@@michaelvavra1651 that’s not true. Most Naruto characters are stronger in the Boruto era, including Naruto and Sasuke (before they lost Kurama and the Rennigan).
@@RaginBajan neither because that proves nothing, hes just flexing his chakra and unlike what the fans claim sasuke isnt scared, hes just getting ready for a fight
@RaginBajan yea, we learned that a fatigued sasuke who lost his cursemark that he mastered over of the course of 3 years lost to one of the strongest people In the verse at the time who praised sasuke as one of the toughest people he fought. Let's not forget that he didn't even train his ms at all before fighting killer bee while being physically fatigued and still not being fully healed from his itachi fight yet still dodged lariat twice and only got damaged badly when he let his guard down. But go on Try downplaying another way. it's 2024 we have hear all these sasuke downplay comments, stop leaving out context and downplay using a different method
I think sometimes we leave out how intelligent these Kage. I do think it’s possible for Tobirama to figure out how to rid of jugo and suigetsu. Sasuke isn’t always going to counter perfectly to every situation. I think he’s fast enough to attack some of the others while they are off guard whether it be through clones or various other techniques. I just don’t get how nothing Tobirama would throw at them wouldn’t lead to some of them dying.
So I think this scenario depends on how fast you think Tobirama is with FTG. If you think he's comparable to KCM 1 Naruto or even a Mastered version with FTG then the avatar and Susanoo should still be a bit faster than him since they eclipse their users in speed. So I personally think not all of team taka is walking away from a fight with either Tobirama or Hiruzen. Ngl that liquifying jutsu of suigetsu's is crazy inconvenient but at least Jugo should be folded by Tobirama and Hiruzen before getting folded.
Tobiramas Cleary one of the smartest Characters in the Show... he invented Flying Raijin Shadow clones Edo Tensei but he would probably lose to Kisame, 4th Raikage Ay, and Killer Bee
@@isshinkurosaki252 we’ve seen him move at same speeds as Minato in the war when they made different strategies using the technique. Every time Minato did something tobjtama complemented him and then immediately was able to adapt and move accordingly doing the exact same stuff Minato does.
Interesting idea for a video would be what’s the strongest era of the leaf. Between tobiramas time as a kage, Hiruzens first stint, minatos stint, Hiruzens second stint pre uchiha massacre, post massacre, pre and post konoha crush, pre and post kakuzu fight, and pre and post pain invasion.
The strongest era of the leaf is whenever both Indra & Ashura incarnates are within the village. So if we are leaving out Boruto era, which would be the clear winner, then It would be the beginning days of the leaf... Hashirama Tobirama Madara Hiruzen Kagami Sasuke Sarutobi
As a note, Hiruzen didn't stop an Edo summon in part 1. Minato couldn't be summoned, his soul was not accessible. The reaper had it, not the pure lands.
I had a couple people comment this, I should have addressed it, both are actually the case. Orochimaru and Hiruzen both note how the Third stopped the Third Summoning, it just wouldn't have worked. Sly way for Kishimoto to write that in essentially but, they're not mutually exclusive, He stopped the Edo but, wouldn't have worked anyway. Neither character was aware of Minato's soul not being accessible at this point in time.
@@ThunderGodTG Wouldn't that more support the Jutsu failing outright rather than Hiruzen stopping it? Orochimaru is likely just completely ignorant about the fact that his jutsu didn't work due to lack of the soul since I honestly don't see how anything Hiruzen did would have undone the jutsu otherwise. And Hiruzen obviously isn't an expert on the jutsu since while he recognizes it he doesn't know that he could undo the contract seals and give them free will. I honestly think this is like a card game where you fail the summoning requirements and it just fizzles.
The anime portrays it differently but, the way it happened was Hiruzen stopped the coffin from appearing with earth style, the anime showcases what would have likely happened with Kabuto in the filler Power, where he has the corpses for the edo tensei but the Jutsu doesn’t activate to Kabuto’s dismay as it isn’t perfected yet and they go away, which is what would have happened here. All hiruzen did was block the coffin from appearing and it wouldn’t have worked anyway. He CAN block the coffins it’s just that this specific scenario it didn’t matter, Minato’s corpse would have just been in the coffin not moving and the coffin would have disappeared, he can block them from appearing.
I love your vids TG you prolly don’t recognize me but I’m always in your comments and you and horizon are major reasons I started my own Naruto Chanel thank you bro
I be seeing you brother, I appreciate the support you get to 100 Subs we’ll do a collab 🔥✊🏻 I dropped a sub as well also extremely humbling to hear that
@@sbthesage2100 You're def right TG and New Horizons are always great and that collab lately has been 🔥🔥 I can't wait to scope your channel out now to!
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@@MegaFriendlyCreeper Does Hashirama no diff Jesus? He obviously has summoning jutsu and WAY more durable than anyone in Naruto since he can just keep summoning fish and bread and it doesn't pop while being eaten. Transformation jutsu and clone since he gives people his own flesh and blood, he cast his own edo tensai, flight so he has to be at least a Kekkei Tōta bloodline so maybe he has particle style(?). Doesn't seem to have a lot of AP but does seem hard to put down.
@@if7723 nah Jesus literally died to just having his hands impaled sasuke endured much worse also it took him 3 days to cast izanagi which won't even be of use if he has no attack potency and dies instantly and all his summons are fodder. Shoutouts to him for healing blind people and sh.t but when it comes to fighting he fodder fr
It's super out of character for hashirama but I just imagined a similare scene to Gokage vs Madara. * Hashirama creates wood clones * "So would you like to have each clone use 1000 hands buddha statue and senju-mode?" * Taka proceeds to get completly obliterated * Like I said that wouldn't happen but would be a funny parallel 😂
Yo can you do War Arc Taka v Kabuto and War Arc Taka v War Obito? Basically in scenario one instead of having Itachi he has the other members of Taka to fight Kabuto with him, in scenario two they take the place of Naruto, Killer B, Kakashi and Might Guy
Love your videos bro! One thing you forgot to mention for EMS Sasuke. His durability is also much higher as he tanked an alive Madara's burning ash justu point blank with no suusano. Meanwhile, the third Hokage, Sage mode Naruto, and other ninjas got blown back and Naruto even said how hot the justu was while Sasuke just lifted his arm still standing in place after the justu launched. EMS is a massive amp and is superior to Sage Mode.
Appreciate it brother ✊🏻 I specifically left that out actually just cause I didn’t think it mattered too much but, it’s a phenomenal showing to be sure 🔥
I got a new video idea. You did a video about the ultimate 5 kage team against madara. Can you do a video about the ultimate 5 kage team against team take and obito at the 5 kage summit
I think even base Hokage Minato has the attack/combat speed and reaction time to take on EMS Sasuke and taka here. I don't think his odds of winning exceed thirty percent but I think he can definitely kill a member or two of Taka before Sasuke inevitably outlasts him or catches him off guard while he's trying to deal with taka and the pressure of Sasuke's Susanoo. Also I don't think their avatar speeds are too relative as like you said Minato is more so comparable to a Sage Mode KCM 2 Naruto.
I think Kakashi bodies Taka as Hokage. Let's be real, the other members of Taka are irrelevant besides Sasuke. So really, I think Kakashi could one-shot the rest of them before taking on Sasuke 1 on 1. It depends on what kind of fight you want it to be because if you are assuming it's an open battlefield with nowhere to hide, then it will make things more difficult for Kakashi given his fighting style but I don't think it's enough to make him start sweating. If it's an in-character, in-universe fight, Kakashi would likely be in some place where he can attack from the shadows and only Sasuke would have a shot in hell of reacting to him. He has the purple lightning, which is already stated to be far above his Lightning Blade in strength and is pretty much an instant kill on whoever he hits with it. So, since Hokage Kakashi no longer has his chakra being drained from the Sharingan, I feel like he can legit no-diff the rest of Taka besides Sasuke. Moreover, Hokage Kakashi scales to Boruto-era characters, who are FAR beyond anything in the War Arc besides Kaguya and Ten Tails Madara (even then, many villains would body those two which is ridiculous but oh well). If we're talking EMS Sasuke, I think he loses unless he activates the Susanoo off the start. How Kakashi gets past the Susanoo without Kamui is debatable, whether his Purple Lightning could pierce it, or maybe if Kakashi could go underground and pull Sasuke out which we know is a weakness of Susanoo's that don't fly or aren't perfect. I wouldn't include Rinnegan Sasuke because at that point you might as well give Kakashi DMS since that's using Six Paths chakra at that point. The problem is Hokage Kakashi is mostly words rather than actual feats. In the manga I don't think he's even done anything yet (but I heard they said that Kakashi will play a pivotal role in the story at some point, so we'll see there), and all the stuff in the anime he does is *technically* non-canon, but if you want to take that then Kakashi is easily beating Taka since he makes Boruto villians scared for their life LMAO (I forget which guy it was, but one of them was like, "I didn't think I would have to risk my life like that"). So yeah, based off what people have said, I think Kakashi wins most times, if not all times.
Suigetsu is probably going down first, Juugo and Sasuke would probably give him the most problems. Karin from what I've seen is basically useless beside for her healing powers.
I totally agree on that kakashi statement. I definitely think he is stronger than his war arc form because he trained for 20 years, but there is absolutely no world in where he’s stronger than when he had dms. Idk why some people try to make that argument.
Bro definitely did not just let someone run through him, he literally just conceded he was stronger than Hashirama, with Tobirama being an inferior to Hashirama
@jeremyexpiritu5668 he did tag Juubito with a ftg mark and 5 paper bombs as well. He didn't get completely annihilated. Plus, Juubito gets tagged with ftg multiple times afterwards by Tobirama. So I'd say he got the most amount of return out of getting "blitzed".
You saying that tobirama doesn't blitz sasuke is wrong, 1. Tobirama did multiple teleportations before his susanoo that were his clones which he stated were slower at using FTG. 2. The tandem paperbomb would shake sasuke to mush in the susanoo. 3. Tandem paperbombs can be escaped by tobirama, its used in conjunction with edo because its a great combo. Its like how he can use clones to take the bombs but thats wasting chakra. 4. Tobirama has all 5 natures, lighting is no issue to counter suigetsu. 5. Tobirama also surprises obito multiple times whilst teleportating. It was like you were denying all his feats to make sasuke win. 6. Infinate darkness jutsu blocks all senses and if it could be reversed, "the professor" eould have done it. Its literally for uchiha, read the description of the jutsu. Tobirama makes a clone for each with the original going after sasuke, Infinate darkness jutsu into FTG to decapitate them. Sasuke at that point in the war cant react to tobirama.
The only thing I really want to say is that I don’t think the periphery members (Jugo, Suigetsu, Karin) are really going to contribute much to the fight against Hiruzen or Tobirama, just as the other battles (barring healing + cursemark amp) If you argue they are Sanin level, then fair enough, but I feel as though those showings are inconsistent, and a part of a general trend of creep in the war; if we’re not highballing those 3 to such a degree, I can’t see any of them actually being able to tag or even force the other 2 to really do anything. I think it would really come down to Orochimaru and Sasuke launching attacks, and the 2 responding, with the 3 only getting them out of tight spots like they did against Bee. I can’t see those 3 actually surviving against opponents of that calibre, considering how badly Suigetsu melted against Hashi and Tobi’s chakra, and how Bee had the 3 (if you don’t believe they jumped tiers in that short timespan) shitting themselves in just base and V1.
Tobirama activation speed of flying rajin is the same as Minato. The only thing Minato improved is the seals that stays forever and the kunais being able to have multiple points to teleport to
Love your videos btw keep them going i just didnt agree with minato everything else was good love these Hebi/taka teams vs someon videos even tho i dont agree all the time they are verry original and cool to watch you can make other videos like the strongest kage vs akatsuki lile 1 kage from every village exept naruto and hashirama vs akatsuki or other people keep it going!
Yea, to be fair hashirama would completely destroy the whole room toghether when they were reanimated .. that means all at full power including kcm minato with sage mode. Hell even hvae him marked for tobirama and minato from the get go and there is no diference. Stringest character in the verse. And that is at like 80% power massively nerfed from edo
Who would win if War Arc Taka with EMS Sasuke fought against The Sound 4, Healthy Kimimaro, P1 Kabuto and P1 Orichimaru (with/without Edō Tensei)? Or Team Hebi vs. Sound 4 + Healthy Kimimaro
This video is old but I would like to say that Suigetsu states that he is made out of water. Not that he transforms into it which is actually insane when you think about it since basically none of the kage can hit him (other than Hiruzen and Hashirama) unless they use ninjutsu since they don't have lightning release.
Hashirama bodies(Indra genjutsu never works against ashura) Tobirama/team sasuke wins high diff Minato demolishes or low diff at most Hiruzen gets smoked Hokage kakashi gets beaten mid diff Tsunade gets blitzed Naruto….. do I have to say it?
Here's my main issue Hiruzen in lore he knows evedy single jutsu in the leaf and he's powerful af yata yata yata but we never see it so we have no frame of reference it sucks cuz we can't accurately scale him next to others.
@@lucario2able But I don't think he'll know other jutsus like those of Nara or Inuzuka. If that statement still means anything, I think it means that he knows all of the jutsus of the Leaf that are available to learn by ninjas of the highest rank of allowance possible (be it jounin, ANBU or hokage). If that's true, he even has to know FTG, although he won't have to know Edo Tensei because it is completely forbidden.
@didack1419 Forbidden to everyone except the Hokage haha. Idk I'd say knowing all the justu in the village that he could learn would mean he can know a bunch but not use it or some he may not be able to use lile the FTG. There's no real reason why he wouldn't use it unless he just couldn't or if he chose to not. Lile maybe FTG just doesn't go well with his style of combat or maybe he respected Tobirama and Minato and chose to not use it. It's hard to say.
Kcm minato gets claped sasuke can solo him he is only hype no real showing he gets claped by obito and sasuke fights on par with naruto against him and does much much better the rest of taka can just enjoy the show 🤣🤣🤣
@@nanyohristov4818 Minato had a mental nerf while fighting obito greatly hindering his ability to fight obito his own student who he felt he failed. So he was not at his strongest against obito
@@javonscruggs8233 thats just excuse he didnt show anything special and showed how weak he is cause kakahai was mentaly nerfed too but he grew some balls and fought obito ready to kill him so he can save the world and that's still no excuse for minato performing so poorly naruro, sasuke and tobirama did wayyyyy beter then him so thats the facts accept them
Interesting video topic, don't really see this one and did forget that was one of the cutscenes well at least Sasuke taking on Hashirama mainly. For me, honestly this depends on how you scale EMS Sasuke. Even War Arc Orochimaru (even if he's scaled to Sage Kabuto) would be weaker than any of the Hokage during their Hokage reigns (minus Tsunade) and the other 3 Taka members wouldn't be of much help since the gap is that wide. Not to say they aren't strong cause I do think all 3 would be stronger than an elite jonin level fighter (i.e. part 1 Kakashi. This is of course Karin with the chains) but considering all 7 Hokage during their reigns are at Beyond Sannin Level or higher with everyone minus Tsunade much stronger than Pain level. So in my opinion, if you go buy the argument that EMS Sasuke early in the war (pre-Juubito) is only scaling to Mastered KCM, then he's for sure only beating Tsunade and by himself would lose to any of the other Hokage (would beat Old and probably beat Edo Hiruzen but not Prime Hiruzen). Adding in Taka + War Orochimaru they probably still lose to everyone else albeit potential mid-high diff fights for Tobirama and Minato NOW, I believe Sasuke truly is just holding back until Naruto and him unleash there full power against Juubito. Here, he's relative if not just blatantly equal to Bijuu Sage Naruto who even this Naruto is getting a slight amp by Minato's Kurama half. This Sasuke by himself is would clear Tobirama and Minato (even KCM Edo Minato) and adding in Taka could potentially take Base Alive Hashirama and Prime Hiruzen if that's where you think Hiruzen's level is at. Prime Hashirama (Edo Sage Hashirama also), Highball Prime Hiruzen, Hokage Kakashi and any version of Hokage Naruto would slap them
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@@emssasukeisunderrated7946 but but minato still is leagues ahead of orochimaru, swigetsu karin and jugo anyway, and ems sasuke was pouting about naruto power which minato showed relativity to, the only time sasuke showed some relativity to naruto was after he get the jugo buff and granted minato would have a slight difficulty, but he has answers for all of them, minato can create clones that also has kcm with ftg etc hes just ready for any of these, besides minato again can get rid of jugo before that
Ppl talk about edo tensei in normal battles like the jutsu dosen't need preparation. Like, how is tobirama or orochimaru gonna use edo tensei if they didn't have it summoned previously?
I think in the war arc Orochimaru vidoes it could be safe to assume he can have some Edo tensei bodies at his disposal. Not the 1st and 2nd Hokage cause he had no control over them. Edo Minato is, a bit overwhelming for Oro with his KCM2 . But aside from that he could have : - the sound four, even probably Kimimaro. - 4th Kazekage Rasa, since he assassinated him. - Hiruzen. - maaaaaaaybe the 3rd Kazekage too, but it is more a filler feat from Orochimaru than a canon feat. - 1 kind of headcanon, Dan, Tsunade's boyfriend. Since he planned on exchanging his Edo Tensei to Tsunade. And they would have the same refined Edo tensei capabilities that the Edo Tensei Hokages had when Oro summoned them. War arc revived Orochimaru is kind of interesting.
I dont think it matters that much because minato is faster than a lot of them anyway and if considering the reanimation jutsu requires a summoning contract, minato can actually sever the contract of the edo and orochimaru by just touching him, thats gonna be an issue foe orochimaru, as for karin and jugo, they have no chance close range and from a distance their jutsu are too slow and weak, minato in base is teleporting away ten tails bijuu bombs, nothing jugo or swigetsu does is on that scale, the only real issue is sasuke who without jugos cursemark is crippled by inferiority to naruto, minato in his kcm avatar showed relativity to naruto in Bijuu sage mode kyuubi avatar, plus minato should be faster than naruto since he has the ftg on top of the kcm which made slow ass base naruto faster than the raikage, in base minato is already a issue just because he would mark them and teleport their jutsus even though in base he might lose to sasuke and orochimaru, but with the kyubi that can possibly sit back and collect nature energy while minato fights, its man slaughter minato can do anything he wants there, lets not get into the bijuu damas, the rasangans with the clones and the extra kunais plus minato somewhat relative intellect to orochimaru and sasuke in enginuity and knowledge in combat, war arc taka gets slapped by kcm2 minato no doubt
It's quite possible that Sasuke can use the Perfect Susanoo, even before getting the Rinnegan but I feel like he would only unlock if he had fought Naruto before the S06P Buffs he and Naruto got.
I have a few issues with some of the scaling. 1. Tobirama....Izuna (Madara Brother he killed) is stated to be Madaras equal. So Tobirama at minimum scales to MS Madara strength wise. EMS Madara far outclassed him tho. So what I am saying is if we think base Madara beats Sasuke Tobirama also does. Speaking of Madara Madara has Hashirama sage mode the entire war arc. So what we are seeing is an even stronger version of Madara. In Edo he was still less than Hashirama (which means Hashirama sage mode is likely stronger). But that also checks out with my Tobirama point as he couldn't deal with any higher buff to Madara as Madara (being equal at his MS level) since the power gap is too great. I think all of this supports my argument that Tobirama likely beats Taka with mid to high difficulty. He was also prepared to kill them when he first was brought back. Which to me implies he didn't feel like he couldn't beat them. I think Hiruzen is in his prime from the sense that Edo him is stronger than his version that fought Oro in the original because of Zetsu/Hashirama body that was used for his Edo. I think Hebi beats him but I think its high difficulty. Kakashi I think gets spited. Orochimaru is stronger using Zetsu body. Orochimaru always put the fear in Kakashi and Orochimaru is stronger than he has ever been. In fact I think Orochimaru could solo Kakashi in the War Arc. Now I think post war arc is a different matter. Tsunade loses but she takes one or 2 with her. Likely Karen or Judy Minato I think is closer to Sasuke than most give credit for. I think if he wins its high difficulty. I don't think Sasuke was fearing Naruto power but more surprised that he took such a jump even after he got EMS. Remember he saw Naruto before after his fight with Danzo and was calculating based off of that. So I think it was more of a "when I last saw him he was using base chakra how did he get this much chakra and control so quickly" (it probably was only a few days to a week since he last saw him). I also don't think there is anything stopping Oro from giving Sasuke a curse mark again mid battle and since he has had one he wouldn't suffer through it and would be able to use it to instantly amp him instead of Jugo just funneling it into his Susanoo. He isnt beating Sasuke with ease and I think as long as the others can stall him out he will be fine. Suigetsu and Oro protect Karin Jugo supports Sasuke. If Sasuke takes a massive hit Orochimaru can stall and buy them time (use Edo if nothing else) and allow Karin to heal Sasuke back. Then Sasuke proceeds to fight again. I think they eventually wear him down. I am gonna trust that at worst Minato has RDS and can just end the match that way but I think that fight is harder than most are giving. I also don't think the speed difference is massive between him and Tobirama. Battle speed for battle speed they are virtually equal. But travel distance in a straight line I think Minato is faster but its more like (as an example) one car driving 65 MPH and the other driving 60. I think Taka looks like this Loses Hashirama (100%) Minato 65/35 (Minato wins it more just based off Hax RDS at worst to finish them. I fully accept he could clone and just RDS them and they wouldn't be able to stop him if he wanted to get a 100% victory but that isn't in character) 50/50 (depends on how you view or scale) Tobirama (depends on how you scale Tobirama but I would say Tobirama beats them all 5.5/4.5 Wins Taka get) Kakashi (100%) Hiruzen (35/65 In 100 fights Hiruzen) wins 35 simply because of RDS Tsunade( 100% )
@@Diaster147 honestly any Boruto era kage will stomp anything in Shippuden because of powercreep. It's like the android saga right now and characters are getting so much random powerups. 10% Jigen should be higher than anyone not Six Path level in Shippuden so Taka gets godstomp by Kakashi
Honestly I am sick of this logic...it's like saying Kakuzu bodies anyone who isn't from the war arc because he fought Hashirama and survived and 20 percent of FP Hashirama bodies anyone who isn't from the war arc lol
Orochimaru in the mix alone makes it tough. His healing abilities adding to Karin's chakra replenish. Then adding his sneak attack ability and being a zetsu man he is pretty much unbeatable.
Such a bad matchup for Tobirama. Tobirama has so many hax, but so do all the Taka members. Tobirama is also a genius and amazing battle strategist who has op invented Jutsu... But so is Orochimaru and Sasuke. You can easily argue that Tobirama has better hax and is more intelligent, but enough to say he beats all of them together? I personally think he could high dif it, but its easy to argue the other way around
I think it comes down to the attack order. If he gets Sasuke on the first strike its a cake walk since he can just go down the pecking order and teleport Sasukes body away if needed if he sees someone trying to heal him. If he doesn't get the first strike then he's in trouble. He's got 5 people and however many snake summons to try and deal with all at once and all of them are just freaks by normal Naruto standards.
Dude the ninetails should make up for minato lack of experience with senjutsu, i guess you can argue that the yin half of the ninetails wouldnt know to do that, but minato has a problem with kneeding the chakra, ninetails would just do that for him, the longer the fight persist the mpre accustomed to kcm minato would get so yes he would be able to stack sage mode after a time, the only difference with kcm naruto is naruto has more experience with kcm and minato is not gonna have time to learn about ninetails senjutsu abilities in the middle of a fight with juubito
@@momotheone9700 I think Sasuke could give Minato enough trouble long enough for Jugo to assist with curse mark making it a hard fight for Minato especially with the help of Orochimaru, i do still think Minato is winning though
@@Mrgraduation oh i can see that. Sasuke does have the techniques to keep minato at bay for awhile, i still think its not high high diff but i can see where your coming from, plus orochimaru is very difficult to oake out at any level, team takas survivability is actually insane they might stick around long enough to make it difficult.
Hashirama- Claps, mid dif Tobirama- Gets clapped, low dif for taka Hiruzen- Gets clapped, low diff for taka Minato- Claps, high diff Tsunade- Gets clapped, low diff for taka Kakashi (war arc)- Gets clapped, high diff for taka Kakashi (Hokage)- Claps, mid diff Naruto (war arc)- Claps, mid diff Naruto (Hokage)- Claps, low diff
If you think minato wins then tobirama wins. I never get peoples logic for that. Tobirama is was faster than them all and is capable of reacting to juubito as well as surprising juubito with his speed, knows multitude of jutsu and is a pro at fighting uchiha as well as has a strong relationship with the uzumaki to know about them.
@@ajayimoses2495 no, alive tobirama beats alive minato, intelligence, ninjutsu, tactics and chakra. Kcm minato ran out of chakra before tobirama let alone base minato
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You completely missed the point of that segment, the point is we have no idea when Tobirama activated the Jutsu in that scuffle, he could have activated it while madara swung. Jutsu take time to activate no matter how quick.
Bro it’s instant teleportation but, there is a fraction of time no matter how brief where the character has to engage their chakra and activate the jutsu, that being the teleportation itself, and don’t call me slow I don’t mess with that toxic shit. Keep it constructive and be better
@@ThunderGodTG the chakra becomes engaged once you have marked something, so the only thing that takes time when it comes to using flying raijin is marking something (which we know the kunai was already marked) and thinking of teleporting. is that what you mean?
@@ThunderGodTG and i apologize if i came off toxic, you are obviously not slow and you seem to be pretty intelligent. this is a good video also but i’m just so used to tobirama down play that i get triggered if i even remotely feel like it’s happening. plus we know edo tobirama who is slowed had juubito level reaction speed at the very least
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Karin truly plays a pivotal role on team Taka, lord knows where'd they be without her wide scale hacks abilities. I think she alone could take on DMS Kakashi...Hashirama is a joke for her and you know it.
She absolutely tanked that kick from danzo, ate sasuke’s Chidori spear (pause), one shot that wood golem(in her pj’s), one bite from her Karin cells are enough to completely restore tsunade’s hundred healings.
Kakashi tried to Kamui away Deidara's Head but due to his inexperience using Kamui he missed so WA Kakashi who is far beyond Early Shippuden Kakashi would easily be able to Kamui peoples heads off
Hiruzen didn’t stop the edo tensei in part 1. Minato just couldn’t be brought back since he died using the reaper death seal and wasn’t in the normal death realm or whatever.
Hiruzen did block the Third one, I implore you to re - read the fight, it just wouldn't have worked. It's one of those Kishimoto clearly wrote in after the fact in the story. Just because his soul is in the Reaper Death Seal doesn't mean Hiruzen didn't block or that Orochimaru knew that. Not mutually exclusive at all.
Wait why would it fail orochimaru summoned the third and fourth in the war despite the fact they both died using the reaper death seal. Did i miss something that happened in between that time
The 4ths Soul/Spirit was in the Reaper Death Seal, neither character at this point knew this. Its one of those thing Kishimoto clearly wrote in after the fact that works without jeopardizing the story.
Itachi ~ Sasuke ~ KCM1 Naruto, you can maybe say Sasuke got a hatred amp but, generally Itachi was even > to Sasuke in the Kabuto fight. Also why would we assume Naruto in a war isn’t moving at his absolute max speed? Even if he wasn’t you would just say Sasuke isn’t either as there’s situations where he’s blatantly faster than that KCM1
Thank you gave excellent analysis except on the third hokage. In his Edo tensei form he was able to go against the Gizamado statue Which is basically the ten tails husk. An entire platoon of younger capable Ninja weren't able to do this he just makes five shadow clones and does it effortlessly
Appreciate it ✊🏻 he never fights the Gedo statue? It doesn’t appear after it turns into the ten tails until Madara summons it again where he just uses it to become the ten tails Jinchuriki. He only fights Guru Guru’s Buddha
I'm confused how does Minato solo taka if kcm2 Minato isnt stronger than ems sasuke by himself? Surely Karin on top of orochimaru would be more than enough to overwhelm Minato. No to mention jugo and suigetsu. Sasuke would be plenty to deal with by himself. If sasuke has taka they no diff Minato. And before you say Minato was stronger than Naruto, I'll tell that's impossible because Minato wasn't capable of defeating juubito alongside sasuke, like Naruto. Obito actually proceeded to physically AND verbally shit on minato, while base sage mode naruto was blitzing obito. Granted he had help from tobirama, but that pretty much wraps up the whole naruto vs Minato debate in my opinion. So If ems sasuke was a rival to sm kcm2 naruto, than sasuke is arguably either definitely stronger than kcm2 Minato, or at the very least, equal to kcm2 Minato. I know people usually wank the hell out of Minato, but that was one of the most forced power scaling debates I've ever heard. The way he just casually dismissed Karin's chains, on top of orochimarus 8 headed surpant, on top of jugos sage Chakra, on top of ems sasuke, who is a rival to kcm2 naruto... Yet dismissed all of taka with only a tailed beast bomb? The strongest tailed beast bomb Minato could muster up isn't even strong enough to one shot sasuke. Sasuke was prepared to tank juubitos tailed beast bomb with just the ribcage of the susano... if sasuke has all of taka in his full body suasno they're easily tanking a tailed beast bomb from kcm2 Minato... other than that little fan service, this video was facts.
Bruv Sasuke was a rival to Naruto with a 10x buff from Jugo and Naruto’s Kyuubi chakra amping stop it, Minato had neither of those and was a rival, Karin’s chains are only a portion of Kushinas in terms of strength, they’re not restraining Minato. Sasuke was able to do rival Naruto in perception and in minor attacks.
@@ThunderGodTG what in the headcannon!? Where was It stated that jugo's sage Chakra buffed sasuke by 10x? And we definitely don't have a canon multiplier for kurama's chakra cloak that he gave to everyone in the war. You yourself used a whole lot of headcannon to try and scale the shinobi who were given kuramas chakra. But I was under the impression that jugo's sage Chakra was only necessary to damage the 10 tails. Meaning in theory sasuke could easily just fought along side naruto without jugo, IF he had his own nature Chakra to damage juubito with.
@@ThunderGodTG the fact that base sage mode naruto was strong enough to damage juubito also supports my theory. Jugo wasn't buffing sasuke, he was just giving him the nature chakra to damage the jinchuriki of the 10 tails.
I have to disagree with your Hiruzen analysis. Not about Hiruzen himself but with EMS Sasuke performing better than a more mastered KCM Naruto. That just isn't true at all. We know it isn't. Naruto shared his chakra with everyone in the alliance, including Sasuke. As well as fighting for a full day. Sasuke even got jealous of Naruto being so powerful even while Naruto was fatigued because Sasuke gained all this power and was still out done by Naruto.
When I say more mastered KCM I’m referring to the KCM1 that Sasuke was fighting alongside, they were moving at the same speeds, throwing at Jutsu with relative potency to where they can combo, with Sasuke even saving said Naruto a few times. It’s only when Naruto goes KCM2 does Sasuke feel insecure and require Jugo’s assistance to match.
@@ThunderGodTG Even still it doesn't change anything. Naruto is nerfed for Sasuke to even come close to matching up to him again at this point Naruto had already shared his chakra with everyone in the alliance including Sasuke. Meaning Sasuke actually had a buff from Naruto. Not only that but later you mention about Sasuke being relative to Tobirama and then you mention him having the curse mark from Jugo, well even then he's amped by Naruto AND Jugo. Like in both cases you have to give Sasuke every benefit of the doubt. I'm not even saying that I totally disagree you just have clear Sasuke bias when he's given multiple amps and you talk about it like he's so good. Like you're saying he out performed Naruto but like Naruto was weakened and had already amped Sasuke so it just doesn't really match up when you put it like that.
I feel like prime hiruzen would be able to beat madara. However, he would not be able to beat 10 tails madara and above. But, any lower madara I believe prime hiruzen would win.
Question are these prime hokage cause I don't understand why tsunade was left out of the conversation she one shots most of this crew instantly with the only possible exemptions being jugo and suigetsu because of hacks (which would be dealt with soon after realizing they existed) at worst its 3 hits to sasuke total with susanoo 3 hits to suigetsu cause his turning into water hax on second strike she uses lighting release to make him solid and then obliterate him for this time on the third strike Jugo gets 2 strikes max he blocks the first one because I believe he's faster but the second is point blank most likely double strength cause of his durability and to be extra sure he stays down Everyone else is one shot tbh (yes this orochimaru is too at least to prime tsunade)
Realistically she's just too slow, at her best she's verbatum slower than the Raikage who Sasuke would be faster than (Sasuke being on par with a Stronger KCM Naruto than the one that Blitzed past or was ~ to the Raikage) Where he could employ his win condition. To take it a step further Sasuke is shown on par with Sakura who's implied to have surpassed Tsunade at this point. When Hashirama makes the statement about her strength Shizune who knows Tsunade's capabilities doesn't deny it but, instead adds on to it giving semblance that she agrees. She also only breaks Madara's Susanoo with Combo strings of Jutsu to weaken it with the other Kage so it's highly unlikely she'd break Sasuke's. He'd probably just blitz to her and use an Enton Sword. This ignores Orochimaru and the rest of Taka as well just shooting attacks out in conjunction.
@@ThunderGodTG here's the problem with all of that it ignores her overall durability as a fighter in the first scenario let's say she gets blitzed by sasuke and he uses an endon sword to stab her a very likely response would be her pulling a stunt like she did with mandara where she breaks the sword (assuming the sword still has a solid mass after passing through her) she chucks it back at the group or at sasuke (though I think his susanoo would protected him from it at least for a while if he's dumb enough to not just end amateratsu right there) after that sh kinda just does what I said she does only on fire (100 healings only needs to stall her burning to death as she punches each of them to death) For the mandara feat down play its heavily implied that tsunade was doing the heavy lifting in that fight everyone else was basically being an annoyance to mandara with the exception of ay who was boosted by onoki so I can't count that too much and when she broke through mandara's susanoo she also continued with enough force to RIP him in half had he not been edo the fight would've ended right there. The sakura statement seems to imply that she surpassed tsunade cause of her not needing to use her chakra reserves to maintain her looks and still being able to output similar if not greater feats than tsunade which is why hashirama and shizune are stunned at her growth it could also be a reference to her as a Genin (hadhirama) or a jonin (post war) in the case of shizune to be clear I think the Genin interpretation would be insane but that's the reasonable time I could put hashiramas observation of her since he's been dead most of her life. Also underestimating sakura or sasuke at this point I think sakura did match sasuke who would be at the level of a sage or slightly below going off the selfie stick fight lol Tl;dr when you take into account other context tsunade herself is a lot stronger than she seems. We also need to understand how broken her abilities actually are and take into battle tactics as well. Also don't get me wrong I like the video I even understand why you wouldn't include certain hokage (looking at naruto lol) cause taka would get no diffed but here with tsunade I think it's pretty up in the air but personally based on abilities hacks and over all in character strategies 8/10 times tsunade wins this 1/10 times it's a draw and the remaining 1/10 war arc taka beats her high difficulty
@@theforgotton_mle3903 Madara literally just played with tsunade though, Sasuke is just straight up faster than her and he won't just look at her and tell her she's weaker than hashirama, he could very well slice her in half with his speed, use susanoo arrow on her, put her in genjutsu, use amaterasu on her the second her body is injured and can't move as fast anymore (keep in mind her fastest speed is still slower than sasuke) so sasuke alone would take her easily. Then you got suigetsu who is a counter to her cuz physical attacks don't work on him, jugo can assist sasuke and give him curse mark sage mode thus boosting the strongest member in the team who is already stronger than tsunade by himself, Karin can heal the squad and orochimaru is yet another sannin who can also use edo tensei. Don't give tsunade too much credit for enduring a few minutes with madara who wasn't even taking 5 kage at the same time serious
Naruto power levels are no longer canon once the war arc starts. Straight Dragonball super bullshit. Post war cat in a tree is more powerful than 4th war Madara.
1st>3rd>2nd>4th Above is the power level for first 4 hokage And saying naruto have more practice with kcm then minato is laughable, minato never had kcm when he alive😂 its just a buff minato needed other wise he won't stand against those guys. Its like danzo get reivived and come back with rinnegan 😅
I can see them taking Kakashi, Tsunade, and Hiruzen the rest of the Hokage pretty much stomp them. Kakashi is only stronger by having more chakra otherwise he took a huge nerf to his abilities. Tobimara does somewhat scale to Madara.
Kakashi is stated to be stronger overall the statement is very clear about him being beyond WA Kakashi in fact its implied Kakashi in the Kakashi Hiden Novel(which takes place 1 year after the WA) is relative to WA Kakashi
@@diamantemrobinson Not really Hokage Kakashi has his own abilities that can contend with WA Kakashi Fire style Water mist for instance it destroyed Six Paths Powered Water(Enough to flood a country) (This counters Kamui pretty well as Hokage Kakashi can use this continuously which would force WA Kakashi to use Kamui continuously and this would come down to a stamina battle in this case which Hokage Kakashi would win) He can create thunderstorms with Shiden while Exhausted & Injured (Counter to any variant of Raikiri WA Kakashi could use) His Mud walls can be immune to Lightning style by turning them into quartz (also counters Raikiri) And while Kamui would be a threat to Hokage Kakashi he does have a major counter to Kamui in the use of Shadow clones(which Hokage Kakashi can make great use off) and due to Hokage Kakashi being significantly faster then WA Kakashi he will be able to employ all these options while WA Kakashi will struggle to deal with these abilities Hokage Kakashi should also be multiple blitz tiers above WA Kakashi due to him Blitzing Kahyo who can Blitz a Shadow clone of Base Naruto(and mind you this is post WA Base Naruto who later goes on to swap hands with Toneri(without the Tenseigan) (Obviously it was a shadow clone but still impressive)
Jubito can be faster but weaker. Being the strongest doesn't automatically make you the fastest. You saying that Lee is slower than Garra because Garra is stronger?
This can be true doesn’t mean it is, Jubito is faster and stronger, bro literally ran through Sasuke’s susanoo and was blitzing KCM Minato, even Minato says his power is dreamlike, saying he’s weaker is just wrong
There’s literally no way to quantify the 8 Headed Hydra except that it’s stronger than Orochimaru, 1 v 1 Orochimaru got decimated by Hiruzen in their fight, specifically the sequence when they are trading blows with the Grasslong sword and Enma. Orochimaru was literally just watching Hiruzen fight the Edo’s and fatigue himself for a majority of the fight.
Hashirama bodies(Indra genjutsu never works against ashura) Tobirama/team sasuke wins high diff Minato demolishes or low diff at most Hiruzen gets smoked Hokage kakashi gets beaten mid diff Tsunade gets blitzed Naruto….. do I have to say it?
I’m going to be totally honest with you … Minato and tobimaru should win pretty easily like flying rajin isn’t a “ run fast technique “ it’s a teleporting one so sasuno won’t stop someone from getting inside so tobimaru is taking heads and Minato is bodying them with no difficulty
The difference between Minato and Tobirama is that Minato is stacking his enhanced Combat Speed with KCM and flying Rajin whereas Tobirama just teleports. They both have to mark their opponents or have kunai in place where their opponent is. They don’t just teleport randomly like Sasuke with his Amenotajikara
@@ThunderGodTG Minato without kurama will beat taka and if you are going with how they actually fight sasuke will not just bust out his sasuno … the strongest opponent he had in the series (naruto) he didn’t even do that and he knew how strong naruto was. This is exactly how it’ll go It’ll start off hand to hand( the moment Minato or tobimaru touches him they will place that seal on him) ggs. And if you try to say he’s just randomly busting it out …… he still can’t catch them lol they are teleporting faster then the speed of light essentially with minimal chakra usage while the sasuno doesn’t have that feature . Especially when we have seen Minato teleporting away a bijuu bomb from a full powered kurama ( this is the fight when he stomps obito who would stomp this group) lol flying rajin is a bad matchup for anyone especially if they aren’t just OVERFLOWING WITH POWER .
@@ThunderGodTG my personal opinion the only one they are beating is tsunade and I wouldn’t even say that’s easy because if she’s tanking rinnegan madera sasuno swords then ems sasuke and his team will not be killing her no time soon like all she will need is one hit but that’s iffy
@@ThunderGodTG also I believe a lot of kishimtos work has been retconned a lot like the whole oroachimaru being the strongest sannin is probably based on just him being more talented he got one shot by itachi(14-15 years old) which isn’t bad like a lot of people are getting one shot by him but if we use the game feats pain shinra tensei him and that’s it . But if we not using game feats I firmly firmly believe jiraiya and tsunade are stronger like his imperfect sage mode and her 100 healings technique out class everything he does until he finally gets a near perfect edo tensai
@@royjones0824 Without his arms and therefore the bulk of his jutsu he was having to keep pace with a drugged Jiraiya nd Tsunade. In a shit tier body no less. He's obviously the strongest at that time if everything is set to their normal levels.
Unfortunately for taka none of them have enough attack potency to put tsunade down permanently other than maybe amaterasu and even that is somewhat questionable. Tsunade one shots every member of taka other than maybe suigetsu and orochimaru but neither of them can actually put her down
Mentioning Kakashi being stronger now than he was in the War Arc was enough for me to subscribe
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Same bro
Facts
To be fair, most Boruto characters are weaker than in Shippuden (Naruto Sasuke heavy nerf, and so on) but Kakashi might not be the case.
@@michaelvavra1651 that’s not true. Most Naruto characters are stronger in the Boruto era, including Naruto and Sasuke (before they lost Kurama and the Rennigan).
Can't believe TG just said sasuke got turned into a selfie stick 😂😂😂
We gotta be honest 😂😂
I mean he isn't wrong XX
I can't remember which said it, but it was either swagkae or seth the programmer, so buddy is mad late
I was referencing that also it's a common meme
Litterally everyone says that shit lol
Tobirama raised a finger, and Taka almost died from shitting so hard that their intestines almost fell out
Turns out powerful chakra doesn't win fights
@Bob Johnson If you didn't know who the Senju brothers were, in that scene, would you think Tobirama was weaker or stronger than Hashirama?
@@RaginBajan neither because that proves nothing, hes just flexing his chakra and unlike what the fans claim sasuke isnt scared, hes just getting ready for a fight
@coin4898 Lmao. You must not have learned anything from the Killer B fight
@RaginBajan yea, we learned that a fatigued sasuke who lost his cursemark that he mastered over of the course of 3 years lost to one of the strongest people In the verse at the time who praised sasuke as one of the toughest people he fought. Let's not forget that he didn't even train his ms at all before fighting killer bee while being physically fatigued and still not being fully healed from his itachi fight yet still dodged lariat twice and only got damaged badly when he let his guard down. But go on
Try downplaying another way. it's 2024 we have hear all these sasuke downplay comments, stop leaving out context and downplay using a different method
You put a great amount of work into these videos, well done.
Thank you friend ✊🏻
I think sometimes we leave out how intelligent these Kage. I do think it’s possible for Tobirama to figure out how to rid of jugo and suigetsu. Sasuke isn’t always going to counter perfectly to every situation. I think he’s fast enough to attack some of the others while they are off guard whether it be through clones or various other techniques. I just don’t get how nothing Tobirama would throw at them wouldn’t lead to some of them dying.
So I think this scenario depends on how fast you think Tobirama is with FTG. If you think he's comparable to KCM 1 Naruto or even a Mastered version with FTG then the avatar and Susanoo should still be a bit faster than him since they eclipse their users in speed. So I personally think not all of team taka is walking away from a fight with either Tobirama or Hiruzen. Ngl that liquifying jutsu of suigetsu's is crazy inconvenient but at least Jugo should be folded by Tobirama and Hiruzen before getting folded.
Tobiramas Cleary one of the smartest Characters in the Show... he invented Flying Raijin Shadow clones Edo Tensei but he would probably lose to Kisame, 4th Raikage Ay, and Killer Bee
@@isshinkurosaki252 we’ve seen him move at same speeds as Minato in the war when they made different strategies using the technique. Every time Minato did something tobjtama complemented him and then immediately was able to adapt and move accordingly doing the exact same stuff Minato does.
hashirama is so strong i can see him beat everyone in that meeting room at the same time. including orochimaro and the other 3 kage
I think it would be a good fight
Interesting idea for a video would be what’s the strongest era of the leaf. Between tobiramas time as a kage, Hiruzens first stint, minatos stint, Hiruzens second stint pre uchiha massacre, post massacre, pre and post konoha crush, pre and post kakuzu fight, and pre and post pain invasion.
Oh I like this, definitely marked this down!
Boruto Era lol
The strongest era of the leaf is whenever both Indra & Ashura incarnates are within the village. So if we are leaving out Boruto era, which would be the clear winner, then It would be the beginning days of the leaf...
Hashirama
Tobirama
Madara
Hiruzen
Kagami
Sasuke Sarutobi
I think you are the only
Person who gives Tobirama the credit he’s due
I honestly just try to be fair, it just really depends on the perception of a lot of people
My phone wanted to translate ^^^^ because that stuff doesn't make any form of sense
@Xay war arc gara> peak tsunade
@Xay Simp
@Xay just no.
"turned into a selfie stick" got my sub😭💀💀
As a note, Hiruzen didn't stop an Edo summon in part 1. Minato couldn't be summoned, his soul was not accessible. The reaper had it, not the pure lands.
I had a couple people comment this, I should have addressed it, both are actually the case. Orochimaru and Hiruzen both note how the Third stopped the Third Summoning, it just wouldn't have worked. Sly way for Kishimoto to write that in essentially but, they're not mutually exclusive, He stopped the Edo but, wouldn't have worked anyway. Neither character was aware of Minato's soul not being accessible at this point in time.
@@ThunderGodTG Wouldn't that more support the Jutsu failing outright rather than Hiruzen stopping it? Orochimaru is likely just completely ignorant about the fact that his jutsu didn't work due to lack of the soul since I honestly don't see how anything Hiruzen did would have undone the jutsu otherwise. And Hiruzen obviously isn't an expert on the jutsu since while he recognizes it he doesn't know that he could undo the contract seals and give them free will. I honestly think this is like a card game where you fail the summoning requirements and it just fizzles.
The anime portrays it differently but, the way it happened was Hiruzen stopped the coffin from appearing with earth style, the anime showcases what would have likely happened with Kabuto in the filler Power, where he has the corpses for the edo tensei but the Jutsu doesn’t activate to Kabuto’s dismay as it isn’t perfected yet and they go away, which is what would have happened here. All hiruzen did was block the coffin from appearing and it wouldn’t have worked anyway. He CAN block the coffins it’s just that this specific scenario it didn’t matter, Minato’s corpse would have just been in the coffin not moving and the coffin would have disappeared, he can block them from appearing.
I love your vids TG you prolly don’t recognize me but I’m always in your comments and you and horizon are major reasons I started my own Naruto Chanel thank you bro
I be seeing you brother, I appreciate the support you get to 100 Subs we’ll do a collab 🔥✊🏻 I dropped a sub as well also extremely humbling to hear that
@@ThunderGodTG this means so much bro I’m definitely gonna keep up the grind and I hope you do too 🤞🏼
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@@sbthesage2100 You're def right TG and New Horizons are always great and that collab lately has been 🔥🔥 I can't wait to scope your channel out now to!
@@mattjones8814 preciate you big dog dropping again tonight or tomorrow lol
Keep Grinding G. I like your energy
Appreciate that ✊🏻🔥 thank you homie
@@ThunderGodTG no doubt! Glad i found your channel. Its dope seeing up and comers
I appreciate the support! Always welcomed and helps me out ✊🏻🔥
@@ThunderGodTG of course! Discord tags on my channel
You underestimate my ability to be randomly mad!
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Told you guys minato kcm is just that dude, he just stomps
The Bible is truth. Please read at least three books of the Bible, Genesis Mathew and one you chose yourself. As you do practice forgiveness, that’s what makes it click. Parents are easiest. They’ve loved you to some degree. It’s actually extremely important to forgive them specifically, that relationship has spiritual significance to God. Remember to break down before Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness too. Please, it’s really important that you do these things as soon as possible. The Bible is truth’
Jesus Christ is Lord,
No tf he don’t 💀
@@cantguardb3498 yes he does its not even close
Love the energy man
Appreciate it brother ✊🏻
The Bible is truth. Please read at least three books of the Bible, Genesis Mathew and one you chose yourself. As you do practice forgiveness, that’s what makes it click. Parents are easiest. They’ve loved you to some degree. It’s actually extremely important to forgive them specifically, that relationship has spiritual significance to God. Remember to break down before Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness too. Please, it’s really important that you do these things as soon as possible. The Bible is truth’
Jesus Christ is Lord,
After so many Swag videos, the disrespect you gave to Sasuke in the Hashirama part was new to the pallette.
The Bible is truth. Please read at least three books of the Bible, Genesis Mathew and one you chose yourself. As you do practice forgiveness, that’s what makes it click. Parents are easiest. They’ve loved you to some degree. It’s actually extremely important to forgive them specifically, that relationship has spiritual significance to God. Remember to break down before Jesus Christ and ask for forgiveness too. Please, it’s really important that you do these things as soon as possible. The Bible is truth’
Jesus Christ is Lord,
@@jamesmayle3787 I don't care what the Bible says, Hashirama no-diffs EMS Sasuke.
@@MegaFriendlyCreeper Does Hashirama no diff Jesus? He obviously has summoning jutsu and WAY more durable than anyone in Naruto since he can just keep summoning fish and bread and it doesn't pop while being eaten. Transformation jutsu and clone since he gives people his own flesh and blood, he cast his own edo tensai, flight so he has to be at least a Kekkei Tōta bloodline so maybe he has particle style(?). Doesn't seem to have a lot of AP but does seem hard to put down.
@@if7723 I don't do crossover power scaling.
@@if7723 nah Jesus literally died to just having his hands impaled sasuke endured much worse also it took him 3 days to cast izanagi which won't even be of use if he has no attack potency and dies instantly and all his summons are fodder. Shoutouts to him for healing blind people and sh.t but when it comes to fighting he fodder fr
I get a half chub anytime you do an orochimaru video thanks for the great vids
LMAO, This shit made me burst out laughing😂
It's super out of character for hashirama but I just imagined a similare scene to Gokage vs Madara.
* Hashirama creates wood clones *
"So would you like to have each clone use 1000 hands buddha statue and senju-mode?"
* Taka proceeds to get completly obliterated *
Like I said that wouldn't happen but would be a funny parallel 😂
Instant L 😂😂
He could just bully em with his bare hands 🤣
Yo can you do War Arc Taka v Kabuto and War Arc Taka v War Obito?
Basically in scenario one instead of having Itachi he has the other members of Taka to fight Kabuto with him, in scenario two they take the place of Naruto, Killer B, Kakashi and Might Guy
Love your videos bro! One thing you forgot to mention for EMS Sasuke. His durability is also much higher as he tanked an alive Madara's burning ash justu point blank with no suusano. Meanwhile, the third Hokage, Sage mode Naruto, and other ninjas got blown back and Naruto even said how hot the justu was while Sasuke just lifted his arm still standing in place after the justu launched. EMS is a massive amp and is superior to Sage Mode.
Appreciate it brother ✊🏻 I specifically left that out actually just cause I didn’t think it mattered too much but, it’s a phenomenal showing to be sure 🔥
Sage mode is heavily underrated as far as the amp it gives.
Bro can you make a video about
Alive itachi and six paths of pain vs 5 kage
Might be fire tbh
Hashirama feats are ridiculous
Isn’t Tobirama’s darkness technique a counter to the sharingan?
Yuh but it’s a little debatable since he does it only in the anime as Hashirama does it in the manga is all
@@ThunderGodTG Hashirama using a genjutsu feels so out of character.
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I got a new video idea.
You did a video about the ultimate 5 kage team against madara.
Can you do a video about the ultimate 5 kage team against team take and obito at the 5 kage summit
I’ve actually gotten this comment a few times so I’ll probably go ahead and do it
@@ThunderGodTG niceeee.
Selfie stick??? Bro... I'm totally subscribing now...
I think even base Hokage Minato has the attack/combat speed and reaction time to take on EMS Sasuke and taka here. I don't think his odds of winning exceed thirty percent but I think he can definitely kill a member or two of Taka before Sasuke inevitably outlasts him or catches him off guard while he's trying to deal with taka and the pressure of Sasuke's Susanoo. Also I don't think their avatar speeds are too relative as like you said Minato is more so comparable to a Sage Mode KCM 2 Naruto.
War arc taka(without orochimaru) loses to every hokage in office except the fifth hokage
You don't give EMS Sasuke his PS?
I think Kakashi bodies Taka as Hokage. Let's be real, the other members of Taka are irrelevant besides Sasuke. So really, I think Kakashi could one-shot the rest of them before taking on Sasuke 1 on 1. It depends on what kind of fight you want it to be because if you are assuming it's an open battlefield with nowhere to hide, then it will make things more difficult for Kakashi given his fighting style but I don't think it's enough to make him start sweating. If it's an in-character, in-universe fight, Kakashi would likely be in some place where he can attack from the shadows and only Sasuke would have a shot in hell of reacting to him.
He has the purple lightning, which is already stated to be far above his Lightning Blade in strength and is pretty much an instant kill on whoever he hits with it. So, since Hokage Kakashi no longer has his chakra being drained from the Sharingan, I feel like he can legit no-diff the rest of Taka besides Sasuke. Moreover, Hokage Kakashi scales to Boruto-era characters, who are FAR beyond anything in the War Arc besides Kaguya and Ten Tails Madara (even then, many villains would body those two which is ridiculous but oh well). If we're talking EMS Sasuke, I think he loses unless he activates the Susanoo off the start. How Kakashi gets past the Susanoo without Kamui is debatable, whether his Purple Lightning could pierce it, or maybe if Kakashi could go underground and pull Sasuke out which we know is a weakness of Susanoo's that don't fly or aren't perfect. I wouldn't include Rinnegan Sasuke because at that point you might as well give Kakashi DMS since that's using Six Paths chakra at that point.
The problem is Hokage Kakashi is mostly words rather than actual feats. In the manga I don't think he's even done anything yet (but I heard they said that Kakashi will play a pivotal role in the story at some point, so we'll see there), and all the stuff in the anime he does is *technically* non-canon, but if you want to take that then Kakashi is easily beating Taka since he makes Boruto villians scared for their life LMAO (I forget which guy it was, but one of them was like, "I didn't think I would have to risk my life like that"). So yeah, based off what people have said, I think Kakashi wins most times, if not all times.
Suigetsu is probably going down first, Juugo and Sasuke would probably give him the most problems. Karin from what I've seen is basically useless beside for her healing powers.
I totally agree on that kakashi statement. I definitely think he is stronger than his war arc form because he trained for 20 years, but there is absolutely no world in where he’s stronger than when he had dms. Idk why some people try to make that argument.
9:37. Blitzed? Tobirama let himself be blitzed by Jubbito to mark him and use papers bombs on him.
Bro definitely did not just let someone run through him, he literally just conceded he was stronger than Hashirama, with Tobirama being an inferior to Hashirama
@ThunderGodTG yeah agree on this, he reacted well to being blitzed tho.
@jeremyexpiritu5668 he did tag Juubito with a ftg mark and 5 paper bombs as well. He didn't get completely annihilated.
Plus, Juubito gets tagged with ftg multiple times afterwards by Tobirama.
So I'd say he got the most amount of return out of getting "blitzed".
You saying that tobirama doesn't blitz sasuke is wrong, 1. Tobirama did multiple teleportations before his susanoo that were his clones which he stated were slower at using FTG. 2. The tandem paperbomb would shake sasuke to mush in the susanoo.
3. Tandem paperbombs can be escaped by tobirama, its used in conjunction with edo because its a great combo. Its like how he can use clones to take the bombs but thats wasting chakra. 4. Tobirama has all 5 natures, lighting is no issue to counter suigetsu. 5. Tobirama also surprises obito multiple times whilst teleportating. It was like you were denying all his feats to make sasuke win. 6. Infinate darkness jutsu blocks all senses and if it could be reversed, "the professor" eould have done it. Its literally for uchiha, read the description of the jutsu.
Tobirama makes a clone for each with the original going after sasuke, Infinate darkness jutsu into FTG to decapitate them. Sasuke at that point in the war cant react to tobirama.
Sure
The only thing I really want to say is that I don’t think the periphery members (Jugo, Suigetsu, Karin) are really going to contribute much to the fight against Hiruzen or Tobirama, just as the other battles (barring healing + cursemark amp)
If you argue they are Sanin level, then fair enough, but I feel as though those showings are inconsistent, and a part of a general trend of creep in the war; if we’re not highballing those 3 to such a degree, I can’t see any of them actually being able to tag or even force the other 2 to really do anything.
I think it would really come down to Orochimaru and Sasuke launching attacks, and the 2 responding, with the 3 only getting them out of tight spots like they did against Bee.
I can’t see those 3 actually surviving against opponents of that calibre, considering how badly Suigetsu melted against Hashi and Tobi’s chakra, and how Bee had the 3 (if you don’t believe they jumped tiers in that short timespan) shitting themselves in just base and V1.
Agreed Jugo is only relevant to amp Sasuke the rest are really not that relevant to the point they can assist like thy
I wish we had prequels of the warring states period and the Minato period to see some of the feats the other Hokage had.
NO! We get Boruto trash instead
@@bobjohnson1633 I consider Boruto as filler so I'm living good.
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Tobirama activation speed of flying rajin is the same as Minato. The only thing Minato improved is the seals that stays forever and the kunais being able to have multiple points to teleport to
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Love your videos btw keep them going i just didnt agree with minato everything else was good love these Hebi/taka teams vs someon videos even tho i dont agree all the time they are verry original and cool to watch you can make other videos like the strongest kage vs akatsuki lile 1 kage from every village exept naruto and hashirama vs akatsuki or other people keep it going!
Appreciate the love, fair enough on the Minato point. I understand completely
Yea, to be fair hashirama would completely destroy the whole room toghether when they were reanimated .. that means all at full power including kcm minato with sage mode. Hell even hvae him marked for tobirama and minato from the get go and there is no diference. Stringest character in the verse. And that is at like 80% power massively nerfed from edo
jugu buffing sasuke with sage chakra or orochi doing it with curse marks is potent against most people
Hold on you think minato wins against sugetsus avatar orochimarus avatar and sasukes avatar ? Maybe it’s a tie ?
Damn, Tsunade gets no love 🥹😭
Who would win if War Arc Taka with EMS Sasuke fought against The Sound 4, Healthy Kimimaro, P1 Kabuto and P1 Orichimaru (with/without Edō Tensei)?
Or Team Hebi vs. Sound 4 + Healthy Kimimaro
Do Kimi's bones defend against infinite black flames?
When I saw the short section of the video I hoped so much that it was ems kakashe, also yeah taka can't touch this
This video is old but I would like to say that Suigetsu states that he is made out of water. Not that he transforms into it which is actually insane when you think about it since basically none of the kage can hit him (other than Hiruzen and Hashirama) unless they use ninjutsu since they don't have lightning release.
Hashirama bodys Tobirama blitzes and minato uses a giant Biju bomb Hiruzen gets clapped tho ngl even with edo
In the video I almost said where is naruto but we all know how that goes
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Hashirama bodies(Indra genjutsu never works against ashura)
Tobirama/team sasuke wins high diff
Minato demolishes or low diff at most
Hiruzen gets smoked
Hokage kakashi gets beaten mid diff
Tsunade gets blitzed
Naruto….. do I have to say it?
@@ajayimoses2495 lmfaooooo dead ass but bro you should go check out the Chanel you seem like someone who likes in depth scaling
Here's my main issue Hiruzen in lore he knows evedy single jutsu in the leaf and he's powerful af yata yata yata but we never see it so we have no frame of reference it sucks cuz we can't accurately scale him next to others.
In canon before retcon, hiruzen old man is able to solo the first two hokage and orochimaru.
No way he knows the secret jutsus of the Leaf.
He definitely doesn't know Aburame's, nor Akimichi's, but I don't think he knows most others
@@didack1419 those are complicated they're treated like kekkei genkai even though they aren't.
@@lucario2able But I don't think he'll know other jutsus like those of Nara or Inuzuka.
If that statement still means anything, I think it means that he knows all of the jutsus of the Leaf that are available to learn by ninjas of the highest rank of allowance possible (be it jounin, ANBU or hokage). If that's true, he even has to know FTG, although he won't have to know Edo Tensei because it is completely forbidden.
@didack1419 Forbidden to everyone except the Hokage haha. Idk I'd say knowing all the justu in the village that he could learn would mean he can know a bunch but not use it or some he may not be able to use lile the FTG. There's no real reason why he wouldn't use it unless he just couldn't or if he chose to not. Lile maybe FTG just doesn't go well with his style of combat or maybe he respected Tobirama and Minato and chose to not use it. It's hard to say.
Hurizen didn't stop orochimaru edo tensis summoning, Minato get summoned because he was stuck in the Shinigami stomach and not in the pure land
It’s a mix of both, he stopped a coffin that would have never worked due to what you said so basically he stopped a dud lmao
Kcm Minato would freakin slap taka
I concur
No questions abt that,
Kcm minato gets claped sasuke can solo him he is only hype no real showing he gets claped by obito and sasuke fights on par with naruto against him and does much much better the rest of taka can just enjoy the show 🤣🤣🤣
@@nanyohristov4818 Minato had a mental nerf while fighting obito greatly hindering his ability to fight obito his own student who he felt he failed. So he was not at his strongest against obito
@@javonscruggs8233 thats just excuse he didnt show anything special and showed how weak he is cause kakahai was mentaly nerfed too but he grew some balls and fought obito ready to kill him so he can save the world and that's still no excuse for minato performing so poorly naruro, sasuke and tobirama did wayyyyy beter then him so thats the facts accept them
Team War ark sasuke beats every hokage except hashirama hands down mid difficulty.
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Interesting video topic, don't really see this one and did forget that was one of the cutscenes well at least Sasuke taking on Hashirama mainly.
For me, honestly this depends on how you scale EMS Sasuke. Even War Arc Orochimaru (even if he's scaled to Sage Kabuto) would be weaker than any of the Hokage during their Hokage reigns (minus Tsunade) and the other 3 Taka members wouldn't be of much help since the gap is that wide. Not to say they aren't strong cause I do think all 3 would be stronger than an elite jonin level fighter (i.e. part 1 Kakashi. This is of course Karin with the chains) but considering all 7 Hokage during their reigns are at Beyond Sannin Level or higher with everyone minus Tsunade much stronger than Pain level.
So in my opinion, if you go buy the argument that EMS Sasuke early in the war (pre-Juubito) is only scaling to Mastered KCM, then he's for sure only beating Tsunade and by himself would lose to any of the other Hokage (would beat Old and probably beat Edo Hiruzen but not Prime Hiruzen). Adding in Taka + War Orochimaru they probably still lose to everyone else albeit potential mid-high diff fights for Tobirama and Minato
NOW, I believe Sasuke truly is just holding back until Naruto and him unleash there full power against Juubito. Here, he's relative if not just blatantly equal to Bijuu Sage Naruto who even this Naruto is getting a slight amp by Minato's Kurama half. This Sasuke by himself is would clear Tobirama and Minato (even KCM Edo Minato) and adding in Taka could potentially take Base Alive Hashirama and Prime Hiruzen if that's where you think Hiruzen's level is at.
Prime Hashirama (Edo Sage Hashirama also), Highball Prime Hiruzen, Hokage Kakashi and any version of Hokage Naruto would slap them
facts
This is absolutely facts I just had to tame down the Sasuke stuff for the vid
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@@ThunderGodTG No doubt I understand haha it's anti-climactic if the strongest one can solo since he's much more powerful than everyone else in Taka
@@emssasukeisunderrated7946 but but minato still is leagues ahead of orochimaru, swigetsu karin and jugo anyway, and ems sasuke was pouting about naruto power which minato showed relativity to, the only time sasuke showed some relativity to naruto was after he get the jugo buff and granted minato would have a slight difficulty, but he has answers for all of them, minato can create clones that also has kcm with ftg etc hes just ready for any of these, besides minato again can get rid of jugo before that
Ppl talk about edo tensei in normal battles like the jutsu dosen't need preparation. Like, how is tobirama or orochimaru gonna use edo tensei if they didn't have it summoned previously?
I think in the war arc Orochimaru vidoes it could be safe to assume he can have some Edo tensei bodies at his disposal. Not the 1st and 2nd Hokage cause he had no control over them. Edo Minato is, a bit overwhelming for Oro with his KCM2 . But aside from that he could have :
- the sound four, even probably Kimimaro.
- 4th Kazekage Rasa, since he assassinated him.
- Hiruzen.
- maaaaaaaybe the 3rd Kazekage too, but it is more a filler feat from Orochimaru than a canon feat.
- 1 kind of headcanon, Dan, Tsunade's boyfriend. Since he planned on exchanging his Edo Tensei to Tsunade.
And they would have the same refined Edo tensei capabilities that the Edo Tensei Hokages had when Oro summoned them.
War arc revived Orochimaru is kind of interesting.
Ouu good points
I dont think it matters that much because minato is faster than a lot of them anyway and if considering the reanimation jutsu requires a summoning contract, minato can actually sever the contract of the edo and orochimaru by just touching him, thats gonna be an issue foe orochimaru, as for karin and jugo, they have no chance close range and from a distance their jutsu are too slow and weak, minato in base is teleporting away ten tails bijuu bombs, nothing jugo or swigetsu does is on that scale, the only real issue is sasuke who without jugos cursemark is crippled by inferiority to naruto, minato in his kcm avatar showed relativity to naruto in Bijuu sage mode kyuubi avatar, plus minato should be faster than naruto since he has the ftg on top of the kcm which made slow ass base naruto faster than the raikage, in base minato is already a issue just because he would mark them and teleport their jutsus even though in base he might lose to sasuke and orochimaru, but with the kyubi that can possibly sit back and collect nature energy while minato fights, its man slaughter minato can do anything he wants there, lets not get into the bijuu damas, the rasangans with the clones and the extra kunais plus minato somewhat relative intellect to orochimaru and sasuke in enginuity and knowledge in combat, war arc taka gets slapped by kcm2 minato no doubt
Love how no one is arguing about Hashirama beating the shit out of Taka without breaking a sweat lol
Bro , who is gyru gyru?
That’s the swirly zestu that used Yamato as a host against the 5 kage and that obito used when he saw Rin die
Ok got it , thanks
minato stay goated, though not my favorite character character, can’t deny he’s a damn great character.
It's quite possible that Sasuke can use the Perfect Susanoo, even before getting the Rinnegan but I feel like he would only unlock if he had fought Naruto before the S06P Buffs he and Naruto got.
Wait, but what about Danzo? 😂😂😂
I have a few issues with some of the scaling.
1. Tobirama....Izuna (Madara Brother he killed) is stated to be Madaras equal. So Tobirama at minimum scales to MS Madara strength wise. EMS Madara far outclassed him tho. So what I am saying is if we think base Madara beats Sasuke Tobirama also does.
Speaking of Madara
Madara has Hashirama sage mode the entire war arc. So what we are seeing is an even stronger version of Madara. In Edo he was still less than Hashirama (which means Hashirama sage mode is likely stronger). But that also checks out with my Tobirama point as he couldn't deal with any higher buff to Madara as Madara (being equal at his MS level) since the power gap is too great. I think all of this supports my argument that Tobirama likely beats Taka with mid to high difficulty. He was also prepared to kill them when he first was brought back. Which to me implies he didn't feel like he couldn't beat them.
I think Hiruzen is in his prime from the sense that Edo him is stronger than his version that fought Oro in the original because of Zetsu/Hashirama body that was used for his Edo. I think Hebi beats him but I think its high difficulty.
Kakashi I think gets spited. Orochimaru is stronger using Zetsu body. Orochimaru always put the fear in Kakashi and Orochimaru is stronger than he has ever been. In fact I think Orochimaru could solo Kakashi in the War Arc. Now I think post war arc is a different matter.
Tsunade loses but she takes one or 2 with her. Likely Karen or Judy
Minato I think is closer to Sasuke than most give credit for. I think if he wins its high difficulty. I don't think Sasuke was fearing Naruto power but more surprised that he took such a jump even after he got EMS. Remember he saw Naruto before after his fight with Danzo and was calculating based off of that. So I think it was more of a "when I last saw him he was using base chakra how did he get this much chakra and control so quickly" (it probably was only a few days to a week since he last saw him). I also don't think there is anything stopping Oro from giving Sasuke a curse mark again mid battle and since he has had one he wouldn't suffer through it and would be able to use it to instantly amp him instead of Jugo just funneling it into his Susanoo. He isnt beating Sasuke with ease and I think as long as the others can stall him out he will be fine. Suigetsu and Oro protect Karin Jugo supports Sasuke. If Sasuke takes a massive hit Orochimaru can stall and buy them time (use Edo if nothing else) and allow Karin to heal Sasuke back. Then Sasuke proceeds to fight again. I think they eventually wear him down. I am gonna trust that at worst Minato has RDS and can just end the match that way but I think that fight is harder than most are giving. I also don't think the speed difference is massive between him and Tobirama. Battle speed for battle speed they are virtually equal. But travel distance in a straight line I think Minato is faster but its more like (as an example) one car driving 65 MPH and the other driving 60.
I think Taka looks like this
Loses
Hashirama (100%)
Minato 65/35 (Minato wins it more just based off Hax RDS at worst to finish them. I fully accept he could clone and just RDS them and they wouldn't be able to stop him if he wanted to get a 100% victory but that isn't in character)
50/50 (depends on how you view or scale)
Tobirama (depends on how you scale Tobirama but I would say Tobirama beats them all 5.5/4.5
Wins Taka get)
Kakashi (100%)
Hiruzen (35/65 In 100 fights Hiruzen) wins 35 simply because of RDS
Tsunade( 100% )
hokage Kakashi got Kashin Kojji sweating. the same Koji that could fight 10% Jigen.
That was retired kakashi so weaker than hokage even
@@Diaster147 honestly any Boruto era kage will stomp anything in Shippuden because of powercreep. It's like the android saga right now and characters are getting so much random powerups. 10% Jigen should be higher than anyone not Six Path level in Shippuden so Taka gets godstomp by Kakashi
Honestly I am sick of this logic...it's like saying Kakuzu bodies anyone who isn't from the war arc because he fought Hashirama and survived and 20 percent of FP Hashirama bodies anyone who isn't from the war arc lol
Orochimaru in the mix alone makes it tough. His healing abilities adding to Karin's chakra replenish. Then adding his sneak attack ability and being a zetsu man he is pretty much unbeatable.
Such a bad matchup for Tobirama. Tobirama has so many hax, but so do all the Taka members. Tobirama is also a genius and amazing battle strategist who has op invented Jutsu... But so is Orochimaru and Sasuke. You can easily argue that Tobirama has better hax and is more intelligent, but enough to say he beats all of them together?
I personally think he could high dif it, but its easy to argue the other way around
I think it comes down to the attack order. If he gets Sasuke on the first strike its a cake walk since he can just go down the pecking order and teleport Sasukes body away if needed if he sees someone trying to heal him. If he doesn't get the first strike then he's in trouble. He's got 5 people and however many snake summons to try and deal with all at once and all of them are just freaks by normal Naruto standards.
Tobirama beat MS izuna, who was equal to MS Madara. Tobirama can kill any of them, then use them for edo tensei.
Minato died before he could use kcm so don't forget that not to mention he said he sucked at sen jutsu but went perfect sage mode right after
He said he would use the things seen in edo too
Dude the ninetails should make up for minato lack of experience with senjutsu, i guess you can argue that the yin half of the ninetails wouldnt know to do that, but minato has a problem with kneeding the chakra, ninetails would just do that for him, the longer the fight persist the mpre accustomed to kcm minato would get so yes he would be able to stack sage mode after a time, the only difference with kcm naruto is naruto has more experience with kcm and minato is not gonna have time to learn about ninetails senjutsu abilities in the middle of a fight with juubito
Imo
Hashirama- slam’s mid diff
Tobirama- loses
Hiruzen- loses badly
Mintato with Kcm- High diff
Tsunade- loses badly
Kakashi- im not familiar with Hokage Kakashi scaling
Dude minaro would low diff especially if he doesnt allow jugo to give sasuke cursemark
@@momotheone9700 I think Sasuke could give Minato enough trouble long enough for Jugo to assist with curse mark making it a hard fight for Minato especially with the help of Orochimaru, i do still think Minato is winning though
@@Mrgraduation oh i can see that. Sasuke does have the techniques to keep minato at bay for awhile, i still think its not high high diff but i can see where your coming from, plus orochimaru is very difficult to oake out at any level, team takas survivability is actually insane they might stick around long enough to make it difficult.
you are tripping
Hashirama- Claps, mid dif
Tobirama- Gets clapped, low dif for taka
Hiruzen- Gets clapped, low diff for taka
Minato- Claps, high diff
Tsunade- Gets clapped, low diff for taka
Kakashi (war arc)- Gets clapped, high diff for taka
Kakashi (Hokage)- Claps, mid diff
Naruto (war arc)- Claps, mid diff
Naruto (Hokage)- Claps, low diff
Dude minato mid diffs
Hashirama low diffs
If you think minato wins then tobirama wins. I never get peoples logic for that. Tobirama is was faster than them all and is capable of reacting to juubito as well as surprising juubito with his speed, knows multitude of jutsu and is a pro at fighting uchiha as well as has a strong relationship with the uzumaki to know about them.
@@manny9191
Kcm minato >>> base minato >> tobirama
Sooo nah
@@ajayimoses2495 no, alive tobirama beats alive minato, intelligence, ninjutsu, tactics and chakra. Kcm minato ran out of chakra before tobirama let alone base minato
"In their prime" hiruzen destroys
I think the guy in the vid says that Lmao
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He outscales and speedblitzes
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are you slow bruh, when have we ever seen somebody “pre-activate” the flying raijin
You completely missed the point of that segment, the point is we have no idea when Tobirama activated the Jutsu in that scuffle, he could have activated it while madara swung. Jutsu take time to activate no matter how quick.
@@ThunderGodTG did you even hear what you just said? Flying raijin is instant teleportation, if it took time to activate it wouldn’t be instant..
Bro it’s instant teleportation but, there is a fraction of time no matter how brief where the character has to engage their chakra and activate the jutsu, that being the teleportation itself, and don’t call me slow I don’t mess with that toxic shit. Keep it constructive and be better
@@ThunderGodTG the chakra becomes engaged once you have marked something, so the only thing that takes time when it comes to using flying raijin is marking something (which we know the kunai was already marked) and thinking of teleporting. is that what you mean?
@@ThunderGodTG and i apologize if i came off toxic, you are obviously not slow and you seem to be pretty intelligent. this is a good video also but i’m just so used to tobirama down play that i get triggered if i even remotely feel like it’s happening. plus we know edo tobirama who is slowed had juubito level reaction speed at the very least
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Karin truly plays a pivotal role on team Taka, lord knows where'd they be without her wide scale hacks abilities. I think she alone could take on DMS Kakashi...Hashirama is a joke for her and you know it.
HUH?!?!
Bruh
She absolutely tanked that kick from danzo, ate sasuke’s Chidori spear (pause), one shot that wood golem(in her pj’s), one bite from her Karin cells are enough to completely restore tsunade’s hundred healings.
Kakashi has never sniped a head off with Kamui why bring that up as something he could do?
He attempted to do so on the Gedo Statue but, was stopped by Obito
He sniped an arm. That's one of the 5 things that protrudes from the torso.
He *attempted* to snipe the head off but Obito stopped it. He can teleport a whole 8 tails he can snipe the head off and has canonically tried it.
Kakashi tried to Kamui away Deidara's Head but due to his inexperience using Kamui he missed so WA Kakashi who is far beyond Early Shippuden Kakashi would easily be able to Kamui peoples heads off
exactly. He CAN do it but actually succeeding with it is a different story.
Hiruzen didn’t stop the edo tensei in part 1. Minato just couldn’t be brought back since he died using the reaper death seal and wasn’t in the normal death realm or whatever.
Hiruzen did block the Third one, I implore you to re - read the fight, it just wouldn't have worked. It's one of those Kishimoto clearly wrote in after the fact in the story. Just because his soul is in the Reaper Death Seal doesn't mean Hiruzen didn't block or that Orochimaru knew that. Not mutually exclusive at all.
So basically minato couldn’t be edo-ed but hiruzen still blocked it so even if minato had a normal death he wouldn’t have been summoned?
Basically the summon would have failed, but neither knew that hence why Hiruzen blocked it.
Wait why would it fail orochimaru summoned the third and fourth in the war despite the fact they both died using the reaper death seal. Did i miss something that happened in between that time
The 4ths Soul/Spirit was in the Reaper Death Seal, neither character at this point knew this. Its one of those thing Kishimoto clearly wrote in after the fact that works without jeopardizing the story.
Itachi was stated to “be equal to Kcm”? When was that?
Are we assuming Naruto moves max speed at all times?
Itachi ~ Sasuke ~ KCM1 Naruto, you can maybe say Sasuke got a hatred amp but, generally Itachi was even > to Sasuke in the Kabuto fight. Also why would we assume Naruto in a war isn’t moving at his absolute max speed? Even if he wasn’t you would just say Sasuke isn’t either as there’s situations where he’s blatantly faster than that KCM1
@@ThunderGodTG bro do you think
Kcm Minato is Faster then kcm 2+sm Narut?
U didn't say naruto he worked so hard to be hokage he needs to be mentioned :(
Thank you gave excellent analysis except on the third hokage.
In his Edo tensei form he was able to go against the Gizamado statue
Which is basically the ten tails husk.
An entire platoon of younger capable Ninja weren't able to do this he just makes five shadow clones and does it effortlessly
Appreciate it ✊🏻 he never fights the Gedo statue? It doesn’t appear after it turns into the ten tails until Madara summons it again where he just uses it to become the ten tails Jinchuriki. He only fights Guru Guru’s Buddha
I'm confused how does Minato solo taka if kcm2 Minato isnt stronger than ems sasuke by himself? Surely Karin on top of orochimaru would be more than enough to overwhelm Minato. No to mention jugo and suigetsu. Sasuke would be plenty to deal with by himself. If sasuke has taka they no diff Minato.
And before you say Minato was stronger than Naruto, I'll tell that's impossible because Minato wasn't capable of defeating juubito alongside sasuke, like Naruto. Obito actually proceeded to physically AND verbally shit on minato, while base sage mode naruto was blitzing obito. Granted he had help from tobirama, but that pretty much wraps up the whole naruto vs Minato debate in my opinion.
So If ems sasuke was a rival to sm kcm2 naruto, than sasuke is arguably either definitely stronger than kcm2 Minato, or at the very least, equal to kcm2 Minato.
I know people usually wank the hell out of Minato, but that was one of the most forced power scaling debates I've ever heard. The way he just casually dismissed Karin's chains, on top of orochimarus 8 headed surpant, on top of jugos sage Chakra, on top of ems sasuke, who is a rival to kcm2 naruto... Yet dismissed all of taka with only a tailed beast bomb? The strongest tailed beast bomb Minato could muster up isn't even strong enough to one shot sasuke. Sasuke was prepared to tank juubitos tailed beast bomb with just the ribcage of the susano... if sasuke has all of taka in his full body suasno they're easily tanking a tailed beast bomb from kcm2 Minato... other than that little fan service, this video was facts.
Bruv Sasuke was a rival to Naruto with a 10x buff from Jugo and Naruto’s Kyuubi chakra amping stop it, Minato had neither of those and was a rival, Karin’s chains are only a portion of Kushinas in terms of strength, they’re not restraining Minato. Sasuke was able to do rival Naruto in perception and in minor attacks.
@@ThunderGodTG what in the headcannon!? Where was It stated that jugo's sage Chakra buffed sasuke by 10x? And we definitely don't have a canon multiplier for kurama's chakra cloak that he gave to everyone in the war. You yourself used a whole lot of headcannon to try and scale the shinobi who were given kuramas chakra. But I was under the impression that jugo's sage Chakra was only necessary to damage the 10 tails. Meaning in theory sasuke could easily just fought along side naruto without jugo, IF he had his own nature Chakra to damage juubito with.
@@ThunderGodTG the fact that base sage mode naruto was strong enough to damage juubito also supports my theory. Jugo wasn't buffing sasuke, he was just giving him the nature chakra to damage the jinchuriki of the 10 tails.
I ain't doing a comment war with you bro agree to disagree
@@ThunderGodTG I appreciate the dignity man. Better to say nothing, than to make a fool of yourself arguing with facts like most of the Fandom. 💯
Do y’all realize the kage weren’t revived at full power 😂 to compare them to edo kage to scale power is dumb
I have to disagree with your Hiruzen analysis. Not about Hiruzen himself but with EMS Sasuke performing better than a more mastered KCM Naruto. That just isn't true at all. We know it isn't. Naruto shared his chakra with everyone in the alliance, including Sasuke. As well as fighting for a full day. Sasuke even got jealous of Naruto being so powerful even while Naruto was fatigued because Sasuke gained all this power and was still out done by Naruto.
When I say more mastered KCM I’m referring to the KCM1 that Sasuke was fighting alongside, they were moving at the same speeds, throwing at Jutsu with relative potency to where they can combo, with Sasuke even saving said Naruto a few times. It’s only when Naruto goes KCM2 does Sasuke feel insecure and require Jugo’s assistance to match.
@@ThunderGodTG Even still it doesn't change anything. Naruto is nerfed for Sasuke to even come close to matching up to him again at this point Naruto had already shared his chakra with everyone in the alliance including Sasuke. Meaning Sasuke actually had a buff from Naruto. Not only that but later you mention about Sasuke being relative to Tobirama and then you mention him having the curse mark from Jugo, well even then he's amped by Naruto AND Jugo. Like in both cases you have to give Sasuke every benefit of the doubt. I'm not even saying that I totally disagree you just have clear Sasuke bias when he's given multiple amps and you talk about it like he's so good. Like you're saying he out performed Naruto but like Naruto was weakened and had already amped Sasuke so it just doesn't really match up when you put it like that.
I feel like prime hiruzen would be able to beat madara. However, he would not be able to beat 10 tails madara and above. But, any lower madara I believe prime hiruzen would win.
Question are these prime hokage cause I don't understand why tsunade was left out of the conversation she one shots most of this crew instantly with the only possible exemptions being jugo and suigetsu because of hacks (which would be dealt with soon after realizing they existed) at worst its 3 hits to sasuke total with susanoo 3 hits to suigetsu cause his turning into water hax on second strike she uses lighting release to make him solid and then obliterate him for this time on the third strike
Jugo gets 2 strikes max he blocks the first one because I believe he's faster but the second is point blank most likely double strength cause of his durability and to be extra sure he stays down
Everyone else is one shot tbh (yes this orochimaru is too at least to prime tsunade)
Realistically she's just too slow, at her best she's verbatum slower than the Raikage who Sasuke would be faster than (Sasuke being on par with a Stronger KCM Naruto than the one that Blitzed past or was ~ to the Raikage) Where he could employ his win condition. To take it a step further Sasuke is shown on par with Sakura who's implied to have surpassed Tsunade at this point. When Hashirama makes the statement about her strength Shizune who knows Tsunade's capabilities doesn't deny it but, instead adds on to it giving semblance that she agrees. She also only breaks Madara's Susanoo with Combo strings of Jutsu to weaken it with the other Kage so it's highly unlikely she'd break Sasuke's. He'd probably just blitz to her and use an Enton Sword. This ignores Orochimaru and the rest of Taka as well just shooting attacks out in conjunction.
@@ThunderGodTG here's the problem with all of that it ignores her overall durability as a fighter in the first scenario let's say she gets blitzed by sasuke and he uses an endon sword to stab her a very likely response would be her pulling a stunt like she did with mandara where she breaks the sword (assuming the sword still has a solid mass after passing through her) she chucks it back at the group or at sasuke (though I think his susanoo would protected him from it at least for a while if he's dumb enough to not just end amateratsu right there) after that sh kinda just does what I said she does only on fire (100 healings only needs to stall her burning to death as she punches each of them to death)
For the mandara feat down play its heavily implied that tsunade was doing the heavy lifting in that fight everyone else was basically being an annoyance to mandara with the exception of ay who was boosted by onoki so I can't count that too much and when she broke through mandara's susanoo she also continued with enough force to RIP him in half had he not been edo the fight would've ended right there.
The sakura statement seems to imply that she surpassed tsunade cause of her not needing to use her chakra reserves to maintain her looks and still being able to output similar if not greater feats than tsunade which is why hashirama and shizune are stunned at her growth it could also be a reference to her as a Genin (hadhirama) or a jonin (post war) in the case of shizune to be clear I think the Genin interpretation would be insane but that's the reasonable time I could put hashiramas observation of her since he's been dead most of her life. Also underestimating sakura or sasuke at this point I think sakura did match sasuke who would be at the level of a sage or slightly below going off the selfie stick fight lol
Tl;dr when you take into account other context tsunade herself is a lot stronger than she seems. We also need to understand how broken her abilities actually are and take into battle tactics as well.
Also don't get me wrong I like the video I even understand why you wouldn't include certain hokage (looking at naruto lol) cause taka would get no diffed but here with tsunade I think it's pretty up in the air but personally based on abilities hacks and over all in character strategies 8/10 times tsunade wins this 1/10 times it's a draw and the remaining 1/10 war arc taka beats her high difficulty
@@theforgotton_mle3903 Madara literally just played with tsunade though, Sasuke is just straight up faster than her and he won't just look at her and tell her she's weaker than hashirama, he could very well slice her in half with his speed, use susanoo arrow on her, put her in genjutsu, use amaterasu on her the second her body is injured and can't move as fast anymore (keep in mind her fastest speed is still slower than sasuke) so sasuke alone would take her easily. Then you got suigetsu who is a counter to her cuz physical attacks don't work on him, jugo can assist sasuke and give him curse mark sage mode thus boosting the strongest member in the team who is already stronger than tsunade by himself, Karin can heal the squad and orochimaru is yet another sannin who can also use edo tensei. Don't give tsunade too much credit for enduring a few minutes with madara who wasn't even taking 5 kage at the same time serious
Naruto power levels are no longer canon once the war arc starts. Straight Dragonball super bullshit. Post war cat in a tree is more powerful than 4th war Madara.
What about Hokage Naruto 😊🤔
Only Hokages from Naruto part 2. No Brouto. I know that Naruto became Hokage between part and part 3.
Taka vs war ark kage and hiruzen loses? Sheesh idk about that one chief
You understand EMS Sasuke is literally acclimating to ten tails Obitos movements
1st>3rd>2nd>4th
Above is the power level for first 4 hokage
And saying naruto have more practice with kcm then minato is laughable, minato never had kcm when he alive😂 its just a buff minato needed other wise he won't stand against those guys. Its like danzo get reivived and come back with rinnegan 😅
Wrong kakashi. If it's hokage kakashi it should be from his feats not war arc. It's stated he got stronger
It’s literally unquantifiable with him losing Hax, you can only use war arc
@@ThunderGodTG the Kakashi novel has some insane feats for him
I can see them taking Kakashi, Tsunade, and Hiruzen the rest of the Hokage pretty much stomp them. Kakashi is only stronger by having more chakra otherwise he took a huge nerf to his abilities. Tobimara does somewhat scale to Madara.
Kakashi is stated to be stronger overall the statement is very clear about him being beyond WA Kakashi in fact its implied Kakashi in the Kakashi Hiden Novel(which takes place 1 year after the WA) is relative to WA Kakashi
@@SRVaris and war arc Kakashi still claps with sharingan its simple he gained greater power but lost his hax
@@diamantemrobinson Not really Hokage Kakashi has his own abilities that can contend with WA Kakashi
Fire style Water mist for instance it destroyed Six Paths Powered Water(Enough to flood a country) (This counters Kamui pretty well as Hokage Kakashi can use this continuously which would force WA Kakashi to use Kamui continuously and this would come down to a stamina battle in this case which Hokage Kakashi would win)
He can create thunderstorms with Shiden while Exhausted & Injured (Counter to any variant of Raikiri WA Kakashi could use)
His Mud walls can be immune to Lightning style by turning them into quartz (also counters Raikiri)
And while Kamui would be a threat to Hokage Kakashi he does have a major counter to Kamui in the use of Shadow clones(which Hokage Kakashi can make great use off) and due to Hokage Kakashi being significantly faster then WA Kakashi he will be able to employ all these options while WA Kakashi will struggle to deal with these abilities
Hokage Kakashi should also be multiple blitz tiers above WA Kakashi due to him Blitzing Kahyo who can Blitz a Shadow clone of Base Naruto(and mind you this is post WA Base Naruto who later goes on to swap hands with Toneri(without the Tenseigan) (Obviously it was a shadow clone but still impressive)
Jubito can be faster but weaker. Being the strongest doesn't automatically make you the fastest.
You saying that Lee is slower than Garra because Garra is stronger?
This can be true doesn’t mean it is, Jubito is faster and stronger, bro literally ran through Sasuke’s susanoo and was blitzing KCM Minato, even Minato says his power is dreamlike, saying he’s weaker is just wrong
Oro is not part of taka
Uchiha hype 😂😂😂😂😂 tobrima scared take by raising just one finger 😂
Lol they getting whipped by every kage maybe they could beat the mizukage. Definitely not rakaige
Tsunade is stronger than Hiruzen, all of the Sannin are in their strongest forms.
Orochimaru needed Edo Tensei + a Mental Supression all to get wiped the minute he and Hirzuen actually 1 v1 in their fight lmao Hiruzen claps bruv
@@ThunderGodTG that's not orochimarus strongest form, and those reanimations were weak.
There’s literally no way to quantify the 8 Headed Hydra except that it’s stronger than Orochimaru, 1 v 1 Orochimaru got decimated by Hiruzen in their fight, specifically the sequence when they are trading blows with the Grasslong sword and Enma. Orochimaru was literally just watching Hiruzen fight the Edo’s and fatigue himself for a majority of the fight.
@@Zepollli "the reanimations were weak" is the weakest statement I have ever heard with no more elaboration
I feel like Madara should’ve killed the five Kage except for Gaara. And he should’ve killed Orochimaru.
Sasuke curbs everyone not named Hashirama.
War arc taka is fodder.
Dude Karin, suigetsu and jugo are non factor💀 stop mentioning them 😭 this is just Sasuke and orouchimaru vs kages
Bruv I gotta add them I do think they matter on aspects legitimately. It is a 5 vs 1 at the end of the day.
A lot of the kage arsenal isn’t harming suigetsu
@@ajayimoses2495 i mean there are 4 hokage here who can use lightning style
Hashirama bodies(Indra genjutsu never works against ashura)
Tobirama/team sasuke wins high diff
Minato demolishes or low diff at most
Hiruzen gets smoked
Hokage kakashi gets beaten mid diff
Tsunade gets blitzed
Naruto….. do I have to say it?
sorry kid, hiruzen and tsunade wins againts them
I’m going to be totally honest with you … Minato and tobimaru should win pretty easily like flying rajin isn’t a “ run fast technique “ it’s a teleporting one so sasuno won’t stop someone from getting inside so tobimaru is taking heads and Minato is bodying them with no difficulty
The difference between Minato and Tobirama is that Minato is stacking his enhanced Combat Speed with KCM and flying Rajin whereas Tobirama just teleports. They both have to mark their opponents or have kunai in place where their opponent is. They don’t just teleport randomly like Sasuke with his Amenotajikara
@@ThunderGodTG Minato without kurama will beat taka and if you are going with how they actually fight sasuke will not just bust out his sasuno … the strongest opponent he had in the series (naruto) he didn’t even do that and he knew how strong naruto was. This is exactly how it’ll go
It’ll start off hand to hand( the moment Minato or tobimaru touches him they will place that seal on him) ggs. And if you try to say he’s just randomly busting it out …… he still can’t catch them lol they are teleporting faster then the speed of light essentially with minimal chakra usage while the sasuno doesn’t have that feature . Especially when we have seen Minato teleporting away a bijuu bomb from a full powered kurama ( this is the fight when he stomps obito who would stomp this group) lol flying rajin is a bad matchup for anyone especially if they aren’t just OVERFLOWING WITH POWER .
@@ThunderGodTG my personal opinion the only one they are beating is tsunade and I wouldn’t even say that’s easy because if she’s tanking rinnegan madera sasuno swords then ems sasuke and his team will not be killing her no time soon like all she will need is one hit but that’s iffy
@@ThunderGodTG also I believe a lot of kishimtos work has been retconned a lot like the whole oroachimaru being the strongest sannin is probably based on just him being more talented he got one shot by itachi(14-15 years old) which isn’t bad like a lot of people are getting one shot by him but if we use the game feats pain shinra tensei him and that’s it . But if we not using game feats I firmly firmly believe jiraiya and tsunade are stronger like his imperfect sage mode and her 100 healings technique out class everything he does until he finally gets a near perfect edo tensai
@@royjones0824 Without his arms and therefore the bulk of his jutsu he was having to keep pace with a drugged Jiraiya nd Tsunade. In a shit tier body no less. He's obviously the strongest at that time if everything is set to their normal levels.
Unfortunately for taka none of them have enough attack potency to put tsunade down permanently other than maybe amaterasu and even that is somewhat questionable. Tsunade one shots every member of taka other than maybe suigetsu and orochimaru but neither of them can actually put her down
Where do you rate Tsunade’s Durability? Why would she be able to resist enton in any capacity? AP would not matter if Sasuke’s faster