Where is Warp 13? And the Slipstream technology should have been perfected long ago. Not to mention Voyager’s future tech from Admiral Janeway.
With Quantum Torpedoes and a few refits, the ship can handle itself fine.
I think it's a fantastic looking ship, I like everything about it... but it should never have been called an Enterprise. They should have built a new legacy on the Titan name, a name plate that suited the ship perfectly. Whatever is called the Enterprise should be named as such from space dock, intended so from the start of it's service life.
It probably looks fantastic because it's not even an original design. It's literally just an upscaled Okinawa class with wonky nacelles bolted on. And I *do* love the Okinawa class, I even have a 3d-printed model of it on my bookcase right now! But the titan was done so bad by the showrunners this way. And that was already on top of killing off the original Luna class version, which a lot of fans wanted to see.
I never liked Enterprise-D.
"C" was okay, but really, it kinda looked like a mishmash ship made up of bits and pieces of other starships (mostly Enterprises A and D).
The TOS and movie Enterprises (especially the refit version) is still my favorite.
I like Enterprise-B a lot... but that's mostly because I'm a fan of the Excelsior class, in general. I think that's also why I much prefer Enterprise-E over "D".
I didn't care for Enterprise-J.
NX-01 is okay. The designers succeeded, IMHO, In giving it retro-future look.
Enterprise-F was okay, I guess. We didn't get to see much of it or what it could do... but it looked fine.
I like the look of Enterprise-G. Hopefully, we may get to see it in action again someday.
Its just a fantasy spaceship! Get over it!
The Eclipse class from STOL is FAR superior
The Enterprise-G was monstrous, and so was its crew.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Baloney, highly appropriate rename, fantastic crew. I hope the series gets made!
I personally don’t think it’s a bad ship. I quite like the ship myself.
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I HATE THE G !!!
Too bad. It’s the best Enterprise since TOS.
I like the g but they should have made the f as the new enterprise g
only thing if the didnt remove the cloaking device be second enterprise can cloak (Enterprise D can cloak after pegasues event they never stated they removed it)
Its about the name not the ship. all i ask for is a tall ship and star to sail her by.
even if it was a garbage scow name enterprise ,, it would be the best garbage scow in space.
They could have made the enterprise g a Yorktown Class since its a Refit of the Odyssey and if canon is right the enterprise A was originally the uss Yorktown so it could have come full circle
Let’s just be glad Discovery is over. Their flag ship is the Jazz Jennings.
If they ever come out with a "Star Trek Legacy" show, I bet they give the Enterprise-G a major refit.
I hope not and I doubt it. It’s perfect the way it is.
While I understand a lot of the annoyance with renaming the Titan-A to Enterprise-G, I really like the design of the Neo-Connie. I feel like I might be the only person in the world who feels that way, but I really love the look of the vessel. I think she would have been a great hero ship for the "Star Trek Legacy" show that will never happen, but it feels so weird to make her the Enterprise after the last two were massive warships. I suppose they could have emphasized that they did it because the Federation has been too militarized, and they want to return to their roots of exploration, so they made a fast, nimble vessel the Flagship. Like how easy would that have been to include, they just had their war-fleet taken over by the borg and they could realize having that much firepower was a double edged sword, and that becoming a military force after the Dominion war has led them down the wrong path. I feel like that was sort of the trajectory of the whole Picard series, was people realizing they have taken the wrong path. From Picard realizing that hiding away was wrong, to Starfleet itself becoming more militarized and disrespecting it's own past. This is shown how people treated Picard in Season 1 at Starfleet. It continues in Season 2 with realizing that accepting their own past is key to saving the future. Then it showed how embracing the embodiment of the ideals of the Starfleet golden age, the Enterprise-D crew, they could save the galaxy. Maybe they could have had the remaining top brass of Starfleet openly say this, followed by building a new Enterprise following in the footsteps of the D.
It looks great I agree. But it ain't the flagship of the Federation. Why scrap a top of the line ship with a computer cold when clearly the Titan had to undergo major computer, weapon, shield, engine and hull upgrades to make it serviceable? The G needed it's main computer fixing and that was it, it was cheaper to fix and it was a symbol of power needed when the Federation was at it's most vulnerable since the Dominion war. Sorry the choice to make the Titan the new Enterprise is garbage writing of the lowest class and no intelligent government would make this decision. Imagine if they made the enterprise E an Excelsior Refit? Yep the Earth would belong to the Borg, sorry I love the Titan but it should have remained the Titan, they didn't make Voyager the new Enterprise E did they, no because the writers had a working brain.
@@Lowflyingmoose Sorry, I should have been more clear in my original post. I didn't separate my ideas well in it, I agree that the Titan becoming the flagship was the wrong move. I meant that if they wanted to communicate the idea of moving away from militarization like the E and F, and towards exploration and scientific missions again they could have made a science vessel the flagship and made a statement about it in the ending of the show. The idea that they learned a lot since Picard's return to action in season 1, and how rejecting the golden age heroes of the TNG era nearly led to the annihilation of the Federation and Earth. So they could have made a USS Legacy, even, and made it a science vessel. Not a Neo-Connie, but something less like a war-vessel like the E and F seemed to be. I apologize for not being more clear in separating my love for the Neo-Connie design and my dislike of making a ramshackle vessel the Flagship. I couldn't agree with you more, and I was trying to build a coherent vision out of the "feel" that the entirety of Picard had, which seemed to be about learning from past mistakes and learning to grow forward.
@@keatscast7434 Yeah I get ya, I do love the Titan, I think it's a sweet ship and a great hero ship. But I couldn't dissagree more with the demilitarisation side of picard. If anything the universe is telling them to arm themselves better. It has been threat after threat. I do agree creating a class of ship for exploration like a new voyager class would have been dope. The Federation could have done that and said we want to be explorers again. They also at the same time could have done a refit of the F and made it more powerful with more redundant systems that make it less vulnerable to cyber attacks. Only an insane person would disarm the Federation at this point, they have never been more at risk and they need a show of force and a solid defence. It is garbage writing and no government no matter how enlightened would ever do this, honestly at this point a small Dominion task force could wipe out the entire Federation, it's just garbage writing.
Not only do the current writers for their "flagship" shows Picard and Discovery not understand Trek and screwed up majorly in a way that made me Pine for Chris as Kirk, but the designers for the ships failed like the Acolyte show. The ships are bland, and they had to go to non-canon sources get some better designs. STO in most cases.
The California class, as much as I love the Cerritos, is just a copy paste of the Miranda with the rear section of the NX-01, not bad for a kitbash, but come on!
The Protostar is a Nova with some bits added on top, or rear and a pointier saucer, which reminds me of the Prometheus.
The most unique ship of the lot would be Discovery but that thing was horrendous on the first trailer, then just became less bad, the whole ring design is... inefficient to be polite.
The Picard ships, yeah they do not stand out, they are honestly a fail, and the only one that shows a bit of its own character is yet another Kitbash, and this video does a better job at explaining. And then they took the Titan and turned it into an Enterprise. They did that just to pi$$ on every fan of Riker and crew.
Oh and don't get me started on the Story. First season was just infuriating, they destroyed the heart of the Federation just to set up some social commentary but in a really awful way. They had to explain it away in Prodigy , but when they do it it still left a sour taste. I h8 Nu Trek.
The Frankenstein monster of the USS Yeager is more original than the stuff they put out. Maybe instead of modeling everything in CGI, they should go back to making the model physically and THEN turning it to CGI. This also applies to Star Wars, and I believe they did do this for some stuff, just not the horrendous bloated ISD wannabee of the last movie in the awful sequel. Wait, all of this stems from JJ and his buddy Kurtzman.
The Discovery's design made sense if they'd kept the plot she was designed for. Namely she was supposed to jettison the outer ring so her silhouette more closely resembles a D7 Klingon Warship for an undercover mission. Bryan Fuller had some good ideas.
@@3Rayfire Yep
My quesstion is why did Beverly name Picard's son after her first and dead husband
Because her first husband was Picard’s close friend.
@@BillDavis1962 I am aware of that... But me personally, I would find that... Uncomfortable. Banging your dead friend's wife and naming YOUR kid after him, like a double F U
The J is the worst
This ship was from the wrong era and shouldn't have been the Titan, but making it the Enterprise together with its Nepotism crew was the death of the series, and needlessly done in the final moments for no good reason. I hope we never see it or its crew again on screen.
I like it BUT, hey went backwards in size. Between F and J; each should have progressively increased, size wise, in relation to the two, With Jack Crusher and Seven having been Borg physically incorporated....mot a good idea. They better give the final story of E at some point.
No! No more damn whales like the E & F. The G is a proper Enterprise. A fast & agile explorer & defender.
There is a reason for that: for the last 30 years, they've been building bigger, badder and more like a dreadnought with a more militarised starfleet (they no longer have whole families on board like on Galaxy Class ships). This was to combat the Bord threat. By Picard Season 3, the Borg are believed to be either dead or part of a new unofficial Federation member (the Co-operative, led by Queen jurati). So they begin to do what always happens with new trends - they look backwards for inspiration. But it is often the case that technology with go through trends of becoming either bigger and bolder or small and compact. Titan is small, but fast. Which is ideal because it is - as they state from the outset - an exploratory ship. The same as the Galaxy Class, but without all the families (hence no need to be quite as large). The ship isn't just smaller, it is leaner. It's like someone deciding that they'e had enough of driving round in a monster truck and instead opted to buy themselves a Ducati
@@McKamikazeHighlander Yes! Exactly. Though I would not say Ducati. More like a Land Rover or a really good off-road vehicle or backwoods airplane.
I love the Shangri-La class but putting 25th century engines on it and calling it the "Neo-Constitution class," then making it the Enterprise-G (???!) was just several slaps in the face. What the f were they thinking
Definitely not a fan of the design. My biggest problem is that they renamed it AFTER Shaw died protecting the Titan-A, which had only just entered service. If they were going to waste the name, they should’ve just renamed it to the USS Shaw or USS Ro Laren. (Plus I’m an Odyssey lover, they did the Enterprise-F dirty)
I think the Enterprise F was done dirty if you ask me. It was designed by Adam Ihle for a competition for Star Trek Online and the moment we see it in live action form it's almost immediately discarded. Even the Bridge set for it was a lazy redress of the Titan bridge. Then they want us to accept the former Titan A is now the new Enterprise. I'll never accept that, it will never be the Enterprise as far as I'm concerned.
Everyone involved with the creation of this ship should be in jail. From basic art, design, rendering, script to the producers who approved it. As the Titan A it was a shit idea. To call it Enterprise G was a crime against humanity worse than that shit-show called Discovery.
It should've been called the Uglyprise, it looks like they went through STO's starship customisation on the constitution class and chose the nasty bits for this ship.
I like the ship. I don't think it should have been the Titan, and it sure as hell shouldn't have been renamed Enterprise, it should have stood on its own and been its own hero ship. But I like to imagine--and I know, Picard never portrayed it this way, but in my head it makes more sense--I like to imagine that the NeoConstitution was the product of post-Dominion War rebuilding. Major shipbuilding in Sol had to pause, so the Federation was faced with a shortage of ships and a simultaneous loss of production capacity. So they needed to churn out ships and rebuild the peacekeeping part of the fleet to counter the increase in freebooters and piracy that was happening (which we see give rise to the Rangers). So then the NeoConstitution needed to rely on older, proven designs that were simpler but also more battle-focused, rather than slick new tech, because more manufacturers across more worlds needed to be able to build them with whatever infrastructure they had in place.
I've tried to accept this ship as an Enterprise. But it's just not up to flagship standard - which is what any starship christened Enterprise traditionally was.
While it makes a good support vessel there is nothing really remarkable in it's design, size or armorment compliment.
A huge backward step backward when compared to it's predecessors.
Picard season 3 was much better and more like Star Trek than any of the modern shows.
I did not like the fact that the Titan, a ship with her own history and legacy gets completed scrapped and renamed the Enterprise-G?
No thanks the Titan was already old herself, the enterprise-g should have been the next class up after the odyssey class.
Enterprise-F being decommissioned after only a few moments on screen because of a computer virus was beyond lame in my opinion, give an enterprise flagship a better way out!
After the Enterprise D, the absolute most lazy design - those warp nacells look like 1970's subway cars! People need to remember that most of the beloved movie ships were built on a budget and insane timeline. It was all about getting a paycheck for most. The original Enterprise layout makes no sense - yet modern Trek hangs on to the "age of sail" limitations of the OG. Enjoy!
I cannot believe there is so much serious discussion about why the ship is designed to resemble older ships instead of looking newer. Are we just pretending the series exists for some purpose other than nostalgia-baiting longtime fans out of their money and viewership? Of course they're going to make it look like the "iconic" versions of the Enterprise, they're selling memberberries. Same reason that the Star Wars sequels have the First Order using the same TIE fighter design as the original movies.
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I've said it before....and I'll say it again....the ,(F), should have been the,(HERO), ship...and if not....I'll submit the DUDERSTADT....NUFF SAID😳🤨😖💯%!!!
There Must Still be Other Thing ' s in the Star Trek Worth Watching OR Re watching for the Ten Time Just Not This Ship I can not Even write the Name E ;
Christening this ship "Enterprise" was the only black mark on the last season of Picard.
Black mark? Bull. It was the absolute best outcome. Positively inspired. Perfect.
Well that’s a big kick in the head. Thanks a lot.
Hi Bill, thanks for the comment :)
Did you watch the video? Just a quick note, there is no "hate parade" towards you, the design, or Star Trek. This is not true.
Our video highlights the technical, lore and behind the scenes information. We also focus on criticising the renaming of the ship to Enterprise, which we don't agree with and therefore highlight this, along with other factors on the story approach - not your design.
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@@HangarBaylooking at the your consideration to some of these comments, that says more to me than anything.
@@TychoYard Titan being renamed is a big sore point for many fans. It's a testement to the ship that it evoked the kind of affection that made many us upset its legacy was overwritten. Titan earned the A, and lore dictates it should have kept its name, or is only 'Enterprise' worthy of a legacy? But it's that renaming, not the design that is the issue. If you'd watched the video you'd have gotten that, though I get the title is misleading, but that's UA-cam for you. And while I totally understand the gut reaction to be protective of your design, trying to leverage your status to start a pile on to quash any preceived criticism or difference of opinion is beyond harsh, and shitty behaviour.
They should have done something Like a Galaxy-II Class instead
I'm not a fan of the Enterprise G, but its not as bad as the Enterprise J. It's the worst starship design in all of Star Trek, not just the worst Enterprise. I'd even put it behind all those terrible 32nd Century Discovery ships. (And I fucking hate every last one of those.)
Making Titan A the new Enterprise was just plain lazy.
Which Enterprise destroyed the small, round Borg ship emerging from the main body of the square Borg ship in one of the movies? In THAT movie, Picard ordered Mr. Worf to launch some Quantum torpedoes to destroy it. So yeah, THAT Enterprise actually did have some Quantum torpedo launchers, if that is indeed the same ship mentioned in the video.
I think I'm correct, unless I'm confused about the various ships called Enterprise.
This obsession with retro looking ships in modern trek is just ridiculous.
The G is fantastic. Better than those damn ugly E & F. Or the hideous B.
I agree at the end. Renaming the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G did the Titan very dirty. I would have liked to have seen a plot where the borg take over of the fleet somehow "cured" the Enterprise F's computer issues and it would have been put back into service. The whole "Computer cascade failure" issue with the F was a shit plot. I mean why not just switch the darn computer cores out with new ones? These ships are built to be modular. And in fact the A's computer core was switched out between movies 5 and 6.
Also I HATE the look of the G.
So there will be a new titan and a reused enterprise 😂
This ship shouldn't have been renamed. Somehow Riker's Luna-class Titan was refashioned into the Neo Constitution-class Titan-A, a ship that already had a proud enough lineage to deserve a hyphen, and it should never have been rechristened Enterprise-G. It doesn't have the gravitas to be an Enterprise (flagship of the Federation) and with the Enterprise-F due for decommissioning I'm surprised Starfleet didn't already have plans for a nameworthy Enterprise-G in the wings. It was a very poor choice for just a couple of moments of onscreen warmth.
I hate the disrespect of this ship represents both towards the Enterprise F and the Titan. In regards to the out-of-place retro-style nostalgia bait, it bears a uncannily strong resemblance to the Okinawa class, but upscaled, which is a shame because the Okinawa class executes the lost-era aesthetic so much better (why does every modern Trek ship have to have ugly overdesigned nacelles?). The original Luna class looked much better as a 'modern' Trek design, but I guess the designers got to get their paychecks.
I was so hoping that they would have totally restored Enterprise D / with the 3rd engine from "All good things" last episode of TNG. She would have another 20 year extension in the stars with Capt. Seven 😅
They’d never had done that to a ship that old.
The "G" earned the name Enterprise in my opinion. Besides, wasn't the USS Yorktown renamed USS Enterprise 1701-A?
The ship is quite elegant in a way but making it the Enterprise was a mistake. You can fill it with quantum torpedoes if you want but it's just not a powerful enough ship in fact I doubt it would survive a battle with the Enterprise D and Voyager would take it out easily
It’s all been said here, but yes, they should not have made the Titan-A the Enterprise-G. It is not a worthy new member of its heritage and is certainly not worthy of being the Federation flagship. They should have just left it as the Titan-A, but I could have accepted it as the Picard, which is what I expected the rename to be. It was a terrible choice along with mothballing the Enterprise-F for no good reason for its television debut.
This is not an Enterprise… if it needed to be renamed from the Titan, it should have been the USS Picard.
As a ship I like it, but it’s just not the Enterprise.
Huge disservice to the name Titan and Enterprise in my opinion.