Whole-Cuts Vs Oxfords | Which Dress Shoe Is More Formal? Balmoral Oxford or Wholecuts
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Which dress shoe is more formal? The Balmoral Oxford or the Wholecut? In today's video, I answer this age-old question. Each shoe has interesting history behind it, each has its place in a man's wardrobe. Which do you wear with a tuxedo? Which is easier to dress down? Which is more expensive to make, and why? For answers to these questions, plus some awesome style tips on upping YOUR shoe game, check out the video. Remember gentlemen, shoes matter. Make sure you're wearing the right one.
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Which dress shoe is more formal? The Balmoral Oxford or the Wholecut? Comment below!
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Real Men Real Style hi Antonio, I do not think there is anything more elegant than a wholecut. Have you heard or tried Carlos santos from Portugal? I have seen their products and are amazing.
See you on the group and the next video.
Real Men Real Style Antonio, please do not confuse Balmorals with Oxfords. The shoes that you showcase are not Balmorals, but just straight Oxfords.
Sir can I wear a single monk strap with a dark and light navy blue suit
Hello Mr. Antonio, I feel that the wholecut would be more business like shoes over the Balmoral Oxford. Thank you for the video.
Interesting. Thanks!
Balmoral for office environment, Wholecut for wedding/funeral/gala dinner.
The Oxford brings the weight of tradition to the table certainly and for that reason, I agree with you. I feel that whole-cut is more of a subtle indicator of personal style and wealth. The whole-cut is not something I would choose for a board meeting or a black tie dinner, but would top my list for social gatherings, weddings or parties.
Yep, a whole cut with painted patina is definitely a flex, like blue suede was in Elvis day
Thanks Antonio! I just love the look of the whole-cut, and it seems to have a unique feel having a single piece of super quality leather wrapped around your foot. Great review as always.....
I find the Wholecut more refined and with it's understated elegance, the more formal of the two types of shoes.
The most formal shoe is the Sandle Boot. It has thousands of years of tradition and can worn with a toga.
I understand that just because of tradition, as you said, the Balmoral is your pick. But I do not believe it will remain that way. The whole cut is much more aesthetically pleasing and by the time we are old men, the whole cut will be the go-to formal shoe.
@@morgancarnes7686 that's highly subjective opinion. I find the Balmoral to be much more aesthetically pleasing, whole cuts are too simple for me.
Whole Cuts look more formal to me... It's just my opinion.
Agreed. I think that's what Antonio was saying too... The Oxford only wins out because it's much older and has traditionally been the most formal dress shoe.
Both fit in to a formal setting. It comes down to a matter of opinion and what looks good on you. Similar to suit style preference. Some like English cut some like Italian cut
I'm a woman and I appreciate your videos. It applies to women more than I expected. Stay sharp
I like the whole cuts better. I think the simplicity gives it the edge of formality over simply the “traditional” element of the Balmoral. Though the reasoning you give, Antonio, is sound. 👍
I definitely agree with you on this one. Much of formality seems to stem from lengthy tradition. Being over 100 years, I feel it would take a long time for the wholecut to possibly be the most formal. Great thoughts as always, sir!
I agree with you RMRS, the Balmoral Oxford is more formal. However, personally prefer wearing Wholecut it's stylish, slick & cool. The Wholecut is me all day & night.
Antonio I disagree and here is why. Historically the oxfords was the perfect business shoe and the most formal shoe to wear during the day. But even 100 years ago wholecuts were a thing you just only saw them in evening attire like white tie and black tie. Not to mention you could always wear a whole cut to a black tie event at any point in history but it has only been in the last 50 or so years that you could even think of wearing a captoe to a black tie event. But even today it is still unacceptable to wear a captoe for a white tie event you can only wear a plain oxford, a whole cut or opera pumps. So since the whole cut can be worn for white tie but the captoe can’t the whole cut is the most formal. But of course you can’t forget that the most formal shoe is the opera pump,
I agree about the opera pump. In fact, though, the lace-up opera pumps, in patent leather, are essentially closed-lace-system (Balmoral, vs Blucher) whole cuts with an all-over polish that would likely hide any imperfections in the leather under that glossy finish. So history is _actually_ on YOUR side, in this case, if you define an opera pump as a glossy version of the whole cut.
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Agreed.
Hello. Am from India. And named Mohammed Ali. Your English is so good and so easy to understand.
Agree. I have appreciation for BOTH. I really like how the whole cut has that clean look and is actually more difficult to make due to having to find the perfect leather. The streamline with them. I would consider the whole cap maybe a BETTER shoe but definitely the Balmoral is the dressier. The breaking up and the lines around it act much like medals on a military dress uniform. It highlights.
That is the spot on difference between scotch and single malt :)
I do wear capped toes but I'd prefer wholecut over Balmoral anyday.
I think I prefer the Wholecut 😎 the simplicity is gorgeous
thanks antonio,
before watching this video i think balmoral is more formal but i prefer the wholecut.
I agree Mr.Antonio.
I would go with both balmorals and wholecuts: the balmoral for a more traditional, conservative look; and the wholecut to add a contemporary flare (especially with a suit).
I think, that the wholecut could also be worn with more casual combinations, because it is simplistic and modern.
I agree as well nice job
My understanding is that the cap toe is a business shoe for the day, and the whole cut is a slight bit more formal for evening wear and such. At least that is what I have learned over the years.
When i wear tuxedo always going with Black wholecut. If i wanna wear a twobutton suit i go with Black oxford. Great video Antonio as always
I don't like toe cap shoes so I'm going with the wholecut and when I wear mine I always get great feedback.
I really learned a lot in this video I had no idea about the various names to mens shoes. Thank you.
Gone - You are welcome.
A well polished shoe..either of the reference shoes will be a win win.. both have a good look either way ..nice video sir!
The whole cut is more ostentatious. The cap-toe says ‘I mean business’.
The wholecut in my opinion can work with black or white tie as well as the office. Whereas the cap toe is best for business.
I’m interested finding a black pair of used, well cared-for wholecuts. I have never cared for the captoe. It has always looked a bit like a frankenshoe to me, like a compromise of some sort. I have no need to wear a strictly conventional dress shoe for business. For my work I have three pairs of wingtips, and a pair of saddleshoes. I want the black wholecuts for shows (I’m a musician in a jazz big band), funerals, weddings, and more formal dates. And I always prefer a “less is more” look in builds and designs.
I agree. Wholecuts draws more attention and are for that reason more casual.
A wholecut is more formal because it has fewer seams. A cap toe is more traditional and can be worn in a larger variety of settings
Another nice and informative video. Thanks. You deserve more subs and viewers!
I have a pair of whole-cut dress boots. They are just like oxfords but with the ankle. Pretty unusual but I think you'd like them
That's for ANOTHER video.
You are wrong about the more dressy, hands down it’s the whole cut, then the Ox! Haha, thanks for the fashion tips. You are invaluable as a style resource!! Keep it coming!
Very informative. Thanks Antonio!
Antonio, great vid...even the most stylish among us can get caught up in this topic. My thoughts are as such:
With lace-up shoes, less stitching = more formal
With slip-ops, more structured = more formal
Whole cut > plain toe > cap toe > derby > penny loafer > tassel/horse bit loafer > driver > boat shoe > moccasin > barefoot and homeless.
Monks throw a bit of a wrench in the works, as they can be very formal or casual. Generally, I’d say more formal than a Derby.
As with all, the more brogueing, the less formal.
It really is a philosophical question
Recently I’ve taken more casual steps in my attire and I’ve seen some brands make their whole cuts look extremely casual with tumbled leather, also I think dark brown balmore oxfords go well with dark blue jeans
I think it’s more personal decision and taste. Both are elegant.
I want to see Boots some casual and formal ones.
I thought I filmed it already? Here you go: www.realmenrealstyle.com/match-dress-shoes-formal-casual/
Real Men Real Style awesome thanks
I see where you are coming from on your decision. ...I simple thought of what shoe would look worse with dark blue casual jeans. The answer Balmoral.
Your content is very legit. Very appreciate it !
Thank you sir!
I love brown captoe oxford with quarter brogue.
As always, a higly educational and interesting video. It seems like you have integrated my idea of switching up backgrounds - that's great!
Dear Mr. Centeno,
The main reason of my argument is the "broke".
The more "broke" a pair of shoes has the less formal it is...this is the way we rank formality of dress shoes. So the the whole cut in my opinion which had least additional line or "no broke" on the "body" should be the most formal shoes.
This is my point.
But I do respect your opinion based on the period of time the cap toed Oxford exists.
Ps. I am a big fan of you from Thailand.
Totally agree I love the oxfords 👞
Beautifully explained..
3 days ago I had a dream about you buying a pair of shoes from the store I work in. A little creepy but If you ever happen to be in the Netherlands some day, give us a visit!
prefer the wholecut
NB:However it is good to have them all. :D
I love the look of the whole cut, but you are right with the Oxford being more formal because that's been the go to for a long time
Exactly.
True, remember that the formal suits of today were once the outfit of the commoner.
WOW. I am surprise with your verdict. Great choices but I say the wholecuts for the reasons as you said.
I agree with you RMRS
Agree!!
The whole cut is a better shoe, because of it's simplicity and it is unblemished by stitching and it's pleasant to the eyes..
I don’t disagree but if I were to pick one I would pick the wholecut just personal preference. Thank you again for the advice and i am still waiting for an episode on kilts it’s been well over a year where is it.
To me, they are about the same in formality, but if you want to stand out, I think going for wholecut is a better go.
Agree fully. Thanks for your excellent videos.
Comparison videos, what shade of brown is most versatile and more formal or causal? Also most formal loafer to most causal loafer? Also comparing all of your dress shoes sponsors as a non sponsored video and same with boots. Those are my ideas.
I love Oxford shoes
Your conclusion demonstrates a slight inconsistency in the rational you used to define the difference between more formal and more casual shoes.
You were consistent in stating that broguing or an open lacing system automatically decline a shoe from formality. Since broguing and lacing systems are specifically types of cuts to the continuity of the leather it makes sense that you are saying that "the more you cut the leather the less formal it is"
Which then necessitates that a shoe with minimal cutting (a whole cut) is going to be the pinnacle of "formality" using your own rubric taken to consistent application.
That's the logical answer.
Another possible variation in the range from formal to casual is the shoes color....I would assert that a flaming red wholecut is way less formal than a black oxford or even derby with broguing. So its important to factor in color as a modulating factor independent of the cut of the shoe. That said the standard colors (black, brown, sienna, burgondie ) are sufficiently muted that I would put a whole cut with either of those colors above ANY style or color of shoe that is not a whole cut....its only when BOLD color territory is crossed that a whole cut would descend possibly below say a clean unbrogued balmoral oxford, or wingtip or derby etc. The main variable criteria here is that "formality" is defined within the social context of where one will wear the shoes....if the environments in which the shoe can be worn with a minimal amount of "peacocking" happening inadvertently or not then it descends from formality as a hallmark of formal events is not peacocking but rather conformity....hence why the standard colors on a whole cut still put them above any other cut but BOLD colors on them do not.
The WHOLE CUT in it's simplistic makes it IMO the dressiest shoe.
I agree. Tradition gives the balmoral oxford the edge.
Possible to use whole cut ( light brown ) with casual business outfit ? Even some dark jeans ? I love them
I like your video but wholecut is my fevrate
I like the book background!! The books help the info video. Keep it up!
Finally, someone noticed :)
In the vein that less is more I will have to go with the whole cook being the most formal. The cap toe has that and the vamp marker. Whereas a whole cut has nothing at all.
Good video and amazing library Antonio 👌👌
I think whole cuts are on the same level as cap toes. It’s not there to supplant it but both should be acceptable at the same level of formality. I’d like to have a little more variety on each level of formality.
Can you please share your opinions about shoes for jeans and what to check in before buying.
Nice collection of books over there Antonio.
This has been a very informative video. Thanks, Antonio.
A while ago I had surgery on my leg and had to start wearing velcro "dress" shoes. (Gasp, groan.) I hope someday to get back to lacing up my black Balmoral Oxfords. You can't beat those for formal dress shoes. I've also got some mid-brown Wing Tips which I really like. And I have a pair Oxblood (or is it Burgundy?) Wholecuts which I thoroughly enjoy, but which are a bit less formal, meaning I haven't worn them as often. With those three I really don't need anything else (except for sports shoes). Someday I'd like a pair of Monk Straps, but there lots of things I need before those.
Semper fi, Captain!
Oxford all day
Thanks .always we beleave you for ever
I've seen a wholecut shoes last week in a mall and love at first sight but never knew what it's called until today.
Mr. Centeno, will the Whole Cut work for a tuxedo? great channel and info... blessings 🙏🏻
Where would Allen Edmonds whole cut Fairfax in black stand as far as versatility ? Jeans?business casual ? Wedding? It is also a semi-brogue-ish
I like both, but I think the whole cut is dressier and more modern. They work well with a slim fit modern suit
Wholecuts are all I wear for suits
plain toe derby vs semi brogue Oxford or semi brogue derby vs wingtip Oxford.
I like wholecut with a casual look.
Balmoral Oxford. But it's only because of perception which could change over time.
Very informative.
Thanks Sir
Antonio my brother, where do you get those awesome sport coats from. They are always on point! Love your videos.
I love brown shoes and boots
Totally Agree!!!
The whole cuts look like the shoes that new wave band members used to wear forty years ago. I like our hosts choice.
More videos like this please! That's weht I'm looking for, not another tutorial on what makes a Great suit.
Is do get your point about history, but respectfully i find the wholecut to be more formal indeed deu to it's simplicity and elegance
Excuus my english, i'm dutch
Wholecut for me.
I like captoe but if I could buy only one dress shoe whole cut will always be my choice
Leaving the historical background aside, to me whole cut shoes are more formal and elegant than oxford shoes.
@@louiscyfer6944 lol
Thank you for your video, I always look forward to your insights however you have this one incorrect. None are the most formal in my opinion, there are so many contenders to the crown, eg Church's Westbury shoes, worn by James bond, heads of states etc. Carmina 187 comes in various types of leather which is also beautiful. Moreschi shoes are beautiful as well. It would be better to dress up wearing the pair of shoes you are show casing giving your viewers an idea as to why you think the toe cap or whole cut is better. Seeing the shoes in your hands does not do justice to your choice. I collect shoes and have been collecting for 35 years. I think a toe cap shoes is over rated in my opinion.
Make me a gentlemen, you should do a give away on those beautiful shoes!!!
I think the whole cut is like a turtleneck and the cap toe is like a dress shirt. The turtleneck is less formal but still looks really nice and can have a certain element of style. The cap toe is more traditional and looks more formal. Thats my two cents.
Good stuff!!
Also can you do a video with oneblade vs Dollar shave club please?
Antonio, Where is your Sport jacket from ? Looks amazing.
Two thumbs up!!!
What about boots to use with a business dress.
I agree but also concede to personal preference. Not that big of a difference in formality. The creases in the wholecut become more noticeable than in a cap toe making it a bit less crisp and formal than a wholecut......IMHO. .
Whole cuts made from shell cordovan leather...are the ultimate. Very costly, but worth it!