I really enjoyed this match. Everybody had their decks popping off and it felt close up to the very end with tight play and good threat assessment. What a treat!
At the end with Aetherize, couldn't you have put it on stack of the Marchesa attack trigger so that no counters would be put on, and nothing would return
You should've cast Aetherize in response to Marchesa's dethrone triggers, which would've forced Max to either let the creatures be bounced or sac them without getting them back.
@@MTGMuddstah I’m most thoroughly impressed, this is the second time you’ve responded to a comment of mine. Props to you for being an attentive creator. Love your work.
Yep! It was a goof on my part. This was our fourth game of the day, so I want to say my brain was tired, but I'm probably also just bad with the card haha.
I don't understand andrew why you didn't play the parry stream first. then shock in the stomping grounds for farseek on turn 2. please explain your thought procress!
11:25 Nick shouldn't have been able to draw 1 additionnal card from copying the mystic confluence, since after the first resolves, the one still on the stack fizzles for lack of target spell to counter. Nice game anyways !
I was always under the impression that a spell that had multiple targets / modes would try and resolve whatever modes were still legal, even if some of them had been made illegal over the course of the spell resolving.
@@MTGMuddstah close. From the rules for mystic confluence If all targets for the chosen modes become illegal before the Confluence resolves, the spell won’t resolve and none of its effects will happen. If at least one target is still legal, the spell will resolve but will have no effect on any illegal targets.
@@MTGMuddstah yeah, most of the time it works as you say, because the modal spell has multiple targets, but here there's only really one target. 608.2b [...] If all its targets, for every instance of the word “target,” are now illegal, the spell or ability doesn’t resolve. Anyways, thank you for all the great content ! Best EDH channel 👍
@@MTGMuddstah The spell/ability will still try to do as much as it can as long as it has at least one legal target. In this case, the lone target was the spell that was countered, so Mystic Confluence should've fizzled. The "draw a card" effect doesn't target.
It might just be a narration error. If Nick chose mana leak once and draw twice, he would have drawn 2 off the copy, then not drawn from the original since Martin couldn't pay for both and therefore wouldn't pay for the copy.
I too run a very similar horde of notions deck and risen reef also gets hated on in my play group..though that mostly has to do with this one time with risen reef, ancient greenwarden and zendikar's roil
Frank question sorry: why play the stomping grounds t1 and prairie stream tapped t2 when you could have had stomping grounds come into play untapped t2 and played your ramp (farseek or nature's lore) on curve? The sequencing of lands is just real puzzling to me
"Woe Strider escapes with two +1/+1 counters on it" I know it didnt prove relevant and Max won without it. But didnt see Max put the counters on his escaped woe strider. Enjoyable never the less
I’ve had a look through the comments and not seen it said yet 😅 but horde doesn’t bring the elementals back to the battlefield but let’s you cast them for free, so unless you had flash that I’m missing you couldn’t of brought back the harbinger on the end step 😅😅 Good games though, feel like horde has been power crept by the latest omnaths recently 😩
The ability is actually a weird one. You cast the spell as part of the ability resolving, which is different from say Flashback. A quick Google assured us that we played it correctly.
@@MTGMuddstah I used to think it worked that way and then I watched a commander VS or a similar channel which said differently and never bothered to double check 😂 I think it’s time to rebuild my notion EDH 🤔
yes MARCHESA, nice game my marchesa brother. Dockside extortionist is so good but so expensive. i dont have it in my marchesa deck but i wish, i probably will proxy it fuck it. too expensive
GG wp, very good game! I think I'm in the right place to ask for help or a list of rhys, the redeemed totally optimized to play in my playgroup that has evolved to a cedh level, fuck. I put 2 tokens on the turn 2 table and they are practically ready for comb, I have played against green and green / white selvala, gitrog and tassa combos consultation, help me
I despise Kaza to be honest. Every variant I’ve ever played against is an extra turns build (can’t blame them because it’s powerful). It usually winds up as a game of solitaire as early as turn 4 because they can easily get a cheap extra turn off or in some cases even time stretch
Scrolled through a page of comments and didn't see this - PLEASE say Marchesa correctly. Super petty and awful because I am a huge Marchesa fan, but I couldn't stomach listening to you calling her Markaysa any longer. Give the queen her respect and say her name as it's spelled in the future, PLEASE. Mar-chay-suh. IDK if english is your second language, but if not, OOF.
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Good game to watch! Enough back and forth to keep it interesting
I really enjoyed this match. Everybody had their decks popping off and it felt close up to the very end with tight play and good threat assessment. What a treat!
At the end with Aetherize, couldn't you have put it on stack of the Marchesa attack trigger so that no counters would be put on, and nothing would return
Yes he could have as they were already declared as attackers
Lol I just came here to comment that, and you were the top comment haha
You should've cast Aetherize in response to Marchesa's dethrone triggers, which would've forced Max to either let the creatures be bounced or sac them without getting them back.
Good call!
oooh that Kaza deck is pretty sick, using their ability on X spells is really cool!
Let Nick know those gold nails were niice
I always do!
I love your choice of music in your videos. I’m a classical music fan.
yay, my favourite mtgmuddstah background music. More importantly: This was a great game and I loved to see all decks working.
Finally the fucking horde deck list, I'm so happy!
Aaaaaaaand I'm broke.
Love seeing horde of notions here even if it isn't a big Mana deck. And karn is so beautiful to see as always.
There's nothing quite like a Karn edh deck. The decklist says 2 throne of the high city, btw.
Absolutely a beautiful sight to behold
@@kingfuzzy2 that lux cannon put in work
ThiCC value ye
Its a pretty amazing deck once you have Metalworker and Doubling Cube out at the same time.
Now this was an awesome game. Several of my favorite commanders, all doing cool stuff. Totally thought Kaza had it, Syr Konrad is nuts
I enjoyed this one Muddstah, everyone got to get into their game plans a bit with some good back and forth.....that kaza deck tho is SPICY!
The original sad robot.
“I came to kick ass and cast regal force! Wait, more regal force?!”
At 14:21, you could have countered the original spell causing the dualcaster mage to fizzle, leaving only one copy to deal with rather than 2
As a karn player looking forward to this as I never see karn videos thanks for the content
Awesome elemental deck!
great game muddstah
That Lux cannon did work
That Izzet deck is really cool!!
I'd love to see the marchesa deck list!
Andrew: Oooo, Risen Reef
Everybody else: I’ve seen that thing in Standard, it’s not allowed to live
Correct! Haha
@@MTGMuddstah I’m most thoroughly impressed, this is the second time you’ve responded to a comment of mine.
Props to you for being an attentive creator.
Love your work.
Interesting Video.
Quick question: Could you have cast Aetherize as response to the dethrone trigger?
Yes.
Yep! It was a goof on my part. This was our fourth game of the day, so I want to say my brain was tired, but I'm probably also just bad with the card haha.
I don't understand andrew why you didn't play the parry stream first. then shock in the stomping grounds for farseek on turn 2. please explain your thought procress!
Any chance to see an Obeka deck soon?
Martin really just do be sitting there with da Lux Cannon
He's charging his lasers!
Why did the thumbnail font change?
Pixlr changed its Fonts and I haven't found the original one I liked.
11:25 Nick shouldn't have been able to draw 1 additionnal card from copying the mystic confluence, since after the first resolves, the one still on the stack fizzles for lack of target spell to counter.
Nice game anyways !
I was always under the impression that a spell that had multiple targets / modes would try and resolve whatever modes were still legal, even if some of them had been made illegal over the course of the spell resolving.
@@MTGMuddstah close. From the rules for mystic confluence
If all targets for the chosen modes become illegal before the Confluence resolves, the spell won’t resolve and none of its effects will happen. If at least one target is still legal, the spell will resolve but will have no effect on any illegal targets.
@@MTGMuddstah yeah, most of the time it works as you say, because the modal spell has multiple targets, but here there's only really one target.
608.2b [...] If all its targets, for every instance of the word “target,” are now illegal, the spell or ability doesn’t resolve.
Anyways, thank you for all the great content ! Best EDH channel 👍
@@MTGMuddstah The spell/ability will still try to do as much as it can as long as it has at least one legal target. In this case, the lone target was the spell that was countered, so Mystic Confluence should've fizzled.
The "draw a card" effect doesn't target.
It might just be a narration error. If Nick chose mana leak once and draw twice, he would have drawn 2 off the copy, then not drawn from the original since Martin couldn't pay for both and therefore wouldn't pay for the copy.
I too run a very similar horde of notions deck and risen reef also gets hated on in my play group..though that mostly has to do with this one time with risen reef, ancient greenwarden and zendikar's roil
great decks!!!
Q: does your mistform ultimus deck will change for the new Orvar?
I say thee nay!
@@MTGMuddstah Then I demand to see a Mistform Ultimus vs Orvar showdown on the channel after Kaldheim.
12:45 i think spitting image should have drawn 6 cards (regal force, clever impersonator regal force, gruul elemental, temur omnath, spitting image clone)
Is the goblin on the left side now so it doesn’t get covered by the time stamp on UA-cam? I knew something was different as soon as I saw it.
Yep!
I must say that underworld sentinel is pretty good. I’ll have to put that on my wishlist
I must say, Nick's nails look fabulous
Marchesa ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Would you say Syr Konrad is better than Gary in this deck?
I have yet to put Gary in a deck because of creatures like him so I'd say yes
Frank question sorry: why play the stomping grounds t1 and prairie stream tapped t2 when you could have had stomping grounds come into play untapped t2 and played your ramp (farseek or nature's lore) on curve? The sequencing of lands is just real puzzling to me
I was pretty braindead at this point. We'd played about 4 games this session, the first of which was a 2.5hrs slugfest.
nice
Hey andrew can you do a gameplay with gisa and geralf? i love them a lot
"Woe Strider escapes with two +1/+1 counters on it" I know it didnt prove relevant and Max won without it. But didnt see Max put the counters on his escaped woe strider. Enjoyable never the less
Is Flipside going to run another box giveaway contest for Kaldheim?
It is! It starts up next Thursday I believe.
You can reduce x spells?!
Yep, I do it with Mizzix all the time. One of the best commanders to do that with.
Sorry to say, I was cheering for Karn, one of my Fav cards. Would have been nice to see a Mycosynth Lattice get rid of everyone's lands ;)
You monster! I love it
Gross I love it
And the mycosynth golem always helps in a art deck
Absolutely
Turn 1: Wayfarer's Bauble
(Mitch breathes heavily) xD
I never realized how sad karn looks until i sall the thumbnail.
IIRC, Karn was so depressed that Urza had to put a mental cap on him that limited how much he could remember at once.
Once again, Nick comes through with his manicure. ✨
I’ve had a look through the comments and not seen it said yet 😅 but horde doesn’t bring the elementals back to the battlefield but let’s you cast them for free, so unless you had flash that I’m missing you couldn’t of brought back the harbinger on the end step 😅😅 Good games though, feel like horde has been power crept by the latest omnaths recently 😩
The ability is actually a weird one. You cast the spell as part of the ability resolving, which is different from say Flashback. A quick Google assured us that we played it correctly.
@@MTGMuddstah I used to think it worked that way and then I watched a commander VS or a similar channel which said differently and never bothered to double check 😂 I think it’s time to rebuild my notion EDH 🤔
Signed up for the patreon. Thanks for the great content and for not playing proxies.
Much appreciated!
The whole table really hated on that risen reef ;~;
Me still waiting for goblin Gang merch lol 😊
Strange font lol
yes MARCHESA, nice game my marchesa brother. Dockside extortionist is so good but so expensive. i dont have it in my marchesa deck but i wish, i probably will proxy it fuck it. too expensive
Still just salivating at three mana draw fourteen
GG wp, very good game! I think I'm in the right place to ask for help or a list of rhys, the redeemed totally optimized to play in my playgroup that has evolved to a cedh level, fuck. I put 2 tokens on the turn 2 table and they are practically ready for comb, I have played against green and green / white selvala, gitrog and tassa combos consultation, help me
No tiny bones player? Dang it,feels bad man:(
Jeez, I'm early
None of my friends play magic so this is my only solace.
Are you on Cockatrice? Plenty of ppl to play on there.
I despise Kaza to be honest. Every variant I’ve ever played against is an extra turns build (can’t blame them because it’s powerful). It usually winds up as a game of solitaire as early as turn 4 because they can easily get a cheap extra turn off or in some cases even time stretch
Reason why I dislike putting extra turn spells in my Kaza deck. Fun is more important than power in commander.
Really really disappointed in the Karn deck. I went from 30 decks down to only 2 superb decks and Karn is one of them
Queen marchesa decks never win,but marchesa black rose in the other hand...
Scrolled through a page of comments and didn't see this - PLEASE say Marchesa correctly. Super petty and awful because I am a huge Marchesa fan, but I couldn't stomach listening to you calling her Markaysa any longer. Give the queen her respect and say her name as it's spelled in the future, PLEASE. Mar-chay-suh. IDK if english is your second language, but if not, OOF.
Thumbs down because of this, otherwise great gameplay - but basic english hangups.