9:05 After star resolves, there is 20 damage marked on Kaalia. When the angel protecting her dies, she looses indestructible, but still has that damage on her. Kaalia should have also died to the star.
Thanks for pointing me out. I didn't know about that. I thought that the damage was kind of prevented when the creature is indestructible ... but no one else at the table figured it out neither.
I would love to have seen a stronger play on the turn where two Kaliaas attacked. Both triggers go on the stack at the same time and the first creature put into play was Rune-Scarred Demon. The demon trigger would resolve before the second Kaliaa trigger so he could have gotten something powerful to put into play for the second Kaliaa trigger. I think there were blockers for a Master or Cruelties, but there had to be something a lot better than a Harvester of Souls.
8:59 Actually, due to wording, Kaalia also dies since the source bestowing it indestructible left, and it still had 20 damage dealt to it. I understand how it was missed though, with all the time travel going on.
2008?? Neither Ghave nor Kaalia was even released then, did you mean 2018? 00:40 Edit: What am I even talking about... your entire channel didn’t exist in 2008
In the last turn of the game, that Maze of Ith activation should have prevented all the combat damage dealt by the creature it targeted, until the end of turn. This means it would not deal any damage on any extra combat steps. Not sure if it would change the outcome of the game, but just a heads up.
hey, quick question at 8:50, when Tom casts star of extinction it kills aggies angle so wouldn't Kalia loose indestructible and die because the damage would stick around from star of extinction until he passes turn?
Skylar's deck may have been less shy if they didn't keep a 2 lander with no mana rocks or ramp, no draw and an 8 CMC, 7 CMC & Two 6 CMC cards. We're they doing a hardmode challenge the rest of the table forgot about?
Hey Muddstah...long time fan. One question: what do you use for lighting? My friends and I made a channel (Wizards of the East Coast) but I'm not happy with the lighting of our games. I tried an LED shop light with pantyhose over it to diffuse (reduce shadow and glare) but it was ineffective. Any recommendations? Or if any fans know what Muddstah uses for lighting?
I don’t know if you guys knew this, but Kalia would have died after the star, with 20 points marked on her still after the Aegis Angel died. 🙄 *sarcasm voice
I like how in turn 8 Billy and Tom kinda played cards that the other would have, namely one commander and the baddest angel in the game Gotta say that Anguished Unmaking was pretty spot on also eheh
I was about to say, How does commander exist in 2008? Then the comment section happened and apparently Future Sight was Future Literal. Also ruling question, even though this is a game filmed two years ago, shouldn't Kaalia be dead after Aegis Angel dies? Star of Extinction should still have 20 damage on Kaalia, regardless of Indestructibility, and then it loses Indestructibility, so it should die if that's the case.
Always good to see Kaalia. I rly don't now how to build her tbh. I guess just putting in the top 10 dragons,demons and angels i suppose? XD There is SO MUCH stuff to choose from! I already got a mono black demon deck, Selesnya angel deck (karametra at the helm) mono red dragon deck with Lathiliss and the Ur-dragon 5c upgraded precon.
So, you find the best ramp and card drawing mechanics you can afford for the deck, then dump a bunch of the most savage demons and angels and dragons in there, don't worry about balancing it though. world gorger combo and extra attacks are all good as well. aside from the fat bombs, make sure the CMC avg is low, oh and run Bola's citadel, it's so busted.
You want the creatues with the best ETBs and static abilities, as well as the ones that give you extra combat steps, so you can get more Kaalia triggers.
Doesn’t Kaalia die? She has indestructible until the angel leaves but when the angel leaves Kaalia still has 20 damage marked on her and dies due to loosing indestructible? Right?
Maze of Ith would of made it so even though Iroas attacked the second combat he would still deal no damage and there would of been another turn for Skylar taking 30 damage ten from each other creature. Although without a wipe it would of been moot.
Actually, Kaalia should've been destroyed by Star of Extinction. The Aegis Angel is gone and she still has 20 damage on her. It's hard to say how much of a difference this would've made in the game, but still...
Everyone except Billy kept an *awful* hand. Romain and Tom got extremely lucky with theirs, but I would've expected what happened to Skylar be the expectation
Casting into the counterspell was debatable, but having her enter off the Kaliaa trigger wouldn’t give him the extra combat. Because she enters attacking she would never be declared as an attacker, which is what is required for her trigger.
Attack triggers only happen when the creature is declared as an attacker, so Aurelia needed to be on the battlefield before the combat phase to get her trigger. As for why he cast Aurelia into the counterspell, he had Animate Dead in his hand, so he probably wanted that counterspell to go to waste and reanimate her later.
Star of Extinction would have killed the original Kalia. It would have the damage marked on it, and then the Aegis Angel dies, and it loses indestructible and dies.
@@nicholasberry8456 true, he has lots of combo potential. Infinite tokens, infinite sacs all that good stuff, I’ve just never seen a ghave deck actually do any of that talk
@@quinnquitars It’s probably because, at least in Muddstah’s videos, they play casually. Ghave infinite combo decks would either be completely hated out or win on the spot, not really fun for anyone.
And, like Rattata, Kaalia may also pack an instant kill moveset: Rattata has the FEAR set (LV1 + Focus Sash + Endeavor + Quick Attack), Kaalia has Master of Cruelties.
@@eliakimrodrigues Blue/Green decks are mostly the same so I don't mind seeing them because literally every simic deck is just Value. Kaalia decks however (since the commander is so busted) is literally a plague and every new player in my region starts with a Kaalia and usually hits people with Master of Cruelties or some other bs ability to basically destroy everyone. I'm not saying it can be competitive but it's just annoying because there's so many Kaalia players.
I don't think I have ever seen a Ghave deck do anything at all on this channel. Not a particularly satisfying watch, Kaalia got to do whatever she wanted and nobody else interacted meaningfully.
Original Kaalia should have died too after the star of extinction. Get your gameplay right. There might be new people playing magic here that watches your vids.
*Apparently 2008 and 2018 are interchangeable in my world.*
Ngl, you had me for a second there.
Corporate wants to know the difference between these two years
I was like "Spring? Amonketh? Did this really happen this long ago?"
Avacyn getting exiled by Anguished Unmaking, and Sorin entering the field two turns later...
F L A V O R
I was just thinking that too. Full of flavor!!
*Chef's kiss*
9:05
After star resolves, there is 20 damage marked on Kaalia. When the angel protecting her dies, she looses indestructible, but still has that damage on her. Kaalia should have also died to the star.
I came to say the same
yup was thinking the same too
Yeah, Billy cheated.
Quite relevant
Thanks for pointing me out. I didn't know about that. I thought that the damage was kind of prevented when the creature is indestructible ... but no one else at the table figured it out neither.
Dat anguished unmaking on Avacyn was the most flavorful play I've seen on this channel so far xD
I was just coming to the comments to say that lol
Love the 2008 edition of the Dromoka playmat!
10:20 This play is 100% accurate to the lore.
It would had being better if it was Avacyn the Purifier but it checks out.
Dude was already winning the "actual game" , didn't need to win the "flavor game" also 😆😆
Skyler doomed himself before the game even began... two lands, no ramp and lots of 6+ CMC? That's a death sentence in potential.
And he didn't use Assassin's Trophy on his enchantment to ramp
@@eliakimrodrigues you can only use Assassin’s Trophy on opponent’s permanents
Yeah, came here to comment what a terrible hand he kept. I knew from the beginning that it wasn’t going to end well for him
Agreed, even mulling to five would have been a better option at least you'd get a chance to get some playable stuff
Was looking for this comment. I was shocked he kept that hand.
it seems strange that skylar would keep an opening hand with 2 lands and 4 cards that cost 6+ mana
Much as this was a fairly grim case of "kaalia goes unchecked and kills everything", casting anguished unmaking on Avacyn is always hot
It's okay, 2018 does feel like it was 12 years ago at this point.
I would love to have seen a stronger play on the turn where two Kaliaas attacked. Both triggers go on the stack at the same time and the first creature put into play was Rune-Scarred Demon. The demon trigger would resolve before the second Kaliaa trigger so he could have gotten something powerful to put into play for the second Kaliaa trigger. I think there were blockers for a Master or Cruelties, but there had to be something a lot better than a Harvester of Souls.
Those opening hand keeps might be some of the worst i've ever seen... Bizarre game lol
Lol true though
A lot of these cards weren't printed in 2008...
I think he meant 2018?
Haha, I meant 2018! Whoops.
@@MTGMuddstah Haha lol i saw the dragonlord playmat and got really confused
Awesome game, I love seeing normal powered decks that play with tapped lands and actually go to combat 😊
This game is why Kaalia is never allowed to survive a whole turn and as soon as she does you need to play Archenemy
Indeed. As soon as i saw that nobody had any removal in their opening hands i knew that Kaalia would win.
8:59
Actually, due to wording, Kaalia also dies since the source bestowing it indestructible left, and it still had 20 damage dealt to it.
I understand how it was missed though, with all the time travel going on.
*angry Kaalia player grunting* I don't understand why everyone targets me im not a threat
MTG Muddstah is a time traveler
Huge fan, been watching for years but this game wins the most lack luster game you've posted. I have never seen so many tapped lands in a game.
2008?? Neither Ghave nor Kaalia was even released then, did you mean 2018? 00:40 Edit: What am I even talking about... your entire channel didn’t exist in 2008
In the last turn of the game, that Maze of Ith activation should have prevented all the combat damage dealt by the creature it targeted, until the end of turn. This means it would not deal any damage on any extra combat steps. Not sure if it would change the outcome of the game, but just a heads up.
I didn't know that Maze of Ith worked like that. RTFC I guess
hey, quick question at 8:50, when Tom casts star of extinction it kills aggies angle so wouldn't Kalia loose indestructible and die because the damage would stick around from star of extinction until he passes turn?
I forgot they future-shifted Regna the Redeemer in Future Sight using actual time travel
Love seeing my babe Kaalia on any channel, but in sheer dominance? That puts a smile on my face.
Kaalia's opening hand was slow, I'm surprised it took over that game that hard.
Damn what a nongame, hopefully they played another one afterwards
We played several games that day, if I recall!
@@MTGMuddstah don't let people keep hands that bad! (Everyone except Billy kept terrible hands) We want everyone to play.
Would you be able to get a deck list posted for billy's khalifa deck ?
Great video as always! Thank you for the work you put into these.
11:07: gisella halves damage to your permanents, so it should be 1, not 4? Otherwhise please let me know what i've missed :)
This is correct
He means: “Sorin” should be downticked by 4 to deal 2 damage..
Skylar's deck may have been less shy if they didn't keep a 2 lander with no mana rocks or ramp, no draw and an 8 CMC, 7 CMC & Two 6 CMC cards. We're they doing a hardmode challenge the rest of the table forgot about?
Hey Muddstah...long time fan. One question: what do you use for lighting? My friends and I made a channel (Wizards of the East Coast) but I'm not happy with the lighting of our games. I tried an LED shop light with pantyhose over it to diffuse (reduce shadow and glare) but it was ineffective. Any recommendations? Or if any fans know what Muddstah uses for lighting?
wow, anguished unmaking being used to kill Avacyn
Even when I'm two states from home I'll take time to watch these great games. My friend just made a kaalia deck and it is mean.
5:22 He should have put Rune-Scarred Demon in first and then put whatever he tutored for into play with the second Kaalia trigger
I don’t know if you guys knew this, but Kalia would have died after the star, with 20 points marked on her still after the Aegis Angel died. 🙄 *sarcasm voice
TLDW: Why Timmy isn't allowed to have fun.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but when Star of Extinction was cast wouldn’t Kalia have died to to damage marked on her once the Aegis Angel died?
I forgot to indicate that I meant the original, nontoken Kalia
Looking for the Kaalia decklist :) great game !
I like how in turn 8 Billy and Tom kinda played cards that the other would have, namely one commander and the baddest angel in the game
Gotta say that Anguished Unmaking was pretty spot on also eheh
Two Kaalia triggers? I love to see it.
Nice! Hoping to get some ideas for my Iroas deck.
very little removal being played is what sealed this game for Billy. still a good watch as always
the angel deck went off!!!!
Absolutely epic that was awesome to watch
First Kaalia match I´ve ever seen where she can cheat a creature out EVERY round (also without really been interrupted).
Hey, Btw Gisela halves (reduces) the opponents' damage to you and your permanents.
10:22 flavour win
I was about to say, How does commander exist in 2008? Then the comment section happened and apparently Future Sight was Future Literal. Also ruling question, even though this is a game filmed two years ago, shouldn't Kaalia be dead after Aegis Angel dies? Star of Extinction should still have 20 damage on Kaalia, regardless of Indestructibility, and then it loses Indestructibility, so it should die if that's the case.
Always good to see Kaalia. I rly don't now how to build her tbh. I guess just putting in the top 10 dragons,demons and angels i suppose? XD
There is SO MUCH stuff to choose from! I already got a mono black demon deck, Selesnya angel deck (karametra at the helm) mono red dragon deck with Lathiliss and the Ur-dragon 5c upgraded precon.
So, you find the best ramp and card drawing mechanics you can afford for the deck, then dump a bunch of the most savage demons and angels and dragons in there, don't worry about balancing it though. world gorger combo and extra attacks are all good as well. aside from the fat bombs, make sure the CMC avg is low, oh and run Bola's citadel, it's so busted.
You want the creatues with the best ETBs and static abilities, as well as the ones that give you extra combat steps, so you can get more Kaalia triggers.
Should you have said sejiri steep as the land was named that?
Doesn’t Kaalia die? She has indestructible until the angel leaves but when the angel leaves Kaalia still has 20 damage marked on her and dies due to loosing indestructible? Right?
Well, you got the right Sejiri at least once. Shame about the Mardu deck having a blue producing land
Nice setup from 2008, I wonder what you used? [doge]
would kalia actually live from the star of extinction, when aegis angel dies, kalia would still have 20 damage marked on it??
Lmao I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Ghave deck on this channel that didn’t get land starved
Skyler wins the playmat of the game award for me!! GO STAR GAURDIANS!
Maze of Ith would of made it so even though Iroas attacked the second combat he would still deal no damage and there would of been another turn for Skylar taking 30 damage ten from each other creature. Although without a wipe it would of been moot.
Anguished Unmaking on Avacyn...flavor win
Casting anguish unmaking on avacyn, flavour win
never seen a commander game (especially in multiplayer) where Kaalia is in the game for more than 1 turn ... never
Actually, Kaalia should've been destroyed by Star of Extinction. The Aegis Angel is gone and she still has 20 damage on her.
It's hard to say how much of a difference this would've made in the game, but still...
These guys must be time travellers XD
me: gets excited for kaalia, and it's a game where she's just uncontested xD
Everyone except Billy kept an *awful* hand. Romain and Tom got extremely lucky with theirs, but I would've expected what happened to Skylar be the expectation
Billy's hand was very slow too, a lot of taplands and rakdos carnarium? yikes
flavor win for Anguish Unmaking on Avacyn
2008,first card is an m14 temple of silence lol
He had Aurelia in hand and casted it while knowing there was a counterspell? Why not wait for kaalia trigger and roll over the game?
Casting into the counterspell was debatable, but having her enter off the Kaliaa trigger wouldn’t give him the extra combat. Because she enters attacking she would never be declared as an attacker, which is what is required for her trigger.
Attack triggers only happen when the creature is declared as an attacker, so Aurelia needed to be on the battlefield before the combat phase to get her trigger.
As for why he cast Aurelia into the counterspell, he had Animate Dead in his hand, so he probably wanted that counterspell to go to waste and reanimate her later.
The original Kaalia should have died to star of extinction as well since the damage was still there after the angel left
Will Skylar ever be able to play??
Keeping 4 garbage lands in the opening hand in Kaalia is unforgivable.
Kaalia is a beast!
>Anguished Unmaking is cast on Avacyn
*ironic*
3rd :)
God every week im waiting for this games
"tHomAs HAs a LANd tAx TrigGEr"
Crazy billy didn't tutor with rune first then slam tutored card with second Kallia trigger
Star of Extinction would have killed the original Kalia. It would have the damage marked on it, and then the Aegis Angel dies, and it loses indestructible and dies.
Billy waited 2 years to be in a video lol
Why people don't mulligan?!
A Kaalia deck work with whatever have in hand, but the rest. Only Rashmi start with a ok hand.
This game is why I get rid of Kaalia at every opportunity if I can.
Uh kaalia woulda died when aegis angel left field since star put 20dmg on her
Shouldn't Romanian have tapped less land due to him having the regal behemoth on his side of the battlefield?
I don’t think I have ever seen a ghave deck do anything before lol
Ghave is a rediculously broken commander, consider yourself lucky. You’d need a full page just to write down everything he goes infinite with.
@@nicholasberry8456 true, he has lots of combo potential. Infinite tokens, infinite sacs all that good stuff, I’ve just never seen a ghave deck actually do any of that talk
@@quinnquitars It’s probably because, at least in Muddstah’s videos, they play casually. Ghave infinite combo decks would either be completely hated out or win on the spot, not really fun for anyone.
Kaalias are like Rattatas in Pokemon, there are always around and annoying as all hell.
And, like Rattata, Kaalia may also pack an instant kill moveset: Rattata has the FEAR set (LV1 + Focus Sash + Endeavor + Quick Attack), Kaalia has Master of Cruelties.
Rashmi is even worse
@@eliakimrodrigues Blue/Green decks are mostly the same so I don't mind seeing them because literally every simic deck is just Value. Kaalia decks however (since the commander is so busted) is literally a plague and every new player in my region starts with a Kaalia and usually hits people with Master of Cruelties or some other bs ability to basically destroy everyone. I'm not saying it can be competitive but it's just annoying because there's so many Kaalia players.
I'm just here for everyone commenting on Star of Extinction also killing off Kaalia
I don't think I have ever seen a Ghave deck do anything at all on this channel. Not a particularly satisfying watch, Kaalia got to do whatever she wanted and nobody else interacted meaningfully.
wtf was Skyler thinking, did he even want to play? That is like the worst starting hand I have ever seen in the game
Fair game! .......... lol
hello
Hmm, a tutor won the game. imagine that :p
Feels so bad seeing a braindead kaalia deck wins with no sweat people with way more thoughtful decks. Urgh.
first
Original Kaalia should have died too after the star of extinction. Get your gameplay right. There might be new people playing magic here that watches your vids.
those are the worst openning hands I have ever seen
This wasnt a very fun game imo, just one player in the lead the whole game. I feel like quite a lot of your videos are like this. I