I didn't really see anything below about this. Adding more ram to your computer sort of depends on computer configuration, with a single stick of ram is going to be running in single channel mode. You always want to have your ram installed in pairs. So if you have 8 gigs of RAM you want that to be dual 4 Gig RAM modules, 16 Gigs of RAM you want dual 8 gig ram modules etc. Running your computer on a single stick of RAM means that the ram controller is only running with half the bandwidth. So, you are leaving some performance on the table when you really don't have to? Just try to have at least two ram sticks in your system.
@@LeePrzy No, because there is no such thing like quad-channel. One thing to know about is that if your motherboard has 4 memory slots and you have 2× 16GB sticks, then you'll want to put them in the slots 1+2 and leave the slots 3+4 empty (instead of putting them in the slots 1+3), because the dual-channel only works with the corresponding pairs of slots. Other thing to notice is that, on older motherboards, you may have a limitation of the capacity supported for each memory stick, so if your MB max is 8GB/stick, then it won't handle 2× 16GB and you'll need 4× 8GB.
The best increase in speed for me came when I changed out my old hard drive for an SSD drive. And it was a fairly inexpensive upgrade which also provided a greater storage capacity.
Going from rotary to SSD hard drives was the best bang for buck speed up when I upgraded all my old PCs, they already had enough ram. Windows Explorer still causes grief when I have lots of applications open.
Very interesting. It's also important to note that most modern mother boards support dual-channel memory. Dual-channel memory is a technology that uses two memory channels to increase the rate of transfer between your computer's memory and the CPU. In dual-channel mode, two RAM sticks communicate simultaneously on separate channels to operate your computer and run programs significantly faster. What does this mean? If you are going to use 16G of RAM in your system, it is significantly better to use two 8G sticks rather than one 16G stick. This is especially true if you have a Ryzen CPU
It expands the 64bit Memory bus to 128bit effectively doubling the available bandwidth. This doesn't mean double the performance but you can see a clear gain on most applications. 4 sticks can be beneficial especially with a built in GPU such as a G series Ryzen. That would use TWO dual channel memory channels. Many times four slower memory modules can outperform one or two faster modules due to the increased memory bandwidth. With Ryzen though also remember that the Infinity Fabric as they call it runs faster with faster memory so the ideal set up is FOUR fast memory modules.
Love the emphasis on matching speeds with motherboard choice. Pairing there is key and as mentioned below of course it is better to run 2 sticks of RAM together. Putting more focus on the motherboard speeds available and if that may be the area that needs the speed increase rather than just throwing more RAM in the metal box is refreshing to see being brought to light. Keep putting info out there!
Adding RAM top your computer will ABSOLUTELY allow it to run faster. As will swapping in SSD drives, removing startups, increasing page file reducing visual performance ....
Actually it depends on the situation, because it can actually do that. But primarily for must consumers you need a decent ssd. Alternatively the second you go past 4 Gb of ram Windows does better on memory management (on 64 bit systems)
Well, here's the thing--it used to be good advice, and still can be. But today, few computers are sold that are starved for RAM. This was not always the case in the past. I used to fix and optimize computers as a hobby (well, still do). It was not uncommon when getting a complaint about a brutally slow system to find one that was RAM starved and swapping everything to the disk drive, which for a spinning disc system is orders of magnitude slower than RAM. Today, with SSDs common, and systems coming with pretty much 8GB of RAM minimum, this almost never happens. Still, if your memory is regularly at 80 to 90% capacity, it is worth either figuring out what is using it all. If those needs are valid, upgrade your RAM. While your SSD is much faster that an old HDD, you don't want to thrash them either.
I dunno man, I do a lot of heavy video editing. It's got an intel core i5 and 8gb ram (single slot) and it was starting to get sluggish after 1 hour of use. I upgraded the ram to 32gb (2 x 16gb slots) and now it flies by no problem after a full day!!!
There are some instances where more RAM will make your computer faster. One of them is when you have too many apps open and it has to save on the hard drive the current app or apps, which slows the computer down, so it's able to open a new one.
Have been using 16gb last few years with absolutely no issues for daily use of YT, some PUBG. Just purchased an addtitional 16gb. It's nice to treat your computer sometimes.
You don't buy memory to speed-up the computer itself, but it allow the speed to be fully utilized by more processes. You buy more memory to facilitate multi-processes workflows with many applications open, such as multimedia creation for example. RAM makes a big difference when you have a single computer and need to use it while rendering a big project in the background, for example. If you game only, more memory is completely useless, as you only have one app open at a time!
True, multiple displays , game on one - trading on second and maybe even office/work emails on the third , each one having it's own tabs open, it is also easier to save the workload or pause/sleep and then come back at a later time without losing anything! I'm using a laptop for example, I have a an external display and ran into many issues because of having 8gb soldered memory and not being able to upgrade. With that said you don't need an exorbitant amount like 64 or 128gb - you just need a few GB's more than your peak workload.. like your max consumption with all the tabs open and all the apps/design software/editing etc 24gb - you should be completely fine with 32gb of RAM and would not benefit from the 64gb .. but these days two sticks of 32gb cost like $90 on sale, so if you have the cash and want to throw it for the giggles and bragging rights then no body's stopping you!
Beyond 8gb of ram, it is rarely an effective upgrade for most users. And yet it is often quoted as a necessary upgrade by most folks. I upgraded to 16gb earlier this week. I still can't get past the 7gb utilization mark. I hope Adobe makes my upgrade worthwhile, because web browsing, office work and light gaming, absolutely does not need more than 8gb.
Liron you are probably the person who supplies the most logical - close to computer for dummies - advice. I think you one of the best our there as you make idiots like me feel intelligent as I understand so much more after watching your videos.
@hansielategan969 don't create an idol for yourself. Just because someone is more tech savvy than you, doesn't mean he will tell you always accurate information. Don't consume information from just one source. Be doubtful, take information with a grain of salt, validate its correctness from multiple respectful sources, do your own research. Otherwise you may get easily fooled intentionally or unintentionally.
Agreed, memory upgrades nowadays are rarely the best choice to improve performance. However, the combination of adding 4 GB of RAM and a SATA SSD to an older PC can breath new life into it for as little as a $150 spend. Of course, installing Linux Lite on that old PC, with no hardware upgrades, can have much the same effect.
I remember upgrading my old windows 98 PC from 32MB to 512MB and MAN! that was one of the best upgrade I have ever felt I had gotten Value from. The PC ran so much smoother.
Interesting video! I've always heard the debate about whether adding more RAM actually improves computer speed. It's fascinating to see you tackle this topic and provide insights. I appreciate the explanation and the debunking of the myth. Keep up the great work!
Not so much today, but years ago, memory made a huge difference in speed. It could reduce or eliminate memory swapping when running larger programs, programs that used lots of data from disk that had to be buffered, etc. Most of those days has been designed out of today's computers.
I have to disagree, I am the it guy in my workplace and my manager had issue that she couldn't print pdf opened in chrome, my co-worker tried different virtual solutions but then I asked him to let me check how much ram does she have, I checked and saw 8 gb so I went to bring another stick of 8 and then when she had 16 gb it had no problem printing the pdf file from chrome
With OS on a harddrive, memory speed makes a ton of difference. I remember having 1333 MHz memories and switched to 2133 memories - both 8 GB kits - and it was like night and day. Today, most people have SSD:s, so this issue is pretty much nonexistent nowadays though.
@@bar506 The bigger reason is installing a second stick of ram also enabled dual channel. This increases response times buy about 30%. 16 gigs of ram is what a standard gaming system has. The average office computer doesn't need it. That of course depends on what you do for a living.
Think of Disk Drives as a well and Ram as a Bucket. Bigger Bucket more water transferred from the well at a time. Processor is speed that bucket goes up and down the well
Often MBs support a different max clock speed based on whether you have two or four slots populated. People who want to max it out will have to determine what's more important between what benefits from the higher capacity or what benefits from the higher clock speed.
i just wanna correct something since this and some other videos mislead me when buying RAM. 7:30 and 5:01 - also check how much RAM does your CPU support ;) mine for example runs at 3200Mhz but supports ONLY up to 2666mhz and it doesn't matter that my motherboard also supports 3200Mhz. even my XML profile thought i can run 3200mhz ram but the limit of my CPU (which is stated in official AMD website in the specs) is actually 2666Mhz. i was getting crazy stutters and once i figured this out and brought it down to 2666mhz, everything runs smooth again.
More often than not, the RAM currently installed does not run at it's correct speed, as it defaults to a standard/lower (safe) speed. As where configuring RAM correctly when possible, does make a difference, in some cases drastic, and others, minimal, but still a speed increase. Another factor especially if/when using SSD M.2 or even standard SATA, manually setting the page file to a faster drive, can make a difference when maxing out available RAM. Vitual Memory = Page File (utilizes space on drive(s)) If/when adding more RAM or replacing current modules (if board/bios supports faster speed/increased capacity) ensuring the bios is configured correctly if possible, (as well as matching sticks of RAM (Speed and capacity) will play a factor.
All systems have a bottleneck, to make a PC faster, you speed up the bottleneck. The only exception is the video card or peripherals, which can be sped up individually. To check for a bottlenecks use the command prompt and run winsat formal.
Honestly, if you're working on graphics intensive PowerPoint slides, 8gb of ram is not enough. You will have trouble even clicking undo buttom. Adding to that, 8gb ram is just enough to run word with a few chrome tabs opened, if you're doing some research, with the microsoft office open you will run out of ram very fast, might need to refresh the tabs again and again just to compare somethings. Dont forget the shared memory taken by the integrated graphics for system that doesnt have graphic card. That is also something kills your ram capacity. So adding more ram does technically helps with performance. From my experience.
Many long years ago, back when I had Win95, P120 and 16Mb ram. It was slow. Then I went out and got another 16Mb ram, £60 it cost. Now with 32Mb, Win95 flows like a wind. I have never seen that performance boots on any PC ever since. How times have changed.
Nevertheless, if you work with a lot of memory-consuming programs (either really needed or due to bad programming), then even if you have 16GB RAM, you can experience some slowdowns. In those scenarios, more RAM can and usually will help (not to the extent that we've seen in the scenario you've described, but at least to a decent amount).
My work PC was 4Gb RAM running on Windows 7. IT Department upgraded to Windows 10. Instantly a somewhat usable PC became VERY frustrating to use because I have many applications running simultaneously. It is a must, not a privilege to have these open. I upgraded my PC to 16 Gb (maxed it out), and then everyone else I added an 8 Gb stick so they now have 12 Gb. Once booted, it is like Night and Day difference!!!!!!!
@@DonLicuala yes. One on the PC’s had 8 Gb and that guy wasn’t having the issues the rest of us did. After upgrading him to 12, he said it didn’t seem to make much, if any, difference.
100% - as I said, if you are maxing out your RAM, then by all means. But if you are not, there are other components that will make more of a difference.
Ram is mostly about allowing efficient speeds while running multiple programs "processes". Run out of ram because you are running tons of processes? Your computer is going to slow down like crazy. A lot of times your speed is being bottlenecked in some way. You have to find out what the weakest link is and upgrade it.
Try rendering texture in solidworks. 16 gb ram equals 7 hours to render. The same system at 128 gb ram 15 seconds. It is very dependent on what your pc is used for.
OK, I researched and according to what I found the amount of ram that is utilized is limited to the type of Windows system that is on your PC/Laptop is running. They said that the regular Windows that comes with laptops is limited to using 8GB of RAM as its max where as the Windows Pro can utilize more RAM. So I figured I will upgrade to the Windows Pro version to see if the laptop can access the memory above 8GB of RAM. Even with my not so new Toshiba Qosmio Quad-Core i7 gaming computer, it never accessed any memory above 8GB. Everyone of the suggestions on all the Internet and UA-cam has produced nothing. Maybe it is time for a new improved laptop.
It also depends on the motherboard and OS. Your motherboard needs to be able to support the number of slots your laptop has. For my six year old laptop, it could only had two slots so I bought two 16GB RAM sticks that were sold as a kit. As for the OS, check the max RAM the OS supports.
I do 3D 'art' stuff and video editing. My 64GB Ram usually is about 31% use all the time. And when using Adobe products I am usually at 60% use, and I've gotten it to 80% at times. Although if I didn't use heavy programs like that I'd not need anything like I do for video editing. I can see me putting my next system tougher with 128 GB in a few years when I build a new system to replace my 5950x 16 core system.
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It would be interesting to hear your opinion on building suitable home pcs used or with used components. I stopped buying new pcs like i don't ever buy new cars. If you're not a gamer at all i think i can chop 2/3 or more off the price vs a new one for my needs. Anyway would be interested to hear your take on that, thanks for such great informative videos!
With such a setup, the owner of such used components are one's own tech support. Many such non-gamers, non-power users would be better off with a mid-range mini-PC. Mid range being in the $300 to 500 range. For example, right now, one can purchase a new mini-PC with 8 cores, 16 threads, 32G ram, 500 G nvme hard drive, and still be under $400. These models are typically JUST integrated graphics; but if that's OK.. Sure, if you have EVERY component you need to build, and not have to buy anything, building your own from scraps MIGHT work if the parts play together nicely; but once you have to buy one or two new components, well, it's starting to get hard to justify. Heck, a quad core, with 16G ram, 500G nvme drive can be had for UNDER $200.
Very true that if your apps under their most intense processes still shows a lot of unused RAM under Task Manager, then more RAM isn't going to change much of anything about performance other than aftermarket RAM sticks often have slightly better latency timings, and thus are slightly faster than stock RAM sticks.
There is something like future proofing too, but still depends on what you do. In my case I work for more than 30 years with CAD/Simulation programs and have learned that the best thing is to buy as well specked your computer, or specifically your laptop, as your wallet can handle. It will hold up for much more time and these laptops can be handled down to do office work later on.
@@LironSegevIndeed. At the moment I am debating whether to stay at 16gb, or go to 32gb or even 64gb, because my graphics card (Intel Iris Xe) uses the installed system RAM and does not have dedicated video RAM. The question is, would getting more system ram also improve video performance, since in theory that would make more RAM available for the graphics card. Thoughts?
depends if you have an intel PC.. you can in essence only upgrade within the same generation or if lucky to the next.. then only ram and new grafics card is an option. having an AMD AM4 it is definitely better to upgrade to a new generation cpu accompanied by by a ramspeed and ramsize upgrade. So depending on your setup, an upgrade of an amd system can be much more uselful.
Excellent video, thank you. I’ve done a few tests on my RAM, and notice that there is such a thing called standby RAM. You can clear this using RAMMAP to free up RAM, but then it fills up again over time. Would you be able to delve a little deeper into how buying more RAM might provide more space for this standby RAM, and would that speed things up? Cheers.
I can tell you, it made a huge difference when I started. Being able to create a ramdisk, and load a floppy into it, man, the speed difference was enormous! I often want to use more RAM for games like fallout 4 but they really don't like it. You get all sorts of weird problems. It's a shame because being able to load more cells would make life so much easier, but it really is not well optimised. I think it was fallout 3 that used to crash because it would load cells into RAM and then sometimes forget to get rid of them. Programs like Blender and video editing generally do make use of it and it is a big deal. Then you have to worry about what the motherboard supports. This laptop is reasonably new but I think the manufacturer said it was limited to 32 gig, which seems odd. In mainframes, I had a friend who told me about how they had to *reduce* the RAM to speed up the computer as it was spending too much time managing memory. That sounded like a horror story to me, like having to remove toes to run faster.
Sometimes the amount of installed RAM is not the one to blame, but some software that is badly designed. There are some antiviruses that, when doing their periodic thorough analysis, simply eat up an unnecessary amount of CPU and RAM, causing a massive slowdown. If that is the case, my recommendation is to look for a better piece of software to replace it.
How is your memory usage so low? My 8 GB RAM computer starts from 50% and easily goes to 75% RAM utilization! My main computer has 16 GB RAM and has 67% "in use"!
I'd say 4GB of ram is not enough these days, Windows 10 is a bloated resource hog. With just the OS + browser running the ram usage is already up to or over 2.5GB out of the 4 available. And it really says 3.8 as 200mb is reserved. So at a minimum it should be 8GB otherwise the computer will start slowing down & at times become unresponsive. Note: I had to delete comment & repost it, it showed when logged in. Logged out it was hidden.
The information in this video is outdated. We now upgrade memory to increase bandwidth and lower voltage requirement. Low latency custom kits. Thank you for your time my Shalomie.
hi Liron, installing a lot of RAM all depends on the programs you run, if you use a DAW (digital audio workstation) and you load a lot of instrument in, then you will need the maximum of RAM you put into your PC if you only do wordprocessing not so much
If you have the minimum required RAM for your O.S. (e.g. Windows 11), then getting additional RAM will help. The reason for this is because the O.S. uses more of the hard drive as RAM to keep the system running, sloooooowing it way down. Above that, it's only for intensive use like video editing or full AAA gaming.
I have a spare laptop with a celeron n4020, 4gb of ddr3 soldered on ram and 64gb emmc. It is far from great specs, but it barely uses any wattage, can do 4k streaming with just a few frames dropped and it would still have enough headroom to use Open office's suite in the background. It's build quality isnt great being part of the infamous Lenovo IdeaPad series, but I have used it a few times to test what it can do over some years and it is still holding up. It also does seem more responsive running Linux (Windows-Like Elegant distribution called ZorinOS). Not one i would use for gaming, but it still serves its purpose, and for a "used" price of 40 bucks I can't complain. Sorry about this being poorly worded as english isnt my native language.
explain this then windows 11 uses 8 gigs of ram to it self just to get to the desk top so if all you have is 8 gigs of ram in your computer all your programs will use swap and your computer takes a performace hit as well.if you mix speeds of ram you cause problems everyone else on youtube has proven that already
@@LironSegev i dont need to watch it again i know this stuff better then most people do i have been and both Apple and PC certifed Tech for over 30+ years now
So then you should know better than most people that is a computer has 16gn ram and as you open up more apps you use more and more ram. But if after opening up everything and using all the high intensive app you only ever use 8gb then adding 16gb more ram won't do anything. It won't magically use swap files differently. And re mixing speeds, I literally said that. But hey,
It’s quite simple really. Start your computer and then open all of the programs, applications and video games you wish to run simultaneously and then watch memory usage in task manager. If your memory is at e.g. 80% or higher, you need more ram. The main problem the way I see it is that many applications today are extremely poorly optimized, causing them to draw more ram than necessary from your computer. One example is web browser such as Edge. It’s ridiculous how much ram it uses for only having one or two tabs open.
I bought an m2 nvme drive and an pcie x4 adapter and that made a lot of difference, had an ordinary ssd before. Have an old i7 processor with 4ghz clock.
The metaphor I use to explain RAM is of a whiteboard, while storage is a bookshelf. The bigger the board the more you can do at once. Your RAM speed is how fast you can read and write on it. The CPU is the person reading the books from the shelf and writing on the board.
If you go (mixing up) different ram kits. You can only run your ram at the lowest common clock speed. Or you are not going to POST. ROG motherboards have a button that will do this for you. All easy, peasy. The way I remember it's toward one of the edges, about an inch in. Get in your manual. They call it (mem OK). I've only used it once. so I don't even remember much about it. I buy ram in a KIT anymore. A 4x8 kit is pretty overkill for my needs. But they are all the same clock-speed. So, I tell myself I am "future proofing".
i would like your help please . How can i Safely Transfer Programs from C Drive to D Drive for Free ? Could you please make a video showing me ? Is there a program that does this ? please advice !
ive been wanting to upgrade my ram from 8gb to 16 since that's all my all in once pc can take, sometimes when i use Davinci and try to import videos it takes a while even when i use google chrome to watch youtube the videos lag, iam currently using cape cut which the importing wait and exporting wait is about the same as Davinci, i just hate waiting when i don't have to and i have seen 16 gb of ram on crucial and amazon for around 40 bucks so i wouldn't be spending that much for ram!
I agree with everything here, but I've been noticing how "software creep" has been advancing quickly too. As an extreme example, the early versions of Netscape were 1MB, and now it's 80MB. Everything is getting bigger and hungrier for RAM, and people are using tabs a lot more. I've run into so many situations where people have browsers using 4-7GB on their own. They also have Discord, Steam, Thunderbird or Outlook, Office, and maybe a few more electron web based apps, etc., and suddenly they're actually using 14GB or more of RAM. Just recently, I've come to the conclusion that I'm no longer recommending 8GB of RAM as a comfortable safe level, but now recommending people start with at least 16. Also, it's sounding like Windows 12 may have a requirement of 16, for the AI assistant stuff that it's going to include, so that probably means people should really shoot for 32 going forward. It really seems insane to me, because just a couple years ago, I would have said that almost everyone (aside from power users and gamers) would be fine with 8.
if you have 4 gigs or less of ram then yes buying ram might improve performance. a ssd or nvme with also help significantly. cooling is another thing to look into.
Would it be safe to say that adding additional ram to a bogged down system (high memory usage/cpu) would not increase speed but increase system performance? make it smoother in performance? older i5, 8gb ddr3, hdd with many tabs open
How old is that i5? 6th gen and later might benefit from 16 GB. However 5th gen i5 and earlier needs a CPU upgrade to an i7/i9 from the same generation or a newer generation depending on what is cheaper for you.
Back in the 80's when our memory was measured in kilobytes and DOS could not access above 640k, we had memory access programs like QEMM and various memory compression programs. That's probably where this originated from. For reference, my first computer had 8k of ram. How far we have come.
My laptop came with 16gb ram, but was using 10+gb, so i upgraded to 64gb ddr5 5600 Crucial ram, and it's using 12+ now with not much going on. I went and stopped a few processes from running at startup, but im not sure what bloatware, or programs are using so much memory. Processor is an i7 ultra 155h, 4.8ghz, with a RTX 4070 gpu, and the aforementioned 64gb of ddr5 5600 Crucial ram.
"Not Really," regarding RAM increasing computer performance, is a bit disingenuous. I think it would have been best to say, "It Depends" at the beginning of the video. The first thing a user should look at is the computer's performance in Task Manager, which you didn't touch on in your video. If I look at task manager and see the CPU or Storage is at 100% utilization, while the RAM is coasting along, I'm not going to suggest the user upgrade their RAM. I'm going to look into the hardware that is bottlenecking the performance. A failing or slow storage device, or the application that is pushing the CPU to it's limits. The rest of your video is really saying it depends and that adding more RAM or replacing some that is failing, WILL make your computer perform better. Hopefully your audience won't take the title of your video and make it harder for us technicians out in these streets, when we do see that their RAM is indeed the bottleneck, lol.
Nowadays its I/O that is the bottleneck to speed. If you're not running and SSD, then you are not going to get much of a boost in performance. I was blown away when I made the switch from spinning disks to SSD's. AMAZING! Even on older netbooks, it made them come alive.
It might not make your computer faster but if it is doing a lot of swapping to a hard drive it will speed it up!! Who had an old computer that had 128 MB of DDR 1 RAM? I am sure that any of you who did may have noticed swapping. You will know when you see it the computer becomes so slow it seems unusable at times when this happens and you notice the HDD activity light and maybe even notice the sound of the drive working frantically to keep up with the rest of the computer. We all know that those drives are often the bottleneck of any PC since them being mechanical can make them really slow
I have 12g ddr4 ram Normally I'm using between 8-10 of that Would going to 16 or 32 help? It can get sloggy when I open tons of programs and browsers I5 8 th gen processor no GPU
So true. For meaningful performance increase, you have to address all of the system bottlenecks. Performance is no greater than your biggest bottleneck will allow. The free version of belarc advisor will tell you everything about your computer resources.
Helpful video I recently bought identical rams to make my pc run at 32 and it slowed down my computer I checked the frequency they’re all the same identical so I was upset and than decided to take out 16gb to run the pc at 16 and it runs way smoother while gaming so I’m like wow what is wrong with this thing .. now I’m on this UA-cam channel that’s why I’m here ..
@@LironSegev I was able to fix my problem where my original theory might have been wrong . I put new rams in my pc and instead of pushing the f1 key or f2 to let my pc figure on its own I pushed the f5 into running speed test into bios where it turned on all frequencies to maximum testing and acknowledged my upgrade . My computer is now running fine while gaming with 32gb of ram even faster than before actually it just had to be corrected in bios . Stuff like that took some of my time and thinking though but o well atleast it works perfect now in the future I’m going to get the new ryzen but haven’t found any new games I like yet because all the new games are like a movie where your playing in cutscenes so it’s not even a game anymore it’s more like watching a movie so I’ll wait until something big comes out .. hoping for StarCraft 3 or a new Warcraft and possibly a new Skyrim .
I had mixed results with PrimoCache, I have 128GB, was fine with 64GB thought I use the other for a cache of some kind, in hind sight I would have got an intel process and use intel Optane, but I got AMD and thats that.
Basically not enough ram is a part usaly the most common part of the slow pc problem , cpu speed is a second on and gpu is the 3rd . 4th is disk drive speed / ssd read write speed
An MS tech (not over the phone :) ) said that there is one more step to adding ram...he maintained that whilst Windows will recognise and use the new addition - the system won't be fully optimised until there is a clean install of Windows. Was he right Liron?
hmmm - a clean install helps if the system is really bogged down with loads of apps and bloatware. Not sure what that has to do with new RAM though as the computer will use whatever resources it has
I have a bunch of Processes that open on my PC. Is there an easier way to find which ones are necessary and which I can close down,without having to search out the individual process to try to determine if it's needed or not?
----- - The 'RAM amount' and the 'RAM speed' depend heavily on workload... Of course, your need for more or even faster RAM is pretty much nonexistent if all you do is read your digital newspaper and play solitaire all day. Funnily enough, pretty much all the RAM comparatives I've seen so far on 'UA-cam' have either been centered on the 'RAM amount' or 'RAM speed'. Why no one as far as I'm aware anyway has ever done a comparison focusing on both as in 'RAM amount vs RAM speed'. Going from the absolute minimum amount of RAM all the way up to the maximum amount of RAM for a 'Normal' computer/workstation. Compared to going from the absolute minimum speed of RAM all the way up to the maximum speed of RAM for a 'Normal' computer/workstation. F.e., comparing the minimum amount of fast RAM to the maximum amount of slow RAM. From that, touch on when to go for RAM amount over RAM speed and vice versa... And to figure out the 'Goldilocks-Zone' as far as RAM is concerned. At least roughly anyway since the myriad of HW-combos is dizzying, to say the least. -----
I didn't really see anything below about this. Adding more ram to your computer sort of depends on computer configuration, with a single stick of ram is going to be running in single channel mode. You always want to have your ram installed in pairs. So if you have 8 gigs of RAM you want that to be dual 4 Gig RAM modules, 16 Gigs of RAM you want dual 8 gig ram modules etc. Running your computer on a single stick of RAM means that the ram controller is only running with half the bandwidth. So, you are leaving some performance on the table when you really don't have to? Just try to have at least two ram sticks in your system.
So is 4 sticks better then 2 sticks 8,8,8,8 vs 16,16
I did I exactly that bishop, computer worked even better
@@LeePrzy Exactly what I want to know. I was running 2x8gb. Wanted to go up to 32gb. Ended up just adding 2 more 8gb.
@@LeePrzy If you don't intend to overclock, it doesn't make much difference. However, it's harder to overclock four sticks of RAM than two.
@@LeePrzy No, because there is no such thing like quad-channel. One thing to know about is that if your motherboard has 4 memory slots and you have 2× 16GB sticks, then you'll want to put them in the slots 1+2 and leave the slots 3+4 empty (instead of putting them in the slots 1+3), because the dual-channel only works with the corresponding pairs of slots. Other thing to notice is that, on older motherboards, you may have a limitation of the capacity supported for each memory stick, so if your MB max is 8GB/stick, then it won't handle 2× 16GB and you'll need 4× 8GB.
The best increase in speed for me came when I changed out my old hard drive for an SSD drive. And it was a fairly inexpensive upgrade which also provided a greater storage capacity.
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@@pro_scooterboy5000 I needed a new drive
I have a very old Lenovo laptop do you think they make a compatible SSD drive for it?
hard drives to ssd is a game changer. put windows on the ssd and your pc will boot up 10x faster
@@psykokane 💯
Going from rotary to SSD hard drives was the best bang for buck speed up when I upgraded all my old PCs, they already had enough ram. Windows Explorer still causes grief when I have lots of applications open.
could be your cpu speed
Define old. Sata II computers are nearly identically slow with SSD's.
Very interesting. It's also important to note that most modern mother boards support dual-channel memory. Dual-channel memory is a technology that uses two memory channels to increase the rate of transfer between your computer's memory and the CPU. In dual-channel mode, two RAM sticks communicate simultaneously on separate channels to operate your computer and run programs significantly faster. What does this mean? If you are going to use 16G of RAM in your system, it is significantly better to use two 8G sticks rather than one 16G stick. This is especially true if you have a Ryzen CPU
It expands the 64bit Memory bus to 128bit effectively doubling the available bandwidth. This doesn't mean double the performance but you can see a clear gain on most applications. 4 sticks can be beneficial especially with a built in GPU such as a G series Ryzen. That would use TWO dual channel memory channels. Many times four slower memory modules can outperform one or two faster modules due to the increased memory bandwidth. With Ryzen though also remember that the Infinity Fabric as they call it runs faster with faster memory so the ideal set up is FOUR fast memory modules.
Love the emphasis on matching speeds with motherboard choice. Pairing there is key and as mentioned below of course it is better to run 2 sticks of RAM together. Putting more focus on the motherboard speeds available and if that may be the area that needs the speed increase rather than just throwing more RAM in the metal box is refreshing to see being brought to light. Keep putting info out there!
"lets open up chrome"
The 8gb ram: *90% utilization*
don't use Chrome
I got 64 gigs of ram
Chrome users definitely need more ram. They could use more neurons too.
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Adding RAM top your computer will ABSOLUTELY allow it to run faster. As will swapping in SSD drives, removing startups, increasing page file reducing visual performance ....
Watch the video again and pay attention to the bit where I talk about maximizing your RAM. Or dont. I really don't care.
I buy ram so I can leave my 100 browser tabs open......
It seems like somebody has been watching Linus Tech
@@GoonyMclinux I don't even browse that much i just want the bragging rights.
Actually it depends on the situation, because it can actually do that. But primarily for must consumers you need a decent ssd. Alternatively the second you go past 4 Gb of ram Windows does better on memory management (on 64 bit systems)
Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video
Well, here's the thing--it used to be good advice, and still can be. But today, few computers are sold that are starved for RAM. This was not always the case in the past. I used to fix and optimize computers as a hobby (well, still do). It was not uncommon when getting a complaint about a brutally slow system to find one that was RAM starved and swapping everything to the disk drive, which for a spinning disc system is orders of magnitude slower than RAM.
Today, with SSDs common, and systems coming with pretty much 8GB of RAM minimum, this almost never happens. Still, if your memory is regularly at 80 to 90% capacity, it is worth either figuring out what is using it all. If those needs are valid, upgrade your RAM. While your SSD is much faster that an old HDD, you don't want to thrash them either.
I should have said that...oh wait...I literally did 😜
@@LironSegev LOL, I probably missed it--you know, you hear what you expect to hear, yada yada yada.
I dunno man, I do a lot of heavy video editing. It's got an intel core i5 and 8gb ram (single slot) and it was starting to get sluggish after 1 hour of use. I upgraded the ram to 32gb (2 x 16gb slots) and now it flies by no problem after a full day!!!
that's right, do the RAM upgrade. RAM is cheap. 32GB is minimum, will satisfy most users.
There are some instances where more RAM will make your computer faster. One of them is when you have too many apps open and it has to save on the hard drive the current app or apps, which slows the computer down, so it's able to open a new one.
Have been using 16gb last few years with absolutely no issues for daily use of YT, some PUBG. Just purchased an addtitional 16gb. It's nice to treat your computer sometimes.
You don't buy memory to speed-up the computer itself, but it allow the speed to be fully utilized by more processes. You buy more memory to facilitate multi-processes workflows with many applications open, such as multimedia creation for example. RAM makes a big difference when you have a single computer and need to use it while rendering a big project in the background, for example. If you game only, more memory is completely useless, as you only have one app open at a time!
True, multiple displays , game on one - trading on second and maybe even office/work emails on the third , each one having it's own tabs open, it is also easier to save the workload or pause/sleep and then come back at a later time without losing anything!
I'm using a laptop for example, I have a an external display and ran into many issues because of having 8gb soldered memory and not being able to upgrade. With that said you don't need an exorbitant amount like 64 or 128gb - you just need a few GB's more than your peak workload.. like your max consumption with all the tabs open and all the apps/design software/editing etc 24gb - you should be completely fine with 32gb of RAM and would not benefit from the 64gb .. but these days two sticks of 32gb cost like $90 on sale, so if you have the cash and want to throw it for the giggles and bragging rights then no body's stopping you!
Beyond 8gb of ram, it is rarely an effective upgrade for most users. And yet it is often quoted as a necessary upgrade by most folks.
I upgraded to 16gb earlier this week. I still can't get past the 7gb utilization mark. I hope Adobe makes my upgrade worthwhile, because web browsing, office work and light gaming, absolutely does not need more than 8gb.
I play minecraft primarily, and i had to upgrade from 64 to 128 gigs because it was using 100% of it...
This. Not for speed. The bigger amount of RAM is useful for video editing stuff like After Effects and so.
@@Gogohobbytv and bigger texture and mod packs ;)
Liron you are probably the person who supplies the most logical - close to computer for dummies - advice. I think you one of the best our there as you make idiots like me feel intelligent as I understand so much more after watching your videos.
appreciate you!
@@LironSegev Does the expansion of the HD helps on how can a laptop be.
Yes. More free space is definitely a big help. Changing to an SSD is the best investment you can make imho
@hansielategan969
don't create an idol for yourself. Just because someone is more tech savvy than you, doesn't mean he will tell you always accurate information. Don't consume information from just one source. Be doubtful, take information with a grain of salt, validate its correctness from multiple respectful sources, do your own research. Otherwise you may get easily fooled intentionally or unintentionally.
Agreed, memory upgrades nowadays are rarely the best choice to improve performance.
However, the combination of adding 4 GB of RAM and a SATA SSD to an older PC can breath new life into it for as little as a $150 spend. Of course, installing Linux Lite on that old PC, with no hardware upgrades, can have much the same effect.
I remember upgrading my old windows 98 PC from 32MB to 512MB and MAN! that was one of the best upgrade I have ever felt I had gotten Value from. The PC ran so much smoother.
Interesting video! I've always heard the debate about whether adding more RAM actually improves computer speed. It's fascinating to see you tackle this topic and provide insights. I appreciate the explanation and the debunking of the myth. Keep up the great work!
I will always buy the highest capacity gaming device, I don't care how much it costs.
Not so much today, but years ago, memory made a huge difference in speed. It could reduce or eliminate memory swapping when running larger programs, programs that used lots of data from disk that had to be buffered, etc. Most of those days has been designed out of today's computers.
I have to disagree, I am the it guy in my workplace and my manager had issue that she couldn't print pdf opened in chrome, my co-worker tried different virtual solutions but then I asked him to let me check how much ram does she have, I checked and saw 8 gb so I went to bring another stick of 8 and then when she had 16 gb it had no problem printing the pdf file from chrome
With OS on a harddrive, memory speed makes a ton of difference. I remember having 1333 MHz memories and switched to 2133 memories - both 8 GB kits - and it was like night and day. Today, most people have SSD:s, so this issue is pretty much nonexistent nowadays though.
Well, 30 years ago there was software called RAM Doubler.
It still does. Doesn't speed up your computer, but allow the speed to be utilized by more processes.
@@bar506 The bigger reason is installing a second stick of ram also enabled dual channel. This increases response times buy about 30%. 16 gigs of ram is what a standard gaming system has. The average office computer doesn't need it. That of course depends on what you do for a living.
Many Thanks . You are a STAR. My PC has being doing funny things now lately . I will see if this can solve the problem
Think of Disk Drives as a well and Ram as a Bucket. Bigger Bucket more water transferred from the well at a time. Processor is speed that bucket goes up and down the well
Often MBs support a different max clock speed based on whether you have two or four slots populated. People who want to max it out will have to determine what's more important between what benefits from the higher capacity or what benefits from the higher clock speed.
i just wanna correct something since this and some other videos mislead me when buying RAM. 7:30 and 5:01 - also check how much RAM does your CPU support ;) mine for example runs at 3200Mhz but supports ONLY up to 2666mhz and it doesn't matter that my motherboard also supports 3200Mhz. even my XML profile thought i can run 3200mhz ram but the limit of my CPU (which is stated in official AMD website in the specs) is actually 2666Mhz. i was getting crazy stutters and once i figured this out and brought it down to 2666mhz, everything runs smooth again.
More often than not, the RAM currently installed does not run at it's correct speed, as it defaults to a standard/lower (safe)
speed. As where configuring RAM correctly when possible, does make a difference, in some cases drastic, and others, minimal, but still a speed increase.
Another factor especially if/when using SSD M.2 or even standard SATA, manually setting the page file to a faster drive, can make a difference when maxing out available RAM.
Vitual Memory = Page File (utilizes space on drive(s))
If/when adding more RAM or replacing current modules (if board/bios supports faster speed/increased capacity) ensuring the bios is configured correctly if possible, (as well as matching sticks of RAM (Speed and capacity) will play a factor.
I doubled my ram from 16-32gb 4x8gb rather than 2x8. It can run 128gb but 32gb if fine for basic editing. Running a Xeon E5 2670V3.. & a quadro.
All systems have a bottleneck, to make a PC faster, you speed up the bottleneck. The only exception is the video card or peripherals, which can be sped up individually. To check for a bottlenecks use the command prompt and run winsat formal.
A side benefit to turning off Windows virtual memory is that it solved the Windows 10 "100% Disk" issue.
I work in a school, with 10 - 20 years old computers... Have you ever tryed to use a computer with 2 gigs of ram, with windows 10?
NOOOOoooooo !!!!! 2G 🙈🙊🙉
Honestly, if you're working on graphics intensive PowerPoint slides, 8gb of ram is not enough. You will have trouble even clicking undo buttom. Adding to that, 8gb ram is just enough to run word with a few chrome tabs opened, if you're doing some research, with the microsoft office open you will run out of ram very fast, might need to refresh the tabs again and again just to compare somethings.
Dont forget the shared memory taken by the integrated graphics for system that doesnt have graphic card. That is also something kills your ram capacity.
So adding more ram does technically helps with performance. From my experience.
Many long years ago, back when I had Win95, P120 and 16Mb ram. It was slow.
Then I went out and got another 16Mb ram, £60 it cost.
Now with 32Mb, Win95 flows like a wind.
I have never seen that performance boots on any PC ever since. How times have changed.
win8/10/11 moving from a HDD to a SSD/m2 is the only comparible speedup in modern times
Nevertheless, if you work with a lot of memory-consuming programs (either really needed or due to bad programming), then even if you have 16GB RAM, you can experience some slowdowns. In those scenarios, more RAM can and usually will help (not to the extent that we've seen in the scenario you've described, but at least to a decent amount).
My work PC was 4Gb RAM running on Windows 7. IT Department upgraded to Windows 10. Instantly a somewhat usable PC became VERY frustrating to use because I have many applications running simultaneously. It is a must, not a privilege to have these open.
I upgraded my PC to 16 Gb (maxed it out), and then everyone else I added an 8 Gb stick so they now have 12 Gb.
Once booted, it is like Night and Day difference!!!!!!!
@@DonLicuala yes. One on the PC’s had 8 Gb and that guy wasn’t having the issues the rest of us did. After upgrading him to 12, he said it didn’t seem to make much, if any, difference.
100% - as I said, if you are maxing out your RAM, then by all means. But if you are not, there are other components that will make more of a difference.
Ram is mostly about allowing efficient speeds while running multiple programs "processes". Run out of ram because you are running tons of processes? Your computer is going to slow down like crazy.
A lot of times your speed is being bottlenecked in some way. You have to find out what the weakest link is and upgrade it.
7:28 You added one zero to much in the text on the screen when you said 24 hundred (2400) it showed 24 thousand (24000) and the same with 3600.
Try rendering texture in solidworks. 16 gb ram equals 7 hours to render. The same system at 128 gb ram 15 seconds. It is very dependent on what your pc is used for.
That's what I said 🤪 if your memory is being maxed upgrade.
OK, I researched and according to what I found the amount of ram that is utilized is limited to the type of Windows system that is on your PC/Laptop is running. They said that the regular Windows that comes with laptops is limited to using 8GB of RAM as its max where as the Windows Pro can utilize more RAM. So I figured I will upgrade to the Windows Pro version to see if the laptop can access the memory above 8GB of RAM. Even with my not so new Toshiba Qosmio Quad-Core i7 gaming computer, it never accessed any memory above 8GB. Everyone of the suggestions on all the Internet and UA-cam has produced nothing. Maybe it is time for a new improved laptop.
It also depends on the motherboard and OS. Your motherboard needs to be able to support the number of slots your laptop has. For my six year old laptop, it could only had two slots so I bought two 16GB RAM sticks that were sold as a kit. As for the OS, check the max RAM the OS supports.
I do 3D 'art' stuff and video editing. My 64GB Ram usually is about 31% use all the time. And when using Adobe products I am usually at 60% use, and I've gotten it to 80% at times.
Although if I didn't use heavy programs like that I'd not need anything like I do for video editing.
I can see me putting my next system tougher with 128 GB in a few years when I build a new system to replace my 5950x 16 core system.
can i see your video editing stuff. and do you want to be work as a freelancer on different freelancer platform I am ready for the bidding. Bidding and profile will be your and I am from Pakistan and can do this work on cheapest rates.
You could look at your motherboard's QVL, too, to know if the selected RAM stick models are compatible and testested for your motherboard
It would be interesting to hear your opinion on building suitable home pcs used or with used components. I stopped buying new pcs like i don't ever buy new cars. If you're not a gamer at all i think i can chop 2/3 or more off the price vs a new one for my needs. Anyway would be interested to hear your take on that, thanks for such great informative videos!
With such a setup, the owner of such used components are one's own tech support.
Many such non-gamers, non-power users would be better off with a mid-range mini-PC. Mid range being in the $300 to 500 range. For example, right now, one can purchase a new mini-PC with 8 cores, 16 threads, 32G ram, 500 G nvme hard drive, and still be under $400. These models are typically JUST integrated graphics; but if that's OK..
Sure, if you have EVERY component you need to build, and not have to buy anything, building your own from scraps MIGHT work if the parts play together nicely; but once you have to buy one or two new components, well, it's starting to get hard to justify. Heck, a quad core, with 16G ram, 500G nvme drive can be had for UNDER $200.
If the parts are compatible, reliable and affordable, that's all that matters.
I think you’ve got too many 0’s at 7:38 when discussing Mhz. I’d probably been mentioned but i scrolled down and didn’t see it. Great video anyway!
Very true that if your apps under their most intense processes still shows a lot of unused RAM under Task Manager, then more RAM isn't going to change much of anything about performance other than aftermarket RAM sticks often have slightly better latency timings, and thus are slightly faster than stock RAM sticks.
Imo 32 gb ram at most for professional workstations, and 16gb ram for everything else if you like to multitask.
There is something like future proofing too, but still depends on what you do. In my case I work for more than 30 years with CAD/Simulation programs and have learned that the best thing is to buy as well specked your computer, or specifically your laptop, as your wallet can handle. It will hold up for much more time and these laptops can be handled down to do office work later on.
100% - depends on what you do. There is no one-size-fits-all.
@@LironSegevIndeed. At the moment I am debating whether to stay at 16gb, or go to 32gb or even 64gb, because my graphics card (Intel Iris Xe) uses the installed system RAM and does not have dedicated video RAM. The question is, would getting more system ram also improve video performance, since in theory that would make more RAM available for the graphics card.
Thoughts?
depends if you have an intel PC.. you can in essence only upgrade within the same generation or if lucky to the next.. then only ram and new grafics card is an option.
having an AMD AM4 it is definitely better to upgrade to a new generation cpu accompanied by by a ramspeed and ramsize upgrade.
So depending on your setup, an upgrade of an amd system can be much more uselful.
Excellent video, thank you. I’ve done a few tests on my RAM, and notice that there is such a thing called standby RAM. You can clear this using RAMMAP to free up RAM, but then it fills up again over time. Would you be able to delve a little deeper into how buying more RAM might provide more space for this standby RAM, and would that speed things up? Cheers.
I can tell you, it made a huge difference when I started. Being able to create a ramdisk, and load a floppy into it, man, the speed difference was enormous!
I often want to use more RAM for games like fallout 4 but they really don't like it. You get all sorts of weird problems. It's a shame because being able to load more cells would make life so much easier, but it really is not well optimised. I think it was fallout 3 that used to crash because it would load cells into RAM and then sometimes forget to get rid of them.
Programs like Blender and video editing generally do make use of it and it is a big deal. Then you have to worry about what the motherboard supports. This laptop is reasonably new but I think the manufacturer said it was limited to 32 gig, which seems odd.
In mainframes, I had a friend who told me about how they had to *reduce* the RAM to speed up the computer as it was spending too much time managing memory. That sounded like a horror story to me, like having to remove toes to run faster.
That Mainframe memory problem was called the “Von Neumann Bottleneck.”
Now confined to the history books…as far as I know!
Sometimes the amount of installed RAM is not the one to blame, but some software that is badly designed. There are some antiviruses that, when doing their periodic thorough analysis, simply eat up an unnecessary amount of CPU and RAM, causing a massive slowdown. If that is the case, my recommendation is to look for a better piece of software to replace it.
How is your memory usage so low? My 8 GB RAM computer starts from 50% and easily goes to 75% RAM utilization!
My main computer has 16 GB RAM and has 67% "in use"!
I'd say 4GB of ram is not enough these days, Windows 10 is a bloated resource hog. With just the OS + browser running the ram usage is already up to or over 2.5GB out of the 4 available. And it really says 3.8 as 200mb is
reserved. So at a minimum it should be 8GB otherwise the computer will start slowing down & at times become
unresponsive. Note: I had to delete comment & repost it, it showed when logged in. Logged out it was hidden.
Windows 11 is far worse!
12 is the minimum rec. but get 16 for matching.
The information in this video is outdated.
We now upgrade memory to increase bandwidth and lower voltage requirement.
Low latency custom kits.
Thank you for your time my Shalomie.
hi Liron, installing a lot of RAM all depends on the programs you run, if you use a DAW (digital audio workstation)
and you load a lot of instrument in, then you will need the maximum of RAM you put into your PC
if you only do wordprocessing not so much
If you have the minimum required RAM for your O.S. (e.g. Windows 11), then getting additional RAM will help. The reason for this is because the O.S. uses more of the hard drive as RAM to keep the system running, sloooooowing it way down. Above that, it's only for intensive use like video editing or full AAA gaming.
I have a spare laptop with a celeron n4020, 4gb of ddr3 soldered on ram and 64gb emmc. It is far from great specs, but it barely uses any wattage, can do 4k streaming with just a few frames dropped and it would still have enough headroom to use Open office's suite in the background. It's build quality isnt great being part of the infamous Lenovo IdeaPad series, but I have used it a few times to test what it can do over some years and it is still holding up. It also does seem more responsive running Linux (Windows-Like Elegant distribution called ZorinOS). Not one i would use for gaming, but it still serves its purpose, and for a "used" price of 40 bucks I can't complain.
Sorry about this being poorly worded as english isnt my native language.
explain this then windows 11 uses 8 gigs of ram to it self just to get to the desk top so if all you have is 8 gigs of ram in your computer all your programs will use swap and your computer takes a performace hit as well.if you mix speeds of ram you cause problems everyone else on youtube has proven that already
You missed the bit about "if you are using the maximum ram constantly then it will make a difference." try watching again
@@LironSegev i dont need to watch it again i know this stuff better then most people do i have been and both Apple and PC certifed Tech for over 30+ years now
So then you should know better than most people that is a computer has 16gn ram and as you open up more apps you use more and more ram. But if after opening up everything and using all the high intensive app you only ever use 8gb then adding 16gb more ram won't do anything. It won't magically use swap files differently.
And re mixing speeds, I literally said that.
But hey,
I always Build my own using 16 Gigs of RAM, but for performance it's everything else in your System like CPU & GPU performance.
Great video and great advice! Thank you from South Africa 🇿🇦
7:32 BrO where are you getting 36000 MHz of RAM?
It’s quite simple really. Start your computer and then open all of the programs, applications and video games you wish to run simultaneously and then watch memory usage in task manager. If your memory is at e.g. 80% or higher, you need more ram.
The main problem the way I see it is that many applications today are extremely poorly optimized, causing them to draw more ram than necessary from your computer. One example is web browser such as Edge. It’s ridiculous how much ram it uses for only having one or two tabs open.
I bought an m2 nvme drive and an pcie x4 adapter and that made a lot of difference, had an ordinary ssd before. Have an old i7 processor with 4ghz clock.
lovely video, thank you so much. Please keep doing videos like that
The metaphor I use to explain RAM is of a whiteboard, while storage is a bookshelf. The bigger the board the more you can do at once. Your RAM speed is how fast you can read and write on it. The CPU is the person reading the books from the shelf and writing on the board.
If you go (mixing up) different ram kits. You can only run your ram at the lowest common clock speed. Or you are not going to POST. ROG motherboards have a button that will do this for you. All easy, peasy. The way I remember it's toward one of the edges, about an inch in. Get in your manual. They call it (mem OK). I've only used it once. so I don't even remember much about it. I buy ram in a KIT anymore. A 4x8 kit is pretty overkill for my needs. But they are all the same clock-speed. So, I tell myself I am "future proofing".
So, according to your test and chart, we don't need more than 4?
Not at all. You have to look at what you are actually using. If you are maxing out your ram, get more.
don't try virtual memory i did this some years ago in my old laptop it became very slow and the laptop wont charge when the laptop is on
i would like your help please . How can i Safely Transfer Programs from C Drive to D Drive for Free ? Could you please make a video showing me ? Is there a program that does this ? please advice !
ive been wanting to upgrade my ram from 8gb to 16 since that's all my all in once pc can take, sometimes when i use Davinci and try to import videos it takes a while even when i use google chrome to watch youtube the videos lag, iam currently using cape cut which the importing wait and exporting wait is about the same as Davinci, i just hate waiting when i don't have to and i have seen 16 gb of ram on crucial and amazon for around 40 bucks so i wouldn't be spending that much for ram!
I agree with everything here, but I've been noticing how "software creep" has been advancing quickly too. As an extreme example, the early versions of Netscape were 1MB, and now it's 80MB. Everything is getting bigger and hungrier for RAM, and people are using tabs a lot more. I've run into so many situations where people have browsers using 4-7GB on their own. They also have Discord, Steam, Thunderbird or Outlook, Office, and maybe a few more electron web based apps, etc., and suddenly they're actually using 14GB or more of RAM.
Just recently, I've come to the conclusion that I'm no longer recommending 8GB of RAM as a comfortable safe level, but now recommending people start with at least 16. Also, it's sounding like Windows 12 may have a requirement of 16, for the AI assistant stuff that it's going to include, so that probably means people should really shoot for 32 going forward.
It really seems insane to me, because just a couple years ago, I would have said that almost everyone (aside from power users and gamers) would be fine with 8.
if you have 4 gigs or less of ram then yes buying ram might improve performance. a ssd or nvme with also help significantly. cooling is another thing to look into.
Would it be safe to say that adding additional ram to a bogged down system (high memory usage/cpu) would not increase speed but increase system performance? make it smoother in performance? older i5, 8gb ddr3, hdd with many tabs open
How old is that i5? 6th gen and later might benefit from 16 GB. However 5th gen i5 and earlier needs a CPU upgrade to an i7/i9 from the same generation or a newer generation depending on what is cheaper for you.
So Liron, how does one go about reducing all the Windows constant io? It never stops!
Love the way you explained everything in detail in a short video. Thanks for helping.
I think the "download ram" joke maybe also comes from a movie in the 90s or something.
Back in the 80's when our memory was measured in kilobytes and DOS could not access above 640k, we had memory access programs like QEMM and various memory compression programs. That's probably where this originated from.
For reference, my first computer had 8k of ram. How far we have come.
You can use ram as cache which will increase the speed of the system.
do i need to hook the bluetooth cable up from a new wireless wifi card or will it be ok in the pci-e slot with out blue tooth hooked up
My laptop came with 16gb ram, but was using 10+gb, so i upgraded to 64gb ddr5 5600 Crucial ram, and it's using 12+ now with not much going on. I went and stopped a few processes from running at startup, but im not sure what bloatware, or programs are using so much memory.
Processor is an i7 ultra 155h, 4.8ghz, with a RTX 4070 gpu, and the aforementioned 64gb of ddr5 5600 Crucial ram.
"Not Really," regarding RAM increasing computer performance, is a bit disingenuous. I think it would have been best to say, "It Depends" at the beginning of the video. The first thing a user should look at is the computer's performance in Task Manager, which you didn't touch on in your video. If I look at task manager and see the CPU or Storage is at 100% utilization, while the RAM is coasting along, I'm not going to suggest the user upgrade their RAM. I'm going to look into the hardware that is bottlenecking the performance. A failing or slow storage device, or the application that is pushing the CPU to it's limits.
The rest of your video is really saying it depends and that adding more RAM or replacing some that is failing, WILL make your computer perform better. Hopefully your audience won't take the title of your video and make it harder for us technicians out in these streets, when we do see that their RAM is indeed the bottleneck, lol.
Nowadays its I/O that is the bottleneck to speed. If you're not running and SSD, then you are not going to get much of a boost in performance. I was blown away when I made the switch from spinning disks to SSD's. AMAZING! Even on older netbooks, it made them come alive.
100%
does it make a difference if you open several windows playing the same game on different characters?
Each instance of any application used memory. So as long as your memory isn't being used up then you can
It might not make your computer faster but if it is doing a lot of swapping to a hard drive it will speed it up!! Who had an old computer that had 128 MB of DDR 1 RAM? I am sure that any of you who did may have noticed swapping. You will know when you see it the computer becomes so slow it seems unusable at times when this happens and you notice the HDD activity light and maybe even notice the sound of the drive working frantically to keep up with the rest of the computer. We all know that those drives are often the bottleneck of any PC since them being mechanical can make them really slow
You are fantastic at informing people in a way us older users can understand x.
Glad to be or service and thank YOU for being here!
I have 12g ddr4 ram
Normally I'm using between 8-10 of that
Would going to 16 or 32 help?
It can get sloggy when I open tons of programs and browsers
I5 8 th gen processor no GPU
I already did this. But the lap turns off automatically between 10 and 45 minutes same time. Give a solution to it (windows memory) diagnostic
So true. For meaningful performance increase, you have to address all of the system bottlenecks. Performance is no greater than your biggest bottleneck will allow. The free version of belarc advisor will tell you everything about your computer resources.
Helpful video I recently bought identical rams to make my pc run at 32 and it slowed down my computer I checked the frequency they’re all the same identical so I was upset and than decided to take out 16gb to run the pc at 16 and it runs way smoother while gaming so I’m like wow what is wrong with this thing .. now I’m on this UA-cam channel that’s why I’m here ..
Appreciate you being here
@@LironSegev I was able to fix my problem where my original theory might have been wrong . I put new rams in my pc and instead of pushing the f1 key or f2 to let my pc figure on its own I pushed the f5 into running speed test into bios where it turned on all frequencies to maximum testing and acknowledged my upgrade . My computer is now running fine while gaming with 32gb of ram even faster than before actually it just had to be corrected in bios . Stuff like that took some of my time and thinking though but o well atleast it works perfect now in the future I’m going to get the new ryzen but haven’t found any new games I like yet because all the new games are like a movie where your playing in cutscenes so it’s not even a game anymore it’s more like watching a movie so I’ll wait until something big comes out .. hoping for StarCraft 3 or a new Warcraft and possibly a new Skyrim .
I increased my computer from 16 to 32 GB of RAM. I then used PrimoCache to make a 16 GB ram drive...and I'm pretty sure that made my computer faster.
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I had mixed results with PrimoCache, I have 128GB, was fine with 64GB thought I use the other for a cache of some kind, in hind sight I would have got an intel process and use intel Optane, but I got AMD and thats that.
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Basically not enough ram is a part usaly the most common part of the slow pc problem , cpu speed is a second on and gpu is the 3rd . 4th is disk drive speed / ssd read write speed
An MS tech (not over the phone :) ) said that there is one more step to adding ram...he maintained that whilst Windows will recognise and use the new addition - the system won't be fully optimised until there is a clean install of Windows. Was he right Liron?
hmmm - a clean install helps if the system is really bogged down with loads of apps and bloatware. Not sure what that has to do with new RAM though as the computer will use whatever resources it has
I used to use the crucial scan tool to help with ram
It depends on what they are doing. If they are gaming, 16gb should be minimum on 10 and especially on 11.
i think i need more ram to multi task cuz i cant do a browser while opening up mc AND FOR SOME REASON MY PC ALREADY USES 40% OF MY RAM?
thanks again my friend... just did the ready boost with the usb flash drive of 64 gig and i will see how it works!!
This video was a waste of time. Stop buying more ram? Then proceeded to say 32gig and beyond is perfect.
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At some point the sweet spot will shift to 64GB. Probably soon.
You shouldn't waste money on ram if your CPU can't even cope with the multitasking. That was the whole point.
I have a bunch of Processes that open on my PC. Is there an easier way to find which ones are necessary and which I can close down,without having to search out the individual process to try to determine if it's needed or not?
Open Task Manager and see what is using up your CPU and Memory
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- The 'RAM amount' and the 'RAM speed' depend heavily on workload...
Of course, your need for more or even faster RAM is pretty much nonexistent if all you do is read your digital newspaper and play solitaire all day.
Funnily enough, pretty much all the RAM comparatives I've seen so far on 'UA-cam' have either been centered on the 'RAM amount' or 'RAM speed'.
Why no one as far as I'm aware anyway has ever done a comparison focusing on both as in 'RAM amount vs RAM speed'.
Going from the absolute minimum amount of RAM all the way up to the maximum amount of RAM for a 'Normal' computer/workstation.
Compared to going from the absolute minimum speed of RAM all the way up to the maximum speed of RAM for a 'Normal' computer/workstation.
F.e., comparing the minimum amount of fast RAM to the maximum amount of slow RAM.
From that, touch on when to go for RAM amount over RAM speed and vice versa...
And to figure out the 'Goldilocks-Zone' as far as RAM is concerned.
At least roughly anyway since the myriad of HW-combos is dizzying, to say the least.
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Whats the website to download more RAM? 😅
Use 2007 Office, less lag on the system still reads modern files.
My Win10 says 100% disk for 15 minutes after logging in before it starts coming down, how do I fix this?
what says 100%? Memory or CPU?
Re Boot instead of just turning off also erases all ram.
sure
Crank up your ram and make use of it with Primo cache
I have a hdd running 100% gpu and ram below 50% will it speed up if i upgrade to a ssd