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EHRC bosses squirm under Tory MP's basic questioning at Select Committee hearing
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
- The heads of the Equality and Human Rights Commission were in front of the Women and Equalities Committee yesterday, where Caroline Nokes smelled blood during questioning over the EHRC's business plan for the next two years.
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Absolutely DISGRACEFUL the way they try to worm there way out of any faults...then blatantly mislead all inquiries...not one ever see an arrest or prosecution for FAILURES of performance 😡😡😡😡
Ha ha ha.. We audited ourselves and found we were fantastic. 'Will you share the report?'. 'It's an internal document, so no'. 😂😂 What a board of clowns.
YOUR MONEY PAYS FOR THIS.
I'm sorry but someone in a managerial position who is incapable of reading a 30 page document has no business holding that post.
That's not a document, that's a leaflet.
@@gordonhamilton727 Sunak can't even read 3 page reports
That's usually how they become senior managers...by bluff and backstabbing their way up the ladder. I’ve met loads like that over the years.
Why not, they propably went to the same schools as the present goverment, they dont need qualifications, they have the old school tie, welcome to Britain.
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Why is PMQs not held to the same standard that these comittees are?
And when we all see how incompetent people are why are there no real consequences?
It's quite disgusting actually.
PMQs is just a bit of theatre, it's not that important.
@@billdeal the fact that it is a low form of theatre as you say is truly shocking. It is surely the prime time the Government is held to account. Rarely any real blows landed bit they are on there sometimes.
@@billdeal If people want entertainment then they can pay for a theatre ticket to see proper actors/actresses! PMQs should be a serious debate as it has real life consequences. MPs should be legally required to answer the questions put to them directly and concisely!
PMQs requires an intelligent, savvy Speaker. Hoyle has neither of these qualities.
PMQs is nothing more than 2 packs of hyenas circling each other and cackling at what’s seen as the best heckle or jibe. I am yet to see any serious subject actioned during PMQs and I watch Parliament pretty much every day!
Whenever I watch a select committee meeting, or liaison committee, I am staggered and embarrassed by the overwhelming lack of honesty and talent on display. These same people entertain the misguided idea that they are deserving of deference. These people show the worst traits our nation has to offer
Noakes... What a ned with that 'performance' 😮 these days its no longer amateiur dramatics but a pitiful secondary school performance of 'civil service behaviours' thrice removed.
Gawd for some honest people who talk straight fwd sense. Some intelligence and integroty. Noakes is such a pos. The rest weak.
Agreed. Every damned Tory MP is such an expert they destroy anything they touch.
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💩 Floats to the top.
I agree
there is no accountability, no punishment so it is all BS
"It's 30-odd pages" Is that all? He should be able recite the lot by heart and should be able to provide the detail behind every single line. There really are some completely incompetent and unskilled individuals running the EHRC.
The problem is that they are used to speaking to people who are too stupid or frightened to ask questions 😂😂
If ever one wants to learn how to speak fluent wordsalad then these hearings are a wonderful source of teaching for you. 😂
That was bloody painful. I need a lie down.
How much are these people earning? Makes me sick.
Agreed, Noakes is a fake and Faulkner has tried to be sensible in EHRC and is being crucified.
A mistake is to play the game of these arrogant aholes. 😢
And these are ment to be the cream of the crop in British Business and Management ! OMG !
They aren’t meant to be the cream of British business - none of these would have a chance. These are government quangos and charity managers.
The lack of talent in this room is astonishing.
This is a grim watch, neither CEO or Chair can answer a simple question
Who are they?
Got ‘em. Sir Humphrey would be ashamed at their lack of capacity to obfuscate, albeit they gave it a shot. The MP was on top of her brief and her game. Good work and good job.
Shame she can't do it to her own party
Why on Earth does the EHRC have a "business plan"?
Disband the EHCR, what a staggering waste of time and OUR money.
Select committee meetings = People who believe they are not accountable to anyone, become for a brief, squirming, uncomfortable period, accountable. Such fun.
"We have 6 priorities we are supposed to deliver. When it gets close to time we should have delivered but we've actually accomplished bugger-all, we just add new priorities that will give us an excuse to take another 3 years accomplishing nothing while we put the former on the back-burner."
Jeez, more of Caroline Nokes on these types of committees please. She takes no prisoners
She isn't hard enough. No questions were actually answered. The story of every single Tory that sits in the house..
It’s a deeply intellectual board, is it? Ok, but wtf does it actually do other than allow many people of dubious character and dubious claims to live in this country to the cost of the vast population who pay for their board, lodging, health care etc etc through our taxes? Net migration last year exceeded 650,000 many of whom turned up in boats and they were all valid asylum seekers were they? FFS GET A GRIP!!!
No Fear of Questions = No repercussions to miss management, results , only huge payoffs, golden goodbyes and large pensions!!!
These meetings should be on telly, people have no idea how bad these people are at their jobs.
Absolutely right.
Clearly this Board does not do much, it is 'deeply intellectual ... and exceptionally well informed..' But does not know how to respond to these questions truthfully.
What board is this for?
Essentially- “The board effectiveness review interviewed the members of the board and those board members decided that the board was doing a great job”……..🤦🏽♂️
"We nailed Corbyn for you and now we're on holiday. What more do you want?"
Backstabbers liars and wealthy middle class self entitled morons
Labour pandered to the Muslim community and it’s widespread anti-Israel and anti-Jewish views.
Yep.
deeply intellectual ... and exceptionally well informed but only in BS
To whoever sits and watches these and finds these gems a massive thanks 🙏 😊 also it makes me realise why the general public are so politically ignorant- things like this are simply not covered in mainstream media 😞🌀
Idgaf if an mp is tory, Labour or whatever. As long as they are performing their role well for their constituents and holding companies and organisations to account, I support them wholeheartedly. MP's should be there for us, not corporations.
And unfortunately across all parties there are about 6 in total, if that.
We have too many councillors, mps/msps whatever, and that helps the subterfuge..We need fewer reps.. And far far better quality.
What wasters of money + our govs are.
Underrated comment
Tories are never there for us, they are only interested if feathering their own nests and looking after their tory doners, & corporations
Darren Jones and Caroline Nokes are excellent when chairing these committees. They often appear to be more able than the experts they examine.
I agree with you there!
Totally agree. They are both outstanding.
On endless occasions CEOs fall massively short of expectations when it comes to representing their businesses in a coherent and professional manner. This is just a particularly extreme example of the problem.
But they still get their pay doubled, while those at the bottom don't.
In both cases, apparently, it incentives them.
Add on Thames Water, Post Office, nat West Bank and countless councils and you have a picture of modern Britain. People promoted way beyond their ability who end up with large pay offs or even honours for making a mess of things. . This group seem to fall into this category, yet another well financed quango
I cant believe the wordy excuses they use to blind us from their deceit, unprofessionalism, and total inability to actually DO something. What do they actually succeed in doing apart from ALL having meetings all the time and using stupid dialogue that means nothing.
Sack the whole lot, disband the EHRC.
well that clears nothing up .....
A great demonstration of talking for ages without answering questions.
You can almost feel the relief on that chap’s face that the woman in the middle is prepared to be so loquacious
This makes me as a carpenter bordering on smug that each working day I actually acheive tangible results.
How much are these jokers being paid? What a waste of tax-payer’s money.
I am deeply impressed at the the heads' of the EHCR ability to sit in front of a Select Committee and, on each and every ocassion, to make use of obfuscating word salads in attempting to avoid answering the Committee's questions. Whilst I accept that this demonstrates great skill on the part of the respondees it also demonstrates not only deviousness but also panic as they consitently demonstrate their ignorance in the very subjects over which they have nominal control. Honesty is a trait which is missing when these people apply for and get appointed to these positions.
Yes, it's terrifying!
Did you see the Directors of Thames Water in front of a Select Committee? No contrition, word-salad answers and apparently no understanding of, or interest in, water!
Shameless CVs and gullible selection panels?
It begs the question - how are they "chosen" for their jobs ? Not on merit I'll wager, but by a box ticking diversity driven load of tosh. I'm actually surprised they were all white !
obfuscating . great skill on the part of the respondees .
These so called brilliant people, suddenly, dont understand simple question
Quite astonishing gobbledegook spewing forth from those questioned.
I'm a fan of these committees, especially when they take apart such incompetence and money squandering.
Staff come to the meeting contribute with things that they have been told to ask but if they raise something that is a concern for them it is ignored, that happens in almost every corporation, that woman in the middle lives on a different planet and has no idea which is obvious when she replies with "I don't THINK we use that terminology"
To quote a old supervisor of mine ( before the days of political correctness) "I WOULD NOT PAY THEM IN WASHERS."
Why can't we use the word washer now?
I hear words but smell incompetence. I guarantee the chief exec of my organisation knows the key themes of our business plan and can discuss at length the detail.
The art of looking like you care.Performance.
Mind numbing ineptitude, but as many have said, it's heartening to see some facets of government actually holding people's feet to the fire. I'd suggest that the room of the Select Committee is refashioned to include a 'You Only Live Twice' style piranha pool and bridge that the chairperson can choose to deploy when the situation dictates...
This is unbelieveable. They dont have a clue what their organisation is doing, trying to do, how it will achieve its objectives (whatever they might be), or even how to measure progress in achieving objectives. That is basic management stuff. Are they somehow above that? The CEO seems to think it's adequate to have people "reporting" to him. God save us!
What board is this for?
Paid a fortune for a total bullshit these clowns should be jailed what’s the point of these CEO’s sbos are bloody useless
SEEMS LIKE * QUANGOS *??. JOBS FOR THE BOYS??.
That Baroness lady is completely full of hot air. That's it
I don’t think any of these people know what real work is!
OMG! They didn't even answer one question directly! The EHRC. Aka, the board of excuses.
The EHRC should be scrapped.
Have you noticed who is speaking on behalf of the EHRC consistently? Yup, the one one that has most to lose.
How do these people get into these positions?
Money and corruption most likely..
Appointed by government. Liz Truss appointed Baroness Kishwer Falkner to Chair in 2020 as Equalities minister. and Truss's equalities record isn't good at all.
Last year (feb 2022) The so called "EHRC" has been named as unfit for purpose.
Mates
Get all the employees back into the office- this hearing has shown visibility & engagement between staff and board is essential.
If staff of mine gave answers to direct questions with that level of evasion and BS, they would be out on their ear… It’s shame they don’t put as much effort into their day to day work.
The Tories have facilitated this mess.
How do you work that out? This was Teflon Tony’s baby. May he rot in hell for doing so.
@@johnlongford1734 Because the hierarchy of this organisation is now almost entirely Tory appointed.
@@PortilloMomentThis is true. We have no distinct opposition.
Now if one side believed only men have penises and the other did not.. Thing would be simpler.. And we would save a fuck ton of money.
@@user-vd7tq5rp9x Stop obsessing over other people's genitals like a total creep and you're already there.
@@johnlongford1734 Who has been in charge for the last thirteen years?
Perhaps they should have called a board meeting to come up with an answer to the question.
😂😂😂 touche
That’s a lot of explaining for a yes or no question 😂
"We're trying to do 120 things at the same time". That's the problem in Britain. Everyone is trying to do everything and achieving nothing. Be they government departments, nationalised or privatised industries. All they can see is £££.
PS: What the hell does "yar on yar" mean? Does she mean "year on year"? Yet another one who got the job because she speaks "la-di-da-di-da".
Such snobbery.
Ha ha executives trying to explain what people think they should be doing and it turns into a nonsensical word salad
Can we have a Select Committee to investigate why these Conservative MPs, who are so energised and ( it appears) intelligent, cannot apply the same energy and inteĺligence to actually governing the country for the benefit of their constituents. Instead, they sit in the Commons as silent useless vote fodder.
Yet another example of the elitist (or wannabe elitist) attitude towards staff. She said, well we have different roles, they are employees, (what she intimated as was picked up by the committee, was she thought they were beneath her, so she shouldn't see them) .
My experience of boards like this is that they are totally incestuous. I recently challenged board members of a charity for their lack of transparency and effectiveness. They wanted to pass a motion that would exclude staff and members from voting on any issue. This a recommendation from an “independent” study at huge cost never put to members. Turns out the board chair previously worked for this firm. Effectively reducing control to just 6 board members. I refused to vote to allow it. They assured me a year later there would be huge improvement. A year later all emails have been ignored and they have blocked minutes of meetings. They have co opted new members and out voted any who oppose them. The chair sounded exactly like this woman all talk and no substance.
It's 30 pages!!! I hope you didn't expect me to read it!?! Oh...you did? Whoops.
7:20 notice how much slower she speaks when trying to avoid saying "No, staff aren't satisfied with the board"
According to them , they are so effective, so good at everything, we do extensively everything that is possible, but as for the staff we don't know we are not going to answer because we are not visible 😂 and really we are not botherd
ECHR not fit for purpose , something in common with the house of lords, both should be Crushed and removed.
It is more constructive to consider changes to make them fit for purpose, as opposed to just bitching. The Lords is problematic but is effective in controlling the H of C and government.
More fit for purpose than the Tories. Funny how the Tories never question big business or the banks with such enthusiasm. I wonder what the Tory effectiveness ranking would be if they asked the general public.
@@garyboyle695 I highly doubt the EHRC is more fit than the Tories. The chair of the EHRC was elected in 2020 by Liz Truss and her equality record isn't good at all.. it's abysmal..
@@thesmallerhalf1968 Nope i disagree, house of Lords have held us back for far to long,ECHR how is it some none heard of French judge can tell us what we can an can't do after some scum shite breaks into our country, Crush and remove is the only way.What about our Human rights, Christians & Muslims do not mix oi;& water.
@@garyboyle695 These are not Tories they have gone down the pan since the days of Cameron.
Amazing how politicians can know everything when it’s not them under scrutiny yet the moment they face questioning themselves they turn into dribbling sloths
So your answer is to let them get away with it, well done.
Why has Melanie not said anything 😂This is exactly what is wrong with the EHRC full of B.S.😂
That toffee-nosed woman who says yars and yars but means YEARS AND YEARS!
Could she have possibly meant yars, the opposite of main?
Can't believe Nokes is a Tory, she seems to be capable, intelligent, and actually care about something/anything other than protecting her own interests.
She obviously is protecting her own interests by staying in a party that is morally bankrupt.
I suggest you watch Nokes being cross-examined by the liaison committee a few years ago. Tory arrogance is very present under May. Perhaps she's like, 'and you thought I was bad?' She was.
Only in this setting
If she was leader, Labour wouldn't stand a chance.
Johnson expelled her for a reason.
No! The board should NOT dictate the survey questions. The third party should canvass a sample of employees and determine what matters most, to most of them. Those responses then form the questionnaire. This is basic satisfaction survey best practise.
You have to ask yourself how these mouth breathers would fare in a survival situation. First thing they'd do is form a bloody committee.
More "cobblers". Highly paid but calling them useless is giving them more credit than deserved. Nice 'jolly" Luvvly Jubbly!!!
You should investigate how many tory placement there are in the EHRC. The tories stuffed it full of them.
If these people suddenly didn't exist, would anyone notice?
To have Tories who understand some business basics, other than funnelling taxpayers cash to mates, is quite entertaining. A big reset is required as these people are in the minority.
I think these people go to the same school as the MP'S and learn to avoid answering ALL QUESTIONS
In other words, the staff hate working at the fucking place 😂
Liz truss appointed Baroness Kishwer Falkner. Explains a lot.
They waffled so much it made my head hurt I won't lie goodness knows what the committee made of the waffle?🙄😏🤣
Waffles have use. They are a versatile snack/food....their talking has no such value.
Are we paying these fools. Shame on this government. P45 please for them.
The staff are doing all the work and they connot communicate with a empty chair.
My big question is, tongue in cheek, why do we have ECHR in the UK when we are not part of Europe? One of the main reasons some voted for Brexit was that we were to rid our nation of the shackles of ECHR & the European Court of Human Rights.
The EHRC has nothing to do with Europe.
@@cultofdagon European is the give away😀. However, we still need to bin the ECtHR. Neither belong in the UK.
@@mikeh2613 The E doesn't stand for European. The EHRC is the Equality and Human Rights Commission. Nothing to do with Europe, established by the Equality Act, UK law.
@@cultofdagon big mistake, apologies😊
Incompetent is a rather large understatement considering their responsibilities, it's like red tape gone ballistic 🤬
When i was in business and the CEO attended stock holders meetings, he was scrutinised to the tiniest level and his knowledge of the business in all its parts was totally comprehensive. As soon as you move into the public sector you come across this simply poor quality who would be fired in the private sector. Of course the main issue is that the public sector is their for its staff - not the public and as long as they get a nice gold plated pension who cares.
Stuck it for nine minutes, was starting to suffer from suicidal ideation, decided for the sake of my health to come away.
I would not let those three-run a burger van. We have a dearth of talent in this country and our quangos and institutions are run by low-caliber people who get their positions for reasons I cannot fathom. !!
The committee responsible for producing hot air.
Nokes has always impressed me. I doubt I agree with many of her views but she's happy to voice her views even if they put her at odds with her party. Strikes me as someone with integrity, not just covering her own arse and worrying about her career
Still ALWAYS votes with the Party though
😂😂😂 Integrity! Frigging lying pos!
I'm puzzled as to why something that doesn't sound like a business would even have a business plan, but never mind.
They have budgets assigned from government. They're supposed to be able to account for how/where that money is spent and point to results to show for it.
These muppets can't even mumble something about our mission is X and we've completed y.
they got rinsed!, one of the few tory MPs i actually have respect for
Brilliant questioner! High intelligence going on there. Great to see such good work. Thank you.
Blimey, a tory with integrity and a brain and (originally) opposed to brexsh1t!
Integral enough to be a Tory
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Wish I could find a labour voter who didn’t deny and cover up grooming gangs , but you all did just for the Muslim vote , makes u all nonces
If that's true, she'll soon be sidetracked in favour of Cruella Braverman and Nadine Dorries clones.
I wonder if she would answer a question clearly. Good at asking questions, I hope she can perform as well herself.
Over justification is always a sign of it’s not working
One of the things that's pushed me into a deep depression was realising how much meritocracy in this country is a complete sham.
With an unelected Head of State, Lords and others that inherit positions, we don't have a meritocracy.
It’s not what you know.. it’s who you know. 😉
People are appointed based on skin colour, sex, ethnicity, sexuality, disability. Suitability for the position is the last consideration.
@@andrewoliver8930 Completely irrelevant.
@@archiebald4717 Carry on with your point on how it's irrelevant to a meritocracy.
MPs holding anyone to account atm is laughable along with an MP complaining about a question not being answered.
They try and confuse the issue, by talking crap to muddy the waters, they have meetings to have other meetings to read the same report on another report. Who are these spongers!! At the end of the day we the public pay for all these people through taxes and ohter streams, so therefore we should have access to all the reports.
incredible! these people are on huge salaries.......they are just taking the money and running
Who are these people? Who appoints them, who fires them, who holds the accountable, and who pays them?
If it is the taxpayer paying them, then when do we get a vote in the EHRC?
Representative government has fallen into an abyss in the UK. As the numbers of politically homeless (those without a Party that shares their personal and political values) grows, elected politicians are ever less representative and those they appoint to well-paid jobs even less so.
By God, the EHRC really know how to waffle and not give any answers.
I have completely changed my opinion of Caroline. Its so refreshing to see an MP who looks and acts like all MPs should.
Looks? It's all vibes with you clowns.
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