Why does The 14th Doctor have the SAME FACE as The 10th Doctor?
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One element that seems to be overlooked is Eleven's (Matt Smith) revelation in The Time of the Doctor is that Ten actually regenerated (or partially regenerated) during the events of the Stolen Earth/Journey's End story arc. Eleven says that this was a regeneration with regards to the 12-regeneration cycle limitation - meaning Ten kept the same face when he became the real Eleventh Doctor (or 12th Doctor if you count the War Doctor). So, in effect Tennant's Doctor has a habit of keeping the same face. He has played the 10th Doctor; 11th Doctor and the meta crisis Doctor and now the 14th Doctor.
He's the doctor who keeps on comming back. That would be a great idea for a story.
Surely there must be something unique about this reincarnation.🥂Happy new year!
What's your point?
So he's the 15th
@@joshuaking2171 no he’s technically 16 or 17. I don’t know what the numbering is anymore.
I don't think any of what you said is overlooked, it's just matter of fact.
The Doctor is often confused when they regenerate. They got to figure out all over who they are all over again. Regeneration can be traumatic, forced regeneration even worse, and a hijacked regeneration by the Master would scar the Doctor. I think the Doctor would hold to something familiar reverting back to an old face and who better than a face that didn't want to go.
I haven't watched any of Doctor 13 lore but I do like this theory.
"I don't want to go"
Well, The Curator(A future reincarnation of The Doctor using a past face
Maybe that’s where the toy maker comes in.
@@robertfergusson5367 yea possibly hinting at future reappearances of old doctors
Edward Vey well when the doctor regenerates his body "resets" itself not just physically changes that's why he doesn't remember anything after he changes because his brain has refreshed itself its like resetting a Computer and having to regain all your progress on that Computer
I really like the “confused regeneration” explanation, timelords (or lady’s in this case I guess) aren’t supposed to regenerate this much in such a short amount of time. so I like to think that although it seemed okay from the outside, maybe the doctor’s body was struggling to create a brand new body so had to resort to using a familiar one to make the process easier. And what better body to use than the one that’s been regenerated into twice? I also want to think that the shot of 15 talking in the trailers is him on the edge talking to past incarnations discussing why he is there.
99% all this is bs and I’m talking trash but I’d really want to see 15 alongside other doctors
My personal theory is that this regeneration is similar to 12, a regeneration the Doctor subconsciously chose to remind himself of something. See, 11 and 12 both had in common that they went too far by fear of losing their companion (demons run, hellbent) and 13 had this weird relationship with her companions where she never really took the leadership role and treated her friends as absolute equals, except for the end of series 12. My theory is that she regenerated back into 10 as a reminder that despite the hurt, he has to let go and to not become this Time Lord Victorious and that when he let his companions grow too close to becoming like him or too close to him, bad things happen to them, like with Donna and Rose why
it'd make sense that the default for a 'easy/stored' regeneration would be one it'd regenarted into twice and a hand.
I definitely believe that 15 is on the edge.
I think that partly makes sense. But also I think 10s last moments going “I don’t want to go” might also have something to do with it. Basically this regeneration has unfinished business. Coupled with how the doctor seems to have an affinity for this particular body.
@@MissCaraMint It would be brilliant if the 60th itself conveyed the message that Doctor Who is more than just David Tennant.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE REASON ,I AM BEYOND ECSTATIC THAT DAVID TENNANT IS BACK,I JUST LOVE HIM!
And as a renter I can tell you after a "Tennant" moves on It's very very rare that they get a chance to return!
That’s the issue with nostalgia baiting
@@jimtheperson.4999he has played the doctor before he is beloved so he knows how to do it right he wants to do it he will give care this gives me hope
It have been strongly implied that the Doctor can influence the appearance of the Regeneration on a Subconscious Level, infact that's the in lore reason why the 12th Doctor is played by the same actor as someone the Docter met in a previous story, like they didn't need to address that but it's interesting that they did and can open up some possibilities for the future.
Maybe the return of David Tennant is just as simple as that
not only that but the fact that tennant is the one who met the face of capaldis doctor in fires of pompeii
Not the first time either. The fifth doctor had an episode on gallifrey where he was shot by a time lord security officer (captain maxwell I believe his name was) who would go on to play the sixth doctor. Colin Baker would occasionally joke that be shot the doctor and took his job
@@WNShadow814 This was never formally acknowledged in the show though - not by the Doctor when admiring his new appearance nor by the Time Lords. Rules of regeneration in classic who *seem* to be that you can choose your appearance if you regenerate by choice, but if you are dying then it's basically random ("That's the problem with regeneration - you never know what you're going to get" - 5th Doctor).
@@TheBlackSeraph true, and romana was able to choose her shape and picked princess Astras body from the Armageddon factor because she liked the look of it. But then she also went through three other bodies as well changing her shape at will before settling on romana 2s body in destiny of the daleks. Then again she was academically anyway far more gifted than the doctor so had probably researched how to influence her shapes
@@WNShadow814 I don't think it's an issue of academic brilliance, because at least one Time Lord in Gallifrey (Borusa?) talks about regenerating because he thought it was time for a change.
If anyone deserves to revisit the role it is David Tennant. The man is fantastic in the role and even if this is only temporary I’m glad we get a bit more of his take.
He theoretically lived like 5 years, so seeing a return of a previous face that makes the doctor reconnect with himself.
Makes a sentiment.
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That yes I miss who I was and maybe Fter the revisit, I can truly continue who I am myself.
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He was always going towards a further pass of who he was to still be himself.
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Sometimes he just wants to continue being his best self.
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It happens I know many do it.
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We just keep trying but wanna stay who we are.
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I am the doctor, but who
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Is the doctor?
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Ello.
"just popping by to say yes we can be happy"
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Insert** Drama of being responsible.
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I dint ask to be here**
So yes I'm here to handle my drama.
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Hello
Personally, I think it's purely a case of unfinished business. He didn't feel like he was ready to leave. How Donna left was traumatic and that's probably a big loose end for the 10th Doctor. I can't say how likely this is, but I think it would be really interesting to have one incarnation of the doctor "fight" the other, or at least phase in and out for a time. One wants a chance, the other can't let go.
There is a point where the next doctor screams and asks what’s going on on a beach, which i believe has been a way to show the doctor’s brain. You could be right, they could be fighting in his brain
Remember how 12 broke the wall for billions of years for Clara? Maybe 10 climbed the mountain we saw in The Power of the Doctor for Donna.
Look at the speeches Smith and Capaldi had, or the acceptance that 9th had compared to the regenerate into the same face/i don't want to go of the tennant doctors.
@@sabinajoh Though I've heard that clip has an edited green screen for a background, and the true location is unknown, I do think it would explain his bewilderment and anger. I really doubt that we'll have to wait until the end of the three-part story to see the next doctor in action.
@@tienshinhan8189 That is so tragic it fits 10 perfectly and I love it.
For me the real reson of the old face back is Donna, it's gotta be it!
Having 14 be face to face with 15 and having both of them along with the Guardians of The Edge combining their energy is a great idea imo, I like the idea of 14 coming to terms with the idea of having to let the 10th face go and 15 becoming the successor and then fully regenerating into a new and (to The Doctor) completely new incarnation, if that’s what does happen I’m very curious to see how they logically piece it all together
Yes....he did not want to go....maybe because of Donna....he can possibly help her not explode now :D
Best guess something to do with Donna and the meta-crisis. The fact that she's begun to remember him has reverberated back to him causing this.
I like the theory that because 13th doctor ( Jodie) regenerated twice in quick succession (forced regen and the master shooting), the body wasn't ready to regenerate again, so it chose a previous body, because it already had the template for that body. And because Davids Doctor regenerated into himself during the stolen earth story, this is probably the best template to use again.
He came back to save The dr Who universe from its greatest threat…..bad ratings, but I’m still happy he is back
I think it's pretty likely that the forced regeneration will be brought up, because RTD would have no reason not to, really. The Doctor going back to an old face isn't a great precedent to set (the Curator doesn't really count, certainly not in the same way) and RTD probably realises this, so no matter the actual mechanisms of how it happens, which probably involve the toymaker, it would make a lot of sense to use the forced regeneration as an excuse for how this could have happened - The Doctor being in a weakened state because of it allowing the toymaker to do stuff he usually couldn't. Using the forced regen as an excuse is too good of a way of saying "this is a one-time thing and won't happen again" to not use.
I think that it has something to do with Donna
So far though ten is the only doctor with unfinished business though. The only one why said he didn’t want to go. Couple that with Donna having part of him inside her ten is kinda still tied to the world in a way. Very unlike all the other past doctors.
The Toymaker is messing with his regeneration and/or it’s the “unfinished business” of Donna, like 12 and Pompeii.
I'm hoping one of the big differences between 10 & 14, is how much 14 remembers what came AFTER End of Time. It's shouldn't just be 10 in 2022, but a 10 that has remembered & learned all that came before him. They saved Gallifrey, kicked out Rassilon only for the Master to destroy it all; after Rose, they fell in love again (River, Clara, Yaz); they learned about their secret history as the Timeless Child & as an agent of the Division; and most of all they've learned much about accepting death/regeneration.
that’s kinda how it works? the doctor isnt a new doctor every time, it’s the same doctor different face. Yes there a personality quirks but they still have all the memories
Yaz me personally they should’ve never made her a love interest man
David anato there has been a rumour that rdt wants to erase the last era and leave it to the fans if they want to include this in their Canon which I never will
@@yonaunega I don't think thats true. If that were the case, then they should Do that for a lot of other unfavorable parts of its history
@@davidanato5701nothing else has been so polarising or damaging to the lore as timeless child
It's the Toymaker messing with things, it's literally said in the first appearance of the character. He once said to the 1st Doctor "I have the power to change your appearance".
In doing so he's trying to bring The Doctor Donna back as a hybrid Timelord is meant to bring about some sort of cataclysmic event.
The doctor has come a long way from his first incarnation though, he has since wielded the glory, fought with quantum archangel and the carnival queen, absorbed the power of Lux Aeterna, etc so while still nothing compared to a guardian of time we have to remember a guardian of time lives in the six fold realm, and have to abide by the laws set in by the grace. As they could easily erase all of existence besides the six fold realm, but they are not allowed to.
The Eleven and The Monk should return
Yeah I love 11! But Matt probably doesn’t have the time what with Hotd etc. sigh!
In day of the Doctor when 11 was talking to the Curator the Curator saud about returning to old faces... but some of the favorite ones. This set up the posibility of The Doctor being able to regenerate again into an older look.
And also feel like the curator is a future verson of the doctor but retired and that's why he has an old verson of the doctors face
14's last line will almost certainly be something like, "I'm ready to go now."
10 regenerated into 11 and wanted to lose the pain of being himself so he became the younger happier and forgetful 11th doctor who was titled "The Man Who Forgets", when 11 regenerated into 12 he felt that Clara could accept him of who he was a grumpy old man who has regrets and doubts about who he is and his face was the reminder that no matter how grumpy and old he was and no matter how much things happen that you can always save one person, and when 12 regenerated into 13 he wanted a new start a happier start he felt that he learned the lessons of being his old grumpy self and wanted to start fresh and be happy again which is my opinion of why 13 was a total changeup and went into a female incarnation. I skipped the 13th doctor for reasons but now that Tennant's back im gunna watch the seasons but given that all the previous doctors have shaped who the new them is based on their desired thoughts and feelings during regeneration I imagine that when 13 regenerated into 14 she was feeling some sort of feeling that made her think that who she was as the 10th doctor was someone who she wanted to be again in some way shape or form even if it wasn't the direct thought "oh yeah wanna be him again" just some lesson 10 learned that she feels she needed to experience again or some feeling of being him she wants to revisit.
I think the lore reason is simply it being a rarity that can happen but is very unlikely for Time Lords.
The real reason is because the show was tanking thanks to Chibnall and Russell and Tennant are back to save the it. Plus instead of just doing another multi Doctor special for the 60th this lets them introduce the start of a new era and do something different.
From memory Romana meditated to pick her next reincarnation, to have teh eye colour she wanted and so on.
There are three things fans of Time Travel Sci-Fi have wanted:
A) David Tennent's return to Doctor Who (mission accomplished!)
B) Scott Bakula's return to Quantum Leap (STILL waiting...)
C) A Quantum Leap/Doctor Who crossover...!
I defo agree w the Celestial Toymaker theory. Given the character’s abilities, Neil Patrick Harris v likely playing him, and the attention they r drawing to it both at the end of Power of the Doctor and in the teasers for the 60th, it just cannot b a coincidence!
Look at the waistcoat the toymaker is wearing in the trailer. It's almost an identical pattern to the one the doctor regenerates into. That can't be a coincidence!
To me this is key to what we're seeing. In the same way that his top hat n tails outfit is identical to the 11th Doctors' get up in The Big Bang. He's also wearing the 2nd Doctor's bow-tie.
I think your Doctor from the Edge theory is correct. The reason he doesn’t seem to remember this is the trauma of regeneration. He may have “come out fully formed” but that doesn’t mean that he didn’t go through hell to get there.
Well, Ten said he didn't want to go. So... 12 didn't want to regenerate at first either, but came to accept it. Ten really wasn't ready but sacrificed himself to save another. He did that for Donna.
On some inner level, perhaps The Doctor senses she is in danger (wiping memory not enough to protect her) and came back or was allowed to in effort to fix things.
That's The Doctor's whole deal; fix the bad things, heal, help, protect.
In the years to come you might find yourself revisiting some of the old faces. -The Curator
Another theory for why he went back to Ten is that the Master has ruined his name all over the universe. Maybe he (subconsciously) felt that one of his more successful faces would help to restore his reputation.
Very meta
Or maybe it’s kinda like putting on your old comfy hoody after coming home from a really bad day. Old, familiar, and comforting.
I read somewhere that they were going to do a comic run that was going to explain exactly why (in story) 14 is an old identity.
Though I do like the fan theory that someone had. They said that 10 was a product of the Doctor's pain, I don't remember what 11, 12 and 13 were, but 14 was apparently theorized to be a product of the Doctor's nostalgia.
I’m wondering if this is also partly the doctor having worked through some of his emotional trauma and is ready to go back and face things he couldn’t do as 10. Basically an unfinished business thing.
If it is The Celestial Toymaker, then being responsible for the Doctor's regeneration would tie in with the original "Renewal." plan from the 60s. When the Doctor is rendered invisible in The Celestial Toymaker story, the original plan was for this to be William Hartnell's exit from the series. That the Doctor was to re-appear as a different actor. But Hartnell managed to gain a stay of execution and we got The 10th Planet's regeneration.
The important thing I think needs addressing (and I'm confident that RTD will address it, in some way), is the nature of the 10th Doctor and the nature of his downfall. The 10th Doctor's story, is one of hubris. The worst things that happen to him, are the consequences of his own arrogance. In his first story, he ousts Harriet Thorpe. The power vaccuum this leaves is filled by Harold Saxon. He and Rose trigger the creation of Torchwood, which leads to their seperation. Finally upon pronouncing himself "The Timelord Victorious." and claiming the power to choose who lives and dies, The Ood arrive to predict 10 having to choose whether he, or Wilf lives, or dies. Maybe this persona has returned to finally learn his lesson and will, willingly and selflessly regenerate into the 15th at the end of the specials.
It's a comic make believe, so it really doesn't matter. I love seeing different people playing the same characters and how they mostly fit right in.
7:30 I would like to point out that, like 13, 10 also did not want to change bodies, so much so that on 10's first regeneration, he kept his face as 10. Maybe when 13 was crossing over to the edge on that clifftop, 10 was going to try and intercept her to get her to accept the change, as she had refused all of the other previous doctor's, but was then replaced as the 14th doctor somehow.
I agree there will be an in-universe explanation, but have a fourth suggestion. There was, as anyone reading this probably knows, eventually an explanation for Peter Capaldi's returning face. _The Girl Who Died_ told us it was to remind the Doctor that he bends rules to save people. Maybe David Tennant's face could also remind the Doctor of that scene in Pompeii, as well as recalling saving Wilf and other errands of mercy. There may even be an in-universe explanation for the clothes regenerating - I've always felt the new body template 'comes from' somewhere else since it's too fast to be an organic change, and we saw the second Doctor presented with some choices.
The trailer suggests to me an alternative explanation to the three suggested here. OK, a 'glitch' in _Power of the Doctor_ might be a convenient factor in the Doctor 'revisiting' a face, particularly one of the 'old favourites' as the Curator put associated with the Time Lord-human metacrisis. But we shouldn't forget the other half of the metacrisis, namely Donna.
The trailer says Donna is meeting 'fate', and implies the universe is again revolving around the temp from Chiswick and her family. Explaining Catherine Tate's return seems harder than David Tennant's, since her character was written out pretty conclusively as having lost any interest in adventure, at least beyond the West End. So the trailer suggests something is forcing the Doctor back to protect her and forcing Doctor-Donna to be reawakened. And the best way to do that is with a familiar face and a personality that buried itself deep into her unconscious. So the reason Fourteen looks like Ten is Donna, and a new cycle in the Doctor-Donna story. Just as Ten's accent and personality originally was an incarnation designed to fit in with the first Rose, so it returns to indicate Donna. The Doctor-Donna is needed for something big that the Doctor can't handle alone, I predict.
By the way, I doubt this theory about the Toymaker returning. For one thing, RTD has already harked back to early stories but generally only for a giggle, and _The Celestial Toymaker_ is not one of the better stories whose concept and script stood the test of time. Often other fans have guessed RTD's intentions and I've refused to believe it, so I may be wrong. My test of this theory is what you say about 'Mr Emporium' - how does that link to the Toymaker any more than, say to _Evil of the Daleks_ or spooky shopkeepers from SJA?
The curator - " you may find yourself revisitig a few, but only the old favorites"
So far I really think for all intents and purposes, 14 really is a sort of “10+” , for the most part anyway. Like he’s literally 10 who got to come back, quirks and everything, but because the Doctor had been thru so much since 11-13, he’s not quite the same person he was by the time he originally regenerated into 11.
With that in mind and depending on what happens in the anniversary specials, I have a feeling that while for the most part we’ll get a few fanservicey moments to show that it really is him back from the brink, I think we’ll also get a few opportunities to see how he’s a changed person or slightly different from how he was in his past life.
Again, 11, 12, and 13 have each been thru a lot and now that’s all part of his background. That’s gotta be weighing on him, all while he’s trying to figure out why everything is happening now.
I think, much like the actor playing them, the 14th doctor will be like 10 but with the added wisdom and age from experiencing so much since originally being 10. Itd be a waste to have 14 act completely differently to 10, but it'd also feel a bit hallow if he also seemed to be exactly the same as he was before regenerating.
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There's a line in the trailer, something about "destiny is coming for Donna Noble", and the TARDIS knows all and helps the Doctor when he regenerates. I think the TARDIS brought a version of 10 back because of Donna's story line. I also think Donna has Time-Lord ancestry which is why the Doctor-Donna meta-crisis occurred. We know nothing about Wilfred Mott's wife, I reckon she was the Doctor's daughter Jenny, caught by a weeping angel and stuck in London just after the second world war.
jenny flew off into space didn't she
@@Ssrijon She did, but then she featured in a few comic book adventures and met #10 in those, but so far, her story seems to have just stopped being told. So my theory kind of depends on her finding her way to earth and getting caught by chance by a weeping angel. It may be a bit tenuous, but still a worth while theory. As I said, all we know about Wilfred's wife is that she's dead, we don't even know her name. That forms my hypothesis that she married him having been stranded in 1945/6. Had Jenny been caught by a weeping angel, she would have become a fixed point in time, meaning she would grow old and die as a regular human. Jenny is made from #10's DNA, exactly the same as in the severed hand. Genetic traits often skip a generation, meaning that Donna's mother would have dormant Timelord DNA, that was active already in Donna which is why the TARDIS really rescued her from her wedding to Lance, and then fully activated in Donna when Davros hit her with a bolt of electricity, and the regeneration energy flying around the TARDIS caused it to be a much more massive event, causing the burn out in her brain. I don't see how else the biometacrisis could have happened in a universe where such a thing is completely impossible.
After leaving the army, 'Wilf' joined the Metropolitan Police. He was on the beat in the 60s when he entered a police box, only to find out it was, in fact, a time machine inhabited by a strange man and his granddaughter.
On his return from a future war with a Dalek invasion force, he changed his name from Tom and started a new life.
Unbeknownst to him, his time travelling had subtly changed his genome, which he ultimately passed onto Donna. Thanks to all the wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey _stuff,_ her first encounter with the Doctor created a link between them, bringing about the fruition of the Doctor-Donna prophecy.
After all, nobody seemed to notice he knew to try disabling a Dalek by covering its eye-stalk. Almost as if he'd encountered them before...
@@the_once-and-future_king. How do you know all this?
@@robincarey6341 Watch the Doctor Who movies from the 60s and you'll see...
I’m convinced the 14th Doctor looking like the tenth is because of the Toy Maker. Lore wise the Toy Maker was originally going to make the first doctor change appearance into a new actor. This was back before they established regeneration so it wasn’t necessarily a regeneration just the toy maker has that level of power to physically change a beings appearance. The toy maker having some level of control over the universe could also explain why the doctor changes clothes if the toy maker willed that into existence and could potentially also explain how Donna is able to remember the doctor without burning up if it’s potentially not the real Donna and just the toy maker playing tricks
Regenerating Into 6 and 12 both regenerated Into faces they had previously seen. Probably after a time of previous companions, if she was thinking of loose threads at the moment of regeneration, it's natural that Donna crop up and that Tennant return.
If Capaldi could choose a face to remind him of who he is (he saves people), then surely the opposite is possible, a reminder of his past could choose his face
6 regenerated into 7, having seen 7 before? When?
@@tienshinhan8189 5 into 6
Doctor: "Tag, you're it!"
Toymaker: "Let the games begin..."
I hope 14 doesn’t have the same exact personality as 10. It would make sense to acknowledge his experience and growth as 11, 12, and 13.
Also Ramona and 12 both chose a specific face so this could be the case.
Edit: I would like to mention the curator was played by two different former doctors across different media.
Edit 2: the one of the classic who doctors changed clothes upon regeneration and I read somewhere it was an intentional choice as not to be mistaken as another joke about men in women’s clothing
I think the big change here is that 14 will leave with a smile rather than with tears.
Am I the only one who loves the narrative of him being the only Doctor that didn´t want to go out, to die, and now he is back? Am I the only one seeing here the potential for a character arc?
No it’s kind of so obvious that we are trying to see more complicated things that might
even be there.
@@MissCaraMint I mean all I´m saying is that it has the narrative potencial to go on that route since it checks out with the story and character arc of said doctor. If they do not wnat to do that with the character and instead do something else is ok.
I just think that mentioning this will be for the better of the continuation.
@@SergioBallZ No what I mean is that you are right. It’s just fun to look for overcomplicated reasons why.
@@MissCaraMint Oh, sorry I misunderstood then
Beautiful Logo Design!
What if the 14th Doctor isn't David Tennant, but actually Ncuti. So Jodie did in fact regenerate into Ncuti, but the Toymaker is projecting an illusion which shows David Tennant as the Doctor. Might explain why we saw his clothes "regenerate" alongside his face.
This is what im thinking and it might not be the toymaker at all. Someone like the dream doctor, who can project an alternate yet indistinguishable reality where physical appearance of a person can be changed. The classic “its all a dream” explanation 😅
@@therunningstef5347 Yesss
@@therunningstef5347 As the 10th Doctor begins to adjust to his new regeneration, he finds himself in the TARDIS, face to face with the Toymaker. The Toymaker is a powerful and malevolent being who has the ability to create and control a variety of deadly toys.
The Doctor immediately recognizes the Toymaker from a previous encounter and knows that he must be careful. The Toymaker tells the Doctor that he has been waiting for him and that he has a special game in mind for the two of them to play.
The Doctor is wary, but the Toymaker promises that if he wins, the Doctor can return to his newly assigned body (Ncuti's body). The Doctor agrees to play, and the Toymaker leads him to a large room filled with all manner of toys and games.
The Toymaker tells the Doctor that he must complete a series of challenges, each one more difficult than the last. The Doctor quickly realizes that these are not just games, but deadly traps designed to kill him.
Despite the danger, the Doctor is determined to win and save himself and anyone else that the Toymaker has trapped. He uses all of his intelligence, bravery, and knowledge of the TARDIS to outsmart the Toymaker and complete the challenges.
Finally, the Toymaker is defeated and the Doctor is able to escape. As he leaves the Toymaker's lair, he promises to keep an eye out for any other schemes the Toymaker may have in the future, knowing that he is one of the most dangerous foes he has ever faced.
The end.
Yeah but if it’s just an illusion, why would the teeth feel familiar?
The answer to the question is because they are played by the same actor. Happy to help 👍🏻
Why that face? the Doctor needs to find them selves, the face of 10/11 regenerations is the one most familiar for some level of spiritual balance, its also the one version with the most bagage that time needs to be delt with eventualy. Plus Dona has a conection to The Moment dew to 11th's Metacrisis.
Dew to The Doctor sufering, long-term feed-back side-effects of the 9th's Doctor saving Rose with that kiss, brakeing her conection with The Tardis and The Moment that was conected together at the time. That was the starting trama of The Doctor's Metacrisis, The Doctor's conection with The Tardis was Enhanced with The Moment conected. But then Rose trigered her BadWolf event and that disrupted things. The Metacrisis was one part of reality trying to rebalance it's self, with The Tardis and with "Time" dew to 13 Doctor's all useing The Moment to save Gallifrey.
That sounds wibbly-wobbly-timey-wimey enough to be elegantly real, so the 14th Doctor with this face would be part of the whole The Moment-BadWolf-Metacrisis after-shock/sideffects.
He's one of the personalities who didn't go over the cliff he regretted not saving Donna.
Is the Master now part of the Doctor's regeneration history and what consequences could that have?
because the master's personality was in 13, and then the Tennant regeneration I'm thinking Valeyard.Imagine !4 in his Timelord Victorious mode with a dash of The Master thrown in. Perfection.
*WITHOUT* even WATCHING this video ,WHY is this a video *anyway*??? In Day of the Doctor the Curator LITERALLY tells the Doctor,, “you may find yourself revisiting a few faces,but just the OLD FAVORITES “ and Tennant is LITERALLY a favorite
Didn’t The Curator in the 50th say we would revisit some faces but just the old familiar ones?
There is something off about the way he regenerated (including the way the clothing also changed).. I think we will find out it's a result of shenanigans (and not a writer's mistake ..)
Just wanna note that 14's story has already begun in comic form, and he barely seems to care about the oddity of being in an old body. He just jumps back into the TARDIS, briefly mentions 10's original hand ('someone else's hand now', which I would assume is foreshadowing for Donna), and then is taken off to 1966 to try and track down a distress call where he immediately encounters Daleks.
There's no mention of the regeneration going wrong or wacky or anything so far, only that he seems to suddenly have a little trouble remembering the TARDIS controls. Although...maybe that in itself could shed some light on who he really is.
If they have any sense it should only be like his regeneration cycle being a kind of jammed flickering radio stations state of static type of thing and the new one will emerge once it’s fixed somehow?
It would make some kind of at least weird in universe space sense lol, that the Master’s actions has temporarily damaged his cycles’ natural process?🤷♂️
I actually had the thought it was down to the new regeneration cycle that he got in The Time of the Doctor. But the Master screwing things up is more interesting.
I just love your toy maker idea. It’s so good.
The reason is basically the same as the reason why the writers chose Ten's face, nostalgia. Probably the Doctor possibly has seen a lot of the universe, and experienced so much new stuff, that she wants to look back, to reminisce, so she revisits one of her "old favourites". Therefore the Doctor can have a few adventures as his old self before he moves on to the next stage of his life
Happy New year ! You know I was thinking of the mythology of ghosts. The idea that you can't leave if you have unfinished buisness because you can't rest in peace. After all, its not like the doctor can die as we do, he\she regenerates. Of all the doctors so far, tennant was the one most unhappy about leaving. tee hee, back in classic era everyone just laid down on the floor for a nap! zzz 🌠
Definitely could be a problem with regeneration here. If the Doctor doesn’t fix this, he could go from a ten a like to jump back to maybe a fifth a like, jumping further and further back in incarnations exponentially until becoming the Timeless Child and dying.
master forcing the doctor to regenerate was like "ok that's enough, let's see if someone better comes"
Intresting
"From time to time you might find yourself revisiting a few of the old favorites" - The Curator, in Day of the Doctor.
Disagree. The numbering actually does matter. The only actors that count are the ones who have put in an era: Hartnell, Troughton, Pertwee, Baker, Davison, Colin, McCoy, McGann, Eccleston, Tennant, Smith, Capaldi, and Jodie. There are only 13 Doctors (now 14 with Tennant again). Everything else is just story flourishes and drama. No one gets to just magically insert random “Doctors” into the timeline cuz modern feels. The Timless Child simply isn’t canon. Facts.
its canon whether you like it or not
@@ThetaSigma-vu1sk LOL!! As "canon" as McGann's "half-human". As in, not at all. ; )
@@OzBaxter just because you dont like something doesnt mean its not canon. i hate 90% of moffats era, i dont claim its not canon
David Tennant was my favorite Doctor, so I’m actually pretty glad he’s making a return.
It was explained by the Curator Doctor in the 50th anniversary. "Just the old favorites"
One of the few characters that could affect a regeneration is...
The Black Guardian..
I do believe that 14 will essentially be 10, but older and more mature. That seems to be already evident in his style and his look in promo photos. 10, having all of the experiences of 11, 12, and 13 behind him, knowing the truth of the time war, all of that. Still the same man, but changed by time, and trying to figure out why he has this face. Maybe a nice little callback to 12 trying to figure out why he knew his face. What was he/she trying to tell themself going forward
I haven't enjoyed Doctor Who since Capaldi left, mainly because of Chibnall, and a little less by the writers and the directors. I hoped that the time after Capaldi would turn out to be a parallel universe. Oh well.
When Jodie was to regenerate into the master, the solution was to degenerate her, regeneration in reverse, so when Jodie actually regenerates I think the gear is stuck in reverse and that's why we get a previous incarnation.
Overlooked matter - Docotors clothes changed too.. Now I haven't watched the later seasons religiously, so it may be the new norm.. But that was never the case before.. It was always the new doctor in the old clothes, then a whole thing about them picking out their new clothes.. In this change, David turned with his old clothes and styles... Possibly suggesting more that this was a reverse regeneration, instead of a normal forward spun one..
Just a thought!
i think there will be one line about revisiting a few old favourites and thats it
The Toymaker strongly reminds me of the character Q from TNG. Anyone else get that vibe or similar?
Personally, I hope the third theory is the one as it would tie it neatly-ish I think. The first I think would be too simple and the 2nd I don't particularly like the implication(s) of.
On the whole tho, this is (the Watsonian explanation if you like) a way more fun discussion than the real world/Doylist theorising imo.
I personally think there could be a subconscious existential reason...What if the Doctor has regenerated so many times, or has lived so long, that they have undealt-with subconscious issues that result in an "identity crisis" where they return to an old "subconsciously familiar" body until they can figure it all out and resolve those hidden identity issues (possibly caused by something The 10th Doctor did or something involving the Celestial Toymaker...or whoever Harris is playing). Then as The Doctor finds their purpose/identity again, explaining those unseen doubts/issues to the audience, and dealing with those unresolved subconscious setbacks through the plot, they're finally able to move on and accept a new body again. Then he "passes the torch," so to speak, and the 14th Doctor accepts himself for who The Doctor wants to be going forward, letting Gatwa take over as a plot symbol that self-acceptance. I know that's a bit Feudian, but I think it's possible in the universe of Doctor Who. I could be TOTALLY wrong of course, but it's just an idea I had.
The Master's Rasputin dance in Power of the Doctor is Epic
Ten - 2 post regeneration from gen 1: "Used the regeneration energy to heal myself, didn't need to change, I didn't want to anyway, why would I, look at me."
Ten 2 prior to regeneration to eleven: "I don't want to go."
And that regeneration was unusually violent,
Eleven in Time of the Doctor revealed ten into ten counted as a regeneration and said he had 'vanity issues'.
Curator in Day of the Doctor: "And in years to come you might find yourself revisiting a few bt just the old favourites eh."
Well, there are other catch phrases that are used across the doctors. One of the more infamous would be, "I don't like it".
"Kidneys, i've got new kidneys. I don't like the color."
"Ahhh, you've redecorated....I don't like it."
When it comes to Regeneration and the Time Lords, the degree of how destructive they are is often also linked to how willing they are to move on and their mindset at the time. When they resist it, it becomes violent and explosive. When they embrace it and let go, it tends to be quick. When it comes to the 10th returning as the 14th links to Day of the Doctors. Tom Baker came back as a future incarnation of The Doctor who was operating as The Curator and told Matt Smith's Doctor that in the future he would be revisiting some of the older faces, maybe as a reminder of who he is/was/could be/should be/where he came from/the path he took to get there.
We all know that it has everything to do with what the Mater did with the regeneration of the cyber men & they have always hinted to revisiting faces ! Tom baker as the custodian mentioned it to Matt smith also
I feel that the Celestial Toy Maker theory is the most plausible one.
it is simple, when Tenth Regeneration said "I don't want to go!" it is like D.I.D. or Dissociative Identity Disorder. In the phase of shifting between alters some alters have finished their mission and passes on accumulative knowledge to be shared through all incarnations from that point, it is like a data point, things they don't know they know! It is like living a thousand lifetimes and someone surprises you by learning something they never knew. In the case the alter doesn't want to share the experiences can be blocked, a mental protection against bad memories or things they don't want to burden the others with. In a case of Doctor Who, it is when he can remember the amount of death he caused vs his next incarnation literally dismissing it as A LOT. Sometimes in D.I.D. the lack of sharing can cause the alter to fuse with parts that also was not shared creating a different type of incarnation (the reason he looks older because of the fusion of those other parts)
I.E. if a personality is full anarchist and starts fusing with different piece they can turn emotionally distant and stoic, not caring about what the original cared for. It can be the same backward where a person who was chaotic becomes peaceful as the pieces fused gently nudges from the actions shared.
Doctor Who is a study of D.I.D. and those people like myself tends to understand it but it has science fiction, monsters and crazy story telling to amaze the audience while keeping focus on the mental disorder and embracing personal change and acceptance at the new you.
I mostly just wanna know when these new episodes are coming out... im super excited
Yup! From 10 being forced to regenerate because of radiation poisoning, he subconsciously thought 10 deserved another.run.
He just really liked that face so he wore it a second time.
Well, remember when you FIRST understood the whole Bad Wolf plot. That was a "WOW"! I am sure this time we will have the similar "WOW". Yes, I believe in RTD!
Because “Fuck Yeah!!”.. that’s why.
10 is back in action!
Wooooo!!!
Random thought here.
With current technology (stable diffusion, etc), AI can create amazing things. 30 years from now, imagine that AI could perfectly create episodes of Doctor Who with any previous doctor. Seeing Pertwee or Tom Baker perfectly realized in a modern episode would give me chills, and I hope I'm around to see it.
Things I noticed about this regeneration:
1) How totally surreal the cliffside looks, could be bad CGI, but it could be something else,
2) The magical change of clothing
3) Post-Regeneration, plus the trailers, 14 looks scared and confused, which 10 never looked...
Leads me to question how "real" any of this is...
His personality should be different in spite of the face but something to do with the Donna Noble character is important to the brain trust back on Gallefrey. who can help from afar sometimes during regenerations. Glad to see David back at any rate. Like to see his take on the same face but a new personality.
As long as Tenant wants to be 14th, I'll keep watching until 15th comes in then I'll stop.
Jodie's era is a part of Doctor Who that needs to die and be forgotten forever.
Perhaps, the Celestial Toymaker manupulated the Doctor's regeneration as part of his 'worldwide premier' game
He takes the appearance of the people he meets down the way.For example Peter Capaldi, his appearance was from the episode regarding Pompey.
You’ll know the story arc/ reason for Tennant as soon as you see 14s tardis control room.
The reason the 14th Doctor is nearly identical to the 10th is because the 10th Doctor is the best Doctor of all, and if you're in doubt who you should regenerate in to, you default to the best of all.
I think you're right it has to do with trauma of the the master forcing him to regeneratethe him maybe this is his body's way of resetting itself
It make me thinking instead of Doc losing his previous personality forever, his regen process basically retreat or contain the heavily damaged personality for the newer one take place to fix the body.
Since Doc's regen process during the Power of the Doctors event got interrupted or damaged, it retreat back to the closest personality as a failsafe, in the mean time the process still continue for the new Doctor arrives.
He is basically the vessel housing every personality in one body.
Well, 10 did say "I don't wanna go" so there's that.
Because Chris Chibnalls writing team was soooooo bad they felt this was the only way to salvage it was bring Tennant back.
In show wise... I'm pretty sure he is just stuck in a partial regeneration...A transitional phase...Kind of how Matt Smith regenerated... A soft reboot before he becomes 14
What about the time the 10th Doctor regenerated into his own body again. When the Daleks stole the Earth. Even Matt Smith’s 11th Doctor said that that counted as a regeneration. It can all be about the Doctor Donna story.
I have a feeling that whoever Neil Patrick Harris' character is, he has had an effect on why the Doctor is back to the 10th's face.