This is the EXACT video I needed. I'm about to order my 2500 Megacab Limited. I was wondering if I should spend that extra 10,000 for the diesel engine. You just cleared it up for me. I'm going with the 6.4Hemi because I'm not going to be towing anything heavy enough to need a diesel engine. Thanks Bro. Love your content. Keep the information coming. You just gained a new subscriber. Peace and Blessings.
We added the Hellion turbo kit to our 6.4 2500 we also have fuel rims and 35 inch tires we also used and offset to push the tires out words my tires are 315 all the way around and we have a pro comp 6 inch lift on it
Absolutely get the Diesel. I have had Hemi since 2004 and they suck on fuel economy. Bought my first Diesel Ram HO 2021 model. It gets 20 miles to a gallon pulling my boat and my flat trailers and I would think long haul the diesel will be better on trade in
I traded my 2019 Rebel in for a 2021 2500 with the Hemi for the exact reasons you pointed out. I went from 1,441 lbs of available payload in the Rebel to 3,041 lbs of available payload in the 2500. Good video keep sharing.
Love this comparison. This is exactly why I went with the gasser. Great comparison! Another cost factor to consider is extra oil change cost, fuel filter cost, fuel cost, and inevitably emissions repair cost. As long as your not constantly hauling 14k + gasser is the most cost effective. And the new 8 speed makes them a great towing machine!
Can a 2019 2500 tradesmen long bed, pull 14,000 pounds? I’m looking for a truck strong enough to pull dump trailer. Dump trailer is 4,000 pounds with a 10,000 pound limit. So 14,000 pounds total.
Brilliant! I recommend that people look at the payload sticker on the driver-side door sill to see what a specific truck can handle, especially if you're shopping around. My 2016 1500 RAM w/3.0 diesel, Crew Cab 4x4 Laramie Long Horn Limited w/6.5 bed had a payload sticker rating of 895 lbs. I traded for a 2019 2500 Bighorn 4x4 Crew Cab w/Cummins 6.7 with a payload sticker of 2300 lbs. That suited my need for my 1750lb dry weight slide in camper.
Great video to get people critically thinking! It’s an important aspect of the buying process to weigh your usage (needs) against your wants. Actually sitting down and doing the math on payload/towing capacity like this can save a lot of headaches, and sometimes money! Both are great motors, but choosing the right one for your application makes all the difference! Beautiful truck, by the way!
Thanks for the info. It’s helping me a ton on figuring out what to buy. I want to stay with a 1500. Simply because I like the newer look and new features just a little bit better. I might need to go to a 2500 depending on the Grand Design we end up picking. All these numbers are getting overwhelming after a while. Your videos make it that much easier.
We just went through changing our 2013 1500 Laramie to a 2021 2500 Big Horn 6.4 this Spring to tow our 7200 lb (GW) 34’ Kodiak TT. I really wanted to stay with the 1500 for several reasons, but was finally convinced to make the switch when we were thrown into the other lane by a gust of wind on a highway. The 5.7 wasn’t the issue, it really was the trailer length (and how cross winds affect it). We have several family members that are ranchers and drive 3500/diesels, and I definitely didn’t want to drive those on a regular basis (mostly because of the ride quality of the 3500 vs 1500). The 2500 splits the difference, with the multi-link rear suspension. It rides really well on most roads. And the 6.4 (uses 87 octane by the way) with the 8 speed and 3.73 rear has plenty of power for what we need. I agree that the diesel (among other cons) is overkill for the extra $8-9k it would cost. However - the trade off is the mileage. I’m averaging about 12-13mpg driving around our town (which, has slow speed limits of 40kmh, and lots of stop and go), and more impressively as good as 19mpg on a recent 200km highway only trip (12.3 l/100kms is what my screen showed, at around 105-115kmh). We figured it was going to cost (in Canada) an extra $700-800/year to go the average 12,000kms (8,000 miles?) I drive the truck. Otherwise, I’m super happy I made the switch. The 2500 is way better at towing (the steering doesn’t get “light” the way it did on the 1500). Great video BTW. There’s a lot of us I think that have TT that are borderline too much for a 1/2 ton on a regular basis, but the other pros of having a 1/2 ton keep us from moving to a HD truck.
The 1500/150 series is loaded with crap to draw people in but the truth is you'd be better off getting an suv over the 1500 series. One of my buddies is cursing the ram name right now and I keep trying to explain to him that he's actually just cursing the 1500 series because no matter what brand you go for the truck with the most recalls and overall problem will be with those trucks just look up 2021 1500 recalls vs 2021 2500 recalls
@@IntothewestOkotoks this is a great assessment. Very well put. I appreciate you adding value! I am with you that while my 2500 is awesome (especially while towing) I do miss the everyday life ability of the 1/2 ton that you lose by switching to am HD truck
I have the crew cab 2500 with 6.4 motor and bed. 2018 model 18,000 miles. Use it for hunting trips, hauling my brute force ATV and other stuff. getting gas mileage as good or better than chev 5.3 gas motor. Very reliable truck. That ATV is 700 pds. With 17-18 mpg.nothing to complain about at all.
Great video, I applaud your attention to details, and over all us of the Truck. I was so set on the 2500hd Cummins, BUT, now Im 75 % leaning to the gasser. Thank you.
I love my 2020 Ram 2500 6.4 hemi, CC, LB, 4X4, 4.10 gears. It's been a great truck. I can get 18 mpg on the freeway at 70 mph. No need for mid grade or premium fuel it didn't improve my performance or milage.
The 3500 is a great option aswell. Just check your states tax laws. Some states severely punish the 1 ton over the 3/4 ton on a tax basis. Could be upwards of twice the annual registration
I know fuel prices fluctuate but in most cycles the Deisel costs more per Gallon than Gas further slowing your ROI in addition to the 10K upgrade costs and interest. in addition to the Diesels higher Maintenace costs.
I have a ‘19 limited crew 2500 Ram with the Hemi. 61000 miles pulling a closed utility 20ft trailer 5-7 days a week with hills, interstate/city/highway mixed. Put 50000 miles in it in 2 years. Being in NH I didn’t want to wanna about engine block heaters and hard cold starts as I get up at 1am to pull my load up that can get up to 6500 lbs in the trailer being a combined weight of just under 10000 on a rare occasion. Most days load is around 4000 lbs give or take 500. It manages it well I think … yea does run the rpms and fuel economy drops down to 5mpg up grades for me with all terrain tires. Minimum ‘89 plus but dabble in 91 non ethanol from time to time does make a difference but like running a diesel sometimes the cost on the fuel isn’t necessary. Only issue I have had was new UJoint /tie rods at 55k chalking that up to the line of work I’m in and the road salt. Wanted a Ford Tremor but can’t afford it and GM product my buddies like the comfort but I know 3 guys that didn’t even make it 2 years and that needed new transmissions and yes they were the quote un-quote Allison’s. For the price overall been happy with the reliability and performance this far though recognize is subjective to where you live as well and what your needs are. Don’t forget more expensive the value of the truck as well with the diesels the more insurance, property/registration is also going to be as well
Just came across this video. I have been debating the same engine choices. I will be towing a travel trailer from time to time, but not regularly. Was leaning towards a 2500 or 3500 gas engine, because this will also be my daily driver. Really believe the 6.4 Hemi will be enough to do what I want to. Also appreciate that you don’t talk just to hear yourself talk. You have the info and get it to your viewer without droning on. Thanks for the info.
@@liveyourfree no problem. I am going gas. Waiting for the 2023 Rebel 2500 to hit the dealer near me. Built one on Ram Builder, spec out the way I wanted.
Great vid. This is a great pro con video for the diesel/gas debate. Also look at general user maintenance like oil changes between the two. Diesels cost more at the same interval as the gas. I’m looking at a 3500 with a hemi. And for long term (after warranted) maintenance such as after treatment and engine, are expensive on diesel compared to gas. If an injector goes on my hemi I can replace it with basic hand tool on the side rod the road with a diesel you will be taking it to a shop. Turbos are expensive.
The cost of maintenance is vastly different between the 2 engines as well. Between the oil changes , required air filters and fuel filters it adds up on the Diesel.
Great information and analysis. Thank you. My only concern with the gas engine is range. Last I checked the tanks are the same capacity. The extra fuel mileage of the diesel provides an extra 100-150 miles on a fill-up.
Thank you. You are definitely correct on the range. There is a difference in the range. We towed our travel trailer cross country this past summer and we were filling up about every 180-220 miles (depending on wind/terrain). In 16 days total we spent over $3k in fuel. We did the math and planned for it but geesh it was still a lot. It worked out because it was helpful to get out and stretch our legs at about the 3-3.5 hr mark (especially with younger kids). The rate of stopping was much higher than what I typically would do on a road trip without towing the trailer though
Excellent information thank you , I'm in a 2020 1500 Ram now with a 25 foot camper and getting ready to upgrade my truck and camper... I'm looking at the Cougar 290 RLS fifth wheel with the pin weight at 1,805 and dry weight 8800 lbs . The decision is exactly what your talking about , it's either a 2500 gas or a 3500 diesel ...But I don't need a Maga cab because it's just my girlfriend and I . I'm leaning on the 3500 diesel fir the power and resale later , gas is cheaper up front and fuel so it's a tough decision . 😳
Great video. I am pretty torn about stepping up to a 2500 hemi from my 1500. I def don’t need the Diesel engine. You bring up some great points, thanks again
Good points, its a matter of preference at the end of the day but diesel is not for everyone. but another thing to consider is gas prices. they are going up, but diesel will at some point be the same or cheaper as prices go up. history will repeat itself. but the other thing he said is correct too, if u like diesel, think 3500, where everything is beefier and greater payload.
Great vid man and straight to the point. I was just talking to my wife about this yesterday and boom💥 here vid to break it down for me. I love my Ram 1500 but the 2500 is a much needed upgrade with our AC business now.
Thank you my friend. I'm really glad this helped. I totally get what you are saying. I loved 1500 but had to move up once some things changed to where I could no longer safely tow what I needed within limits. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Let me know how your truck purchase goes!
Excellent video. I'm currently deciding between the 2 myself. I'm leaning towards the diesel because of the range. I've looked into aftermarket ways to make the mpg even better than stock and there seems ro be a lot of options out there. I'll do the same for the gasser. Your financial analysis is great food for thought as well. I planned on dropping a lot down so that would make the "financing" even as far as money goes. I wonder if that'll shake it out even more. Especially with the price of petro today. Great video!
Thank you! Definitely go with your gut on how it will best work for your use and lifestyle of the truck. Let me know what you go with please. Would be awesome to see how you end up. I appreciate you watching and your comment!
Great video and I agree with everything you said. This is why I have a 1500 and not a 2500. I “want” a 3500 but don’t “need” it so I went for economics and bought a less expensive but gorgeous half ton that can do more than what I even use it for.
Thanks! That makes perfect sense. Believe me, if I could still do everything I needed to do with my half ton, I would still have it. I really enjoy the 2500 and am thankful for it but using it for everyday life items is no where near as convenient as it was with a half ton.
Not to mention front suspension wearing out. My FIL has the diesel, I have the 6.4, both 2018, his sits over an inch lower in the front. He got a leveling kit. I didn't have to. Suspension is the same on both trucks. Which is crazy ...should have stiffer front springs as well as sturdier bushings.
I haul all the time. 2022 ram 2500 hemi. Tow between 6k to 13 k all day long. In 3 month I have tow 27k and truck runs amazing. Saved so much on maintenance by far.next truck will be a 6.4. I have save so much on just Def alone.
I'm just like you, love both engines. Looking to upgrade from my 19 rebel for more payload. Just putting it out there for the guys that WANT to have the diesel but really only need payload capacity, it is quite literally a $75 difference(yes, $75) between a 2500 and 3500(based off Ram's website).
Thanks for making this video..I have been going back and forth about the gas or diesel for a couple months now..I'm still stuck on two things ..longevity of the motor..diesels could go 500k+ if you take care of them and resale value. Thanks for taking time to make the video.
You're welcome and thank you for watching. I totally get where you are coming from. I would recommend leaning on how long you plan on having it and how you will use it. In my situation, I don't see myself keeping any vehicle that long but that's only because I'm not in the position where I will use it in a way that I need to keep it that long. One thing to keep in mind is the difference in the cost of maintenance between the two. The maintenance is higher on the diesel but like you said, the resale value is higher. It could end up being a profit, a loss, or a wash. I wish you the best on what you decide. My hope is that you are happy with whichever one you choose!
Can they tho? It depends on what you include in the “longevity” category, DPF? NOx sensors? DEF system, including the heater, injectors? EGR? Turbo? HPFP? Etc? Sure the block will likely last 500k but will all the other components? I personally don’t consider it a 500k engine if these other parts don’t last as long as the block… just food for thought, and let’s be open about everything. A fas block can be had for just the diesel injectors alone. I do love the pull and sound of the diesels tho!
Thanks JC. There definitely seems like alot more to keep a diesel running..I admittedly dont know much about them but as I look more at them especially because I wont really be hauling anything crazy heavy when you take everything into consideration the hemi with the 8 Spd is probably the way to go. Thanks again for the input.
I spent the month of July pulling the exact same camper you have around the mountains of the western United States. I was pulling with a 201 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi that I purchased new. All of my payloads were below capacity. Honestly, the truck struggled up and down grade and averaged 8.3 mpg over 4500 miles. I got home and traded it in for a 2021 Ram 3500 HO Cummins with the Aisen transmission. While I agree with some of your opinions on the differences between gas and diesel truck ownership, It is of my opinion that if you can afford the initial cost difference, do it. They are not even in the same category for towing and reliability. I am getting just over 6 mpg better in the Cummins currently in all around driving. Where I live regular gas and diesel are almost the same price. Per Ram recommendation, I ran mid grade gas over the lowest grade, which cost about 20 cents more than diesel in my area. Maybe these newer Ram Hemis are a better truck than the 2015 model? Maybe not. I just know from experience that it is nowhere close to the capabilities of the Cummins model. Love your video and keep them coming...
I hear where you are coming from and definitely agree it's no comparison between the 6.4 hemi and the HO Cummins. They are two different worlds for sure. The HEMIs are designed to Rev higher especially with Tow Haul mode. I haven't felt like I was lacking the guts in the truck to do any job I needed with the exception of going over the Ike gauntlet in Colorado. The truck struggled big time on that stretch. I think any gas engine would struggle on that pass primarily because of the elevation. I definitely think the diesel is needed if you are towing on that terrain on regular. I am happy with the 6.4 overall (minus the gas mileage like you mentioned) but the 3500 like you have would be my choice if I was to go with the diesel. I absolutely would not get it in a 2500. I thought maybe that was just a RAM issue but I looked at my neighbors 2500 HD high country Duramax and his payload was only 1700lbs! That would not work nearly as well for towing the travel trailer or 5th wheel. I am with you though, the diesels power is unmatched compared to the gas. I really appreciate you watching and for your comoment my friend!
@@liveyourfree overall, I loved my 6.4 2500. It was a great truck. The trade in value wasn't much less than what I paid for it in 2015. That alone made the decision to trade up much easier. My new 3500 is the Tradesman package, so the cost was still very reasonable in my opinion. With my trade in and some negotiating, I was able to get into the new truck for $30K. It's worth every penny in my opinion.
I currently own a 2006 Ram 1500 quad cab hemi 4x4 with 3.92 gears and every time I tow my Jayco 23rb travel trailer I regret selling my high output 2003 Ram 2500 Cummins. In fairness, I do live at high altitude and there is no comparison. The Hemi has been reliable though.
I think the return on investment makes sense if you’re shopping for a base level work truck, but if you’re buying a limited model or the top trim level, it’s ultimately going to come down to other factors than money. 10k more upfront hits a lot harder on a 35k truck than an 85k truck. The payload part makes sense and maintenance headaches from the diesel make sense though.
Well done and articulated. Some people out there really had better know just what they are buying into. It really pays off to know just exactly how a diesel engine functions with all of its ups and downs, along with a v-8 gasser and there is a BIG difference to stop and consider for sure. Do your homework.
I have 2013 Dodge Ram 2500 5.7 Hemi Big Horn. And I just sold my 2006 Dodge Ram 2500. I bought new and sold it with 229670 miles on it. And it still ran like the day I bought it. But what I’m getting at is I’m looking for another Dodge this time diesel and I’ve been going back and forth either another 2500 or a 3500. But I think this video made my mind up a 3500 is what’s next. Thanks
Have thought about ordering a 2500 with the hemi because the toy hauler I want loaded doesn’t weight more than 12k and since I don’t tow every day or every weekend the diesel would just be extra money spent for no reason.
Do you have the link to look up your truck specs. I have done the fcacommunity link but all it shows are the options - nothing about rear axle or payload
Great video. I have a 2020 F250 platinum powerstroke. The value for resale is very high actually over the price I paid for the truck. Diesels hold 5heir value because they are expected to run 500k miles and so on. I think its preference. MegaCab is a sharp truck congrats to you!
Thank you my friend. That f250 platinum is a nice truck. If I go Ford, that's what I've always said I would get although depending on payload it may be a F350.
Spot on. I had a 1500 Rebel that had 1462 payload and upgraded to a 2500 hemi and the payload is just under 3k. Much safer to tow my travel trailer and can still put other things in the bed without any worry of payload issues.
Great video. I was fortunate I was able to buy my ‘2020 tradesman level 2 Crewcab with with the Diesel engine last year for a very good price($48,500). If I was buying one again, I would get the hemi option in a 3500.
That's a great price! I personally think you have the best setup of purchasing a 2500 with the diesel engine. Getting the 3500 with the hemi would definitely give you the best payload number. I have never driven a 3500 with the hemi. I wonder how it rides/pulls
I love the diesel power and longevity, but I went gas in my 2019 2500. The price, cheaper fuel “where I live”, lack of emitions restrictions, and modern capability of gas trucks are all my reasons. And I won’t lie and say the hemi pulls like a Cummins. But the hemi is a hoss in its own right. My 2019 with the 8speed and a 4.10 pulls my dump trailer loaded down “15k lbs” with ease.
15,000 lbs.? That is a lot for these trucks, I got a 2017 with the 6.4 and 4.10 gears but not the 8 speed transmission which I think is a significant factor. I plan on getting a fifth wheel hopefully soon and I think 9000lbs dry and no more than 11,000 fully loaded will be plenty for mine.
@@richr2310 should work out fine 👍, and if your ever wanting a little more power, a cold air intake and exhaust go a long way on this truck. You gotta let the hemi breath and the stock air boxes on these are crap. Especially on the pre 2019 models that didn’t have a ram air system.
I have a 2021 Chevy Trail Boss and thinking of switching to a diesel. Either the at4 or the Ram 2400 Laramie night edition! I won’t be hauling anything, just all my work equipment and well I travel a lot for work! So I just won’t something with great fuel economy! I know diesels are better but I do have to pay extra for it and idk if it’s worth it 😭😭 then again If i get diesel, the Dig crew can always fuel me up 😁😁
Sounds like you have a big choice to make brother. I would say Keep working to consider all the pros and cons to the gas and the diesel. Ask yourself, how are you going to use the truck? How many miles will you be driving in a year? How much are you able to budget for maintenance, and really is the additional power of a diesel important enough to YOU to spend the extra money. If it is and you can accept the extra cost then I say go for it. Everyone will have an opinion that reflects their own preferences. Get the one that makes the most sense for YOUR situation and that YOU will be all around happy with. I am interested in seeing what you decide!
@@liveyourfree well To be honest I always wanted a diesel and a truck that gives me more fuel range. I can afford one too. I will be driving it a lot. And maybe later I will have to be hauling a camper. And like I said, I won’t have to be paying for diesel much since the people I work with will be fueling me up some times so that’s a plus for me. I know maintenance on a diesel is more expensive but Like you said, If i can afford it then go for it and it will make me happy lol also, my next truck will have 360 view, leather seats and sun roof and all the good stuff. But yes, people will have their opinions and they have the right to do so. Lol
Great video, thanks. “Depends on how you use it” = exactly…….we tow an 11,000lb tailer with about another 1,500 lbs of hitch weight and cargo. A 2500 RAM long bed with camper shell to secure the gear. The result is a smooth and stable ride and the diesel gives the mileage and torque numbers needed as were towing constantly in the rockies.
Wassup bro, good to see another video from you! Its all about give and take when choosing your truck. Just under 1k lbs is alot of extra payload. Aside from payload, if you hunt shotgun season chances are there are some pretty narly mudholes to go through gettin to the spots and gas engines are gonna perform much better in those situations. Being able to rev much quicker and higher cant be replaced offroad imho! Cant wait to see it with the new addition uve made...be safe and enjoy til then bro!!
I completely agree with you good brother. I think you are spot on about getting through the mud holes on the way to the spots. I'm definitely looking forward to the season and testing it out! Thanks for watching and your support!
@@liveyourfree i know you are! Its gonna be crazy seeing that big beast gettin down offroad! Just back from a trip up to the mountains of northern PA and saw some nice looking bucks up there! I didnt take my shotgun with me but i will when we go back in September. Even saw a few albino deer..a buck and a few dough's. First saw those up there 2 years ago and was amazed! Had a lil more bounce in the rear than i wanted towing the camper this trip on these horrible roadways so hopefully this week i can install the Carli upper shock mounts and get my 2nd adjustable shock put on so i can tighten them up. Also, i have my first set of sumosprings on the way. Looking forward to testing the difference when its done 💪🏽
@@wellthatdidntwork sorry for the late reply. I just realized I completely missed this post. Now that we are in September it's game time! How's your truck working out for you now with the new mods?
@@liveyourfree not a problem at all!! I saw my local farmers with the combines out the other day. I got a chance to ride in one myself for the first time during my trip as well. The new mods are great. Funny story, i actually planned to do it one saturday and the truck is so big it wont fit under anything while its jacked up and it was absolutely pouring rain all day. I grabbed my lil pop up tent and got to work! I was too soaked and tired for a test drive right after but i do notice a half inch increase in unloaded stance (i used the included spacers) and the ride is still very close to stock unloaded. Gonna tow with it soon. We were gonna hit chippokes state park this weekend but theres rain in the forecast so we may wait. Cant wait to see how it tows. If its too stiff i can always remove the spacer
I agree with you plus with the new emissions and additives it's very expensive flipside you will definitely get your 10 g's back on resale and diesel will last 150k longer. I'm still buy a gasser next.
This video was great! Made me think a lot about trucks in general. My 2016 Silverado 1500 Crew Cab 4x4 payload is 1635 lbs. My gas mileage while towing my 2021 GD Imagine 2500RL is 11 to 13 mpg on the straits. I used to have a diesel 1998 Dodge 2500 the best diesel on the market. I have researched the new diesels using Def they are not holding up like the old ones. We would get 400,000 miles on an old diesel can the new diesels do that? I don’t think so. I am sticking to gas!! Thanks
Thank you! I really enjoy the 2500 but I do miss my 1500 from time to time when not towing and from an everyday life perspective. Life happened with a family member's health and it took me out of the position of being able to stay under the 1407lb payload. That is great gas mileage you're getting while towing. They don't make vehicles like they used to, that's for sure! Be blessed!
Keep in mind that if you drop down your trim package that you would get a lil more payload for instance the 2500hd Big horn has more payload then the higher trim package limited and yes they both gasser
This is very true. The extra equipment in each trim you select adds extra weight. That was specifically why I made that statement about having the limited in the video. You are spot on. It's also important to remember that if one drops down the trim level, they will lose a lot of the luxury options they enjoy. For many, that's not an option they are interested in exploring. For others it's not a big deal at all. I guess it all cones down to personal preference. Thanks for watching and your input!
@@liveyourfree right that how I feel and I wanted more payload that why I went with the big horn and I did the whole Luxury thing on my Durango and did not use 80% of the stuff I said never again and for the price
My 2500 also has 6.4 L Hemi option. NO Cummins option in mine since I went with the Power Wagon. Does everything I need to do. Owned 3 diesels, don't need any them anymore.
That's a great video man, I have a 2021 tradesman 6.4 hemi crew cab 4x4 and it's an awesome truck except for one thing and it's ride is rough as hell (maybe I got a lemon or something) next to my 19 but I still love it because I get anywhere from 12 mpg on an all city tank or 14.5-15.5 mixed driving and I only got about 18 in mixed driving with my 1500, I will take that all day every day for the added capability, pulls great to me but I've never had a diesel to compare it to, and the resale value seems to be alot better than the 1/2 tons as well, in my area I see people asking more for my type of 2509 used than what I paid for it brand new
Thanks brother. Sorry for the late reply. I'm just seeing i missed a few comments. I agree with you about the rough ride. I test drove a Laramie while getting an oil change and hated it. I later tested drove a 2500 with air suspension and it was a completely different riding experience. That's what sold me to get it. It ALMOST rides like a half ton. The bad thing about the limited is that I am carrying around extra weight from the features and it makes it rougher on city driving for me. Highway isn't bad but you can definitely make money off of them right now. I appreciate you watching!
Great job brother, I did a spread sheet just for this. The other issue people don’t think of is the 100,000 miles of maintenance. Here is it if you follow the manual for each truck. Below are just the scheduled maintenance if you took it to the dealer. Yes some backyard mechanic will say I can do it for less, (this is not for you) Ram diesel $15,482 (100k maintenance) Ram 6.4 $3,142 (100k maintenance) Remember these numbers are dealer services not you buying Walmart oil and filters and draining the tranny at 30k
Well said. Another point about diesel fuel economy which I always hear so much about. Indeed it is much better than gas when unloaded. But towing is pretty much the same as gas. I see a lot of diesel guys on UA-cam getting around 8mpg towing their rigs. That's about what I get. Yes, a diesel would go faster, but...is that really necessary? My 3/4 ton gasser got up an 8% grade@70mph with my 7800 pound TT, me & my wife and a months worth of camp supplies. The truck yelled & screamed lol, but it did it! And about re-sale, yes they sell for more years down the road, but they cost more upfront. So is it that the value has increased in time over the gas, or are you just getting back that higher initial investment? I think the latter, but hey...just my two cents!
This response is gold. Perfectly stated especially for the casual use many will use their truck is for (RV trip, move a 8k-12k load every now and then). Anyone doing more than that and must have a diesel should be using a 3500 anyway. Thanks for adding value with your comment!
I also chose the Hemi when I ordered my 2500 Limited MegaCab. Also went with the 4.10 rear end which kicks up towing to over 16k. Another item of note on the modern diesel is the impact of the emissions control features they now have to put on. If you let your diesel truck sit for periods of time or only use it around town when not towing you will most likely run into regen issues. Diesels (and the Cummins is a great one) are fantastic if you tow heavy and often. But if not, you're going to burn through DEF and could run into some expensive maintenance issues. Not saying not to get a diesel, just be aware of what you are actually getting into.
This is good wisdom right here my friend. I'm with you. I believe the diesel has too many aspects to contend with in some ways. If I was to make a change on my truck it would have been to get the 4.10 rear end. The 3.73 works for what i need but the 4.10 wouldn't hurt. Thanks for adding value to this thread.
On paper that truck is rated for 16k, yes. However, in the real world it's a total pig on anything north of 10k. I'm in Florida and tow everyday. Drove from Tampa to Orlando to pick up a mini skid and brought it back in a 16 foot dump trailer, right at 10k. It was that trip that I was fed up with the 6.4! If your towing 14-16k with the 6.4, you know that truck is screaming with that kind of a load. Now I've got a 21 Cummins Laramie cc, now that's a towing machine and It also feels much safer towing! One word, exhaust brake!
@@justpalms9978 Valid point. I would have pegged it at anything north of 12k. But you're absolutely right, towing heavy means diesel. As my TT maxes out at just under 9k the big Hemi works great.
I've never ran into this, high idle and using tow mode through town without a trailer most of the time, no regen issues/def issues. If you have a problem and its out of warranty, just let stuff fall off. That said you can't beat the pre emission ones in terms of reliability.
Ok that extra 900 lbs can be used to carry 4 full sized adults, along with the travel trailer you can tow! If I were to buy a new HD/SD truck? I consider looking at either of the Chevy,Ram or Ford, with the gas engines, the Ford does offer the Godzilla V8, with crazy power that might sway my mind, if the price is reasonable.
I travel for work 70-130 miles a day, & haul a mini excavator. That’s why I went with Diesel. Also average 21.7 mpg at 65-67 mph on highway. Mileage & power !
I get it. The way you use it for work, the distance, and the frequency you use it makes sense for a diesel. It makes sense and you realize how you need to use it!
Yeah my 2022 tradesman has almost 3200 payload and over 17,000 towing. 6.4 with 4:10 rear. I’ve been a life long diesel guy but I really can’t stand what they’ve done to the new ones sure they pull but def………dpf filters…….. lower gas miles than the older ones. Plus my original diesel was a 7.3 power stroke, which had 350 hp and 550 lb ft of torque i actually think the new 6.4 with the 4:10 arguably tows better than that one did. I don’t regret going gasser yet at all. Just towed about 15,000 with it. No problem. And daily towing about 12,000
I just traded in my 2018 6.4 2500 Ram on a 2021 F-350 7.3 Godzilla, 4.30 geared truck 10 speed . It can gooseneck 20K Lbs . It’s got more towing than I’ll need & believe it or not gets better MPG’s than my Ram Also & none of the diesel nonsense. Luv it so far ! Trade in was through the roof on my Ram too!
Thank you so much for the Easter Egg. I've been searching through forum's, watching video's and looking at carfax stickers. You are the first to mention the Vin# look up! THANK YOU...like others, it will be a 6.4L for me. Also, when you factor in DEF/Diesel cost per mile, maintenance costs, you may never break even with long term ownership. Resale are equal parts to initial costs.
So do you have that same "squeal" from the 6.4 as so many people complain about? It sounds like a belt squealing in the motor but apparently its from an unknown source and not a belt- and its been complained about for several years on the 6.4L HD. I went and looked at 6.4L 2500's tonight, all new 2021 Laramies and all of them had the same squeal from the motor. I liked the truck, until I started each one and they sounded like an old worn out car.
Yup its there and I hate it. Crazy thing is I don't even remember hearing it until about a week after owning it. I talk about it in this video ua-cam.com/video/yfVsIApzfFo/v-deo.html
I had a Toyota Tundra and also just purchased a Grand Design 22MLE. Fully loaded it’s about 7,000lbs. But the problem with the Tundra is the payload, only about 1,200lbs. If I was a weekend traveler it might of worked, but I’m retired and planning to travel the country. Also, want to add kayaks we just purchased and maybe a generator etc… Don’t get me wrong, I loved the Tundra. I could tell the payload was a problem for the Tundra and just didn’t feel safe. So after a lot of thought I purchased a Ram Tradesmen with a few nice upgrades and will do several more on my own. Payload of my new Ram is 3124, with max towing of 17,000K. We are currently traveling the California, Oregon and Washington coast for the next month, I can already say I made the right decision in purchasing the Ram. The difference in towing is amazing, my wife as the passenger says she can fill the difference in power and stability. So this guy has it right on with his assessment. Great advice and video. Keep it up!!
Thank you and congrats on the travel trailer and upgrade on the truck. Safe travels and enjoy that well earned retirement. Also 3124lbs if payload is huge!
@@estarr2243 nice! Would really be interested in learning what you think about it once you tow. Congrats on the upcoming retirement. I'm sure it's well earned.
I recently purchased a new gas 2500 Ram. The reason instead of diesel was the payload difference almost an extra thousand pounds. Plus I didn't need the extra 2000 lbs of towing. The slightly higher cost of diesel even means with better fuel economy it would take forever for the diesel to catch up with the gas engine. I was told 9800 dollars to upgrade to diesel and a website online comparing mpg difference was that the diesel performed by about 2-3mpg better in the city but performs a little less on the highway than the gas. From a cost point, I don't think you could ever make the money back and if you want more towing capacity I would say just go with the 3500 Ram.
Can a 2019 2500 tradesmen long bed, pull 14,000 pounds? I’m looking for a truck strong enough to pull dump trailer. Dump trailer is 4,000 pounds with a 10,000 pound limit. So 14,000 pounds total.
From your old 1/2 ton compared to my 21 ford 150 I have about 500 more pounds payload with pretty close towing capacity. Must be the coil spring vs leaf springs is the difference. That trucks are both 4x4 crew cabs, I have the 3.5 eco boost though, but I can’t see where that would make a 500 pound difference between it and the 5.7 hemi or I’m wrong…? I still prefer my 3/4 ton diesel over a gas burner for towing any day. Still good information and vid👍🏻
Thanks for watching my friend. It comes down to the frames. The all aluminum frame weighs much less than the RAM frame. Ford has the best payload by far. The diesel will definitely do better towing. No one can ever debate that for sure
Good video. My 2020 RAM 2500 Limited is 2014 lbs payload with a Cummings. I agree you have to know what are you going to use it for? I’ve just always wanted a diesel and I love the Limited’s features, great quality! It’s my retirement gift to me!
Thank you. First of all, congrats on retirement! With that as a gift, it sounds like it was well earned! I think RAM overall is weak on payload. I'm with you. I really enjoy the features of the limited as well. Thanks for watching and enjoy retirement!
Very well said , it puts things into perspective that RV dealers and probably most car dealers won’t tell you. Do you notice a big gain in towing with a 6.4 liter over the 5.7?
Thank you. I agree. It's definitely helpful to know that info before going to a dealer. I noticed a gain from the stability and control perspective. Power wise I thought the 5.7 with 3.92 gears was faster at getting up to speed faster than the 6.4. In all fairness, the 6.4 does have a couple thousand pounds more to move than the 5.7 does. It's a give and take for sure. I am very happy with the 6.4. I would do everything the exact same way again in getting the 6.4 if I had to do it all over again.
Depends...what axle gear ratio is in your 2500. If it's the standard 3.73 then yes, not as quick. If you upgraded to 4.10 then the 2500 is likely quicker...and can tow heavier.
@@billbillinger2491 that is fair. Can't argue with that. I haven't driven it with the 4.10 gear ratio so I can't speak to it from experience. Thanks for adding value!
I debated back and forth whether I should get the diesel or 6.4 and after taking it cross country it was a no brainer it tows like a beast and I get 11 mph more than my 2015 ram with the hemi
Yeah the payload on my 2020 ram 3500 is 7000 cause gvwr is 14,000 and I can also pull a damn house I love it for my work and daily but this is very informative for the 2500
You know what? I noticed that too! You are the first person I have come across to acknowledge that. It does rev extremely high when you first cut it on. I don't know if it is a problem as much as it may be the way they were designed to rev. You've got me really thinking 🤔
With the disparity between gas and diesel these days gas is the only way to go. I have a Ram 3500 diesel and I just bought a 2500 6.4l hemi and the savings on fuel, def, and oil changes is making the payment on the new ( used) gasser
That is the PERFECT question! The "for who" is the part we need to know. You are spot on. If I can ever find one I would love to do a review on it. I personally don't think they are far enough in their development to have a strong roi for how people would want to use them
Daily driver here. No towing worth mentioning. Plenty of payload in my 2022 Laramie 2500 4x4 Hemi. Max payload will likely be less than 1000 pounds, I did drop the tire pressure to 65 psi all around for a bit softer ride. The truck came with air suspension and the 3.73 ratio. MPG is 11-12.
So many guys, especially the younger crowd, get diesels just because it’s the new “cool” thing. The biggest and the baddast even though they don’t have shit to tow lol. Probably even drive it around with the tow mirrors out LOL
This is the EXACT video I needed. I'm about to order my 2500 Megacab Limited. I was wondering if I should spend that extra 10,000 for the diesel engine. You just cleared it up for me. I'm going with the 6.4Hemi because I'm not going to be towing anything heavy enough to need a diesel engine. Thanks Bro. Love your content. Keep the information coming. You just gained a new subscriber. Peace and Blessings.
That's awesome bro. I'm glad it brought value. Let me know what you end up with once you get it ordered. I appreciate you watching and your support!
We added the Hellion turbo kit to our 6.4 2500 we also have fuel rims and 35 inch tires we also used and offset to push the tires out words my tires are 315 all the way around and we have a pro comp 6 inch lift on it
Absolutely get the Diesel. I have had Hemi since 2004 and they suck on fuel economy. Bought my first Diesel Ram HO 2021 model. It gets 20 miles to a gallon pulling my boat and my flat trailers and I would think long haul the diesel will be better on trade in
I traded my 2019 Rebel in for a 2021 2500 with the Hemi for the exact reasons you pointed out. I went from 1,441 lbs of available payload in the Rebel to 3,041 lbs of available payload in the 2500. Good video keep sharing.
That's awesome. It's amazing how big of a jump it makes. I appreciate you watching!
Love this comparison. This is exactly why I went with the gasser. Great comparison!
Another cost factor to consider is extra oil change cost, fuel filter cost, fuel cost, and inevitably emissions repair cost.
As long as your not constantly hauling 14k + gasser is the most cost effective. And the new 8 speed makes them a great towing machine!
I fully agree with you. Thanks for watching and for taking the time to comment!
Can a 2019 2500 tradesmen long bed, pull 14,000 pounds? I’m looking for a truck strong enough to pull dump trailer. Dump trailer is 4,000 pounds with a 10,000 pound limit. So 14,000 pounds total.
@@unitedinteriorscinci Why not just get the 3500?
@@unitedinteriorscinci I have a 2500 6.4 2022 tradesman crew cab long bed. Can’t figure out what I can tow yet either lol
Wow! Who would have thought this? Thanks for sharing!!
Brilliant! I recommend that people look at the payload sticker on the driver-side door sill to see what a specific truck can handle, especially if you're shopping around. My 2016 1500 RAM w/3.0 diesel, Crew Cab 4x4 Laramie Long Horn Limited w/6.5 bed had a payload sticker rating of 895 lbs. I traded for a 2019 2500 Bighorn 4x4 Crew Cab w/Cummins 6.7 with a payload sticker of 2300 lbs. That suited my need for my 1750lb dry weight slide in camper.
Natural communicator. Really like the videos.
Thank you. I really appreciate that
Great video. I bought the diesel but it was a Tradesman so my payload is fine. Living in the Rockies and towing my camper, a diesel was a no brainer.
Makes perfect sense. How are you enjoying it?
@@liveyourfree I love it! By far the best truck I ever had. Ram makes a beauty.
Dude, yes - exactly! Well said. This will be a great reference video and hope it ranks high in search results.
Thank you. I appreciate your support and your videos!
Great video to get people critically thinking! It’s an important aspect of the buying process to weigh your usage (needs) against your wants. Actually sitting down and doing the math on payload/towing capacity like this can save a lot of headaches, and sometimes money! Both are great motors, but choosing the right one for your application makes all the difference! Beautiful truck, by the way!
Thank you. Sorry for the late response (a year later) I agree with you.
Great video. Just what I needed at this time.
Glad it helps. Thanks for watching!
You win the Nobel prize in Truck Sciences
😂😂😂 thanks my friend!
Thanks for the info. It’s helping me a ton on figuring out what to buy. I want to stay with a 1500. Simply because I like the newer look and new features just a little bit better. I might need to go to a 2500 depending on the Grand Design we end up picking. All these numbers are getting overwhelming after a while. Your videos make it that much easier.
I'm glad it helps. I know exactly what you mean! Had the same dilemma and thoughts as you. Let me know how it goes!
We just went through changing our 2013 1500 Laramie to a 2021 2500 Big Horn 6.4 this Spring to tow our 7200 lb (GW) 34’ Kodiak TT. I really wanted to stay with the 1500 for several reasons, but was finally convinced to make the switch when we were thrown into the other lane by a gust of wind on a highway. The 5.7 wasn’t the issue, it really was the trailer length (and how cross winds affect it). We have several family members that are ranchers and drive 3500/diesels, and I definitely didn’t want to drive those on a regular basis (mostly because of the ride quality of the 3500 vs 1500). The 2500 splits the difference, with the multi-link rear suspension. It rides really well on most roads. And the 6.4 (uses 87 octane by the way) with the 8 speed and 3.73 rear has plenty of power for what we need. I agree that the diesel (among other cons) is overkill for the extra $8-9k it would cost. However - the trade off is the mileage. I’m averaging about 12-13mpg driving around our town (which, has slow speed limits of 40kmh, and lots of stop and go), and more impressively as good as 19mpg on a recent 200km highway only trip (12.3 l/100kms is what my screen showed, at around 105-115kmh). We figured it was going to cost (in Canada) an extra $700-800/year to go the average 12,000kms (8,000 miles?) I drive the truck. Otherwise, I’m super happy I made the switch. The 2500 is way better at towing (the steering doesn’t get “light” the way it did on the 1500). Great video BTW. There’s a lot of us I think that have TT that are borderline too much for a 1/2 ton on a regular basis, but the other pros of having a 1/2 ton keep us from moving to a HD truck.
The 1500/150 series is loaded with crap to draw people in but the truth is you'd be better off getting an suv over the 1500 series. One of my buddies is cursing the ram name right now and I keep trying to explain to him that he's actually just cursing the 1500 series because no matter what brand you go for the truck with the most recalls and overall problem will be with those trucks just look up 2021 1500 recalls vs 2021 2500 recalls
@@IntothewestOkotoks this is a great assessment. Very well put. I appreciate you adding value! I am with you that while my 2500 is awesome (especially while towing) I do miss the everyday life ability of the 1/2 ton that you lose by switching to am HD truck
I have the crew cab 2500 with 6.4 motor and bed. 2018 model 18,000 miles. Use it for hunting trips, hauling my brute force ATV and other stuff. getting gas mileage as good or better than chev 5.3 gas motor. Very reliable truck. That ATV is 700 pds. With 17-18 mpg.nothing to complain about at all.
Great video, I applaud your attention to details, and over all us of the Truck. I was so set on the 2500hd Cummins, BUT, now Im 75 % leaning to the gasser. Thank you.
I love my 2020 Ram 2500 6.4 hemi, CC, LB, 4X4, 4.10 gears. It's been a great truck. I can get 18 mpg on the freeway at 70 mph. No need for mid grade or premium fuel it didn't improve my performance or milage.
The 3500 is a great option aswell. Just check your states tax laws. Some states severely punish the 1 ton over the 3/4 ton on a tax basis. Could be upwards of twice the annual registration
Excellent video. Great points to consider. Thank you sir and good luck with your truck.
Thank you sir
Just ordered a 2022 2500Crew 4x4 Long Bed for the exact reasons you spelled out in the video.
Thank you! We’re looking at buying a new truck, the local dealer only has diesels in the 2500 and I would prefer the gas hemi.
Thanks for watching. I'm glad it helps! Good luck! Would love to see what you end up getting!
Awesome video. First time viewer and now subscribed.
Thank you for watching and for your support!
I know fuel prices fluctuate but in most cycles the Deisel costs more per Gallon than Gas further slowing your ROI in addition to the 10K upgrade costs and interest. in addition to the Diesels higher Maintenace costs.
I have a ‘19 limited crew 2500 Ram with the Hemi. 61000 miles pulling a closed utility 20ft trailer 5-7 days a week with hills, interstate/city/highway mixed. Put 50000 miles in it in 2 years. Being in NH I didn’t want to wanna about engine block heaters and hard cold starts as I get up at 1am to pull my load up that can get up to 6500 lbs in the trailer being a combined weight of just under 10000 on a rare occasion. Most days load is around 4000 lbs give or take 500. It manages it well I think … yea does run the rpms and fuel economy drops down to 5mpg up grades for me with all terrain tires. Minimum ‘89 plus but dabble in 91 non ethanol from time to time does make a difference but like running a diesel sometimes the cost on the fuel isn’t necessary. Only issue I have had was new UJoint /tie rods at 55k chalking that up to the line of work I’m in and the road salt. Wanted a Ford Tremor but can’t afford it and GM product my buddies like the comfort but I know 3 guys that didn’t even make it 2 years and that needed new transmissions and yes they were the quote un-quote Allison’s. For the price overall been happy with the reliability and performance this far though recognize is subjective to where you live as well and what your needs are. Don’t forget more expensive the value of the truck as well with the diesels the more insurance, property/registration is also going to be as well
Just came across this video. I have been debating the same engine choices. I will be towing a travel trailer from time to time, but not regularly.
Was leaning towards a 2500 or 3500 gas engine, because this will also be my daily driver. Really believe the 6.4 Hemi will be enough to do what I want to.
Also appreciate that you don’t talk just to hear yourself talk. You have the info and get it to your viewer without droning on.
Thanks for the info.
Sorry for the late response. I appreciate you watching and your support. Did you ever make a decision on which way you want to go?
@@liveyourfree no problem.
I am going gas. Waiting for the 2023 Rebel 2500 to hit the dealer near me. Built one on Ram Builder, spec out the way I wanted.
@@rickyhawkins7407 that's awesome. Congrats!
Great video, that's why I went with a gas Tradesman. I needed the payload. 3100 pounds of payload.
Thank you. You have plenty of wiggle room for different options with that payload. Makes total sense!
Great vid. This is a great pro con video for the diesel/gas debate. Also look at general user maintenance like oil changes between the two. Diesels cost more at the same interval as the gas. I’m looking at a 3500 with a hemi. And for long term (after warranted) maintenance such as after treatment and engine, are expensive on diesel compared to gas. If an injector goes on my hemi I can replace it with basic hand tool on the side rod the road with a diesel you will be taking it to a shop. Turbos are expensive.
All great points. Totally agree
Upgrading to 5th wheel. I have 2020 ram 2500, not towing, 12 mpg. Brother has diesel, 19 to 21 but 13 towing 16k trailer.
Thats some good fuel economy
Would love to hear an update on how you like your 2500 gas engine truck now after living with it for a while.
Literally have it planned to be done this week. Gotcha covered
The cost of maintenance is vastly different between the 2 engines as well. Between the oil changes , required air filters and fuel filters it adds up on the Diesel.
I agree. It's definitely a cost to play with the diesel
Why even worry about maintenance if you can’t afford it don’t buy it you already know what you getting into when you’re buying a diesel
Great information and analysis. Thank you. My only concern with the gas engine is range. Last I checked the tanks are the same capacity. The extra fuel mileage of the diesel provides an extra 100-150 miles on a fill-up.
Thank you. You are definitely correct on the range. There is a difference in the range. We towed our travel trailer cross country this past summer and we were filling up about every 180-220 miles (depending on wind/terrain). In 16 days total we spent over $3k in fuel. We did the math and planned for it but geesh it was still a lot. It worked out because it was helpful to get out and stretch our legs at about the 3-3.5 hr mark (especially with younger kids). The rate of stopping was much higher than what I typically would do on a road trip without towing the trailer though
@@liveyourfree Thank you for the reply.
I would bring at least 1 5 gallon can with me just in case.
@@richr2310 You are right. I keep one in the bed of the truck at all times
Excellent information thank you , I'm in a 2020 1500 Ram now with a 25 foot camper and getting ready to upgrade my truck and camper... I'm looking at the Cougar 290 RLS fifth wheel with the pin weight at 1,805 and dry weight 8800 lbs . The decision is exactly what your talking about , it's either a 2500 gas or a 3500 diesel ...But I don't need a Maga cab because it's just my girlfriend and I . I'm leaning on the 3500 diesel fir the power and resale later , gas is cheaper up front and fuel so it's a tough decision . 😳
Great video. I am pretty torn about stepping up to a 2500 hemi from my 1500. I def don’t need the Diesel engine. You bring up some great points, thanks again
Thank you. Hoping you get a good deal on whichever way you choose to go!
Good job. Explained it all very well. Thanks.
Thank you and thanks for watching.
Good points, its a matter of preference at the end of the day but diesel is not for everyone. but another thing to consider is gas prices. they are going up, but diesel will at some point be the same or cheaper as prices go up. history will repeat itself. but the other thing he said is correct too, if u like diesel, think 3500, where everything is beefier and greater payload.
Great vid man and straight to the point. I was just talking to my wife about this yesterday and boom💥 here vid to break it down for me. I love my Ram 1500 but the 2500 is a much needed upgrade with our AC business now.
Thank you my friend. I'm really glad this helped. I totally get what you are saying. I loved 1500 but had to move up once some things changed to where I could no longer safely tow what I needed within limits. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. Let me know how your truck purchase goes!
Well spoken and spot on video. Thank you.
Thank you and thanks for watching
Straight to point clear and concise...thums up
Thank you
I have a new 5th wheel that is 10k GVWR. I think the hemi will do fine. I am going to order the 2023 model year.
Nice! Are you thinking the 2500 with the hemi or the 3500?
@@liveyourfree I currently have a 2020 ram 1500 with a hemi. I will trade it in for the 2500. I guess next year the 2500 will get an update.
Excellent video. I'm currently deciding between the 2 myself. I'm leaning towards the diesel because of the range. I've looked into aftermarket ways to make the mpg even better than stock and there seems ro be a lot of options out there. I'll do the same for the gasser. Your financial analysis is great food for thought as well. I planned on dropping a lot down so that would make the "financing" even as far as money goes. I wonder if that'll shake it out even more. Especially with the price of petro today. Great video!
Thank you! Definitely go with your gut on how it will best work for your use and lifestyle of the truck. Let me know what you go with please. Would be awesome to see how you end up. I appreciate you watching and your comment!
Great video and I agree with everything you said. This is why I have a 1500 and not a 2500. I “want” a 3500 but don’t “need” it so I went for economics and bought a less expensive but gorgeous half ton that can do more than what I even use it for.
Thanks! That makes perfect sense. Believe me, if I could still do everything I needed to do with my half ton, I would still have it. I really enjoy the 2500 and am thankful for it but using it for everyday life items is no where near as convenient as it was with a half ton.
Not to mention front suspension wearing out. My FIL has the diesel, I have the 6.4, both 2018, his sits over an inch lower in the front. He got a leveling kit. I didn't have to. Suspension is the same on both trucks. Which is crazy ...should have stiffer front springs as well as sturdier bushings.
That's a great point I haven't thought of. It makes perfect sense though with the diesel engine being so much heavier than the gas
the value retention on the gas truck plummets once your over 125k miles. where as the diesel stays strong out to 200k+
Also no def fluid needed on a gasser. I’ve also heard there’s a lot of issue with the regeneration systems.
I haul all the time. 2022 ram 2500 hemi. Tow between 6k to 13 k all day long. In 3 month I have tow 27k and truck runs amazing. Saved so much on maintenance by far.next truck will be a 6.4. I have save so much on just Def alone.
This is helpful to know. I was just thinking about exactly what you just said not even an hour ago. What mpg do you get towing 10k plus?
I'm just like you, love both engines. Looking to upgrade from my 19 rebel for more payload. Just putting it out there for the guys that WANT to have the diesel but really only need payload capacity, it is quite literally a $75 difference(yes, $75) between a 2500 and 3500(based off Ram's website).
Thanks for making this video..I have been going back and forth about the gas or diesel for a couple months now..I'm still stuck on two things ..longevity of the motor..diesels could go 500k+ if you take care of them and resale value. Thanks for taking time to make the video.
You're welcome and thank you for watching. I totally get where you are coming from. I would recommend leaning on how long you plan on having it and how you will use it. In my situation, I don't see myself keeping any vehicle that long but that's only because I'm not in the position where I will use it in a way that I need to keep it that long. One thing to keep in mind is the difference in the cost of maintenance between the two. The maintenance is higher on the diesel but like you said, the resale value is higher. It could end up being a profit, a loss, or a wash. I wish you the best on what you decide. My hope is that you are happy with whichever one you choose!
Can they tho? It depends on what you include in the “longevity” category, DPF? NOx sensors? DEF system, including the heater, injectors? EGR? Turbo? HPFP? Etc? Sure the block will likely last 500k but will all the other components? I personally don’t consider it a 500k engine if these other parts don’t last as long as the block… just food for thought, and let’s be open about everything. A fas block can be had for just the diesel injectors alone. I do love the pull and sound of the diesels tho!
Thanks JC. There definitely seems like alot more to keep a diesel running..I admittedly dont know much about them but as I look more at them especially because I wont really be hauling anything crazy heavy when you take everything into consideration the hemi with the 8 Spd is probably the way to go. Thanks again for the input.
@@jc7435 you're dropping knowledge my friend. You put it much better than I could have 😂. Thanks for adding value!
I spent the month of July pulling the exact same camper you have around the mountains of the western United States. I was pulling with a 201 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi that I purchased new. All of my payloads were below capacity. Honestly, the truck struggled up and down grade and averaged 8.3 mpg over 4500 miles. I got home and traded it in for a 2021 Ram 3500 HO Cummins with the Aisen transmission. While I agree with some of your opinions on the differences between gas and diesel truck ownership, It is of my opinion that if you can afford the initial cost difference, do it. They are not even in the same category for towing and reliability. I am getting just over 6 mpg better in the Cummins currently in all around driving. Where I live regular gas and diesel are almost the same price. Per Ram recommendation, I ran mid grade gas over the lowest grade, which cost about 20 cents more than diesel in my area. Maybe these newer Ram Hemis are a better truck than the 2015 model? Maybe not. I just know from experience that it is nowhere close to the capabilities of the Cummins model. Love your video and keep them coming...
I hear where you are coming from and definitely agree it's no comparison between the 6.4 hemi and the HO Cummins. They are two different worlds for sure. The HEMIs are designed to Rev higher especially with Tow Haul mode. I haven't felt like I was lacking the guts in the truck to do any job I needed with the exception of going over the Ike gauntlet in Colorado. The truck struggled big time on that stretch. I think any gas engine would struggle on that pass primarily because of the elevation. I definitely think the diesel is needed if you are towing on that terrain on regular. I am happy with the 6.4 overall (minus the gas mileage like you mentioned) but the 3500 like you have would be my choice if I was to go with the diesel. I absolutely would not get it in a 2500. I thought maybe that was just a RAM issue but I looked at my neighbors 2500 HD high country Duramax and his payload was only 1700lbs! That would not work nearly as well for towing the travel trailer or 5th wheel. I am with you though, the diesels power is unmatched compared to the gas. I really appreciate you watching and for your comoment my friend!
@@liveyourfree overall, I loved my 6.4 2500. It was a great truck. The trade in value wasn't much less than what I paid for it in 2015. That alone made the decision to trade up much easier. My new 3500 is the Tradesman package, so the cost was still very reasonable in my opinion. With my trade in and some negotiating, I was able to get into the new truck for $30K. It's worth every penny in my opinion.
I currently own a 2006 Ram 1500 quad cab hemi 4x4 with 3.92 gears and every time I tow my Jayco 23rb travel trailer I regret selling my high output 2003 Ram 2500 Cummins. In fairness, I do live at high altitude and there is no comparison. The Hemi has been reliable though.
GREAT VIDEO , THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.GAS IT IS.
THANKS 👍🙏
I think the return on investment makes sense if you’re shopping for a base level work truck, but if you’re buying a limited model or the top trim level, it’s ultimately going to come down to other factors than money. 10k more upfront hits a lot harder on a 35k truck than an 85k truck. The payload part makes sense and maintenance headaches from the diesel make sense though.
I think you make a fair point. Well stated my friend
Well done and articulated. Some people out there really had better know just what they are buying into. It really pays off to know just exactly how a diesel engine functions with all of its ups and downs, along with a v-8 gasser and there is a BIG difference to stop and consider for sure. Do your homework.
Thank you and agreed
I have 2013 Dodge Ram 2500 5.7 Hemi Big Horn. And I just sold my 2006 Dodge Ram 2500. I bought new and sold it with 229670 miles on it. And it still ran like the day I bought it. But what I’m getting at is I’m looking for another Dodge this time diesel and I’ve been going back and forth either another 2500 or a 3500. But I think this video made my mind up a 3500 is what’s next. Thanks
Great breakdown, thanks!
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
Have thought about ordering a 2500 with the hemi because the toy hauler I want loaded doesn’t weight more than 12k and since I don’t tow every day or every weekend the diesel would just be extra money spent for no reason.
Do you have the link to look up your truck specs. I have done the fcacommunity link but all it shows are the options - nothing about rear axle or payload
Great video. I have a 2020 F250 platinum powerstroke. The value for resale is very high actually over the price I paid for the truck. Diesels hold 5heir value because they are expected to run 500k miles and so on. I think its preference. MegaCab is a sharp truck congrats to you!
Thank you my friend. That f250 platinum is a nice truck. If I go Ford, that's what I've always said I would get although depending on payload it may be a F350.
Spot on. I had a 1500 Rebel that had 1462 payload and upgraded to a 2500 hemi and the payload is just under 3k. Much safer to tow my travel trailer and can still put other things in the bed without any worry of payload issues.
Great video. I was fortunate I was able to buy my ‘2020 tradesman level 2 Crewcab with with the Diesel engine last year for a very good price($48,500). If I was buying one again, I would get the hemi option in a 3500.
That's a great price! I personally think you have the best setup of purchasing a 2500 with the diesel engine. Getting the 3500 with the hemi would definitely give you the best payload number. I have never driven a 3500 with the hemi. I wonder how it rides/pulls
That wasn't a good price, it was a great price.
I love the diesel power and longevity, but I went gas in my 2019 2500. The price, cheaper fuel “where I live”, lack of emitions restrictions, and modern capability of gas trucks are all my reasons. And I won’t lie and say the hemi pulls like a Cummins. But the hemi is a hoss in its own right. My 2019 with the 8speed and a 4.10 pulls my dump trailer loaded down “15k lbs” with ease.
I agree with you 100%. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment!
15,000 lbs.? That is a lot for these trucks, I got a 2017 with the 6.4 and 4.10 gears but not the 8 speed transmission which I think is a significant factor. I plan on getting a fifth wheel hopefully soon and I think 9000lbs dry and no more than 11,000 fully loaded will be plenty for mine.
@@richr2310 should work out fine 👍, and if your ever wanting a little more power, a cold air intake and exhaust go a long way on this truck. You gotta let the hemi breath and the stock air boxes on these are crap. Especially on the pre 2019 models that didn’t have a ram air system.
excellent comparison.....
Thank you
I have a 2021 Chevy Trail Boss and thinking of switching to a diesel. Either the at4 or the Ram 2400 Laramie night edition! I won’t be hauling anything, just all my work equipment and well I travel a lot for work! So I just won’t something with great fuel economy! I know diesels are better but I do have to pay extra for it and idk if it’s worth it 😭😭 then again If i get diesel, the Dig crew can always fuel me up 😁😁
Sounds like you have a big choice to make brother. I would say Keep working to consider all the pros and cons to the gas and the diesel. Ask yourself, how are you going to use the truck? How many miles will you be driving in a year? How much are you able to budget for maintenance, and really is the additional power of a diesel important enough to YOU to spend the extra money. If it is and you can accept the extra cost then I say go for it. Everyone will have an opinion that reflects their own preferences. Get the one that makes the most sense for YOUR situation and that YOU will be all around happy with. I am interested in seeing what you decide!
@@liveyourfree well To be honest I always wanted a diesel and a truck that gives me more fuel range. I can afford one too. I will be driving it a lot. And maybe later I will have to be hauling a camper. And like I said, I won’t have to be paying for diesel much since the people I work with will be fueling me up some times so that’s a plus for me. I know maintenance on a diesel is more expensive but Like you said, If i can afford it then go for it and it will make me happy lol also, my next truck will have 360 view, leather seats and sun roof and all the good stuff. But yes, people will have their opinions and they have the right to do so. Lol
@@xtRag3dYx I understand good brother
Great video, thanks. “Depends on how you use it” = exactly…….we tow an 11,000lb tailer with about another 1,500 lbs of hitch weight and cargo. A 2500 RAM long bed with camper shell to secure the gear. The result is a smooth and stable ride and the diesel gives the mileage and torque numbers needed as were towing constantly in the rockies.
Sounds like you have the right setup to maximize what you are doing ! Happy camping and stay safe!
Wassup bro, good to see another video from you! Its all about give and take when choosing your truck. Just under 1k lbs is alot of extra payload. Aside from payload, if you hunt shotgun season chances are there are some pretty narly mudholes to go through gettin to the spots and gas engines are gonna perform much better in those situations. Being able to rev much quicker and higher cant be replaced offroad imho! Cant wait to see it with the new addition uve made...be safe and enjoy til then bro!!
I completely agree with you good brother. I think you are spot on about getting through the mud holes on the way to the spots. I'm definitely looking forward to the season and testing it out! Thanks for watching and your support!
@@liveyourfree i know you are! Its gonna be crazy seeing that big beast gettin down offroad! Just back from a trip up to the mountains of northern PA and saw some nice looking bucks up there! I didnt take my shotgun with me but i will when we go back in September. Even saw a few albino deer..a buck and a few dough's. First saw those up there 2 years ago and was amazed! Had a lil more bounce in the rear than i wanted towing the camper this trip on these horrible roadways so hopefully this week i can install the Carli upper shock mounts and get my 2nd adjustable shock put on so i can tighten them up. Also, i have my first set of sumosprings on the way. Looking forward to testing the difference when its done 💪🏽
@@wellthatdidntwork sorry for the late reply. I just realized I completely missed this post. Now that we are in September it's game time! How's your truck working out for you now with the new mods?
@@liveyourfree not a problem at all!! I saw my local farmers with the combines out the other day. I got a chance to ride in one myself for the first time during my trip as well. The new mods are great. Funny story, i actually planned to do it one saturday and the truck is so big it wont fit under anything while its jacked up and it was absolutely pouring rain all day. I grabbed my lil pop up tent and got to work! I was too soaked and tired for a test drive right after but i do notice a half inch increase in unloaded stance (i used the included spacers) and the ride is still very close to stock unloaded. Gonna tow with it soon. We were gonna hit chippokes state park this weekend but theres rain in the forecast so we may wait. Cant wait to see how it tows. If its too stiff i can always remove the spacer
I agree with you plus with the new emissions and additives it's very expensive flipside you will definitely get your 10 g's back on resale and diesel will last 150k longer. I'm still buy a gasser next.
Great information, thank you it’s help me sort out what Model to buy.
This video was great! Made me think a lot about trucks in general. My 2016 Silverado 1500 Crew Cab 4x4 payload is 1635 lbs. My gas mileage while towing my 2021 GD Imagine 2500RL is 11 to 13 mpg on the straits. I used to have a diesel 1998 Dodge 2500 the best diesel on the market. I have researched the new diesels using Def they are not holding up like the old ones. We would get 400,000 miles on an old diesel can the new diesels do that? I don’t think so. I am sticking to gas!! Thanks
Thank you! I really enjoy the 2500 but I do miss my 1500 from time to time when not towing and from an everyday life perspective. Life happened with a family member's health and it took me out of the position of being able to stay under the 1407lb payload. That is great gas mileage you're getting while towing. They don't make vehicles like they used to, that's for sure! Be blessed!
Keep in mind that if you drop down your trim package that you would get a lil more payload for instance the 2500hd Big horn has more payload then the higher trim package limited and yes they both gasser
This is very true. The extra equipment in each trim you select adds extra weight. That was specifically why I made that statement about having the limited in the video. You are spot on. It's also important to remember that if one drops down the trim level, they will lose a lot of the luxury options they enjoy. For many, that's not an option they are interested in exploring. For others it's not a big deal at all. I guess it all cones down to personal preference. Thanks for watching and your input!
@@liveyourfree right that how I feel and I wanted more payload that why I went with the big horn and I did the whole Luxury thing on my Durango and did not use 80% of the stuff I said never again and for the price
@@gardnetbush9768 I gotcha my friend
My 2500 also has 6.4 L Hemi option. NO Cummins option in mine since I went with the Power Wagon.
Does everything I need to do.
Owned 3 diesels, don't need any them anymore.
Nice. If it works for your needs then I sat you are winning. How does the power wagon do off road? If never driven one off road
That's a great video man, I have a 2021 tradesman 6.4 hemi crew cab 4x4 and it's an awesome truck except for one thing and it's ride is rough as hell (maybe I got a lemon or something) next to my 19 but I still love it because I get anywhere from 12 mpg on an all city tank or 14.5-15.5 mixed driving and I only got about 18 in mixed driving with my 1500, I will take that all day every day for the added capability, pulls great to me but I've never had a diesel to compare it to, and the resale value seems to be alot better than the 1/2 tons as well, in my area I see people asking more for my type of 2509 used than what I paid for it brand new
Thanks brother. Sorry for the late reply. I'm just seeing i missed a few comments. I agree with you about the rough ride. I test drove a Laramie while getting an oil change and hated it. I later tested drove a 2500 with air suspension and it was a completely different riding experience. That's what sold me to get it. It ALMOST rides like a half ton. The bad thing about the limited is that I am carrying around extra weight from the features and it makes it rougher on city driving for me. Highway isn't bad but you can definitely make money off of them right now. I appreciate you watching!
@@liveyourfree you are welcome
Great job brother, I
did a spread sheet just for this. The other issue people don’t think of is the 100,000 miles of maintenance. Here is it if you follow the manual for each truck. Below are just the scheduled maintenance if you took it to the dealer. Yes some backyard mechanic will say I can do it for less, (this is not for you)
Ram diesel $15,482 (100k maintenance)
Ram 6.4 $3,142 (100k maintenance)
Remember these numbers are dealer services not you buying Walmart oil and filters and draining the tranny at 30k
This is a great point. Thank you for adding real value. This is something people should really consider
Well said. Another point about diesel fuel economy which I always hear so much about. Indeed it is much better than gas when unloaded. But towing is pretty much the same as gas. I see a lot of diesel guys on UA-cam getting around 8mpg towing their rigs. That's about what I get. Yes, a diesel would go faster, but...is that really necessary? My 3/4 ton gasser got up an 8% grade@70mph with my 7800 pound TT, me & my wife and a months worth of camp supplies. The truck yelled & screamed lol, but it did it!
And about re-sale, yes they sell for more years down the road, but they cost more upfront. So is it that the value has increased in time over the gas, or are you just getting back that higher initial investment? I think the latter, but hey...just my two cents!
This response is gold. Perfectly stated especially for the casual use many will use their truck is for (RV trip, move a 8k-12k load every now and then). Anyone doing more than that and must have a diesel should be using a 3500 anyway. Thanks for adding value with your comment!
I also chose the Hemi when I ordered my 2500 Limited MegaCab. Also went with the 4.10 rear end which kicks up towing to over 16k. Another item of note on the modern diesel is the impact of the emissions control features they now have to put on. If you let your diesel truck sit for periods of time or only use it around town when not towing you will most likely run into regen issues. Diesels (and the Cummins is a great one) are fantastic if you tow heavy and often. But if not, you're going to burn through DEF and could run into some expensive maintenance issues. Not saying not to get a diesel, just be aware of what you are actually getting into.
This is good wisdom right here my friend. I'm with you. I believe the diesel has too many aspects to contend with in some ways. If I was to make a change on my truck it would have been to get the 4.10 rear end. The 3.73 works for what i need but the 4.10 wouldn't hurt. Thanks for adding value to this thread.
not what i am seeing with my trucks
On paper that truck is rated for 16k, yes. However, in the real world it's a total pig on anything north of 10k. I'm in Florida and tow everyday. Drove from Tampa to Orlando to pick up a mini skid and brought it back in a 16 foot dump trailer, right at 10k. It was that trip that I was fed up with the 6.4! If your towing 14-16k with the 6.4, you know that truck is screaming with that kind of a load. Now I've got a 21 Cummins Laramie cc, now that's a towing machine and It also feels much safer towing! One word, exhaust brake!
@@justpalms9978 Valid point. I would have pegged it at anything north of 12k. But you're absolutely right, towing heavy means diesel. As my TT maxes out at just under 9k the big Hemi works great.
I've never ran into this, high idle and using tow mode through town without a trailer most of the time, no regen issues/def issues. If you have a problem and its out of warranty, just let stuff fall off.
That said you can't beat the pre emission ones in terms of reliability.
Ok that extra 900 lbs can be used to carry 4 full sized adults, along with the travel trailer you can tow! If I were to buy a new HD/SD truck? I consider looking at either of the Chevy,Ram or Ford, with the gas engines, the Ford does offer the Godzilla V8, with crazy power that might sway my mind, if the price is reasonable.
Exactly!
I travel for work 70-130 miles a day, & haul a mini excavator. That’s why I went with Diesel. Also average 21.7 mpg at 65-67 mph on highway. Mileage & power !
I get it. The way you use it for work, the distance, and the frequency you use it makes sense for a diesel. It makes sense and you realize how you need to use it!
You can do a delete on your truck and raise it to a thousand horsepower
Yeah my 2022 tradesman has almost 3200 payload and over 17,000 towing. 6.4 with 4:10 rear. I’ve been a life long diesel guy but I really can’t stand what they’ve done to the new ones sure they pull but def………dpf filters…….. lower gas miles than the older ones. Plus my original diesel was a 7.3 power stroke, which had 350 hp and 550 lb ft of torque i actually think the new 6.4 with the 4:10 arguably tows better than that one did. I don’t regret going gasser yet at all. Just towed about 15,000 with it. No problem. And daily towing about 12,000
Nice! Gosh 3200 payload is such a great option to have
Would you be able to put the link to review that spec with the VIN
I just traded in my 2018 6.4 2500 Ram on a 2021 F-350 7.3 Godzilla, 4.30 geared truck 10 speed . It can gooseneck 20K Lbs . It’s got more towing than I’ll need & believe it or not gets better MPG’s than my Ram Also & none of the diesel nonsense. Luv it so far ! Trade in was through the roof on my Ram too!
That is awesome! How in the world did you even find one??? 4.30 gears with the 7.3 seems like it's a great pair. How much is your payload?
@@liveyourfree 4100 I believe I had to go to NH to get it in April .
Thank you so much for the Easter Egg. I've been searching through forum's, watching video's and looking at carfax stickers. You are the first to mention the Vin# look up! THANK YOU...like others, it will be a 6.4L for me.
Also, when you factor in DEF/Diesel cost per mile, maintenance costs, you may never break even with long term ownership. Resale are equal parts to initial costs.
So do you have that same "squeal" from the 6.4 as so many people complain about? It sounds like a belt squealing in the motor but apparently its from an unknown source and not a belt- and its been complained about for several years on the 6.4L HD. I went and looked at 6.4L 2500's tonight, all new 2021 Laramies and all of them had the same squeal from the motor. I liked the truck, until I started each one and they sounded like an old worn out car.
Yup its there and I hate it. Crazy thing is I don't even remember hearing it until about a week after owning it. I talk about it in this video ua-cam.com/video/yfVsIApzfFo/v-deo.html
Excellent content. Thanks!
Thank you and thanks for watching!
Great video my friend.
Thank you!
gearing matters in towing numbers also 3.73 vs 4.10
You are absolutely correct
I had a Toyota Tundra and also just purchased a Grand Design 22MLE. Fully loaded it’s about 7,000lbs. But the problem with the Tundra is the payload, only about 1,200lbs. If I was a weekend traveler it might of worked, but I’m retired and planning to travel the country. Also, want to add kayaks we just purchased and maybe a generator etc… Don’t get me wrong, I loved the Tundra. I could tell the payload was a problem for the Tundra and just didn’t feel safe. So after a lot of thought I purchased a Ram Tradesmen with a few nice upgrades and will do several more on my own. Payload of my new Ram is 3124, with max towing of 17,000K. We are currently traveling the California, Oregon and Washington coast for the next month, I can already say I made the right decision in purchasing the Ram. The difference in towing is amazing, my wife as the passenger says she can fill the difference in power and stability. So this guy has it right on with his assessment. Great advice and video. Keep it up!!
Thank you and congrats on the travel trailer and upgrade on the truck. Safe travels and enjoy that well earned retirement. Also 3124lbs if payload is huge!
Had the same. Both truck and trailer but ended up getting the diesel. I haven’t towed with it yet but retiring soon and will travel full time.
@@estarr2243 nice! Would really be interested in learning what you think about it once you tow. Congrats on the upcoming retirement. I'm sure it's well earned.
I recently purchased a new gas 2500 Ram. The reason instead of diesel was the payload difference almost an extra thousand pounds. Plus I didn't need the extra 2000 lbs of towing. The slightly higher cost of diesel even means with better fuel economy it would take forever for the diesel to catch up with the gas engine. I was told 9800 dollars to upgrade to diesel and a website online comparing mpg difference was that the diesel performed by about 2-3mpg better in the city but performs a little less on the highway than the gas. From a cost point, I don't think you could ever make the money back and if you want more towing capacity I would say just go with the 3500 Ram.
Agrees
Can a 2019 2500 tradesmen long bed, pull 14,000 pounds? I’m looking for a truck strong enough to pull dump trailer. Dump trailer is 4,000 pounds with a 10,000 pound limit. So 14,000 pounds total.
From your old 1/2 ton compared to my 21 ford 150 I have about 500 more pounds payload with pretty close towing capacity. Must be the coil spring vs leaf springs is the difference. That trucks are both 4x4 crew cabs, I have the 3.5 eco boost though, but I can’t see where that would make a 500 pound difference between it and the 5.7 hemi or I’m wrong…? I still prefer my 3/4 ton diesel over a gas burner for towing any day. Still good information and vid👍🏻
Thanks for watching my friend. It comes down to the frames. The all aluminum frame weighs much less than the RAM frame. Ford has the best payload by far. The diesel will definitely do better towing. No one can ever debate that for sure
Good video. My 2020 RAM 2500 Limited is 2014 lbs payload with a Cummings. I agree you have to know what are you going to use it for? I’ve just always wanted a diesel and I love the Limited’s features, great quality! It’s my retirement gift to me!
Thank you. First of all, congrats on retirement! With that as a gift, it sounds like it was well earned! I think RAM overall is weak on payload. I'm with you. I really enjoy the features of the limited as well. Thanks for watching and enjoy retirement!
Good job!!
Thank you
Good stuff! Thanks for the info!
Thank you and thanks for watching!
That makes alot of sense 😊
Tow and payload chart will tell you a lot. Up to 4100 lb payload on regular cab 2500 hemi. With 410 gears it’s 24k GCVWR. That’s a lot of weight!.
That is a lot of weight!
Do you have to use premium fuel ⛽️ or regular
Awesome information
Very well said , it puts things into perspective that RV dealers and probably most car dealers won’t tell you.
Do you notice a big gain in towing with a 6.4 liter over the 5.7?
Thank you. I agree. It's definitely helpful to know that info before going to a dealer. I noticed a gain from the stability and control perspective. Power wise I thought the 5.7 with 3.92 gears was faster at getting up to speed faster than the 6.4. In all fairness, the 6.4 does have a couple thousand pounds more to move than the 5.7 does. It's a give and take for sure. I am very happy with the 6.4. I would do everything the exact same way again in getting the 6.4 if I had to do it all over again.
Depends...what axle gear ratio is in your 2500. If it's the standard 3.73 then yes, not as quick. If you upgraded to 4.10 then the 2500 is likely quicker...and can tow heavier.
@@billbillinger2491 that is fair. Can't argue with that. I haven't driven it with the 4.10 gear ratio so I can't speak to it from experience. Thanks for adding value!
I debated back and forth whether I should get the diesel or 6.4 and after taking it cross country it was a no brainer it tows like a beast and I get 11 mph more than my 2015 ram with the hemi
Yeah the payload on my 2020 ram 3500 is 7000 cause gvwr is 14,000 and I can also pull a damn house I love it for my work and daily but this is very informative for the 2500
Thank you my friend
Great video I have been going back and forth but it’s true what will you use it for the most.. Nice truck by the way👍
Thank you. Good luck on your choice! They both have their pros and cons for sure
Hemi 6.4 scares me , they all have top end rap at startup when cold
You know what? I noticed that too! You are the first person I have come across to acknowledge that. It does rev extremely high when you first cut it on. I don't know if it is a problem as much as it may be the way they were designed to rev. You've got me really thinking 🤔
What’s ur max tow/haul with your truck ? Would it be the same max with the 4.10 gears or if it was a 3500? Thanks!
My max is 14k lbs. It would go up with the 4.10 gears and/or if it was a 3500 because the payload rating would be able to handle more hitch/pin weight
@@liveyourfree thanks for the reply! Is the max on the 3500 megacab also 14k or is the only diff just the payload? Sorry for all these questions
Excellent information. I've been back and forth on this. Gas or diesel? 2500 or 3500? Thanks for sharing.
With the disparity between gas and diesel these days gas is the only way to go. I have a Ram 3500 diesel and I just bought a 2500 6.4l hemi and the savings on fuel, def, and oil changes is making the payment on the new ( used) gasser
You should also do a review with the ford lightning electric truck Roi. Alot of people say diesel/ electric vehicles are better , but for who?
That is the PERFECT question! The "for who" is the part we need to know. You are spot on. If I can ever find one I would love to do a review on it. I personally don't think they are far enough in their development to have a strong roi for how people would want to use them
Daily driver here. No towing worth mentioning. Plenty of payload in my 2022 Laramie 2500 4x4 Hemi. Max payload will likely be less than 1000 pounds, I did drop the tire pressure to 65 psi all around for a bit softer ride. The truck came with air suspension and the 3.73 ratio. MPG is 11-12.
So many guys, especially the younger crowd, get diesels just because it’s the new “cool” thing. The biggest and the baddast even though they don’t have shit to tow lol. Probably even drive it around with the tow mirrors out LOL
😂 ahhh the beauty of the lesson we all eventually had to learn of chasing practical use as opposed to the "cool" tag.