@@3DPrintTechDesign Thanks for the response! So if I buy an X1 Carbon and install a heater to bring the chamber up to 70 degrees, would I get the performance of an X1E? It only makes sense for the protected connection at this point.
@@Fancy3D Oh, I think there are more components, cooling and sensors that help with controling the tempeature and secure the longevity of the components inside the machine, so it's not as simple as just heating an regular X1. If you wanna tinker, and add heating etc... The X1 could be the one for you. Just don't expect the same reliability as the X1E with it's tuned profiles for some materials. Never the less, Pre-heating the chamber does a lot for printing complex materials, no matter the printer :).
It’s not complete, they are expanding the the A1 series of printers and there was a hint that helmet creators are going to be happy as well which means larger format printer.
As an enterprise customer, I’d argue the Prusa XL is a pretty important printer missing from this list. Other than the Prusa XL, the only (entry-ish) printer that handles multi-material or dissolvable support well is the Stratasys F123 series. They work flawlessly. Our Ultimaker S5 has a 50% downtime since the print cores are so prone to jamming.
That’s a great point with the solvable materials on a prusa, as you’re not running it through the same nozzle. Other than that, I’ve not considered it an enterprise printer due to its complexity. I’ve not tried it myself, but listening to others, enterprise hasn’t been where I’d expect it to go, but I’d happily be wrong! Ultimakers have been my PVA-printers to go before, but as you say, the running costs with the clogs isn’t optimal.
I did watch a couple Prusa XL videos and people have issues with the printer. Its not running without issues out the box. A endless spool mode isn’t available either.
IDEX adds a lot of complexity and weight, but it would be very nice if it was just added. Just like AMS can be having filament available, an IDEX could be a nozzle size available, like 0,6mm just ready to go when u want it.
I've always wondered if Bambu Lab subsidizes their printers. The prices always seemed too low for what the printers had in terms of features and build quality.
Most of the work was done by other people. Core-xy was already a thing, and alot of their software came from open source. They really just had to come up with parts that would work, some added features, and some programming for software for things they actually needed.
@@ShotGunner5609 I was thinking more about the cost for custom parts like the frame or the hotend. The board also seems to have been custom made. The tooling for the injection molded parts and aluminium parts is not cheap either. A good Voron kit costs more than an P1S or somtimes a X1C even though a kit consists mostly of standard components that are cheap to buy and are produced in much larger quantities.
everyone says they will never do an Idex because the AMS is there baby.. But why not have an Idex that both extruders can handle 4 AMS could print eith 32 colors. My biggest thing is soluble supports.. If bambu coulf make something that you can do high temp material and also low temp..would be awesome
I will be seriously considering these as alternatives to MarkForge machines that have been a staple in engineering offices for years. There is a large gap in this market segment for engineering grade fire-and-forget FFF/FDM machines. If* they can prove reliable pieces of equipment and get the kind of performace you see from the base nylon carbon fibers blends at that price point they will not be able to make these fast enough for the enterprise demand. Very, very interesting machine I will be following closely.
I agree! The gap is perfect for this type of machine. It’s also far from ultimakers who currently are “below” markforged market segment. What I’ve heard from X1E users, it’s doing a great work and is way more stable than their X1/p1S for the “engineering materials and ABS. I’m still not convinced the X1E and chopped CF in PA is equal to a proper markforged continuous fiber print. But for the “regular” Onyx One, the X1E should be a fierce competitor.
@@3DPrintTechDesign I've decided to order one of these machines. If you'd find it useful I could return a comment in a month or two after I've had a chance to evaluate it's characteristics.
Hi, thanks for sharing your thoughts on the X1E. Based on what you say, I have decided to go for the X1C. As you, I am Norwegian - do you have any thoughts on region choice when it comes to registering an account with Bambu Lab? Any downsides to choosing Norway/Europe/EU as opposed to USA?
Thank you! Just go for Norwegian, as you’ll get the best warranty and potential help from local resellers 👍. You can ofc. Choose to buy via bambulab, (using my affiliate link 🤪) but then you may have do most support directlywith BL.
I already bought from a Norwegian reseller - the machine is waiting at the local post office :-) Looks like I'll be registering my account as "Norwegian" - thanks!! :-)
You’re right, it sounded a bit more when I rewatched the upload, I’ll tone it down next time. It’s very difficult since everyone has different processing on audio 👏🙌
I don't think they spent that on this machine. I havent seen any extra insulation or similar. I mean the ZYYX Pro can heat to 50-60C in chamber without any fancy insulation or engineering stuff.
@@3DPrintTechDesign but it can't maintain it like this can, and tuning a machine to stay uniformly hot while a head is prancing all about inside adding and removing heat on its own is no small undertaking. I was a manager on the R&D team that developed the Stratasys F770 and worked with Stratasys for 8 years. I have a little experience developing machines based on cost of goods and services (COGS) or baseline cost of a product. To achieve better oven dynamics with this printer could easily cost more than $1000 to the end user by way of sequential minor increases in quality, tolerances, additional parts, etc to make this machine perform better. I remain impressed at the features for price point. Actually, it falls directly into my prediction on Bambu's product roadmap. And yes, they're going after enterprise customers. They're slowly adding features that only $20k printers have, and pricing them at a fraction. That $20k isn't a made up number. The cost of the bill of materials for high end printers isn't 1/60th of the BOM cost. They're tanks.
@Todestelzer sounds very interesting, but at what cost? P1S style, at $1299 for 320x320x320 would be nice! I suspect price quickly goes into $3500-4500 for an “enterprise” large one?
Prusa seems to be completely out of the game nowadays. Even their expensive models still look too much like diy... Never understood why they didn't used injection molded parts or sheet metal
Prusa have been market leading for their segment for a long time. And they have taken all the beginners as well, since they make fantastic, easy-to-use printers. but now I think their customers group have been split into two. The "hands-on" users who want reliability but moddable, and those who are more "hands off" 3D printers, who now can get a Bambu Lab A1.
A X1C XL is what i need! A big bed slinger is a no go for me when you want to print tall and thin with speed.
X1CXL is starting to sound like a rapper. But that would be very nice!
the future of printing is looking very bright
The only printer Bambu is missing is the X1E XL
Hi! Does the X1e have a different hotend and nozzle compared to the X1C? Thank you for your availability!
Nope, the X1-series are the same on those components =).
@@3DPrintTechDesign
Thanks for the response! So if I buy an X1 Carbon and install a heater to bring the chamber up to 70 degrees, would I get the performance of an X1E? It only makes sense for the protected connection at this point.
@@Fancy3D Oh, I think there are more components, cooling and sensors that help with controling the tempeature and secure the longevity of the components inside the machine, so it's not as simple as just heating an regular X1. If you wanna tinker, and add heating etc... The X1 could be the one for you. Just don't expect the same reliability as the X1E with it's tuned profiles for some materials. Never the less, Pre-heating the chamber does a lot for printing complex materials, no matter the printer :).
The hotends between x1c and x1e are significantly different.
It’s not complete, they are expanding the the A1 series of printers and there was a hint that helmet creators are going to be happy as well which means larger format printer.
too expensive for what you get. for adding a heated chamber, local network access, and higher heat extruders. They over priced this..
Nope. Qidi still has hotter extruder - 350C, and hotter chamber - 80C. And bigger print volume! Bambu had better release a larger printer asap.
As an enterprise customer, I’d argue the Prusa XL is a pretty important printer missing from this list.
Other than the Prusa XL, the only (entry-ish) printer that handles multi-material or dissolvable support well is the Stratasys F123 series. They work flawlessly. Our Ultimaker S5 has a 50% downtime since the print cores are so prone to jamming.
That’s a great point with the solvable materials on a prusa, as you’re not running it through the same nozzle. Other than that, I’ve not considered it an enterprise printer due to its complexity. I’ve not tried it myself, but listening to others, enterprise hasn’t been where I’d expect it to go, but I’d happily be wrong! Ultimakers have been my PVA-printers to go before, but as you say, the running costs with the clogs isn’t optimal.
I did watch a couple Prusa XL videos and people have issues with the printer. Its not running without issues out the box. A endless spool mode isn’t available either.
I would like a Bamboo labs IDEX 300mm x 300mm printer. The single extruder wastes to much filament, at least with 2 extruders you cut waste in half.
IDEX adds a lot of complexity and weight, but it would be very nice if it was just added. Just like AMS can be having filament available, an IDEX could be a nozzle size available, like 0,6mm just ready to go when u want it.
I've always wondered if Bambu Lab subsidizes their printers. The prices always seemed too low for what the printers had in terms of features and build quality.
Most of the work was done by other people. Core-xy was already a thing, and alot of their software came from open source. They really just had to come up with parts that would work, some added features, and some programming for software for things they actually needed.
@@ShotGunner5609 I was thinking more about the cost for custom parts like the frame or the hotend. The board also seems to have been custom made. The tooling for the injection molded parts and aluminium parts is not cheap either. A good Voron kit costs more than an P1S or somtimes a X1C even though a kit consists mostly of standard components that are cheap to buy and are produced in much larger quantities.
The main reason for the low price is that China's supply chain is complete, fast and cheap.
I want the X1E at home for hobby i need the heated chamber unless you can add that option to the X1C
I think there will be 3rd party products. Since the heated bed can provide heat, you just need to circulate and vent when it's too hot =)
everyone says they will never do an Idex because the AMS is there baby.. But why not have an Idex that both extruders can handle 4 AMS could print eith 32 colors. My biggest thing is soluble supports.. If bambu coulf make something that you can do high temp material and also low temp..would be awesome
I will be seriously considering these as alternatives to MarkForge machines that have been a staple in engineering offices for years. There is a large gap in this market segment for engineering grade fire-and-forget FFF/FDM machines. If* they can prove reliable pieces of equipment and get the kind of performace you see from the base nylon carbon fibers blends at that price point they will not be able to make these fast enough for the enterprise demand. Very, very interesting machine I will be following closely.
I agree! The gap is perfect for this type of machine. It’s also far from ultimakers who currently are “below” markforged market segment. What I’ve heard from X1E users, it’s doing a great work and is way more stable than their X1/p1S for the “engineering materials and ABS. I’m still not convinced the X1E and chopped CF in PA is equal to a proper markforged continuous fiber print. But for the “regular” Onyx One, the X1E should be a fierce competitor.
@@3DPrintTechDesign I've decided to order one of these machines. If you'd find it useful I could return a comment in a month or two after I've had a chance to evaluate it's characteristics.
@themechanicaladvantage it’s always appreciated!
Hi, thanks for sharing your thoughts on the X1E.
Based on what you say, I have decided to go for the X1C.
As you, I am Norwegian - do you have any thoughts on region choice when it comes to registering an account with Bambu Lab? Any downsides to choosing Norway/Europe/EU as opposed to USA?
Thank you! Just go for Norwegian, as you’ll get the best warranty and potential help from local resellers 👍. You can ofc. Choose to buy via bambulab, (using my affiliate link 🤪) but then you may have do most support directlywith BL.
Just don’t buy a china locked machine!
I already bought from a Norwegian reseller - the machine is waiting at the local post office :-)
Looks like I'll be registering my account as "Norwegian" - thanks!! :-)
@skjalglandsem7440 wooho! Happy for you, this will be a gamechanger for you :)
The music is a little distracting. Maybe just a little bit too loud m
You’re right, it sounded a bit more when I rewatched the upload, I’ll tone it down next time. It’s very difficult since everyone has different processing on audio 👏🙌
flsun is coming in hot with 1200mm/s
Sounds interesting!
Ovens are expensive to build. Hot spots, cold spots, insulation, materials... That's where your $1000 went and it's a bargain.
I don't think they spent that on this machine. I havent seen any extra insulation or similar. I mean the ZYYX Pro can heat to 50-60C in chamber without any fancy insulation or engineering stuff.
@@3DPrintTechDesign but it can't maintain it like this can, and tuning a machine to stay uniformly hot while a head is prancing all about inside adding and removing heat on its own is no small undertaking.
I was a manager on the R&D team that developed the Stratasys F770 and worked with Stratasys for 8 years. I have a little experience developing machines based on cost of goods and services (COGS) or baseline cost of a product. To achieve better oven dynamics with this printer could easily cost more than $1000 to the end user by way of sequential minor increases in quality, tolerances, additional parts, etc to make this machine perform better. I remain impressed at the features for price point. Actually, it falls directly into my prediction on Bambu's product roadmap. And yes, they're going after enterprise customers. They're slowly adding features that only $20k printers have, and pricing them at a fraction.
That $20k isn't a made up number. The cost of the bill of materials for high end printers isn't 1/60th of the BOM cost. They're tanks.
how bout an A1 mega or A1 max? 400mmx400mm bed, dual z, ams lite, all the automated calibrations. $800
Nom nom but that’s a anycubic Kobra 2 Max, but with AMS lite 😝 right?. I’m 90% sure we will see some 3rd party AMS solution soon.
@@3DPrintTechDesign no I meant Bambu should make a 400mm A1 for the helmet printing crowd. They only use PLA anyhow.
@@3DPrintTechDesign I'm working on a 3rd party ams solution right now.
Bambu CEO said in an interview that the next printer in the pipeline is a bigger printer.
@Todestelzer sounds very interesting, but at what cost? P1S style, at $1299 for 320x320x320 would be nice! I suspect price quickly goes into $3500-4500 for an “enterprise” large one?
I can't understand you well with the background music. We don't need music, just content. :). thank you.
Comgrow T500 500x500m Klipper bedslinger.
NICE!
Prusa seems to be completely out of the game nowadays. Even their expensive models still look too much like diy... Never understood why they didn't used injection molded parts or sheet metal
Prusa have been market leading for their segment for a long time. And they have taken all the beginners as well, since they make fantastic, easy-to-use printers. but now I think their customers group have been split into two. The "hands-on" users who want reliability but moddable, and those who are more "hands off" 3D printers, who now can get a Bambu Lab A1.
Unfortunately, BambuLab has also become one of those who live off their initial glory
It’s Robbie rotten?!!