Is former Lib Dem leader Sir Vince Cable right to refuse to join calls for former Post Office boss Paula Vennells to lose her CBE over the Horizon scandal?
She gave this man an easy ride. This is the man who took the right for people to have a bank account at the Post Office, leaving everybody at the mercy of the commercial banks who de-bank them at will. Of course as leader of the company she should be held responsible and have the CBE honour removed. There are a lot of other who should lose honors as well. Davey, Cable,.......
As an ex postmaster, I say that post office is not fit for purpose and should be dismantled and disbanded and the management prosecuted for the damage they did. 🇬🇧
@@Yetaxa Yes and that is ridiculous itself. Every system that has a database can be accessed by an admin at root level. There is nothing dodgy about having the access itself because it is needed just in case the tables go corrupt or something but to claim no one can access the system without anyone knowing when it is possible by design is just an outright lie. It's only dodgy if the access is abused.
@@mharris7380all computer program writers leave a " back door " for easy access in order to trouble shoot and easily update systems. I thought that was common knowledge!
Listening to Vince Cable bumbling through this interview, contradicting himself, making excuses, avoiding any responsibility, avoiding apportioning any culpability you realise what an absolute waste of space he is.
What a pair of snakes. Both Cable andDavey are direct responsible for what happened to these people. By the Post Office. These people should. Be no where near the government.
no, he is arguing to wait until the outcome of the public enquiry and not jump on the screaming illiterate uninformed platform that JHB is on. she clearly has no understanding of procedure
@prvvideoonline7993 do you mean the public enquiry which will cost the tax payer millions of pounds, no one will get jail time or lose their pension, and lawyers will be enriched . The end of which enquiry there will be statements like "systemic failure " " lessons need to be learned " THAT public enquiry? I'm glad you have such faith in British justice....so did the Sub- postmasters....look where it got them!
Sir Savile, Sir Branson, Sir Sugar, Sir Jagger. The people who deserve to be recognised are the ones that turn down awards, just like Alan Bates who declined his award.
Hopefully this is the End of the 3 parties . What an unnecessary and costly group of People. Vince Cable should be ashamed of himself. When the Libdems SOLD their souls to the devil. They should never be in charge or enter office again....
@keithhealing1115 the point is If there is a conservative in charge, he blames the Conservative who is in charge and says that person should take the blame,when it's Ed Davie involved his narrative changes to its group blame and you can't blame the person at the top.
Don’t bother asking Vince Cable anything! He is a central part of the problem. Haul him and Ed Davey to court. They should get the full prison sentences for THEIR absolute gross negligence and incompetence in this matter, and the post office should pay each and every victim one million pounds. It must be dealt with immediately.
Cable once again distancing himself from blame, just like the other parasites who gladly take a salary but don't want any responsibility when it goes bad.,😡
Just like the grooming gang scandals, they are protecting their own. The orders ALWAYS come from the top and go down. They were trying to sell it off at the time so what would they want to expose the computer scandal? He is as guilty as hell and has blood on his hands. He needs to be investigated.
It makes me sick that these politicians WILL NOT take the blame or responsibility for situations and for gross miscarriages of justice when they were in the ministerial seat, but it's alright we'll just have an expensive tax paying public enquiry to find out who will get away with such disgusting ignorance.
He’s living in a fantasy world. People have DIED, families have been split, many have lost their friendships and freedom over Vennells’ and Fujitsu’s incompetence. Individuals need to be locked up over this with no chance of parole given the lies told over this debacle.
Whoever allowed the post office to prosecute their own staff is responsible. NO organisation should be able to do this, it should have been referred to the police and investigated by them. Maybe then those that ran their own post offices would have not gone through this awful agony.
I agree. Commercial organisations should never have such powers. We have already heard from that utter hypocrite and knight of the realm, Sir Ed Davey, who should also have got himself involved in this, and now we hear from Sir Vince Cable, another Liberal "Democrat", too. They are typically "weasel words" and bluster from both and help explain why the contempt in which they hold the electorate increasingly works the other way too. Fujitsu, formerly ICL, a computer company whose software, I know from professional experience, often to have been released without adequate testing, seems to have gone "under the radar" in this scandal. Questions need to be asked of them too and they too should substantially contribute to the large pot of compensation money due to the several hundred and perhaps more, poor, innocent victims of their incompetence and dishonesty. The really big question that should concern us all, however, is why did it take a TV dramatisation of this scandal to make our politicians finally get off their useless, lazy a***s?
He said “pointing the finger is not particularly helpful “ ? Oh yes it is …. People who behave like the politicians and the CEO and countless others in power need to be shown that such contemptible behaviour is simply not acceptable in this day and age.
The avoidance of accountability with this guy is staggering. Also frightening. I heard Cable and Davey had oversight of the Post office as ministers. They should have been screaming from the rafters in Parliment. Beyond disgraceful.
Collective responsibility is no responsibility. Cable is a dedicated Remainer and the EU is the home of lack of responsibility. We need to have a better system to make politicians more answerable to the public. This is something I hope the Reform Party will reform.
Cable (maybe he should have been named Cabal), Davey, Vennells, van den Bogerd are horrid people who have been granted "credibility" by the establishment and their Common Purpose clan. Thankyou Tony Blair for your CP patronage and promotion.
Fortunately Mr Cable, not every MP was so lazy, and unwilling to take a closer look at a bizarre and illogical stance from the Post Office....James Arbuthnot stood up to be counted when needed, thank god there was at least one good man.
I just can’t believe people who are paid over £100k a year without any benefits/add ons found it acceptable to take money from innocent ‘little’ people for so long! Not to mention it being from they’re own employer!!! Really just can’t get my head around this.
Over 750 people accused of theft or false accounting, yet not one person in government or the PO hierarchy raised the point that something might actually be wrong since there was such a high number of discrepancies.
Exactly. These people in positions of power in government or the Post Office are allegedly intelligent. Stupid and cowardly, more like. Also the CEO states it was her "duty to protect the reputation of the Post Office" ! Jail every one of these self serving slugs , including Fujitsu and so called upholders of the Law, judges who went along with this and never questioned the evidence, or lack of.
It's interesting that the much maligned Andrew Bridgen was campaigning on the issue in 2010. He knew something had gone badly wrong, and kept putting pressure on Parliament and Ed Davey to do something. But they all ignored him
These overpaid cowards shift the blame pass the buck in any way they can. Refuse to take the blame or any responsibility no matter how big or small their involvement.
Cable - "she has issued a collective apology and a very sincere apology." Talk is cheap, Vince, money buys the whiskey. The buck stops with the boss. Rethink your views.
Typical, No accountability and deflection of blame to a wider group. If that's the case then all those involved should feel the full force of the law. Being a grown up means accepting responsibility for our own actions.
Vince is looking or pretend to be so dumb, he makes my blood boil. It shows how much he knew as a minister or cared to find out what happened 20 years ago. His explanation is sounding so stupid. 🇬🇧
The libdems seem to be a filthy band of self serving politicians. Cable and Davey didn’t do their jobs properly when they had charge of post office matters and simply ignored the massive number of victims.
I keep asking where did the so called stolen money go? Surely some accountants would have found it while doing the books, or did it just disappear. By the way what a despicable man Vince Cable is
it fed into profits. that's why police are now investigating this aspect. You are right, even if the money was wrongly allocated or transactions were lost, the overall sum of money sitting in the bank would have been correct and a discrepancy between computer totals and the amount in the PO bank should have been noticeable once a tax year had been cleared. Who were the accountants and why were the board just skimming on their arse not paying attention?
Gurantee no civil servant will ever be forced to take responsibility for their incompetence because it'll expose how many incompetent people are employed at a senior level.
Every man and his dog knew about this scandal when it was happening' hundreds of honest postmasters don't turn into thief's after a new computer system is fitted.
Julia, as usual, hit the nail on the head. How is it that the P.O. didn’t immediately query why so many people were involved in this so called fraud? Wouldn’t that instantly set the alarm bells ringing? Complete incompetence, what a surprise.
This clearly shows that the government had an independent body, (The post Office) with the power to investigate itself, its employees, its own software and make a conclusion that was totally wrong, and unlawfully bring people before the courts, intimidating them to plead guilty under threat of a more serious charge if they didn't and the government had no power to stop it. Is this what Mr Cable is saying? Seems like it.
" when he was in office " his words a group came to see him about this . Why the hell didn't he summon the board of the Post Office to come to Parliament to sort it out . Instead he didn't nothing . Disgraceful
@@pauldavies7251 Royal Mail are also a law unto themselves. A few years ago one their vans drove into the back of my van while I was waiting at a red light. Royal Mail handle their own vehicle insurance and it took months for them to admit liability and pay out, it was a constant battle.
This man is a despicable human being, he is all about protecting his mates in the club and as George Carlin said " it's a big club and you're not in it " when Nick Clegg got voted out of Parliament he went straight into Facebook as head of Facebook European affairs on a pay of 7 hundred a fifty thousand a year. Like I said it's a big club.
This clearly shows that the government had an independent body, (The post Office) with the power to investigate itself, its employees, its own software and make a conclusion that was totally wrong, and unlawfully bring people before the courts, intimidating them to plead guilty under threat of a more serious charge if they didn't and the government had no power to stop it. This is what Mr Cable is saying. How disgusting.
Cable had less than the 50 postmasters that were prosecuted tell him in a meeting that this is wrong and he said he saw the size of the problem. Now we know there were 800 postmasters prosecited. All these politicians must pay personally for all these crimes.
A typically disgraceful response. No one ever seems to be responsible. The board of directors must be held to account, otherwise what is their role? How do they propose to help those who committed suicide or have died ?
This clearly shows that the government had an independent body, (The post Office) with the power to investigate itself, its employees, its own software and make a conclusion that was totally wrong, and unlawfully bring people before the courts, intimidating them to plead guilty under threat of a more serious charge if they didn't and the government had no power to stop it. This is what Mr Cable is saying. How disgusting. And he was one of the people that left them with those powers.
He’s waffling, stating people wil make “political capital” out of it, and he’s worried people want to go after individuals in gov and post office. Well YES, it’s time those took responsibility for it, not “group responsibility”
We have already heard from that utter hypocrite and knight of the realm, Sir Ed Davey, who should also have got himself involved in this, and now we hear from Sir Vince Cable too. They are typically "weasel words" and bluster from both and help explain why the contempt in which they hold the electorate increasingly works the other way too. Fujitsu, formerly ICL, a computer company whose software, I know from professional experience, often to have been released without adequate testing, seems to have gone "under the radar" in this scandal. Questions need to be asked of them too and they too should substantially contribute to the large pot of compensation money due to the several hundred and perhaps more, poor, innocent victims of their incompetence and dishonesty. The really big question that should concern us all, however, is why did it take a TV dramatisation of this scandal to make our politicians finally get off their useless, lazy a***s?
the focus should be on compensation from the Post Office NOT tax payers. Because the post office stole their workers money and put it towards their profits, they took larger bonus profit sharing. That needs to be paid back as they stole that money. It is the post office bosses NOT the workers who were guilty of fraud. Compensation is far from the end of this sorry story. The law needs to be looking into all its PO workers who received bonuses and they should now pay it back.
He just doesn't get it does he. If you have a problem and I would say 700 plus individual managers at the same time with a new system just implemented, is a big problem. As a CEO you investigate and start asking questions and sort it asap, not wait years later when you have ruined these peoples lives and cost the tax payers millions for an enquiry to see what could have been done better. At my work we had a new system put in years ago, it was a disaster, they binned it costing millions and nearly brought the company down. I wish these politicians just just tell the truth, but then they wouldn't know the truth if it slapped them in the face.
The issue is not the CBE - it's a smoke screen - as the chief executive officer of Post Office Limited overseeing the appalling conduct of her staff, she was the person at the top and she should be held responsible in the same way as someone without a dog collar and CBE would be.
@@Philljag Who pays their MPs to represent them in Parliament O yes the taxpayers. I’m fed up with MPs making mistakes and taxpayers have to pick up the bill. Some of the time these MPs get moved on from that job and given another job to cock up. The should be held accountable by dipping their hands in their pockets.
@@suzann2531 So if you owned a company and there was suspected fraud and you then sold it. Who is liable you or the new owner? So why should Royal Mail have to pay anything?
@@Philljag I’m not a lawyer so I can’t say who is liable. Why are we responsible for governments mistakes especially when we pay them to do a job on our behalf then they make mistakes. They themselves should be held accountable maybe by reducing their pay and reducing their pension.
I've worked in the sub office network for 39 years, I dispute what Vince Cable has said. In my opinion I'd say that most of our 11500 offices have been affected. The important thing is the amounts in £s A sub post master has to make good the losses in a branch, and that's what we all did and stilm do. I know many many offices that failed to find a what the mistake was even with CCTV and just paid from their own money. We just never knew about anyone else having issues, and that's exactly what PO LTD executive's wanted, and they nearly got away with it. Vincent Cable is out of touch. Thank you Talk TV for keeping this current.
This clearly shows that the government had an independent body, (The post Office) with the power to investigate itself, its employees, its own software and make a conclusion that was totally wrong, and unlawfully bring people before the courts, intimidating them to plead guilty under threat of a more serious charge if they didn't and the government had no power to stop it. This is what Mr Cable is saying. How disgusting. And he was one of the people that left them with those powers.
This clearly shows that the government had an independent body, (The post Office) with the power to investigate itself, its employees, its own software and make a conclusion that was totally wrong, and unlawfully bring people before the courts, intimidating them to plead guilty under threat of a more serious charge if they didn't and the government had no power to stop it. This is what Mr Cable is saying. How disgusting. And he was one of the people that left them with those powers.
Anyone who runs a computerised Auditing / financial Operating system online Knows that it can be accessed remotely .How else would IT support correct any issues They wouldn't send a technician to every branch for every fault reported
This man is one of those who chose to bury his head in the sand because he was in a government post. Should he not have investigated this on behalf of his constituents?
Shame on him, defending that evil woman. It was her job and his and Ed’s job to dig deeper and find the truth. They were all happy to point the finger at the sub postmasters so yes, we can point the fingers back at them. The civil servants need to be exposed. Apologies don’t cut it Vince at this point.
He doesn't think pointing the finger at certain individuals is beneficial 😂 😂 😂 you can bet if it was just the tories responsibility he would be pointing all fingers at the Conservative ministers demanding they resign etc. This started with labour and carried on with liberal dems and the Conservative parties. The only minister that took up the fight at the beginning was a Conservative MP, Ed Davey needs to resign
What respect I had for Vince Cable, almost went up in smoke with this interview. Yes there were many responsible but Vennells, like it or not, has to fall on her sword like any descent boss would do. The whole system is rotten to the core and this incident fully exposed by ITV has blown it wide open.
Cable and Davey were and are as useful as chocolate teapots! This will be just another coverup no one will face criminal charges they will just issue the usual "I'm sorry" insincere apology and think that's enough!
Vince Cable: "She's issued an apology..!" Julia Hartley Brewer: "Oh! That's alright, then. Tell that to the parents!" Dear God, please convict Vince of his lack of sensitivity, but most of all, please bring justice to those who allowed innocent men and women to be wrong-fully convicted, and even some of these poor souls took their lives. Please comfort those family members who lost loved-ones, by your Holy Spirit please comfort them and give them your peace.Please let the family members And please, let this be the demuse of the so-called Liberal-Democrat Party who are anything but Democratic, and cannot be trusted with power.
Cable....another crony in the cronies club protecting his own. Bloody disgraceful man. I bet if he was on the other side of the fence he would certainly be calling a different tune.
This clearly shows that the government had an independent body, (The post Office) with the power to investigate itself, its employees, its own software and make a conclusion that was totally wrong, and unlawfully bring people before the courts, intimidating them to plead guilty under threat of a more serious charge if they didn't and the government had no power to stop it. This is what Mr Cable is saying. How disgusting. And he was one of the people that left them with those powers.
This is the trouble with party politics. Cable knows full well that Davey was at the very least negligent. Yet still he decides to gaslight the public.
These are questions that Paula Vennells should have been asking years ago if she was doing her job properly. One is reminded of the Talk Talk computer scandal overlooked by its CEO. Dido Harding. Beware diversity appointments.
Is former Lib Dem leader Sir Vince Cable right to refuse to join calls for former Post Office boss Paula Vennells to lose her CBE over the Horizon scandal?
Is the Pope a Catholic?
he is wrong,hes knows the truth now and still he seems not bothered
She gave this man an easy ride. This is the man who took the right for people to have a bank account at the Post Office, leaving everybody at the mercy of the commercial banks who de-bank them at will.
Of course as leader of the company she should be held responsible and have the CBE honour removed. There are a lot of other who should lose honors as well. Davey, Cable,.......
No
Cable needs a live cable up his jacksy!😂
Disgraceful from Cable.
I was a civil servant for 30 years and the level of incompetence at the senior management level is breathtaking.
My late pal was a civil servant, he didn't have a good word to say about any of his useless managers.
@@jonathanlake6053 It's like the army. If you want to get rid of a useless sod, promote them. That's how they end up at the top.
Same throughout British Industry
All parts of the public service sector.
as opposed to the actual government who make the decisions?
so, he agrees that MP's and Ministers are to blame but doesn't think they should be held accountable. bloody typical.
Dreadful man with slippery shoulders. It is not about compensation. It is about prosecuting these people who are accountable!
They seemed perfectly happy to hold sub-postmasters accountable.
Obviously feels he shouldn't be accountable but others should.
This kind of mentality is totally normal for most MP's.
@@simonlevett4776ain’t that so F in true
As an ex postmaster, I say that post office is not fit for purpose and should be dismantled and disbanded and the management prosecuted for the damage they did. 🇬🇧
Them and most of the departments within our so called establishment ! All broken and rotten to the core !
Didn't Paula Vennells say that she had to protect the reputation of the Post Office? If so then she was happy to have innocent people found guilty.
Just an entitled cow in my opinion
Not protected now!
There is evidence she lied in parliament about Horizon not being accessed remotely. She was told it was, but wanted to be told it wasn't.
@@Yetaxa Yes and that is ridiculous itself. Every system that has a database can be accessed by an admin at root level. There is nothing dodgy about having the access itself because it is needed just in case the tables go corrupt or something but to claim no one can access the system without anyone knowing when it is possible by design is just an outright lie. It's only dodgy if the access is abused.
@@mharris7380all computer program writers leave a " back door " for easy access in order to trouble shoot and easily update systems. I thought that was common knowledge!
Listening to Vince Cable bumbling through this interview, contradicting himself, making excuses, avoiding any responsibility, avoiding apportioning any culpability you realise what an absolute waste of space he is.
he was a good tool for the tory party.i can see why he was hand picked to take blame poor sod.
Of course he is….like all grifters in the country.
That's the state of the Lib dems and the Greens.
notice he said its up to her whether she gives up her CBE because he is afraid they might come after his knighthood
he did not know .hmmmm
What a pair of snakes. Both Cable andDavey are direct responsible for what happened to these people. By the Post Office. These people should. Be no where near the government.
True. Both should be in jail and stripped of honours
He argues against accountability.
What a stance for a 'democrat' to take.
😂
no, he is arguing to wait until the outcome of the public enquiry and not jump on the screaming illiterate uninformed platform that JHB is on. she clearly has no understanding of procedure
So your on the dems side sounds bout right i am sure all those victims agree with you after losing everything lol @prvvideoonline7993
@prvvideoonline7993 do you mean the public enquiry which will cost the tax payer millions of pounds, no one will get jail time or lose their pension, and lawyers will be enriched . The end of which enquiry there will be statements like "systemic failure " " lessons need to be learned " THAT public enquiry?
I'm glad you have such faith in British justice....so did the Sub- postmasters....look where it got them!
Cable is a disgrace,he sold the people who voted for him down the river for a ministerial car.
Why didn't he raise it in parliament?
Exactly
Vichy Vince talks a big game, but never did anything.
So did the whole Lib Dem turncoats.....
@@charlesdale1462 the only thing they stood for was a david cameron speech.i see this comment not aged.
She should be jailed because she still carried on prosecuting innocent people
I don’t know about loosing her CBE , she should be locked up
100% correct
why not though? she got £400,000 bonus along with the award for destroying peoples lives. She should have the lot taken off her.
That's next; then the "Proceeds of Crime Act".
she well tory connected her kind never see a jail.
She's a Christian so will not face mere justice. She answers to a higher being
Sir Edd, Sir Vince, just shows you how worthless a knighthood is. 😡
My saying for the last twenty years is KNIGHTHOODS ARE TEN A PENNY.
Sir Savile, Sir Branson, Sir Sugar, Sir Jagger. The people who deserve to be recognised are the ones that turn down awards, just like Alan Bates who declined his award.
Spot on ....
Spot on!
how on earth did he get it ??
Listening to this interview. It seems to be a great like a good reason not to vote for that party.
what about not voting at all!!!
Cable repeatedly appears to want to shift the focus away from the crooks in the PO and Whitehall.
Don’t vote for ANY of the 3 largest parties. USELESS.
@@collier8931 Don't vote it only encourages the bastards.
❤@@collier8931
Strange, when it's a Conservative in charge,Vince Cable goes for their throat. When it's a Liberal,it's a group fault 😂😂
Blair was 1997 to 2007, it was under his watch initially. That's 10 yrs.
Vince Cable you are on the top of the tree. You are accountable. It is not group fault!! Take responsibility.
Hopefully this is the End of the 3 parties . What an unnecessary and costly group of People. Vince Cable should be ashamed of himself. When the Libdems SOLD their souls to the devil. They should never be in charge or enter office again....
Strange, when it's the Conservatives in charge (and has been for 13 years), you go for Vince Cable.
@keithhealing1115 the point is If there is a conservative in charge, he blames the Conservative who is in charge and says that person should take the blame,when it's Ed Davie involved his narrative changes to its group blame and you can't blame the person at the top.
He should be ashamed of himself he's a disgrace 😡
Also useless.
@jillmaltby these people are never ashamed until you threaten them with personal loss of money !
he is a waste of space he should more compassion for the post office workers
he is a waste of space he should more compassion for the post office workers
he is a waste of space he should more compassion for the post office workers
Don’t bother asking Vince Cable anything! He is a central part of the problem. Haul him and Ed Davey to court. They should get the full prison sentences for THEIR absolute gross negligence and incompetence in this matter, and the post office should pay each and every victim one million pounds. It must be dealt with immediately.
This is why we don't need a digital cashless identity
SAY IT LOUD 👍🏻👍🏻
Spot on. We are sleep walking to tyranny with a cashless society.....
Yes! Couldn't agree more.
Yes what could possibly go wrong
cant get change and card not work how to you travel ?
Cable once again distancing himself from blame, just like the other parasites who gladly take a salary but don't want any responsibility when it goes bad.,😡
Vince Cable is yet another money grabber whom I will never trust or believe a word he says. Remove his Knighthood.
Then, get him imprisoned.
Cable is a disgusting individual
Vince given a grilling. Well done, Julia!
True, but nothing will come of it. Scum like Cable seem to be bullet proof.
Just like the grooming gang scandals, they are protecting their own. The orders ALWAYS come from the top and go down. They were trying to sell it off at the time so what would they want to expose the computer scandal? He is as guilty as hell and has blood on his hands. He needs to be investigated.
It makes me sick that these politicians WILL NOT take the blame or responsibility for situations and for gross miscarriages of justice when they were in the ministerial seat, but it's alright we'll just have an expensive tax paying public enquiry to find out who will get away with such disgusting ignorance.
This is just like Yes Minister-----keep moving all officials around to avoid personal responsibility. That was supposed to be fiction.
He’s living in a fantasy world. People have DIED, families have been split, many have lost their friendships and freedom over Vennells’ and Fujitsu’s incompetence.
Individuals need to be locked up over this with no chance of parole given the lies told over this debacle.
Whoever allowed the post office to prosecute their own staff is responsible. NO organisation should be able to do this, it should have been referred to the police and investigated by them. Maybe then those that ran their own post offices would have not gone through this awful agony.
The police are too busy checking old Tweets.
Don't the BBC do this?
I agree. Commercial organisations should never have such powers.
We have already heard from that utter hypocrite and knight of the realm, Sir Ed Davey, who should also have got himself involved in this, and now we hear from Sir Vince Cable, another Liberal "Democrat", too. They are typically "weasel words" and bluster from both and help explain why the contempt in which they hold the electorate increasingly works the other way too.
Fujitsu, formerly ICL, a computer company whose software, I know from professional experience, often to have been released without adequate testing, seems to have gone "under the radar" in this scandal. Questions need to be asked of them too and they too should substantially contribute to the large pot of compensation money due to the several hundred and perhaps more, poor, innocent victims of their incompetence and dishonesty.
The really big question that should concern us all, however, is why did it take a TV dramatisation of this scandal to make our politicians finally get off their useless, lazy a***s?
And pervert the course of justice by committing perjury in order to prosecute them is beyond belief.
And you think the results would have been different? Remember the attitude of the police towards the child grooming scandal!
He said “pointing the finger is not particularly helpful “ ? Oh yes it is …. People who behave like the politicians and the CEO and countless others in power need to be shown that such contemptible behaviour is simply not acceptable in this day and age.
The avoidance of accountability with this guy is staggering. Also frightening.
I heard Cable and Davey had oversight of the Post office as ministers. They should have been screaming from the rafters in Parliment.
Beyond disgraceful.
They play the 'not helpful' card when they are in a corner and can't get out. Starmer did it when asked what a woman is.
Collective responsibility is no responsibility. Cable is a dedicated Remainer and the EU is the home of lack of responsibility. We need to have a better system to make politicians more answerable to the public. This is something I hope the Reform Party will reform.
Privatisation is the home of lack of responsibility, sell it off, pocket the money then claim no responsibility when things go wrong.
4:15 Vote Reform
Well said
I think the issue is the British politicians, who were in charge, and nothing to do with the EU.
The honours system in the UK is corrupt to the core and should be annulled FOREVER
Agree it no longer has worth or hounour
@@apiscator444 no one with honor needs a knighthood.
Cable (maybe he should have been named Cabal), Davey, Vennells, van den Bogerd are horrid people who have been granted "credibility" by the establishment and their Common Purpose clan. Thankyou Tony Blair for your CP patronage and promotion.
Don’t forget Adam Crozier.
He is partly to blame along with the rest of the ministers who turned a blind eye to eye
If anyone needs stripping of a title, Vince Cable does a real snake in the grass .
A cable wants placing round his neck I’m con VINCED of that 😂
@robbeales5516 Rob that made me chuckle....your the man :-)
Fortunately Mr Cable, not every MP was so lazy, and unwilling to take a closer look at a bizarre and illogical stance from the Post Office....James Arbuthnot stood up to be counted when needed, thank god there was at least one good man.
Cable was a f disgrace in this interview !
Yes. No more to be said. The man is dross.
F disgrace period.
@@charliegardner6804 And his mate Davey. Any Lib Dem for that matter, all time wasting, self righteous idiots.
He always has been.
I just can’t believe people who are paid over £100k a year without any benefits/add ons found it acceptable to take money from innocent ‘little’ people for so long! Not to mention it being from they’re own employer!!! Really just can’t get my head around this.
Over 750 people accused of theft or false accounting, yet not one person in government or the PO hierarchy raised the point that something might actually be wrong since there was such a high number of discrepancies.
Exactly. These people in positions of power in government or the Post Office are allegedly intelligent. Stupid and cowardly, more like. Also the CEO states it was her "duty to protect the reputation of the Post Office" ! Jail every one of these self serving slugs , including Fujitsu and so called upholders of the Law, judges who went along with this and never questioned the evidence, or lack of.
It's interesting that the much maligned Andrew Bridgen was campaigning on the issue in 2010. He knew something had gone badly wrong, and kept putting pressure on Parliament and Ed Davey to do something. But they all ignored him
exactly. this is the very point that is concerning
This is what happens when you have politicians that are stupid and detached from reality.
These overpaid cowards shift the blame pass the buck in any way they can. Refuse to take the blame or any responsibility no matter how big or small their involvement.
This BS Stance interview from Cable is the reason the postmasters have suffered for over 20 years..
Cable - "she has issued a collective apology and a very sincere apology."
Talk is cheap, Vince, money buys the whiskey.
The buck stops with the boss.
Rethink your views.
Typical, No accountability and deflection of blame to a wider group. If that's the case then all those involved should feel the full force of the law.
Being a grown up means accepting responsibility for our own actions.
Vince is looking or pretend to be so dumb, he makes my blood boil. It shows how much he knew as a minister or cared to find out what happened 20 years ago. His explanation is sounding so stupid. 🇬🇧
Anyone remember who said ''The implementation of Brexit must be stopped'' Yes, Vince - Liberal DEMOCRAT - Cable.
Lib dums vile party full of vile people
Neither liberal nor democrat. Not just him the entire party and its claque.
The libdems seem to be a filthy band of self serving politicians. Cable and Davey didn’t do their jobs properly when they had charge of post office matters and simply ignored the massive number of victims.
So he's not always wrong?
@@emdiar6588 of course that’s wrong.
I keep asking where did the so called stolen money go? Surely some accountants would have found it while doing the books, or did it just disappear. By the way what a despicable man Vince Cable is
The accounting system was so flawed it wasn’t even stolen. Someone remotely could just change the figures and nothing would add up.
It’s no different to finding that someone has accidentally paid moneys into your bank account and then keeping quiet about it .
it fed into profits. that's why police are now investigating this aspect. You are right, even if the money was wrongly allocated or transactions were lost, the overall sum of money sitting in the bank would have been correct and a discrepancy between computer totals and the amount in the PO bank should have been noticeable once a tax year had been cleared. Who were the accountants and why were the board just skimming on their arse not paying attention?
So he talked to the people and their families and still did nothing, I suppose he was too busy feeding at the trough of greed.
Gurantee no civil servant will ever be forced to take responsibility for their incompetence because it'll expose how many incompetent people are employed at a senior level.
Jail!! For all of those who were involved....................
Every man and his dog knew about this scandal when it was happening' hundreds of honest postmasters don't turn into thief's after a new computer system is fitted.
Poor old Vince, way out of his depth
Julia, as usual, hit the nail on the head. How is it that the P.O. didn’t immediately query why so many people were involved in this so called fraud? Wouldn’t that instantly set the alarm bells ringing? Complete incompetence, what a surprise.
Cable is up to his neck in this. Never trusted this pos.
This clearly shows that the government had an independent body, (The post Office) with the power to investigate itself, its employees, its own software and make a conclusion that was totally wrong, and unlawfully bring people before the courts, intimidating them to plead guilty under threat of a more serious charge if they didn't and the government had no power to stop it. Is this what Mr Cable is saying? Seems like it.
Cabel and Davey are always calling for others to resign for not doing enough, yet when it comes to them they think it doesn't relate to them
" when he was in office " his words a group came to see him about this .
Why the hell didn't he summon the board of the Post Office to come to Parliament to sort it out . Instead he didn't nothing .
Disgraceful
He should know the royal mail was a nationalise industry with a minister to oversee management until he sold it to his buddies in the city.
Quite! 👍🏻 A fairly decent drilling by the mouthy JHB all the same.
Royal mail has nothing to do with the post office,
2 completely desperate companies with individual board members,
@@pauldavies7251 Royal Mail are also a law unto themselves. A few years ago one their vans drove into the back of my van while I was waiting at a red light. Royal Mail handle their own vehicle insurance and it took months for them to admit liability and pay out, it was a constant battle.
This man is a despicable human being, he is all about protecting his mates in the club and as George Carlin said " it's a big club and you're not in it " when Nick Clegg got voted out of Parliament he went straight into Facebook as head of Facebook European affairs on a pay of 7 hundred a fifty thousand a year. Like I said it's a big club.
Another one that needs to lose his title.
The fact that the Post Office took out private prosecution against these poor people was just wrong, why didn’t they go to the police.
Because they had all signed contracts saying they would be personally liable for any shortfalls, and that the PO would prosecute them.
This clearly shows that the government had an independent body, (The post Office) with the power to investigate itself, its employees, its own software and make a conclusion that was totally wrong, and unlawfully bring people before the courts, intimidating them to plead guilty under threat of a more serious charge if they didn't and the government had no power to stop it. This is what Mr Cable is saying. How disgusting.
has cable ever had anything useful to add? he's a classic example of the dunning-kruger effect.
Cable had less than the 50 postmasters that were prosecuted tell him in a meeting that this is wrong and he said he saw the size of the problem.
Now we know there were 800 postmasters prosecited.
All these politicians must pay personally for all these crimes.
Agree, it should be on them and cartainly must not devolve onto the taxpayer …. That would be unbelievably outrageous
I think Cable should heed the old saying "It's better to remain silent and let people think you're a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt"
A typically disgraceful response. No one ever seems to be responsible. The board of directors must be held to account, otherwise what is their role? How do they propose to help those who committed suicide or have died ?
Vince Cable was the one overseeing making the Post Office Independent
This clearly shows that the government had an independent body, (The post Office) with the power to investigate itself, its employees, its own software and make a conclusion that was totally wrong, and unlawfully bring people before the courts, intimidating them to plead guilty under threat of a more serious charge if they didn't and the government had no power to stop it. This is what Mr Cable is saying. How disgusting. And he was one of the people that left them with those powers.
They should sell the propertys of those responsible and give the money to the post masters as compensation.
He’s waffling, stating people wil make “political capital” out of it, and he’s worried people want to go after individuals in gov and post office. Well YES, it’s time those took responsibility for it, not “group responsibility”
We have already heard from that utter hypocrite and knight of the realm, Sir Ed Davey, who should also have got himself involved in this, and now we hear from Sir Vince Cable too. They are typically "weasel words" and bluster from both and help explain why the contempt in which they hold the electorate increasingly works the other way too.
Fujitsu, formerly ICL, a computer company whose software, I know from professional experience, often to have been released without adequate testing, seems to have gone "under the radar" in this scandal. Questions need to be asked of them too and they too should substantially contribute to the large pot of compensation money due to the several hundred and perhaps more, poor, innocent victims of their incompetence and dishonesty.
The really big question that should concern us all, however, is why did it take a TV dramatisation of this scandal to make our politicians finally get off their useless, lazy a***s?
It’s called Royal Mail ,so let new rules be brought in quickly.all MPS are covering it up .
Its the Post Office not the Royal Mail
It was the same until 1 April 2012 ??,this all started 1999.???
@@davemartin7547 no royal mail and post office have been separate for a lot longer than that.
Please check ,as google says it official changed to post office Ltd
1 April 2012 ?.
You are weirdly both right.@@davemartin7547
Corruption is ripe, from the top down...
and this guy was supposed to have Liberal vaues FFS!!!!
"Never trust a Liberal" Malcolm X
THE ILLIBERAL LIBERAL 😂😂😂
Julia, a superb interviewer, well done.
Jail Cable .
Cable’s arrogance is disgusting and him trying to justify his failure is abominable.
the focus should be on compensation from the Post Office NOT tax payers. Because the post office stole their workers money and put it towards their profits, they took larger bonus profit sharing. That needs to be paid back as they stole that money. It is the post office bosses NOT the workers who were guilty of fraud. Compensation is far from the end of this sorry story. The law needs to be looking into all its PO workers who received bonuses and they should now pay it back.
It shows there's no honor amongst thieves as a lot of people benefited from this and some even got a knighthood out of this
You mean all thieves are honoured.
He just doesn't get it does he. If you have a problem and I would say 700 plus individual managers at the same time with a new system just implemented, is a big problem. As a CEO you investigate and start asking questions and sort it asap, not wait years later when you have ruined these peoples lives and cost the tax payers millions for an enquiry to see what could have been done better. At my work we had a new system put in years ago, it was a disaster, they binned it costing millions and nearly brought the company down. I wish these politicians just just tell the truth, but then they wouldn't know the truth if it slapped them in the face.
The issue is not the CBE - it's a smoke screen - as the chief executive officer of Post Office Limited overseeing the appalling conduct of her staff, she was the person at the top and she should be held responsible in the same way as someone without a dog collar and CBE would be.
A collective apology what a weasel
Post office should be made responsible for paying out compensation not the taxpayers.
Who owned the post office when it was all going on? Oh yes the public. So why would the post office pay for a government failure?
@@Philljag Who pays their MPs to represent them in Parliament O yes the taxpayers. I’m fed up with MPs making mistakes and taxpayers have to pick up the bill. Some of the time these MPs get moved on from that job and given another job to cock up. The should be held accountable by dipping their hands in their pockets.
@@suzann2531 So if you owned a company and there was suspected fraud and you then sold it.
Who is liable you or the new owner?
So why should Royal Mail have to pay anything?
@@Philljag I’m not a lawyer so I can’t say who is liable. Why are we responsible for governments mistakes especially when we pay them to do a job on our behalf then they make mistakes. They themselves should be held accountable maybe by reducing their pay and reducing their pension.
@@suzann2531 lol if you make mistakes the legal issues fall on you, you can’t sell something and hope the problems go away 😂😂
Yes they allowed the post office to investigate it self ,it’s outrageous .
I wont be voting Lib Dems again,its Reform for me and mine
what makes you think Reform will be any better than the Lib/Lab/Con? You're living in a dreamworld if you think Reform would be different!!
I've worked in the sub office network for 39 years, I dispute what Vince Cable has said. In my opinion I'd say that most of our 11500 offices have been affected. The important thing is the amounts in £s A sub post master has to make good the losses in a branch, and that's what we all did and stilm do. I know many many offices that failed to find a what the mistake was even with CCTV and just paid from their own money. We just never knew about anyone else having issues, and that's exactly what PO LTD executive's wanted, and they nearly got away with it. Vincent Cable is out of touch. Thank you Talk TV for keeping this current.
This clearly shows that the government had an independent body, (The post Office) with the power to investigate itself, its employees, its own software and make a conclusion that was totally wrong, and unlawfully bring people before the courts, intimidating them to plead guilty under threat of a more serious charge if they didn't and the government had no power to stop it. This is what Mr Cable is saying. How disgusting. And he was one of the people that left them with those powers.
pass the buck as usual
Listening to Mr Cable speak , you can see exactly how this scandal has been allowed to happen
This clearly shows that the government had an independent body, (The post Office) with the power to investigate itself, its employees, its own software and make a conclusion that was totally wrong, and unlawfully bring people before the courts, intimidating them to plead guilty under threat of a more serious charge if they didn't and the government had no power to stop it. This is what Mr Cable is saying. How disgusting. And he was one of the people that left them with those powers.
Anyone who runs a computerised Auditing / financial Operating system online Knows that it can be accessed remotely .How else would IT support correct any issues They wouldn't send a technician to every branch for every fault reported
This man is one of those who chose to bury his head in the sand because he was in a government post. Should he not have investigated this on behalf of his constituents?
Get this sorted conservatives or boycott all votes for them in the next general election.
Don't be a silly clown, this started under the labour government,
They're all as useless as each other
Vote Reform would be a start?
I've had a gutful of our 3 parties ,
I'm deffo voting reform
Shame on him, defending that evil woman. It was her job and his and Ed’s job to dig deeper and find the truth.
They were all happy to point the finger at the sub postmasters so yes, we can point the fingers back at them.
The civil servants need to be exposed.
Apologies don’t cut it Vince at this point.
He doesn't think pointing the finger at certain individuals is beneficial 😂 😂 😂 you can bet if it was just the tories responsibility he would be pointing all fingers at the Conservative ministers demanding they resign etc. This started with labour and carried on with liberal dems and the Conservative parties. The only minister that took up the fight at the beginning was a Conservative MP, Ed Davey needs to resign
What he means is no finger pointing at our own.
The ability to deny everything and admit nothing is surely the first thing that politicians learn.
One of the very best interviews I've ever seen on (You Tube) TV , Julia dished out the kicking Sir Vince Cable deserved.
Julia and Sam tried to do that but failed
Every minister & senior civil servant involved in this scandle & prosecutions should be personally questioned & all honours removed from them.
"to point the finger at people isn't helpful" enough said....cheeze....mate...get back to your "bedroom...absolutely outragious behaviour..
What respect I had for Vince Cable, almost went up in smoke with this interview. Yes there were many responsible but Vennells, like it or not, has to fall on her sword like any descent boss would do. The whole system is rotten to the core and this incident fully exposed by ITV has blown it wide open.
Worrying that you once had respect for this non-entity.
Cable and Davey were and are as useful as chocolate teapots! This will be just another coverup no one will face criminal charges they will just issue the usual "I'm sorry" insincere apology and think that's enough!
Vince Cable: "She's issued an apology..!"
Julia Hartley Brewer: "Oh! That's alright, then. Tell that to the parents!"
Dear God, please convict Vince of his lack of sensitivity, but most of all, please bring justice to those who allowed innocent men and women to be wrong-fully convicted, and even some of these poor souls took their lives. Please comfort those family members who lost loved-ones, by your Holy Spirit please comfort them and give them your peace.Please let the family members And please, let this be the demuse of the so-called Liberal-Democrat Party who are anything but Democratic, and cannot be trusted with power.
Is he all there 🤔 or looking after his own
good question.....and two easy answers.
Common Purposed.
Cable....another crony in the cronies club protecting his own. Bloody disgraceful man. I bet if he was on the other side of the fence he would certainly be calling a different tune.
This clearly shows that the government had an independent body, (The post Office) with the power to investigate itself, its employees, its own software and make a conclusion that was totally wrong, and unlawfully bring people before the courts, intimidating them to plead guilty under threat of a more serious charge if they didn't and the government had no power to stop it. This is what Mr Cable is saying. How disgusting. And he was one of the people that left them with those powers.
He admitted ABUSES were happening
This is the trouble with party politics. Cable knows full well that Davey was at the very least negligent. Yet still he decides to gaslight the public.
These are questions that Paula Vennells should have been asking years ago if she was doing her job properly. One is reminded of the Talk Talk computer scandal overlooked by its CEO. Dido Harding. Beware diversity appointments.
Time to disown the 3 main parties and vote for The Reform Party.
Wait for the "official independent enquiry" in around 30yrs when it's too late. SMH.
Wriggly Vince! Do any of these ever take responsibility,!