How Does DC Voltage Affect Pedal Sound? - That Pedal Show

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  • Welcome to That Pedal Show! Please subscribe to our channel and visit our store www.thatpedalshowstore.com
    Life too short for long UA-cam videos? Please see the ‘Interesting bits and go-to sections’ information below.
    In this episode we dig into the world of DC voltage and what it means for pedal operation and sound. Let’s begin with a warning and please forgive the upper case.
    PLEASE ONLY USE THE VOLTAGE STATED EXPLICITLY IN THE PEDAL MANUAL AND NOTHING ELSE!
    This is because most pedals are designed to run on a specific voltage: usually 9V DC for most stompboxes. However, some pedals are designed to work on varying voltages, usually between 9 and 18 volts and sometimes up to 24. It will say so in the pedal manual or on the manufacturer website. If i doesn’t, don’t do it. Dead pedals are often smelly and always useless for everything except throwing at bandmates for playing the wrong parts. (DUCK!)
    Moving on, it is also possible to starve a pedal of voltage until it gets to the point where it simply won’t work. This is a key characteristic of certain fuzz sounds. So we get into all that in the video and some of the side issues and discussions.
    Please enjoy the show…
    Pedals & stuff in this episode…
    • TheGigRig Three2One
    www.thegigrig.com/three2one
    • TC Electronic PolyTune 2 Mini - No longer made, link to latest version
    UK & Europe: bit.ly/30GVcUn
    USA: imp.i114863.net/Lke70
    Australia: bit.ly/348bMOY
    • Massive Secret
    No info yet. Maybe ever.
    • JAM Pedals Fuzz Phrase
    USA: bit.ly/3dCLpqs
    www.jampedals.com/tag/fuzz/
    • Fulltone Full-Drive1
    UK & Europe: bit.ly/2PKpL5a
    USA: imp.i114863.net/DxD7b
    Australia: bit.ly/2rFuUSH
    • Origin Effects Cali76 Compact Deluxe
    UK & Europe: bit.ly/2uVGMBL
    Australia: bit.ly/2rPSRWo
    USA: bit.ly/3lPFJ0T
    • Fulltone OCD (C1.7 - links for V2)
    UK & Europe: bit.ly/30IUKFC
    Australia: bit.ly/2qgh9eW
    USA: imp.i114863.net/9ov0E
    • Analogman Bi-Chorus
    www.buyanalogman.com/Analog_M...
    • Wampler Ethereal Delay & Reverb
    UK & Europe: bit.ly/2vxhMTw
    Australia: bit.ly/2u5prE4
    USA: bit.ly/3lSQijJ
    • TheGigRig G2
    www.thegigrig.com/g2
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    Interesting bits and go-to sections…
    - Intro playing: 00:00
    - Science fiction tripod: 1:10
    - What are we doing today? 1:50
    - Disclaimer WATCH THIS: 2:50
    - The design of the pedal is what really matters: 3:48
    - Rails, headroom, and voltage: 4:36
    - What 9V, 18V and 24V actually sounds like in the Massive Secret Pedal: 8:00 (9:38)
    - Conclusions so far: 14:35
    - Now let’s starve below 9 volts:15:45
    - What about the Fulltone OCD and Full-Drive1? 17:30
    - Full-Drive1: 18:30 (19:35)
    - …Comp Cut mode: 21:28
    - Clean headroom? 22:55
    - …and higher gain again: 24:16
    - Fulltone OCD 27:00
    - …and with less gain: 28:35
    - Compressors? Origin Cali76 Compact Deluxe: 34:47
    - …lots of compression: 37:17
    - …varied voltage: 42:00
    - …and with overdrive: 45:25
    - Analogman Bi-Chorus: 46:35 (47:30)
    - Fuzz and starving voltage: 56:20 (57:25)
    - …and volume control on guitar? 58:30
    - Conclusions? 59:50
    Guitars in this episode:
    • Fender American Vintage ’62 Stratocaster - Mick’s video at bit.ly/2cQv3yT
    • Fender Custom Shop ’63 Telecaster - Dan’s video at bit.ly/2dlZJ6K
    • Gibson Custom 1958 Les Paul Standard - watch Dan’s video at bit.ly/2dbwbvS
    • Gibson Memphis 1958 ES-335 - no video yet
    Amps in this episode
    Victory V40 The Duchess with V212VC/ Celestion G12M-65 Creamback speakers
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    USA That Pedal Shop: bit.ly/3SnrFKn
    Vox AC30 (1961) with Celestion Alnico Blue speakers
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 496

  • @brianpara1407
    @brianpara1407 5 років тому +65

    Love how engaged TPS is with their community! Thanks for all the work you do! Hard working, humble mates 👍 🍻

  • @edwardbateman3957
    @edwardbateman3957 5 років тому +10

    I run my fuzz pedal at 1.21 Gigawatts.
    Love the show
    Sincerely Dr. Emmett Brown.

    • @relevantinformation6655
      @relevantinformation6655 4 роки тому +1

      It’s important to have your own thermo-nuclear reactor to run some of the older pedals 👍

    • @dylandenney3980
      @dylandenney3980 3 роки тому

      Sounds like you need a Delayrean in your collection. Also could you put a Flux Capacitor tone bleed circuit in my strat?

  • @joelpickett812
    @joelpickett812 5 років тому +8

    I remember many moons ago on the VCPI episode when Dan declared his favourite voltage of the Analogman Bi-Chorus to be 15V. I think most viewers agreed that was fairly cork-sniffer level of tweakage but after hearing the obvious difference between 15V and 18V level of the effected signal, I think we all stand corrected.

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  5 років тому +7

      I love this comment. Mick here. We don’t say this stuff just to be assholes y’know! There is often lots of method in the apparent madness. :0)

  • @plumcrazy4478
    @plumcrazy4478 5 років тому +16

    In summary, for drive pedals run at 18v if you want it louder and you want less of the actual effect. With volumes set the same, I just hear less gain. In my experience with drive pedals, the more interesting effect of the higher headroom of 18v is how a pedal handles what you stack into it. I have a Catalinbread DLS I run near the end of my chain to get my Marshally sounds, and I stack several different ODs in front of it (including a D&M - awesome). Some years ago I swapped the DLS to 18v as an experiment, and I was shocked how much better it sounded when hit with other drives. By itself it was much, much louder, and much cleaner - not exactly what I want in a drive pedal. The change in the stacked sound was a revelation though, so it's stayed that way since.

    • @angbernardo
      @angbernardo 5 років тому +1

      Greg Comfort same experiences with the DLS

    • @hoboroadie
      @hoboroadie 5 років тому

      I know three people running an Xotic EP Booster. Two at 9v, front of the chain, one guy doing 18v at the end of the chain. Different needs.

    • @davidkieltyka9
      @davidkieltyka9 5 років тому

      There’s some degree of that too (less clipping, more volume) with 18v versions of the Colorsound Power Boost compared to 9v versions, but also the 18v versions are much more interactive with guitar volume pots (and are meant to be placed first in a pedal chain). This could be just that the 18vs have lower input impedance by design…dunno.

    • @tonym7648
      @tonym7648 5 років тому

      Agreed, each of the Catalinbread amp-in-a-box pedals I’ve used generally perform better (more open, more headroom, more amp-like) when run at the full 18V.

    • @JasonClute
      @JasonClute 5 років тому

      Completely agree! I have a DLS at 18V at the end of the drive chain. In some cases I run fuzz into it. Then I have an EQD Tone Job last after drive and wet I run at 18V so I can get my EQ I want but not squash the signal.

  • @TomWebbFilms
    @TomWebbFilms 5 років тому +6

    Good to see you overcame the troubles of yesterday! I’m going to save this one for my commute on Tuesday morning, actually looking forward to my journey now!

  • @83draconian
    @83draconian 5 років тому +4

    Fantastic episode!! I personally love running my ODs @18V precisely for headroom and it also "sounds & feels " more natural to me. Great job, guys. Keep it up!

  • @kyle_brenn
    @kyle_brenn 5 років тому +105

    2000 quid for a tripod... “Imagine how many pedals you could get for that?”
    One Klon.

    • @hawg427
      @hawg427 5 років тому +3

      Are you talking about a camera tripod? I have a RRS Really Right Stuff and the legs & the ball head cost me about $1400 USD

    • @fere_gg
      @fere_gg 5 років тому +1

      😂👍

    • @hoboroadie
      @hoboroadie 5 років тому

      I am trying to budget a thing and the cables are breaking me.

    • @Bealzeebozzo
      @Bealzeebozzo 5 років тому +3

      Try buying a Miller video tripod. My wife has several Millers and then add fluid heads on top of that.........THOUSANDS of dollars just on one tripod and mounting head. It is why I get to buy all my guitar/music gear.....we both have expensive hobbies.

    • @tcause
      @tcause 5 років тому

      Snap. Sorry commented before seeing your post.

  • @NathanJFoti
    @NathanJFoti 5 років тому +1

    By far my fav episode so far. I just started running a couple of my pedals a the higher voltage. What a difference it makes. thanks gents for all the hard work you do. cheers.

  • @guitarandrewy
    @guitarandrewy 5 років тому +4

    I learned this lesson the hard way - went to a Guitar Center a few years ago to try out a Rat, and fried it by giving it 18V. I got the heck outta there after it started smoking.

  • @Atttuner
    @Atttuner 5 років тому +3

    Just want to congratulate you on the show this year it really has been another level of greatness. The guests, the gear, the insight, it really is unparalleled.

  • @jonathanduffett8374
    @jonathanduffett8374 5 років тому +8

    Just woke up sleep deprived after gigging last night. This cured my Schwangover! Great topic. Thanks.

  • @geoffnightingale9290
    @geoffnightingale9290 5 років тому +28

    Massive Secret sounds like the soon to be sold out TPS Power Booster.. killer !

    • @bbrupbacher
      @bbrupbacher 5 років тому +5

      Geoff Nightingale sounds (and looks) more like a Hudson Broadcast with a variable voltage control. They already make them in 9v and 24v versions, so it would make sense.

  • @jorgetenamusic
    @jorgetenamusic 5 років тому +2

    Excellent theme!! Thanks for all the great content and specially the laughs. Huge honk to both of you guys!!
    Dan, the Wetter Box... need it!!!!

  • @richardwood6121
    @richardwood6121 5 років тому +1

    Really appreciated this edition, answered a lot of questions. Loved the varying voltage stuff. Thanks gents!

  • @chrisperry3501
    @chrisperry3501 5 років тому +2

    Watched this in 4K on my new TV with surround sound for the first time. Mick's intro was 👌 Think I'm gonna have to rewatch EVERYTHING!!! Keep it up guys 👍

  • @New_Zealand_Music
    @New_Zealand_Music Рік тому

    You guys have such excellent ideas for videos. Thank you very much so many fascinating things to watch

  • @jacktaylorguitarist
    @jacktaylorguitarist 5 років тому +2

    This video is perfect timing for me, I recently bought a Friedman be od pedal for my 80s tones in the cover band I play in. Changed it to 18v and voila! It was so much more dynamic and amp like. Great pedal!

  • @JAugust
    @JAugust 5 років тому +2

    Thanks for the timely episode! On a new board I’d been running my Snouse Black Box 2 at 18v and Xotic SP Compressor at 9v. Wasn’t perfectly happy with the way the Snouse was sounding and the SP Comp was sounding a little dark. After watching the video I reversed them and it’s a big improvement to my ears! Love the openness of the SP at 18v and the “chewiness” (as Mick referred to overdrive feel) of the Snouse at 9v. Great topic!

  • @cyrusfontaine2598
    @cyrusfontaine2598 5 років тому +1

    I got a Pigtronix Fat Drive recently that can run at up to 18v, and I was amazed at the difference it makes! I've always been curious about this. Thanks for filling us in! Cheers!

  • @edadpops1709
    @edadpops1709 5 років тому +11

    BTW the wetter box vids are awesome Andys ,Petes and Dans first class guys👏👏👏👏

    • @scottw9732
      @scottw9732 5 років тому

      I second that. Awesome sounds.

  • @rugbynut
    @rugbynut 5 років тому +1

    Love me some waggle-stick action! Also, really appreciate the amount of work and the incredibly clear explanations throughout this video! :)

  • @markvironda
    @markvironda 5 років тому +6

    The MXR Iso Brick power supply has two outputs with variable voltage from 6v to 15v. great video!

  • @drewmello6462
    @drewmello6462 5 років тому

    Great video as always Gents. I just tried my Fulldrive 3 on 18v last week and was surprised how different it felt and responded. But I definitely looking forward to some experiments with starving my FF-mini and messing around with the bias trimpot. Thank you guys for everything you do for the TPS community!! Cheers from the States🎸

  • @yaki_font
    @yaki_font 5 років тому +28

    R.I.P all the pedals that are going to blow up after this episode... People don't believe disclaimers

    • @yaki_font
      @yaki_font 5 років тому +1

      @Rian Snuff Im also into bending and mods... All my pedals have mods.. we all fucked up something at least once... But messing with power sounds like cooked pedals

    • @hoboroadie
      @hoboroadie 5 років тому

      @inaki font magic blue smoke with a hint of progress.

    • @hoboroadie
      @hoboroadie 5 років тому

      Anyway I have boxes of little capacitors I can upgrade wire lead circuits and my iron allegedly is up for surface mounting new bits.😌
      *but I exercise my skills at opening the box first and reading the component specifications. (email the manufacturer? 🙉)

  • @alivewtwmusic
    @alivewtwmusic 5 років тому

    TPS is my new favorite show! Before buying any pedal this year, I've searched for a TPS show that demos it first. My favorite purchase inspired by TPS is the Seymour Duncan PowerStage, but that's only one of 10 pedals I've bought based on TPS recommendations.
    Thank you for this show on Voltage. You've both brought it up before, and that got me to be sure my digital pedals are properly powered (some were not). I am about to start experimenting with 18v vs 9v on my OCD and Vapor Trail.

  • @justinnorth3814
    @justinnorth3814 4 роки тому

    Highly informative and as entertaining as always, gentlemen! Thank you!

  • @nathanwainman4956
    @nathanwainman4956 5 років тому

    Class show as always lads. Proper sounds, proper playing. Starving the fuzz was amazing, gonna need to try that somehow

  • @danpechacek3855
    @danpechacek3855 5 років тому

    Worth noting when discussing headroom in overdrives: if a pedal uses diodes to achieve clipping, changing the power supply voltage won’t affect the threshold of the diodes. That’s why switching to Comp Cut mode makes such a huge difference: it takes the diodes out, so the only clipping comes from the op amp, which now has higher headroom. But in a diode clipping setting, if say the forward voltage of the diodes is .5V, it will always clip the signal it receives at .5V, no matter the power supply voltage. I see a couple other commenters mentioning the Dirty Little Secret (which, I agree, really opens up at 18V!), same scenario there: all transistors to achieve the clipping, so you see a greater difference when changing voltage than with a diode setup. Maybe a bit too in the weeds for the scope of this video, but thought I’d add it here. Anyway, this was a really excellent showcase of voltage differences AND a good hammering home of the main point: go against manufacturer recommendations at your own risk. Cheers, keep up the great work!

  • @andrewmorgan1640
    @andrewmorgan1640 5 років тому +2

    Have always been a mad headroom chaser, but this inspired me to stick to the lower voltage into my high headroom amp and more easily get the gain stacking I was after. Thanks again lads.

  • @juanmartinreborati7928
    @juanmartinreborati7928 5 років тому

    Great video! Thanks guys! Those amps are sounding beautiful today! The massive secrete sounds awesome!
    A use a Timmy in 12 volts. Sounds great.

  • @BigSh00tsie
    @BigSh00tsie 5 років тому +1

    Really glad to see some “fulldrive in como cut mode” love on this channel. It sounds so good!

  • @Alexonguitar
    @Alexonguitar 5 років тому +8

    New T-Shirt design: “With increased headroom comes increased responsibility.” Shut up and take my money!

  • @davepitt11
    @davepitt11 5 років тому +1

    I was so upset yesterday when I got to work and checked to see if a new video was uploaded. It gets me through the last day of the work week to see a TPS episode will be waiting for when I get home. But better late then never. Thank you gents.

  • @guitardoctor9780
    @guitardoctor9780 5 років тому

    Another 6 weeks and you will hit 200k subscribers. Well done! Well deserved! loving it.

  • @Glicksman1
    @Glicksman1 5 років тому

    Great episode. Your discussing and demonstrating the things that effect our gear such as voltage is many levels of depth above other similar shows. You guys are ace, the TCM of guitar shows.
    Don’t you just love the crystal clarity and pure tone of the Jazzmaster? As you are discovering, it sounds great in all kinds of amps and with all kinds of pedals and is really nice when driven hard. The JM is so terribly underrated and you may help to bring it to its proper place.
    Condolences for your bereavement. Carry on my wayward sons.

  • @nickcerase1646
    @nickcerase1646 5 років тому +5

    Hit the like button at less than 1 minute because of Micks playing. Superb :) ... Now i'll watch the rest of the vid haha

  • @peteredie9108
    @peteredie9108 5 років тому +12

    The Cali76 uses relays that switch around the 11V mark, running the 76 around the 11V mark will cause the relays to open and close rapidly, causing that fluttery gross distortion. Origin recommends running the pedal between 9-10 and 13-19 volts to avoid this.

    • @JonathanGasper
      @JonathanGasper 5 років тому +2

      What if I like fluttery gross distortion?🤪

    • @peteredie9108
      @peteredie9108 5 років тому +3

      @@JonathanGasper lol then run it at 12v. I gotta warn you though it's really not a nice sound Imo. It's more of an artifact that distortion, but if your still moved to make it musical that makes u that much more talented

  • @risingtoneofthemojo
    @risingtoneofthemojo 5 років тому +1

    Love these kinds of videos that don't just get into the different types of pedals on offer, but also the how to of using the gear that exists. I find it's a subtle but often missed detail and it's why TPS videos have been a steady diet for me for a long while. Kind've unrelated and probably hard to test note, it'd be interesting to see you guys try different types of ear protection to see which ones keep the sound the best while still providing the most protection

  • @treshull
    @treshull 5 років тому +2

    Yay! A science-y episode! The guest spots are cool, and I’m sure they are way more exciting to shoot, but I just love these episodes that show off the in-depth technical knowledge that makes this show so special. Thanks again guys! Keep up the hard work.

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  5 років тому

      Totally depends what sound you want. Mick here. I always prefer just the tiniest amount of break up in the front end and the master as loud as the situation will allow. Mmmmmmmm

  • @jrchanning
    @jrchanning 5 років тому +4

    You have amped things up with this high voltage episode and it was electric !!, but you should have called it "Current Affairs" LOL , great episode :)

  • @brianpara1407
    @brianpara1407 5 років тому +7

    Where is the Dan pedalboard episode? He teases us with it here and there, and then got us all wet over the wetter box... PUT US OUT OF OUR MISERY, MAN!! Show us what’s under the lid! 😂

    • @ThatPedalShow
      @ThatPedalShow  5 років тому +6

      It was supposed to be yesterday. But there was a problem with various things. Ha!

  • @bluelane
    @bluelane 5 років тому +11

    LOVE the Strat and Tele... but I also need moar of that JM in my life plz

    • @tcause
      @tcause 5 років тому

      Yes. Why is it that since the arrival of the JM on TPS, I suddenly have a burning desire for one...

  • @azwr
    @azwr 5 років тому +1

    Another amazing episode! The rotary voltage selection on the super top secret pedal was incredibly interesting. Sorry if I missed this being mentioned in the video, but one thing to consider with 18v is bass usage. In general, I think the low end of the bass sucks up so much more headroom. I have an OCD and a Cali76 on my bass board and _love_ both at 18v, due to that headroom for the low end to blossom a bit before hitting the top of the headroom. Cheers!

  • @ezm69
    @ezm69 5 років тому +1

    THANKS! Perfect timing for this one!
    Massive Secret..... sounds GREAT and I absolutely preferred it at 18 volts. Seemed to really open up the sound going from 9 to 18 but above that seemed almost brittle.
    OCD..... this one was odd, on the more driven tones the 18 sounded more open and sweet but as the gain was decreased I preferred the 9 volts.
    Cali76 (the one I have real questions on)...... I’m not a fan of compression in general. At 9 it sounds like a very transparent compressor (which is why I have one). At 18 it just opens up completely and gets so transparent (but you can still hear it’s doing it’s thing) that you lose that “he’s using a compressor” thing. LOVE it at 18!
    Chorus...... yea definitely differences but none that did much for me. I kind of felt like most of the changes could be had in the controls to begin with.
    The fuzz..... I wasn’t impressed which surprised me. I’d stick with 9v.
    The other Fulltone...... they definitely chose the right voltage at 9. The differences were subtle beyond that.
    Great episode, and Dan, you sold more doublers! 🤠 Now you just need a switchable 9 to 18 doubler with a variable knob to decrease from the setting for easy experimentation! 😁 I’ll forgo my royalties for that idea! 😏

  • @frankfionn
    @frankfionn 5 років тому +6

    I have to promote my favourite overdrive pedal, the GH Diablo from Okko. You can adjust the voltage continuously from 6 to 18 volts. This is feature is just awesome.

    • @jimnewearthblues1672
      @jimnewearthblues1672 5 років тому

      Frank Fionn please explain. Do you mean the LO⚡️HI switch?

    • @frankfionn
      @frankfionn 5 років тому +1

      @@jimnewearthblues1672 I have the GH (Gregor Hilden)-Version. There you can adjust the voltage with a knob.

    • @jimnewearthblues1672
      @jimnewearthblues1672 5 років тому +1

      Now I see. I have the orange (earlier) version with the HI⚡️LO switch. So the GH Diablo is unique with its variable voltage control.
      The Okko overdrive’s are very overlooked. Its a shame. They are great overdrives if not the best.

    • @frankfionn
      @frankfionn 5 років тому +1

      @@jimnewearthblues1672 Yes, they are. I think so, too.

  • @davidrohland9319
    @davidrohland9319 5 років тому

    Yet another “must watch” video from the men at TPS - Thank you!

  • @TiagoFrancomusic
    @TiagoFrancomusic 5 років тому

    58:22 that's why I watch this show every friday (& saturday); you read my mind and my thoughts, Mick. And that's why I like to change the battery on my Sunface NKT275 when I feel my cleanup is not clean as I want...

  • @manit3307
    @manit3307 5 років тому +1

    Dan, what a sweet playing as of 29.00 with the single line impro! Soulful and beautifully ringing....would have loved to hear the same thing through your 60w Hamstead: loads of headroom into more loads of headroom!

  • @charliemcgonigle96
    @charliemcgonigle96 5 років тому +1

    Another great show! Headroom is something I've only ever associated with overdrives. It was so interesting to see how it affected the modulated guitar sounds. The more you know eh. Cheers gents!

  • @Allanmelo__
    @Allanmelo__ 5 років тому

    Great show! First congratulations for always finding a relevant topic each week! I wonder if in shows where we see lots of comparisons, would not be better for us and even you to use a looper pedal in front of everything and record some samples to use to compare? This way the pedal is already playing, and you can focus on just tweek and listen..... As Mick always say is hard sometimes to play and pay atention on details at the same time....
    Love you guys!

  • @chrisjohnstone6164
    @chrisjohnstone6164 5 років тому

    .. Wow all things in my universe joined up and made sense. I have heard you describe all this before and thought I understood most bits but there was a magic moment when you spoke about clipping and edges early in the video and the vocabulary of earlier episodes all came together. I don't know if you do but never feel as if you are repeating this stuff to deaf ears... Enough exposure leafs eventually to enlightenment - at least for me today it did. I thank you - Big love

  • @bleeknoir
    @bleeknoir 5 років тому +1

    Weird. I'm not a basement dweller, but I genuinely look forward to seeing you guys every week HA! Thanks for another great show guys. Hope the Compression show has the Xotic SP featured. I used one for years on the road in an alternative old-time/jazz act, and it never ever failed me. Kept my tone intact, helped me punch through, and when I didn't add it to my most recent board, it took me months of technique altering to adjust to its absence. Xotic make truly stunning stuff, the RC was also on the road, never turned off.

  • @MusikalKoen
    @MusikalKoen 5 років тому +1

    Hi Dan Hi Mick my name is Koen Leliveld and I’m from Sauble Beach Ontario Canada. Thank you ever so much for this episode. I’m now running my FullTone OCD and 18 Volts and it sounds amazing.

  • @oansun
    @oansun 5 років тому +1

    Mick, thanks for uploading and then going back to write out the go to section later. You work very hard

  • @reversewound
    @reversewound 5 років тому

    Hi Dan and Mick, love the show, the Ed episode was above and beyond. One thing about using 18v that I'm not sure you highlighted was that it can dramatically increase your playing dynamics. The OCD and the FD2 were my mainstays for a looooog time, ran both at 18v. The OCD at 18v, in the uncompressed mode, is just amazing and very amp-like. You play softly and you get clean tones, you dig in a bit more you break up, you dig in a lot and it's balls out overdriven heaven, all without touching the volume knob on the guitar, all just from playing dynamics.When the OCD came out (mid-late 90's?) amp-like pedals didn't really exist in the pedal market, so the OCD was an amazing development. Also the FD2 in comp cut mode @18v is something to behold, especially if it's going into an amp just on the edge of breakup. So yeah, for me, beyond volume and tonal differences, it's the dynamics that really keep me using 18v where I can.

  • @RamrockMansJukebox
    @RamrockMansJukebox 5 років тому +5

    My guess: The Massive Secret is a version of the Hudson Broadcast with variable voltage, bass and treble controls, and possibly a TPS theme.

  • @erajad
    @erajad 5 років тому +3

    "Up for 4 minutes" - I've never seen a TPS this fresh! One personal advantage to Saturday publication. :))

  • @Yupppi
    @Yupppi 5 років тому +1

    You still had a video ready

  • @basvredeling
    @basvredeling 5 років тому +2

    Great show on this long overdue topic.
    I expected you guys to demonstrate what over feeding a pedal would look/sound like. Burn through a tone city TS clone or something of similar ilk.
    Also, I contacted a couple of manufacturers about voltages on their pedals. For instance the Supro tremolo supports 18v but they say it just doesn’t sound very good.
    Another manufacturer said that there should be NO sound difference on a pedal capable of 18v. No change in headroom or noise floor. But they stated specifically that because components get warmer due to higher voltage they’re actually more susceptible to noise.

  • @_RLP
    @_RLP 5 років тому +2

    Hey guys!
    Great show and beautiful intro. Just gorgeous. Thanks for doing this. Hope the issues you mentioned yesterday have or are being resolved.
    Question: how can one work with the voltage on the go? Do we have to carry one of those bricks? Should we buy rechargeable batteries and not charge them all the way... ?
    Mick joked about this towards the end, but I was genuinely asking myself that...
    PS- kudos to Simon for also acquiring new toys.

  • @pd4165
    @pd4165 5 років тому +9

    Wouldn't it be fun to have a second footswitch on a fuzz so you could swap between full power and starved?

  • @christopher-miles
    @christopher-miles 5 років тому +2

    When Mick start to adjust the OCD - it started messing with my OCD!!! The irony is just awesome!!!

  • @MrAnhedonic
    @MrAnhedonic 5 років тому +1

    I recently bought an isolated power supply which allowed me to put my EQD talons up to 18V and holy tone balls. Super interesting episode guys. Hope all the TPS crew is doing well.

  • @Aleph_Null_Audio
    @Aleph_Null_Audio 5 років тому +6

    I'm guessing the Massive Secret is a new version of the Hudson Broadcast, possibly a limited edition TPS graphic?

  • @jmaccess
    @jmaccess 5 років тому +5

    I have an OCD. I love it but selling it because I do not have enough room in my pedalboard. Bought a Clover after last week’s video. My guess is that I will get $10 more from my OCD just because of this video.

  • @Pajamasmakesmusic
    @Pajamasmakesmusic 5 років тому +1

    Hey guys, love the show! Would you be able to touch on how Audio-taper vs. Linear potentiometers effect the sound/ signal going into your effect pedals? Particularly with rolling your volume knob down to clean up the signal? I'd imagine it has a pretty big impact on the feel and functionality, especially with drive pedals.
    Thanks for all that you do!

  • @colomboluke
    @colomboluke 5 років тому +1

    Another wicked video guys. Very interesting to say the least! I don’t know how I feel about you guys being so close to me 😜

  • @RobFlaxMusic
    @RobFlaxMusic 5 років тому

    Mick’s “stank face” at 45:45: “Whatever those settings are are good... I like this stack, and this riff..” Cut to “were you changing it?”
    That’s one of the reasons I love this show... There are moments when you abandon the mission and just revel in the sheer joy of good guitar tones! Thanks

  • @michaelventi2248
    @michaelventi2248 5 років тому +2

    Brian Wampler did a great video on running 18v in the Tumnus. He let out the magic smoke. Awesome and sad at the same time.

  • @glenby2u
    @glenby2u 5 років тому +1

    interesting how it works.From my stereo, the headroom manifest in more space/definition making it sounds a little "thinner".
    I suppose it also depends on pickup output, each pedal's input capacity and the amp's ability to cope with/render the sound.
    nice work.

  • @TheVigilantStewards
    @TheVigilantStewards 5 років тому +1

    Wow, 9v on the Massive Secret sounded like constant fizzy noise and flatness, but when you moved it up to 24 volts that totally cleared up. Too pedaly at 9V. I have a Siegmund Double Drive which operates off wall power and microtubes, no wonder it feels so much better than pedals most of the time... if the voltage makes that big of a difference I'm sure having an actual hand wired preamp basically is totally different. Sometimes you want that pedal though - it's all good!
    I tried 9 vs 12 vs 18 volt on a Wampler Euphoria when I was putting all my stuff together with the power supply. It's kind of voiced with the 9v idea in mind and doesn't scale well, but I do like the way gain pedals seem to be smoother or more well behaved/natural at higher voltage. It's just not a guaranteed win in my experienced.

  • @dunhamchris
    @dunhamchris 5 років тому +1

    This is a topic I’ve never understood. Friends of mine would tell me to run my ODs on batteries so the battery could run down. This never made any sense.
    But I get it now. I didn’t believe them before when they said it sounded different. But it does.
    Thanks again guys.

  • @danielbertola7868
    @danielbertola7868 5 років тому +4

    Right at 41:57 as Mick takes off, I've been experiencing that crackling from my Cali76 at higher settings as well. Good to know its not just mine. Seems to be only past 2 o'clock. Its never set that high for me normally anyhow. TPS, always useful

    • @grega1207
      @grega1207 5 років тому +1

      I have yet to listen to a UA-cam video with a Cali76 that does not crackle or have noise in one form or another. I don't understand how a pedal that is in such high regard can have noise like that. For acoustic guitar work that is simply unacceptable. I hope Dan and Mick will look into this in more depth and compare it to the Keeley Compressor Pro model. I have not heard any YT vids with the Keeley that have noise which is why it's still on my short list. I'd love to have the new Cali76 stacked but the noise issues I'm hearing thus far are keeping me from getting it. I'm hoping for another in depth compressor video from TPS to look into this further.

  • @dirtyhilljack
    @dirtyhilljack 5 років тому

    Another great show guys even if the cameras were creeping on you! In all the things you have discussed that impacts your sound you have touched on the number of speakers 1x12 vs 2x12 vs 4x12, but how would different speakers in you amps/cabs impact things? How would an alnico blueback impact a tubescreamer sound compared to a greenback or a creamback with higher wattage? What about Jensen speakers (classic fender)? Keep up the awesome work!

  • @pedalscapes
    @pedalscapes 5 років тому

    Great stuff, as ever, cheers! :)

  • @Danocaster214
    @Danocaster214 5 років тому +3

    Great stuff boys. I miss my Cali76. I'm using a Jackson Audio Bloom now. I love the EQ/Boost on the Bloom, but I miss the 18v headroom of the Cali76.

    • @michael_caz_nyc
      @michael_caz_nyc 5 років тому

      Thats also A Great Pedal the Jackson Audio Bloom.

  •  5 років тому +1

    Hi guys,
    You’re awesome.
    I’ve recently embarked on a modding adventure and I was thinking that you two might like to give your thoughts about it? Pickups, coil splitting and wiring, winding, pots, capacitors, selector switches, fret dressing, nut, tuners, saddles, etc.?
    Rock on from Canada!

  • @el_kammeroni
    @el_kammeroni 5 років тому

    Hi guys, cool episode. One nice thing I was missing withe fuzz was biasing/starving the individual transistors instead of the whole circuit. Thats a whole other world to dive into :) PS: I know you would have to use a pedal that offer the option for Q1/Q2 bias or put a trimmer in there for the job...

  • @Cornan1980
    @Cornan1980 5 років тому

    Didn't know what to do with myself when I woke up on a Saturday with no TPS to watch. Thanks for posting, guys!

  • @martone6852
    @martone6852 5 років тому +2

    Hi guys, great show as always. I have a Wampler Reflection, what do you think might change in the sound of a reverb at higher voltages. I expect it could be quite subtle. Cheers from Oz,
    Dan

  • @jlevinson100
    @jlevinson100 5 років тому +3

    episode on shopping for pickups? so many companies make similar style pickups (e.g 'vintage') but it's not very easy to demo different pickups practically speaking. I don't like to buy based on reviews or product descriptions but rather how it feels when I play it. Thanks

  • @brianpara1407
    @brianpara1407 5 років тому +12

    The real “Massive Secret” is Dan’s Pedalboard 😂 😝 😉

  • @timcowell9031
    @timcowell9031 5 років тому

    Hey guys,
    love the show, I always enjoy how much I learn from you guys. It would however benefit me and perhaps others if you could include diagrams via digital or even just a whiteboard? Film it before and edit it in? I tend to get a bit lost. Just a suggestion perhaps you have already tried this.
    Love the new wet pedal Dan!! Bloody great idea!
    Cheers

  • @RandyFricke
    @RandyFricke Рік тому +1

    That guitar intro by Mick was inspiring.

  • @mattgilbert7347
    @mattgilbert7347 5 років тому +1

    Hi guys, TPS fans, passers-by: I have one of the Blackstar HT Dual pedals that runs on AC (16v). There are two kinds, the one I have and one at 22v DC.
    Not sure I can afford the entire GigRig Modular PS, but I assume it has an AC option, maybe with variable voltage? I'm used to running a Strymon Ojai and Zuma R3000. The only other option I can think of is Truetone CS7/12 - I believe they have an AC output, idk about variable voltage (I think Cioks and Voodoo Lab make AC Bricks, but it's a lot for just one pedal) - or just use the adapter that Blackstar provides with the pedal, which works perfectly. I really like the pedal but hate having adapters everywhere.
    Thanking in advance, great show as always!
    (NB: Manual is explicit: 16v AC)

  • @fishypaw
    @fishypaw 5 років тому +5

    Phew. My TPS withdrawals were getting that bad I was thinking of taking up drugs again. Thanks Mick. :)

  • @jonathanduffett8374
    @jonathanduffett8374 5 років тому +30

    Next Gigrig product.....an expression pedal controlled power supply....

  • @toast47624
    @toast47624 5 років тому +1

    Beautiful intro playing!

  • @soundmindinc
    @soundmindinc 5 років тому +1

    Holy cow you guys got to the point before the 20 minute mark! Are you two feeling well? Did the £2000 tripod have an effect on your tangents? Loved the episode

  • @paultyrrell8060
    @paultyrrell8060 5 років тому +1

    Fantastic intro Mike

  • @lukemaybury4351
    @lukemaybury4351 5 років тому +1

    I think I’d like an OCD! Really interesting video TPS! Thanks!

  • @ralvknights
    @ralvknights 5 років тому +3

    I was already happy for Dan's new home run The Wetter Box. It is destinied to be a classic and essential pedal to make players sound their best.
    Now with the Wetter do film an episode of Hard Rock Guitar into Fuzz >compressor>Overdrive>Noise Gate> Crunchy Marshall using the Wetter pedal. Heavy metal Gods hear my request!!! Use humbucker guitars. Hard Rock Episode for best overall Crunchy and lead tones.

  • @hettarstrat1197
    @hettarstrat1197 5 років тому +5

    I'm wondering if there is a difference in running my Pete Cornish LD-1 buffer at 24V ? The manual says it's possible, but I don't have a 24V power supply.

  • @JasonClute
    @JasonClute 5 років тому

    Plus 1 from me for episode on battery types!! 🙏 Also, wanted to make a point someone has already made in comments. The higher voltage comes in handy when gain stacking pedals. I run a DLS at 18V at the end of my drive chain in a wet dry setup. I have fuzzes, drives, (D&M drive), boosts, compressors before it. Since signals hitting it are higher it gives me the character of the DLS without getting too squashy. Then I have a GE7 (modded) at 18V at the end of my wet signal chain and an EQD Tone Job at 18V at the end of dry signal chain both just before each amp. Gives me just EQ control over each amp, on the overall sound without getting clippy! Just a matter of what you need to achieve and understanding the concepts which this video does excellently! 🤜🤘👏

  • @scottw9732
    @scottw9732 5 років тому

    Great show, guys. Could you please explain a bit more on how this affects gain stacking, specifically with boost peddles. I have a boost that takes either 9 or 12 volts, and doubles that with an internal pump. Since it is not clipping on its own, how does that voltage difference affect a drive either before or after the boost? Thanks guys, you're always the best show in town.

  • @mikeroadblock
    @mikeroadblock 5 років тому

    Waggle your stick ALL you want sir. It’s your show. Love you both already! Cheers.

  • @dmac-333
    @dmac-333 5 років тому

    Cool show guys. Last week my OCD battery went flat and used the power supply for the first time, there was a remarkable difference, so much so I went out and stocked up on batteries. Dan, you must run into this problem a lot with board builds for battery devotees?

  • @officerockstar
    @officerockstar 5 років тому

    I had the Hudson Electronics Sidecar for a while and I preferred it at around 7 volts. When I bought it I had assumed I would prefer it at 24v because I have the Hudson Electronics Broadcast (best pedal ever) and I love that at 24v.

  • @mattgilbert7347
    @mattgilbert7347 5 років тому

    Loved the Fulldrive at 18v (which I will try tonight!), less so the OCD.
    That Cali tho. Can't afford, but I can admire.

  • @chriswilliams-tz4in
    @chriswilliams-tz4in 5 років тому +19

    Great show guys, I`m off now to put 480 volts into my amp, think of the headroom!

    • @oisinmcphillips2090
      @oisinmcphillips2090 5 років тому +3

      You're head will be all over the room alright :)

    • @mattgilbert7347
      @mattgilbert7347 5 років тому +2

      @@oisinmcphillips2090 Beat me to it. It'd be a "Scanners" Rock 'n Roll moment!

    • @relevantinformation6655
      @relevantinformation6655 4 роки тому

      Make sure your running that in 3-phase for optimum performance at 480 volts. No need to ground anything ⚡️✨💥