When he elbowed nordique player in the head while nordique player on his knees, doesn't get much worse. All these elbows were intent to injure, he went right to the head on every single one of these. Forgot how dirty he was. Lost a lot of respect for him.
I’m a huge Oiler fan and hated Messier! I even liked Tikkenen more than messier. Messier was just as good using his stick like his elbows. But face to face he was one of the biggest cowards ever to play. Tough guy my azz!!!
Yeah, what's a long time ?? after that hit, I believe he was NEVER the same (understandably), but check the timeline and see how.long he was out...all good 👍
The only thing that saved him from killing someone on most of those elbows is the pads were foam and completely different than the hard plastic stones they all have on now. Accidental elbows do more damage now as a result. If Mess had today's equipment on for a lot of these, he'd legit have killed someone. Great player, nonetheless - can't deny that.
People put too much stock in the Fontinato fight. In truth, Howe didn’t fight very often. His fearsome reputation owes more to his tough hitting and also viciously dirty stick work and elbows.
@@freedy1696 You're kind of right. They all did it and got away with it back then and you were aloud to check to the head. If the ref didn't see it the league wouldn't say anything. It's not the same today in my opinion.
I'm glad this behaviour is finally shown, he was an extremely brutal player who shoulda got fined on every elbow, take the cups away, this was horrible.
You wouldn’t believe if even if you witnessed it yourself but this whole video was gut wrenching seams busting laughter. Messier was such a fucking goon who could score occasionally. The guy was better suited for the wrestling ring. Can’t believe Ziegler didn’t make a rule change. This shit was beyond dirty.
On of hockey’s greatest captains with an appetite to win, score and whatever it took to win period. Hockey now is much more tame. He was the ultimate all round player.
It took garbage cities like New York to love that guy, one of the worst dirty players ever, worse than Claude Lemieux. Best part is when someone came over to make him settle up for his disgrace his gloves were glued on. NYR had to bring in Domi, Kypreos, and Kocur to protect him.
@@danski6694 so? They got rid of both and got Kypreos in their place, trades don't disprove the fact that there was always a goon to clean up after Messier elbowed, swung a stick, chopped, or hit someone from behind. Dude was gutless.
Gloves glued on? He had over 60 fights in his career. For a guy that's number 3 all time in points, that's a crazy number of fights. Also, some of these cheap shots were retaliation. That's the way it was back then
@@rsingh8837 Shanahan fought 90 times and had 3 cups, hell Keith Tkachuk fought more than him and was a 50 goal scorer, lets not pad his points if it weren't for being an Oiler when Wayne was around you could take a third off that final points total. That's like saying Adam Oats would have had as many points if he never played with Hull. As for retaliation, you proved my point, drop the gloves don't be a gutless punk who cheap shots with elbows, Mess was that elbowing punk.
@@Arifraser373 Yes. Ovechkin is what's called a "shooter". He has very little game other than having a wicked shot. Brett Hull was the same. Shooters score a lot of goals by finding some open ice and waiting for a pass. They have fewer assists than goals. They contribute nothing on the defensive end and, therefore, don't have a great plus-minus considering how many goals they score. They contribute almost as many goals for the other team as they do for their own. Shooters are very good on the power play.....you put them on their off-hand and they can wait for a one-timer. Shooters are a liability at even strength; that is, hopefully, made up for by their propensity to score. Shooters can be shut down during the playoffs simply by close checking because they are one dimensional. Ovechkin 822 career goals.........plus 67? 663 assists? Brett Hull 741 goals........plus 23? 650 assists? These guys were so bad in the neutral and defensive zones that they had to be moved from center to wing. Wingers have fewer defensive responsibilities than centers. Mark Messier was a complete player. He scored, he assisted, he checked, he elbowed, he played on the power play, he played on the penalty kill. Notice you don't see Ovechkin on the ice very much when the Capitals are up by a goal with 2 minutes to play. Mark Messier.....694 goals........plus 211......1193 assists. Mark Messier is substantially "better" than Ovechkin. Ovechkin is substantially "better" than Brett Hull, though. If you want to talk about Russians......Pavel Datsyuk and Sergei Federov were both better than Ovechkin. Ovechkin is a shooter and nothing else.
@prun8893 oldheads when they see a gritty second line centre with a good plus minus 👍 oldheads when they see the greatest scorer of all time (he plays in a league that has parity instead of on one of the greatest dynasties of all time)
Sorry bud, he was way worse even for the era, it was rougher back then but there are absolute beasts of clean hitters who didn't have his PIM's take Brad McCrimmon. Messier was an undisciplined oaf, probably why he was called the "dumb moose" even by fans in Edmonton.
no one ever called him dirty in canada bc canada licked his rear end. Ask other teams if he was dirty. Yes back in those days Refs let a lot go but trust me when they wanted to they called many ticky tack penalties. Rarely on the oilers though. Enforcer my ass. I don’t remember him ever dropping the gloves bc he was a chicken. Players like Neely played that style with honor.
Wtf are you talking about? Messier had 62 fights over the course of his career. If you don’t remember him ever dropping the gloves, then you clearly weren’t watching much hockey back in the day.
@@canadablake how many of them were just scrums, dropping the gloves when the refs were already separating them and against little guys. Yes all hockey players fight but for a guy who was as dirty as he was you’d think he would have had a lot of fights.
@@thetruthhurts6652 you’ve basically said the same thing twice now. They don’t hand out fighting majors for roughing. Fighting majors and reserved for, um, fights. We get it. You’re still sad because the Oilers embarrassed Boston twice to win the cup (8-1 over two series. Ouch…). That was a long time ago. Let it go.
@@canadablake haha seriously who cares about that. I actually liked the Rangers even when messier played with them. Pls don’t brag about the oilers. They’ve done squat since they inherited a dynasty over 40 years ago.
@@thetruthhurts6652 that’s funny coming from a guy that likes a team that didn’t do squat for 53 years until Messier showed up. And if I was going to brag about a team, it wouldn’t be the Oilers. I’m not an Oilers fan.
Without Gretz, Messy would've never amounted to anything other than a 3RD line goon, PERIOD. His motto "Betcha I can cheap shot ya more than once, and get away with it." The only C that OVERATED player deserved was on his report cards, PERIOD!
The Greatest all around hockey player ever - #2 behind only Gretzky in points, and he was his own enforcer. Hockey players were all tough, protect yourself at all times. That monster hit on Modano shouldn't have happened because he should have seen Mess coming. He put his head down and paid dearly. That was the rule in those days, players were taught keep head up at all times. Today players see a guy coming and put his back to them to draw a boarding penalty. That would happen once in your career in the 80s, and you'd be lucky to walk again.
@@mr.devil9577 We're arguing about words. No one called him dirty at the time. He was universally respected by all players his entire career. As opposed to someone like Claude Lemieux who was universally despised as a dirty player. Mess was seen as tough, aggressive, highly skilled. Elbows weren't considered dirty. High sticks, boarding, slew foot, knee-on-knee hits, those were dirty and Mess NEVER did any of that. Elbows were how he and a lot of players made space for themselves and retaliated for dirty plays against. You can't look back in hindsight and declare him "dirty" bc the game is so soft now.
@@colatrl.damg3167 That’s a terrible argument. Can’t call him dirty in hindsight because he was respected at the time? By that logic surely there were some super wealthy plantation owners 200 years ago who treated their slaves like shit; but hey so long as they were respected at the time we can’t be too pissed right?
Are you kidding? Plenty of commentators and fellow players called Messier dirty. He was a vicious cheap shot artist. I’ve seen him cross check a player from behind who was just starting to get up after getting cross checked to the head. Messier was disgusting.
Today's hockey fans have to understand that hockey was a vicious sport. It's not a vicious sport anymore, but it USED to be. You can't apply today's stadnards of morality to what used to be.
I remain not a fan of Messier . Very talented, yes. But a vicious, dirty player. Who got away with far too much.A tainted hall of famer in my books . I would put him in the same goon ranking as Scott Stevens.
Disgusting cheap shot artist.. ughh. That hit he gave with his stick to a the guy who was on his knees getting up was.. I have no words. He should have been suspended for the entire season. To say that was a cheap shot is being kind. Messier was an asshole.
Mark Messier serving up elbows as an in-game meal program. What a humanitarian.
Mark was one of the dirtiest players I ever watched I saw him play in 1988 or 86 live and he was good at it behind the play many times. Mean as hell
Who’s here from the espn broadcast
When he elbowed nordique player in the head while nordique player on his knees, doesn't get much worse. All these elbows were intent to injure, he went right to the head on every single one of these. Forgot how dirty he was. Lost a lot of respect for him.
I’m a huge Oiler fan and hated Messier! I even liked Tikkenen more than messier. Messier was just as good using his stick like his elbows. But face to face he was one of the biggest cowards ever to play. Tough guy my azz!!!
I don’t know why this guy isn’t talked about as a dirty player
most intelligent and unbiased hockey fans know that he was one of the dirtiest players in league history.
Because he scored a lot of points too.
Steve Levy brought me here on 3/14/23. Made a comment about this video during the Rangers/Caps game on ESPN when he co-commentated w/ Mark Messier.
Me too..die hard Mess and NYR ...But most of them were hard to watch...that's the hit the ended Modanos career prematurely I believe 😔
@@johnconway1745 Mike Modano played a looooong time after this hit. Won a Cup, too.
Yeah, what's a long time ?? after that hit, I believe he was NEVER the same (understandably), but check the timeline and see how.long he was out...all good 👍
One of the dirtiest players ever. With absolutely no need to play that way.
You can say the same thing about Gordie Howe!
Most of these are borderline assault. You can’t tell me shit like this was normal even at the time.
The UA-cam algorithms have failed this soccer mom...
That's hockey and we were all ok with it
Nah that's some poor spotsmanship dirty bullshit
Soft ass little boy. Don’t watch this sport understand?
The only thing that saved him from killing someone on most of those elbows is the pads were foam and completely different than the hard plastic stones they all have on now. Accidental elbows do more damage now as a result. If Mess had today's equipment on for a lot of these, he'd legit have killed someone. Great player, nonetheless - can't deny that.
anyone else Here because the announcer from Washington Rangers game lmao
now these are some spicy buffalo wings
sickening.
AWESOME VIDEO, I LAUGHED THE WHOLE TIME... TOO FUNNY
Ole time hockey!!
Love it
Thanks for posting !!!!
Catches him with “maybe “ a little elbow to the head ! Lol wow what a goon messsier was .
Messier looked at PK Subban with disgust when PK said that the Trouba "elbow" to the back of the shoulder was a 5 min major lol
It was an elbow and it got Rodrigues in the jaw
Guy throws more elbows than Karl Malone
A touch of contact
Difference is Gordie Howe backed it up by dropping the gloves. This weasel had his gloves tied to his wrists.
I guarantee you that Mark Messier had more fights than Gordie Howe in his career. You're so wrong on this one.
People put too much stock in the Fontinato fight. In truth, Howe didn’t fight very often. His fearsome reputation owes more to his tough hitting and also viciously dirty stick work and elbows.
The difference is Messier was a better player than Howe!
@@seveglider8406jokes
He’s dirty
It wasn't dirty back then. They all did it. He was just good at it.
@@dougo9135 yeah
@@dougo9135 it was literally always dirty 🤣 Messier was known as a dirty player back then and elbowing has ALWAYS been a penalty
@@freedy1696 You're kind of right. They all did it and got away with it back then and you were aloud to check to the head. If the ref didn't see it the league wouldn't say anything. It's not the same today in my opinion.
@@dougo9135 shame the league is trying to protect its players.
Made Gordie Howe proud.
Great player but as dirty as it gets. Was nice seeing McSorley pummel him in the late 90's.
McSorely didn't pummel anyone. Messier held his own against the dope with an illegal stick despite not being a fighter.
Is that fight on UA-cam?
He didn't pummel him. It was a draw and Messier broke McSorley's helmet with his punch.
He's a mean guy folks
I'm glad this behaviour is finally shown, he was an extremely brutal player who shoulda got fined on every elbow, take the cups away, this was horrible.
Hahaha, yes let’s retroactively unaward all his cups.
Messier was a dirty player, screw that guy
steve levy brought me here
No wonder he loves Trouba
You wouldn’t believe if even if you witnessed it yourself but this whole video was gut wrenching seams busting laughter. Messier was such a fucking goon who could score occasionally. The guy was better suited for the wrestling ring. Can’t believe Ziegler didn’t make a rule change. This shit was beyond dirty.
Mess played dirty. But “score occasionally?” Guy scored 694 goals & 1887 pts. Don’t let your emotions make you say stupid things.
Score occasionally? He has the third highest points in NHL history.
Congratulations. You have earned the dumbest, most clueless comment on the internet. And I've read some doozys
no rule changes were necessary. The hits shown have been illegal since the league formed.
What a big Messtake!
these are insanely dirty elbows my lord lol
Elbows and Goals
On of hockey’s greatest captains with an appetite to win, score and whatever it took to win period. Hockey now is much more tame. He was the ultimate all round player.
Yea but these are uncalled for and had little to do with winning. And he hardly ever fought when they tried to hold him accountable.
3:13
smelling salts - yes
concussion protocol- no
It took garbage cities like New York to love that guy, one of the worst dirty players ever, worse than Claude Lemieux. Best part is when someone came over to make him settle up for his disgrace his gloves were glued on. NYR had to bring in Domi, Kypreos, and Kocur to protect him.
Rangers had Domi and Kocur before Messier arrived
@@danski6694 so? They got rid of both and got Kypreos in their place, trades don't disprove the fact that there was always a goon to clean up after Messier elbowed, swung a stick, chopped, or hit someone from behind. Dude was gutless.
@@roundthirteen Hockey was more fun that way
Gloves glued on? He had over 60 fights in his career. For a guy that's number 3 all time in points, that's a crazy number of fights. Also, some of these cheap shots were retaliation. That's the way it was back then
@@rsingh8837 Shanahan fought 90 times and had 3 cups, hell Keith Tkachuk fought more than him and was a 50 goal scorer, lets not pad his points if it weren't for being an Oiler when Wayne was around you could take a third off that final points total. That's like saying Adam Oats would have had as many points if he never played with Hull. As for retaliation, you proved my point, drop the gloves don't be a gutless punk who cheap shots with elbows, Mess was that elbowing punk.
Toughness
Mark was dirty. But still Top 10 Player of All Time. Orr, Gretzky, Howe, Messier, Dryden, Lemieux, Lindsay, Roy, Crosby, Ovechkin.
Ha there are at least 30 better players active right now grandpa what are you talking about
Dryden, Lindsay, and Ovechkin? Have you just started watching hockey?
@@prun8893 are you saying ovechkin isn't better than messier???
@@Arifraser373 Yes. Ovechkin is what's called a "shooter". He has very little game other than having a wicked shot. Brett Hull was the same.
Shooters score a lot of goals by finding some open ice and waiting for a pass. They have fewer assists than goals. They contribute nothing on the defensive end and, therefore, don't have a great plus-minus considering how many goals they score. They contribute almost as many goals for the other team as they do for their own.
Shooters are very good on the power play.....you put them on their off-hand and they can wait for a one-timer.
Shooters are a liability at even strength; that is, hopefully, made up for by their propensity to score.
Shooters can be shut down during the playoffs simply by close checking because they are one dimensional.
Ovechkin 822 career goals.........plus 67? 663 assists?
Brett Hull 741 goals........plus 23? 650 assists?
These guys were so bad in the neutral and defensive zones that they had to be moved from center to wing. Wingers have fewer defensive responsibilities than centers.
Mark Messier was a complete player. He scored, he assisted, he checked, he elbowed, he played on the power play, he played on the penalty kill.
Notice you don't see Ovechkin on the ice very much when the Capitals are up by a goal with 2 minutes to play.
Mark Messier.....694 goals........plus 211......1193 assists.
Mark Messier is substantially "better" than Ovechkin. Ovechkin is substantially "better" than Brett Hull, though.
If you want to talk about Russians......Pavel Datsyuk and Sergei Federov were both better than Ovechkin.
Ovechkin is a shooter and nothing else.
@prun8893
oldheads when they see a gritty second line centre with a good plus minus 👍
oldheads when they see the greatest scorer of all time (he plays in a league that has parity instead of on one of the greatest dynasties of all time)
Steve levy
Stun malade!
Yes this video is all Messier but back when these games were played elbowing, boarding, and other shenanigans were committed all the time.
Sorry bud, he was way worse even for the era, it was rougher back then but there are absolute beasts of clean hitters who didn't have his PIM's take Brad McCrimmon. Messier was an undisciplined oaf, probably why he was called the "dumb moose" even by fans in Edmonton.
I wish this video was more specific in terms of content
Yes, the old nhl. Back when the penalties were PENALTIES
Moose was a frigging beast.
one of the dirtiest players in NHL history.
Tie dirtiest hockey player off all times
Ruthless
no one ever called him dirty in canada bc canada licked his rear end. Ask other teams if he was dirty. Yes back in those days Refs let a lot go but trust me when they wanted to they called many ticky tack penalties. Rarely on the oilers though. Enforcer my ass. I don’t remember him ever dropping the gloves bc he was a chicken. Players like Neely played that style with honor.
Wtf are you talking about? Messier had 62 fights over the course of his career. If you don’t remember him ever dropping the gloves, then you clearly weren’t watching much hockey back in the day.
@@canadablake how many of them were just scrums, dropping the gloves when the refs were already separating them and against little guys. Yes all hockey players fight but for a guy who was as dirty as he was you’d think he would have had a lot of fights.
@@thetruthhurts6652 you’ve basically said the same thing twice now. They don’t hand out fighting majors for roughing. Fighting majors and reserved for, um, fights. We get it. You’re still sad because the Oilers embarrassed Boston twice to win the cup (8-1 over two series. Ouch…). That was a long time ago. Let it go.
@@canadablake haha seriously who cares about that. I actually liked the Rangers even when messier played with them. Pls don’t brag about the oilers. They’ve done squat since they inherited a dynasty over 40 years ago.
@@thetruthhurts6652 that’s funny coming from a guy that likes a team that didn’t do squat for 53 years until Messier showed up. And if I was going to brag about a team, it wouldn’t be the Oilers. I’m not an Oilers fan.
Without Gretz, Messy would've never amounted to anything other than a 3RD line goon, PERIOD. His motto "Betcha I can cheap shot ya more than once, and get away with it." The only C that OVERATED player deserved was on his report cards, PERIOD!
The Modano one was the best 😂
I urge all to watch that in its entirety - they DROPPED Modano off the stretcher he was on!! Lmao!!
Hilarious! Idiot.
You need some serious help.
@@davids.nelson9809 why? Did you see that?
A little elbow in the head lol
Messier eats people
He’s like Gordie Howe.
Messier is better!
Where are all the people saying Marchand antics wouldn’t be abided in the good ol days? Messier the dirty scum would be suspended for years tiday
Messier was the king of FAFO🤜🤛
What is FAFO?
The Greatest all around hockey player ever - #2 behind only Gretzky in points, and he was his own enforcer. Hockey players were all tough, protect yourself at all times. That monster hit on Modano shouldn't have happened because he should have seen Mess coming. He put his head down and paid dearly. That was the rule in those days, players were taught keep head up at all times. Today players see a guy coming and put his back to them to draw a boarding penalty. That would happen once in your career in the 80s, and you'd be lucky to walk again.
Bro he was the dirtiest player in history. He was insanely dirty even for his time
@@mr.devil9577 We're arguing about words. No one called him dirty at the time. He was universally respected by all players his entire career. As opposed to someone like Claude Lemieux who was universally despised as a dirty player. Mess was seen as tough, aggressive, highly skilled. Elbows weren't considered dirty. High sticks, boarding, slew foot, knee-on-knee hits, those were dirty and Mess NEVER did any of that. Elbows were how he and a lot of players made space for themselves and retaliated for dirty plays against. You can't look back in hindsight and declare him "dirty" bc the game is so soft now.
Dirtiest most disrespectful player ever!
@@colatrl.damg3167 That’s a terrible argument. Can’t call him dirty in hindsight because he was respected at the time? By that logic surely there were some super wealthy plantation owners 200 years ago who treated their slaves like shit; but hey so long as they were respected at the time we can’t be too pissed right?
Are you kidding? Plenty of commentators and fellow players called Messier dirty. He was a vicious cheap shot artist. I’ve seen him cross check a player from behind who was just starting to get up after getting cross checked to the head. Messier was disgusting.
Today's hockey fans have to understand that hockey was a vicious sport. It's not a vicious sport anymore, but it USED to be. You can't apply today's stadnards of morality to what used to be.
Still is a vicious sport, definitely not as vicious today though
Give me a break, ‘intent to injure’ is and has always been scummy; regardless of the era of any team sport
every single one of the hits on this clip have been illegal since the league began.
I remain not a fan of Messier . Very talented, yes. But a vicious, dirty player. Who got away with far too much.A tainted hall of famer in my books . I would put him in the same goon ranking as Scott Stevens.
Messier was dirty no doubt, but I bet Jocelyn Lemieux amd Paul Gillis ( 2 forgotten cheap shot wise guys) had it coming
Disgusting cheap shot artist.. ughh. That hit he gave with his stick to a the guy who was on his knees getting up was.. I have no words. He should have been suspended for the entire season. To say that was a cheap shot is being kind. Messier was an asshole.
Why taint all that talent with needless cheap-shots?...It's still disgraceful though...
Best player ever. Add PIM to points