I'm getting some confusion from folks so want to clarify -- all I'm addressing in this video is the way that cancel culture has been intentionally weaponized. Not cancel culture as a whole, as I think there's already so much great content out there about the topic (see Contra Points). All I felt that I could add to the conversation, as mentioned, is this specific angle of how it is being abused
“If we don't have a space for white supremacists to go when they denounce the KKK, how do we ever expect them to leave?” Powerful question. I wonder if cancel culture is the most recent iteration of virtue, righteousness, and moral superiority that has justified many violent actions throughout history; only done via social media. Cantaloupes only get a bad rep because the rind takes a while to chew. It’s important to slow down and enjoy the little things.
That room to change is really important. I appreciate your choice of sound bites. I'm not a fan of Obama or Silverman, because Obama was into Chicago Politics and a War Hawk and Silverman hates cantaloupe...but I'm giving them the room to grow. Currently Barack has taken great strides and is now into DC Politics and no longer has the Football...and Sarah...well...she is throwing a tantrum in a cantaloupe field. There's cantaloupe guts everywhere! Thankfully, it isn't my field.
@@GW196 cancel anonymity, that'll help a lot. Or put an age restriction on social media for 18+... At least then people will have 'some' degree of social maturity when they start to use it and won't grow up thinking death threats and eating detergent are cool things to do.
I'd love to see some stats that show how many of these "cancel campaigns" originate from a bunch of randos on Twitter. I got a feeling it's a terrifyingly large percentage.
What bothers me about this disgusting culture is that they say: “we’re holding them accountable and educating them”. And then the cancelled influencers show REAL and GENUINE change and people still bring up that bad thing the influencer did and won’t let them breathe without being salty and arrogant. Which makes it obvious that this is not about accountability, this is about ruining people.
Yup, every single time. It's always like "I don't believe they've actually changed" or "Are we going to forget what they did?" like no we aren't but moving on and trying to progress together is what we should be doing.
what pisses me off is when someone does something deemed problematic, and that person issues a public apology, a decent one, and instead of people accepting it and giving them a chance to prove that they were sincere in their apology, people?? make fun of?? the apology? like wow.
"If we don't have room for people to make mistakes, learn from them and do better, then what the hell do we think cancel culture is promoting? Real growth? or just getting really high on someone's low" I resonate with this statement a lot.
Um, what it is promoting is MY freedom not to buy crap or listen to illogic or lies. When an artist or content creator offers something worth watching or buying....great. But if a product or producer is not worthy of respect, I have better things to do with my time.
@@dorothyweaver8178 Cancel culture is not about boycotting a product Dorothy. Its destroying someones character to the point where there is no chance of coming back or growing as a human being, often over something minor. Its about sending someone an amount of hate that would make anyone think about ending it. Its cruel and vile hatred disguised as righteousness.
@@dorothyweaver8178 That's the difference between a boycott and cancel culture. Boycotts are to take a stance against someone or something, while cancel culture is forcing everyone else to take a stance because Karen is too self righteous and thinks that her opinion is more important that anyone else's and the world needs to bend to her whim. Karens need to be put back in their place of irrelevance, not validated. If you don't want a product, power to you, just don't take that choice away from me. As for personal growth I've decided to have more or less a zero tolerance to leftism. Any compromise is expected to come from me and will still put me at fault. Therefore it needs to be condemned for the emotional blackmail that it is.
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I think part of the issue is that even in situations where a person makes a small mistake and their fans respond to it in a reasonable way, the sheer amount of responses as well as the human tendency to focus on the most dramatic outliers in a sea of data mean that it can feel like a huge canceling even if very few people are actually going too far. This is almost just a byproduct of how social media works, and is why the argument that cancel culture is just people facing accountability for their actions isn't quite true, because the punishment gets multiplied by the sheer amount of people who take it upon themselves to deliver it.
@@eoincampbell1584 I totally agree with this. But what makes us think it’s okay to judge other people even before getting all the facts is really mind baffling. We read a headline and instantly become professional analysts and usually our goal is to tear down completely not to influence the persons involved to positive reformation or change. The worst part is we ourselves aren’t any better in some ways
Yeah, It’s expected to have a that type of frase describing something as cancerous as “Cancel Culture”, when news media now a days promotes hating the other side that thinks different. Also, many people gets their political arguments from just one source and don’t explore and seek the arguments of both sides. It’s easier to stay in one side of the bubble and hear the straw man argument of why hating the other side is ok. Now a days is easier to go and hate on people that we don’t agree on on their social media and call them names and slurs just to feel superior, instead of giving people an ear to feel that they are being listen to and at the same time being able to have an exchange of ideas where people are more susceptible to hearing new arguments and opinions. But well, now a days we have this because is easier to get our political opinions from celebrities, night show hosts and the polarizing media, instead of doing work and hearing both sides of the argument or finding neutral news sources. Hopefully society can change and take care of the tumor it itself have created called:“Cancel Culture”
As Miraculous Ladybug once said "It will be revenge not justice, and coercing someone into telling the truth is meaningless" and " Bullying a bad guy won't turn them into a good guy".
@@AshU-ug2fy Because it originally wasn’t meant to be a kid’s show - it was meant to be a commentary on social politics, for adults, wrapped up in a new animated superhero story. That idea got shot down by the tv network because they thought it would not appeal to a mass audience. Joke’s on the exces, though, because what aired is essentially the same thing, simply in a cloak of being aimed at children.
And they might not even be a bad guy.... they might be good guys that did a bad thing.... or did something unpopular.... or just had an unpopular opinion... JK Rowling actually didn't DO anything wrong. Every single action she's done before all of the hate was actually morally great and she did more to help the world than most people. But she had an opinion and bam, everyone hates on her. And she only became more spiteful AFTER all the bad treatment and how horrible people were towards her....
sometimes the culture on twitter feels like gaslighting. like, it’s gotten to the point where people are starting to say “people who are openly against cancel culture definitely have something to hide 👀” like... no. some of us just don’t want our timeline to be filled with endless rage all the time.
I honestly think twitter is just anoying unfollow everything and everyone that dosen't post anything that is not specifically and only non-political or just get rit of it all together
They outright deny cancel culture even exists because to them, they're just "correcting" other people's behavior (read: forcing everyone to conform to their beliefs and silencing anyone who dissents). I don't even think their beliefs are 100% wrong, I just think their tactics are incredibly counterproductive, immature, reactionary, ignorant of nuance.
"If we don't have a space for white supremacists to go when they denounce the KKK, how do we ever expect them to leave?" Best sentence I've heard all day.
This is so well articulated. People are more and more disconnected with themselves therefore it’s easier to look outside at others and try to fix them. We often try to escape our own faults and imperfections because it’s more challenging to fix and control.
I was taught this very valuable lesson at a young age. That lesson being: "Before pointing your finger at someone else. Try taking a good hard look at yourself before you call out the faults of someone else. Because you just find the very thing you wish to end to be within you. Learn to temper and fix yourself before you try and 'fix' someone else. Other wise other people will call you out and use your own ideals against you."
I remember a co-worker of mine saying something similar: "Realise when you point a finger at someone, your other three fingers are pointing back at you..."
I have noticed this “Holier than Thou” mentality on social media. If someone makes a mistake or is ill informed he/she is criticised or made fun of. And if that person tries to improve, he/she is reminded of their past and accused of being fake or a hypocrite.
You know what bugs me? When someone calls you out for being "misinformed" and then when you try to have a conversation with them and become informed, they expect you to go google everything yourself instead of having a real conversation. They don't want to spread awareness, they just want to get angry at people who aren't as woke as they are so that they can feel better about themselves.
@@AdmiralKarelia This!!! Going to google won't help us have a dialogue about our differences in opinion like you actually explaining how I offended you.
I had a friend who was just like this. They even kept "receipts" on me and their friends to use against, in the event they may need to expose me and their friends.... And of course, they use twitter incessantly. This mentality is incredibly harmful and can ruin your relationships with other people. I'm an eye-witness to that for sure.
I was kind of offended by the cantaloupe eater thing and would like the kindly say I eat mine with salt but it's more of a nostalgic thing for me my grandma ate hers like that and she's gone I really only started eating cantaloupe like that after she died and when I was a kid with her
Sounds about right. It's just like the age old Saying "If you are Pointing one finger at one person don't forget you have 3 fingers pointed at yourself." The Person You canceled made mistakes but I don't think that you haven't Made mistakes At all. (You being Metaphorical for the person cancelling someone else)
The issue is as well you can’t help people who don’t want to be helped, I’ve tried so many times to find equal ground and show someone statistics that prove their ideas are flawed in a way that they can grow and educate themselves but some people don’t want to educate themselves, some people think they’re right and will always be right and you can’t help people like that. I’ve never really jumped on any cancel culture bandwagon like I have issue with the lies jk Rowling and I noticed in one of her first outbursts of transphobia loads of trans Harry Potter fans trying to respond in the way I’ve tried and she just posted about how the trans mob were trying to cancel her which at the end of the day what are you supposed to do about someone with an unchanging mind when confronted with evidence.
@@dontworryimnotastalker5486 That's why it's very important to take action outside of internet too in my opinion, and discussing about point of view instead of arguing when it's possible
@@dontworryimnotastalker5486 It's quite rare for someone to say, "Your data is right, you're conclusions are right, I still disagree." most people think your "facts" are either opinion or flawed data that doesn't represent the real world, they disagree with your conclusions or it is a distortion. If you cancel someone for not accepting evidence it's a short road to you being canceled. I listened for years as MSNBC brought on guest after guest who "KNEW" that President Trump was a Russian agent, that the Russian's hacked the voting machines so he would win, that he had sex with prostitutes on a bed someone (Clinton? Obama? I forget) slept in & then pissed on it, etc... How many of those guests, hosts and shows should be canceled? The answer is none if you like what they say & all if you hate what they say. That is not justice. That's petty vengeance.
It uses humiliation, shame and guilt to get people to conform to a socially acceptable behavior instead of counseling and educating individuals about the impacts that their harmful behaviors have on society.
And they love using the "it's not my job to educate you" justification, even though to truth is with Cancel Culture there truly is no path to salvage. You're condemned to burn until they stop monitoring the fire and it fizzles out.
Fitting, since Gandhi himself made plenty of mistakes, and his racism in the past has forced a reckoning in recent years. But of course, you have to take a person in their totality. And nitpicking a few behaviors of someone born in the freaking 19th century doesn't define who they are... Thankfully. Because someone like Gandhi needs to be remembered for what he helped accomplish, not for some of his outdated attitudes and actions. Common sense prevailed in that case.
@@pouncepounce7417 Oh absolutely. They're out of control, and chiefly because they keep getting what they want. They've now seen that if you go after someone, more often than not you can harm them and make them go away. They call it "accountability" but it's just bullying (in the case of living people) and the ridiculous reframing of history (in the case of revered people long dead). It won't stop until they stop getting what they want. It's as simple as that. If people keep letting statues be torn down, schools being renamed, books quietly taken away from shelves, "disclaimers" added to movies, these people will just keep getting emboldened. Gandhi was a racist early in his life. He also had very particular views toward women. But without Gandhi, India quite simply would not have achieved independence. Simple as that. And without Gandhi, there's no Martin Luther King (who also had his character flaws, as well). Churchill was pretty racist. But without Churchill, England would not have survived the Second World War, and the English language would not have some of its most memorable quotations in recent history. But now they want to take Churchill's name off of schools and buildings. It's absolutely insane. But here we are, because the mob has been allowed to be empowered.
Because the people who involve themselves in caneling it aren't interested in freedom. They are looking for power they can wield over others. They have the naive belief that they can control power they are trying to take, and have no idea that if the idea works and they upend our culture and governance, they will be the first victims of the authoritarian replacements.
Sending someone to prison is slightly different than not buying someones products. Also I love the carefully disguised conservative bent of this channel. Reminds me of Johnny Harris. PragerU take notes this is how you do it.
@@pizzapanic1 Well that is quite the assumption. I like many conservative view points. Ask me about housing policy some time if you would rather discuss my conservative view points rather than your comment.
@@peterisawesomeplease antagonising all conservatives because I made a statement that you didn’t agree with really makes it seem that way, don’t you think? 🙂
@@pizzapanic1 I mean "Also I love the carefully disguised conservative bent of this channel. " was meant to be a bit of fun but I would hardly consider it an attempt to antagonize all conservatives. Maybe a just a few snowflakes.
Yep, this is why most powerful people avoid the public spotlight as much as possible. You never know when something you said years ago could be taken out of context and used against you.
You should read the book “Outraged: Why everyone is shouting and no one is talking” by Ashley Dotty Charles. Basically outlines why this thinking is harmful.
Don't think Sonic was a cancellation. It was just people saying they didn't like Sonic's design. It wasn't saying the producers, director, vfx lead, or character designer should be fired and shouldn't work again.
Agreed. The message was not "Don't release the movie!" but rather "Stick to the original design!", which frankly is pretty good feedback for many reboots, sequels and adaptations out there.
Yeah exactly, sonic was not cancel culture, more just a widespread sentiment of "How did this design get approved in the first place" especially after the redesign made him look wayyyy more like original sonic.
But it was. The design they first came up with was cancelled. The point is nuance. The outrage both disparaged the old design and appealed for a new one, and then people accepted the new one. It's also has to do with the intentions of the target in question and the balance of the outcry and what's being called for. I bet that at least a few of those who hated the first design called for the firing of the character designer and others, the difference is the producers and such just took the criticism and call for change and worked on that instead of the firing. The bad parts of cancel culture when weaponised is when the past is raged against but with no path out, no way in which redemption is earned. Or where both the target institution and media take the worse parts of the outcry and make it the representative of said outcry.
@@nfzeta128 With that sort of verbal gymnastics, you can bend _any_ expression of disapproval into “cancel culture.” That's not how it works. Also, people getting fired for doing a bad job is… kinda how the jobs work. Sonic may not have been bad enough to get anyone fired (mainly because it was fixed), but I think several people should have been fired over Cats, for example.
@@hellterminator The whole idea of cancel culture is verbal gymnastics. The problem is people don't acknowledge that and therefore all nuance is lost. Cancel culture at it's core is just public pressure by means of outrage to denounce and cancel a subject of their ire. People can get fired for doing a bad job but obviously everyone doesn't get fired the second they do less than 'good' at their job. However the same people who would have kept a job can be fired because of outside public pressure. I mean your very example is an indication. Some people, especially the ones working on the film, thought that Cats was fine enough to produce but in your case you thought people should have been fired for it. It's all subjective there, and unless the makers of the film decide themselves then having public pressure be the reason is still cancel culture. Even if you go the other way it just ends up where people only think what they are similarly outraged at is cancel culture, that's where the weaponising of the term would come in, and it works to divide people instead of the public as a whole coming together and thinking about what they say on the internet and how they express their ire.
I'm an academic philosopher. It's shocking the backlash Tuval (and other philosophers writing on similarly sensitive topics) has received from the public that does not understand what is going on in these articles. Philosophers are trained to critically examine arguments for many years at universities. The public is generally not that good at critical thinking and critical examination of arguments and views. Maybe just nicely ask the philosopher what they think the practical implications or their research would be?
if you're interested, it is the "blumenwalzer" (flower waltz) from tchaikowsky's ballet "the nutcracker" :-) one of the best pieces of classical music i know.
It happened to me. I had to cancel my account and to stop using my nickname to avoid going in a spiral of anxiety and depression thinking about possible future repercussions on my life.
Me too! I was taken out of context on my larger social media platform and I lost my job through social media as well as diagnosed PTSD, suicidal, anxiety, depression and finally went on medication to save myself. I’m getting better but I still can’t even look at the Instagram icon or I get a panic attack. What’s worse is I feel silenced in talking about the situation for fear of being mocked so I walked away from it all including my income to save myself.
I had mini versions of that happening to me, as does probably everyone else at some point. You say something, and suddendly you're bombarded by personnal attacks and whatnot. It gets depressing real quick, and I often avoid that place altogether for the next weeks at least. You know, might be another reason why echo chambers are so common. The algorithm is a problem, sure, but it doesn't help that going in another echo chamber means you'll almost certainly get mean comments, while staying in your own is chill.
Preach! Another problem no one is seeing - what this is doing to the minds and anxiety levels of kids and teens. Can no one see the messages they’re unintentionally picking up (make no mistakes or you’ll be ruined and left unloved) and the impact that’s having (crippling anxiety)?
@@dorothyweaver8178 the issue is the proportionality of those consequences, and the sadistic enthusiasm of self-appointed judges, juries and executioners. I've seen in University culture in particular that very young people who are struggling with self-worth embrace "Cancel Culture" as a means of feeling safer and more meaningful. That leads to an incredibly toxic atmosphere when left unchecked.
Let’s be honest here. The only reason people dislike cantaloupe and honeydew is because they are too often served when they’re not ripe enough. When they are at their actual perfect ripeness, they are delicious.
Cancel culture also occurs with banning books, cartoons, certain statutes, banning historical figures and on, and on. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, Sir Winston Churchill.
When I was in Basic, an MTI said that's why they gesture with their whole hand when they indicate something: "YOU AND ONLY YOU ARE WRONG!" He said "Right" and I turned left, so he -was- correct, in that moment.
The thing is, that's what she starts off saying. But then at 11:58 it sounds like she supports cantaloupe??? WE NEED ANSWERS, ANNA! ARE YOU WILLING TO DENOUNCE CANTALOUPE OR NOT?
It's exactly what I say to my daughter about the 'bullies' at school: "When somebody feels bad, the fastest way to make themselves feel better is to make everybody else feel worse." It's selfish, harmful, and needs to be called out when we see it. Folks need to understand that the journey is the thing and we need to recognise our frailties. Also, we call them Rockmelon and they're still foul by another name.
That whole “path to redemption” reminds me of a story from Tera Brock, about a mother who adopted the boy who killed her son. The boy was in a gang and forced to kill a kid for initiation, and was sentenced to three years. At his trial, the mother of the boy he murdered told the killer “I’m going to kill you.” Then when he was in jail, she visited him regularly. She talked with him, brought him food, and was his only visitor. She asked where he had to go after his time was up, and he had no one, so she allowed him to stay at her house. Then she asked if she could adopt him, and he said yes. One day, the mother sat the kid down and asked if he remembered the day she said she would kill him. The boy did. The mother-his mother, now-explained that she had. She wanted the person who killed her son to die, disappear from this earth-and he had. He was no longer in the position where he had to kill people to survive, to belong in a group. The boy was not him, she explained. He was someone else. Gives a whole other meaning to “kill them with kindness.”
@@ehisasibor8038 Thanks. It’s not my story, but it was so deep I wanted to include it. Not sure what the podcast is, but the storyteller (not person in the story) Tera Brock has more like it.
We also all need to realize that we are not always correct, we do not always hold the moral high ground, and a person is not their argument, statement, or joke.
More importantly give people a chance for discussion before you jump directly to cancel. That’s part of the problem. People get taken out of context all the time and we feel it’s our duty to correct when it’s not.
I’m definitely above people who call others the N word, homophobes, bigots, sexual predators, and a whole bunch of others. I’m super sick of this “we all make mistakes, if you cancel others you should be ok with being cancelled yourself.” Nobody is perfect. But there are major distinctions in levels. People who show themselves to be bad people can now expect to be shunned, as they should be. And yes. If I sexually assault someone, or get caught on tape on a racist tirade, I will fully expect to be judged for that. False equivalence is a logical fallacy.
Plot twist: Anna actually likes cantaloupe and is pointing the finger to other cantaloupe eaters to deflect the attention from herself. A true mastermind plot indeed.
How can we be diverse if we do not accept diversity of thought and opinion? This seems to be especially pervasive in Hollywood. After all, how many openly conservative actors have steady jobs? Tim Allen is probably the only one most people can come up with...
@@JohnHarris-BluesaltsAuthor when your thought ignores that others exist, then they are hurting others. Others are affected by what you say. Lots of great comedians make jokes to bring to light something you didn't' see before but not be a downer about it. Tim Allen does a good job of knowing that. He jokes about the hardships of life. Thus he resonates. Others expect everyone else to sacrifice for their lifestyle.
I will never forget that poor lady who was in an Airline flight sent a pic of her dad Lion hunting to her friends. She was judged by the mob and fired from her job by the time her plane landed. Great vid. Thanks. :)
Yep, nevermind that regulated lion hunting exists and has been proven to be better for the ecosystem than outlawing it and creating a huge market for irresponsible poachers
I think when people deny cancel culture they are thinking of the actually action of canceling. The argument is , “well no one is ever really canceled, so therefore the cancel culture doesn’t exist”. While I get what they are trying to say, they are forgetting about the key word; culture. Simply because a cancel attempt doesn’t work doesn’t mean the culture of TRYING to cancel someone doesn’t exist.
the people who say that are just being disingenuous, there is no way in hell they actually believe that, they are just trying to justify their horrific behavior, that's all. These same people are never satisfied with the level of "cancelation" a person receives, it's never enough, they actively want the person in question to stop existing.
I agree with you about the moral superiority. I hate it when people do that and I admit we’re all guilty of it. Your message at the end about the path of redemption is so true. We can’t expect people to get better if we don’t allow the opportunity for it.
"we’re all guilty" Nope, not all, just the majority of people. Most anarchists and a lot of marginals do not fall into the trap of mob mentality and moral superiority. When you fundamentally reject societal norms and/or authority, you are forced to think for yourself and are less likely to act like that.
@@ireallyreallyhategoogle Well that's not true because ANTIFA are the most radical and violent anarchists around and are so severely ruled by moral superiority that you can't even talk to them.
@wolf masque You really don't understand anarchism. Humans need family, friends, other humans to socialize with. Humans don't NEED hierarchy or authority. Not all humans think in terms of US vs THEM. Some humans are kind, compassionate, open-minded, selfless, or simply decent. Anarchists are not scared of authoritarians, they just don't like them and see how harmful it is to most when a few decide to rule by force. Obey or die is the basis of most supposedly "civilized" "modern" societies. How civilized or modern is it really when you can't educate and raise people to do what's moral, because it is what's moral and not for fear of punishment?
Yeah....its distressing to people who actually like to be able to look at all sides of things, question them, question each situation for what it is and be open minded. This current culture allows for no grey area and is so full of judgement its suffocating. The problem is that people--higher ups, institutions companies etc--are allowing themselves to be bullied into submission. People have to be willing to step up and say "no, too bad, this is ridiculous and I'm not firing someone for something so small or taken out of context or for having a differing opinion to the masses. Deal with it" the way you may talk to a kid throwing a tantrum. Someone has to start having some courage.
I got cancelled, on an extremely small scale, because my comments were taken out of context. It's dehumanizing, ostracizing, embarrassing and divisive. It's toxic. I agree with everything you've said!!
@Buff Baby Honestly, I think I have a little bit of internet PTSD. Any time I see that I have a connect reply, or ANY FB notifications I have a mini panic attack. I rarely get on FB anymore because of it. I only follow goofy accounts on Instagram and I have most notifications turned off all together on UA-cam and Reddit.
people grow up as individuals, "one sin doesn't make you the devil", everyone at some point made a big mistake, let's cancel humanity right? is the point to find a person to keep shaming on and on and on or to stop the behavior from going on and on and on?
People have to get in their head that it's ok to disagree and they should agree to. We are not a beehive or an antnest. If everyone was the same, life would be bland, without any nuances. Utopias can become dystopias in practice.
@Indian Philosophy w...what? Yeah, a person who cheats in one relationship still deserves loyalty from their partner in another relationship. If they don’t get loyalty, you can call it karma. But it still wouldn’t make logical sense. Are you dumb?
The worst part of Cancel Culture is the situation when someone has different views from us, he will express them loudly and we are already using this weapon, I am a liberal, but I can see that it is liberals who more often use this weapon for which I personally feel ashamed, I think that there should be some conversation here, and not a witch-hunt for a different view . I don't even want to talk about cases where cancel culture resulted from a court case, after which someone turned out to be innocent, but still bears the consequences.
There's a reason for boycotts being somewhat skewed against the right: Cancel-worthy outrageously racist/sexist/… statements and ideologies usually don't come from the left and are agreed upon by many progressives and conservatives alike to be disagreeable, wheras not many agree on "cancelling" people who advocate for equal opportunity and human rights-even if they disagree with their specific ideas.
@@willguggn2 I disagree, the reason that cancel culture is skewed against the Conservatives is because it's the hard Progressives in academia and universities that started to and still decide/define what is "cancel worthy", "racist" or "sexist" and as Humans we're all biased.
Finally someone said it!!! I'm gonna be sharing this. Cause at least people will listen to me when it comes from Anna. I mean come onnnnn.. no one is perfect and no one will ever be perfect. If they haven't abused anyone in any way, murdered anyone,if they're not a rapist or a serial killer, etc...then just let the individual fix their mistake and move on and grow from it. What is the point of 'cancelling them' ? So many people stay quiet about so many things because of fear of this cancel culture and it is ridiculous. We should be able to express concern and ideas without being 'cancelled'. I mean...we claim to be free right? I ask..where is this so called freedom if we cancel anyone who has the guts to speak out or say or do something different or controversial? People are born to make mistakes. Those mistakes should be forgiven and understood. Yes.. gonna stop there. Again...I love this so much. Thanks Anna... ♥️❤️
And that's why you should post it up. I've just done it and said this is how I've felt fot a long time, I've just never known how to say it and have always been shutdown when I've tried to. Then told them to skip to 7.40 if they couldn't be bothered watching the entire thing.... as that's the part that will punch the hardest lol. Do it!! And good luck!!
What bothers me the most is that cancel culture is usually projected onto people who make simple mistakes, or an edgy joke like, 5 years ago, or was maybe just misinformed on a topic and even take accountability. Yet, when there are abusers, pedophiles, rapists, etc. who take no accountability, they just... get away with it. And when they are held accountable, THEN their defenders say “don’t use cancel culture” while simultaneously trying to cancel an influencer for mispronouncing someone’s name. It’s just so much projection and fear mongering. It’s not just toxic, it’s hypocrisy and a product of fear mongering created by those directing attention away from the real issues, onto petty things that ultimately are no one’s business to begin with, when there are REAL issues to be addressed
We are so quick to find a post from 12 years ago and expect the person to apologize for it even though they probably have changed a lot since then. It’s sad that’s how people feel they need to “level up” and “feel good about themselves”
There are also things you might deem morally wrong while someone else might disagree and label it "satire" for example. The other person doesnt have to apologize to you because you take things in differently than them. Different generations, upbringings etc. can all influence these things and unless we want everyone to be the same, we should just accept that some are more open in certain areas while others are not, approach them with love anyway and explain our standpoint without satanizing theirs. Since I worked on a bachelors project on it, I always have to think about Nonviolent Communication here. The basic prinicple is: "If you want to express an issue, stay with yourself, your own feelings and needs, dont talk about the other person." Makes it easier for others to open up to you, because you are not fingerpointing. Sorry I used the word "you" so much, it meant it as a general term, not referring to you personally. I just had to think of this because of your statement about apologizing and the question popped up who determines if we have to apologize or not.
I think we need to exercise more critical thinking online. That's it. Cancel culture is petty but I can't seem to let go the feeling that celebrities are accountable for the platform they are given. Many choose to stay private and gate their privacy but we can't deny that many others profit of this exposure.. This subject is so vast, I think this is just the tip of the iceberg for me.
Yeah, I can agree with that. But the thing is, how are we going to teach critical thinking? From my perspective, cancel culture is "mostly" run rampant by people under 25 years old, whose brains haven't fully developed yet. I remember that I started to get out of black and white -way of thinking way after turning 25. It's also easy to jump on the mob mentality, which cancel culture REALLY thrives on. And if you do think critically and disagree with the mob, you're bombared as well and labeled the same as the person in question. Also at the end of the day, how much doesn cancel culture do? I see all the problematic youtubers still active and doing well, despite their scandals (Paul brothers, for example), while other, more proper youtubers get called out for the tiniest of things. How would cancel culture make sure that the celebrities that actually deserve consequences, get them, and those who just use the wrong word one time or buy/use clothes from the wrong store, don't get completely driven out of that platform? And when those celebrities do make mistakes, but change and show improvement, how does cancel culture make sure that it is noted rather than continues to use that old mistake against them? I've seen this happen more than a billion times and it's truly frustrating to watch.
@@LadyDynamitez sure, there's a lot to say about how celebrity works nowadays with social media. Some influencers are really smart about their business and are known to cause mild drama just in time when they are about to launch their new merch... Tbh, I agree with you in that younger audiences are prone to be more maleable and impressed by celebrities, but I don't think it's just age and maturity. You have to get the hard work done by yourself. You have to be aware of how influencers gain their money by the attention they attract so you have can have some thought about what media you want to consume. Critical thinking , optimally should be teached at schools, specially college. But many influencers have outsourced many words of wisdom, not unlike Anna, in helping their audience to figure out their feelings and thoughts about different matters.
But what about people who innocently lose their careers, become suicidal and have to go on medication for being wrongly canceled over a misunderstanding? Where is the accountability in the aftermath cancel culture can actually cause? Speaking from experience.
We need to let go of cancel culture and go back to a little something called "constructive criticism". At the end of the day, if someone does something wrong, they need to be told they were wrong and how to improve, NOT being told they were wrong and then banished from society.
Can you tell me what year constructive criticism was the norm? I want to make clear I don't disagree with you but people acting out of ignorance and outrage seems pretty common throughout history. (Edit: spelling)
@@1993greeksoldier it was when the internet was the wild west funny enough. Before facebook and back during aol. I miss it tremendously. We self governed, we understood no one said who they really were and the fun was to be what you wanted. If you were a troll the worst we would do is mass send pms to freeze your computer so you had to shut it down and turn it back on again.
@@kopykat6843 I'm certainly glad you enjoyed those days and being in my late 20's I was just young enough at the time to have not engaged with the internet then. I have certainly heard that algorithms have played a significant role in our current divides. so I could see there being some value to move away from them. On the other hand I do wonder if the culture back then had a lot to do with a smaller number of people online and less sensitive information being communicated.
Ms. Akana - You are an intelligent, reasonable, well-spoken and, perhaps most importantly, thoughtful voice in the cacophony of modern madness. Thanks. Truly.
My problem with the cancel culture debate is that it's too black and white, and everyone likes to pick and choose which cases support their side without viewing the issue as a whole. There are people who've been canceled unfairly, people who've been canceled and deserved it, people who were canceled and built their career back up just fine, and people who dodged legitimate criticism by crying out "cancel culture." This isn't a black and white issue. Plenty of people are just looking for a sense of moral superiority, and plenty of people just want people to face consequences for their bigoted behavior. But no one can seem to define what cancel culture exactly is, whether or not it's effective or even real, and what accountability is.
I get that what I'm about to point out is a tiny piece of a much larger point you were making, and that it doesn't invalidate that point in any way. Further, what I'm about to say isn't meant to invalidate your larger point in any way. All that being said... 0:19 is literally someone defining what cancel culture is exactly.
Hmm I think how well the cancel culture debate is talked about depends on where you look. I think the longer well researched videos on youtube. articles or the books out there do a pretty decent job. You can say its hard to define, and that basically everything is hard to define, but there are well thought out, or academic definitions out there that can be used and are used and agreed upon quite largely from what I have seen. And no matter what the definition is just saying that x action(like thousands of people saying 'off yourself') has harmful effects and does not solve a problem is pretty fair. Like I agree with your point that it isn't black and white, but I also don't really see it presented as black and white, obviously i have not looked at everything
Honestly, I'm not convinced that cancel culture is ever the correct solution. There has to be better ways to make your voice heard and try to promote good behaviors than just verbally assaulting someone while following a hivemind.
This is a timely, smart, and compassionate take on the subject. Anna always brings great topics to think about in a wonderful and entertaining way. The best way to be woke is through love, compassion, and respect.
Re the Sonic situation being a happy ending: The animation team responsible for the redesign were worked into the ground - they were made to crunch over Christmas to get it done for a small budget and what was their reward? The company was forced to shut down and they all lost their jobs... Just a dark time since it does appear like a success.
When the internet got started in the 80s (ya, it existed back then for some people, mostly university types). We called it "flaming". If you did something online that pissed off the group, you would get loads of messages fired at you for doing it. Usually, that was for some kind of spam (another term invented way back then). People would shout at anyone in a college who broke the general rules of the group, like selling stuff. Part of the reason "flaming" happened was because the people doing it had some anonymity to exiling the offender. The whole thing is still happening now, 35 years later, called "canceling" today.
They tried, it didn't work out. This is what you get when you give privilege to people. They start taking things for granted. Twitter is now a place of brainwashed shielded people that can't face facts.
It's easier to complain and criticize, losing time on internet, than improve yourself in silence and be happier. Happy people try to be more bland and understanding, they talk less and hear more. They're not trying to prove anything to anyone.
The sonic incident had a very negative effect on the workers who had to work incredibly intense schedules to make the changes in time for the movie’s release. It was pretty awful.
"Everyone thinks of changing the world but no one thinks of changing himself." - Leo Tolstoy Themself would be the better word here but that quote is perfect to describe cancel culture.
Saying that the opposition to the Tuvel thesis should have been based on critical thought or analysis illustrates the fundamental problem with cancel culture in that the cancel mob is essentially incapable of critical thinking, and relies on outraged feelings engendered by criticism of their ideology.
I have a quote, To remind myself of my own issues. “To Judge is to be Judged” to judge someone can backfire on you, others are watching and will judge you for your own actions and they may not like it! Learn about that person and he or did what they did, There may be reasons for it we just don’t understand at this time! The Bottom line is learn first, Judge last!!!
I hate Can't Elope, I believe that eloping should be an option for anyone who wants to get married and will always stand against organisations who try and stop it.
Anna, you've struck a blow against destructive, unearned tribal self-righteousness here - thank you VERY much for the responsible and judicious use of your platform. This is you seeking and defending truth, and I want to recognize you for that; truth is a good in itself, worth sacrifice to defend. Gandalf: "Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends." "He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." - John Stuart Mill
I feel that it's so hard to freely express ourselves without any fear of how what we say online will be interpreted. Any slight deviation from what is widely acceptable from by any specific group and there might be backlash.
@@mynameisuju I dont know much about that case, but if its similar to the way fans react to the Jonny Depp thing its not exactly a path to redemption. Its a very black and white thing again, one side wanting the guy to be cancelled the other seeing some kind of innocent pariah in him. Im missing the middle way, often times.
Just cancel ‘cancel culture’ already 😩people act like they’re not problematic at all or good people when they themselves should are the most problematic ones out there 💀 they’re usually so unnecessarily petty.
I agree unless dealing with republicans. Republicans set the foundation for cancel culture with their "let the free market decide" defence of bigoted businesses. Being cancelled is simply the free market deciding and I don't think it is unreasonable to use their own standards of behaviour on them in order to try and teach them not to be dishonest, hypocrites and be consistent
@@IXSICNESS"Teach them not to be dishonest, hypocrites, and to be consistent." That's pure irony on your part considering what the OP just said. People are quick to cancel others when they don't even have their own selves in check. It doesn't matter what your political affiliation is, you can't try to teach others not to be "Dishonest, hypocritical and inconsistent" if you're still going to be dishonest, hypocritical, and inconsistent yourself just because you're against a certain political group. Having bias towards any political group, or any other group, always tends to breed hypocrisy and dishonesty. It's like complaining about other people putting poop in their salad while still continuing to put poop in yours.
@@Chill.Blossom except I don't engage in dishonesty, hypocrisy and try to be as consistent as possible. Unlike you, you fail to address my point and instead attempted and failed to equivocate. My whole point is cancel culture is just the left co-opting a conservative strategy. And thus demonstrates everything I accused them of to be valid. But please let's humour your tangent. What activity has the left engaged in which is analogous to say conservatives arguing that conservatives being held accountable is causing disunity and is censorship??? Let's use an example of the inconsistency I speak of with sexual assault responses to prove the fallacy in your argument. Al Franken, he made a distasteful sexual joke before he ran for office that was photographed, conservatives and libs demanded his resignation and he resigned. Now let's consider kavanaugh, trump and Roy Moore. All 3 have heinous and credible sexual assault allegations yet conservatives screamed cancel culture when accountability was demanded and then went on to support them for political appointment via confirmation or by voting for them. Only one side was consistent in their principles there and it wasn't the conservatives. Now remember your examples need to be analogous not just a false equivalency
@@IXSICNESS You say false equivalency, but I believe that the point in my comment still stands. You continue to talk about the issues on the other side, but you avoid confronting or talking about the issues on yours. Which is my point. You almost made it seem like one party is worse than the other when both parties can get real trashy. You solely mentioned the conservative party and Trump's allegations, but you didn't mention Kamala Harris's history and Joe Biden with his allegations and history too. Either you didn't know, or you purposefully left it out because they're democrats. Like I said though, political affiliation doesn't matter. But if you wanna start talking about the problems on one side, start talking about the problems on yours too. Like how you said, "I don't engage in dishonesty and hypocrisy, and I try to stay as consistent as possible." so make sure to "stay as consistent as possible" and keep that same energy. Folks can't just lie to people and have them thinking that specific candidates are better than Trump when they also have pasts that are questionable and could be more damaging than his. But now since you wanna talk politics, we need to stop voting near century-old people into office and calling them "better". When they truly are no better and have skeletons hiding in their closet too. I don't believe it's right to deceive people about who they're voting for. It's important to mention everything so they'll be able to choose wisely. We can make comparisons all day but we'll get nowhere because neither sides are innocent. Politics can get so divisive, and I don't understand what it has to do with cancel culture.
@@Chill.Blossom dude false eayquivocations are all you have. Kampala Harris and Joe Biden's accusations are tiny in comparison. And they were held to account and the conservative lies were exposed. I provided 3 definitive examples of hypocrisy on the right you provided 2 instances that are in no way equivocal and are only considered issues in the right wing propaganda machine which has recently been attacking Biden for his dog being old when people pointed out Ted Cruz abandoned his dog to freeze. All you have is false equivocation dude. Kamala Harris did her job as a prosecutor and Joe Biden puts his hands on people shoulders. Those are the examples you use to counter the 3 definitive examples I provided of republicans having zero consistency and demonstrating hypocrisy. My advice... Google logical fallacies If you don't have a clue what is has to do with cancel culture I have already explained. Cancel culture is simply the conservative strategy of defending bigots used against them
The truth is, everyone on earth is shitty and when an old way of being shitty to people is deemed inappropriate, they’ll just find a new way to be shitty and say “it’s okay, because we’re being shitty to the bad guy”.
I think this is one of the best videos on the subject. Its concise, to the point, and fair. Sometimes cancelling someone is okay, sometimes it is not. What is interesting from a non-American perspective is that the US judicial system is wholly based on punishment, in the same way cancel culture is. There is no attempt to re-integrate a person, but only to harshly penalize someone for their wrongdoings. I can only feel like this must have SOME effect on how people think about fair judgement in America. But, this is just a thought, judging people is inherently human. This definitely isn't an inherently American problem.
The problem with cancel culture is the assumption that politics is always based on morality and there always needs to be punishment for subjective views on certain themes. Its usually about burning the witch for a comment they made 15 years ago instead of actually getting to know the person and engage in peaceful dialogue. In order for someone to be held accountable for something they have genuinely done wrong, the jury has to maintain dignity and respect for a system of order that can hold a person accountable with impartiality and with benevolent intentions, in other words, in order to hold someone accountable for their actions, individuals must refrain from toxic behaviours and allow more professional individuals to deal with the situation or interact with the individual who has made a mistake in a respectful and educational way. Cancel culture lacks the capacity to enact discipline without chaos because it is based on emotional impulsiveness, somewhat like a riot with words, and nobody can discipline an angry mob when it goes way too far such as death threats, doxxing, cyberbullying and stalking and other undesirable behaviours. Because cancel-culture isn't organised, people who aren't emotionally mature enough to hold these people accountable the right way, tend to act like the judge, jury and executioner and take matters into their own hands, which often ends up in those individuals becoming part of the problem, and not part of the solution. Its also cyclical, because if someone's family is doxxed, who is held accountable if a child or vulnerable person comes to harm? The context of why someone is being held accountable matters. If someone merely has a disagreement or different perspective on a political topic, it may not actually be reasonable to cancel that individual at all, because a debate or a discussion is more appropriate. Disciplinary action is only ever justified if the individual has done something wrong, and it needs to be purposeful. Everyone needs to be open minded, receptive to criticism and treat others how they would like to be treated.
12:19 the first answer I had to "what does Cancel culture truly promote?" It's fear. I am terrified that I will say or do one wrong thing and that's it. My life is ruined forever.
This was a refreshingly nuanced take on cancel culture. Brilliant stuff! :) I remember seeing Obama say what he said in that Guardian clip - nodding and applauding in my mind.
Uh, did you mean honeydew melon? Cause cantaloupe is delicious. Like have you had it in a lime-honey dressing with flaky sea salt? Or paired with prosciutto and balsamic vinegar pearls? It's super good that way.
Oh, I'm glad that there are a lot of smart people who concerned with this big problem. This means that we will come up with the smart decision eventually.
@@sirebellum0 nah, people aren't that bad, they just don't pay much attention to what happens outside of their lifes most of the time. We all agreed to good ideas like "killing is wrong" and "women can vote" and other stuff and didn't perished in the flames of nuclear war in the process. So that's just another challenge for our society and it's not even that big.
@@stanprogressstanyang well, it's good that most people are smart enough) otherwise we wouldn't be where we are now, talking about acceptance issues. We would be hitting each other with clubs instead.
I'm getting some confusion from folks so want to clarify -- all I'm addressing in this video is the way that cancel culture has been intentionally weaponized. Not cancel culture as a whole, as I think there's already so much great content out there about the topic (see Contra Points). All I felt that I could add to the conversation, as mentioned, is this specific angle of how it is being abused
Contra Points is marvelous Anna! And indeed, it's being used in a nasty way in a lot of situations :/
“If we don't have a space for white supremacists to go when they denounce the KKK, how do we ever expect them to leave?”
Powerful question.
I wonder if cancel culture is the most recent iteration of virtue, righteousness, and moral superiority that has justified many violent actions throughout history; only done via social media.
Cantaloupes only get a bad rep because the rind takes a while to chew. It’s important to slow down and enjoy the little things.
That room to change is really important. I appreciate your choice of sound bites. I'm not a fan of Obama or Silverman, because Obama was into Chicago Politics and a War Hawk and Silverman hates cantaloupe...but I'm giving them the room to grow. Currently Barack has taken great strides and is now into DC Politics and no longer has the Football...and Sarah...well...she is throwing a tantrum in a cantaloupe field. There's cantaloupe guts everywhere! Thankfully, it isn't my field.
There is no such thing as Cancel culture. It's called consequences.
See contra points love it. Same. I often cite that Queen, bless her.
If Twitter was canceled, I bet we would see a sharp drop in cancel culture.
I just hope they don't flock into other social websites like facebook and instagram.
@@GW196 cancel anonymity, that'll help a lot. Or put an age restriction on social media for 18+... At least then people will have 'some' degree of social maturity when they start to use it and won't grow up thinking death threats and eating detergent are cool things to do.
I'd love to see some stats that show how many of these "cancel campaigns" originate from a bunch of randos on Twitter. I got a feeling it's a terrifyingly large percentage.
@@GW196 they are already in facebook, instagram and youtube. Its just twitter is getting more attention.
Twitter is simply the medium and not a perpetrator.
What bothers me about this disgusting culture is that they say: “we’re holding them accountable and educating them”. And then the cancelled influencers show REAL and GENUINE change and people still bring up that bad thing the influencer did and won’t let them breathe without being salty and arrogant. Which makes it obvious that this is not about accountability, this is about ruining people.
Yup, every single time. It's always like "I don't believe they've actually changed" or "Are we going to forget what they did?" like no we aren't but moving on and trying to progress together is what we should be doing.
I agree it doesnt work. But we still need something to hold people accountable
what pisses me off is when someone does something deemed problematic, and that person issues a public apology, a decent one, and instead of people accepting it and giving them a chance to prove that they were sincere in their apology, people?? make fun of?? the apology? like wow.
@@GoBuddieGo of course someone whose entire identity revolving around being popular will start shifting their persona to appeal to their audience.
Exactly' I'm still sad about Jenna Marbles leaving yt :(
"If we don't have room for people to make mistakes, learn from them and do better, then what the hell do we think cancel culture is promoting? Real growth? or just getting really high on someone's low"
I resonate with this statement a lot.
Um, what it is promoting is MY freedom not to buy crap or listen to illogic or lies. When an artist or content creator offers something worth watching or buying....great. But if a product or producer is not worthy of respect, I have better things to do with my time.
Your growth is up to you, not to me. I can't make anybody grow.
@@dorothyweaver8178 Cancel culture is not about boycotting a product Dorothy. Its destroying someones character to the point where there is no chance of coming back or growing as a human being, often over something minor. Its about sending someone an amount of hate that would make anyone think about ending it. Its cruel and vile hatred disguised as righteousness.
@@dorothyweaver8178 That's the difference between a boycott and cancel culture. Boycotts are to take a stance against someone or something, while cancel culture is forcing everyone else to take a stance because Karen is too self righteous and thinks that her opinion is more important that anyone else's and the world needs to bend to her whim. Karens need to be put back in their place of irrelevance, not validated. If you don't want a product, power to you, just don't take that choice away from me.
As for personal growth I've decided to have more or less a zero tolerance to leftism. Any compromise is expected to come from me and will still put me at fault. Therefore it needs to be condemned for the emotional blackmail that it is.
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Cancel culture is pretty extreme. None of us are saints, the world is indeed messy. Let’s give people more love and a chance to redeem themselves
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I think part of the issue is that even in situations where a person makes a small mistake and their fans respond to it in a reasonable way, the sheer amount of responses as well as the human tendency to focus on the most dramatic outliers in a sea of data mean that it can feel like a huge canceling even if very few people are actually going too far.
This is almost just a byproduct of how social media works, and is why the argument that cancel culture is just people facing accountability for their actions isn't quite true, because the punishment gets multiplied by the sheer amount of people who take it upon themselves to deliver it.
@@eoincampbell1584 I totally agree with this. But what makes us think it’s okay to judge other people even before getting all the facts is really mind baffling. We read a headline and instantly become professional analysts and usually our goal is to tear down completely not to influence the persons involved to positive reformation or change. The worst part is we ourselves aren’t any better in some ways
@Hellish reap?
"Righteousness porn". What a stunningly accurate phrase to describe the dark escalation of the culture.
Yeah, It’s expected to have a that type of frase describing something as cancerous as “Cancel Culture”, when news media now a days promotes hating the other side that thinks different.
Also, many people gets their political arguments from just one source and don’t explore and seek the arguments of both sides. It’s easier to stay in one side of the bubble and hear the straw man argument of why hating the other side is ok.
Now a days is easier to go and hate on people that we don’t agree on on their social media and call them names and slurs just to feel superior, instead of giving people an ear to feel that they are being listen to and at the same time being able to have an exchange of ideas where people are more susceptible to hearing new arguments and opinions.
But well, now a days we have this because is easier to get our political opinions from celebrities, night show hosts and the polarizing media, instead of doing work and hearing both sides of the argument or finding neutral news sources.
Hopefully society can change and take care of the tumor it itself have created called:“Cancel Culture”
I call them Woke Supremacists.
@@alexblaze8878 Good one.
I agree it is a vivid and fascinating way to describe the ravenous vibe from this behavior
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As Miraculous Ladybug once said "It will be revenge not justice, and coercing someone into telling the truth is meaningless" and " Bullying a bad guy won't turn them into a good guy".
That sounds pretty deep for a kids show O_o;
@@AshU-ug2fy Because it originally wasn’t meant to be a kid’s show - it was meant to be a commentary on social politics, for adults, wrapped up in a new animated superhero story. That idea got shot down by the tv network because they thought it would not appeal to a mass audience. Joke’s on the exces, though, because what aired is essentially the same thing, simply in a cloak of being aimed at children.
Dang, seen all those holy than tho Adrien episodes, but you're right, excellent usuage, cheers
@@AshU-ug2fygurl i was shook
And they might not even be a bad guy.... they might be good guys that did a bad thing.... or did something unpopular.... or just had an unpopular opinion...
JK Rowling actually didn't DO anything wrong. Every single action she's done before all of the hate was actually morally great and she did more to help the world than most people.
But she had an opinion and bam, everyone hates on her. And she only became more spiteful AFTER all the bad treatment and how horrible people were towards her....
I'm literally going to end up being convinced that the product is called "Daddy Squarespace"
I'm waiting for the godaddy/squarespace merger only Anna knows about
Omg, I thought she was sponsored by some kind of automation/management tool for Squarespace that's literally called "Daddy Squarespace"
sometimes the culture on twitter feels like gaslighting. like, it’s gotten to the point where people are starting to say “people who are openly against cancel culture definitely have something to hide 👀”
like... no. some of us just don’t want our timeline to be filled with endless rage all the time.
Preach!!!
I honestly think twitter is just anoying unfollow everything and everyone that dosen't post anything that is not specifically and only non-political or just get rit of it all together
@@DLF-do1gj yea dude alo of people still do. Sometimes just reading the bullshit they post with their rage gives me a headache
well, the thing is, given the right framing, EVERYONE has something to hide.
They outright deny cancel culture even exists because to them, they're just "correcting" other people's behavior (read: forcing everyone to conform to their beliefs and silencing anyone who dissents). I don't even think their beliefs are 100% wrong, I just think their tactics are incredibly counterproductive, immature, reactionary, ignorant of nuance.
"If we don't have a space for white supremacists to go when they denounce the KKK, how do we ever expect them to leave?"
Best sentence I've heard all day.
This is so well articulated. People are more and more disconnected with themselves therefore it’s easier to look outside at others and try to fix them. We often try to escape our own faults and imperfections because it’s more challenging to fix and control.
The easiest thing to understand about cancel culture is that it is an emanation of religious values.
Nah it's that oppression olympics games you ppl play.
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population: society
Well said
"In order to think, you must risk being offensive..."
"So you're saying.."
get out of here with your Dr. Peterson logic. =-P
@@hengineer oh you can cancel him
@@TheCreativeAnimation right on haha
@@hengineer he has a logic now?
I was taught this very valuable lesson at a young age.
That lesson being:
"Before pointing your finger at someone else. Try taking a good hard look at yourself before you call out the faults of someone else. Because you just find the very thing you wish to end to be within you. Learn to temper and fix yourself before you try and 'fix' someone else. Other wise other people will call you out and use your own ideals against you."
I remember a co-worker of mine saying something similar:
"Realise when you point a finger at someone, your other three fingers are pointing back at you..."
Or as Jesus said, before picking the twig out of someone else eye, take the plank out of your own 1st… Or something to that effect
@@beatleme2 Mathew 7:1-29. One of my favorite books from the Bible.
I do like cantaloupe. I'll show myself out...
GET OUT LAURA
@@AnnaAkana where is the space for her redemption???
@@itoshiibaka8267 On the store shelf where that cantaloupe should be returned to.
@@AnnaAkana How is Laura supposed to grow if you kick her out?
@@CreepyBlackDude Why would you put it back on the shelf when there's a perfectly good trash can right there?
I have noticed this “Holier than Thou” mentality on social media.
If someone makes a mistake or is ill informed he/she is criticised or made fun of. And if that person tries to improve, he/she is reminded of their past and accused of being fake or a hypocrite.
Be careful, you didn't also put "they". You may be cancelled for your insolence
@@sirebellum0 I assumed the ‘not using they’ thing was a deliberate artistic choice lol
You know what bugs me? When someone calls you out for being "misinformed" and then when you try to have a conversation with them and become informed, they expect you to go google everything yourself instead of having a real conversation. They don't want to spread awareness, they just want to get angry at people who aren't as woke as they are so that they can feel better about themselves.
@@AdmiralKarelia This!!! Going to google won't help us have a dialogue about our differences in opinion like you actually explaining how I offended you.
I had a friend who was just like this. They even kept "receipts" on me and their friends to use against, in the event they may need to expose me and their friends.... And of course, they use twitter incessantly. This mentality is incredibly harmful and can ruin your relationships with other people. I'm an eye-witness to that for sure.
"He who is without sin, cast the first cantaloupe..." (NKJV)
Facts
I was kind of offended by the cantaloupe eater thing and would like the kindly say I eat mine with salt but it's more of a nostalgic thing for me my grandma ate hers like that and she's gone I really only started eating cantaloupe like that after she died and when I was a kid with her
NAAV
I love cantaloupe and really adore finding this channel through Julie Nolke.
the modern way for angry mobs to lynch people
I feel like my grandchild will ask me about cancel culture for a school assignment
Lmao
...or civil war part 2 + ww3, but yeah, one way or another kids will be writing reports on the 2020's for sure.
Actually very nice topic to discuss n write about 😂
I think thats already happening
When they do tell them they're canceled. "No more Christmas presents or birthday cash, ya little nosepicker!"
Again, "Everyone loves cancel culture until you're the one being canceled"
Sounds about right. It's just like the age old Saying "If you are Pointing one finger at one person don't forget you have 3 fingers pointed at yourself." The Person You canceled made mistakes but I don't think that you haven't Made mistakes At all. (You being Metaphorical for the person cancelling someone else)
@@atharvadeshpande4749 Scientifically, people who are insecure enjoy seeing other peoples' downfall more than others (this doesn't include vengeance).
The issue is as well you can’t help people who don’t want to be helped, I’ve tried so many times to find equal ground and show someone statistics that prove their ideas are flawed in a way that they can grow and educate themselves but some people don’t want to educate themselves, some people think they’re right and will always be right and you can’t help people like that. I’ve never really jumped on any cancel culture bandwagon like I have issue with the lies jk Rowling and I noticed in one of her first outbursts of transphobia loads of trans Harry Potter fans trying to respond in the way I’ve tried and she just posted about how the trans mob were trying to cancel her which at the end of the day what are you supposed to do about someone with an unchanging mind when confronted with evidence.
@@dontworryimnotastalker5486 That's why it's very important to take action outside of internet too in my opinion, and discussing about point of view instead of arguing when it's possible
@@dontworryimnotastalker5486 It's quite rare for someone to say, "Your data is right, you're conclusions are right, I still disagree." most people think your "facts" are either opinion or flawed data that doesn't represent the real world, they disagree with your conclusions or it is a distortion. If you cancel someone for not accepting evidence it's a short road to you being canceled.
I listened for years as MSNBC brought on guest after guest who "KNEW" that President Trump was a Russian agent, that the Russian's hacked the voting machines so he would win, that he had sex with prostitutes on a bed someone (Clinton? Obama? I forget) slept in & then pissed on it, etc... How many of those guests, hosts and shows should be canceled? The answer is none if you like what they say & all if you hate what they say.
That is not justice. That's petty vengeance.
It uses humiliation, shame and guilt to get people to conform to a socially acceptable behavior instead of counseling and educating individuals about the impacts that their harmful behaviors have on society.
And they love using the "it's not my job to educate you" justification, even though to truth is with Cancel Culture there truly is no path to salvage. You're condemned to burn until they stop monitoring the fire and it fizzles out.
Gandhi once said “Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.”
Fitting, since Gandhi himself made plenty of mistakes, and his racism in the past has forced a reckoning in recent years. But of course, you have to take a person in their totality. And nitpicking a few behaviors of someone born in the freaking 19th century doesn't define who they are... Thankfully. Because someone like Gandhi needs to be remembered for what he helped accomplish, not for some of his outdated attitudes and actions. Common sense prevailed in that case.
@@caomhan84 Sometimes i think theese people would find fault in the character of newborn bunnys
@@pouncepounce7417 Oh absolutely. They're out of control, and chiefly because they keep getting what they want. They've now seen that if you go after someone, more often than not you can harm them and make them go away. They call it "accountability" but it's just bullying (in the case of living people) and the ridiculous reframing of history (in the case of revered people long dead). It won't stop until they stop getting what they want. It's as simple as that. If people keep letting statues be torn down, schools being renamed, books quietly taken away from shelves, "disclaimers" added to movies, these people will just keep getting emboldened.
Gandhi was a racist early in his life. He also had very particular views toward women. But without Gandhi, India quite simply would not have achieved independence. Simple as that. And without Gandhi, there's no Martin Luther King (who also had his character flaws, as well). Churchill was pretty racist. But without Churchill, England would not have survived the Second World War, and the English language would not have some of its most memorable quotations in recent history. But now they want to take Churchill's name off of schools and buildings. It's absolutely insane. But here we are, because the mob has been allowed to be empowered.
Because the people who involve themselves in caneling it aren't interested in freedom. They are looking for power they can wield over others. They have the naive belief that they can control power they are trying to take, and have no idea that if the idea works and they upend our culture and governance, they will be the first victims of the authoritarian replacements.
Cancel culture is the 21st century of the mob witch hunting, we never seem to change as a society and will seem to conform to the hive mind >:/
I find it strange how the same people who vote for prison reform refuse to give others a second chance
Sending someone to prison is slightly different than not buying someones products. Also I love the carefully disguised conservative bent of this channel. Reminds me of Johnny Harris. PragerU take notes this is how you do it.
@@peterisawesomeplease if you think every point you don’t like made is a from a conservative, you are the problem why the country is divided
@@pizzapanic1 Well that is quite the assumption. I like many conservative view points. Ask me about housing policy some time if you would rather discuss my conservative view points rather than your comment.
@@peterisawesomeplease antagonising all conservatives because I made a statement that you didn’t agree with really makes it seem that way, don’t you think? 🙂
@@pizzapanic1 I mean "Also I love the carefully disguised conservative bent of this channel. " was meant to be a bit of fun but I would hardly consider it an attempt to antagonize all conservatives. Maybe a just a few snowflakes.
"It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it." - warren buffet
Yep, this is why most powerful people avoid the public spotlight as much as possible. You never know when something you said years ago could be taken out of context and used against you.
You should read the book “Outraged: Why everyone is shouting and no one is talking” by Ashley Dotty Charles. Basically outlines why this thinking is harmful.
THISSS
Adding it to my list
Don't think Sonic was a cancellation. It was just people saying they didn't like Sonic's design. It wasn't saying the producers, director, vfx lead, or character designer should be fired and shouldn't work again.
Agreed. The message was not "Don't release the movie!" but rather "Stick to the original design!", which frankly is pretty good feedback for many reboots, sequels and adaptations out there.
Yeah exactly, sonic was not cancel culture, more just a widespread sentiment of "How did this design get approved in the first place" especially after the redesign made him look wayyyy more like original sonic.
But it was. The design they first came up with was cancelled. The point is nuance. The outrage both disparaged the old design and appealed for a new one, and then people accepted the new one. It's also has to do with the intentions of the target in question and the balance of the outcry and what's being called for. I bet that at least a few of those who hated the first design called for the firing of the character designer and others, the difference is the producers and such just took the criticism and call for change and worked on that instead of the firing.
The bad parts of cancel culture when weaponised is when the past is raged against but with no path out, no way in which redemption is earned. Or where both the target institution and media take the worse parts of the outcry and make it the representative of said outcry.
@@nfzeta128 With that sort of verbal gymnastics, you can bend _any_ expression of disapproval into “cancel culture.” That's not how it works.
Also, people getting fired for doing a bad job is… kinda how the jobs work. Sonic may not have been bad enough to get anyone fired (mainly because it was fixed), but I think several people should have been fired over Cats, for example.
@@hellterminator The whole idea of cancel culture is verbal gymnastics. The problem is people don't acknowledge that and therefore all nuance is lost.
Cancel culture at it's core is just public pressure by means of outrage to denounce and cancel a subject of their ire.
People can get fired for doing a bad job but obviously everyone doesn't get fired the second they do less than 'good' at their job. However the same people who would have kept a job can be fired because of outside public pressure.
I mean your very example is an indication. Some people, especially the ones working on the film, thought that Cats was fine enough to produce but in your case you thought people should have been fired for it. It's all subjective there, and unless the makers of the film decide themselves then having public pressure be the reason is still cancel culture.
Even if you go the other way it just ends up where people only think what they are similarly outraged at is cancel culture, that's where the weaponising of the term would come in, and it works to divide people instead of the public as a whole coming together and thinking about what they say on the internet and how they express their ire.
I'm an academic philosopher. It's shocking the backlash Tuval (and other philosophers writing on similarly sensitive topics) has received from the public that does not understand what is going on in these articles. Philosophers are trained to critically examine arguments for many years at universities. The public is generally not that good at critical thinking and critical examination of arguments and views. Maybe just nicely ask the philosopher what they think the practical implications or their research would be?
When we tell the general public they aren't good at critical thinking they go into immediate denial instead of thinking on that critically.
The background music syncing with the speech at the end is PERFECT.
if you're interested, it is the "blumenwalzer" (flower waltz) from tchaikowsky's ballet "the nutcracker" :-) one of the best pieces of classical music i know.
Didn’t know you watched Anna’s vids PK
Lol Small world
@@jamminjotaro3793 he probably doesn’t. It’s just that cancel culture is such a problem, we all need to unite to stop it.
How did it sync/ where? I went back and didn't notice
Same.
Was really happy to see So You've Been Publicly Shamed quoted here. Everyone should read that book.
It happened to me. I had to cancel my account and to stop using my nickname to avoid going in a spiral of anxiety and depression thinking about possible future repercussions on my life.
@@Serena-or7sl what did you do?
...Yes, yes they probably should. I'd like to too. Thank you.
Me too! I was taken out of context on my larger social media platform and I lost my job through social media as well as diagnosed PTSD, suicidal, anxiety, depression and finally went on medication to save myself. I’m getting better but I still can’t even look at the Instagram icon or I get a panic attack. What’s worse is I feel silenced in talking about the situation for fear of being mocked so I walked away from it all including my income to save myself.
I had mini versions of that happening to me, as does probably everyone else at some point. You say something, and suddendly you're bombarded by personnal attacks and whatnot. It gets depressing real quick, and I often avoid that place altogether for the next weeks at least. You know, might be another reason why echo chambers are so common. The algorithm is a problem, sure, but it doesn't help that going in another echo chamber means you'll almost certainly get mean comments, while staying in your own is chill.
Yeah everyone suddenly becomes so concerned with "holding them accountable" it's so insane omg
Preach! Another problem no one is seeing - what this is doing to the minds and anxiety levels of kids and teens. Can no one see the messages they’re unintentionally picking up (make no mistakes or you’ll be ruined and left unloved) and the impact that’s having (crippling anxiety)?
Also adults. Speaking from experience after being diagnosed with PTSD and now on antidepressants
Actually, your words and actions have consequences is a great message.
@@dorothyweaver8178 the issue is the proportionality of those consequences, and the sadistic enthusiasm of self-appointed judges, juries and executioners. I've seen in University culture in particular that very young people who are struggling with self-worth embrace "Cancel Culture" as a means of feeling safer and more meaningful. That leads to an incredibly toxic atmosphere when left unchecked.
Let’s be honest here. The only reason people dislike cantaloupe and honeydew is because they are too often served when they’re not ripe enough. When they are at their actual perfect ripeness, they are delicious.
I used to not like them but have recently been coming around to them!
Honeydew especially; so many people say they despise it that you really have to wonder if they've ever tasted it when it's actually ripe.
They’re so good
Yup. You gotta knock it b4 you pop it, as my GM would say.
If its hollow, you can swallow...
K, that came out wrong...😶
They're okay, but cantaloupe sometimes tastes/smells like acetone.
Cancel culture also occurs with banning books, cartoons, certain statutes, banning historical figures and on, and on. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, Sir Winston Churchill.
" So quick to point the finger, remember three is pointin' back at you "
Woah
Did I just point my finger just to make sure it was true? Yes,
That's why I use my whole hand; no fingers pointing back at me 🙊
When I was in Basic, an MTI said that's why they gesture with their whole hand when they indicate something: "YOU AND ONLY YOU ARE WRONG!"
He said "Right" and I turned left, so he -was- correct, in that moment.
I disagree.
Point fingers all you want.
But focus on condemning the *behavior* not the *person*. This isn't that hard, people.
Alternate title: Anna tries to cancel cantaloupe for 13 minutes
Breaks my heart 😢
Anna doesn't care about cantaloupe farmers u__u like me , jk, I have tomatoes growing in my garden.
Yes she should be targeting watermelon instead. That stuff smells horrible.
The thing is, that's what she starts off saying. But then at 11:58 it sounds like she supports cantaloupe???
WE NEED ANSWERS, ANNA! ARE YOU WILLING TO DENOUNCE CANTALOUPE OR NOT?
@@emilianomarquez1629 maybe those tomatoes identify as cantelope
“People who like cantaloupe deserve to be cancelled” *puts up picture of honeydew*😂
It's exactly what I say to my daughter about the 'bullies' at school: "When somebody feels bad, the fastest way to make themselves feel better is to make everybody else feel worse."
It's selfish, harmful, and needs to be called out when we see it. Folks need to understand that the journey is the thing and we need to recognise our frailties. Also, we call them Rockmelon and they're still foul by another name.
This is beautiful
That whole “path to redemption” reminds me of a story from Tera Brock, about a mother who adopted the boy who killed her son.
The boy was in a gang and forced to kill a kid for initiation, and was sentenced to three years. At his trial, the mother of the boy he murdered told the killer “I’m going to kill you.”
Then when he was in jail, she visited him regularly. She talked with him, brought him food, and was his only visitor. She asked where he had to go after his time was up, and he had no one, so she allowed him to stay at her house. Then she asked if she could adopt him, and he said yes.
One day, the mother sat the kid down and asked if he remembered the day she said she would kill him. The boy did.
The mother-his mother, now-explained that she had. She wanted the person who killed her son to die, disappear from this earth-and he had. He was no longer in the position where he had to kill people to survive, to belong in a group. The boy was not him, she explained. He was someone else.
Gives a whole other meaning to “kill them with kindness.”
This amazing
@@ehisasibor8038
Thanks. It’s not my story, but it was so deep I wanted to include it.
Not sure what the podcast is, but the storyteller (not person in the story) Tera Brock has more like it.
That's maybe a bit of an extreme example.
@@legrandliseurtri7495
Yeah. It was more about how this concept could work if applied constantly-including extreme examples.
We also all need to realize that we are not always correct, we do not always hold the moral high ground, and a person is not their argument, statement, or joke.
hold others accountable for their negative actions while also remembering that we are not above them.
That's why it doesn't make since, sometimes you have to be cautious this days.
@@colorpalette3986 why doesn't it make sense?
@@austinveno6743 sorry if my intentions are wrong it’s just that you don’t know how people would react this days due being offended or anything.
More importantly give people a chance for discussion before you jump directly to cancel. That’s part of the problem. People get taken out of context all the time and we feel it’s our duty to correct when it’s not.
I’m definitely above people who call others the N word, homophobes, bigots, sexual predators, and a whole bunch of others. I’m super sick of this “we all make mistakes, if you cancel others you should be ok with being cancelled yourself.”
Nobody is perfect. But there are major distinctions in levels. People who show themselves to be bad people can now expect to be shunned, as they should be.
And yes. If I sexually assault someone, or get caught on tape on a racist tirade, I will fully expect to be judged for that. False equivalence is a logical fallacy.
Plot twist: Anna actually likes cantaloupe and is pointing the finger to other cantaloupe eaters to deflect the attention from herself. A true mastermind plot indeed.
I like cantaloupe seeds, does that make me an "apex canceler?"
@@Chesstunes1 ew
Minute 12: very f ing strong points, very well said!! I've never looked at this from that perspective! Thank you!
This is a message that has to shouted from buildings. How can we teach tolerance when we do not believe in forgiveness and improvement.
How can we be diverse if we do not accept diversity of thought and opinion? This seems to be especially pervasive in Hollywood. After all, how many openly conservative actors have steady jobs? Tim Allen is probably the only one most people can come up with...
👏👏👏
In before someone pulls the bullshit Karl Popper meme.
THANK YOU for wording this so well
@@JohnHarris-BluesaltsAuthor when your thought ignores that others exist, then they are hurting others.
Others are affected by what you say. Lots of great comedians make jokes to bring to light something you didn't' see before but not be a downer about it. Tim Allen does a good job of knowing that. He jokes about the hardships of life. Thus he resonates. Others expect everyone else to sacrifice for their lifestyle.
Bruh, what did cantaloupe do to hurt you so bad...
*Cries while while eating cantaloupe*
"What do we think cancel culture is really promoting? Real growth, or getting really high one someone's low."
Great quote.
Cancel culture is actually making me grateful I am old enough to have been bullied in person. At least everything was said to my face.
Same here! 🤣
same
I will never forget that poor lady who was in an Airline flight sent a pic of her dad Lion hunting to her friends. She was judged by the mob and fired from her job by the time her plane landed. Great vid. Thanks. :)
Yep, nevermind that regulated lion hunting exists and has been proven to be better for the ecosystem than outlawing it and creating a huge market for irresponsible poachers
@@InfernosReaper GP! :)
It's like the internet is creating an unhealthy space where mistakes are unacceptable, and our opinions suppress our critical thinking.
@SGMD 8889 We would have more critical thinking skills.
@@Chill.Blossom You're fooling yourself if you really think that statement is true.
I think when people deny cancel culture they are thinking of the actually action of canceling. The argument is , “well no one is ever really canceled, so therefore the cancel culture doesn’t exist”. While I get what they are trying to say, they are forgetting about the key word; culture. Simply because a cancel attempt doesn’t work doesn’t mean the culture of TRYING to cancel someone doesn’t exist.
But it does work (pretty effectively) and there are quite a bit of examples in the media of the results.
It’s all fun and games until you realize the mob will do more than cancel if given enough power
@@ttulady06 you said a mouthful there
the people who say that are just being disingenuous, there is no way in hell they actually believe that, they are just trying to justify their horrific behavior, that's all.
These same people are never satisfied with the level of "cancelation" a person receives, it's never enough, they actively want the person in question to stop existing.
Is Laura Loomer still the 'Champion of being Cancelled' ?
We created a world in where the smartest way to survive is to be bland.
so much truth. it hurts
I agree with you about the moral superiority. I hate it when people do that and I admit we’re all guilty of it. Your message at the end about the path of redemption is so true. We can’t expect people to get better if we don’t allow the opportunity for it.
"we’re all guilty"
Nope, not all, just the majority of people.
Most anarchists and a lot of marginals do not fall into the trap of mob mentality and moral superiority. When you fundamentally reject societal norms and/or authority, you are forced to think for yourself and are less likely to act like that.
@@ireallyreallyhategoogle Well that's not true because ANTIFA are the most radical and violent anarchists around and are so severely ruled by moral superiority that you can't even talk to them.
@wolf masque You really don't understand anarchism.
Humans need family, friends, other humans to socialize with. Humans don't NEED hierarchy or authority.
Not all humans think in terms of US vs THEM. Some humans are kind, compassionate, open-minded, selfless, or simply decent.
Anarchists are not scared of authoritarians, they just don't like them and see how harmful it is to most when a few decide to rule by force.
Obey or die is the basis of most supposedly "civilized" "modern" societies. How civilized or modern is it really when you can't educate and raise people to do what's moral, because it is what's moral and not for fear of punishment?
@wolf masque Calm down? What lead you to believe I wasn't calm?
I love cantaloupe, not sorry about it.
I expected this to be a joke about pineapple on pizza but now i feel i need to learn more about cantaloupe
Says cantaloupe but shows a honeydew 👀 1:46 lol I love cantaloupe too
Isabella Hsieh haha I noticed that too, if she meant honey dew then I’m like yah okay, but leave cantaloupe out of this!
@@tinybrit3225 not me liking both 💀
Not do you like cantaloupe, do you like fuking cantaloupe...sexually. Some people very thoroughly enjoy... Cantaloupe.
Yeah....its distressing to people who actually like to be able to look at all sides of things, question them, question each situation for what it is and be open minded. This current culture allows for no grey area and is so full of judgement its suffocating. The problem is that people--higher ups, institutions companies etc--are allowing themselves to be bullied into submission. People have to be willing to step up and say "no, too bad, this is ridiculous and I'm not firing someone for something so small or taken out of context or for having a differing opinion to the masses. Deal with it" the way you may talk to a kid throwing a tantrum. Someone has to start having some courage.
“We were creating a world where the smartest way to survive was to be bland” great quote
I though she meant literally f-Ing cantaloupe
That was my first thought too. Like, weird fetish to call out, but okay.
I thought I was the only one!
They're soft...
im still confused what is she referring to lol because i totally thought it was the fruit. and i was like...thats oddly specific XD
I immediately thought of the grape fruit method
I got cancelled, on an extremely small scale, because my comments were taken out of context. It's dehumanizing, ostracizing, embarrassing and divisive. It's toxic. I agree with everything you've said!!
You are not alone. Happened to me.
@Buff Baby Honestly, I think I have a little bit of internet PTSD. Any time I see that I have a connect reply, or ANY FB notifications I have a mini panic attack. I rarely get on FB anymore because of it. I only follow goofy accounts on Instagram and I have most notifications turned off all together on UA-cam and Reddit.
people grow up as individuals, "one sin doesn't make you the devil", everyone at some point made a big mistake, let's cancel humanity right? is the point to find a person to keep shaming on and on and on or to stop the behavior from going on and on and on?
People have to get in their head that it's ok to disagree and they should agree to. We are not a beehive or an antnest. If everyone was the same, life would be bland, without any nuances. Utopias can become dystopias in practice.
@Indian Philosophy w...what? Yeah, a person who cheats in one relationship still deserves loyalty from their partner in another relationship. If they don’t get loyalty, you can call it karma. But it still wouldn’t make logical sense. Are you dumb?
The worst part of Cancel Culture is the situation when someone has different views from us, he will express them loudly and we are already using this weapon, I am a liberal, but I can see that it is liberals who more often use this weapon for which I personally feel ashamed, I think that there should be some conversation here, and not a witch-hunt for a different view
. I don't even want to talk about cases where cancel culture resulted from a court case, after which someone turned out to be innocent, but still bears the consequences.
There's a reason for boycotts being somewhat skewed against the right:
Cancel-worthy outrageously racist/sexist/… statements and ideologies usually don't come from the left and are agreed upon by many progressives and conservatives alike to be disagreeable, wheras not many agree on "cancelling" people who advocate for equal opportunity and human rights-even if they disagree with their specific ideas.
These are the worst cases, we all deserve DUE PROCESS and the innocent in these cases deserve RESTITUTION from the false accusers!
@@willguggn2 I disagree, the reason that cancel culture is skewed against the Conservatives is because it's the hard Progressives in academia and universities that started to and still decide/define what is "cancel worthy", "racist" or "sexist" and as Humans we're all biased.
@@marcusanark2541
Care to give an example?
It kind of depends...
Finally someone said it!!! I'm gonna be sharing this. Cause at least people will listen to me when it comes from Anna. I mean come onnnnn.. no one is perfect and no one will ever be perfect. If they haven't abused anyone in any way, murdered anyone,if they're not a rapist or a serial killer, etc...then just let the individual fix their mistake and move on and grow from it.
What is the point of 'cancelling them' ?
So many people stay quiet about so many things because of fear of this cancel culture and it is ridiculous. We should be able to express concern and ideas without being 'cancelled'. I mean...we claim to be free right? I ask..where is this so called freedom if we cancel anyone who has the guts to speak out or say or do something different or controversial?
People are born to make mistakes. Those mistakes should be forgiven and understood.
Yes.. gonna stop there.
Again...I love this so much. Thanks Anna... ♥️❤️
I’m sadly almost afraid to share this take on my socials bc a number of my friends are some of the worst perpetrators
And that's why you should post it up. I've just done it and said this is how I've felt fot a long time, I've just never known how to say it and have always been shutdown when I've tried to. Then told them to skip to 7.40 if they couldn't be bothered watching the entire thing.... as that's the part that will punch the hardest lol. Do it!! And good luck!!
You need to find new friends...
Dorian from of herbs and altars said it. "There's no point on activism if you don't believe people can change"
What bothers me the most is that cancel culture is usually projected onto people who make simple mistakes, or an edgy joke like, 5 years ago, or was maybe just misinformed on a topic and even take accountability. Yet, when there are abusers, pedophiles, rapists, etc. who take no accountability, they just... get away with it. And when they are held accountable, THEN their defenders say “don’t use cancel culture” while simultaneously trying to cancel an influencer for mispronouncing someone’s name. It’s just so much projection and fear mongering. It’s not just toxic, it’s hypocrisy and a product of fear mongering created by those directing attention away from the real issues, onto petty things that ultimately are no one’s business to begin with, when there are REAL issues to be addressed
We are so quick to find a post from 12 years ago and expect the person to apologize for it even though they probably have changed a lot since then. It’s sad that’s how people feel they need to “level up” and “feel good about themselves”
There are also things you might deem morally wrong while someone else might disagree and label it "satire" for example. The other person doesnt have to apologize to you because you take things in differently than them. Different generations, upbringings etc. can all influence these things and unless we want everyone to be the same, we should just accept that some are more open in certain areas while others are not, approach them with love anyway and explain our standpoint without satanizing theirs. Since I worked on a bachelors project on it, I always have to think about Nonviolent Communication here. The basic prinicple is: "If you want to express an issue, stay with yourself, your own feelings and needs, dont talk about the other person." Makes it easier for others to open up to you, because you are not fingerpointing.
Sorry I used the word "you" so much, it meant it as a general term, not referring to you personally. I just had to think of this because of your statement about apologizing and the question popped up who determines if we have to apologize or not.
I think we need to exercise more critical thinking online. That's it. Cancel culture is petty but I can't seem to let go the feeling that celebrities are accountable for the platform they are given. Many choose to stay private and gate their privacy but we can't deny that many others profit of this exposure..
This subject is so vast, I think this is just the tip of the iceberg for me.
Yeah, I can agree with that. But the thing is, how are we going to teach critical thinking? From my perspective, cancel culture is "mostly" run rampant by people under 25 years old, whose brains haven't fully developed yet. I remember that I started to get out of black and white -way of thinking way after turning 25. It's also easy to jump on the mob mentality, which cancel culture REALLY thrives on. And if you do think critically and disagree with the mob, you're bombared as well and labeled the same as the person in question.
Also at the end of the day, how much doesn cancel culture do? I see all the problematic youtubers still active and doing well, despite their scandals (Paul brothers, for example), while other, more proper youtubers get called out for the tiniest of things. How would cancel culture make sure that the celebrities that actually deserve consequences, get them, and those who just use the wrong word one time or buy/use clothes from the wrong store, don't get completely driven out of that platform? And when those celebrities do make mistakes, but change and show improvement, how does cancel culture make sure that it is noted rather than continues to use that old mistake against them? I've seen this happen more than a billion times and it's truly frustrating to watch.
it really...isnt that big a deal, if people arbitrarily decide not to support a celebrity...that's not bad. The celebrity isnt owed their support.
@@LadyDynamitez sure, there's a lot to say about how celebrity works nowadays with social media. Some influencers are really smart about their business and are known to cause mild drama just in time when they are about to launch their new merch...
Tbh, I agree with you in that younger audiences are prone to be more maleable and impressed by celebrities, but I don't think it's just age and maturity. You have to get the hard work done by yourself. You have to be aware of how influencers gain their money by the attention they attract so you have can have some thought about what media you want to consume. Critical thinking , optimally should be teached at schools, specially college. But many influencers have outsourced many words of wisdom, not unlike Anna, in helping their audience to figure out their feelings and thoughts about different matters.
But what about people who innocently lose their careers, become suicidal and have to go on medication for being wrongly canceled over a misunderstanding? Where is the accountability in the aftermath cancel culture can actually cause? Speaking from experience.
"Getting high on someone's low". I like that one.
We need to let go of cancel culture and go back to a little something called "constructive criticism".
At the end of the day, if someone does something wrong, they need to be told they were wrong and how to improve, NOT being told they were wrong and then banished from society.
Can you tell me what year constructive criticism was the norm?
I want to make clear I don't disagree with you but people acting out of ignorance and outrage seems pretty common throughout history. (Edit: spelling)
@@1993greeksoldier Unfortunately you are correct :(
@@1993greeksoldier it was when the internet was the wild west funny enough. Before facebook and back during aol. I miss it tremendously.
We self governed, we understood no one said who they really were and the fun was to be what you wanted. If you were a troll the worst we would do is mass send pms to freeze your computer so you had to shut it down and turn it back on again.
@@kopykat6843 I'm certainly glad you enjoyed those days and being in my late 20's I was just young enough at the time to have not engaged with the internet then.
I have certainly heard that algorithms have played a significant role in our current divides. so I could see there being some value to move away from them. On the other hand I do wonder if the culture back then had a lot to do with a smaller number of people online and less sensitive information being communicated.
@@kopykat6843 I remember that. Everyone made racist jokes and got offended when black people try to correct them.
Ms. Akana - You are an intelligent, reasonable, well-spoken and, perhaps most importantly, thoughtful voice in the cacophony of modern madness. Thanks. Truly.
People trying to cancel others for things in their personal life always gets me, most of the times it's none of our business.
My problem with the cancel culture debate is that it's too black and white, and everyone likes to pick and choose which cases support their side without viewing the issue as a whole. There are people who've been canceled unfairly, people who've been canceled and deserved it, people who were canceled and built their career back up just fine, and people who dodged legitimate criticism by crying out "cancel culture." This isn't a black and white issue. Plenty of people are just looking for a sense of moral superiority, and plenty of people just want people to face consequences for their bigoted behavior. But no one can seem to define what cancel culture exactly is, whether or not it's effective or even real, and what accountability is.
I get that what I'm about to point out is a tiny piece of a much larger point you were making, and that it doesn't invalidate that point in any way. Further, what I'm about to say isn't meant to invalidate your larger point in any way. All that being said... 0:19 is literally someone defining what cancel culture is exactly.
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Hmm I think how well the cancel culture debate is talked about depends on where you look. I think the longer well researched videos on youtube. articles or the books out there do a pretty decent job. You can say its hard to define, and that basically everything is hard to define, but there are well thought out, or academic definitions out there that can be used and are used and agreed upon quite largely from what I have seen. And no matter what the definition is just saying that x action(like thousands of people saying 'off yourself') has harmful effects and does not solve a problem is pretty fair. Like I agree with your point that it isn't black and white, but I also don't really see it presented as black and white, obviously i have not looked at everything
Honestly, I'm not convinced that cancel culture is ever the correct solution. There has to be better ways to make your voice heard and try to promote good behaviors than just verbally assaulting someone while following a hivemind.
_Slowly puts down bowl of cantaloupe..._
I'm late to the channel.....so do we like cantaloupe or dislike it? What about honeydew melon? (This was a joke....enjoy...you're welcome...)
The reason cancel culture will never go away is because those who wish to see it change, still follow it's rules
Anna: Canteloupe
Image: Honey Dew
Me: Confused
Hotel: Trivago
Can't use a picture of real cantaloupe. It's been cancelled.
That's a cantaloupe in green-face. Disgusting.
This is a timely, smart, and compassionate take on the subject. Anna always brings great topics to think about in a wonderful and entertaining way. The best way to be woke is through love, compassion, and respect.
YES PLEASE! More of this!! We need more content creators sticking up for people who deserve to their guilt be proven first
Re the Sonic situation being a happy ending: The animation team responsible for the redesign were worked into the ground - they were made to crunch over Christmas to get it done for a small budget and what was their reward? The company was forced to shut down and they all lost their jobs... Just a dark time since it does appear like a success.
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Wasn't that by Marza Animation Planet which will be involved in Sonic 2?
And that's why I've quit all social media. I dont want to stand out anymore, it's way too heavy.
When the internet got started in the 80s (ya, it existed back then for some people, mostly university types). We called it "flaming". If you did something online that pissed off the group, you would get loads of messages fired at you for doing it. Usually, that was for some kind of spam (another term invented way back then). People would shout at anyone in a college who broke the general rules of the group, like selling stuff. Part of the reason "flaming" happened was because the people doing it had some anonymity to exiling the offender. The whole thing is still happening now, 35 years later, called "canceling" today.
You can go on and on about Twitter. That site is so toxic filled with toxic people saying toxic stuff. Why can't we just live in a happy world?
They tried, it didn't work out. This is what you get when you give privilege to people. They start taking things for granted. Twitter is now a place of brainwashed shielded people that can't face facts.
It's easier to complain and criticize, losing time on internet, than improve yourself in silence and be happier. Happy people try to be more bland and understanding, they talk less and hear more. They're not trying to prove anything to anyone.
Why? Bigotry and capitalism.
What happy world?
Where?
Unless you are talking about the place you go when high enough on drugs, it doesn't exist.
@@SLYKM You forgot ignorance and selfishness.
The sonic incident had a very negative effect on the workers who had to work incredibly intense schedules to make the changes in time for the movie’s release. It was pretty awful.
Not to mention shame and embarrassment. So hurtful.
"Everyone thinks of changing the world but no one thinks of changing himself." - Leo Tolstoy
Themself would be the better word here but that quote is perfect to describe cancel culture.
Ironically enough "daddy square space" canceled my account for no good reason.
they found out you like canteloupe...
Saying that the opposition to the Tuvel thesis should have been based on critical thought or analysis illustrates the fundamental problem with cancel culture in that the cancel mob is essentially incapable of critical thinking, and relies on outraged feelings engendered by criticism of their ideology.
there isnt a mob. its a bunch of individuals making a mostly arbitrary, trivial decision that doesn't matter to them.
Not that people are incapable, rather unwilling because it’s easier to do so.
I have a quote, To remind myself of my own issues. “To Judge is to be Judged” to judge someone can backfire on you, others are watching and will judge you for your own actions and they may not like it! Learn about that person and he or did what they did, There may be reasons for it we just don’t understand at this time! The Bottom line is learn first, Judge last!!!
I hate Can't Elope, I believe that eloping should be an option for anyone who wants to get married and will always stand against organisations who try and stop it.
One of the advantages of being a social outcast is that it makes one immune to this sort of BS.
Anna, you've struck a blow against destructive, unearned tribal self-righteousness here - thank you VERY much for the responsible and judicious use of your platform. This is you seeking and defending truth, and I want to recognize you for that; truth is a good in itself, worth sacrifice to defend.
Gandalf:
"Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." - John Stuart Mill
I feel that it's so hard to freely express ourselves without any fear of how what we say online will be interpreted. Any slight deviation from what is widely acceptable from by any specific group and there might be backlash.
100% there should be a path of redemption
Well OJ Simpson has millions of followers so clearly there is
@@mynameisuju I dont know much about that case, but if its similar to the way fans react to the Jonny Depp thing its not exactly a path to redemption. Its a very black and white thing again, one side wanting the guy to be cancelled the other seeing some kind of innocent pariah in him. Im missing the middle way, often times.
The floating parenthesis and the subtle zoom in this "sidenote section" are a very nice touch.
Such a mature, articulated and well explained view point. Anna is such a breath of fresh air.
Just cancel ‘cancel culture’ already 😩people act like they’re not problematic at all or good people when they themselves should are the most problematic ones out there 💀 they’re usually so unnecessarily petty.
I agree unless dealing with republicans.
Republicans set the foundation for cancel culture with their "let the free market decide" defence of bigoted businesses. Being cancelled is simply the free market deciding and I don't think it is unreasonable to use their own standards of behaviour on them in order to try and teach them not to be dishonest, hypocrites and be consistent
@@IXSICNESS"Teach them not to be dishonest, hypocrites, and to be consistent."
That's pure irony on your part considering what the OP just said. People are quick to cancel others when they don't even have their own selves in check.
It doesn't matter what your political affiliation is, you can't try to teach others not to be "Dishonest, hypocritical and inconsistent" if you're still going to be dishonest, hypocritical, and inconsistent yourself just because you're against a certain political group. Having bias towards any political group, or any other group, always tends to breed hypocrisy and dishonesty.
It's like complaining about other people putting poop in their salad while still continuing to put poop in yours.
@@Chill.Blossom except I don't engage in dishonesty, hypocrisy and try to be as consistent as possible.
Unlike you, you fail to address my point and instead attempted and failed to equivocate.
My whole point is cancel culture is just the left co-opting a conservative strategy. And thus demonstrates everything I accused them of to be valid.
But please let's humour your tangent. What activity has the left engaged in which is analogous to say conservatives arguing that conservatives being held accountable is causing disunity and is censorship???
Let's use an example of the inconsistency I speak of with sexual assault responses to prove the fallacy in your argument.
Al Franken, he made a distasteful sexual joke before he ran for office that was photographed, conservatives and libs demanded his resignation and he resigned. Now let's consider kavanaugh, trump and Roy Moore. All 3 have heinous and credible sexual assault allegations yet conservatives screamed cancel culture when accountability was demanded and then went on to support them for political appointment via confirmation or by voting for them.
Only one side was consistent in their principles there and it wasn't the conservatives.
Now remember your examples need to be analogous not just a false equivalency
@@IXSICNESS You say false equivalency, but I believe that the point in my comment still stands. You continue to talk about the issues on the other side, but you avoid confronting or talking about the issues on yours. Which is my point. You almost made it seem like one party is worse than the other when both parties can get real trashy.
You solely mentioned the conservative party and Trump's allegations, but you didn't mention Kamala Harris's history and Joe Biden with his allegations and history too. Either you didn't know, or you purposefully left it out because they're democrats.
Like I said though, political affiliation doesn't matter. But if you wanna start talking about the problems on one side, start talking about the problems on yours too. Like how you said, "I don't engage in dishonesty and hypocrisy, and I try to stay as consistent as possible." so make sure to "stay as consistent as possible" and keep that same energy.
Folks can't just lie to people and have them thinking that specific candidates are better than Trump when they also have pasts that are questionable and could be more damaging than his.
But now since you wanna talk politics, we need to stop voting near century-old people into office and calling them "better". When they truly are no better and have skeletons hiding in their closet too. I don't believe it's right to deceive people about who they're voting for. It's important to mention everything so they'll be able to choose wisely.
We can make comparisons all day but we'll get nowhere because neither sides are innocent. Politics can get so divisive, and I don't understand what it has to do with cancel culture.
@@Chill.Blossom dude false eayquivocations are all you have.
Kampala Harris and Joe Biden's accusations are tiny in comparison. And they were held to account and the conservative lies were exposed.
I provided 3 definitive examples of hypocrisy on the right you provided 2 instances that are in no way equivocal and are only considered issues in the right wing propaganda machine which has recently been attacking Biden for his dog being old when people pointed out Ted Cruz abandoned his dog to freeze.
All you have is false equivocation dude.
Kamala Harris did her job as a prosecutor and Joe Biden puts his hands on people shoulders. Those are the examples you use to counter the 3 definitive examples I provided of republicans having zero consistency and demonstrating hypocrisy.
My advice... Google logical fallacies
If you don't have a clue what is has to do with cancel culture I have already explained. Cancel culture is simply the conservative strategy of defending bigots used against them
The truth is, everyone on earth is shitty and when an old way of being shitty to people is deemed inappropriate, they’ll just find a new way to be shitty and say “it’s okay, because we’re being shitty to the bad guy”.
I think this is one of the best videos on the subject. Its concise, to the point, and fair. Sometimes cancelling someone is okay, sometimes it is not.
What is interesting from a non-American perspective is that the US judicial system is wholly based on punishment, in the same way cancel culture is. There is no attempt to re-integrate a person, but only to harshly penalize someone for their wrongdoings. I can only feel like this must have SOME effect on how people think about fair judgement in America.
But, this is just a thought, judging people is inherently human. This definitely isn't an inherently American problem.
I’ve never considered this before! I am American, and I actually think you may be quite right!
I wish that we could move from punitive justice towards rehabilitative justice. I would be in favor of criminal justice reform.
The problem with cancel culture is the assumption that politics is always based on morality and there always needs to be punishment for subjective views on certain themes. Its usually about burning the witch for a comment they made 15 years ago instead of actually getting to know the person and engage in peaceful dialogue. In order for someone to be held accountable for something they have genuinely done wrong, the jury has to maintain dignity and respect for a system of order that can hold a person accountable with impartiality and with benevolent intentions, in other words, in order to hold someone accountable for their actions, individuals must refrain from toxic behaviours and allow more professional individuals to deal with the situation or interact with the individual who has made a mistake in a respectful and educational way.
Cancel culture lacks the capacity to enact discipline without chaos because it is based on emotional impulsiveness, somewhat like a riot with words, and nobody can discipline an angry mob when it goes way too far such as death threats, doxxing, cyberbullying and stalking and other undesirable behaviours. Because cancel-culture isn't organised, people who aren't emotionally mature enough to hold these people accountable the right way, tend to act like the judge, jury and executioner and take matters into their own hands, which often ends up in those individuals becoming part of the problem, and not part of the solution. Its also cyclical, because if someone's family is doxxed, who is held accountable if a child or vulnerable person comes to harm?
The context of why someone is being held accountable matters. If someone merely has a disagreement or different perspective on a political topic, it may not actually be reasonable to cancel that individual at all, because a debate or a discussion is more appropriate. Disciplinary action is only ever justified if the individual has done something wrong, and it needs to be purposeful. Everyone needs to be open minded, receptive to criticism and treat others how they would like to be treated.
12:19 the first answer I had to "what does Cancel culture truly promote?" It's fear. I am terrified that I will say or do one wrong thing and that's it. My life is ruined forever.
This was a refreshingly nuanced take on cancel culture. Brilliant stuff! :)
I remember seeing Obama say what he said in that Guardian clip - nodding and applauding in my mind.
Who writes this?!!
“Getting high on someone’s low”.
Very thorough presentation
Germans have a word for it : Schadenfreude
Sure we need room for redemption.
But redeptions comes with: own up your mistakes and show responsibiliy
I think instead of making people go to jail, we should just feed them a ton of cantaloupe
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Uh, did you mean honeydew melon?
Cause cantaloupe is delicious. Like have you had it in a lime-honey dressing with flaky sea salt? Or paired with prosciutto and balsamic vinegar pearls? It's super good that way.
You monster.
but I love honeydew 🍈🥺❤️
CANCELED
THE PICTURE IS A HONEYDEW MELON!!!!!
@@lexlane_ EXACTLY!
People who jump on the cancel wagon get an ego hit and a little bit of a power trip by tearing someone else down. It’s like mob mentality.
Oh, I'm glad that there are a lot of smart people who concerned with this big problem. This means that we will come up with the smart decision eventually.
I have my doubts because the majority of people are idiotic, irrational, or both, and growing by the day. I commend your optimism though
Unfortunately the dumb ones are the lowest common denominator
Maybe let's keep it esoteric though. ;) Smart conclusions adopted by non-smart individuals usually just ends up having pretty disastrous results.
@@sirebellum0 nah, people aren't that bad, they just don't pay much attention to what happens outside of their lifes most of the time.
We all agreed to good ideas like "killing is wrong" and "women can vote" and other stuff and didn't perished in the flames of nuclear war in the process. So that's just another challenge for our society and it's not even that big.
@@stanprogressstanyang well, it's good that most people are smart enough) otherwise we wouldn't be where we are now, talking about acceptance issues. We would be hitting each other with clubs instead.