Honestly, the only thing that doesn't sit well with me regarding this topic is that Rogers' crew and Whitebeard's crew should theoretically be on a similar level of power (basing this on their prolonged battles, concluding in, stellmates), so in theory, either Primebeard has to be strong enough to take on top tiers from Roger's crew on his own (which would make hime theoretically stronger than Roger himself) or his crew really has some never shown powers making them relative to their counterparts in rogers crew. Orrrrr, you can just argue that their battles were never serious as they regarded each other as friends, which in my opinion, falls apart pretty quickly considering they were narratively presented as equals to each other. So, considering all of that, Marco should at least be relative to the dark king Rayleigh, which also doesn't sit well with me because of the power discrepancy shown between them. A very confusing topic to be entirely honest.
I mean we’ve literally seen Marco fight admirals and Yonko, Jozu fought Aokiji who was an admiral, and Vista had enough respect from Mihawk to want to fight him later
Whitebeards crew is based on quantity….Rogers is based on quality All you really need is Roger and Whitebeard to be *direct* equals….the rest of the crew can just stack up however it needs following them. Roger and WB get their ones because they’re the captains but for everyone else it’s battle royale style, at which point you probably have individuals in Rogers crew taking on multiples from Whitebeards Just look at Shikki….lost against Roger multiple times whilst *gathering an entire fleet*
I feel like all first mates we've seen so far have a clear stalemate with each other. Like Katakuri and Marco can't damage King, but King and Marco can't hit Katakuri, King can't damage Marco with his flames and Katakuri doesnt have the AP to outdo Marco's healing.
One piece isn't power scaling based, its narrative based. This is why pre ts luffy level characters can still keep up (I am definitely talking about dorry and broggy) @@Kryss_collects
On paper, everything seems to check out but if we actually read through Wano, we see that despite Marco's initially impressive showing against King and Queen, not only did he lose, he lost BADLY to the point Queen and King exited the fight at basically 100% and without needing to go all out. The damage that Marco was able to do against Queen in turn winds up being largely exaggerated as it never knocked him out or did lasting damage either. What this tells me is that despite Marco being able to neg fire based attacks, King was still able to hurt him and do so badly. Hell, this also means that Queen was able to hurt Marco as well. Whether it means Marco's regen was unable to compete with the damage or his fire-neg stuff has limits I'm not sure but there is some hard limit on Marco since again, he ultimately lost. Also this is 100% a matter of interpretation but Marco huffing and puffing on that panel you showed, to me at least, wasn't a sign that he was tired from previous fights but was struggling to take on King and Marco (hence him immediately praising them by saying holding off 2 guys worth over 1 billion is hard af). I always thought of it was Oda giving us a big narrative cue that Queen and King were the real deal and not even Marco could really beat them, just hold them off, which winds up coming to fruition when he "lets the stars take the stage" as Sanji and Zoro arrive to fight and actually defeat them.
@@SPARTON0Weezy yea like, I can see where Gambler coming from but it can be a bit hard to reconcile the points made with the reality that Marco got his ass beat badly with Queen and King never really using hybrid forms, QUeen never using all his tech, King never using his strongest flames, etc. I think it's just an example of how we can use specific scenes to try to powerscale characters but actual fights between these characters matter more. Sorta how like people were powerscaling Luffy after Wano and saying he' be beating up admirals in his base but then Egghead rolls around and we see Kizaru keeping up with Snakeman so all of those scenes we used to powerscale before ultimately don't matter.
Big Mom was able to completely shit stomp Law and Kid but lost to them as a duo, you’re seriously underestimating the difficulty of fighting alone vs a relative team and this is while Marco was already not at 100%
@@hobbyhorse5848 It's true that it took a teamup to beat big mom but Law also went on to give Blackbeard a mid/high diff fight solo. Another big difference is that Marco was going all out against Queen and King while the latter weren't even going all out. IF Big Mom was going all out against Law and Kidd the fight would have lasted like 2 chapters.
Marco said he wasn’t even sure if he wanted to come to wano. Him saying “he’s going to let the stars take the stage” doesn’t mean that zoro and sanji were the only ones who could beat them. At that same Sanji for sure wasn’t not as strong as Marco, and before KOH I don’t think zoro was either as he was losing bad to King prior to his power up. You say he lost badly but neglect to acknowledge that Marco fought King and Queen out numbered by gifters on top of the fact that he came into the fight expending a lot of flames healing everyone on the live floor. He came into the fight already not at full strength (even having an encounter with Big Mom & Persopero) and the had to deal with king & Queen To suggest King and Queen are on another lvl is kinda insane. And basing him not leaving long lasting damage Queen isn’t much when he they encountered each other a few times. And again, it’s hard to gauge these types of battles especially when Marco is literally having to fight multiple other people. Him fighting literally both some of the most durable opponents doesn’t help either outnumbered doesn’t help. I personally don’t think Queen was 100% as we explicitly saw Marco hurt him to the point he coughed up blood. We don’t get to see the king fight fully end up, he didn’t seem too damaged . All in all, what I’m trying to say is the fight was completely not fair for Marco even excluding the fact that Marco fought two different opponents at the same time and individually, while outnumbered and healing everyone. If anything it’s portraying that Marco was on another lvl but they wore him down.
@@Kaine12349 He couldn’t even take on GB with a weeks recovery & help. It’s really simple, Marco who could hold his own against Admirals was able to physically overpower King in a 1v2. That alone should tell & show you that King can’t hang with an Admiral and we literally saw that when he faced GB & GB calls them mere commanders. Shows the difference in strength/portrayal between Marco & King but some y’all refuse to accept it
@@handsmcgee8331 King had a broken wing, no healing or doctors, no food or resources to recover. His flame was not even on and he still has bandages. Admiral fans always reaching
@@YightLagami No resources?? He literally had bandages on & booze was casually shown in the area. There were also bunch of other Beast Pirates there. Not to mention they’re both ancient zoans with a full week to recover. Not even an Admiral fanboy it’s just pretty embarrassing for first commander can’t do much even with lots help against an Admiral caliber character, it just wasn’t a good look. In all of Wano King never showed me the ability to take on an Admiral, might be hard pill to swallow but it is what it is. Flame on or off, fully healthy or not GB was just too much for him. The hax were able to bypass his defences from the look of it
Marco was fighting kizaru more than a scuffle he was fighting kizaru off screen which is why you see the scene where kizaru catches him off gaurd when he goes to heal wb
Marco was either fighting admirals the whole war or he was in seastone cuffs. Marineford war Marco seems to have more stamina than in onigashima, maybe because hes younger in marineford and he has a much more important role to play as wbs number 1 fighter needing to carry since wb was sick
Meanwhile King can’t even take on an arguably weaker Admiral with help & even looked horrible against Marco for the most part, yet somehow some say he’s stronger lol.
@@rickthomson2773 Full week to recover & lots of help from beast pirates but still gets stomped. Also got manhandled 1v2 when he was healthy, against someone who could actually hang with Admirals. Fully healthy King still gets stomped by GB, the difference in strength is clear
So you're saying that getting 3 shot by 3 shallow cut attacks in a 15 minuets fight makes King better than Katakuri that lost to "17" hits which is false and one of those hits is losing a chunk of his stomach btw not shallow wound in a 12 hours fight? Y'all Katakuri haters can't be serious 🤣
@@crusiver8453 Calling Asura weaker attack when it was implied to be conquerors coating is funny, King didn't get scarred by Zoro because all of his attacks are weaker than Asura it's not the other way around and let me ask you what attack does more damage scarring Kaido or punching a hole though Kaido stomach? I think it's pretty obvious.
How is an acoc slash shallow? A rooftop luffy who used ryou (significantly stronger than a WCI Luffy) did shallow damage against Kaido according to both Kaido and Luffy. When Luffy started using Acoc Kaido started acknowledging him. Zoro was able to scar Kaido with Acoc. His slashes are anything else but shallow.
IMO Marco just MU checks King. In a tier list for which One Piece characters are stronger I would still put King above Marco for better durability and AP.
great analysis. One piece powerscaling has been fucked for a while, but this one I completly agree. Your outro song is too loud compared to the rest of the videos. Ear blast headphone user and bothers everyone at home if I don't have earphone. (If I want to be clearly be able to hear your voice)
You could say the same for king his strongest attack are his fire dragon that wouldn’t do shit to Marco since Marco had 0 serious damage after fighting akainu when shanks came who has real magma and way stronger ap than king😂
@@parmar__12 King vs Zoro does not last 10 minutes, Marco was stated to need a ton of souls to be defeated by big mom, meaning Marco can regen longer than King. King told Zoro he was at his limit of his flame thats why he had to put everything into a final attack because his flame mode was running out.
King actually beat Marco, but a lot od people seemed to have missed that. When Marco was out for a short time, that was because of King. Yes Marco had a short 2v1 moment but afterwards, it was consistently only him and King fighting. Queen was either busy with Chopper or Sanji.
Still believing in that head canon? It never once shows Marco & King 1v1ing, King is also nowhere to be found when Marco helps Chopper with Queen. Should I just assume King was knocked out & fill in offscreen moments with headcanon like you’re doing? No that’s not how it works. The fact remains Marco was stated/emphasized to have reached exhaustion when we see him again, this was setup early on as he was doing a lot on the live floor. He’s also not “beat” when he literally gets back up few pages later engaging & blocking King’s attack completely fine. You’re really grasping for straws here
@@handsmcgee8331 It does in charter 1005, even before the 2v1 moment. And if Marco and King didn't have a 1v1 during Chopper vs Queen or Sanji vs Queen then what else were Marco and King doing when both of them were offscreen? Smoking weed together? Yes Marco was only out for a short time because King left him alone. He was essentially helpless if King chose to attack him further. How does that not count as beating him?
@@ZillaGame77 I’m glad you bring up chapter 1005 because that chapter actually has flying gifters behind King backing him up against Marco. I’m sure they likely dealt with each other few times offscreen but it’s also possible there were gifters involved or more support from Marco but truth is we don’t really see it & you can’t fill things in with your own head canon, that’s not how it works. If they were having a 1v1 the whole time what the hell happened to King when Marco teamed up with Chopper to troll Queen?? It’s things like this we don’t have answers for Thing is you don’t even know if King was the one to leave him there, that’s just an assumption. What if Marco got tired from sharing some of his flames to some allies for all we know?? All we got to go off of is that Marco gassed himself out at some point. Someone defeated is someone who’s done for & cant continue to do anything for long period of time. Marco wasn’t defeated he literally had enough fight to get back up after resting & blocked a named attack from King. A defeated person wouldn’t be able to do that. So by definition & manga this whole narrative is wrong
@@handsmcgee8331 First off, the gifters make no difference, come on. Marco can literally oneshot them. I absoluteley can fill in the blanks because it's the only possible scenario. Anything else makes no sense at all. Fact of the matter is that Queen was busy and Marco was out at some point. How do you think this would have happened? Marco just keeps sharing his flames while King just sits there and watches? And Marco helping Chopper was literally just one moment. Kocking King into a building would have given him enough time to do that.
Such a good fight because both of their flames help each other. Marco puts flames on king it will just help king get stronger and prolly regenerate. Marco would just regenerate from any flames that gets thrown on him 😂. And they both can fly and are basically birds. King is a dark bird Marco is a light bird
Imo, Sanjis biggest anti feat is his fight with Queen. Bro, Queen was getting crapped on by chopper, and Sanji needed a whole power up just to still get hurt by queen, I'm not saying Sanji's weak, I'm saying if you want to make him sound strong don't bring up the fight with Queen (speed blitzing Queen isn't the best feat in the world considering I don't know if Queen even has observation haki or any haki (I don't remember him using haki) and Queen may not be slow, but he isn't even as fast as Zoro
10:19 ain't no way bro claimed "Flame off king" is a bum because he didn't disappear Infront of Zoro like Sanji did queen 💀 First off Sanji disappearance was strictly from Queens perspective, if Kaido or luffy was there they'd see him clearly So secondly Zoro>>Queen, so the can comprehend greater speeds than queen can comprehend and that's why King didn't completely disappeared Both kaido and Luffy never disappeared on the rooftop but does that mean they're slower than Sanji!? No because disappearance is a perception feat Don't use Queens lack feat to scale king cuz it just doesn't work that way
Whatever bum ass race Kaido is apart of, clearly isn’t as important/strong as Lunarians as they would’ve just Made the seraphim have kaidos dna if it was superior to lunarians. Flames on mode durability is just insane he’s got emperor level durability with it on.
Dawg your last point to get marco above king is a mistranslation, it rather could be interpreted as king implying he knows acoc can hurt him flames on. Also marco did fight king and queen 2v1 however they took quite literally 0 damage while he was huffing and puffing while recieving 0 named attacks
The new official color manga shows that Marco did damage flame on King (which should have always been discernible since it was dripping off his nose) so with that on top of everything said in the video I hard agree that Marco beats King. That could potentially change as we get more lore about Lunarians but as things stand Marco has better feats and abilities to work with, particularly the fact that he can counter King’s abilities too
I don’t agree with zoro having human durability as we’ve seen him be able to tank/withstand attacks that would tear about a normal human and it’s clear he’s been a superhuman in all stats
These guys are literally the same fighter man, like they're defensive speedsters with flying zoans who attack with flames, and honestly I just think kings kit is a little more powerful, his defence is better and his attacks seem pretty powerful unlike marco who's got like no big finishers that we've seen, then again we don't know exactly what marco can do since he never really had the opportunity to fully 1v1 anyone on screen and on onigashima he was really just support merchant, fights gonna be extreme diff either way but king is gonna barely get the win imo 👍👍
Do Sanji vs King, you being a Sanji fan I know you are probably gonna meat ride Sanji but I would still like to see your take on it, two flame users one who is really fast, the other is pretty fast but way more durable
Someone needs to start keeping tabs on how many videos katakuri gets slandered from now on. The man had nothing, NOTHING to do with the matchup and was still catching strays.
Zoro's skin durability might be closer to a regular human but dudes bones, muscle and organ durability is insane. Like, any human would die under the g force of zoro simply doing turning while running. Likewise, dude can be hit by strong people and not have any kind of permanent or serious damage. Like, if zoro is hit by a car, or fall from terminal velocity on his leg, he won't break a single bone. I'm pretty sure a sword swung by pre timeskip zoro (If we had weird time travel self match up), couldn't cut through his bone completly either. though thats up for interpretation
ur using real world logic on a cartoon, many fighters in one piece has shown similar or better durability feats than Zoro its pathetic to overhype the guy that is struggling to a beat up lucci.
Reason why this video dose not make sense first your zoro uses suck zoro is for sure perceiving sanji or anyone so thats a bad thing to put on kings speed not being so good and zoro doss have durability higher than humans we seen him take attacks that even fishman or cyborgs would die too in one hit shred them or just destroy them thats not about endurance but the main problem is marco cant do damage to king he would not be able to
Marco theoretically could just extinguish the flame from Kings back and end the fight. Even without that, Marco might not have enough AP to affect King, but King definitely doesn’t. He has no attacks that he could beat Marco with. His path to victory leaves him way more vulnerable than Marco’s. Edited to change “absorb” to “extinguish.”
@@Shark-hn4mv it doesn’t matter what he would “allow”, it’s a fight. We’ve seen Marco clash w Big Mom and extinguish her flame homie, it’s not a reach to think he could do the same to Kings flame
I like your thinking. I think if he did do that it would be a temporary thing for a few seconds maybe to throw him off, or create an opportunity for a emission haki based attack for internal damage.
King isn't slow. You can't compare who he was fighting to who sanji was fighting. Literally, in the same arc, Zoro reacts to hakai before any of the supernova who can all react to Thunder baguas. Zoro reacting to a fast character is just consistent storytelling. Either way, great video.
yep thats something they ignore. Zoro shwoed before his duel with King the WF as expected amazing feats but later got put donw in thw shadow compared to Kings best capabilities.
Humans dont have human level durability. We saw Zoro get hit by a Thunder bagua and live, a human would get turned into paste by that. Human level durability is pathetically bad, Humans can die by just falling the wrong way or getting punched once (That's real btw, theres been people that have died from one punch) and i do not see Zoro getting one punched by some random civilian. These characters are tanking giant explosions, lasers, heat that goes into the tens of thousands and hits from people like Kaido, there aint nothing human about it. You can say they have human weaknesses like slashing attacks, heat, cold attacks etc but not human level durability. Those are 2 separate things.
Who give a shit about this crap show by the way? It is said thay dozens zoro's bones were broken and then afterward it just have been healed rightly straight afterward.
@@dororo2597 You must've skipped an episode. It wasn't just magically healed. Zoro received a special mink medicine that temporarily healed him but caused him to feel double the pain he does currently at a later date (aka after the King fight)
This is probably one of the worst takes I’ve ever seen. Marco beats King. It’s not even close. You kept talking about his endurance like he wasn’t throwing hands with everyone. Even fighting 1v1 with a yonko and Raleigh. Thanks for yapping. Thumbs down. All you have is king vs zoro to reference…..
King wins simply because he cannot be damaged by marco. This is the problem with trying to scale characters people often use the situation characters were in and apply them to everybody fighting them. Like speed just because sanji could disappear to queen doesn't mean he does that to everybody and shouldn't be used to down play king. This is a queen that couldn't react to a fodder slash from zoro and just has bad reaction feats in general. Then comparing it with king and zoro who has some of the best reaction feats in wano so obviously sanjis speed will look better. Imo sanji is faster but not by a massive amount. My thing is marco can only damage king with flames off and even then its not going to be extreme damage. As even with flames off king is highly durable. People have this misconception thar king just gets regular durability without his flames when they only amp it with already good durability. King could take not only aCoC but also a boosted coa slashes from zoro which should be vastly stronger than anything marco has shown. King being at his limit post taking these attacks can't be used in favor of marco because marco can't do that damage to king to put him in that condition. So no that cannot be used as a battle of attrition in favor of marco. Zoro pushing king to his endurance limit has no bearing on marco. It'd be like saying since kaido could only fight a few hours ace has way better stamina because he fought days. It ignoes what the characters had to do in those fights. So you'd have to show marco doing the same level of damage as zoro to put king that state to try and use it in thier fight.On top of that why wouldn't king just stay in flames on mode? Yea marco can effect flames but he has to be in contact with the flames to do it. Unless you are making the argument marco can just speed blitz king to get to his back whenever he wants marco just has no win condition. Marco can stall the fight out dragging it a long time but he has nothing that can put king down. King has a win condition of running out marco regen to land his finishers to win. The yc1 all had invincible abilities you need to counter to win. Kata's is actually being able to hit him. If you don't have great aoe and ap or fs yourself or great speed and coo you cannot beat kata. You need at 1 of the those to actually beat him. With marco you need good ap and endurance/durability to wear down his regen or a hax ability to take his regen. If you don't have both you just can't put the guy down because you are to weak or he puts you down because you can't handle his attacks. Either way you lose since hes invincible till his regen wears out or you can nullify it somehow. King is invincible with his durability. You need really high ap or hax to beat him. If you don't have one or the other king can't be beaten as you can't damage him. Marco can't bypass kings durability. Yea he can take King's flames but that's only effective once as king cannot know marco can take his flames which would open him up to attack. But once king sees that it becomes alot less effective and marco would leave himself open to attack going for kings back.
The Marco downplay is insane. Stop acting playing dumb. Yall know that Oda had to leave King and Queen healthy to preserve Sanji and Zoro's fight with them.
Don't sleep on my Marco. Dude was 15 and went up against Prime King Raleigh. And don't forget that the Beast Pirates and the Whitebeard pirates did fight and Beast pirates lost. One of the reasons why Kido went up to Skipea to try to off himself
I'll put something here to simplify and make some braindead people understand the point basically we'll compare marco and king no flames here (because most attacks will be landed in no flames king) marco and king are pretty equal in speed "but king blitzed zoro" he barelly blitzed zoro and even zoro himself states that when king is without his flames he is "a little faster", and while he didn't match kizaru whatsoever, he was still able to reach him and land a hit in kizaru, which at the time probably had advanced observation and could simply dodge instead of blocking, him feeling the need to block means he wasn't able to dodge king has more ap and strenght overall, that's undeniable but here comes the catch, let's put it into fraction king has 8/10 attack and 2/10 defense while in flames off while marco has 2/10 attack and 8/10 defense marco can pretty much dodge, outheal or block anything king has to offer, and king can simply keep fighting with minimal damage even if he receives some of the strongest attacks from marco this fight does come out to who's stamina will last the longest and for me marco has shown way better stamina feats, fighting big mom and perospero and after that healing an entire army while hold two yonko commanders back for long enough so zoro can fully heal is insane other aspects could be used but the most important things like haki, they are pretty equal and tbh, marco has some better observation haki feats, even more using the anti-feat of king not being able to recognize sanji when he saved momo, being comparable to freaking queen in that aspect and another important thing that can be used in favor of marco is intellect, even tho it is not very used in one piece overall lol, we can't say it is useless, and we can't possibly think marco is not smarter than king, the fact that king has the ability to become invincible whenever he wants and still got defeated is crazy, he's not very brilliant when it comes to having his flames on and off and he do not try hard at all to hide his weaknesses just by using your brains you can pretty much tell that king is not winning this when all he has is ap and marco has dealt with the strongest ap's in the verse "easily"
Marco barely clashed once with BM. So did Luffy and Sanji with G3 in WCI. Saying King's stamina is bad when he literally went up against ACOC Zoro is wild. Stamina argument is so trash because you have Luffy fight Katakuri for 8 hours but gets one tapped by Kaido in less than a second. Jimbe fought Ace and they were having a standstill for 3 days yet Ace gets 3 shot by Blackbeard. etc etc. Stamina argument is BS in One Piece. Zoro's power up made his fight much closer because it pushed himself to near death to use ACOC so the power up was significant enough to actually hurt King (internal destruction btw). Shit's crazy how bias fans are when it comes to nitpicking
@@parmar__12 and i never saw Marco do any damage to a yonko or admiral either, whats your point? Marcos best AP feat is making queen bleed, Sanji's best AP feat is actually defeating him.
@@xdrago1051 marcos best feat is dueling with yonkos and admirals and stalling them without breaking a sweat And kicking around queen like a football as he pleases Sanji's best feat is extreme diffing queen a yc2 which is a level below yc1 that is fucking marco
Restless, thank you so much for these vids, I know you have a personal life and such. So please don't forget about your mental and physical health from time to time. Also great vid I REALLy enjoyed it, seeing you and IMO ( another one piece UA-camr) make the same observations but different conclusions was nice. Thank you for the great vid, do a collaboration, and god bless.
@@aniketarun6061 ok but nothing king has done or failed to do prove he has worse stamina than marco, Marco fought for the entire length of the war but he burnt out in the end just like Luffy did
@@Gravity_Ws_only and King only fought seriously against Zoro for 10 minutes and didnt want to bet on stamina and wanted to end the battle really fast. Also King when doing some attacks and to actually hit Marco HAS to turn flames off. The only time King cut Marco was with a sneak attack. The other times Marco was handling both King and Queen in terms of speed.
@@lyhunter2277 speed key word,of course he’s faster,he was scraping with the light admiral but he ain’t doing damage,also 10 minutes is crazy,it was at least 30 min or smth,he knew zoro was going to catch up to him at some point so might as well try to finish the fight while he still can
Someone please explain how ruble looks like a liquid leaking out from under king mask near his chin with his flames on his back that was obviously oda showing Marco flames are capable of damaging him in a 2v1 with his unique flames agenda piece has y’all downplaying Marco to another lvl king also has the worst battle iq he could’ve beat zoro if he keep his flames on to outlast zoro but he’s just stupid Marco slams high-extreme diff😂
@@parmar__12 he literally used the same attack king has no bag his final move was extra large version of the same attack he used on fodder which isn’t stronger than kaido boro breath Marco easily blocked to save nami😂
@@Luffymynika11 he literally used same attack? 😂😂 Mfer literally said extra large imperial flames and put everything he had in that atta k and he says it's the same attack
Exactly bro 💯 Durability is toughness to prevent damage. Endurance is how much you can take damage/pain and still keep going. Stamina is how long you can fight with getting tired.
First pin me pls
You made it, king.
@@honkworld9405 yes my first pin
Is that u my clone?
@@generalyousif3640 BROTHER
It’s always complicated talking about Sanji victims
You never have good takes i pray the day you do😞🙏🏻
lmaooooo those replies 😭
Idk why sanji > king is such a prominent take. He's done nothing to prove it
@@lorenzorercan3821ikr they want him to be equal to Zoro so bad 😭😭💀💀
Sanji is the goat
Honestly, the only thing that doesn't sit well with me regarding this topic is that Rogers' crew and Whitebeard's crew should theoretically be on a similar level of power (basing this on their prolonged battles, concluding in, stellmates), so in theory, either Primebeard has to be strong enough to take on top tiers from Roger's crew on his own (which would make hime theoretically stronger than Roger himself) or his crew really has some never shown powers making them relative to their counterparts in rogers crew. Orrrrr, you can just argue that their battles were never serious as they regarded each other as friends, which in my opinion, falls apart pretty quickly considering they were narratively presented as equals to each other. So, considering all of that, Marco should at least be relative to the dark king Rayleigh, which also doesn't sit well with me because of the power discrepancy shown between them. A very confusing topic to be entirely honest.
I mean we’ve literally seen Marco fight admirals and Yonko, Jozu fought Aokiji who was an admiral, and Vista had enough respect from Mihawk to want to fight him later
Whitebeards crew is based on quantity….Rogers is based on quality
All you really need is Roger and Whitebeard to be *direct* equals….the rest of the crew can just stack up however it needs following them. Roger and WB get their ones because they’re the captains but for everyone else it’s battle royale style, at which point you probably have individuals in Rogers crew taking on multiples from Whitebeards
Just look at Shikki….lost against Roger multiple times whilst *gathering an entire fleet*
@@Kurotama11false. Roger would've lost if it wasn't for a storm that interrupted. He was saved by a storm
@@Leeacademy2024 but he had lost before that right? Or were they tied like Roger and WB up to that point?
@Kurotama11 roger was likely stronger than shiki but his singular crew cannot take on an entire fleet
I feel like all first mates we've seen so far have a clear stalemate with each other. Like Katakuri and Marco can't damage King, but King and Marco can't hit Katakuri, King can't damage Marco with his flames and Katakuri doesnt have the AP to outdo Marco's healing.
No way bro is kat fan hell no
One piece isn't power scaling based, its narrative based. This is why pre ts luffy level characters can still keep up (I am definitely talking about dorry and broggy) @@Kryss_collects
On paper, everything seems to check out but if we actually read through Wano, we see that despite Marco's initially impressive showing against King and Queen, not only did he lose, he lost BADLY to the point Queen and King exited the fight at basically 100% and without needing to go all out. The damage that Marco was able to do against Queen in turn winds up being largely exaggerated as it never knocked him out or did lasting damage either. What this tells me is that despite Marco being able to neg fire based attacks, King was still able to hurt him and do so badly. Hell, this also means that Queen was able to hurt Marco as well. Whether it means Marco's regen was unable to compete with the damage or his fire-neg stuff has limits I'm not sure but there is some hard limit on Marco since again, he ultimately lost.
Also this is 100% a matter of interpretation but Marco huffing and puffing on that panel you showed, to me at least, wasn't a sign that he was tired from previous fights but was struggling to take on King and Marco (hence him immediately praising them by saying holding off 2 guys worth over 1 billion is hard af). I always thought of it was Oda giving us a big narrative cue that Queen and King were the real deal and not even Marco could really beat them, just hold them off, which winds up coming to fruition when he "lets the stars take the stage" as Sanji and Zoro arrive to fight and actually defeat them.
Wow! I didn’t put that into perspective! Yeah King and Queen were MEGA UNFAZED! 💀💀😂😂
Marco was at deaths door! Smh
@@SPARTON0Weezy yea like, I can see where Gambler coming from but it can be a bit hard to reconcile the points made with the reality that Marco got his ass beat badly with Queen and King never really using hybrid forms, QUeen never using all his tech, King never using his strongest flames, etc. I think it's just an example of how we can use specific scenes to try to powerscale characters but actual fights between these characters matter more. Sorta how like people were powerscaling Luffy after Wano and saying he' be beating up admirals in his base but then Egghead rolls around and we see Kizaru keeping up with Snakeman so all of those scenes we used to powerscale before ultimately don't matter.
Big Mom was able to completely shit stomp Law and Kid but lost to them as a duo, you’re seriously underestimating the difficulty of fighting alone vs a relative team and this is while Marco was already not at 100%
@@hobbyhorse5848 It's true that it took a teamup to beat big mom but Law also went on to give Blackbeard a mid/high diff fight solo.
Another big difference is that Marco was going all out against Queen and King while the latter weren't even going all out. IF Big Mom was going all out against Law and Kidd the fight would have lasted like 2 chapters.
Marco said he wasn’t even sure if he wanted to come to wano. Him saying “he’s going to let the stars take the stage” doesn’t mean that zoro and sanji were the only ones who could beat them. At that same Sanji for sure wasn’t not as strong as Marco, and before KOH I don’t think zoro was either as he was losing bad to King prior to his power up.
You say he lost badly but neglect to acknowledge that Marco fought King and Queen out numbered by gifters on top of the fact that he came into the fight expending a lot of flames healing everyone on the live floor. He came into the fight already not at full strength (even having an encounter with Big Mom & Persopero) and the had to deal with king & Queen
To suggest King and Queen are on another lvl is kinda insane. And basing him not leaving long lasting damage Queen isn’t much when he they encountered each other a few times. And again, it’s hard to gauge these types of battles especially when Marco is literally having to fight multiple other people. Him fighting literally both some of the most durable opponents doesn’t help either outnumbered doesn’t help. I personally don’t think Queen was 100% as we explicitly saw Marco hurt him to the point he coughed up blood. We don’t get to see the king fight fully end up, he didn’t seem too damaged .
All in all, what I’m trying to say is the fight was completely not fair for Marco even excluding the fact that Marco fought two different opponents at the same time and individually, while outnumbered and healing everyone. If anything it’s portraying that Marco was on another lvl but they wore him down.
If Marco had conquerors haki, he’d be the 🐐
Both Katakuri Victim (I’m schizophrenic)
@mste101 MSTE????
Man I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS🗣️🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🔥🔥 Katakuri beat Queen tho. Lose to both King and Marco
@mste101 Wait Queen has CoC😳😳😳😳
Then he’s easily Yonko lvl
The statment that says Marco fought equally with the Admirals is legit, you can't pick and chose bud you're not the author
So by proxy you’re saying that King is admiral level?
@@Kaine12349 No he isn't close to Marco he was losing 2v1
@@Kaine12349 He couldn’t even take on GB with a weeks recovery & help. It’s really simple, Marco who could hold his own against Admirals was able to physically overpower King in a 1v2. That alone should tell & show you that King can’t hang with an Admiral and we literally saw that when he faced GB & GB calls them mere commanders. Shows the difference in strength/portrayal between Marco & King but some y’all refuse to accept it
@@handsmcgee8331 King had a broken wing, no healing or doctors, no food or resources to recover. His flame was not even on and he still has bandages. Admiral fans always reaching
@@YightLagami No resources?? He literally had bandages on & booze was casually shown in the area. There were also bunch of other Beast Pirates there. Not to mention they’re both ancient zoans with a full week to recover. Not even an Admiral fanboy it’s just pretty embarrassing for first commander can’t do much even with lots help against an Admiral caliber character, it just wasn’t a good look. In all of Wano King never showed me the ability to take on an Admiral, might be hard pill to swallow but it is what it is. Flame on or off, fully healthy or not GB was just too much for him. The hax were able to bypass his defences from the look of it
This kid just explained why King and Marco losing to Katakuri but he won’t admit it because he have an agenda, i agree Marco wins this.
Katakuri can’t beat Marco or king 😂
Katakuri hurts all their agendas that’s why
All forms of advanced haki. Df awakening. High battle iq. Kat washes king
@@Leeacademy2024 he don’t
kat loses to king lol what
he’ll be upscaled when he shows back up though
Those timestamps dont go unnoticed my bro
Thanks!!❤
It may be a toss up on who wins between Marco and King, but one thing is true. They slap around Fodderkuri.
Marco. Fs …
Fodderkuri is mad disrespectful 💀😭😭😭
@@DemonFist94but accurate
@@the_all_blue_does_exist716 lmaaaoooo
Marco was fighting kizaru more than a scuffle he was fighting kizaru off screen which is why you see the scene where kizaru catches him off gaurd when he goes to heal wb
Marco was either fighting admirals the whole war or he was in seastone cuffs. Marineford war Marco seems to have more stamina than in onigashima, maybe because hes younger in marineford and he has a much more important role to play as wbs number 1 fighter needing to carry since wb was sick
Meanwhile King can’t even take on an arguably weaker Admiral with help & even looked horrible against Marco for the most part, yet somehow some say he’s stronger lol.
@handsmcgee8331 he was injured
yeah cause he was extremely injured. marco never "fought: any dmiral he just held them off for a second
@@handsmcgee8331
@@rickthomson2773 Full week to recover & lots of help from beast pirates but still gets stomped. Also got manhandled 1v2 when he was healthy, against someone who could actually hang with Admirals. Fully healthy King still gets stomped by GB, the difference in strength is clear
So you're saying that getting 3 shot by 3 shallow cut attacks in a 15 minuets fight makes King better than Katakuri that lost to "17" hits which is false and one of those hits is losing a chunk of his stomach btw not shallow wound in a 12 hours fight? Y'all Katakuri haters can't be serious 🤣
What part of anything King took was shallow? When Zoro's WEAKER attacks scarred Kaido.
@@crusiver8453 Calling Asura weaker attack when it was implied to be conquerors coating is funny, King didn't get scarred by Zoro because all of his attacks are weaker than Asura it's not the other way around and let me ask you what attack does more damage scarring Kaido or punching a hole though Kaido stomach? I think it's pretty obvious.
@@crusiver8453zoros "stronger" attacks currently going extreme diff with someone weaker than kat aka lucci so I don't wanna hear it
lmfaooo zoro’s adv conq attacks are no where near shallow!
How is an acoc slash shallow? A rooftop luffy who used ryou (significantly stronger than a WCI Luffy) did shallow damage against Kaido according to both Kaido and Luffy.
When Luffy started using Acoc Kaido started acknowledging him.
Zoro was able to scar Kaido with Acoc. His slashes are anything else but shallow.
This is the first correct opinion you have on a 1v1 such a rare W
Except fr a few kat slanders, what takes u don't agree on??
@@Karthikeyan-hw1xg
He probably thinks Sanji loses every fight what do you expect from these Sanji haters ?
@@Karthikeyan-hw1xg I don't agree on all 1v1 one piece videos except for this one
@@jack-ei7ju if u think sanji loses to king n kat then idk who's bias here
@@Karthikeyan-hw1xg How is that bias? Sanji passed out after fighting Queen he's not beating any Yc1 (for now)
The Marco downplay is elite ngl
Even though I think king extreme diffs this whole vid just made me realize that Marco is freaking underrated sometimes 💀 w vid
Power creep in op isnt fair chooper can literally whoops katakuri ass 💀
Nah that's just crazy I don't see that happening kat needs an appearance soon.
Idk abt all of that. But Kata definitely need a power up because that could happen later into the story
IMO Marco just MU checks King. In a tier list for which One Piece characters are stronger I would still put King above Marco for better durability and AP.
It's always a good day once the Restless D. Wambler posts
Shanks wasn’t trying to recruite marco for nothing.... lol... 😂
imminent lrrszz reply
lmfaooo
hold on I got Katakuri over Marco but him under Sanji and King.. nahhhhh somethings off brother... 1.King 2.Sanji 3.Katakuri 4.Marco 💀
"Weaker than K*******"
Bro did not want to fight the fanbase😭
Ig bro has to censor every bit of him when he coloed him all red😭🙏
Zoros perception > queens perception
In the end katakuri washes both
Hi please can you Seraphim Kaido vs Seraphim Marco thanks.
great analysis. One piece powerscaling has been fucked for a while, but this one I completly agree.
Your outro song is too loud compared to the rest of the videos. Ear blast headphone user and bothers everyone at home if I don't have earphone.
(If I want to be clearly be able to hear your voice)
Yeah this is the 2nd video thats a complete copy of IMO. Dont use other ppl content
are you stupid?😭
@@RestlessGamblrrare you a theory thief taking other ppl content
@@mrbushido56stop being dumb man, fuck outta my comments with that bullshit
@@RestlessGamblrr lost a lot of respect for you man . Stealing other ppl work is not cool
Now way u and IMO dropped the same vid today
Marco doesn’t have enough AP to put king down and win
You could say the same for king his strongest attack are his fire dragon that wouldn’t do shit to Marco since Marco had 0 serious damage after fighting akainu when shanks came who has real magma and way stronger ap than king😂
@@Luffymynika11 can’t argue against it flawless statement
He has shockwave attacks
@@krillin1081not doing much to a zoan
@@parmar__12 King vs Zoro does not last 10 minutes, Marco was stated to need a ton of souls to be defeated by big mom, meaning Marco can regen longer than King. King told Zoro he was at his limit of his flame thats why he had to put everything into a final attack because his flame mode was running out.
King actually beat Marco, but a lot od people seemed to have missed that. When Marco was out for a short time, that was because of King. Yes Marco had a short 2v1 moment but afterwards, it was consistently only him and King fighting. Queen was either busy with Chopper or Sanji.
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Still believing in that head canon? It never once shows Marco & King 1v1ing, King is also nowhere to be found when Marco helps Chopper with Queen. Should I just assume King was knocked out & fill in offscreen moments with headcanon like you’re doing? No that’s not how it works. The fact remains Marco was stated/emphasized to have reached exhaustion when we see him again, this was setup early on as he was doing a lot on the live floor. He’s also not “beat” when he literally gets back up few pages later engaging & blocking King’s attack completely fine. You’re really grasping for straws here
@@handsmcgee8331 It does in charter 1005, even before the 2v1 moment. And if Marco and King didn't have a 1v1 during Chopper vs Queen or Sanji vs Queen then what else were Marco and King doing when both of them were offscreen? Smoking weed together?
Yes Marco was only out for a short time because King left him alone. He was essentially helpless if King chose to attack him further. How does that not count as beating him?
@@ZillaGame77 I’m glad you bring up chapter 1005 because that chapter actually has flying gifters behind King backing him up against Marco. I’m sure they likely dealt with each other few times offscreen but it’s also possible there were gifters involved or more support from Marco but truth is we don’t really see it & you can’t fill things in with your own head canon, that’s not how it works. If they were having a 1v1 the whole time what the hell happened to King when Marco teamed up with Chopper to troll Queen?? It’s things like this we don’t have answers for
Thing is you don’t even know if King was the one to leave him there, that’s just an assumption. What if Marco got tired from sharing some of his flames to some allies for all we know?? All we got to go off of is that Marco gassed himself out at some point. Someone defeated is someone who’s done for & cant continue to do anything for long period of time. Marco wasn’t defeated he literally had enough fight to get back up after resting & blocked a named attack from King. A defeated person wouldn’t be able to do that. So by definition & manga this whole narrative is wrong
@@handsmcgee8331 First off, the gifters make no difference, come on. Marco can literally oneshot them.
I absoluteley can fill in the blanks because it's the only possible scenario. Anything else makes no sense at all. Fact of the matter is that Queen was busy and Marco was out at some point. How do you think this would have happened? Marco just keeps sharing his flames while King just sits there and watches?
And Marco helping Chopper was literally just one moment. Kocking King into a building would have given him enough time to do that.
Don’t forget about the pay back war Marco fought black beard and escape
Bepo victims 🥶😭
another night of fictional characters debate 😘
Imo admirals didnt really hurt marco and marco didnt really hurt the admirals from what i remember its pretty even
Yeah or they did hurt him but he regenerates so it’s still pretty even
I'm expecting king to win NGL
i mean yeah but you make it seem like this is a hot take.
@@skywalker5903 better AP scaling via scaling to Zoro
Arguably better with flames off via possibly Perception blitzing Zoro
Imo King takes it with flames on he's untouchable. His AP is stronger.
We eatin
Such a good fight because both of their flames help each other. Marco puts flames on king it will just help king get stronger and prolly regenerate. Marco would just regenerate from any flames that gets thrown on him 😂. And they both can fly and are basically birds. King is a dark bird Marco is a light bird
Thumbnail is gorgeous
Rare Marco W
Imo, Sanjis biggest anti feat is his fight with Queen. Bro, Queen was getting crapped on by chopper, and Sanji needed a whole power up just to still get hurt by queen, I'm not saying Sanji's weak, I'm saying if you want to make him sound strong don't bring up the fight with Queen (speed blitzing Queen isn't the best feat in the world considering I don't know if Queen even has observation haki or any haki (I don't remember him using haki) and Queen may not be slow, but he isn't even as fast as Zoro
10:19 ain't no way bro claimed "Flame off king" is a bum because he didn't disappear Infront of Zoro like Sanji did queen 💀
First off Sanji disappearance was strictly from Queens perspective, if Kaido or luffy was there they'd see him clearly
So secondly Zoro>>Queen, so the can comprehend greater speeds than queen can comprehend and that's why King didn't completely disappeared
Both kaido and Luffy never disappeared on the rooftop but does that mean they're slower than Sanji!? No because disappearance is a perception feat
Don't use Queens lack feat to scale king cuz it just doesn't work that way
King the most durable person in the series lmao that made me laugh
exactly brother 🤣
Whatever bum ass race Kaido is apart of, clearly isn’t as important/strong as Lunarians as they would’ve just Made the seraphim have kaidos dna if it was superior to lunarians. Flames on mode durability is just insane he’s got emperor level durability with it on.
Dawg your last point to get marco above king is a mistranslation, it rather could be interpreted as king implying he knows acoc can hurt him flames on. Also marco did fight king and queen 2v1 however they took quite literally 0 damage while he was huffing and puffing while recieving 0 named attacks
The new official color manga shows that Marco did damage flame on King (which should have always been discernible since it was dripping off his nose) so with that on top of everything said in the video I hard agree that Marco beats King. That could potentially change as we get more lore about Lunarians but as things stand Marco has better feats and abilities to work with, particularly the fact that he can counter King’s abilities too
I don’t agree with zoro having human durability as we’ve seen him be able to tank/withstand attacks that would tear about a normal human and it’s clear he’s been a superhuman in all stats
These guys are literally the same fighter man, like they're defensive speedsters with flying zoans who attack with flames, and honestly I just think kings kit is a little more powerful, his defence is better and his attacks seem pretty powerful unlike marco who's got like no big finishers that we've seen, then again we don't know exactly what marco can do since he never really had the opportunity to fully 1v1 anyone on screen and on onigashima he was really just support merchant, fights gonna be extreme diff either way but king is gonna barely get the win imo 👍👍
I got Marco just because his immunity to flames
Didnt IMO make a video on this earlier today ?
yea
So you stole his work and didnt even link to the real video
@@mrbushido56 cant really steal work if it came out on the same day
Bro just do sanji vs Greenbull bro
Marco just can't catch a break....Katakuri, Ben, Marco and King should all be on the same level...but something tells me that ain't it.
not that shockwave was too powerful but queen's attack exploded inside himself and that caused the bleeding
Do Sanji vs King, you being a Sanji fan I know you are probably gonna meat ride Sanji but I would still like to see your take on it, two flame users one who is really fast, the other is pretty fast but way more durable
Someone needs to start keeping tabs on how many videos katakuri gets slandered from now on. The man had nothing, NOTHING to do with the matchup and was still catching strays.
Katakuri is rent free in this kid head
Restless I know you were gone for a while but when are you gonna talk about the end to kizaru vs Luffy
Zoro's skin durability might be closer to a regular human but dudes bones, muscle and organ durability is insane.
Like, any human would die under the g force of zoro simply doing turning while running.
Likewise, dude can be hit by strong people and not have any kind of permanent or serious damage. Like, if zoro is hit by a car, or fall from terminal velocity on his leg, he won't break a single bone.
I'm pretty sure a sword swung by pre timeskip zoro (If we had weird time travel self match up), couldn't cut through his bone completly either. though thats up for interpretation
This is good I agree. I also differenciate skin and bones.
ur using real world logic on a cartoon, many fighters in one piece has shown similar or better durability feats than Zoro its pathetic to overhype the guy that is struggling to a beat up lucci.
@@tawchaentertainment14883 panels of fight is struggling I guess
Marco vs Sabo, whose winning this sanji victim 1v1
sanji is their victims, especially based on narrative, which is arguably more important
@@nottawa86 cap, plus why are you even on this channel if that's what you think
@@ctrldrgnMarco slams sabo, sabo did poorly against fujitora which is like his only fight i remember
@@syn351 and yet Sanji cooks both of them
@@ctrldrgn do you think Sanji would be able to kick kizaru like Marco did?
Marco fought king offscreen and got pushed to his limit king wasn’t damaged
After watching 11:52 minutes of this video King wins 💯🐐💯
Slick title change
lmfao
@@RestlessGamblrr He REALLY thought we wouldn't notice
Reason why this video dose not make sense first your zoro uses suck zoro is for sure perceiving sanji or anyone so thats a bad thing to put on kings speed not being so good and zoro doss have durability higher than humans we seen him take attacks that even fishman or cyborgs would die too in one hit shred them or just destroy them thats not about endurance but the main problem is marco cant do damage to king he would not be able to
Pineapple>Black Man
That idiot's assessment
Real ones knew marco would bag this 1st commander of the former gratest pirates
Nah, we only know King from One punch man. Who is this bum?
For me it is marco but I understand those who believe its king. Having said that both are over sanji
13:12 if it’s doing damage internally why would it matter if Kings flames are on? Internal damage is internal lol
Yooo W winner Marco w
Marco theoretically could just extinguish the flame from Kings back and end the fight. Even without that, Marco might not have enough AP to affect King, but King definitely doesn’t. He has no attacks that he could beat Marco with. His path to victory leaves him way more vulnerable than Marco’s.
Edited to change “absorb” to “extinguish.”
The absorbing flame on his back is quite a reach especially since King wouldn't just allow it.
@@Shark-hn4mv it doesn’t matter what he would “allow”, it’s a fight. We’ve seen Marco clash w Big Mom and extinguish her flame homie, it’s not a reach to think he could do the same to Kings flame
I like your thinking. I think if he did do that it would be a temporary thing for a few seconds maybe to throw him off, or create an opportunity for a emission haki based attack for internal damage.
This has nothing to deal with the fight. But I personally don't like King's df. What's the point of a flying man having a flying df?
King isn't slow. You can't compare who he was fighting to who sanji was fighting.
Literally, in the same arc, Zoro reacts to hakai before any of the supernova who can all react to Thunder baguas.
Zoro reacting to a fast character is just consistent storytelling.
Either way, great video.
yep thats something they ignore. Zoro shwoed before his duel with King the WF as expected amazing feats but later got put donw in thw shadow compared to Kings best capabilities.
showed* down* the*
Humans dont have human level durability. We saw Zoro get hit by a Thunder bagua and live, a human would get turned into paste by that. Human level durability is pathetically bad, Humans can die by just falling the wrong way or getting punched once (That's real btw, theres been people that have died from one punch) and i do not see Zoro getting one punched by some random civilian. These characters are tanking giant explosions, lasers, heat that goes into the tens of thousands and hits from people like Kaido, there aint nothing human about it.
You can say they have human weaknesses like slashing attacks, heat, cold attacks etc but not human level durability. Those are 2 separate things.
Who give a shit about this crap show by the way? It is said thay dozens zoro's bones were broken and then afterward it just have been healed rightly straight afterward.
@@dororo2597 You must've skipped an episode. It wasn't just magically healed. Zoro received a special mink medicine that temporarily healed him but caused him to feel double the pain he does currently at a later date (aka after the King fight)
@@xdrago1051 what kind of episode did i would get from deplorable show?
@@dororo2597 that's not proper grammar so idk what you're even trying to to say.
@@xdrago1051 that's my locution, whi give a shir with grammar
This is probably one of the worst takes I’ve ever seen. Marco beats King. It’s not even close. You kept talking about his endurance like he wasn’t throwing hands with everyone. Even fighting 1v1 with a yonko and Raleigh. Thanks for yapping. Thumbs down. All you have is king vs zoro to reference…..
What will you expect from Marco fangirls?😂 they are mad he didn’t get a W so they started fantasizing wins for him😂😂
This anaysis tend to marco's favor and unobjective
King wins simply because he cannot be damaged by marco. This is the problem with trying to scale characters people often use the situation characters were in and apply them to everybody fighting them. Like speed just because sanji could disappear to queen doesn't mean he does that to everybody and shouldn't be used to down play king. This is a queen that couldn't react to a fodder slash from zoro and just has bad reaction feats in general. Then comparing it with king and zoro who has some of the best reaction feats in wano so obviously sanjis speed will look better. Imo sanji is faster but not by a massive amount. My thing is marco can only damage king with flames off and even then its not going to be extreme damage. As even with flames off king is highly durable. People have this misconception thar king just gets regular durability without his flames when they only amp it with already good durability. King could take not only aCoC but also a boosted coa slashes from zoro which should be vastly stronger than anything marco has shown. King being at his limit post taking these attacks can't be used in favor of marco because marco can't do that damage to king to put him in that condition. So no that cannot be used as a battle of attrition in favor of marco. Zoro pushing king to his endurance limit has no bearing on marco. It'd be like saying since kaido could only fight a few hours ace has way better stamina because he fought days. It ignoes what the characters had to do in those fights. So you'd have to show marco doing the same level of damage as zoro to put king that state to try and use it in thier fight.On top of that why wouldn't king just stay in flames on mode? Yea marco can effect flames but he has to be in contact with the flames to do it. Unless you are making the argument marco can just speed blitz king to get to his back whenever he wants marco just has no win condition. Marco can stall the fight out dragging it a long time but he has nothing that can put king down. King has a win condition of running out marco regen to land his finishers to win.
The yc1 all had invincible abilities you need to counter to win.
Kata's is actually being able to hit him. If you don't have great aoe and ap or fs yourself or great speed and coo you cannot beat kata. You need at 1 of the those to actually beat him.
With marco you need good ap and endurance/durability to wear down his regen or a hax ability to take his regen. If you don't have both you just can't put the guy down because you are to weak or he puts you down because you can't handle his attacks. Either way you lose since hes invincible till his regen wears out or you can nullify it somehow.
King is invincible with his durability. You need really high ap or hax to beat him. If you don't have one or the other king can't be beaten as you can't damage him.
Marco can't bypass kings durability. Yea he can take King's flames but that's only effective once as king cannot know marco can take his flames which would open him up to attack. But once king sees that it becomes alot less effective and marco would leave himself open to attack going for kings back.
The Marco downplay is insane.
Stop acting playing dumb. Yall know that Oda had to leave King and Queen healthy to preserve Sanji and Zoro's fight with them.
Yeah more like oda saved Marco from getting raped by king😂😂
Sanji isn't a part of this fight, but I still think he should disappear
Bro censored Kata 😂😂
Don't sleep on my Marco. Dude was 15 and went up against Prime King Raleigh. And don't forget that the Beast Pirates and the Whitebeard pirates did fight and Beast pirates lost. One of the reasons why Kido went up to Skipea to try to off himself
Yeah bro got one tapped by prime Rayleigh fraudco ain’t him😂
Flames off durability >>>>> Queen
grilled pineapple 😊
I'll put something here to simplify and make some braindead people understand the point
basically we'll compare marco and king no flames here (because most attacks will be landed in no flames king)
marco and king are pretty equal in speed "but king blitzed zoro" he barelly blitzed zoro and even zoro himself states that when king is without his flames he is "a little faster", and while he didn't match kizaru whatsoever, he was still able to reach him and land a hit in kizaru, which at the time probably had advanced observation and could simply dodge instead of blocking, him feeling the need to block means he wasn't able to dodge
king has more ap and strenght overall, that's undeniable but here comes the catch, let's put it into fraction
king has 8/10 attack and 2/10 defense while in flames off
while marco has 2/10 attack and 8/10 defense
marco can pretty much dodge, outheal or block anything king has to offer, and king can simply keep fighting with minimal damage even if he receives some of the strongest attacks from marco
this fight does come out to who's stamina will last the longest and for me marco has shown way better stamina feats, fighting big mom and perospero and after that healing an entire army while hold two yonko commanders back for long enough so zoro can fully heal is insane
other aspects could be used but the most important things like haki, they are pretty equal and tbh, marco has some better observation haki feats, even more using the anti-feat of king not being able to recognize sanji when he saved momo, being comparable to freaking queen in that aspect
and another important thing that can be used in favor of marco is intellect, even tho it is not very used in one piece overall lol, we can't say it is useless, and we can't possibly think marco is not smarter than king, the fact that king has the ability to become invincible whenever he wants and still got defeated is crazy, he's not very brilliant when it comes to having his flames on and off and he do not try hard at all to hide his weaknesses
just by using your brains you can pretty much tell that king is not winning this when all he has is ap and marco has dealt with the strongest ap's in the verse "easily"
Marco barely clashed once with BM. So did Luffy and Sanji with G3 in WCI. Saying King's stamina is bad when he literally went up against ACOC Zoro is wild. Stamina argument is so trash because you have Luffy fight Katakuri for 8 hours but gets one tapped by Kaido in less than a second.
Jimbe fought Ace and they were having a standstill for 3 days yet Ace gets 3 shot by Blackbeard. etc etc. Stamina argument is BS in One Piece. Zoro's power up made his fight much closer because it pushed himself to near death to use ACOC so the power up was significant enough to actually hurt King (internal destruction btw).
Shit's crazy how bias fans are when it comes to nitpicking
Y doesn't King use his armament haki is my 1 question
Honestly Restless Gambler you might have convinced me to put Marco>King, but that would also mean Marco>Sanji for me so I'm not doing that. Great vid!
lmfao
he has Sanji > Marco as well. Sanji a better Marco. Marco but with AP Feats and better speed.
@@MementoDespairsanji has better feats and ap??
Never saw sanji. Against a yonko or admiral
@@parmar__12 and i never saw Marco do any damage to a yonko or admiral either, whats your point? Marcos best AP feat is making queen bleed, Sanji's best AP feat is actually defeating him.
@@xdrago1051 marcos best feat is dueling with yonkos and admirals and stalling them without breaking a sweat
And kicking around queen like a football as he pleases
Sanji's best feat is extreme diffing queen a yc2 which is a level below yc1 that is fucking marco
Common W
We are here for a meal
i'd like to watch gojo versus law
Sanji victims going at it 🥶🥶
marco wins extreme insane diff, case closed
Marco vs. Itach andi King vs Uub
Sanji victims fighting
Restless, thank you so much for these vids, I know you have a personal life and such. So please don't forget about your mental and physical health from time to time. Also great vid I REALLy enjoyed it, seeing you and IMO ( another one piece UA-camr) make the same observations but different conclusions was nice. Thank you for the great vid, do a collaboration, and god bless.
thanks bro
This loud ahh outro gotta be on purpose bruhh
Does Marco have acoc? No
Can/did Marco injure king at all? No
Does marco have the stamina to outlast king? No
Marco does have stamina to outlast King, though. Marco has some of the best stamina feats on Onigashima, aside from the Yonko level fighters.
@@aniketarun6061 ok but nothing king has done or failed to do prove he has worse stamina than marco,
Marco fought for the entire length of the war but he burnt out in the end just like Luffy did
@@Gravity_Ws_only and King only fought seriously against Zoro for 10 minutes and didnt want to bet on stamina and wanted to end the battle really fast.
Also King when doing some attacks and to actually hit Marco HAS to turn flames off. The only time King cut Marco was with a sneak attack. The other times Marco was handling both King and Queen in terms of speed.
@@lyhunter2277 speed key word,of course he’s faster,he was scraping with the light admiral but he ain’t doing damage,also 10 minutes is crazy,it was at least 30 min or smth,he knew zoro was going to catch up to him at some point so might as well try to finish the fight while he still can
I thought the first was gonna start and... Marco disappeared???? 😭😭😭😭
*Fight was gonna start lol 😆😆
Both are Yonji victims
Someone please explain how ruble looks like a liquid leaking out from under king mask near his chin with his flames on his back that was obviously oda showing Marco flames are capable of damaging him in a 2v1 with his unique flames agenda piece has y’all downplaying Marco to another lvl king also has the worst battle iq he could’ve beat zoro if he keep his flames on to outlast zoro but he’s just stupid Marco slams high-extreme diff😂
King didn't shut his flames because he has low battle iq he did it because he had no choice
@@parmar__12 he was using the same flame dragon attack with fire on his back when he killed the fodder so he’s capable of using it he’s just stupid😂
@@Luffymynika11 and you think scale of both those attacks was same 😂😂😂
@@parmar__12 he literally used the same attack king has no bag his final move was extra large version of the same attack he used on fodder which isn’t stronger than kaido boro breath Marco easily blocked to save nami😂
@@Luffymynika11 he literally used same attack?
😂😂
Mfer literally said extra large imperial flames and put everything he had in that atta k and he says it's the same attack
Ur wrong but its ok, i forgive u.
Perfect answer
You put that shit to rest 🛌💤😂 yohohoho
4:05 exactly no one understands durability and endurance they are similar but not the same. Another factor is stamina
Exactly bro 💯
Durability is toughness to prevent damage.
Endurance is how much you can take damage/pain and still keep going.
Stamina is how long you can fight with getting tired.