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Idk how much of the movie is done. But at this point, you have two options: They could never release it and just distance themselves from it from now on(which would be even more disappointing considering people crowdfunded this thing). Or, like you said, put it out regardless of the drama, and let the movie be judged on its own merit. People may downvote it just because of this story now, or might not watch it all together. But at least it would be out and dealt with, and the crew can just leave it in the past and move on to better things.
@@JcgLounge The movie is fully filmed. Just days before the whole drama started they announced that they had a rough cut of the movie done. Whether or not the film will see the light of day. We do not know.
I'm so glad I returned to studying film after turning 30 and truly understanding and appreciating the collaborative aspect of film making, as a director I try always try to keep my ego off of my projects, listen to the crew and people who clearly know more about the things they do than I do, this is my advice to every aspiring director out there, treat your crew as people and equals, you're doing it together, you're not a dictator with slaves who do your work, embrace the collaboration.
@@skelebonez1349 I'm not too comfortable giving much tips cause I'm still just a stumbling amateur film maker myself but this I'm gonna say, be willing to make compromises and don't be sad when the end product isn't like you saw it in your head before you started shooting and editing and all that shit.
Lotus director "guys what our lead actor did was unaccessible and deserves backlash" Lotus director 24 hours later "OK I know I also said those things but I'm very sorry you guys" EDIT All y'all In the comments really need to learn the difference between being edgy and calling black people slurs
@@Iobsterpeterson Nah.. its just tipical Hypocrisy. calling it f*cked up its exagerated. This whole deal is dumb. A project being cancelled bc of Teenagers comments. Really? and speaks to me about how thin the skin of people from North America is.
@@Iobsterpeterson Nah.. its just tipical Hypocrisy. calling it f*cked up its exagerated. This whole deal is dumb. A project being cancelled bc of Teenagers comments. Really? and speaks to me about how thin the skin of people from North America is. (in social media at least)
As spider-man 3 says, we should do the hardest things, and forgive. We can’t change the past, or what we said, I think we shouldn’t judge people for they’re high school mistakes, especially many years later, regardless of slurs or not, we should learn to love forward.
There shouldn't have been any apologies in the first place. Apologies do nothing for people who operate under cancel culture. They said some edgy things years ago, people really need to stop being so thin skinned.
He tried to throw him under the bus, huh? It's kind of awkward when it happened to him right after. I really don't envy Gen-Z, they have every bit of dirt they do easily accessible, these kids won't ever work in movies after this and it's kind of sad. I hope they can fix their reps cause you learn a lot out of high school especially with how edgy humor reflects poorly on you and you want to move on from it.
As much as I may not condone the actions of these men when they were younger, what do they expect them to do if they've truly moved on and became better people? Should someone not be allowed to pursue great things or make things for many others to enjoy just because they said some stupid shit as kids?
i will quote chuck from better call saul:I know you. I know what you were, what you are. People don't change! You're Slippin' Jimmy! And Slippin' Jimmy, The law is sacred! If you abuse that power, people get hurt. This is not a game! You have to know on some level, I know you know I'm right. You know I'm right!
because the things he said were not just stupid but hurtful and charged. no doubt he scarred people with the things he said. you can’t just say sorry for being racist.
through all the twists and turns of this story I think the most notable part is it all happened because a 15 year old on twitter with an Eobard Thawne pfp planned the entire thing for six years
The worlds slowly becoming a bad movie and I’m here for it. If in 2015 you’d of told me that I wouldn’t of even bothered to check. But I did and your telling the truth! That’s wild af
Funny, the film school story about that egotistical student rings true for me too. I recently finished my time at film school (yay) and for our final projects one of my roles was doing a behind the scenes documentary on the making of one of the films. (Directing, shooting and editing the documentary) the writer/director of the project is massively egotistical and at times quite rude. And we had a lot of issues with the production even before shooting mostly out of our control, actors dropping out, weather, covid etc. And then we finally get to shoot it and the film falls apart basically. Everything is super disorganised and things start going wrong and on our 2nd day of filming the lead actor (a last minute replacement I believe due to the previous choice being unavailable) quits, over issues with the script and disorganised nature of everything. And of course I'm just there documenting all of this and it was honestly really interesting to see the director sort of have everything just fall apart in front of them and be sorta taken down a peg. And then they had to figure out what to do instead and they made a music video. And I obviously interviewed the remaining cast members and the director and producer and asked them about their thoughts on what happened and of course the director made it all about themselves despite the fact it impacted the rest of us too. I probably ended up with the best situation honestly, made my job of making the documentary a lot easier.
I told Gavin recently I had a theory that because of some misinformation around the former VFX Artists & the “storyboard artist situation” (the artist we got was fully paid & even came to set) that people might be taking what they image a “god complex director” to be like in their head & placing it on their idea of him. Sadly I saw you do that right in front of me towards the end of this well made video btw & it really breaks my heart. I was a Producer/1st Assistant Director on Lotus for nearly every single day of production & I can say Gavin J Konop is one of the smartest & most collaborative directors i’ve ever worked with. There are so many ideas in the movie that were suggested by someone else on the spot that we used instead. He was so incredibly accommodative sometimes i’d even tell him he was being too nice & lenient about certain things that were negatively affecting the production & that he was the director after all & needed to put his foot down. This being Gavin’s Debut Film he learned a lot about how he wants to be as a director going forward & I can honestly say even on his 1st attempt I still would like other directors I work with in the future to be a similar experience to working with him. I hope anyone reading this that was planning on watching it still does cause so many of the most talented people I know had a hand in making it & it’s the thing i’m most proud of in my life so far.
@@DonnieDaise the screenshot of him saying that he wouldn't pay them is fake. Storyboard artists were offering their job for free at the beginning, once the Indiegogo campaign got success the fans during live Q&A asked to try to pay them at this point, then Gavin accepted and told fans he would have paid them. He never shitted on people he worked with and I'm sure about it (I've worked on Lotus too), sometimes happened discussion but they were only about production decisions and if someone had little troubles he didn't cause them intentionally. So during production all the crew has been respectful and gentle to others, the screens from the past are very disconnected from the production of the movie. If someone in the VFX got nervous or disappointed is also because they had discussion eachother because the organization of VFX needed to be better. That's all
I'm glad someone else from production came out to explain things. I'm not saying we have to justify his behaviour, but there's a lot of misinformation spreading, fake screens and fake stories about behaviours during production etc etc. Glad I'm not the only one spreading a good experience had during the production. As much the racist and hateful stuff from the past isn't justifiable we also have to disconnect the question from the movie because they aren't related at all.
I don’t think we should be pulled any further into this symbiotic that is the drama between Gavin and Warden, I think we should still be excited for Lotus and judge it for what it is
David, I remember watching your transformers action figure reviews back when i was 6 and now seeing this at 18 has shown me how fast time flies and still somehow doesn't change. Never stop making stuff, man.
No way! You really are Black Spider David! I used to watch your Spidey videos, when I was 6. The name felt familiar, but I thought it was just a strange coincidence!
I was friends with the cast members. never knew they'd become this famous. However what I did predict is Gavin's ego getting in the way. which it indeed did. Warden was always a cool guy tho. I don't believe he's really a terrible person, flawed but not terrible. sad state of affairs truly
As someone who's also studying filmmaking currently, hearing all of this focus in the experience of making media instead of only the whole controversial stuff was great and the anecdotes you told felt really familiar to me x'd Something i really felt in my experience was that people in this medium, especially those who seek to be directors tend to have a lot of problems with their ego, and a lot of times during our projects and exercises there were always someone who put themselves above anyone else and treated us in a condescending way or even like some form of "lesser creators", and sadly, the higher the expectations and i guess potential from the student were, the worse they would end up acting against their peers. And honestly i always got that same impression from looking at this fan film and the director way before the controversy, when looking at other of his interactions like that weird rant he did some time ago about What if's version of Spider-man or other adaptations of the character, and while i'm almost sure that me having such impressions at the time was kinda unjustified, it felt truly weird to see how to some extent that ended up being true, or almost true i really don't know at this point
And just like that it's gooone. Like an Angel's kiss. It truly is sad what came about the fan film and how practically anything relating to it is tarnished. If it comes out I'll probably watch it but after seeing some footage my expectations are much lower even if there are some effects missing. The best thing to come from this are the comments in the official channel. Needless to say this film is MILES away from being seen in a positive light.
@@Iobsterpeterson Definition of the word Tarnish: make or become less valuable or respected And those "distasteful jokes" have certainly caused this fan film and the people attached to it to become less respected. I think saying the film has been tarnished is accurate.
@@Iobsterpeterson Idunno man, I've done a lot of digging, and it definitely seems like the majority people have stopped supporting the project. From twitter, Instagram, facebook, tumblr and discord. It is rare to find supporters of the film, such as yourself. With even people on the very project such as story board artists, vfx artists and even actors coming out and talking about it and their disappointment. It's gotten so bad that I doubt Gavin will ever be able to fund another movie again, let alone work in the film business in general. Controversy like this sticks. Even if he is 100% in the right, his reputation is permanately ruined. One google of his name or the project will lead straight to the controversy. And thanks to all the memes and shitposting, his version of Spider-Man will forever be remembered as "The Racist Spider-Man"
@@CoffeeholicAlien Yeah. And that’s the sad part about all this. Even if somebody like me isn’t offended by the things he or Warden has said in the past, people out there will look at that as disgusting and unforgivable. Yeah he definitely needs to be held accountable. But, in a way, I almost kinda feel bad for him. Warden too for that matter. It’s like you said, stuff like this sticks and idk if those two will ever find work again in the film industry. People will read about this whole controversy and reject both Gavin and Warden just because of it.
I’m all for someone trying to change and get out of their toxic bubble. We all used to use those terrible words and 15/20 years ago. If he’s trying let him. His true actions will reveal itself in time.
People who cancel others because of a creators past mistakes are pathetic. It’s just really sad because it makes it out like no one can change as a person
Yeah well if there's one thing I learned, the people who go out of their way to cancel other people are typically pretty awful themselves. It's usually done out of pettiness rather than any sort of good intentions and everyone is always so quick to jump on the bandwagon.
@@zmomoney4529 I’m talking about every other creator cancelled for behavior that were acceptable years ago. Notice how my original comment wasn’t talking exclusively to him.
Anyone can change as a person. However as another creator has said, not everyone has a racist phase as a teenager and such isn’t normal. Especially when Google is literally free and being a decent human being isn’t that hard to do. These screenshots are also recent and Gavin along with Warden have either been still saying these harmful phrases or just haven’t matured at all. The Green Goblin actor also hasn’t apologized either in any way.
@@sentaisyn2094 You really don't get how this world works do you? How old are you? What have you been through? Who are you to sit so high and mighty up in your chair of ideological virtue that you can look at someone who was a LITERAL TEENAGER and declare him unrighteous? Get tf outta here with that crap. It's pathetic.
I now believe that people can never ever change. I am so glad that these people are being punished for stuff they said when it was more socially acceptable. I'm so glad that we will hang mistakes that these people have made over their heads forever and I hope we all can have our past misdeeds ruin our lives as well 🙄
I think I am for one sad sad, I'm really glad you made this video essay but right now I feel put down since this is a major fumble for spider-man lotus.
Honestly, I think people are looking too much into it. I mean, fuck, if they wanna play edgy on their private messages, where it doesn't really affect anyone, fine. It's not uncommon for that to happen, I mean, fuck, people with big platforms enable the use of certain words through exposure. Look at Idubbbz, Filthy Frank, etcetera. People can joke around with those things, it's not really aimed to hurt anyone imo, it's just cringy jokes made in the heat of the moment, people laugh, it goes by, no one really gives it a second thought. Should they? Probably, yeah, but then again, shouldn't the people feeling offended by jokes made between close friends, not meant to ever be seen by other people also give that a second thought? Who really hurt them? The guy talking to his friends privately or the guy who decided the entire world had to see that?
I think we should just stop ruining lives based on things people said in Middle School and High School. Like Y'all don't really support that do you? I'm just saying in general this cancel culture is getting out of hand.
Its a dark day when our value as human beings is undercut by shit we said as kids. No one is perfect, and to virtue signal and character assassinate like this is fundamentally hypocritical. What the world needs is grace to alow people to grow and change and not to destroy people in a vain attempt at "justice"
Man. This all went downhill when a 15 year old boy had felt betrayed and lied to ever since he was 9 years old. That really is some petty shit, lmao. Tbh honest tho, I don’t know whether this could be considered cancel culture, or the people involved rightfully paying the consequences. Because I’m not offended by the things either Gavin or Warden has said. At the end of the day those were just a few stupid, cringy messages that were said years ago and hold no real weight. That being said, I know some people are legitimately offended by those messages(which like he said, some of them could’ve been faked. So let’s not pretend all of it was the real deal). I just wanna say that, even tho both Warden and Gavin learned their lessons, came out and apologized, we as people gotta move on and not let dumb shit like that bring us down. There are other more terrible things happening in this world. A couple people being outed for stupid little causally racist messages isn’t something we should be losing our minds over. But that’s just me. Hope both of those dudes continue to learn and grow from their mistakes. Feel bad for the rest of the crew, now they all gotta put up with the fact that the movie they’re attached to is probably gonna be forever tied to racism.
As a poc, I feel kinda betrayed because I looked up to Gavin but never meet your heroes they do deserve to be called out because the messages were from not just years but a year ago also. I just hope both of those dudes continue to learn and grow from their mistakes. It's ancient history now and unless something else comes up let's not worry about it.
@@Legend-io4pz They never said anything in a racist way though. They just said the words the same way a black dude would. Gotta look at the context not just the word
@@arc4859 Him saying it, no matter the context, it’s still racist. And even if it wasn’t he still said a lot of homophobic and xenophobic shit. Gavin is an asshole
This was a well-informed video it sucks because I feel kinda betrayed. I looked up to Gavin (Yes some of them are fake but the ones that are real range from years to last year). I just hope both of those dudes continue to learn and grow from their mistakes. It's ancient history now and unless something else comes up let's not worry about it.
I think the first guy was in the right since he said that he regrets his past behaviour and I can tell exactly what his situation was, he was just young and surrounded himself with shitty people, and then grew up and realised he was wrong. I think the second guy was a bit of an ass though cause he threw his friend under the bus and grandstanded while knowing damn well he did the exact same thing he criticized him for.
A spiteful and jealous 15-year-old derailing this project is the ultimate buzzkill that makes me actually have some sympathy for the “exposed” people involved with the project. This wasn’t revealed by one of the fellow cast/crew members or by someone seeking true justice against the insensitive statements. This was a childish little brat who was mad that his “hero” outgrew him and wanted revenge. All the bs about not seeing the problem at the moment and such is just a method of covering himself from blame. It’s no coincidence that he held onto those screenshots for 6 years and only *just* decided to release them. If he truly cared about the things that were said, he would’ve never let the project progress as far as it did, instead of waiting for the anticipation of its release to build
That kid wanted to f up the movie so he waited until the movie was almost done to do this. Truly a evil person. Not defending Gavin and Warden, but man he could have sent those screenshots sooner and all the money wouldn't have been wasted
i feel bad for the vfx and production team who were not involved in these mistakes and bs but im not gonna lie it's kinda hillarious and badass how he waited all these years to leak it lolll maybe i just find it funny cause me and the kid are the exact same age
You say "another video essay" but not only is this the first video essay I have seen on the subject, but it's also the first time I ever even heard of something called Spider-Man: Lotus. Only reason I clicked this video is because I like Spider-Man but I have no clue what Spider-Man: Lotus is, so I was intrigued.
Oh I can go all the way to separate the art from the artist. I don't care what anyone said or did. If it's a good film, then it's a good film. I don't care what anyone involved said or did. Actually funny that you should say "separate the art from the artist" because I was going to say the in my previous comment reply before I shortened it to just calling it eye rolling drama.
@@tappajavittu True, but there are hundreds of people already bringing justice to the directors, so one more person fighting and being surrounded by toxicity won't do any more good, might as well enjoy a project that has been worked on by other people that aren't racist.
@@tappajavittu i think hes saying that other people still go to watch blockbusters from hollywood individuals who do worse shit, so piling up on an independent creator is kind of a hypocritical thing
*WHO'S THE REAL HATEFUL PERSON?* The host of the presentation was 100% correct when he said it's all about how you treat people. That's how you can tell if you want to work with someone or not. But I still wouldn't want to ruin someone's life if I found out they treated someone mean using only words. In fact I tell my children do not ever give someone power over them and show them that they are upset by words used. When you do that the asshole who used the words wins. Anyway... I do not believe that a 15-year-old wrote that letter and I do not believe that they kept it since they were 9 years old. And no I didn't say that I don't believe that's possible because of course it's possible. But I guarantee you we will not see proof in any way shape or form, not evidence, but proof; that a 15-year-old wrote the letter and was bothered by it so much and kept all this pent up rage from age 9. We live in a world where people are insensitive. I grew up as a kid, teenager and now I'm in my late 40s and I still get racist stuff said to me; some of it from people I am friends with and some from people I love. I have also said things that weren't exactly savory, also to people I love. However I come from a time and live a life right now where I am way too stressed out with real life stuff and way too busy with my family and with my job to be upset by words that someone said LONG AGO, especially when they were a child. I think this subject is so stupid and embarrassing of a thing for this many people to be in an uproar about to the point of trying to cancel an entire project that was made of someone's lifelong passion and dreams. More, I guarantee you the main goal of this takedown has nothing to do with bigotry of any kind and has to do with jealousy and hatred because there is a certain sector of people online who basically come to the point of orgasm when they can try to ruin someone's life. Those people do not have a busy life. Those people do not have families that they take care of. Those people do not have jobs that they are constantly busy with which have a lot of responsibility etc. If any of what I said wasn't true then they wouldn't be so mean and hateful. THINK ABOUT IT; have you gone your whole life never forgiving anything anyone has ever said to you and just try to ruin their life? The answer is no unless you are a psycho. THINK THINK ABOUT IT; have you ever been so hurt and bothered by someone who you will never meet your whole life, saying something about a demographic quality that you happen to share? So upset that you want to destroy them in every possible way save from murder? Of course not unless you are a psycho. After all what kind of a hateful person do you have to be to make that much of an effort to try to take someone else down???
honestly, the internet just makes everything worse sometimes. the man just wanted to make a fan-film, based on his favorite superhero. but no, there had to controversy. I'm still gonna watch this because, I feel that I will enjoy SPIDER-MAN: Lotus despite all of the drama behind it. Gavin put a lot of thought into his project, it would awful to see it go to waste. So for anyone out there who sees this comment, please go see spider -man lotus when and if it comes out.
As someone who runs my own film studio this whole situation has definitely taught me how easy it is to ruin your own career and all it takes is one wrong message, it’s a shame to see but atleast people like myself can take away valuable lessons from it
Ayo hmu let's make a psychological horror movie or drama 💀 Joking (partly) I'm getting into the film industry and I've made sure my slate is clean and I don't say the wrong words to make people assume bad of me xD
So in summary: Words hurt, boo-hoo, two guys got cancelled for things they said when they were younger and the people that exposed them blew it out of proportion and now their lives are ruined. People memeing about those tweets can't detach from the actual film. No physical harassment or violence, just a bunch of old dumb tweets. First world problems in the modern day, lol. However, not paying the storyboard artist is not okay. I don't want to dismiss some of the things Wayne and Konop have said, but other actors have done far worse to warrant disdain like with what happened to Amber Heard or Ezra Miller.
@@Iobsterpeterson Okay, someone needs to speak out against this hysteria. I swear, I've seen so many people and UA-camrs from my generation getting caught and exposed saying racist/homophobic words back when it was considered okay when they were still teens or younger and it genuinely pisses me off people making it out like it's some sort of tragedy that happened. If people aren't more sensitive this generation, then I can't imagine what will it will be like in the future when people will be slandered for saying the most mild of insults to people and they will be saying they were traumatized and had a PTSD experience from or whatever ridiculous nonsense. I get the impression that nobody realizes how truly fallible everyone is of making mistakes in their life especially when they're young and naïve and will jump to great lengths to morally shame them for said mistakes.
@@doclouis4236 I wouldnt be surprised, in fact, you're pretty much right. New gens are def getting more sensitive, because now there's a "trend" going around involving Sexual Assault OVER VIDEO GAMES!! Yes, there are people out here, mainly on tiktok, actually saying that they are severely traumatized and have extreme ptsd due to being T-Bagged while taking a loss over a video game. Its honestly shocking that this is a thing, and they're being dead serious.
Thanks for this video, one of the few on UA-cam that had a useful lesson for me. I am an aspiring film director, and I’ll be sure to remember this for years to come.
*im gonna be the devils advocate but y’all are too sensitive on the cast members personal life and mistakes but yea either way I’ll check the movie out and judge it as a film and ignore whatever tf they did in real life*
For those who don't know there's an interview with the spider man actor Warden Wayne at SGP Studios it should definitely clear some stuff up about all of this crazy situation i recommend it
You only have 2.3k subs, but based on this video, I just know you're gonna blow up really soon. Your commentary, your mic and camera quality, your filming set, and your personality are all super entertaining. Here before 100K, and here long after! Much love
Did these people really try to cancel someone from something they said when they were 14? This is stupid... this makes it harder for people to take real issues of race harder.
The worst punishment someone should receive for words they used as an adolescent/teen is “you shouldn’t have said that when you were younger”. A majority of young people don’t understand the things they are saying and the consequences that could come with it, until they are older and can reflect on it. I’d compare it to watching a shitty movie as a child, and enjoying the hell out of it- then rewatching it as an adult and feeling the shame of once enjoying a movie that you now realize is absolute garbage.
Sounds like the director had a massive ego problem, and that alone would have ruined the experience for all those involved. But it's incredibly ridiculous to me that a project based on Spider-Man of all characters is the one plagued by cancel culture. People can make mistakes. They can do dumb and stupid things and they can hurt people. Some people are so angry at the word and apathetic to other people's problems that they let a mugger run free and kill their uncle. How does no one attached to this project or who is a fan of this project and the character recognize the main lesson of the entire franchise? I wonder would people exiling an actor for things he said years ago in ignorance treat Spider-Man the same way over Uncle Ben? Peter Parker made mistakes. Massive ones that hurt those closest to him. And he spends every day of his life trying to make up for those mistakes and trying to change and be a better person. Would you deny calling him a hero, despite all those he's saved, because one time in the past he did the wrong thing? I don't. And I wouldn't. It doesn't make racist language excusable by any means. But to believe that people can't change, grow, and learn is just as ignorant as that wrong behavior.
I've always said this: Separate the art from the artist. Not only that, but the fact that these things that people are pissed off about happened decades ago makes it all the more absurd. Can't people change? Is redemption no longer a thing? Sure, what they both said wasn't right, but that comes with the territory (immaturity, upbringings, etc.). They have no excuse, but they've pretty much facilitated the exposure of their past. The guy who posted this, the literal child who leaked the messages is more immature than they were for holding a grudge for so long. The motives of the leaker weren't even altruistic, he just knew that people would be angry enough that they'd shit on Warden and Konop. Besides, if Warden and/or Gavin abandoned the kid so easily, that just begs the question: what did HE do that made him worthwhile to any of them? Little to nothing, given the circumstances. As for the "influence" Matt received, it's all a chain. It's stupid to blame him for his upbringings, that's like judging someone for their race (does that ring any bells?). Once again, I repeat: separate the art from the artist.
Just listening to the way they tried the damage control proves they could give two shits about what was said. I don’t know why comments that were completely acceptable at the time being over sensationalized though. I guarantee you that most of the people ragging on him for his homophobic and racist comments said the exact same shit as him in their own pasts. The world is full of hypocrisy.
Because they know it's all in the past & has nothing to do with the present or how they treat people today but they have to say something because all these softies can't comprehend that you can say fucked up things without them defining you
Yup I cannot tell you tye amount if people in middle school who were edgy and said homophobic things and even racist things even if they didn't believe in it just cause they wanted to fit in yes they should be held accountable but not for the rest of their lives
@@SoapCkat Wtf do they even need to be held accountable for? If they were kids and they grew up then whats the fucking problem? Unless Gavin was actively using his platform to spread racist and bigoted ideals then I don't see what the fuck the outrage is all about
so basically they were toxic on twitter (who isnt?) using swear words :O SUCH A BIG DEAL!!! (YEARS AGO) and then they get mad at them like no one ever makes mistakes, let alone cusses on twitter/tiktok/discord or any other social platform as a teenager. so to me that sounds like its really not that deep tbh.
Hey man great work! I'm not one to be involved in twitter drama, or get really into fan films in general, but your edit here is really nice and I really like what you were saying about the collaborative process of film. Keep it up!
I support just releasing it now, i am very curious about this and looked very good for a fan film. BTW, I'm new to your channel i like it a lot. Ya also look like Garfield a bit.
i'm still gonna watch that shit even tho i dont fuck with the director. also the team put in alot of work and the vfx artist put in alot of work also and they didnt know what bitch they were working for they just wanted to get paid. if i knew who gavin really was and i was a vfx artist you gon have to pay me around 100k to edit a 30 second animated fight scene 50k extra if you wan't me to put my heart into it and try to make it look like a hollywood made movie
@@adctw3422 you’re arguing to a point I never made. I never said the movie should be cancelled because I understand it wasn’t just these two involved. I’m saying that they only said sorry after they got called out, instead of coming forward themselves and saying “yea I did this in my past and I absolutely disagree with it now”. It may be genuine but it comes across as just saving face
Back in junior high, there was a new kid who got bullied more than I did. I joined in because I didn’t wanna get bullied again. Years later I found the kid on Facebook and sent him a message apologizing for what I did. What you’re saying is, I should have contacted the local news stations and set up a press conference to publicly apologize for what I did 13 years ago. Because who knows, in the future I might be in the spotlight for something and someone might look into my past and see that. But if I were to admit what I did and apologize, it would be disingenuous 🙄
at this point i think i just have to laugh at how the internet echoes everything a thousand times and blows it out of proportion so much that its ridiculous. the "actors" apologizing as if the whole livelyhood of a community was affected beyond repair. we truly need to touch some grass
everyone is judging the director because of his past as if everyone is so innocent and never said anything wrong when they were young. guys it's the art that we should appreciate not the artist
@@flawdafunkz954 i guarantee you that the people you love watching from hollywood and such are far more depraved than this lad could ever be. You're a child if you think vilifying someone for mistakes he made when he was young is okay. Or shall we dig up your past too? How about the pasts of those you love? Father, mother, siblings? No? Don't wanna? This entire episode is ridiculous and insulting to the intellect. I'll watch the movie and if it's good, i'll tell the director how much. What i won't do is add to the pile on when i believe in mankind's capability to change and grow.
@@Charleroi92 he was in high school which is not long ago for him. if he was like in elementary or younger i could understand but he knew what he was doing and anyone could say a fake sorry and not mean it
@@flawdafunkz954 the time passed is not the issue so much as experience and maturity. When you're in high school, you're only trying out the whole "being a person" thing, not to mention being a good one. Now I'm not condoning anything he's said by any stretch, but that shouldn't exclude his film from consideration by viewers. Especially for the sake of the many people who worked on it who had nothing to do with this stupid ordeal.
They all deserved imo, feel sorry for the people working on it that were innocent tho. Also people need to realise that not all of this was years ago, some of the Gavin and other actors stuff were reeeeaally recent.
Honestly the movie has left me with so many conflicting feelings now I don’t know how to feel. It’s going to be hard to separate the art from the artist with this one considering how personal it was for the creator.
Yikes is all I can say. How tf did they find those messages on a bunch of effectively nobodies ? No offense to them, but they aren't Tom Holland or Toby maguire level famous not even close, so how the fuck did people find those messages? Holy shit.
I remember when the first official poster came out and people started to say that the movie is too white and boring. I first thought thats because the adapted the pre Miles era well i was wrong.
Even though I've had this problem and all this controversy, I still don't think that all the main characters being white is a problem if they were that way originally. But yeah, no one expected all this to be revealed from the production guys, and to have such compromising statements...
Funny because a friend and I had a similar experience with a film school student who thought he was the next Nolan back in 2016. We were asked to help out with his own Marvel vs DC character fight inspired by Batinthesun's Super Power Beat Down and things went horribly wrong. First he got mad because my friend being a martial artist and me having some martial arts but mostly a boxing background couldn't his words "effectively deliver our lines", like duh. He would through a fit because the choreography we made wasn't to his liking for being too fast and want us to come up with another fight had way through shooting in about an hour. All in all it was time experience and from that day I was deterred from ever working on any fan film projects.
@@aweirdredtoad3637 more like a drama video. Like an essay has a thesis and then brings up evidence to support that thesis through analysis and deep dives. All this guy did was talk about what happened between the cast members and all the apologies and everything.
@@gago7823 Video essays usually analyize specific topics or themes relating to film or television that is relevant as it comments on film in its own language. It's not actually like a written essay.
@@aweirdredtoad3637 i know that. A thesis statement can still be used in a video essay. I was waiting for him to bring up like a larger over arching theme about fan films or maybe Spider-Man fans or something but he just listed out the bad stuff that the crew did and showed their apologies and called it a video essay.
@@gago7823 Yes I understand that, but he was specifically describing about the controversy pertaining to the crew and the aftermath to their apologies.
Bro I and most of my mates would be in prison if we were held accountable for words we said when we were 15, people really act like maturity is a human instinct and not a learning curve
Not going to lie I used to legitimately belive non pure German people should be purged I'm including non german whites and germans or german descended people who weren't fully german even if they were white. It's something I genuinely believed and regularly spouted shit about especially online from when I was 13 to 18
Have to disagree on the film school stuff it sounds to me he wanted to make the most of his time at film school to me it seems like he must of been taking the project seriously and cast the best people for the job.
BROOO IT DIDNT STOP LITERALLY BRUH he would stop talking about one of the actors and id be like “oh damn i hope they grow from that” BUT THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ACTOR WITH A CONTROVERSY “ok ok that’s a bit overwhelming, surely that’s it-“ NOPE THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE and i’m just sitting there like “bruh JUST STOP”
This lead actor is just like any other teenage guy growing up trying to be funny. You learn as you get older. I'm sick of people hopping on the cancel culture train cuz they have nothing else to do.
I find this entire situation very sad. How a whole project fell to pieces due to two people and their racist behaviour. This entire situation is horrible. My heart is broken for those who were victims of this behaviour. Absolutely heartbreaking. Any form of racism is purely disgusting. Take care all ♥️
Even if the person grew up and are regretful? This whole situation was Bron out of pettiness they should be held accountable but not be hanged for it for the rest of their lives
Judging people for what they said as teenagers isnt okay, otherwise every teenager should be put in prison because they say and do fucked up things all the time, people are so isolated now they forget these things
Ppl are honestly over reacting it’s not like he called someone the hard R twitter is so self righteous& the users hold people to unrealistic standards… like the guy apologized what more do u want lmao. Nothing he could have done could redeem him. They want people to be dragged down as miserable as they are
Look what they said was wrong but demonizing and cutting off people that said stupid shit when they hadn’t even finished puberty is the dumbest thing in the modern day, especially when over half of those people crapping on them are just as guilty when they were at a similar age. They apologized and owned up to it, judge them for who they are now not when they were so young they couldn’t even drive💀
You guys act like these people said these comments when they were very young children, they were old enough to understand that what they are saying is wrong they aren't completely clueless about the world around them lmao
@@Roninberserker that doesn’t matter as they are still a kid it’s not about being old enough to understand something is wrong it’s that they wouldn’t be as smart and might not even know how to go about with life such as being edgy to fit in and stuff like that I’m pretty sure an adult has less of these problems and even as an adult people can still improve you don’t want people to improve if your saying this
They say ignorant things in private is what can be summed up. There's been no examples of them treating people wrongly in real life through "racism" and "sexism"
It's not people saying words that offend other people for no reason, it's people who get offended over nothing that ruin it. What ever happened to separate the art from the artist? I've worked with some amazingly talented people who were all terrible to be around. Smug, bad-mannered, arrogant, egotistical, but they made some great content. Who cares if someone said the gamer word. How does that affect you?
I don't really get why people got this upset at them. Yes, it was some really racist stuff. And yes they should take accountability over it. But they said this when they were in middle to high school, while I get that isn't what most people would do, teenagers do and say the dumbest and most fucked up things. Like 4 years between 15 and 19 is a huge difference in term of maturity. That being said, yeah I'd probably still watch it. If I'd say no because I feel conflicted about the director or actor, then I'd have to say no to like 70% of all films because some people who worked on those films did some really henious stuff
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The only thing they can do now is to release the movie, let it be judged on its own and somehow move on if they can from this disaster
Yea fax
Idk how much of the movie is done. But at this point, you have two options: They could never release it and just distance themselves from it from now on(which would be even more disappointing considering people crowdfunded this thing). Or, like you said, put it out regardless of the drama, and let the movie be judged on its own merit. People may downvote it just because of this story now, or might not watch it all together. But at least it would be out and dealt with, and the crew can just leave it in the past and move on to better things.
@@JcgLounge The movie is fully filmed. Just days before the whole drama started they announced that they had a rough cut of the movie done. Whether or not the film will see the light of day. We do not know.
@@isostormgamer5584 I think situation would be a better word to use, because Drama feels like the situation is nothing.
Keep it
I'm so glad I returned to studying film after turning 30 and truly understanding and appreciating the collaborative aspect of film making, as a director I try always try to keep my ego off of my projects, listen to the crew and people who clearly know more about the things they do than I do, this is my advice to every aspiring director out there, treat your crew as people and equals, you're doing it together, you're not a dictator with slaves who do your work, embrace the collaboration.
Slightly off topic but working on a sort of fan film with the mix of analog horror, any tips in being a director?
Really just tips in film making and such
@@skelebonez1349 I'm not too comfortable giving much tips cause I'm still just a stumbling amateur film maker myself but this I'm gonna say, be willing to make compromises and don't be sad when the end product isn't like you saw it in your head before you started shooting and editing and all that shit.
Damn, your doing way more right and better than a majority of quote on quote "producers" in Hollywood rn. Good job, your going to go places
@@tappajavittu thank you very much, and I hope for the best for ya Corpse sniffer:D
“Your Spider-Sense couldn’t have predicted this you son of a bitch.” is the most insane line I’ve ever heard in my life.
The whole Lotus controversy at least gave this absolute gem of a line: “Your Spider-Sense couldn’t have predicted this, you son of a bitch.”
There should be a whole 4 part miniseries about these leaks cause the plot twist was insane
Netflix👀
@@bigmac8103 Nah Amazon Prime
"It was ME, Gavin!"- The kid who leaked the DMs
@@videogamemaster7201 I feel like that’s illegal since he doesn’t have the rights 🤨
@@zmomoney4529 neither do the director, it’s a fan-film, if Sony want it they shut it down.
Lotus director
"guys what our lead actor did was unaccessible and deserves backlash"
Lotus director 24 hours later
"OK I know I also said those things but I'm very sorry you guys"
EDIT
All y'all In the comments really need to learn the difference between being edgy and calling black people slurs
@@Iobsterpeterson Nah.. its just tipical Hypocrisy. calling it f*cked up its exagerated.
This whole deal is dumb. A project being cancelled bc of Teenagers comments. Really?
and speaks to me about how thin the skin of people from North America is.
@@Iobsterpeterson Nah.. its just tipical Hypocrisy. calling it f*cked up its exagerated.
This whole deal is dumb. A project being cancelled bc of Teenagers comments. Really?
and speaks to me about how thin the skin of people from North America is. (in social media at least)
As spider-man 3 says, we should do the hardest things, and forgive. We can’t change the past, or what we said, I think we shouldn’t judge people for they’re high school mistakes, especially many years later, regardless of slurs or not, we should learn to love forward.
There shouldn't have been any apologies in the first place. Apologies do nothing for people who operate under cancel culture. They said some edgy things years ago, people really need to stop being so thin skinned.
He tried to throw him under the bus, huh? It's kind of awkward when it happened to him right after. I really don't envy Gen-Z, they have every bit of dirt they do easily accessible, these kids won't ever work in movies after this and it's kind of sad. I hope they can fix their reps cause you learn a lot out of high school especially with how edgy humor reflects poorly on you and you want to move on from it.
As much as I may not condone the actions of these men when they were younger, what do they expect them to do if they've truly moved on and became better people? Should someone not be allowed to pursue great things or make things for many others to enjoy just because they said some stupid shit as kids?
Apparently Gavin said a lot of shit during the time this first started coming out that shows it wasn’t just “stupid shit” he said as a kid
I swear it's only white guys that don't think racism is *that big of a deal
i will quote chuck from better call saul:I know you. I know what you were, what you are. People don't change! You're Slippin' Jimmy! And Slippin' Jimmy, The law is sacred! If you abuse that power, people get hurt. This is not a game! You have to know on some level, I know you know I'm right. You know I'm right!
because the things he said were not just stupid but hurtful and charged. no doubt he scarred people with the things he said. you can’t just say sorry for being racist.
@@kennedylareign i can agree with the stupid and harmful but I think scarred is a strong word
through all the twists and turns of this story I think the most notable part is it all happened because a 15 year old on twitter with an Eobard Thawne pfp planned the entire thing for six years
The worlds slowly becoming a bad movie and I’m here for it. If in 2015 you’d of told me that I wouldn’t of even bothered to check. But I did and your telling the truth! That’s wild af
That’s daredevil as his pfp
Funny, the film school story about that egotistical student rings true for me too.
I recently finished my time at film school (yay) and for our final projects one of my roles was doing a behind the scenes documentary on the making of one of the films. (Directing, shooting and editing the documentary) the writer/director of the project is massively egotistical and at times quite rude. And we had a lot of issues with the production even before shooting mostly out of our control, actors dropping out, weather, covid etc. And then we finally get to shoot it and the film falls apart basically. Everything is super disorganised and things start going wrong and on our 2nd day of filming the lead actor (a last minute replacement I believe due to the previous choice being unavailable) quits, over issues with the script and disorganised nature of everything. And of course I'm just there documenting all of this and it was honestly really interesting to see the director sort of have everything just fall apart in front of them and be sorta taken down a peg. And then they had to figure out what to do instead and they made a music video. And I obviously interviewed the remaining cast members and the director and producer and asked them about their thoughts on what happened and of course the director made it all about themselves despite the fact it impacted the rest of us too. I probably ended up with the best situation honestly, made my job of making the documentary a lot easier.
Grab those lemons and make that lemonade.
Can we watch the documentary 👀
The kid seemed he took their relationship too seriously when he was just a fanboy lol.
Fr lmao
I told Gavin recently I had a theory that because of some misinformation around the former VFX Artists & the “storyboard artist situation” (the artist we got was fully paid & even came to set) that people might be taking what they image a “god complex director” to be like in their head & placing it on their idea of him. Sadly I saw you do that right in front of me towards the end of this well made video btw & it really breaks my heart. I was a Producer/1st Assistant Director on Lotus for nearly every single day of production & I can say Gavin J Konop is one of the smartest & most collaborative directors i’ve ever worked with. There are so many ideas in the movie that were suggested by someone else on the spot that we used instead. He was so incredibly accommodative sometimes i’d even tell him he was being too nice & lenient about certain things that were negatively affecting the production & that he was the director after all & needed to put his foot down. This being Gavin’s Debut Film he learned a lot about how he wants to be as a director going forward & I can honestly say even on his 1st attempt I still would like other directors I work with in the future to be a similar experience to working with him. I hope anyone reading this that was planning on watching it still does cause so many of the most talented people I know had a hand in making it & it’s the thing i’m most proud of in my life so far.
Apparently not smart enough since he couldn’t keep his mouth shut 🤐
@@DonnieDaise yeah but that was one of the faked screenshots? idk
@@DonnieDaise the screenshot of him saying that he wouldn't pay them is fake. Storyboard artists were offering their job for free at the beginning, once the Indiegogo campaign got success the fans during live Q&A asked to try to pay them at this point, then Gavin accepted and told fans he would have paid them. He never shitted on people he worked with and I'm sure about it (I've worked on Lotus too), sometimes happened discussion but they were only about production decisions and if someone had little troubles he didn't cause them intentionally. So during production all the crew has been respectful and gentle to others, the screens from the past are very disconnected from the production of the movie. If someone in the VFX got nervous or disappointed is also because they had discussion eachother because the organization of VFX needed to be better. That's all
@@ThePowerBunny exactly, they are faked
I'm glad someone else from production came out to explain things. I'm not saying we have to justify his behaviour, but there's a lot of misinformation spreading, fake screens and fake stories about behaviours during production etc etc. Glad I'm not the only one spreading a good experience had during the production. As much the racist and hateful stuff from the past isn't justifiable we also have to disconnect the question from the movie because they aren't related at all.
I don’t think we should be pulled any further into this symbiotic that is the drama between Gavin and Warden, I think we should still be excited for Lotus and judge it for what it is
Finally Someone said it!!!
Lol well luckily what you think doesn’t matter 😂 your character is obviously shitty.
Honestly curious what you’re thought on the film are now that it’s released :) 👍
David, I remember watching your transformers action figure reviews back when i was 6 and now seeing this at 18 has shown me how fast time flies and still somehow doesn't change. Never stop making stuff, man.
Holy crap! Good to hear you're still hanging with the content, appreciate it!
@@DarkspiderDavid91 course man, you're a legend in my eyes and a major inspo
No way! You really are Black Spider David! I used to watch your Spidey videos, when I was 6. The name felt familiar, but I thought it was just a strange coincidence!
I was friends with the cast members. never knew they'd become this famous. However what I did predict is Gavin's ego getting in the way. which it indeed did. Warden was always a cool guy tho. I don't believe he's really a terrible person, flawed but not terrible. sad state of affairs truly
As someone who's also studying filmmaking currently, hearing all of this focus in the experience of making media instead of only the whole controversial stuff was great and the anecdotes you told felt really familiar to me x'd
Something i really felt in my experience was that people in this medium, especially those who seek to be directors tend to have a lot of problems with their ego, and a lot of times during our projects and exercises there were always someone who put themselves above anyone else and treated us in a condescending way or even like some form of "lesser creators", and sadly, the higher the expectations and i guess potential from the student were, the worse they would end up acting against their peers.
And honestly i always got that same impression from looking at this fan film and the director way before the controversy, when looking at other of his interactions like that weird rant he did some time ago about What if's version of Spider-man or other adaptations of the character, and while i'm almost sure that me having such impressions at the time was kinda unjustified, it felt truly weird to see how to some extent that ended up being true, or almost true i really don't know at this point
Always trust your gut
And just like that it's gooone. Like an Angel's kiss. It truly is sad what came about the fan film and how practically anything relating to it is tarnished. If it comes out I'll probably watch it but after seeing some footage my expectations are much lower even if there are some effects missing. The best thing to come from this are the comments in the official channel. Needless to say this film is MILES away from being seen in a positive light.
Hehe.....miles...
@@Iobsterpeterson I don’t think calling people the n word with a hard r is a “joke”.
@@Iobsterpeterson Definition of the word Tarnish: make or become less valuable or respected
And those "distasteful jokes" have certainly caused this fan film and the people attached to it to become less respected. I think saying the film has been tarnished is accurate.
@@Iobsterpeterson Idunno man, I've done a lot of digging, and it definitely seems like the majority people have stopped supporting the project. From twitter, Instagram, facebook, tumblr and discord. It is rare to find supporters of the film, such as yourself.
With even people on the very project such as story board artists, vfx artists and even actors coming out and talking about it and their disappointment.
It's gotten so bad that I doubt Gavin will ever be able to fund another movie again, let alone work in the film business in general.
Controversy like this sticks. Even if he is 100% in the right, his reputation is permanately ruined. One google of his name or the project will lead straight to the controversy.
And thanks to all the memes and shitposting, his version of Spider-Man will forever be remembered as "The Racist Spider-Man"
@@CoffeeholicAlien Yeah. And that’s the sad part about all this. Even if somebody like me isn’t offended by the things he or Warden has said in the past, people out there will look at that as disgusting and unforgivable. Yeah he definitely needs to be held accountable. But, in a way, I almost kinda feel bad for him. Warden too for that matter. It’s like you said, stuff like this sticks and idk if those two will ever find work again in the film industry. People will read about this whole controversy and reject both Gavin and Warden just because of it.
I’m all for someone trying to change and get out of their toxic bubble. We all used to use those terrible words and 15/20 years ago. If he’s trying let him. His true actions will reveal itself in time.
People who cancel others because of a creators past mistakes are pathetic. It’s just really sad because it makes it out like no one can change as a person
Yeah well if there's one thing I learned, the people who go out of their way to cancel other people are typically pretty awful themselves. It's usually done out of pettiness rather than any sort of good intentions and everyone is always so quick to jump on the bandwagon.
Did you watch the video? Some of it is recent
@@zmomoney4529 I’m talking about every other creator cancelled for behavior that were acceptable years ago. Notice how my original comment wasn’t talking exclusively to him.
Anyone can change as a person. However as another creator has said, not everyone has a racist phase as a teenager and such isn’t normal. Especially when Google is literally free and being a decent human being isn’t that hard to do. These screenshots are also recent and Gavin along with Warden have either been still saying these harmful phrases or just haven’t matured at all. The Green Goblin actor also hasn’t apologized either in any way.
@@sentaisyn2094 You really don't get how this world works do you? How old are you? What have you been through? Who are you to sit so high and mighty up in your chair of ideological virtue that you can look at someone who was a LITERAL TEENAGER and declare him unrighteous? Get tf outta here with that crap. It's pathetic.
I now believe that people can never ever change. I am so glad that these people are being punished for stuff they said when it was more socially acceptable. I'm so glad that we will hang mistakes that these people have made over their heads forever and I hope we all can have our past misdeeds ruin our lives as well 🙄
Fr I hate Twitter
Exactly god I hate these people that bring up the past
twiter
My great great great grandfather killed a Vietnamese soldier
Racism
Guess my bloodline is cancelled :(
when was socially acceptable to say the n word as a white dude and it not be
racist???
The homie Matt was the true villain hiding in the shadows. Like a snake, waiting for the right moment to strike.
I think I am for one sad sad, I'm really glad you made this video essay but right now I feel put down since this is a major fumble for spider-man lotus.
Honestly, I think people are looking too much into it. I mean, fuck, if they wanna play edgy on their private messages, where it doesn't really affect anyone, fine. It's not uncommon for that to happen, I mean, fuck, people with big platforms enable the use of certain words through exposure. Look at Idubbbz, Filthy Frank, etcetera. People can joke around with those things, it's not really aimed to hurt anyone imo, it's just cringy jokes made in the heat of the moment, people laugh, it goes by, no one really gives it a second thought. Should they? Probably, yeah, but then again, shouldn't the people feeling offended by jokes made between close friends, not meant to ever be seen by other people also give that a second thought? Who really hurt them? The guy talking to his friends privately or the guy who decided the entire world had to see that?
I think we should just stop ruining lives based on things people said in Middle School and High School. Like Y'all don't really support that do you? I'm just saying in general this cancel culture is getting out of hand.
I mean bro people do dumb ahit qhen your 14 or 15. Like it's silly. They are gonna start canceling people from shit they did when they were toddlers
@@thefatman69dude don’t call people dumb when you can’t even spell correctly :v
thank you! finally someone understands! 🙏
It’s like James Gunn. He was fired from Disney because Tweets he make from 15 years ago resurfaced (which were also a joke). Although he was rehired
How old was Gavin and Wayne when they made those comments?
Its a dark day when our value as human beings is undercut by shit we said as kids. No one is perfect, and to virtue signal and character assassinate like this is fundamentally hypocritical. What the world needs is grace to alow people to grow and change and not to destroy people in a vain attempt at "justice"
Man. This all went downhill when a 15 year old boy had felt betrayed and lied to ever since he was 9 years old. That really is some petty shit, lmao. Tbh honest tho, I don’t know whether this could be considered cancel culture, or the people involved rightfully paying the consequences. Because I’m not offended by the things either Gavin or Warden has said. At the end of the day those were just a few stupid, cringy messages that were said years ago and hold no real weight. That being said, I know some people are legitimately offended by those messages(which like he said, some of them could’ve been faked. So let’s not pretend all of it was the real deal). I just wanna say that, even tho both Warden and Gavin learned their lessons, came out and apologized, we as people gotta move on and not let dumb shit like that bring us down. There are other more terrible things happening in this world. A couple people being outed for stupid little causally racist messages isn’t something we should be losing our minds over. But that’s just me. Hope both of those dudes continue to learn and grow from their mistakes. Feel bad for the rest of the crew, now they all gotta put up with the fact that the movie they’re attached to is probably gonna be forever tied to racism.
As a poc, I feel kinda betrayed because I looked up to Gavin but never meet your heroes they do deserve to be called out because the messages were from not just years but a year ago also. I just hope both of those dudes continue to learn and grow from their mistakes. It's ancient history now and unless something else comes up let's not worry about it.
@@Legend-io4pz They never said anything in a racist way though. They just said the words the same way a black dude would. Gotta look at the context not just the word
@@arc4859 Him saying it, no matter the context, it’s still racist. And even if it wasn’t he still said a lot of homophobic and xenophobic shit. Gavin is an asshole
@@arc4859 you've got to be joking right
@@lukar7306 Does context not matter when it comes to speech?
This was a well-informed video it sucks because I feel kinda betrayed. I looked up to Gavin (Yes some of them are fake but the ones that are real range from years to last year). I just hope both of those dudes continue to learn and grow from their mistakes. It's ancient history now and unless something else comes up let's not worry about it.
I think the first guy was in the right since he said that he regrets his past behaviour and I can tell exactly what his situation was, he was just young and surrounded himself with shitty people, and then grew up and realised he was wrong. I think the second guy was a bit of an ass though cause he threw his friend under the bus and grandstanded while knowing damn well he did the exact same thing he criticized him for.
@@goofygoober3443 yeah i agree with this to
i went to school with Gavin J Konop it was definitely believable he said these things tbh
The kid coming out and saying he was the leak is the ultimate “it was me, Barry”
A spiteful and jealous 15-year-old derailing this project is the ultimate buzzkill that makes me actually have some sympathy for the “exposed” people involved with the project. This wasn’t revealed by one of the fellow cast/crew members or by someone seeking true justice against the insensitive statements. This was a childish little brat who was mad that his “hero” outgrew him and wanted revenge. All the bs about not seeing the problem at the moment and such is just a method of covering himself from blame. It’s no coincidence that he held onto those screenshots for 6 years and only *just* decided to release them. If he truly cared about the things that were said, he would’ve never let the project progress as far as it did, instead of waiting for the anticipation of its release to build
That kid wanted to f up the movie so he waited until the movie was almost done to do this. Truly a evil person. Not defending Gavin and Warden, but man he could have sent those screenshots sooner and all the money wouldn't have been wasted
i feel bad for the vfx and production team who were not involved in these mistakes and bs but im not gonna lie it's kinda hillarious and badass how he waited all these years to leak it lolll maybe i just find it funny cause me and the kid are the exact same age
You say "another video essay" but not only is this the first video essay I have seen on the subject, but it's also the first time I ever even heard of something called Spider-Man: Lotus.
Only reason I clicked this video is because I like Spider-Man but I have no clue what Spider-Man: Lotus is, so I was intrigued.
ah, I see it's a bunch of eye rolling drama.
Oh I can go all the way to separate the art from the artist. I don't care what anyone said or did. If it's a good film, then it's a good film. I don't care what anyone involved said or did.
Actually funny that you should say "separate the art from the artist" because I was going to say the in my previous comment reply before I shortened it to just calling it eye rolling drama.
Interesting, it just popped up in your home feed because you watch Spidey content?
@@DarkspiderDavid91 same for me
this is an incredible video! im heartbroken about the outcome of Lotus. great work mate
yeah this is overblown, these dudes don't need this level of cancelling.
Imagine being judged in your twenties for things you said in your teens
Honestly I didn’t hear about drama until last week, I rather watch film without worrying about issues , people in actual media do a lot worse
Now that's a dumb comment, just because some people do worse shit it doesn't mean you should ignore other bad and stupid shit people do.
Agreed, I mean yeah sure they said bad stuff or whatever but I'm curious how this movie will look. If it's bad then meh, if it's good then cool.
@@tappajavittu True, but there are hundreds of people already bringing justice to the directors, so one more person fighting and being surrounded by toxicity won't do any more good, might as well enjoy a project that has been worked on by other people that aren't racist.
@@tappajavittu your name is corpse sniffer lol
@@tappajavittu i think hes saying that other people still go to watch blockbusters from hollywood individuals who do worse shit, so piling up on an independent creator is kind of a hypocritical thing
The world we live in doesn't help any of this situation. Everyone is crazy.
Apologies...Apologies....Apologies....so tired of people apologizing.....holding people accountable for things said 15 years ago bruuuuuuuuhhhhh
If I had a dime for every Fan Film “Crowd Funded”/Kick Starter fiasco, I would be able to make a Studio Quality Million Dollar Fan Film myself lel
5:54 my man censored "mexican"
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*WHO'S THE REAL HATEFUL PERSON?*
The host of the presentation was 100% correct when he said it's all about how you treat people. That's how you can tell if you want to work with someone or not. But I still wouldn't want to ruin someone's life if I found out they treated someone mean using only words. In fact I tell my children do not ever give someone power over them and show them that they are upset by words used. When you do that the asshole who used the words wins.
Anyway...
I do not believe that a 15-year-old wrote that letter and I do not believe that they kept it since they were 9 years old.
And no I didn't say that I don't believe that's possible because of course it's possible. But I guarantee you we will not see proof in any way shape or form, not evidence, but proof; that a 15-year-old wrote the letter and was bothered by it so much and kept all this pent up rage from age 9.
We live in a world where people are insensitive. I grew up as a kid, teenager and now I'm in my late 40s and I still get racist stuff said to me; some of it from people I am friends with and some from people I love. I have also said things that weren't exactly savory, also to people I love.
However I come from a time and live a life right now where I am way too stressed out with real life stuff and way too busy with my family and with my job to be upset by words that someone said LONG AGO, especially when they were a child.
I think this subject is so stupid and embarrassing of a thing for this many people to be in an uproar about to the point of trying to cancel an entire project that was made of someone's lifelong passion and dreams.
More, I guarantee you the main goal of this takedown has nothing to do with bigotry of any kind and has to do with jealousy and hatred because there is a certain sector of people online who basically come to the point of orgasm when they can try to ruin someone's life.
Those people do not have a busy life.
Those people do not have families that they take care of. Those people do not have jobs that they are constantly busy with which have a lot of responsibility etc.
If any of what I said wasn't true then they wouldn't be so mean and hateful. THINK ABOUT IT; have you gone your whole life never forgiving anything anyone has ever said to you and just try to ruin their life? The answer is no unless you are a psycho.
THINK THINK ABOUT IT; have you ever been so hurt and bothered by someone who you will never meet your whole life, saying something about a demographic quality that you happen to share? So upset that you want to destroy them in every possible way save from murder? Of course not unless you are a psycho.
After all what kind of a hateful person do you have to be to make that much of an effort to try to take someone else down???
honestly, the internet just makes everything worse sometimes. the man just wanted to make a fan-film, based on his favorite superhero. but no, there had to controversy. I'm still gonna watch this because, I feel that I will enjoy SPIDER-MAN: Lotus despite all of the drama behind it. Gavin put a lot of thought into his project, it would awful to see it go to waste. So for anyone out there who sees this comment, please go see spider -man lotus when and if it comes out.
Don’t worry I will. I will also watch Spider-Man 4.
He still sucks and lotus looks like it's gonna be bad either way
@@TacoMan850 oh well, everyone has there own opinion
As someone who runs my own film studio this whole situation has definitely taught me how easy it is to ruin your own career and all it takes is one wrong message, it’s a shame to see but atleast people like myself can take away valuable lessons from it
Ayo hmu let's make a psychological horror movie or drama 💀
Joking (partly) I'm getting into the film industry and I've made sure my slate is clean and I don't say the wrong words to make people assume bad of me xD
Matt is really petty honestly. Just because he wasn't your friend anymore, you're going to ruin his life? That's just sad.
Exactly
Reverse Flash levels of pettiness.
That’s what happens when you give a 9 year old unlimited access to the media of todays age.
Damn, old tweets took out an entire project lol.
Old tweets / mindless sheep who blindly hate anyone who says anything slightly non PC
So in summary: Words hurt, boo-hoo, two guys got cancelled for things they said when they were younger and the people that exposed them blew it out of proportion and now their lives are ruined. People memeing about those tweets can't detach from the actual film. No physical harassment or violence, just a bunch of old dumb tweets. First world problems in the modern day, lol.
However, not paying the storyboard artist is not okay.
I don't want to dismiss some of the things Wayne and Konop have said, but other actors have done far worse to warrant disdain like with what happened to Amber Heard or Ezra Miller.
@@Iobsterpeterson Okay, someone needs to speak out against this hysteria. I swear, I've seen so many people and UA-camrs from my generation getting caught and exposed saying racist/homophobic words back when it was considered okay when they were still teens or younger and it genuinely pisses me off people making it out like it's some sort of tragedy that happened.
If people aren't more sensitive this generation, then I can't imagine what will it will be like in the future when people will be slandered for saying the most mild of insults to people and they will be saying they were traumatized and had a PTSD experience from or whatever ridiculous nonsense.
I get the impression that nobody realizes how truly fallible everyone is of making mistakes in their life especially when they're young and naïve and will jump to great lengths to morally shame them for said mistakes.
@@doclouis4236 I wouldnt be surprised, in fact, you're pretty much right. New gens are def getting more sensitive, because now there's a "trend" going around involving Sexual Assault OVER VIDEO GAMES!! Yes, there are people out here, mainly on tiktok, actually saying that they are severely traumatized and have extreme ptsd due to being T-Bagged while taking a loss over a video game. Its honestly shocking that this is a thing, and they're being dead serious.
@@darthnutsack6717 Oh my lord.
@@darthnutsack6717 yeah we’re going downhill
this is the best take on the situation
Thanks for this video, one of the few on UA-cam that had a useful lesson for me. I am an aspiring film director, and I’ll be sure to remember this for years to come.
I’m super excited for this fan film. I don’t give a crap about what somebody said years ago when they were in high school
*im gonna be the devils advocate but y’all are too sensitive on the cast members personal life and mistakes but yea either way I’ll check the movie out and judge it as a film and ignore whatever tf they did in real life*
Thank you
You just pointed out what I needed to know for starting a fan film
For those who don't know there's an interview with the spider man actor Warden Wayne at SGP Studios it should definitely clear some stuff up about all of this crazy situation i recommend it
Imagine attempting to ruin someone’s life over something they said when they were 14 fucking years old
You only have 2.3k subs, but based on this video, I just know you're gonna blow up really soon. Your commentary, your mic and camera quality, your filming set, and your personality are all super entertaining. Here before 100K, and here long after! Much love
Oh and uh, I'm an aspiring actor with a lot to prove. If you ever need an actor, for anything, hmu
Thank you so much, I appreciate comments like this, made my night!
Did these people really try to cancel someone from something they said when they were 14? This is stupid... this makes it harder for people to take real issues of race harder.
The worst punishment someone should receive for words they used as an adolescent/teen is “you shouldn’t have said that when you were younger”. A majority of young people don’t understand the things they are saying and the consequences that could come with it, until they are older and can reflect on it. I’d compare it to watching a shitty movie as a child, and enjoying the hell out of it- then rewatching it as an adult and feeling the shame of once enjoying a movie that you now realize is absolute garbage.
Oh jeez, it's such a shame to hear about what happened to this project. I was really looking forward to it too!
Sounds like the director had a massive ego problem, and that alone would have ruined the experience for all those involved.
But it's incredibly ridiculous to me that a project based on Spider-Man of all characters is the one plagued by cancel culture.
People can make mistakes. They can do dumb and stupid things and they can hurt people.
Some people are so angry at the word and apathetic to other people's problems that they let a mugger run free and kill their uncle.
How does no one attached to this project or who is a fan of this project and the character recognize the main lesson of the entire franchise? I wonder would people exiling an actor for things he said years ago in ignorance treat Spider-Man the same way over Uncle Ben?
Peter Parker made mistakes. Massive ones that hurt those closest to him. And he spends every day of his life trying to make up for those mistakes and trying to change and be a better person. Would you deny calling him a hero, despite all those he's saved, because one time in the past he did the wrong thing? I don't. And I wouldn't.
It doesn't make racist language excusable by any means. But to believe that people can't change, grow, and learn is just as ignorant as that wrong behavior.
I find it hilarious how a few tweets made ages ago can ruin your life smh
We really living in bizarro world lol
Delete your Twitter accounts and make the world a better place
some of his tweets were pretty recent??
I've always said this: Separate the art from the artist. Not only that, but the fact that these things that people are pissed off about happened decades ago makes it all the more absurd. Can't people change? Is redemption no longer a thing? Sure, what they both said wasn't right, but that comes with the territory (immaturity, upbringings, etc.). They have no excuse, but they've pretty much facilitated the exposure of their past. The guy who posted this, the literal child who leaked the messages is more immature than they were for holding a grudge for so long. The motives of the leaker weren't even altruistic, he just knew that people would be angry enough that they'd shit on Warden and Konop. Besides, if Warden and/or Gavin abandoned the kid so easily, that just begs the question: what did HE do that made him worthwhile to any of them? Little to nothing, given the circumstances. As for the "influence" Matt received, it's all a chain. It's stupid to blame him for his upbringings, that's like judging someone for their race (does that ring any bells?). Once again, I repeat: separate the art from the artist.
Just listening to the way they tried the damage control proves they could give two shits about what was said. I don’t know why comments that were completely acceptable at the time being over sensationalized though. I guarantee you that most of the people ragging on him for his homophobic and racist comments said the exact same shit as him in their own pasts. The world is full of hypocrisy.
Because they know it's all in the past & has nothing to do with the present or how they treat people today but they have to say something because all these softies can't comprehend that you can say fucked up things without them defining you
Yup I cannot tell you tye amount if people in middle school who were edgy and said homophobic things and even racist things even if they didn't believe in it just cause they wanted to fit in yes they should be held accountable but not for the rest of their lives
@@SoapCkat Wtf do they even need to be held accountable for? If they were kids and they grew up then whats the fucking problem? Unless Gavin was actively using his platform to spread racist and bigoted ideals then I don't see what the fuck the outrage is all about
I’m gonna watch the movie if this was some big budget block Buster I wouldn’t have but it’s not it’s a fan film and multiple people worked on it
Gotta love video essays. Great work man, you 💯 deserve more subs.
Thank you very much, I appreciate it!!
so basically they were toxic on twitter (who isnt?) using swear words :O SUCH A BIG DEAL!!! (YEARS AGO) and then they get mad at them like no one ever makes mistakes, let alone cusses on twitter/tiktok/discord or any other social platform as a teenager. so to me that sounds like its really not that deep tbh.
Hey man great work! I'm not one to be involved in twitter drama, or get really into fan films in general, but your edit here is really nice and I really like what you were saying about the collaborative process of film. Keep it up!
Thank you, I appreciate that!
Dude really just threw his lead actor under the bus and immediately got exposed
Then all the other actors threw him under the bus too lmao
@@jessec.6876 well yeah but they weren't guilty for doing the same thing
@@cameroncothern3218 how do you know that?
I support just releasing it now, i am very curious about this and looked very good for a fan film.
BTW, I'm new to your channel i like it a lot. Ya also look like Garfield a bit.
Really?? Maybe, JUST maybe the hair, but I'll have to ask around to see of others see the resemblance. lmao Thank you for joining the channel!
@@DarkspiderDavid91 The face too. Massive compliment lol
Yeah he does have a resemblance to Andrew Garfield...like a lot
i'm still gonna watch that shit even tho i dont fuck with the director. also the team put in alot of work and the vfx artist put in alot of work also and they didnt know what bitch they were working for they just wanted to get paid. if i knew who gavin really was and i was a vfx artist you gon have to pay me around 100k to edit a 30 second animated fight scene 50k extra if you wan't me to put my heart into it and try to make it look like a hollywood made movie
You’re cool
@@alexhassestunts thanks
I’m so sick of hearing apologies after someone gets called out. You’re not sorry you did it, you’re sorry you got caught
You should just not say sorry at all 🐱
That’s the Chad way
@@adctw3422 you’re arguing to a point I never made. I never said the movie should be cancelled because I understand it wasn’t just these two involved. I’m saying that they only said sorry after they got called out, instead of coming forward themselves and saying “yea I did this in my past and I absolutely disagree with it now”. It may be genuine but it comes across as just saving face
Back in junior high, there was a new kid who got bullied more than I did. I joined in because I didn’t wanna get bullied again. Years later I found the kid on Facebook and sent him a message apologizing for what I did.
What you’re saying is, I should have contacted the local news stations and set up a press conference to publicly apologize for what I did 13 years ago. Because who knows, in the future I might be in the spotlight for something and someone might look into my past and see that. But if I were to admit what I did and apologize, it would be disingenuous 🙄
@@alejandrovallencci the reaction would’ve been the same regardless lmao.
@@SoloDoloSpaceman Exactly this.
at this point i think i just have to laugh at how the internet echoes everything a thousand times and blows it out of proportion so much that its ridiculous. the "actors" apologizing as if the whole livelyhood of a community was affected beyond repair. we truly need to touch some grass
Yeah because racial slurs aren’t important or anything
0:00 it’s kinda terrifying when you see yourself in the first second of a recommended controversial UA-cam video.😂😂😂
Yoooo!!! If it means anything, you had a great question any filmmaker is always up to answer.
I just want to watch it still
everyone is judging the director because of his past as if everyone is so innocent and never said anything wrong when they were young. guys it's the art that we should appreciate not the artist
You just earned a subscription😉 keep up the good work man you deserve all the recognition you get!!
Thank you, you're a legend!
That 15 year old is a true supervillain I love it
hes a hero not a villan he let us know who tf we were truly watching.
@@flawdafunkz954 lmao that kid is truly pathetic and childish, all of this just because his friend didnt make his fanfiction
@@flawdafunkz954 i guarantee you that the people you love watching from hollywood and such are far more depraved than this lad could ever be. You're a child if you think vilifying someone for mistakes he made when he was young is okay. Or shall we dig up your past too? How about the pasts of those you love? Father, mother, siblings? No? Don't wanna?
This entire episode is ridiculous and insulting to the intellect. I'll watch the movie and if it's good, i'll tell the director how much. What i won't do is add to the pile on when i believe in mankind's capability to change and grow.
@@Charleroi92 he was in high school which is not long ago for him. if he was like in elementary or younger i could understand but he knew what he was doing and anyone could say a fake sorry and not mean it
@@flawdafunkz954 the time passed is not the issue so much as experience and maturity. When you're in high school, you're only trying out the whole "being a person" thing, not to mention being a good one. Now I'm not condoning anything he's said by any stretch, but that shouldn't exclude his film from consideration by viewers. Especially for the sake of the many people who worked on it who had nothing to do with this stupid ordeal.
Definitely subscribing, what a high quality video, hope the algorithm picks up your video even more.
Thank you, appreciate the wishes!
RIP Spiderman: Lotus.
They all deserved imo, feel sorry for the people working on it that were innocent tho.
Also people need to realise that not all of this was years ago, some of the Gavin and other actors stuff were reeeeaally recent.
Honestly the movie has left me with so many conflicting feelings now I don’t know how to feel. It’s going to be hard to separate the art from the artist with this one considering how personal it was for the creator.
Yikes is all I can say. How tf did they find those messages on a bunch of effectively nobodies ? No offense to them, but they aren't Tom Holland or Toby maguire level famous not even close, so how the fuck did people find those messages? Holy shit.
I remember when the first official poster came out and people started to say that the movie is too white and boring. I first thought thats because the adapted the pre Miles era well i was wrong.
Even though I've had this problem and all this controversy, I still don't think that all the main characters being white is a problem if they were that way originally.
But yeah, no one expected all this to be revealed from the production guys, and to have such compromising statements...
There’s a DM of him saying that was the point of the fan film
As a fellow film student.
I enjoyed hearing your stories, I have had to deal with horrible egos and it’s good to know I’m not the only one.
If there’s evidence he still does it then there’s a problem if it was just when he was a teenager it’s bad but get over it
Funny because a friend and I had a similar experience with a film school student who thought he was the next Nolan back in 2016. We were asked to help out with his own Marvel vs DC character fight inspired by Batinthesun's Super Power Beat Down and things went horribly wrong. First he got mad because my friend being a martial artist and me having some martial arts but mostly a boxing background couldn't his words "effectively deliver our lines", like duh. He would through a fit because the choreography we made wasn't to his liking for being too fast and want us to come up with another fight had way through shooting in about an hour. All in all it was time experience and from that day I was deterred from ever working on any fan film projects.
Wishing you the best in your prospects, dude!
🎶Where did I go wrong, I lost a friend…🎶
Irony at it’s finest.
Ngl That Matt Has Same Vibes As Kid In Incredibles...
This isn’t really a video essay but nice job.
Then what is it?
@@aweirdredtoad3637 more like a drama video. Like an essay has a thesis and then brings up evidence to support that thesis through analysis and deep dives. All this guy did was talk about what happened between the cast members and all the apologies and everything.
@@gago7823 Video essays usually analyize specific topics or themes relating to film or television that is relevant as it comments on film in its own language. It's not actually like a written essay.
@@aweirdredtoad3637 i know that. A thesis statement can still be used in a video essay. I was waiting for him to bring up like a larger over arching theme about fan films or maybe Spider-Man fans or something but he just listed out the bad stuff that the crew did and showed their apologies and called it a video essay.
@@gago7823 Yes I understand that, but he was specifically describing about the controversy pertaining to the crew and the aftermath to their apologies.
Bro I and most of my mates would be in prison if we were held accountable for words we said when we were 15, people really act like maturity is a human instinct and not a learning curve
Not going to lie I used to legitimately belive non pure German people should be purged I'm including non german whites and germans or german descended people who weren't fully german even if they were white. It's something I genuinely believed and regularly spouted shit about especially online from when I was 13 to 18
Have to disagree on the film school stuff it sounds to me he wanted to make the most of his time at film school to me it seems like he must of been taking the project seriously and cast the best people for the job.
The costume looks so good it's why I clicked the video and sean thomas reed is the spitting image of harry osborn
It’s gonna be picked up by the Daily Wire and made into a film about cancel culture
BROOO IT DIDNT STOP LITERALLY BRUH he would stop talking about one of the actors and id be like “oh damn i hope they grow from that” BUT THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ACTOR WITH A CONTROVERSY “ok ok that’s a bit overwhelming, surely that’s it-“ NOPE THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE and i’m just sitting there like “bruh JUST STOP”
This lead actor is just like any other teenage guy growing up trying to be funny. You learn as you get older. I'm sick of people hopping on the cancel culture train cuz they have nothing else to do.
I find this entire situation very sad. How a whole project fell to pieces due to two people and their racist behaviour. This entire situation is horrible. My heart is broken for those who were victims of this behaviour. Absolutely heartbreaking. Any form of racism is purely disgusting.
Take care all ♥️
Even if the person grew up and are regretful? This whole situation was Bron out of pettiness they should be held accountable but not be hanged for it for the rest of their lives
Judging people for what they said as teenagers isnt okay, otherwise every teenager should be put in prison because they say and do fucked up things all the time, people are so isolated now they forget these things
0:51 “AN EMISSARY FROM HELL, SPIDER-MAN!” I LOVE JAPANESE SPIDER-MAN THE OPENING THEME AMD ENDING THEME ARE AMAZING (pun wasn’t intended)
And nothing of value was lost.
Except all that pledged money haha
Ppl are honestly over reacting it’s not like he called someone the hard R twitter is so self righteous& the users hold people to unrealistic standards… like the guy apologized what more do u want lmao. Nothing he could have done could redeem him. They want people to be dragged down as miserable as they are
Look what they said was wrong but demonizing and cutting off people that said stupid shit when they hadn’t even finished puberty is the dumbest thing in the modern day, especially when over half of those people crapping on them are just as guilty when they were at a similar age. They apologized and owned up to it, judge them for who they are now not when they were so young they couldn’t even drive💀
Twittards are gonna have a midlife crisis when they hit 30 realizing they didn't do anything with their lives except cancel people for words
"its just a word miles, you people say it all the time"
-Spiderman lotus
The fact that people judge adults based on what they said as teenagers is insane.
Lol, they were teenagers over the age of 16, I know that saying slurs is wrong at 13.
You guys act like these people said these comments when they were very young children, they were old enough to understand that what they are saying is wrong they aren't completely clueless about the world around them lmao
@@Roninberserker that doesn’t matter as they are still a kid it’s not about being old enough to understand something is wrong it’s that they wouldn’t be as smart and might not even know how to go about with life such as being edgy to fit in and stuff like that I’m pretty sure an adult has less of these problems and even as an adult people can still improve you don’t want people to improve if your saying this
@@boostergold20 whilst yes but there's something called trying to be edgy, so i would not be shocked if that was what happened
@@jasonmillsom2981 I've been edgy yet I still know not to use slurs bc it's wrong??
This whole thing reminds me of the best piece of advice my Dad ever gave me,
‘Don’t be a dick, and things won’t turn to shit’
I always say "Just don't be an a$$hole. Regardless of race, orientation, gender, I don't care, just don't be an a$$hole." A mantra I live by.
@@DarkspiderDavid91 equally valid, Peter Parker would approve
They say ignorant things in private is what can be summed up. There's been no examples of them treating people wrongly in real life through "racism" and "sexism"
Thats..still bad?
@@dudley8933 you've been way too sheltered
It's not people saying words that offend other people for no reason, it's people who get offended over nothing that ruin it. What ever happened to separate the art from the artist? I've worked with some amazingly talented people who were all terrible to be around. Smug, bad-mannered, arrogant, egotistical, but they made some great content. Who cares if someone said the gamer word. How does that affect you?
"You ever hear the Tragedy of Spider-Man Lotus?"
I don't really get why people got this upset at them. Yes, it was some really racist stuff. And yes they should take accountability over it. But they said this when they were in middle to high school, while I get that isn't what most people would do, teenagers do and say the dumbest and most fucked up things. Like 4 years between 15 and 19 is a huge difference in term of maturity.
That being said, yeah I'd probably still watch it. If I'd say no because I feel conflicted about the director or actor, then I'd have to say no to like 70% of all films because some people who worked on those films did some really henious stuff