This is kinda off topic but, when that kid posted all those screenshots about Warden and Gavin, why on earth did he HAVE to wait to do it months after people donated all that money to them. If he wanted to do his “revenge” plan, could have done it WAAAAYYYY before people went on to donate so much money. Also, because of this, the other actors that had no involvement with this whole racist thing are getting hate because they were apart of the film, even the kid actor to. There is nothing good at all that came out of this. This 15 year old kid just created a big problem For both Gavin and Warden AND himself. I understand it was wrong what they said, and I’m not gonna sit here and say it was ok for them to say all that racist stuff cause it wasn’t, but literally the only reason the kid posted all that was to see Gavin fall all because not everything went his way and Gavin didn’t help him with his fan film when he was younger, he just wanted to go out of his way to make him look bad and make everyone hate on him while he’s probably sitting on the other side of the screen with that evil smile and watching all this go down. Now this is just what I think and my opinions on it and what not, if y’all disagree on it that’s fine.
Yeah I don't believe it's fair that the rest of the team who weren't involved with the incident deserve to be affected by this mess. It's like as if they worked so hard for nothing and I can't help it but feel bad for those who weren't involved just wanting to be apart of something potentially great for us fans to enjoy...
Its a Syndrome and Mr. Incredible situation. He looked up to him and the moment his hero got popular he didnt bring him along. So out of revenge he exposed him not because he cared for the community but because he felt betrayed. The real villain is the kid, the kid even admit that he himself said and did Shitty things.
"I have been working hard on it." Kinda makes sense cause his entire VFX team left and he's been doing this all on his own since everyone's left the project.
@@TheRealRiptide01 Tbf many of the actors abandoned the project out of fear for their careers, but also is Gavin not the only individual editing this project? It's not wrong for him to say that he's been working hard on it if that's the case.
I think the costume designers said it best. Other people have put so much work and effort into this project, it'd be a shame to see all that hard work go to waste because of the past actions of two people. They also said they're scared to be proud of their work on this film because they think they'll be associated with racism. Cancel culture has honestly gotten a bit out of hand
It’s not cancel culture when some of it was recent lmao people blame cancel culture on everything ( I don’t use twitter) i feel like most people are mad a shitty fan film won’t come out it was probably not going to be good anyway (by the trailer)
I won’t be surprised if Lotus just gets completely cancelled. No way the film’s getting released after everything that happened. It’s a shame cause it had potential, but of course the people who worked on it had to be a bunch of dirtbags.
he didn’t run… not only did he post in his youtube’s community tab but he also confirmed through instagram dm’s with a guy that the project is still indeed happening and updates will be going to his youtube channel when he has more updates
@@DarkspiderDavid91 was kinda busy so tbh no not yet but i was just directing the info to the people in the comments for reassurance the film is happening still that’s all
@@salitary defensive much? Lmfao Also, why do you care if he didn’t/did run? You providing explanations like we can’t see he’s providing updates via his YT account…It’s still gonna fail cause it’s a shit show. Even without the controversy. Y’all are quick to defend a mf who is obviously in the wrong…weirdo
@@SawdEndymon probably cause it was getting filled with hate comments and a bunch of crap people been throwing at him, and probably just didn’t want to deal with all that rn and just wanted to focus on the film
The fact that he said he's the only one who has been working on it. I see it as lots of people who worked on the film has left like the vfx artist, the person putting the next trailer and lots of others so now it's all him. But he did have help throughout the whole thing so yeah he should've said we have but people who left said they won't be tied to the project anymore but will still keep the stuff they contributed
“I have been working hard on it.” just means he’s the only one that’s been working on the edit since the drama. I was literally on the phone with him when he posted that I promise you he’s not the egotistical director I think you think he is.
i forgive him you can tell he really loves spider-man i refuse to ruin a mans passion project over a few offensive words you can hate on me if you want but people make mistakes
@Rangeet Ch.Lahiri fr bro people are hating on this guy as if he’s not still a kid and the people hating/saying slurs aren’t mistakes clearly think they haven’t made a mistake they can take accountability for in their lives
I mean I am glad that he's suffering for this but honestly, this seems unfair to the people who Actually put effort in this film at first I was against the film seeing the light of day, yet now thinking about the innocent animators and crew people, yeah I kinda wanna see it just for their part in this.
What a shit situation. There's nobody to root for here. This'll go down in Internet History as something to learn from, think the Projard accusations. Don't give thousands to a couple teens/young adults. Properly vet these people. Don't hold onto these messages for multiple years. I know there's still promises of updates & such, but I just don't think this is salvageable. There comes a point when you should throw in the towel. If the film comes out - and disappoints - they're made the situation so much worse. If the film comes out - and impresses - it's still handicapped by controversy. There's no winning for the crew anymore. They're gone - they stepped away. This comes out, it's poison to their careers. They're forever linked directly by the 'racist Spider-Man' and that's horrible press anyway you look at it. I'd let the film die quietly & run with the remaining cash. I expect that's exactly what will happen over the coming months - because this is over.
If you ever see 100K in cash - run for your fucking life & don't stop. That is an amount of money most people will never have in their hands. That is an amount of money to negate everything. Fuck your parents, your girlfriend & pet. If they had 100K, they'd stupid not to run with it. That's enough money to last you a lifetime, if you're smart with it. Stop somewhere far & live off that. Chuck it into Apple or Gold piece by piece & don't say a fucking word. 10/20 years later - cash out & you're a taxed millionaire so long as you keep quiet. You've won life. Beaten it entirely. My warning is this: if you see the opportunity, a real opportunity, do it. Morals means nothing when you're buried.
And yet... Y'all love Kevin feige... He literally stated something about that his mistake was making heterosexual white males as heroes... 💀 He also fucked up almost every superhero since phase 4
Actually berkmanboom is up again on twitter with a new account with the bio "the real one" and the latest post being "i am back". Not sure if that's really him or not.
They said bad things years ago? Why are people disgusted about that to the point where they disassociate with them? Haven't we learned from James Gunn?
@@icanseemywife So what? Every single one of those people who cancel them said shit like that in their lives too. Who cares, I just want to watch the film. And also it was in the past. Why are we holding people "accountable" for shit they said in their past and obviously don't stand by or believe anymore? On Twitter no one is good, you have one strike and you're out. Nobody can change and nobody deserves a second chance...
@@icanseemywife also even if those guys are "bad people", welcome to 99.9 percent of Hollywood. Everyone is a dick, we still watch and support their movies tho.
This is an L take. Of course he doesn’t want to put up with all the hate in his comments or on Twitter. Nobody would. That doesn’t mean he’s running. Also, he said “I” in the post because Gavin is doing everything alone now. Everyone quit and now he’s trying to get a final project out. Don’t assume and make up stuff to fit some narrative.
it's not a good move, but he doesn't have choice either, from my perspective, looking at his personality, he needs to deact or even just gone from it cause he can't bear it.. and yes, the film is still need to be release because a lot of people working on it, people money involve in it, if a lot of people then go, that's on him to handle....
I never liked Gavin from the start. I always had a feeling. I think this whole drama is so stupid. It just feel like cancel culture. Like who cares, honestly dude. Big deal. It’ll pass and no one will care ever again, so why care SOOOO MUCH now??? I swear people these days love to feel offended and angry and sensitive about everything. That kid is being a pain for everyone. And Gavin and warrden are being AWFUL role models. Case closed, next.
He could've gotten away scot-free with a decent apology. But when it started leaking about the director & other actor as well - it all went to shit. Their apologises were dogshit tier & made things worse.
@@kiratherenegade1561 apologizing just makes it worse and everyone will assume your bullshitting no matter what. bro just shouldn't have brought any attention to it and everyone would've forgotten b/c they're too busy "canceling" someone else for their past like the desperate social justice warrior they are. everyone would've forgotten. it didn't fix anything. they just wanna feel better about themselves for putting others down for dumb shit in their past or dumb humor or idiotic behavior. cant even say this without being canceled myself and being called a "defender" smh I'm just not with the bs trend of "cancel culture" 24/7 the world is sunshine and rainbows and we need to abolish all bad. we truly live in a society.
@@eggsandwhichian Sometimes yeah. But this was apology worthy - he needed to clarify he wasn't a racist person otherwise the issue would've expanded much larger. Because of the 2 poor proceeding apologies, that's exactly what happened.
@@kiratherenegade1561 Lmao no he fucking wouldn't have gone off scot free if he gave a "decent apology". People on twitter WANT to persecute and harrass people, and they'll use any excuse to do it. No apology would have made people forgive and forget.
I don't think it's a surprise that he deactivated his twitter account and all of his social media. The human brain isn't meant to deal with hundreds of thousands of people insulting and persecuting you for your past behavior. In fact, good on him Twitter is a hellscape of a site anyways. I'm honestly more concerned with his mental health rather than the optics of the situation. Also, with respect, I do think that you're overreacting and being nit-picky in regard to the "I have been working hard on it" line. If I'm not mistaken, is Gavin not the only individual whose working on editing this project? If that's the case then there's nothing wrong with him stating that he's actively working hard on it. To me that line wasn't meant to be an ego boost that disregarded the work of everyone else but was rather meant to reassure people that the project is still happening and underway. Since this project does seem to give you views, a live reaction and a final video essay reviewing the film/ wrapping up the controversy would be good for your channel!
Right, so let me start off by saying this... You wanna know where he is (or at the very least where he's going) like you ask in the video? He's probably leaving. Doubt he's running, doubt he's evading... he's probably just leaving. He'll probably release the video. He'll probably supply the rest of the perks to the backers. And he'll probably just leave after that. Why? Cuz what else is there to do? People can't change. He's a terrible person. He should rot, right? And the other thing I wanted to get out there is that he most likely used "I'm working hard" considering he's the only one left that wants to be associated with the movie in any capacity, like, you understand that right? Who the f*ck else is gonna help finish it? He's probably still editing it himself, doing the vfx himself, rendering or whatever the f*ck y'know I mean bruv? He's talking about the present, not the past. Others DID work hard on the movie, MONTHS ago. Quick rant. I just find bullying kids funny
This is kinda off topic but, when that kid posted all those screenshots about Warden and Gavin, why on earth did he HAVE to wait to do it months after people donated all that money to them. If he wanted to do his “revenge” plan, could have done it WAAAAYYYY before people went on to donate so much money. Also, because of this, the other actors that had no involvement with this whole racist thing are getting hate because they were apart of the film, even the kid actor to. There is nothing good at all that came out of this. This 15 year old kid just created a big problem For both Gavin and Warden AND himself. I understand it was wrong what they said, and I’m not gonna sit here and say it was ok for them to say all that racist stuff cause it wasn’t, but literally the only reason the kid posted all that was to see Gavin fall all because not everything went his way and Gavin didn’t help him with his fan film when he was younger, he just wanted to go out of his way to make him look bad and make everyone hate on him while he’s probably sitting on the other side of the screen with that evil smile and watching all this go down. Now this is just what I think and my opinions on it and what not, if y’all disagree on it that’s fine.
100% agree
I agree that he should have done it earlier.
Yeah I don't believe it's fair that the rest of the team who weren't involved with the incident deserve to be affected by this mess. It's like as if they worked so hard for nothing and I can't help it but feel bad for those who weren't involved just wanting to be apart of something potentially great for us fans to enjoy...
Its a Syndrome and Mr. Incredible situation. He looked up to him and the moment his hero got popular he didnt bring him along. So out of revenge he exposed him not because he cared for the community but because he felt betrayed. The real villain is the kid, the kid even admit that he himself said and did Shitty things.
@@MugenLord Exactly, and that’s the point I was trying to make, he didn’t care, all he wanted was revenge and that was it
Personally, I’m glad I decided to donate money to Dade Elza’s “Mystery Incorporated” instead of Lotus.
The pilot episode was pretty cool ngl
"I have been working hard on it." Kinda makes sense cause his entire VFX team left and he's been doing this all on his own since everyone's left the project.
Everyone left the project? Where’s your source?
@@TheRealRiptide01 Tbf many of the actors abandoned the project out of fear for their careers, but also is Gavin not the only individual editing this project? It's not wrong for him to say that he's been working hard on it if that's the case.
I think the costume designers said it best. Other people have put so much work and effort into this project, it'd be a shame to see all that hard work go to waste because of the past actions of two people. They also said they're scared to be proud of their work on this film because they think they'll be associated with racism. Cancel culture has honestly gotten a bit out of hand
It’s not cancel culture when some of it was recent lmao people blame cancel culture on everything ( I don’t use twitter) i feel like most people are mad a shitty fan film won’t come out it was probably not going to be good anyway (by the trailer)
@@blackmask2699 so because you think it'd be bad means it doesn't deserve to be released..? and people say the inmates aren't running the asylum....
I won’t be surprised if Lotus just gets completely cancelled. No way the film’s getting released after everything that happened. It’s a shame cause it had potential, but of course the people who worked on it had to be a bunch of dirtbags.
Gavin said on a UA-cam community post that Lotus is still coming out
i highly doubt that all of them are like gavin
he didn’t run…
not only did he post in his youtube’s community tab but he also confirmed through instagram dm’s with a guy that the project is still indeed happening and updates will be going to his youtube channel when he has more updates
You didn't finish watch the video, did you?
@@DarkspiderDavid91 was kinda busy so tbh no not yet but i was just directing the info to the people in the comments for reassurance the film is happening still that’s all
@@DarkspiderDavid91 that’s my bad sorry about that
@@salitary defensive much? Lmfao
Also, why do you care if he didn’t/did run? You providing explanations like we can’t see he’s providing updates via his YT account…It’s still gonna fail cause it’s a shit show. Even without the controversy. Y’all are quick to defend a mf who is obviously in the wrong…weirdo
I'm wondering the same thing and i'm wondering if this film will even come out anymore.
Yeah he posted on his community tab on his channel yesterday saying it is and he is working hard to finish it
@@thearthurmarston9897 still rather strange why he’d deactivate his Twitter.
Are we even getting the merch he offered anymore too?
@@SawdEndymon probably cause it was getting filled with hate comments and a bunch of crap people been throwing at him, and probably just didn’t want to deal with all that rn and just wanted to focus on the film
The fact that he said he's the only one who has been working on it. I see it as lots of people who worked on the film has left like the vfx artist, the person putting the next trailer and lots of others so now it's all him. But he did have help throughout the whole thing so yeah he should've said we have but people who left said they won't be tied to the project anymore but will still keep the stuff they contributed
Those are some... Interesting bot comments down there, eh?
Yes
“I have been working hard on it.” just means he’s the only one that’s been working on the edit since the drama. I was literally on the phone with him when he posted that I promise you he’s not the egotistical director I think you think he is.
He's an egotistical director. That's objective fact.
@@dingkong5034 I certainly don’t agree with his actions but assuming stuff from someone you don’t really know personally is kinda much. 😕
@@Marc25212 fr
@@Marc25212 Thank you Luke
@@JacobWatsonVideos no problem my guy, just makes my heart hurt when someone just goes out of their way to say things they know NOTHING about.
Green Goblin: Can spider-man come out and discriminate!
did you know the person with the yellow flash profile pic twitter is gone? also is that person the 15 year old or is it someone else?
I think it was a Daredevil profile pic but yes.
If he wants to come off Twitter let him like there is a whole controversial situation going on rn
i forgive him you can tell he really loves spider-man i refuse to ruin a mans passion project over a few offensive words you can hate on me if you want but people make mistakes
Are you even black?
@@beesgeetar it's not an accident but it's a mistake
@@beesgeetar let's see what you said in real life, every single one line you said to anyone. 💀
Fr it’s a past mistake why can’t people let him move on he probably has
@Rangeet Ch.Lahiri fr bro people are hating on this guy as if he’s not still a kid and the people hating/saying slurs aren’t mistakes clearly think they haven’t made a mistake they can take accountability for in their lives
I mean I am glad that he's suffering for this but honestly, this seems unfair to the people who Actually put effort in this film at first I was against the film seeing the light of day, yet now thinking about the innocent animators and crew people, yeah I kinda wanna see it just for their part in this.
What a shit situation. There's nobody to root for here. This'll go down in Internet History as something to learn from, think the Projard accusations.
Don't give thousands to a couple teens/young adults. Properly vet these people. Don't hold onto these messages for multiple years.
I know there's still promises of updates & such, but I just don't think this is salvageable. There comes a point when you should throw in the towel. If the film comes out - and disappoints - they're made the situation so much worse. If the film comes out - and impresses - it's still handicapped by controversy.
There's no winning for the crew anymore. They're gone - they stepped away. This comes out, it's poison to their careers. They're forever linked directly by the 'racist Spider-Man' and that's horrible press anyway you look at it.
I'd let the film die quietly & run with the remaining cash. I expect that's exactly what will happen over the coming months - because this is over.
If you ever see 100K in cash - run for your fucking life & don't stop. That is an amount of money most people will never have in their hands. That is an amount of money to negate everything. Fuck your parents, your girlfriend & pet. If they had 100K, they'd stupid not to run with it. That's enough money to last you a lifetime, if you're smart with it. Stop somewhere far & live off that. Chuck it into Apple or Gold piece by piece & don't say a fucking word.
10/20 years later - cash out & you're a taxed millionaire so long as you keep quiet. You've won life. Beaten it entirely.
My warning is this: if you see the opportunity, a real opportunity, do it. Morals means nothing when you're buried.
And yet... Y'all love Kevin feige... He literally stated something about that his mistake was making heterosexual white males as heroes... 💀 He also fucked up almost every superhero since phase 4
@@GowSpeedrunsAndMemes
Kevin Feige did not direct Spider-Man Lotus.
@@kiratherenegade1561 lol I meant in general, use common sense.
Very glad I donated money to Shelby Oaks from Chris Stuckmann instead of Lotus
Actually berkmanboom is up again on twitter with a new account with the bio "the real one" and the latest post being "i am back". Not sure if that's really him or not.
They said bad things years ago? Why are people disgusted about that to the point where they disassociate with them?
Haven't we learned from James Gunn?
James Gunn made edgy jokes. Gavin and Wayne said slurs. There’s a difference.
@@icanseemywife So what? Every single one of those people who cancel them said shit like that in their lives too. Who cares, I just want to watch the film.
And also it was in the past. Why are we holding people "accountable" for shit they said in their past and obviously don't stand by or believe anymore? On Twitter no one is good, you have one strike and you're out. Nobody can change and nobody deserves a second chance...
@@icanseemywife also even if those guys are "bad people", welcome to 99.9 percent of Hollywood. Everyone is a dick, we still watch and support their movies tho.
@@icanseemywife how many years ago did they say those slurs and what age were they?
@@jammtru I think like 15 to 18 or something
This is an L take. Of course he doesn’t want to put up with all the hate in his comments or on Twitter. Nobody would. That doesn’t mean he’s running.
Also, he said “I” in the post because Gavin is doing everything alone now. Everyone quit and now he’s trying to get a final project out.
Don’t assume and make up stuff to fit some narrative.
it's not a good move, but he doesn't have choice either, from my perspective, looking at his personality, he needs to deact or even just gone from it cause he can't bear it.. and yes, the film is still need to be release because a lot of people working on it, people money involve in it, if a lot of people then go, that's on him to handle....
He posted a statement in his UA-cam community tab saying the film is still coming, and he’s going to finish it
Sooo, you didn't finish watching the video.
@@DarkspiderDavid91 Sorry, didn’t catch you mentioning that, just wanted to share some info in case you missed it 👍
They’ll probably release it but if they don’t then I think people could go legal
All because a kid was mad he didn't get attention form the director...
captain price says going dark
Will we get a refund for those who made a donation if they don’t release the movie?
The first three seconds of this video had no business being that funny 😂
I never liked Gavin from the start. I always had a feeling. I think this whole drama is so stupid. It just feel like cancel culture. Like who cares, honestly dude. Big deal. It’ll pass and no one will care ever again, so why care SOOOO MUCH now??? I swear people these days love to feel offended and angry and sensitive about everything. That kid is being a pain for everyone. And Gavin and warrden are being AWFUL role models. Case closed, next.
i like this opinion
He could've gotten away scot-free with a decent apology.
But when it started leaking about the director & other actor as well - it all went to shit. Their apologises were dogshit tier & made things worse.
@@kiratherenegade1561 apologizing just makes it worse and everyone will assume your bullshitting no matter what. bro just shouldn't have brought any attention to it and everyone would've forgotten b/c they're too busy "canceling" someone else for their past like the desperate social justice warrior they are. everyone would've forgotten. it didn't fix anything. they just wanna feel better about themselves for putting others down for dumb shit in their past or dumb humor or idiotic behavior. cant even say this without being canceled myself and being called a "defender" smh I'm just not with the bs trend of "cancel culture" 24/7 the world is sunshine and rainbows and we need to abolish all bad. we truly live in a society.
@@eggsandwhichian
Sometimes yeah. But this was apology worthy - he needed to clarify he wasn't a racist person otherwise the issue would've expanded much larger.
Because of the 2 poor proceeding apologies, that's exactly what happened.
@@kiratherenegade1561 Lmao no he fucking wouldn't have gone off scot free if he gave a "decent apology". People on twitter WANT to persecute and harrass people, and they'll use any excuse to do it. No apology would have made people forgive and forget.
He’s already confirmed he’s releasing the film so no he didn’t run
He's still on Instagram though.
I accept their apology
Can I get a recap of the crimes this guy committed?
I don't think it's a surprise that he deactivated his twitter account and all of his social media. The human brain isn't meant to deal with hundreds of thousands of people insulting and persecuting you for your past behavior. In fact, good on him Twitter is a hellscape of a site anyways. I'm honestly more concerned with his mental health rather than the optics of the situation. Also, with respect, I do think that you're overreacting and being nit-picky in regard to the "I have been working hard on it" line. If I'm not mistaken, is Gavin not the only individual whose working on editing this project? If that's the case then there's nothing wrong with him stating that he's actively working hard on it. To me that line wasn't meant to be an ego boost that disregarded the work of everyone else but was rather meant to reassure people that the project is still happening and underway. Since this project does seem to give you views, a live reaction and a final video essay reviewing the film/ wrapping up the controversy would be good for your channel!
He’s not that stupid
I mean I’m not at all saying it’s right but at least he apologized and is still making the film
Tbh people still would had watched this movie
as if his comment recent or past effect your lives so much. imagine being that soft. lol
I think he just blocked you
If he did, it'd say that I was blocked. When it says "this account doesn't exist", it means its been taken offline.
Oh
Nice channel bro keep it up
Thank you!
Right, so let me start off by saying this... You wanna know where he is (or at the very least where he's going) like you ask in the video? He's probably leaving. Doubt he's running, doubt he's evading... he's probably just leaving. He'll probably release the video. He'll probably supply the rest of the perks to the backers. And he'll probably just leave after that. Why? Cuz what else is there to do? People can't change. He's a terrible person. He should rot, right? And the other thing I wanted to get out there is that he most likely used "I'm working hard" considering he's the only one left that wants to be associated with the movie in any capacity, like, you understand that right? Who the f*ck else is gonna help finish it? He's probably still editing it himself, doing the vfx himself, rendering or whatever the f*ck y'know I mean bruv? He's talking about the present, not the past. Others DID work hard on the movie, MONTHS ago.
Quick rant. I just find bullying kids funny
Great video
Thanks!