I think when Kylo turned to the dark side he was after Reys mom/Luke's wife. Rey was with her mom out in the area near jakkuu so mommy dropped her off on jakuu to keep her safe, then kylo murdered her but he didn't know where Rey was. Luke went looking for them but found the ship he got depressed and told a nearby friend where he would be. So when he heard about a special girl near where he found Luke's wife he freaked out.
Ben abandoned Luke about 5 years before the force awakens. Her connection to Ben stems from before he destroyed Luke's first attempt at rebuilding the Jedi order. Like Robert Eichhorn said. She would of been 15 if it would of happened right afterwards. I could see that Luke got a vision of the future and brought her over before all of it happened.
i think this is pretty good stuff to chew on. my only rebuttal is Jakku isn't a place that has nothing to do with anything. it is where the empire meets it's end. the empires waterloo, or appamatix.
Wow, this is an incredible theory. While you were explaining I started to tear up when you got to the part about the look Luke had on his face when he turned around to face Rey at the top of the island. Since the moment I saw that scene in the theater I immediately thought he was getting emotional because he knows her, he knows who she is and she is probably someone significantly important to him or why get emotional over a stranger? Also, Rian Johnson said recently that we will find out who Rey's parents are but it won't be such a big deal. Personally what I think he meant by that is not that Luke can't possibly be her father but that he is and it's not that big a deal. Why? because we all figured that anyway! Even the people who hate the idea of it b/c they think it's a lazy story arc, even they think so and the saga stories have always and always will be about the Skywalkers! The only reason people came to that conclusion in the first place is b/c we weren't immediately told Rey's entire backstory in TFA which is only the first chapter of this TRILOGY and with everything and everyone else they were introducing/rehashing in that movie I guess they thought, hey we can hold off on saying Rey is a skywalker and save it for the way better time pay off wise to tell everyone by doing so in TLJ when she is face to face with her father. Personally I hope this theory turns out to be true and thank you Star Wars Coffee for all the amazing vids. : )
I always considered that moment to be Luke feeling what had happened to Han using the force via Rey in a similar way Rey had a vision because of Anakin's lightsaber. I am not disagreeing that part of it could have been a familial connection that luke could sense (if you read around the comments I just posted that I believe she is his daugher) just that the sense I got was that it was about Han's death at Kylo's hand.
Great video. I totally think this theory could work, and I've been a believer that Rey was mind-wiped since my first viewing. There is an issue with the timeline of Ben's turning to the dark side, however. But I've wondered, since Luke and the rest of the Jedi were totally out of contact for such a long time, couldn't Ben have turned many years before anyone in the rest of the galaxy found out? Again, nice work on the video!
One Q? Why would Luke entrust her care to a sleemo like Unkar Plott? If he cared about her, why not leave her with a nice family like Obi Wan did with Luke? Why leave her in the hands of a someone who would treat her like a scavenger? That suggest Luke cares nothing for this girl. I think it’s more likely Rey is Han & Leia’s daughter & they lost her. Maybe even think she is dead at the start of Force Awakens. Here is the run down of my theory: Rey is Han and Leia’s daughter. Ben Solo was watching her. He took the Falcon. Pirates stole The Falcon. Dukain. Ben got away, but Rey was taken. She was 2 years old. Ben felt guilty. It was his fault. He started to go Dark. Han and Leia sent him to train with Luke (as a Jedi) to help alleviate his guilt of losing Rey. Han & Chewie went to look for The Falcon and Rey. Dukain lost The Falcon. Han found that out, but the trail went cold after Dukain. So Han never found it. Rey changed hands with The Falcon until she was 6 years old and someone traded it with Unkar Plott. Plott took in Rey to “work for him” as a scavenger. The pirates left on another ship (what we see in the Force Awakens Rey vision). This explains why Rey doesn’t know who her parents really are OR that this freighter ship is The Falcon. Ben & Luke discover Snoke in the outer regions. Snoke senses Ben’s guilt and that he could be easily changed to The Dark Side and serve Snoke. Luke has Vader’s helmet and tells Ben Solo of his father (Ben’s grandfather). Snoke creates the vision when Ben touches Vader’s helmet. Ben goes to see Snoke to learn more about The Dark Side and his Grandfather. Stuff Luke won’t tell Ben. Snoke convinces Ben to become Kylo Ren and promised him that he will help him. Kylo returns to Luke with his Knights, they argue about the past and how Luke didn’t tell Kylo everything, betrays him and kills the pathetic new Jedi. Luke goes to find answers about Snoke and the old Jedi order and also leaves R2 behind to keep watch in case Rey is found alive before Luke returns. Han feels like he can’t return to Leia without finding their little girl -especially after what happened to Ben. R2 wakes up at the end of Force Awakens when Rey returns and is seen in the same room as him, not when BB-8 returns with the map piece. R2 is the smartest “person” in this saga and recognizes Rey. The only one to do so (besides maybe Han, eventually, but then Han dies). R2 knows all this because he has never had his memory wiped like other droids have. Even a person’s memory fades with time...
Now Lor. Luke gave Lor the map piece because Luke sent Lor to look for Han & Leia’s daughter. The missing baby. Luke knows Ben (Kylo) feels guilty for the pirates stealing The Falcon and taking his little sister. Luke knows finding the girl is key to helping Ben (Kylo) resolve his guilt. Lor was very close. He traced The Falcon to Jakku, and decided to give the map piece to Poe, so Poe would give it to Han and Leia so they would go get Luke while Lor finished his last leg of the search for their little baby girl (now grown up). This way no one purposely left Rey in the care of a deadbeat jerkhole. heheh. See, it all fits. All the characters motivations are explained, even the droids. People are having a huge discussion on our twitter about all this @AwesomeGeekShow.
The theory completely fails to address the basic human emotions involving abductions/kidnappings. The parents would never stop searching until they found proof of death. They would always hope to find their daughter alive. Han, even the scoundrel he is, would not have gave a darn about the Falcon if his daughter was still missing and the LAST KNOWN location was inside that ship. That ship would have been torn apart looking for some clue as to where she went. Yet not one second is spent on this missing daughter, just Han fondly looking over his beloved ship. He finds a young woman, who appears roughly the same age as his missing daughter, and doesn't immediately start to question her identity or even asks her for her name? None of this...he's just happy to be "home". When Han reunites with Leia, not one single mention of this missing daughter? All the focus on getting Ben back, but the single greatest cause for his journey toward the darkside wasn't addressed? When Han is trying to get Ben to come back to the light, it gets overlooked?I like the idea of the theory, but the basic foundation has too many cracks to support the rest of the theory. Maybe if Ben would have said his sister was killed by the pirates or something equally finite, they would have stopped...but I think it still would have been brought up somewhere in the dialog between Leia/Han/Kylo.Rey might not be a Skywalker, but it's highly unlikely your Solo theory is correct either.
However I do believe a memory wipe was done on Rey. That is for sure. But she was not left there right after Ben ransacked the academy. Ben found out that he was Vader's grandson in a transmission he was watching when another senator call Leia out on being Vader's daugther, Ben was 23. IF this happened like you're thinking it did this would make a continuity error in Claudia Grey's book. Which is canon. The Sequel to bloodline, which the name is escaping me right now.
Egalen 42 I too made this conclusion the second time I saw TFA. I do think she's obviously there to watch over her and this confirms to me that Luke at least knew her.
i really hope she's his daughter. it would make me like her so much more than if she's just a random person powerful with the force. continue the skywalker legacy
If she was mind wiped, would she have said "come back" and watched the ship fly off while unkar held her hand as a girl? She wouldn't have known someone dropped her off there if she was mind wiped.
Did you see the 2016, 40th anniversary celebration? The panel of stars had Mark Hamill talking about the cast. When he went to Daisy, he says "my da-, my sister."He clearly dropped a hint to Luke's relationship to Rey. Check it out!
1. Rey was left on Jakku 13 years before TFA in the hands of Unkar Plutt, not Lor San Tekka. This was about 7 years before Ben Solo became Kylo Ren.2. Read the Poe Dameron comic, where Poe searches for Lor San Tekka. He wasnt always on Jakku and certainly not watching Rey as Obi-Wan watched Luke.3. What kind of person would Luke be to leave his daughter in the hands of Unkar Plutt?I think if Rey is Luke child, he most likely wouldnt be the person who left her on Jakku. If Rey is his daughter, Luke probably belives she is dead and that could also explain his exile on Jakku (loosing both Rey and Kylo).
I know who rey's mother is! It's Leia and Luke is her father! Cause in the film before force awakens leia said "we will have kids."That is what leia said.
Good theory, but I don't think Rey is Luke's daughter. I have a theory she is related to Obi wan! Rey is Obi Wan's niece and here is why: Obi Wans story is rumoured to be wrapped up in the Last Jedi and I think this theory will be the vehicle to do this. As stated in the Phantom Menace, joining the Jedi order was something you did as a young child which is exactly what would have happened to Obi Wan Kinobe himself. Therefore we know nothing of his family. A great twist to the whole storyline would be if ObiWans family never accepted him leaving and became anti Jedi and perhaps even pro Empire. If ObiWan had a younger brother or sister who had a baby who was force sensitive (i.e Rey), could create real tension if Luke were to discover her.... Such a storyline would mirror the Luke/Obi Wan relationship, but also give a great reason to make a film dedicated to Obi Wan...! I'm sure there are plot holes all through this theory, but would love to hear your feedback
Uhhhh that doesn’t make any sense according to JJ Abrams commentary when he states that Kylo and Rey have never met. Another theory is that he has been having Force visions of her like she has been having of him. That’s why he says in the novelization, “It is you!” As in it is you the girl from my visions. Sorry this just doesn’t make any sense because of tons of things both actors and directors have said. I still think she’s a Kenobi.
I think your theory is nearly there, I really like it, but there's the "bloodline problem" - that novel shows us that 6 years prior to TFA Ben was still Ben and knocking about with Luke. No mention of an academy, but Han's dialogue in TFA does suggest that the boy who turns against Luke is the one who destroyed the new Jedi, so if we assume that boy is Ben, the academy should still be alive long after Rey was dropped on Jakku. She was dropped there at least 10, maybe 14 years, before TFA. I think it's important that Rey says she's waiting for her family, not her parents, father or mother. It could be any relation that dropped her off. And while memory wipe could explain her thinking Luke to be a myth, I think it much more likely (and easier to explain) that she's just never known her father. Either Luke knew he fathered her but then, as this video says, didn't want her involved, so let her go with her family, or maybe he never knew he'd fathered a child, but somehow Ben suspected or knew. If I had to bet, I would say that her mother is Sabine Wren, a mandalorian, a culture where FAMILY is everything. This would also open up a set of adventures to be told about Luke & Sabine, set after RotJ, where Luke perhaps goes to free Mandalore from the imperial remnant. Incidentally, if Sabine becomes ruler of Mandalore during the imperial occupation (which doesn't end with the death of the emperor necessarily) we now know the title of that position is... the emperor's hand, a title previously given to... Mara Jade... 😉
renegade6k This comment makes me wishful for Mara Jade to be in these movies and while I love the idea of Sabine Wren being her mother, I think it would be too confusing to have two main characters with the same sounding surname (even though with Kylo it's not an actual surname). I'm really hoping her mother turns out to be Captain Phasma.
renegade6k Anakin Skywalker was already corrupted by the Dark Side in episode 2 before he was officially Darth Vader. It's not impossible that Ben was likewise corrupted before he was officially Kylo Ren.
To think, Snoke absorbing Keylo's powers while searching for Luke, who has force powers Snoke also wish to absorbs, and will want to absorb Rey's powers down the road.
I've thought this since I saw The Force Awakens, with a few minor differences. I believe that Luke had force vision telling him that he had to leave Rey on Jakku. In the force vision he felt danger for Rey and the need to leave her on Jakku. It would have shown him uncertainty in the future and that he needed to go into hiding and where. It also would have given him the timeline as to when to tell R2 to come out of sleep mode with the information at the right time. Essentially she was left on a planet to learn independence and strong will, as well as physical training like what Yoda gave Luke on Degobah. The force guided Luke to do what needed to be done for the Jedi to survive, and guided Rey through the events to get her back to her father to complete her training.
Don't buy it. Rey was 5 or 6 when left on Jakku. Ben Solo apparently turned six years before The Force Awakens according to Bloodlines. Rey was likely 19 in TFA. She would've had to be 14 or 15 when left. Luke could've left her on Jakku, but it was more likely before Ben's betrayal.
Robert Eichhorn I agree. Rey would have had to have been abandoned in Jakku many years before Ben betrayed Luke and turned to the dark side. She can't have a false memory of her time on Jakku either, because of all those marks in her AT AT house counting the days. So I'm not sure this theory works. It's much more likely that Luke didn't abandon Rey because he didn't know about her and that she was abandoned by her mother or her guardians. It us funny though that Rey seems to expect her parents to come back to her but she never gives any indication that she knows who they are. That might mean she has a false memory of the past. I'm not certain that Ren knows exactly who she is anyway, because in the movie at least, he never really tells Rey anything. He still seems very uncertain and curious. You'd think if he knew who she was he wouldn't be half as surprised by her skills with the Force when he interrogated her and would have surely said something at some point. I don't know how much he knows. On the one hand the 'what girl?' and 'it is you' comments would seem to suggest that he does know who she is, but everything else he says and does in the movie doesn't support this.
i think this is why the novelizations/comics/TV serues ect although Canon aren't so fixed in star wars as we think they are...all they have (Lucas/Disney) have to do is tell a conflicting story to change it back to the way they want it to be in a sequel for a movie trilogy. ..
Robert Eichhorn The amount of times I have had to say this correction that you have commented lol 😁 minus the bit about luke could've left her on Jakku.
I listened to the Bloodlines audiobook and I must have missed the point when Ben flipped. I do recall Leia starting The Resistance -- alone -- at the end of the book and Ben finding out who his grandfather was through the galactic lamestream media but nothing specific about Ben going Darksided or Han deciding to resume smuggling! I think we'll need a book or two illustrating these points.
I do believe this Theory but there's a little more to Jakku than just leaving her there for her safety and another video Jakku is a conductor for the good of the force and as powerful as she is she's absorbing all that good from what's in the planet to make her stronger like Yoda went to his home planet and that Dagobah and that's a huge conductor for the dark side of the force while jakku is just the opposite and that's why I in another video as well why Palpatine had some plans for jakku and he could feel the good of the force and he can never go near it because it always made him sick so that's one of the reason why Luke put Rey on Jakku to help her absorb and get stronger in the good side of the force.
My trouble with this theory is why Luke left her on Jakku at all? If she is her daughter why do not bring her with him to live on the temple island? What father is not happier with his daughter next to him and who would be best off to protect her - Luke or the Jakku guy? And I do not see Luke as the guy who wipe out his daughters memory and leave her to rot on Jakku at all - Its totaly uncarastic and needs a really good explonation to be belivable. And while many has been theorisng over this the past summer I still have not found a credible explonation for this. Now the only thing I can imagine is if Luke belived Rey was dead and could not sense her cause of the dark side nexus at Jakku. But that still leave us wondering who Reys mother is and when Luke has time and character to create a child with her. Cause Luke has seen first hand what love and attachment did to Anakin and I am not sure he is in a emotional state to engage with a girl long enough to create a child he knows he is the father of. This would of course be possible if the mother tricked Luke into it and then left him unknowning of his daughters existance. But I still see it as a rather od and unstrightfull way to create a story - I mean, whats the dramaticall point in doing that? Johan.
I think she and Luke were both emotional because she finally came face to face with a legend and Luke knows who she is or may lead to in the end and what involvement he will have.
I don't think Luke knows about rey, but Lot San tekka did. That her mom left her there without Luke learning about it like his father. Kylo ren had s force vision from Vader's helmet where he saw a girl, who turns out to be Rey Placing his daughter and his location on the same planet makes no sense.
memory wipe is such a cheap cop out. its simple, rey was left behind around, what? 4?6? at that age, you still think your parents names are "mom" and "dad". hence why, "luke skywalker?! i thought he was just a legend". and maz kanata saying "whoever you are waiting for, they are not coming back. your journey is forward". because she was meant to go find her father when the time comes
Maz Kenata told us that whoever left Rey on Jakku is not coming back, though there's someone who still could come for her. That tells me for sure Luke Skywalker is NOT her family, though he is the person most important to her future.
Beware of exact words. She never said the person who left her is her father. In fact, Maz is not omniscient given that she doesn't know who Rey is either, though the Force apparently does.
I like this theory, mind wipe would also explain how she came to use her force powers on star killer base. Being the daughter of Luke being left behind at 7 or 8. Luke would have started her Jedi training, on star killer base she had some kind of instinct to return to her Jedi teachings.
My take is that when the interrogation sequence took place, her force ability was tested and unlocked. Seems to parallel Poe's interrogation, where he failed with no force ability.
TheDallasfan1982 Well, that's the point. That's all we see in the vision and Rey never gives any further indication in the film that she knows anything more about her parents.
I believe you. I have read bloodlines but I keep books separate from the movies. Because TFA was written in script first. So people can stop with that.
Powers the "Others", "Celestials" or whatever you choose to call them are demonstrated to be far beyond even Anakin's powers (except in one scene, then is undone shortly after.) They can disarm lightsabers with their bare hands, and the Father was the strongest of them all.
Theory: Set Hart could be Snoke. Set Hart was in the Bane trilogy. And he was a former Jedi, and partially Sith apprentice. Set ran off with Darth Andeddu's holocron. Which would help him live forever. He escaped to unknown space, where Snoke is also from. Set could have seen the rise and fall of the Empire as well, like Snoke. There's no official death story on Set Hart. starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Set_Harth
I am with you, but I do not think your theory is 100% accurate as far as when Luke left Rey on Jakku. I believe Kylo has been dark for about 5 to 6 yrs, so we know from force back Rey was dropped off at a younger age. I am a Luke and Rey fan myself and want Rey to be Luke's daughter also, so not criticizing just speaking fact's and yes it is a fact Luke's ship dropped Rey off in the force back. Soon we will have the total truth as to what happened actually. Another good video well done.
Rey is the reincarnated first Jedi, you know it to be true. Ach-to is her home. The force tree is the first Jedi temple that Rey called home. Rey is Ashla, Snoke is Bogan. Yes folks, brother and sister.
God, I hope you're right. That still leaves the question, who is Rey's mum and is that going to be significant? Perhaps Rey's mum was Lor San Tekka's daughter or something?
Another reason why I believe this theory is because Han and Leia seem to know who she is. I think Han has it confirmed to him when he finds out her name. Plus when Maz Kanata asks Han who she is, the scene immediately cuts to another scene in a way that suggests Han is about to tell her, but we, the audience aren't supposed to know yet. Luke, Han and Leia know who she is regardless of whether or not she's Luke's daughter. There's no doubt in my mind. Now it was said (i believe by Abrams) that Rey and her family are in the movie TFA, but they never share screen time together, but I think it could've been said to throw us off, because of how likely/obvious it is that she is Luke's daughter, but again we aren't supposed to know yet.
The mind wiping would make no sense, if Rey forgot about Luke, why was she so passionate as a little girl, in the force vision, yelling with all her might, for the family she clearly had not forgotten, to come back.
I love this theory and I hope it turns out to be true, but Luke could sense Rey simply because she has the Force within her and the same could be said for her finding him. Also if Rey's memory was wiped then who was she crying for to return when the ship leaves Jakku? Whomever left, she knew them.
it's the twists and turns though, that i think is gonna fool everybody, all these theory's.. which is great, but i bet when we all watch this Episode in December, everyone will be saying to themselves.. WTF and i think this is Fabulous!
This is a decent theory however with bloodline being canon, it falls short. My theory is that given everything we know, Rey and Ben trained with Luke and his other students. Ben was always treated the way anakin was, not by Luke and Ben but by the other students and other people, that he was dangerous because of his mental instability. Snoke knew their heritage but never told them. I also believe he was jealous of Rey and her abilities and the attention she received from snoke and Luke. Snoke filled the void his parents couldn't fill. Therefore, he NOT Luke stole Luke's speeder (it was confirmed it was Luke's ship in Rey's vision that left her on Jakku) and dropped her off on Jakku and wiped her memory. She would no longer be a threat or a target of Snoke for an apprentice. He stayed as Luke's apprentice for a few more years as he slowly began to succumb to snoke's influence like his grandfather. But once he found out his true heritage in bloodline and that everyone lied to him, that was the straw that broke the camels back. This is why he knew who Rey was with the "what girl?" And "it is you!" Comment. Leia and Han never knew about Rey because Luke never had much contact with them like Ben during the thirty years between the movies as said in bloodline. That's what I think and i believe it makes the most sense. Thoughts?
If luke is her father, then who was her mother, is just as important of a question because for rey to be as storong with the force, its a good possibility her mom had the force to a point as well or at least force sensitive without her knowing it.
And Rey is NOT a Mary Sue! She raised herself on Jakku and learned to fight and take care of herself pretty effectively there. (All the "Mary Sue" complainers seem to conveniently forget that fact.)
What if kylo is looking for Luke to find palpatines sith holocron? If he's truly turned to the dark side, it would make sense to seek out anything that increases his knowledge of the dark side of the force and more importantly on darth vader. Be cool if you could shed some light on your thoughts on this and any reasons it couldn't fit. Just speculating.
Never mind about Rey being Luke's daughter. That seems apparent. Who is the mother? Obiwan Kenobi's secret daughter from a beautiful but strong willed daughter of a moisture farmer. Whom he rescued from sand people? That he sent away when he knew Luke Skywalker was ready?
You're forgetting that Daisy Ridley said Luke doesn't know who Rey is at first when they meet on Ach-To. I'm sure he realizes soon after who she is, but don't you think he would recognize his daughter immediately?
I have a theory. Rey was not left on Jakku by like. She was probably left there by her mother. Here is my theory Rey and her mother were on their way back to Luke's jedi temple until snoke found them. They fled the first order and landed on Jakku . Reys mother knew it would be dangerous to keep her daughter with her, so she left her there with unkar plut because he hid them in exchange for Rey.
I didn't think Luke wanted to be found and that's why he was isolated on a far away island. The whole Lor Santeca think was strange because their was zero explanation of who he was.
I think Luke Skywalker is reys father think about it the blue lightsaber belonged to Anakin Skywalker then passed down to Luke Skywalker and and now Rey owns the lightsaber
What do think about the character Frey from the Phasma novel? Phasma's people couldn't reproduce, because of poor living conditions. So Frey was sort of a miracle, like a boy named Anakin once was. Also, they mention that the First Order would erase a child's file, when they just wanted them to disappear. Cardinal was used to doing so. Maybe he knew that there was something special about Frey. So he took her to his home planet. Where was Cardinal from again? Oh yeah, Jakku.
In the October issue of Empire magazine, the first page of the Star Wars article says, "Can plucky Padawan Rey persuade him to return to the Fray?" So many different theories. That's mine though. My theory today anyway:)
I like to think Kylo left Rey their and that Rey trained with Luke. Thats why she beat Kylo Ren because she already has a little bit of Jedi Training. Kylo couldn't kill Rey because Rey IS his cousin. He took her there on the Falcon and traded her and the Falcon for the ship we see him leave in. But i do like this theory alot i could see either one working so long that Rey had a little bit of training with her father before he took her to Jakku. What do you think?
The book Bloodline takes place about 6 years before Force Awakens. Kylo Ren was still with Luke at that point. Rey is 19 during Force Awakens. In her vision she is 5 or 6 at most. She could not have been dropped off on Jakku after Kylo turned tot he dark side. She certainly wasn't 13 when she was left there. Unless he mind wiped her and planted the false memory.
But why couldn't she? If we take her vision at "face value", why couldn't she be dropped off at the age off 5, 6 years old? Kylo is 10 years older, according to Wookiepedia, he is training with Luke and with the Force, Luke could have seen what the future could have been. Also, Leia said in TFA she knew about Snoke, how could Luke NOT know? Again, just offering a possibility, he could have put her there to hide her until she was older to protect her from Snoke. The assumption almost everybody has is if Rey is Luke's daughter, he would not have hid her until AFTER the attack and fall of his Jedi Temple. That is assumption and does not have to be fact.
With the force vision that Luke obviously has (see ESB) Luke could have seen that his Jedi academy would be destroyed by a student and decided to not risk the life of his daughter in that betrayal... lending credibility to this theory. 😉 ... also hoping that his daughter would not be the one to betray him knowing a family past complicated with the dark side.
Is Luke giving Rey a vision just like the father gave Anakin a vision? Please please please tell me that Rey is Ahsoka and Luke learns about Mortis. Come on now, Vader was limping off after Malachor so I'm dead set on Ahsoka surviving. I bet she's still around during and after the original trilogy and probably even interacts with Luke after the fall of the empire. The character of Ahsoka has such a rich history and has a well deserved following, I'd love to see Rey be a reincarnation of Ahsoka rather than Anakin. Ben can be Anakin; he's certainly unhinged like Anakin. It would reduce Ahsoka fans to tears and give others, who have only seen the movies, so much more to learn!
So if that's Luke's daughter do you think that she was trained as a Jedi and all that training was wiped that's why it came back so quickly and fluently. Otherwise there's no way that are fresh untrained Padawan could be a Sith Lord
I think when Kylo turned to the dark side he was after Reys mom/Luke's wife. Rey was with her mom out in the area near jakkuu so mommy dropped her off on jakuu to keep her safe, then kylo murdered her but he didn't know where Rey was. Luke went looking for them but found the ship he got depressed and told a nearby friend where he would be. So when he heard about a special girl near where he found Luke's wife he freaked out.
Ben abandoned Luke about 5 years before the force awakens. Her connection to Ben stems from before he destroyed Luke's first attempt at rebuilding the Jedi order. Like Robert Eichhorn said. She would of been 15 if it would of happened right afterwards. I could see that Luke got a vision of the future and brought her over before all of it happened.
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i think this is pretty good stuff to chew on. my only rebuttal is Jakku isn't a place that has nothing to do with anything. it is where the empire meets it's end. the empires waterloo, or appamatix.
Wow, this is an incredible theory. While you were explaining I started to tear up when you got to the part about the look Luke had on his face when he turned around to face Rey at the top of the island. Since the moment I saw that scene in the theater I immediately thought he was getting emotional because he knows her, he knows who she is and she is probably someone significantly important to him or why get emotional over a stranger? Also, Rian Johnson said recently that we will find out who Rey's parents are but it won't be such a big deal. Personally what I think he meant by that is not that Luke can't possibly be her father but that he is and it's not that big a deal. Why? because we all figured that anyway! Even the people who hate the idea of it b/c they think it's a lazy story arc, even they think so and the saga stories have always and always will be about the Skywalkers! The only reason people came to that conclusion in the first place is b/c we weren't immediately told Rey's entire backstory in TFA which is only the first chapter of this TRILOGY and with everything and everyone else they were introducing/rehashing in that movie I guess they thought, hey we can hold off on saying Rey is a skywalker and save it for the way better time pay off wise to tell everyone by doing so in TLJ when she is face to face with her father. Personally I hope this theory turns out to be true and thank you Star Wars Coffee for all the amazing vids. : )
That scene has the same effect on me every time I see it (20+ times). I really hope that Luke is her father, I have a good feeling about it.
I always considered that moment to be Luke feeling what had happened to Han using the force via Rey in a similar way Rey had a vision because of Anakin's lightsaber.
I am not disagreeing that part of it could have been a familial connection that luke could sense (if you read around the comments I just posted that I believe she is his daugher) just that the sense I got was that it was about Han's death at Kylo's hand.
Great video. I totally think this theory could work, and I've been a believer that Rey was mind-wiped since my first viewing. There is an issue with the timeline of Ben's turning to the dark side, however. But I've wondered, since Luke and the rest of the Jedi were totally out of contact for such a long time, couldn't Ben have turned many years before anyone in the rest of the galaxy found out? Again, nice work on the video!
Great theory. It would be so freakin awesome if you are correct. I would be totally happy if the movie went in this direction.
One Q? Why would Luke entrust her care to a sleemo like Unkar Plott? If he cared about her, why not leave her with a nice family like Obi Wan did with Luke? Why leave her in the hands of a someone who would treat her like a scavenger? That suggest Luke cares nothing for this girl.
I think it’s more likely Rey is Han & Leia’s daughter & they lost her. Maybe even think she is dead at the start of Force Awakens. Here is the run down of my theory:
Rey is Han and Leia’s daughter.
Ben Solo was watching her.
He took the Falcon.
Pirates stole The Falcon.
Dukain.
Ben got away, but Rey was taken.
She was 2 years old.
Ben felt guilty. It was his fault.
He started to go Dark.
Han and Leia sent him to train with Luke (as a Jedi) to help alleviate his guilt of losing Rey.
Han & Chewie went to look for The Falcon and Rey.
Dukain lost The Falcon.
Han found that out, but the trail went cold after Dukain. So Han never found it.
Rey changed hands with The Falcon until she was 6 years old and someone traded it with Unkar Plott.
Plott took in Rey to “work for him” as a scavenger.
The pirates left on another ship (what we see in the Force Awakens Rey vision).
This explains why Rey doesn’t know who her parents really are OR that this freighter ship is The Falcon.
Ben & Luke discover Snoke in the outer regions.
Snoke senses Ben’s guilt and that he could be easily changed to The Dark Side and serve Snoke.
Luke has Vader’s helmet and tells Ben Solo of his father (Ben’s grandfather).
Snoke creates the vision when Ben touches Vader’s helmet.
Ben goes to see Snoke to learn more about The Dark Side and his Grandfather. Stuff Luke won’t tell Ben.
Snoke convinces Ben to become Kylo Ren and promised him that he will help him.
Kylo returns to Luke with his Knights, they argue about the past and how Luke didn’t tell Kylo everything, betrays him and kills the pathetic new Jedi.
Luke goes to find answers about Snoke and the old Jedi order and also leaves R2 behind to keep watch in case Rey is found alive before Luke returns.
Han feels like he can’t return to Leia without finding their little girl -especially after what happened to Ben.
R2 wakes up at the end of Force Awakens when Rey returns and is seen in the same room as him, not when BB-8 returns with the map piece.
R2 is the smartest “person” in this saga and recognizes Rey. The only one to do so (besides maybe Han, eventually, but then Han dies).
R2 knows all this because he has never had his memory wiped like other droids have. Even a person’s memory fades with time...
Now Lor.
Luke gave Lor the map piece because Luke sent Lor to look for Han & Leia’s daughter. The missing baby.
Luke knows Ben (Kylo) feels guilty for the pirates stealing The Falcon and taking his little sister.
Luke knows finding the girl is key to helping Ben (Kylo) resolve his guilt.
Lor was very close. He traced The Falcon to Jakku, and decided to give the map piece to Poe, so Poe would give it to Han and Leia so they would go get Luke while Lor finished his last leg of the search for their little baby girl (now grown up).
This way no one purposely left Rey in the care of a deadbeat jerkhole. heheh.
See, it all fits. All the characters motivations are explained, even the droids. People are having a huge discussion on our twitter about all this @AwesomeGeekShow.
The theory completely fails to address the basic human emotions involving abductions/kidnappings. The parents would never stop searching until they found proof of death. They would always hope to find their daughter alive. Han, even the scoundrel he is, would not have gave a darn about the Falcon if his daughter was still missing and the LAST KNOWN location was inside that ship. That ship would have been torn apart looking for some clue as to where she went. Yet not one second is spent on this missing daughter, just Han fondly looking over his beloved ship. He finds a young woman, who appears roughly the same age as his missing daughter, and doesn't immediately start to question her identity or even asks her for her name? None of this...he's just happy to be "home". When Han reunites with Leia, not one single mention of this missing daughter? All the focus on getting Ben back, but the single greatest cause for his journey toward the darkside wasn't addressed? When Han is trying to get Ben to come back to the light, it gets overlooked?I like the idea of the theory, but the basic foundation has too many cracks to support the rest of the theory. Maybe if Ben would have said his sister was killed by the pirates or something equally finite, they would have stopped...but I think it still would have been brought up somewhere in the dialog between Leia/Han/Kylo.Rey might not be a Skywalker, but it's highly unlikely your Solo theory is correct either.
However I do believe a memory wipe was done on Rey. That is for sure. But she was not left there right after Ben ransacked the academy. Ben found out that he was Vader's grandson in a transmission he was watching when another senator call Leia out on being Vader's daugther, Ben was 23. IF this happened like you're thinking it did this would make a continuity error in Claudia Grey's book. Which is canon. The Sequel to bloodline, which the name is escaping me right now.
I made this same argument on another post like a week ago . About lor san tekka being the watcher from a distance much like obi wan.
If that's true, why didn't Lor San Tekka rescue her from slave labor?
Egalen 42 He done a great job watching didn't he
Wintermute01001 slave labor? Where? She scavenged and wasnt owned. The best place to hide is to be nothing. She was nothing. Had nothing.
Egalen 42 I too made this conclusion the second time I saw TFA. I do think she's obviously there to watch over her and this confirms to me that Luke at least knew her.
i really hope she's his daughter. it would make me like her so much more than if she's just a random person powerful with the force. continue the skywalker legacy
If she was mind wiped, would she have said "come back" and watched the ship fly off while unkar held her hand as a girl? She wouldn't have known someone dropped her off there if she was mind wiped.
If this is all true... i'm willing to bet Luke's first words will be "you look just like your mother".
Did you see the 2016, 40th anniversary celebration? The panel of stars had Mark Hamill talking about the cast. When he went to Daisy, he says "my da-, my sister."He clearly dropped a hint to Luke's relationship to Rey. Check it out!
Love it, anytime a person draws the same conclusions as I have, such as you have in this video.
1. Rey was left on Jakku 13 years before TFA in the hands of Unkar Plutt, not Lor San Tekka. This was about 7 years before Ben Solo became Kylo Ren.2. Read the Poe Dameron comic, where Poe searches for Lor San Tekka. He wasnt always on Jakku and certainly not watching Rey as Obi-Wan watched Luke.3. What kind of person would Luke be to leave his daughter in the hands of Unkar Plutt?I think if Rey is Luke child, he most likely wouldnt be the person who left her on Jakku. If Rey is his daughter, Luke probably belives she is dead and that could also explain his exile on Jakku (loosing both Rey and Kylo).
Or perhaps Lor San Tekka is searching for Rey at Luke's behalf.
I like it PJ. This makes total sense now that I think about it. Keep em coming.
Ben left her. He couldn't kill her for some reason after taking out all the other Jedi.
you definitely should have so many more SW fans viewing your material it's alwats well thought out and not freekn ckickbait☺ keep it going
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I know who rey's mother is! It's Leia and Luke is her father! Cause in the film before force awakens leia said "we will have kids."That is what leia said.
Good theory, but I don't think Rey is Luke's daughter. I have a theory she is related to Obi wan!
Rey is Obi Wan's niece and here is why:
Obi Wans story is rumoured to be wrapped up in the Last Jedi and I think this theory will be the vehicle to do this.
As stated in the Phantom Menace, joining the Jedi order was something you did as a young child which is exactly what would have happened to Obi Wan Kinobe himself. Therefore we know nothing of his family. A great twist to the whole storyline would be if ObiWans family never accepted him leaving and became anti Jedi and perhaps even pro Empire.
If ObiWan had a younger brother or sister who had a baby who was force sensitive (i.e Rey), could create real tension if Luke were to discover her....
Such a storyline would mirror the Luke/Obi Wan relationship, but also give a great reason to make a film dedicated to Obi Wan...!
I'm sure there are plot holes all through this theory, but would love to hear your feedback
Uhhhh that doesn’t make any sense according to JJ Abrams commentary when he states that Kylo and Rey have never met. Another theory is that he has been having Force visions of her like she has been having of him. That’s why he says in the novelization, “It is you!” As in it is you the girl from my visions. Sorry this just doesn’t make any sense because of tons of things both actors and directors have said. I still think she’s a Kenobi.
I think your theory is nearly there, I really like it, but there's the "bloodline problem" - that novel shows us that 6 years prior to TFA Ben was still Ben and knocking about with Luke. No mention of an academy, but Han's dialogue in TFA does suggest that the boy who turns against Luke is the one who destroyed the new Jedi, so if we assume that boy is Ben, the academy should still be alive long after Rey was dropped on Jakku.
She was dropped there at least 10, maybe 14 years, before TFA.
I think it's important that Rey says she's waiting for her family, not her parents, father or mother. It could be any relation that dropped her off.
And while memory wipe could explain her thinking Luke to be a myth, I think it much more likely (and easier to explain) that she's just never known her father.
Either Luke knew he fathered her but then, as this video says, didn't want her involved, so let her go with her family, or maybe he never knew he'd fathered a child, but somehow Ben suspected or knew.
If I had to bet, I would say that her mother is Sabine Wren, a mandalorian, a culture where FAMILY is everything.
This would also open up a set of adventures to be told about Luke & Sabine, set after RotJ, where Luke perhaps goes to free Mandalore from the imperial remnant. Incidentally, if Sabine becomes ruler of Mandalore during the imperial occupation (which doesn't end with the death of the emperor necessarily) we now know the title of that position is... the emperor's hand, a title previously given to... Mara Jade... 😉
renegade6k This comment makes me wishful for Mara Jade to be in these movies and while I love the idea of Sabine Wren being her mother, I think it would be too confusing to have two main characters with the same sounding surname (even though with Kylo it's not an actual surname). I'm really hoping her mother turns out to be Captain Phasma.
I'd still rather her be Kenobi's granddaughter.
renegade6k Anakin Skywalker was already corrupted by the Dark Side in episode 2 before he was officially Darth Vader. It's not impossible that Ben was likewise corrupted before he was officially Kylo Ren.
The canon timeline is off for this to be accurate, but some elements could be true.
To think, Snoke absorbing Keylo's powers while searching for Luke, who has force powers Snoke also wish to absorbs, and will want to absorb Rey's powers down the road.
I've thought this since I saw The Force Awakens, with a few minor differences. I believe that Luke had force vision telling him that he had to leave Rey on Jakku. In the force vision he felt danger for Rey and the need to leave her on Jakku. It would have shown him uncertainty in the future and that he needed to go into hiding and where. It also would have given him the timeline as to when to tell R2 to come out of sleep mode with the information at the right time.
Essentially she was left on a planet to learn independence and strong will, as well as physical training like what Yoda gave Luke on Degobah. The force guided Luke to do what needed to be done for the Jedi to survive, and guided Rey through the events to get her back to her father to complete her training.
Don't buy it. Rey was 5 or 6 when left on Jakku. Ben Solo apparently turned six years before The Force Awakens according to Bloodlines. Rey was likely 19 in TFA. She would've had to be 14 or 15 when left. Luke could've left her on Jakku, but it was more likely before Ben's betrayal.
Robert Eichhorn I agree. Rey would have had to have been abandoned in Jakku many years before Ben betrayed Luke and turned to the dark side. She can't have a false memory of her time on Jakku either, because of all those marks in her AT AT house counting the days. So I'm not sure this theory works.
It's much more likely that Luke didn't abandon Rey because he didn't know about her and that she was abandoned by her mother or her guardians.
It us funny though that Rey seems to expect her parents to come back to her but she never gives any indication that she knows who they are. That might mean she has a false memory of the past.
I'm not certain that Ren knows exactly who she is anyway, because in the movie at least, he never really tells Rey anything. He still seems very uncertain and curious.
You'd think if he knew who she was he wouldn't be half as surprised by her skills with the Force when he interrogated her and would have surely said something at some point.
I don't know how much he knows. On the one hand the 'what girl?' and 'it is you' comments would seem to suggest that he does know who she is, but everything else he says and does in the movie doesn't support this.
I was actually about to make this comment.
i think this is why the novelizations/comics/TV serues ect although Canon aren't so fixed in star wars as we think they are...all they have (Lucas/Disney) have to do is tell a conflicting story to change it back to the way they want it to be in a sequel for a movie trilogy. ..
Robert Eichhorn The amount of times I have had to say this correction that you have commented lol 😁 minus the bit about luke could've left her on Jakku.
I listened to the Bloodlines audiobook and I must have missed the point when Ben flipped. I do recall Leia starting The Resistance -- alone -- at the end of the book and Ben finding out who his grandfather was through the galactic lamestream media but nothing specific about Ben going Darksided or Han deciding to resume smuggling! I think we'll need a book or two illustrating these points.
I do believe this Theory but there's a little more to Jakku than just leaving her there for her safety and another video Jakku is a conductor for the good of the force and as powerful as she is she's absorbing all that good from what's in the planet to make her stronger like Yoda went to his home planet and that Dagobah and that's a huge conductor for the dark side of the force while jakku is just the opposite and that's why I in another video as well why Palpatine had some plans for jakku and he could feel the good of the force and he can never go near it because it always made him sick so that's one of the reason why Luke put Rey on Jakku to help her absorb and get stronger in the good side of the force.
My trouble with this theory is why Luke left her on Jakku at all? If she is her daughter why do not bring her with him to live on the temple island? What father is not happier with his daughter next to him and who would be best off to protect her - Luke or the Jakku guy? And I do not see Luke as the guy who wipe out his daughters memory and leave her to rot on Jakku at all - Its totaly uncarastic and needs a really good explonation to be belivable. And while many has been theorisng over this the past summer I still have not found a credible explonation for this. Now the only thing I can imagine is if Luke belived Rey was dead and could not sense her cause of the dark side nexus at Jakku. But that still leave us wondering who Reys mother is and when Luke has time and character to create a child with her. Cause Luke has seen first hand what love and attachment did to Anakin and I am not sure he is in a emotional state to engage with a girl long enough to create a child he knows he is the father of. This would of course be possible if the mother tricked Luke into it and then left him unknowning of his daughters existance. But I still see it as a rather od and unstrightfull way to create a story - I mean, whats the dramaticall point in doing that? Johan.
I think she and Luke were both emotional because she finally came face to face with a legend and Luke knows who she is or may lead to in the end and what involvement he will have.
I don't think Luke knows about rey, but Lot San tekka did. That her mom left her there without Luke learning about it like his father. Kylo ren had s force vision from Vader's helmet where he saw a girl, who turns out to be Rey
Placing his daughter and his location on the same planet makes no sense.
Rey is Obi Wans daughter
Great thanks. So what was the part after 'now listen closely' again? :)
memory wipe is such a cheap cop out. its simple, rey was left behind around, what? 4?6? at that age, you still think your parents names are "mom" and "dad". hence why, "luke skywalker?! i thought he was just a legend". and maz kanata saying "whoever you are waiting for, they are not coming back. your journey is forward". because she was meant to go find her father when the time comes
Please let Maria Jade be Rey's mom.
Holly...we are so tuned in same theory..fingers crossed now that the film is ready to roll
Uhhhhh.... I think it is a coincidence since most of the main characters were on Jakku.... O_0
I love your explanation of Rey being Luke's daughter and it makes perfect sense I'm going to love the Last Jedi.
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Maz Kenata told us that whoever left Rey on Jakku is not coming back, though there's someone who still could come for her.
That tells me for sure Luke Skywalker is NOT her family, though he is the person most important to her future.
Beware of exact words. She never said the person who left her is her father. In fact, Maz is not omniscient given that she doesn't know who Rey is either, though the Force apparently does.
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So the six year before the Force Awakens timeline in the book Bloodlines should be ignored?
Excellent video. One of your best.
Nailed it.
I like this theory, mind wipe would also explain how she came to use her force powers on star killer base. Being the daughter of Luke being left behind at 7 or 8. Luke would have started her Jedi training, on star killer base she had some kind of instinct to return to her Jedi teachings.
My take is that when the interrogation sequence took place, her force ability was tested and unlocked. Seems to parallel Poe's interrogation, where he failed with no force ability.
Here's my problem. In Rey's vision she clearly knows who left her and is screaming come back! Explain that...
TheDallasfan1982 Well, that's the point. That's all we see in the vision and Rey never gives any further indication in the film that she knows anything more about her parents.
I guess maybe Lor Santeca was always keeping eyes on Rey like Obi Wan stayed near Luke to keep eyes over him.
No tears at the end of force awakens.
Perfection
Not a bad theory one issue u missed is why luke would give her to ankar platt? That doesnt seem likely
I believe you. I have read bloodlines but I keep books separate from the movies. Because TFA was written in script first. So people can stop with that.
Powers the "Others", "Celestials" or whatever you choose to call them are demonstrated to be far beyond even Anakin's powers (except in one scene, then is undone shortly after.) They can disarm lightsabers with their bare hands, and the Father was the strongest of them all.
Theory:
Set Hart could be Snoke. Set Hart was in the Bane trilogy. And he was a former Jedi, and partially Sith apprentice. Set ran off with Darth Andeddu's holocron. Which would help him live forever. He escaped to unknown space, where Snoke is also from. Set could have seen the rise and fall of the Empire as well, like Snoke. There's no official death story on Set Hart.
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Set_Harth
I am with you, but I do not think your theory is 100% accurate as far as when Luke left Rey on Jakku. I believe Kylo has been dark for about 5 to 6 yrs, so we know from force back Rey was dropped off at a younger age. I am a Luke and Rey fan myself and want Rey to be Luke's daughter also, so not criticizing just speaking fact's and yes it is a fact Luke's ship dropped Rey off in the force back. Soon we will have the total truth as to what happened actually. Another good video well done.
Rey is the reincarnated first Jedi, you know it to be true. Ach-to is her home. The force tree is the first Jedi temple that Rey called home. Rey is Ashla, Snoke is Bogan. Yes folks, brother and sister.
Everyone seems to forget and missed the fact Han Solo and Mas both know who she is as well.
God, I hope you're right.
That still leaves the question, who is Rey's mum and is that going to be significant?
Perhaps Rey's mum was Lor San Tekka's daughter or something?
Violator Phasma, I heard, from other people's guesses
Another reason why I believe this theory is because Han and Leia seem to know who she is. I think Han has it confirmed to him when he finds out her name. Plus when Maz Kanata asks Han who she is, the scene immediately cuts to another scene in a way that suggests Han is about to tell her, but we, the audience aren't supposed to know yet. Luke, Han and Leia know who she is regardless of whether or not she's Luke's daughter. There's no doubt in my mind. Now it was said (i believe by Abrams) that Rey and her family are in the movie TFA, but they never share screen time together, but I think it could've been said to throw us off, because of how likely/obvious it is that she is Luke's daughter, but again we aren't supposed to know yet.
When you break it down like that it does make a lot of sense, your theory could very well be the most logical one
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I'm lovin' this line of reasoning!
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I want Rey to be a Skywalker so bad, but I really think memory wiping is lame. If this happens, it better be cool.
In Bloodline which takes years 6 years before The Force Awakens Kylo is still trianing with Luke so Rey would be on Jakku before Kylo turned dark.
He may have given the map fragment so the Jedi lore could be found one day, not Luke.
WHY ON JAKU WITH OF ALL PEOPLE UNKAR PLUTT??
I’m gonna be so pissed if the big reveal is “Rey, I am your father!”
Great Video! I just subscribed. Also, I think Ahch-To is pronounced OCTO. Or Awk-Toe
Marco Neves awk-2
The mind wiping would make no sense, if Rey forgot about Luke, why was she so passionate as a little girl, in the force vision, yelling with all her might, for the family she clearly had not forgotten, to come back.
Get it right folks: Rey was left there by her parents,han and leia,to protect her,and to prepare her for the trials she will face.
I liked this theory & this is a really good theory. I think Rey is a Skywalker
I love this theory and I hope it turns out to be true, but Luke could sense Rey simply because she has the Force within her and the same could be said for her finding him. Also if Rey's memory was wiped then who was she crying for to return when the ship leaves Jakku? Whomever left, she knew them.
it's the twists and turns though, that i think is gonna fool everybody, all these theory's.. which is great, but i bet when we all watch this Episode in December, everyone will be saying to themselves.. WTF and i think this is Fabulous!
The Falcon is CONVENIENTLY on Jakku also!!
This is a decent theory however with bloodline being canon, it falls short. My theory is that given everything we know, Rey and Ben trained with Luke and his other students. Ben was always treated the way anakin was, not by Luke and Ben but by the other students and other people, that he was dangerous because of his mental instability. Snoke knew their heritage but never told them. I also believe he was jealous of Rey and her abilities and the attention she received from snoke and Luke. Snoke filled the void his parents couldn't fill. Therefore, he NOT Luke stole Luke's speeder (it was confirmed it was Luke's ship in Rey's vision that left her on Jakku) and dropped her off on Jakku and wiped her memory. She would no longer be a threat or a target of Snoke for an apprentice. He stayed as Luke's apprentice for a few more years as he slowly began to succumb to snoke's influence like his grandfather. But once he found out his true heritage in bloodline and that everyone lied to him, that was the straw that broke the camels back. This is why he knew who Rey was with the "what girl?" And "it is you!" Comment. Leia and Han never knew about Rey because Luke never had much contact with them like Ben during the thirty years between the movies as said in bloodline. That's what I think and i believe it makes the most sense. Thoughts?
If luke is her father, then who was her mother, is just as important of a question because for rey to be as storong with the force, its a good possibility her mom had the force to a point as well or at least force sensitive without her knowing it.
And Rey is NOT a Mary Sue!
She raised herself on Jakku and learned to fight and take care of herself pretty effectively there.
(All the "Mary Sue" complainers seem to conveniently forget that fact.)
Luke destroyed the Jedi temple and wiped Rey's memory. Then dumped her on jakku
What if kylo is looking for Luke to find palpatines sith holocron? If he's truly turned to the dark side, it would make sense to seek out anything that increases his knowledge of the dark side of the force and more importantly on darth vader. Be cool if you could shed some light on your thoughts on this and any reasons it couldn't fit. Just speculating.
I think the map showed Luke was on that island and she walked up the stairs to find him.
Never mind about Rey being Luke's daughter. That seems apparent. Who is the mother? Obiwan Kenobi's secret daughter from a beautiful but strong willed daughter of a moisture farmer. Whom he rescued from sand people? That he sent away when he knew Luke Skywalker was ready?
You're forgetting that Daisy Ridley said Luke doesn't know who Rey is at first when they meet on Ach-To. I'm sure he realizes soon after who she is, but don't you think he would recognize his daughter immediately?
Russell Adkins Well, if he dropped her on Jakku then yes, but not of he doesn't know he has a daughter.
This is interesting...:
I have a theory. Rey was not left on Jakku by like. She was probably left there by her mother. Here is my theory
Rey and her mother were on their way back to Luke's jedi temple until snoke found them. They fled the first order and landed on Jakku . Reys mother knew it would be dangerous to keep her daughter with her, so she left her there with unkar plut because he hid them in exchange for Rey.
I didn't think Luke wanted to be found and that's why he was isolated on a far away island. The whole Lor Santeca think was strange because their was zero explanation of who he was.
Memory wipe is also at the end in revenge of the Sith also
I think Luke Skywalker is reys father think about it the blue lightsaber belonged to Anakin Skywalker then passed down to Luke Skywalker and and now Rey owns the lightsaber
What do think about the character Frey from the Phasma novel? Phasma's people couldn't reproduce, because of poor living conditions. So Frey was sort of a miracle, like a boy named Anakin once was. Also, they mention that the First Order would erase a child's file, when they just wanted them to disappear. Cardinal was used to doing so. Maybe he knew that there was something special about Frey. So he took her to his home planet. Where was Cardinal from again? Oh yeah, Jakku.
In the October issue of Empire magazine, the first page of the Star Wars article says, "Can plucky Padawan Rey persuade him to return to the Fray?"
So many different theories. That's mine though. My theory today anyway:)
I like to think Kylo left Rey their and that Rey trained with Luke. Thats why she beat Kylo Ren because she already has a little bit of Jedi Training. Kylo couldn't kill Rey because Rey IS his cousin. He took her there on the Falcon and traded her and the Falcon for the ship we see him leave in. But i do like this theory alot i could see either one working so long that Rey had a little bit of training with her father before he took her to Jakku.
What do you think?
I sure hope you are right!
Who's the mom then?
I really hope they can come up with something original. Not just "this is what happened in a new hope so that's why this is happening in TfA."
The book Bloodline takes place about 6 years before Force Awakens. Kylo Ren was still with Luke at that point. Rey is 19 during Force Awakens. In her vision she is 5 or 6 at most. She could not have been dropped off on Jakku after Kylo turned tot he dark side. She certainly wasn't 13 when she was left there. Unless he mind wiped her and planted the false memory.
But why couldn't she? If we take her vision at "face value", why couldn't she be dropped off at the age off 5, 6 years old? Kylo is 10 years older, according to Wookiepedia, he is training with Luke and with the Force, Luke could have seen what the future could have been.
Also, Leia said in TFA she knew about Snoke, how could Luke NOT know? Again, just offering a possibility, he could have put her there to hide her until she was older to protect her from Snoke.
The assumption almost everybody has is if Rey is Luke's daughter, he would not have hid her until AFTER the attack and fall of his Jedi Temple. That is assumption and does not have to be fact.
With the force vision that Luke obviously has (see ESB) Luke could have seen that his Jedi academy would be destroyed by a student and decided to not risk the life of his daughter in that betrayal... lending credibility to this theory. 😉 ... also hoping that his daughter would not be the one to betray him knowing a family past complicated with the dark side.
Is Luke giving Rey a vision just like the father gave Anakin a vision? Please please please tell me that Rey is Ahsoka and Luke learns about Mortis. Come on now, Vader was limping off after Malachor so I'm dead set on Ahsoka surviving. I bet she's still around during and after the original trilogy and probably even interacts with Luke after the fall of the empire. The character of Ahsoka has such a rich history and has a well deserved following, I'd love to see Rey be a reincarnation of Ahsoka rather than Anakin. Ben can be Anakin; he's certainly unhinged like Anakin. It would reduce Ahsoka fans to tears and give others, who have only seen the movies, so much more to learn!
It looks like the ghost was the ship that drop Rey on jaku
That was my theory exactly. Must be true
I agree with you 100 percent
Luke would have seen or at least heard the falcon
Same theory as i have. It's the onlyone that make sense
So if that's Luke's daughter do you think that she was trained as a Jedi and all that training was wiped that's why it came back so quickly and fluently. Otherwise there's no way that are fresh untrained Padawan could be a Sith Lord