yo can you switch up the music a lil bit, it's the same jam every damn video, i get that its dramatic and mysterious but when u overuse it like that it looses its effect and becomes annoying
im not much into RS, maybe.... yet? but its so cool to see someone making and selling high quality figurines they made, poggers my guy poggers, artist to artist :)
When I was young I was so interested in how people were developing bots back around 05 and how they worked. Many years later I got into IT and programming thanks to runescape
I joined Runescape after the sleeping bag had been implemented. I had no idea why the sleep mechanic was in the game, figured it was for immersion, and I actually liked it XD
I was not around back in the day when the sleep mechanic was in place, but I wish they bring it back as an immersion/quality of life mechanic. There's so many beds all over the game world that serve no purpose other than decoration and it would be neat if you could actually sleep in them. I'm thinking they could be used similarly to beds in many other games as a way to instantly restore health and maybe drained stats and run energy as well. Banks already do that for health and it is kind of redundant, but perhaps this feature could be removed from banks since it makes more sense for beds and would certainly be more immersive.
It makes me feel weird that many of the ideas in this video, including the open source captcha solver and using ml, like svm or nn to actually solve the captcha, are all ideas I would have thought of today. I think I expected people didn’t know that much almost 2 decades ago, but the ml models had been out for a long time and good programmers in 2003 were probably amazing because of how much knowledge they had to have. It must have been pretty fun in the early days of the internet when things were so much more hackable because there wasn’t as much built in security. Anyways, amazing video. This is really cool.
I love this historical content. I started playing back in the old days just a year or so before RS2 (anyone else get their first membership to get access to to RS2 beta?).
Yeah, it's honestly pretty annoying to hear someone make a video on someone so prominent and then just repeatedly get the name not even close to right.
@@Illyoxis And? in Orcs vs Humans the horde didn't exist yet, the horde as we know today only started existing practically at the end of Warcraft 3, and the horde and alliance are not always in war, they've band together multiple times to fight a bigger foe. In fact, Horde vs Alliance have been at war for less than 2 years because the most recent war only started in BfA and it already ended in Shadowlands.
I'm a data scientist and I work with artificial intelligence and machine learning. For clarification, it's optical character recognition not optical content recognition but you did a great job explaining it. As for the dictionary of words used in leosleep you are 100% correct about your suspicion that it was finding similar words to the characters it detected. levenshtein distance is one such method of measuring the closeness in spelling of two words. Runescape could probably be doing a much better job at detecting bots. The behavioral patterns of players and bots will likely be very distinct and no matter how hard the bots try the only way to approximate a real player is to really play. If you ask me, great programmers like to bot runescape because it's challenging, if runescape really wanted to do something about the bots they would share a tone of data and launch a competition to catch bots. Big companies sometimes do this through sites like kaggle, I know I would probably give it a go - especially if it meant improving this nostalgic game.
Ive started learning runescript just bcuz its so difficult. 0 knowledge but studying wut i get from a friend. Im lowballing it but millions of dollars r sent to jagex from bots buying membership. Jagex wont do anything to the bots until they majorly effect the economy amd even then its like they set an amount to make off the botting accounts thru bonds or whatever. No reddit post, tweet, or riot in game will make jagex do anything before they make the set amount if u ask me
This wasn't close to machine learning. Hence the need for the dictionary (which was very creative). Mind you, the original program was also just a database which had collected images. If he would have been able to teach the software to learn from it's mistakes, then it would approximate ml better. For example, if the machine was able to 'reason' that it's messing up on the letter 'l' constantly when it has to type the word color and was also able to figure out 'why' (i.e. analyse the consistencies in errors). In other words, a program with its own feedback loop and also the ability to accurately apply the feedback loop in a useful matter.
@@ilikecommenting6849 A suppoert vector machine was used in the original program to solve for the optical character recognition. A support vector machine (SVM) is a machine learning algorithm. Machine learning refers to a set of algorithms that can train on a set of training data such that it can perform well against unseen data. You are talking about artificial intelligence from books or science fiction and that just doesn't exist yet.
Shout out to all us 30+ year olds who were there, I feel like a lot of my youth I was spent on SBOT and Reinet. At one point my mom was playing sleepwalker as a game building up my 'karma' for sleepwalker.
Lol there has only ever been the illusion of a war. Jagex don’t actually give a shit about bots. In fact, they’re happy to boast about millions of account creations and 200,000 consecutive players, even though any player can walk around and shortly realise at least half of the numbers are inflated with bots. As you said, it’s been happening for 19 years, they aren’t going to fix it, because it’s not a problem to them.
Hey bud, I played at the time and remember a lot of info that was left out such as other sleepers such as WUSS. But LeoSleep was the most common. I remember doing a bunch of captchas on the IRC SleepWalker before I went to school so that my bot would be able to run until I got home without getting fatigue capped. If there's any more info from this time in RSC cheating that you'd like to know, throw me a PM. I love reminiscing about the old days and even moreso if I can help you produce one of these awesome videos.
I used leosleep. It was actually pretty accurate. It usually never took more than 4 times, usually getting it after one or two tries. It was a standalone program as you noted but was eventually incorporated into clients like APOS.
I don't hate the fatigue system. Adds a bit more roleplay, maybe it could give a slight xp boost (1-2%) when you sleep a certain amount of time, it could be used to restore hitpoints faster for low levels, and stamina of course. Make beds have a use again.
Some good information missing a lot of little features jagex added in. For example, if packets was being sent and no mouse mouse movement you'll be logged out after 3 minutes. Even down to reading the class names on the client and if they've been renamed via a deobber it'll stop you sending actions. There is so much more information about the botting scene and how script writers then went on to write quests for jagex.
I stumbled upon one of your historical videos, and I'm absolutely hooked haha. I dont even play osrs anymore, just rs3 and mobile at that haha. Really enjoy all the work you put into the videos and interviews. Keep up the excellent work
I remember the sleeping bags came out the same day that pickaxes were no longer just "pickaxes" and they finally added bronze - rune pickaxes. At the time all they did was click for you more, they didn't have a chance of gaining ore quicker. Rune giving the most clicks at 12. I also remember fatigue being a lot more lenient before sleeping bags, it would take much longer before you got to 100%. Beds were still useful too even when sleeping bags were out, because it would take less time to get your fatigue back to 0, so if there was a bed nearby you'd just go to one instead of use a sleeping bag. We don't even think about beds in modern runescape, but there's still hundreds of them everywhere. For example, did you even notice the beds they have in the edgeville monastery? :p There's 6 of them. I can name so many other examples. I was a very high level player in Runescape classic, I now play Runescape 3 and a little bit of old school.
I remember the sleepwalker bot. I payed 100k in lobster certificates for the program. Didn't use it a whole bunch because I was worried I would get banned and I never did and that is still my main today.
While I don't know anything about LeoSleep or other OCR captcha bots, I have worked on an OCR system in the past for managing invoices. Your hunch about the choosing the closest match from the dictionary seems perfectly plausible, as that's a common approach.
If you use wildcard searches, you can find quite a bit of info on theintensity on the Wayback Machine. In the Wayback Machine url, type " * " where the date is and " /* " at the end of the url, and it will show you all files archived on the site. There's a Leosleep section with an archived download of FOCR source code.
Crumb, dude your videos are so unique and interesting. It's this beautiful niche you've found that I didn't know I needed to know all about xD great story teller, good research, great rs content creator ♥
nice video @Crumb you always seem to have the most reliable information for these kindve topics. I know I'm not alone when I say you are one the best investigators xD
I used one back towards the end of 2003 and after rs2 launch as I kept my original character on RSC. Towards the end, a website was created as well to track how many words you typed with a "highscores" like system. I would always do about 100 words a day, then auto all night as I slept. Some days I would wake up stuck on the sleep screen as not many people were inputting words at the time. I am pretty sure it was a live system meaning someone had to be on doing it for it to work. If they were not, you would wait until someone was online to type in the word.. oh the good days. Best part is they banned my account because I said I botted.. not for the 3 months I was actually botting 20+ hours a day :D
3:17 I used that exact color-detecting AutoMiner bot in early 2004, before the upgrade from RSC to RS2 came a few months later. I set it to mine copper overnight and came back the next morning to find I was permabanned. Jagex really didn't f*ck around back then
Thankyou SO MUCH for making a nice short advertisement and saying they're 30 seconds. No offence, those figurines look very cool, but I'm not into stuff like that, and I love how I can press my right arrow key 3 times, and be past it. Thankyou. Respect. Might buy one just because.
@7:17 the way it actually worked is that program came with a folder that had thousands of PNG images of every possible Captcha word. The program would be run in addition to the bot and would detect the screen while you were sleeping, take a screen shot of the sleep word, and matching it to one of the thousands of photos it kept filed. Each one of the images had the correct corresponding word filed as well, so it would just look up that image file, find the match, and attempt to type it. Once in a while it would take 2 or 3 tries. God damn though anyone remember the really popular one that used an Imp for its logo?
You know, including sleeping might actually help to deter bots. If you're reported multiple times in a 24 hour period perhaps requiring them do do something like sleeping mixed with an annoying series of puzzles for an hour before you can get out
As a software engineer that started with VB6, that code is not advanced nor is it "clean". Also the flow diagram shown on the forum is about as basic as they come. Botting isn't hard to stop and they were on the right lines with the first RSC implementation. The only downside was that they gave an infinite (or long enough to have someone else complete it remotely) amount of time for the user to enter the captcha. An almost fail proof system would be to use an existing captcha solution such as Googles or CloudFlare's and have the user input invalidate on the server after 20-30 seconds. This would mean that bots would need to have either an army of people smashing captchas out all day long (which would defeat the point in botting) or they would have to sit there and wait for the captcha events themselves. This should be implemented as a mandatory random event which you have the option of dismissing for 15 minutes, after which, the bot test must be completed regardless of where you are. This lets people who are in combat or in an unsafe place, get to somewhere that is safe before they continue game play. This works similar to the way the 6 hour logout works. Would it slightly inconvenience players? Yeah once every 1 or two hours for a quick 15 second test. But the benefit is that the market prices would plummet overnight, GP inflation would reduce significantly and world resources would actually be available to use (i.e mining wouldn't have 4 bots contested over a single rock). It would 100% be worth it.
I unfortunately worked with VB6 professionally for just shy of 2 years, this guy wrote the entire virtual mouse controller & implemented unique functions. The code was logical to follow and organized into modules, it was clean. With consideration for the era I was impressed, especially given most of these guys were in their young teens. I like your idea with captchas
I remember well before ocr we use to use “cold feet” I believe someone on rscn programmed it maybe Kait but I’m not 100% it was essentially a crowd sourced sleeping cheat you’d do it for tickets and then in turn someone would do it for you to gain sleep tickets. This was around the time scar was leading the way in botting. Ocr didn’t come until later around 2004 right around the time rs2 was released
Doesn't OCR stand for Optical CHARACTER Recognition , rather than content? Just a small correction, otherwise the depth of the video content is beyond insane - thank you! Please keep it going! :)
This was really interesting but it stopped very abruptly. I guess I'll just assume that LeoSleep v1.0.3 couldn't be improved upon and forced Jagex to admit defeat.
I remember sleepwalker/fatigue op lol. The worst part with fatigue op was if you were a slow typist or had high latency, it was hard to get credits as other people would beat you to it. I used to write scripts for RSC/early RS2 for SCAR back when rscheatnet.com existed. I mainly did it for fun to learn coding, but ultimately gave up when my account was banned lol. I actually managed to dig up an old script I wrote for SCAR that fished lobsters on karamja, and banked or certed them in draynor. I threw it on pastebin ( pastebin.com/UJLmjx4a ) if you want to see what a runescape script from 2003 looked like lol. If I remember correctly, the OCR software like leosleep (and I think there was one called Furby OCR or something similar) wasn't really a thing until after RS2's release, and at that point Jagex didn't really care about RSC any more.
Will some of your old figurines ever come back in stock? I bought your jad and love it! I want to get Tekton, Muttadile, Olmet, and graardor. I love all of them, awesome quality!
Good video but you could have added the massive flaw that the fatigue system had. When you were 99 fatigue and attacked a monster you would get combat xp but not hp xp because you were to tired. This lead to people botting accounts with 90 atk, def, str but able to have 80hp and since there were no highscores for rsc anymore staking went by health points. Imagine if today on osrs you would be able to stake on an account that has alot higher stats then oponent, but same hp
The website wasn't kenneticz, it's kaitnieks, pronounced "kite-nye-icks". Otherwise bravo this takes me so far back, i been playing rsc since a wee-lad, around 2001.
I remember using leosleep just to make typing in the captcha faster I was young and it was a pain in the ass to read the letters I never really botted back then either
Can you make a video called "how much can a bot make in a month" and kinda break that down and see the numbers, if you invested your $6 for a month, how much gold could you make and the average amount of real world money you could make in return if you were to sell that gold? Think it would be a cool video idea.
I definitely remember using sleepwalker and scar. Would go to bed fishing, wake up, enter a bunch of captchas to earn credits, and go to school, come back and repeat lol.
People also did wood cutting and and lit the logs on fire and got to 97% and then attacked npc's to get defense and strength xp without gaining much hit points xp :) also ppl used dwarven stouts to get their att lowered under 8 and attacked dummies in varrock for no hit points but gained attack xp. Just thought I'd give you a little more input on what some ppl did back then
Scar was my first introduction to a scripting language. Good fun back in the day. I made my quite a few of my own bots back in the day that just did simple stuff like making bows at a bank or mining and dropping iron ore.
That sleepwalker thing where other ppl answered the questions is fucking ingenious like seriously and to think it was probably like young adults doing this lol
Ok so now apparently I have watched so many vids from different creators on the history of botting/gold farming that an actual GOLD FARMING COMPANY advert played in the middle of this vid lmao
I used a client that you had to have so much time of typing in answers for people to wake up before it would let you use the client to then cheat yourself was so long ago barely remember it
✅ My OSRS Figurines & Gifts: crumb.store/
i dunno who is playing but its
ABDABFECE not ABDABEFCE :D
i know cuz that is legit my password for my offline work laptop for years now.
yo can you switch up the music a lil bit, it's the same jam every damn video, i get that its dramatic and mysterious but when u overuse it like that it looses its effect and becomes annoying
Wait, would jagex ban your actual runescape account by playing this recreation of rsc that’s not officially by jagex?
im not much into RS, maybe.... yet? but its so cool to see someone making and selling high quality figurines they made, poggers my guy poggers, artist to artist :)
@@dannyU2g
Loo p
When I was young I was so interested in how people were developing bots back around 05 and how they worked. Many years later I got into IT and programming thanks to runescape
I joined Runescape after the sleeping bag had been implemented. I had no idea why the sleep mechanic was in the game, figured it was for immersion, and I actually liked it XD
I was not around back in the day when the sleep mechanic was in place, but I wish they bring it back as an immersion/quality of life mechanic. There's so many beds all over the game world that serve no purpose other than decoration and it would be neat if you could actually sleep in them.
I'm thinking they could be used similarly to beds in many other games as a way to instantly restore health and maybe drained stats and run energy as well. Banks already do that for health and it is kind of redundant, but perhaps this feature could be removed from banks since it makes more sense for beds and would certainly be more immersive.
If anyone is thinking about ordering Crumb’s figurines i can vouch that they’re very high quality and exceeded my expectations
Trying to get my wife to the kbd for me for Christmas xD in love with all the figurines
the price seems ridiculous for something that's not opposeable. not trying to diss his grind either
They don’t even look 30$ worth
Oh i thought this was about the adderall issue
what issue, theirs no issue, now watch me hit cox for the 1,189th time.
@@DeepFriedOSRS struggle is real
Imagine taking a stimulant to click on virtual trees for 10 hours a day. Pathetic.
@June ask your doctor
Adderall makes me do nothing cuz i actually need it but wont take it. NOBODY NEEDS LEGAL SPEED
It makes me feel weird that many of the ideas in this video, including the open source captcha solver and using ml, like svm or nn to actually solve the captcha, are all ideas I would have thought of today. I think I expected people didn’t know that much almost 2 decades ago, but the ml models had been out for a long time and good programmers in 2003 were probably amazing because of how much knowledge they had to have. It must have been pretty fun in the early days of the internet when things were so much more hackable because there wasn’t as much built in security.
Anyways, amazing video. This is really cool.
I love this historical content. I started playing back in the old days just a year or so before RS2 (anyone else get their first membership to get access to to RS2 beta?).
Name: Kaitnieks
Crumb: "kinetics"
viņam ir twitteris
Yeah, it's honestly pretty annoying to hear someone make a video on someone so prominent and then just repeatedly get the name not even close to right.
@John Cleet who said it wasn't?
@John Cleet kaitnieks=sailor kinetic=kinētisks, so that's not his name
@John Cleet omg im latvian kinetics means kinetic energy not his name, his name is kaitnieks it means sailor totally different from kinetic energy
Alliance VS Horde is the longest ongoing war in a videogame.
Jagex VS Bots: Hold my sleeping bag.
jagex vs bots is still an ongoing war, alliance vs horde is a joke of a war
Orcs vs Humans came out in '94 my dude.
@@Illyoxis And? in Orcs vs Humans the horde didn't exist yet, the horde as we know today only started existing practically at the end of Warcraft 3, and the horde and alliance are not always in war, they've band together multiple times to fight a bigger foe. In fact, Horde vs Alliance have been at war for less than 2 years because the most recent war only started in BfA and it already ended in Shadowlands.
I'm a data scientist and I work with artificial intelligence and machine learning. For clarification, it's optical character recognition not optical content recognition but you did a great job explaining it. As for the dictionary of words used in leosleep you are 100% correct about your suspicion that it was finding similar words to the characters it detected. levenshtein distance is one such method of measuring the closeness in spelling of two words. Runescape could probably be doing a much better job at detecting bots. The behavioral patterns of players and bots will likely be very distinct and no matter how hard the bots try the only way to approximate a real player is to really play. If you ask me, great programmers like to bot runescape because it's challenging, if runescape really wanted to do something about the bots they would share a tone of data and launch a competition to catch bots. Big companies sometimes do this through sites like kaggle, I know I would probably give it a go - especially if it meant improving this nostalgic game.
Jagex could probably do a ML training rate stats system to detect anomalous character growths 👀. A kaggle competition would probably do it. Lol
Ive started learning runescript just bcuz its so difficult. 0 knowledge but studying wut i get from a friend. Im lowballing it but millions of dollars r sent to jagex from bots buying membership. Jagex wont do anything to the bots until they majorly effect the economy amd even then its like they set an amount to make off the botting accounts thru bonds or whatever. No reddit post, tweet, or riot in game will make jagex do anything before they make the set amount if u ask me
This wasn't close to machine learning. Hence the need for the dictionary (which was very creative). Mind you, the original program was also just a database which had collected images. If he would have been able to teach the software to learn from it's mistakes, then it would approximate ml better. For example, if the machine was able to 'reason' that it's messing up on the letter 'l' constantly when it has to type the word color and was also able to figure out 'why' (i.e. analyse the consistencies in errors). In other words, a program with its own feedback loop and also the ability to accurately apply the feedback loop in a useful matter.
@@ilikecommenting6849 yea, but it was doing good though, I remember it not being a big issue and took like few seconds usually.
@@ilikecommenting6849 A suppoert vector machine was used in the original program to solve for the optical character recognition. A support vector machine (SVM) is a machine learning algorithm. Machine learning refers to a set of algorithms that can train on a set of training data such that it can perform well against unseen data. You are talking about artificial intelligence from books or science fiction and that just doesn't exist yet.
Shout out to all us 30+ year olds who were there, I feel like a lot of my youth I was spent on SBOT and Reinet. At one point my mom was playing sleepwalker as a game building up my 'karma' for sleepwalker.
From the earliest days, runescape has always had bots.
It's interesting how Jagex vs Botters has been a war going on for 19 years
Make runescape great again. Build the wall!
shurdi3 symbiotic by nature
Lol there has only ever been the illusion of a war. Jagex don’t actually give a shit about bots. In fact, they’re happy to boast about millions of account creations and 200,000 consecutive players, even though any player can walk around and shortly realise at least half of the numbers are inflated with bots. As you said, it’s been happening for 19 years, they aren’t going to fix it, because it’s not a problem to them.
I had that autominer back in the day. Had no idea what I was doing with it, don't think I got over 50 mining on classic.
@@kaydog890 they literally have a bot busting division in their company
Hey bud, I played at the time and remember a lot of info that was left out such as other sleepers such as WUSS. But LeoSleep was the most common. I remember doing a bunch of captchas on the IRC SleepWalker before I went to school so that my bot would be able to run until I got home without getting fatigue capped. If there's any more info from this time in RSC cheating that you'd like to know, throw me a PM. I love reminiscing about the old days and even moreso if I can help you produce one of these awesome videos.
I used leosleep. It was actually pretty accurate. It usually never took more than 4 times, usually getting it after one or two tries. It was a standalone program as you noted but was eventually incorporated into clients like APOS.
The sleeping bag thing was good for pures cuz you could stop getting xp
Tru did it work w quest xp?
Fatigue was a blessing for all my pure accounts. No more ruined 2def pures.
Lol
@@zaceryhammond1144 no.
So glad you came by to talk Crumb! Enjoy the video, keep up the good work!
I don't hate the fatigue system. Adds a bit more roleplay, maybe it could give a slight xp boost (1-2%) when you sleep a certain amount of time, it could be used to restore hitpoints faster for low levels, and stamina of course. Make beds have a use again.
Wow I always wondered why we had beds and were able to even build them but completely unable to use them for anything
No, construction was sooo much later.
they could add buffs? If you sleep your account for couple hours you have like +3 attack bonus on all stats and defence + 2 str idk lol probably not
Some good information missing a lot of little features jagex added in.
For example, if packets was being sent and no mouse mouse movement you'll be logged out after 3 minutes.
Even down to reading the class names on the client and if they've been renamed via a deobber it'll stop you sending actions.
There is so much more information about the botting scene and how script writers then went on to write quests for jagex.
I stumbled upon one of your historical videos, and I'm absolutely hooked haha. I dont even play osrs anymore, just rs3 and mobile at that haha. Really enjoy all the work you put into the videos and interviews. Keep up the excellent work
Awesome to see Open RuneScape Classic featured in some of the demonstrations!
Link in desc :)
As always, gave a like due to RS content
What an angel
Early internet stories always have my interest... and now you got runescape in it too, this one was really fascinating
They should bring back beds and make it like minor buffs to xp like how wow has rested exp when you log out a inn
I remember the sleeping bags came out the same day that pickaxes were no longer just "pickaxes" and they finally added bronze - rune pickaxes. At the time all they did was click for you more, they didn't have a chance of gaining ore quicker. Rune giving the most clicks at 12. I also remember fatigue being a lot more lenient before sleeping bags, it would take much longer before you got to 100%. Beds were still useful too even when sleeping bags were out, because it would take less time to get your fatigue back to 0, so if there was a bed nearby you'd just go to one instead of use a sleeping bag. We don't even think about beds in modern runescape, but there's still hundreds of them everywhere. For example, did you even notice the beds they have in the edgeville monastery? :p There's 6 of them. I can name so many other examples. I was a very high level player in Runescape classic, I now play Runescape 3 and a little bit of old school.
I remember the sleepwalker bot. I payed 100k in lobster certificates for the program. Didn't use it a whole bunch because I was worried I would get banned and I never did and that is still my main today.
While I don't know anything about LeoSleep or other OCR captcha bots, I have worked on an OCR system in the past for managing invoices. Your hunch about the choosing the closest match from the dictionary seems perfectly plausible, as that's a common approach.
Lol I remember when the game looked like this I believe I was 10 when I got started in my runescape journey, still here 19 to 20 years later
Same, i don't remember the need to sleep though. Granted, i hot started right as rs2 came out so I never played classic much.
This guy really just called kaitnieks “kinetics”
Haha it’s a dutch name, no wonder that he doesn’t pronounce it right.
If you use wildcard searches, you can find quite a bit of info on theintensity on the Wayback Machine. In the Wayback Machine url, type " * " where the date is and " /* " at the end of the url, and it will show you all files archived on the site. There's a Leosleep section with an archived download of FOCR source code.
Crumb, dude your videos are so unique and interesting. It's this beautiful niche you've found that I didn't know I needed to know all about xD great story teller, good research, great rs content creator ♥
Really brings me back! I was in middle school back then teaching myself to code by writing bots in SCAR and posting on kaitnieks forums.
love the figurines! really cool way to monetize - great videos, thanks!
nice video @Crumb you always seem to have the most reliable information for these kindve topics. I know I'm not alone when I say you are one the best investigators xD
Why do you keep pronouncing his name as kinetics when his name looks nothing like it
Some OSRS content creators don’t know phonetics. FlippingOldSchool has the same problem.
most anglophones never know how to pronounce anything foreign unfortunately
Very thorough history on this early aspect of the game - great video! 😃
I love that you keep calling him kinetics 🤣 really interesting vid
I thought OCR stood for “Optical Character Recognition” not “Optical Content Recognition”?
Awesome content Crumb! Love the details!!
Crumb, you always put a smile on my face pertaining to your content. It makes me relive my younger days. thank you!
Glad you like them! :)
its actually pronounced kite-neaks
Not sure how he got kan-et-iks from Kaitnieks.
@@JustAnotherPandaBear just the human brain trying to make sense of words it doesn’t know
@@JustAnotherPandaBear Americans lmao
Language
@@monkemind420 English, you?
I used one back towards the end of 2003 and after rs2 launch as I kept my original character on RSC. Towards the end, a website was created as well to track how many words you typed with a "highscores" like system. I would always do about 100 words a day, then auto all night as I slept. Some days I would wake up stuck on the sleep screen as not many people were inputting words at the time. I am pretty sure it was a live system meaning someone had to be on doing it for it to work. If they were not, you would wait until someone was online to type in the word.. oh the good days. Best part is they banned my account because I said I botted.. not for the 3 months I was actually botting 20+ hours a day :D
Nostalgic to see the RSC stuff, old player so its nice to see!
Search runescape classic vanilla it’s a nice and solid server 👍
3:17 I used that exact color-detecting AutoMiner bot in early 2004, before the upgrade from RSC to RS2 came a few months later. I set it to mine copper overnight and came back the next morning to find I was permabanned. Jagex really didn't f*ck around back then
Are you still banned now? You can have a different email and IP address
Thankyou SO MUCH for making a nice short advertisement and saying they're 30 seconds. No offence, those figurines look very cool, but I'm not into stuff like that, and I love how I can press my right arrow key 3 times, and be past it. Thankyou. Respect. Might buy one just because.
My brother got banned on classic for autominer, I wanted to use it so bad but he wouldn’t let me because I’d get banned too
RuneScale Classic Vanilla - if you want to play again =)
I noticed that the camera moved ever so slowly, I would have never guessed that it was an anti botting measure!
I always wonder what those 2002 script writers are doing these days, would be so fascinating knowing what they do for a living
@7:17 the way it actually worked is that program came with a folder that had thousands of PNG images of every possible Captcha word. The program would be run in addition to the bot and would detect the screen while you were sleeping, take a screen shot of the sleep word, and matching it to one of the thousands of photos it kept filed. Each one of the images had the correct corresponding word filed as well, so it would just look up that image file, find the match, and attempt to type it. Once in a while it would take 2 or 3 tries. God damn though anyone remember the really popular one that used an Imp for its logo?
You know, including sleeping might actually help to deter bots. If you're reported multiple times in a 24 hour period perhaps requiring them do do something like sleeping mixed with an annoying series of puzzles for an hour before you can get out
Great video! Thanks for uploading!
As a software engineer that started with VB6, that code is not advanced nor is it "clean". Also the flow diagram shown on the forum is about as basic as they come. Botting isn't hard to stop and they were on the right lines with the first RSC implementation. The only downside was that they gave an infinite (or long enough to have someone else complete it remotely) amount of time for the user to enter the captcha. An almost fail proof system would be to use an existing captcha solution such as Googles or CloudFlare's and have the user input invalidate on the server after 20-30 seconds. This would mean that bots would need to have either an army of people smashing captchas out all day long (which would defeat the point in botting) or they would have to sit there and wait for the captcha events themselves.
This should be implemented as a mandatory random event which you have the option of dismissing for 15 minutes, after which, the bot test must be completed regardless of where you are. This lets people who are in combat or in an unsafe place, get to somewhere that is safe before they continue game play. This works similar to the way the 6 hour logout works.
Would it slightly inconvenience players? Yeah once every 1 or two hours for a quick 15 second test. But the benefit is that the market prices would plummet overnight, GP inflation would reduce significantly and world resources would actually be available to use (i.e mining wouldn't have 4 bots contested over a single rock). It would 100% be worth it.
I unfortunately worked with VB6 professionally for just shy of 2 years, this guy wrote the entire virtual mouse controller & implemented unique functions. The code was logical to follow and organized into modules, it was clean. With consideration for the era I was impressed, especially given most of these guys were in their young teens.
I like your idea with captchas
10:54 your mouse hovered over an epic RSN the one and only Clit Rubbin.
Ahh Yes! I Still remember that sound like it was yesterday back in 2002 early in the morning grinding away, well I wasn't my bot was XD
Man ive been playing this game mount an blade. Its freaking awesome. Just sharing my excitement while also helping the algorithm
I appreciate you
Love your videos man you have some super quality content keep it up.
I remember well before ocr we use to use “cold feet” I believe someone on rscn programmed it maybe Kait but I’m not 100% it was essentially a crowd sourced sleeping cheat you’d do it for tickets and then in turn someone would do it for you to gain sleep tickets. This was around the time scar was leading the way in botting. Ocr didn’t come until later around 2004 right around the time rs2 was released
Aside from absolutely decimating the dudes name, solid vid
i've been on a 24 hour smithing grind, thought you made a video about me :)
It's currently 6 am, and I can confirm being a bot sucks.
Enter the LavenderBox!
I will be releasing more OSRS videos soon!
Doesn't OCR stand for Optical CHARACTER Recognition , rather than content? Just a small correction, otherwise the depth of the video content is beyond insane - thank you! Please keep it going! :)
Your figurines are so awesome. You have the MOST unique merch out of everyone. Very very cool
Love RuneScape history videos 🔥💯
This was really interesting but it stopped very abruptly. I guess I'll just assume that LeoSleep v1.0.3 couldn't be improved upon and forced Jagex to admit defeat.
Awesome video was super interesting!
This explains that camera rotation!!!! Holy crap man
Love this content so much. Keep it up!
I remember sleepwalker/fatigue op lol. The worst part with fatigue op was if you were a slow typist or had high latency, it was hard to get credits as other people would beat you to it.
I used to write scripts for RSC/early RS2 for SCAR back when rscheatnet.com existed. I mainly did it for fun to learn coding, but ultimately gave up when my account was banned lol.
I actually managed to dig up an old script I wrote for SCAR that fished lobsters on karamja, and banked or certed them in draynor. I threw it on pastebin ( pastebin.com/UJLmjx4a ) if you want to see what a runescape script from 2003 looked like lol.
If I remember correctly, the OCR software like leosleep (and I think there was one called Furby OCR or something similar) wasn't really a thing until after RS2's release, and at that point Jagex didn't really care about RSC any more.
Please make an old Zanik model for the next figurine you make!
I agree
Will some of your old figurines ever come back in stock? I bought your jad and love it! I want to get Tekton, Muttadile, Olmet, and graardor. I love all of them, awesome quality!
Good video but you could have added the massive flaw that the fatigue system had. When you were 99 fatigue and attacked a monster you would get combat xp but not hp xp because you were to tired. This lead to people botting accounts with 90 atk, def, str but able to have 80hp and since there were no highscores for rsc anymore staking went by health points. Imagine if today on osrs you would be able to stake on an account that has alot higher stats then oponent, but same hp
The history of the little arms race of bot vs anti-bot is very interesting to study.
Bro wtf, your content is fucking top tier! Btw u forgot me on discord. Much love my G!
The website wasn't kenneticz, it's kaitnieks, pronounced "kite-nye-icks". Otherwise bravo this takes me so far back, i been playing rsc since a wee-lad, around 2001.
I still miss the music guys you could sit at to charge your agi too. Love these historic moments of history. Lol
I remember using leosleep just to make typing in the captcha faster I was young and it was a pain in the ass to read the letters I never really botted back then either
God, i remember the fatigue system being introduced. Worst damn mechanic ever introduced. I include limiting trade in that.
7:46
HOW DO WE NOT HAVE THIS SPELL anymore!?
Saradomin Strike? We do?
How come the jad figure has pink spikes? I'm thinking of getting one because i just got the pet, so would there be on option to not have pink spikes?
I actually haven't updated the pictures, been meaning to. If you go in the gallery, the pictures at the bottom show the new spike color :)
thank you Crumb 😉
Can you make a video called "how much can a bot make in a month" and kinda break that down and see the numbers, if you invested your $6 for a month, how much gold could you make and the average amount of real world money you could make in return if you were to sell that gold? Think it would be a cool video idea.
Lol thats called wanting to bot. Stop making yourself so bait. Google is your friend.
@@TheOldWarden Shuttup beech. Solid video idea.
Crazy on how many views of RuneScape classic. They should re open it 👏
good content, its weird hearing 2003/2004 being a long time ago now but i guess it was lol
The quality of those vorkaths unreal guys
Kainetiks is a prodigy software engineer. 👑
when i first played rs back in the day, the sleeping bags were just being removed
I still have some of the early cheats on a couple of cd's that I used back in the day to give to friends. Should be in a box somewhere in my basement.
Get them and send them to him. I have some too, but they're at my parents house.
Might still have some pascal scripts laying around.
I definitely remember using sleepwalker and scar. Would go to bed fishing, wake up, enter a bunch of captchas to earn credits, and go to school, come back and repeat lol.
Always enjoy your content :)
I'm glad to hear! Thanks for the kind words :)
i like that this dude knows about code. im a pen tester myself. i love this stuff
I love runescane history videos!
People also did wood cutting and and lit the logs on fire and got to 97% and then attacked npc's to get defense and strength xp without gaining much hit points xp :) also ppl used dwarven stouts to get their att lowered under 8 and attacked dummies in varrock for no hit points but gained attack xp. Just thought I'd give you a little more input on what some ppl did back then
Runescape making CAPTCHAS before Google lol
Do you have the copyright/license to produce the figurines?
Shhhh...
Did you purchase a license to record and upload videos for UA-cam -stadia
The only one cheating sleep here is MR.nosleep and anyone else who has stayed up for 72hours to no life over the weekend or break xD
Scar was my first introduction to a scripting language. Good fun back in the day. I made my quite a few of my own bots back in the day that just did simple stuff like making bows at a bank or mining and dropping iron ore.
That sleepwalker thing where other ppl answered the questions is fucking ingenious like seriously and to think it was probably like young adults doing this lol
Ok so now apparently I have watched so many vids from different creators on the history of botting/gold farming that an actual GOLD FARMING COMPANY advert played in the middle of this vid lmao
damn this was really interesting, love this content
I used a client that you had to have so much time of typing in answers for people to wake up before it would let you use the client to then cheat yourself was so long ago barely remember it