Of everyone you've interviewed you know the stories are so much alike.... he loved women.... music was his Love.... yet hated being alone but craved it.... Prince made people think they're the one.... the only one who wrote a book while he was alive Vanity.... everyone else got his Lawyer's....
Makes me laugh, "Prince doesn't like fans looking at him when he's not on stage"...I was at Wembley for his Parade Tour in 1986 and stood chatting to other fans at the rear gate and Prince came out and chatted to us...so the media talks garbage
Prince was constantly evolving and wanted people around him to push him. He got to a point where the talent around him wasn’t cutting edge and he needed that.
They couldn't play as good as him. He seemed to be upset with the way they played things. Like them playing Private joy pretty and him hardly singing the song
I love Prince. Christopher Tracy's Parade, is one of my favorites!! I just don't like when folks comment on Prince wanting privacy. Who in the world doesn't want to be left alone sometimes? Prince was the BOSS HE COULD DO WHAT HE WANTED WITH HIS BANDS!
Prince was and ALWAYS BE MY NO.1 SINGER, ONLY SAW HIM LIVE AT THE MID SOUTH COLISEUM IN MEMPHIS FOR THE PURPLE RAIN TOUR, AND IT LEFT AN AMAZING IMPRESSION I'LL NEVER FORGET. HE'S GREAT. 🥰🥰🤩🤩🌹
I saw the Parade Tour at Madison Square Garden NYC Back in 86. Didn't know he didn't tour in the States really with the project. But, it was great the Girl I met in Europe saw him that year. I saw Sign O the Times Concert in Europe. He was awesome on that one. I thought he found his groove for playing Live on that Tour back in 87. When I hear how menacing Prince could be; I chuckle at that. I know what's it like to be moody as an Artist myself and want things to go a certain direction. It's not nice for others to be around me. But, its all good. He knew he wanted to move on. The Revolution period ,served its purpose.
Prince💕💞 had to go wherever his genius led him,he was always experimenting,always ahead of his peers,In fact Prince 💕had No peers,he had to move on from Purple Rain,he loved The Revolution,they were people he grew up with,but his genius was taking him in A New direction..There was No one like him,he competed against himself..A Great musician and Man,and we loved him,and his incredible music..Prince forever 💕❤️🤘👍
Listen to Parade more than any other Prince album. There’s so much depth. It sounds like nothing else ever recorded. Wish he would have toured it, because it would have sold very well.
@@jeffwitter2734 I meant, I wish Prince would have supported Parade with a full US Tour, instead of only stopping at a few venues at the last minute. Prince had announced his retirement from touring after he released Around The World in a Day, so I had no idea he was on tour. I didn't even know about the Parade tour until I saw the Detroit bootleg during the Sign O The Times era. It's too bad, because the crowd still had Purple Rain fever which gave the shows that larger than life feel, plus the shows I've heard were some of the Revolution's best, IMO.
@@jeffwitter2734 He was getting ready for the LoveSexy project. You could easily tell by adding Eric Leeds & his horns plus Sheila E. and her percussion. The "hype men" of Brooks, Wally & Jerome was also used on L.S. tour. They were just a tad salty because they could sense their pink slip was on the way. The way Wendy talked she always seem to think that HE wasn't gonna go far minus HER...I guess she figured WRONG. "The Dream Factory" was okay. I owned it, but it was NOT the new band & the LoveSexy project.
You know what's weird about this? I saw the Parade Tour at MSG. Definitely not a small intimate venue. Bought the tickets at Tower Records at least a month before the show. I guess I was lucky. The show was definitely more stripped down than the Purple Rain Tour
Fantastic as always ⚡ Love getting all these details in an audio and visual form. Had never heard why he let Jerome go, great story; it sounds like Prince was in the mood for cutting strings and moving forward regardless of success. A truly definitive moment in the story of his life, thank you for taking us there 🙏🏼
@Tony Nah, Prince was the leader and front man, so of course he shined. It was their job to make him shine and accentuate his stage presence. You can say the same thing about any of his band iterations. Also, it’s important to note that the members of The Revolution were only in their late Teens/early Twenties, which, comparable to the experience of his later band members, is pretty remarkable. They added a lot to his music and sound.
Prince fired the Rev, that Revolution, to regain his name, it cleansed him for lack of a better word, of the burden of something that wasn't working or was being relegated to the past AND going out of style AND couldn't keep up and or produce where he felt he should and needed to go. New band members, even dancers, assured Prince would go there AND his band could keep up with him. Period. Certain band members of the Rev were given the option to stay, but they chose sides, out of being frustrated. It seemed certain members of the Revolution bought into 'and The Revolution".
@@kamfisher1714 SOTT, U Got The Look, Batdance, GettOff, Cream, Mist Beautiful. There were others that charted as well, but you have to remember and keep in mind that the revolution did not write all the songs the question seems as if you’re saying that it required the revolution to have had a hit. But they didn’t do when doves cry they didn’t do 1999 little red Corvette, and specifically the Revolution that he fired was a fictional revolution. It wasn’t an actual real band revolution like the previous two purple rain. The counter revolution of the parade era was still somewhat of a fictional band in that the members, especially the male vines were brought in sort of for the film.
Times change and music changes even faster.. when you have the attention of the world you have to make a decision to either stay where your at & become “tighter” or push the envelope even more that you have & do something different..either way it’s a roll of the dice..regardless of whatever era of Prince you favor I’m glad Prince got the opportunity to make changes with his music periodically and still be loved by the public..inarguably his commercial peak was with the Revolution but that was comparatively a short time and the middle to late 80’s was popping trends faster than most remember
An artist as talented as Prince, has to stir the pot, once a while, to keep it interesting for himself and his friends. What made him so successful through the years, was his ability to reinvent himself and start from scratch. He was the greatest bandleader and if you see videos from live performances, it's obvious how well he could lead the band, to keep it interesting. He would change the setlist on the go. He played music because he loved it and his creative juices were floating 24/7. I think when bands stop playing together and part ways, do it because they're getting bored and can't agree. Most doesn't have the guts to change anything, they're afraid that people won't buy their records and go to live gigs. If you look at the most successful musicians over the time, they all have done some changes. It's a risk, but in most cases, it's a good decision. It's kinda like when we seek a new job opportunities. In most cases we do it, because we're either bored, don't feel our contribution matters or our boss is an idiot, that don't care about our us. Why work for Amazon for minimum wage, if you can do something else, that doesn't take the same toll on you? I see that Prince had flaws, but I will love Prince 2 the day eye die! 💜💜💜💜💜💜❤️
I remember coming back from Brittany just to wait 4 hours at the Casino de Paris which was the only place to buy a ticket for Prince concert at Le Zénith in 1986, but I didn't know it would be one of his last concerts with The Revolution.
Also, Lisa and Wendy downplays still that they quit, threatened to quit a few times, requested ENORMOUS raises, and were actively talking to other recording studios... so they played a role in their own demise. I wish he had a chance to give his side AFTER they gave their interpretation of events. Yet, so glad to see Prince perform with them again in 2007/08 at Brit Awards... w/Wendy on Tavis Smiley show too.
Well .... Wendy and Lisa working for Prince don't get songwriting credits. They don't get publishing royalties. This is probably why Brown Mark said, I gave you the best of me, and I have nothing to show for it. The only money they can earn is on the road, and performance royalties. They are hired hands. And it's very obvious the whole package of Prince and The Revolution is a sell. It's not actively pursuing your own demise. It's asking this dude to give them at least a wage that is equal to the crowds they're helping him bring in, the females in that crowd that look at Wendy & Lisa, and might start thinking, hey, I want to learn an instrument and be in a band too. If he's not ever going to let them fully be a band and get songwriting credits, at least give them a salary that shows they're very much part of his success. There is no other side he had to tell. He dismisses people in a heartbeat, because he's really just using them until he's done.
I remember watching the AMAs when Prince presented that award!! I was so proud of him. Ironically, Diana Ross, the woman associated closely with MJ, introduced him.
His hug to Boni Boyer during Purple Rain that was edited out here was another sign. She soloed on the song earlier where you can also see Prince "rolling his arms" at her for her to become louder. That's as big a sign as smashing guitars.
What Prince was doing by expanding the band to include the members of Sheila E's band and the Family was to road test what would become the first incarnation of the New Power Generation. And as Mark says here, that WAS the name of the band, not the Lovesexy band but NPG from the get-go. Heck, what are the first words spoken on the Lovesexy album? "Welcome to the new power generation." These days, if you see the Revolution live, Dr Fink wears NPG-era Scrubs.
@@rickstraws92 Err... Did you even pay attention to what was being said in this clip? Here's Mark saying that Prince invited him to Paisley Park to negotiate joining the NPG alongside Dr. Fink. He also mentions it during the interviews The Revolution did with Spin magazine. Hell yeah, Mark was around, he SHOULD know! And err, look up the footage of the "Lovesexy" tour the costumes the band wore had "NPG" on them and "New Power generation" was spelled all over the stage.
@@RastaSaiyaman just because mark says it doesn’t make it accurate. Just because I was somewhere doesn’t guarantee the truth; especially post Prince’s passing . Mark says a lot of shit. Second. The band in 87-88 didn’t have an official name. He said new power generation on the album never announced them as they. Simple as that. It’s a clearly researchable fact. I said OFFICIALLY meaning on released products.
@@RastaSaiyaman yes NPG was on their clothes but again lovesexy Batman graffiti bridge were all Prince solo albums. They were the band with no name cause they didn’t have one
Seems like the revolution thought they deserved to be in prince spot with him and wanted to be calling shots but they are a backing band. And he had to show them that prince got here by himself
"A new group of supports will be raised up." In actuality, he had been raising them up, right under the noses of The Revolution, all along. It is not like they were blind to it. But quite a number of them had dovetailed right into "The Counter-Revolution" which was a transitional band. Cat Glover was not new to Prince, having worked as a choreographer for Vanity 6? Only a few pieces were missing and he didn't have to try too hard to find them. i.e. Sheila E!'s band. Your view of the era of The Revolution is spot-on, and sadly true. I see the King on the throne, tassels and all.
@@Sinnik22 that’s a dope description! Good to point that out. Now I need to go back and read the others! You are doing it Sinnik22! There are not enough props
@Tony I don't know if sheila's band was better than the revolution, but prince had to reign in some, as we heard people were saying "No" to prince as an equal. I think there was a hierarchy in loyalty to prince as he sees it. Brown mark wasn't as humble, if you watch Levi on the Nude tour, he was in a trance, I understand and appreciate how he watched prince, he was going to get this right, with his mouth open. I absolutely love Levi on base at the time. Prince believed he could trust Levi with a department in his company, and I understand Levi didn't want to set at a desk, he wanted to play music, so he did make the right decision. But who did Levi move with from paisley?
Prince was brimming with ideas for lyrics, basslines, guitar riffs, and drum patterns. When he got an idea, HE would innovate on his ideas (and sometimes those picked up during jam sessions) until he finished a song, making it into a musical piece of art. He would work very quickly so he would NOT LOSE THE IDEA. He would get after his engineers if they were not working quickly enough, lest they "lose the groove." KEEPING THE IDEA ALIVE was why Prince built Paisley Park and why people were on-call. Prince did not know how to communicate music to people or himself on paper. It was all done by recording it as he played what he heard in his head. Ideas are the seeds of innovation and Prince had notebooks full of ideas/seeds. Sometimes, to communicate his ideas to people, he would make a recording. He did this with Brownmark when he communicated his Idea for the song "Kiss" which was communicated using simple chords on an acoustic guitar and his vocal. When Prince gave Brownmark that cassette, it was an IDEA, a SEED. Prince says, "See what you can do with this." Brownmark was not impressed. "What are we supposed to do with that? But he and David Z innovated on that IDEA and nurtured the IDEA and grew it into something beyond what they had been given. That song, taken back by Prince, bore fruit, but not for Brown Mark. Taking that song back was like taking back an apple tree that had been nurtured by a greenhouse and was about to bear apples. I'll take that back. That song/tree is too good for you, Brown Mark and David Z's time and energy that they put into that song, brought Prince's initial idea to the point of being fruitful. They added value. Mark received no compensation for the time, energy, or creativity that he added to Prince's IDEA. During the time when Prince was working on Under the Cherry Moon, Prince continued to get ideas for songs and gave recordings of his ideas to Lisa and Wendy. They innovated on and nurtured his ideas and KEPT THEM ALIVE in hopes that they would bear fruit. Prince always did this work himself. But he passed his work onto Lisa and Wendy because he was overwhelmed. Lisa and Wendy were doing the work that Prince had always done HIMSELF. They were given the responsibility of taking his ideas and making them into finished pieces of musical art. The only way the work was going to be done, and the music not lost, was to MAKE THE GIRLS HIS EQUALS, to trust them to do HIS work. This idea of being his equals did not originate with them. It originated with Prince for a relatively short time, as it suited him. Once Pandora's box was opened, it could not be closed. Prince could not tolerate anyone being his peer because that would require listening, allowing others to voice their opinion, conflict resolution, compromising, admitting that someone else's way is worth trying, or that one is wrong. We are not told in these clips what the fighting was about, but I think I understand better now. Wendy and Lisa experienced Prince in different ways; as a teacher, a boss, a brother, a friend, and as a peer with the responsibility and challenge of standing in his shoes to KEEP HIS IDEAS ALIVE. For Prince, it was a necessary evil and he became uncomfortable with their new status. And with one crass, misogynistic remark, couched in something that had undertones of concern and looking out for them, they were demoted from peer composers to sexual objects, heartbroken and so ashamed of THE WAY that they were let go that they couldn't even talk to the press when less than two years earlier, they were being asked for interviews as members of the cast of Purple Rain. Many of the people that worked for Prince were on-the-job trained and received their diploma/credentials from The Prince-town University of Hard Knocks. IMO, that is a very effective way to learn. It was much of their compensation/privilege in working with/for Prince because he was not all that generous in compensating people monetarily. But the problem was that they were in danger of becoming ostracized if they tried to use their diploma/credentials on a "resume" to find additional work (Roy Bennett for Queen, Jimmy/Terry for the SOS Band, Jerome Benton for Janet Jackson, and Herb Alpert, for examples) especially when The Dean considered the one on "the other side of the fence" to be his competition/rival/enemy. And I still listen to his music . . . . and those who worked with and for him love him and are grateful to him for what he gave them . . . even Wendy and Lisa who have the right to tell their story about their relationship with Prince that brought them great joy, but also, at times, brought great pain. P.S. I had not seen this till yesterday: ua-cam.com/video/SqXT3FVPgLU/v-deo.html and had no knowledge of Jerome's post-Prince career with Janet Jackson or Herb Albert. So that information continues the pattern of the fall-out of Prince relationships. I had heard about Jelly Bean working with Jimmy and Terry in concert with Janet. They all brought a lot to the table after having worked with Prince. Losing good people to other companies when people have not been treated well happens a lot in the corporate world. There is a lot of competition for good, creative people. All the time and money lost when good people leave ends up being someone else's gain. Prince put so much time and energy into talented people only to lose them, not valuing them for what they brought and for what they learned while they were with him, tossing them aside, and was upset when others saw their value and employed them.
WOW! @ 1:14 Talk about your blast from the past! I got into so much trouble waiting to see this premire and being late for a rehersal just to catch the video. Boy, was it worth it! BTW, I can see why he had a problem with that whole J.J. performance.
Being have lived in a suburb of Minneapolis all my life, prince was amazing,he loved us ,and we loved him.💜 When he met Mayte he opened up, he was so in love, he was moving on. Then he lost two babies, had an affair with Manuela and from there he spiraled into a world he would stay . Rest in peace my sweet prince, you are now with amiir your loving son.
He had an affair with Manuela? New to me. Was it after Mayte's fling? In Spain? In my view, Prince was truly in love with Denise, for all time. With Amir and Denise, his father and mother.
He actually didn’t fire them, he disbanded the musicians known as the Revolution because he wanted another type of musician to interpret his new music. His acting pissed is him hating what he has to do and if he turns them against him, that may quit. The Revolution wanted full term partnership and equal income forgetting they were only Queen employees. It was a very hard business decision that Prince had to learn. WB were upsetting him also. He learnt that your mentor is not your friend or on the payroll. He learnt he had qto move forward on his own to reshape his dream and keep his independence and individuality.
The fact that Lisa classified both Wendy and herself as [kinda] equals to Prince says it all. They failed to understand that they were not his equals - on any level. Pride comes before a fall. The narrative spun by the four expelled members of The Revolution - reeks of self importance and how much they actually bought into the heady notions of the actual dream factory. Cutting ties with all those that straddled the fence (Jerome included) was genius. The four members of The Revolution couldn't handle when it became a revolving door of musicians and vibes, that they themselves didn't orchestrate. The negativity that Rivkin, Melvoin, Coleman and Brown displayed came from their over inflated sense of ego. And that was put right by their swift removal from the process. He wanted a different, better group of musicians, and this he got - with the band of 87-89. Prince was in charge, they were hired guns, good hired guns, but them being equal to Prince, only exists in their minds.
THIS! Especially considering that Wendy was barely 20 when Prince gave her the opportunity to be in the band. The whole idea of "equals" is almost laughable. He was a star before Purple Rain. So they were never equal to the point that they were deserving of a part of his fame. They were a backing band, and they let their egos get the best of them. If you look at all the people who played with Prince, (many of them longer than the Revolution members), you never hear them speaking the way Wendy and Lisa did, as if they were somehow equals. They understood that Prince was their BOSS. And yes, MANY of the NPG musicians contributed and did some major things with Prince. Some for far longer and with far more quantity than any of the Revolution. But they always view and speak of their time with him as a wonderful gift, and how they were able to learn and grow from their exposure and collaboration with his genius. You never hear them talk about or behave as if they were his equals. I lost quite a bit of respect for the whole Wendy-Lisa-Susannah triangle after that group of interviews and podcasts regarding Purple Rain and SOTT. Wendy sounded bitter and crazy, and Lisa had "memories" of things that didn't add up with some of the timelines. Susannah went on and on about the four of them "just living and loving each other" as if the rest of the world didn't exist and Prince somehow needed their presence at all times, which was BS, because during that time Prince was working on albums for The Time, The Family, Sheila E, and numerous others. The man was a workaholic during that time, and probably did very little outside of creating and performing, and had very little time for anyone. He had about a 7-10 year period where he was constantly working. And he was dating so many women during that time that the notion of Susannah being a fiance that he was seriously going to marry is hard to believe. That man was married to his music heavily during that time. I think he felt that they were basically smothering him with their nonsense and needed to let them go. He fired Wendy and Lisa first, which says a lot about what he was feeling about them at the time. Fink, he kept around for a few years as part of the NPG. Unlike the other Revolution members, Fink was a truly capable musician, and I think Prince had real respect for his talent. But Wendy and Lisa...Equals?...🤣🤣🤣🤣
You just explained this so well and perfectly thank you 🙌🏽 they just wanted to it to be them and never were open to change and growing and that’s why Prince needed a new band and a new vibe because they were becoming very egotistical especially Wendy and Lisa and they weren’t even original band members especially Wendy like your the last one to come in yet you have one of the biggest egos and feel very entitled like no Prince made the right move. 💯
@@dejagreen806 I thought he stated it correctly as well. While I recognize their presence in Prince's journey, as I do all of those who were a part of it, I've lost quite a bit of respect for Wendy and Lisa. Wendy's bitterness is particularly bothersome as she was the last one hired, probably the most inexperienced, and yet feels like she is owed so much. I think Prince was pretty fed up and disappointed in them, which is why he started blending members of Sheila's band on stage with them. Prince was a genius artist. People like that are driven and are always thinking ahead. They believed that they were part of some crazy love triangle, along with the sister Susannah. During that time Prince was seeing/dating numerous women and was constantly working on albums and songs for different albums. Where, or why, he would have had the time to indulge their egos and fantasies of him belonging to only them or them having equal billings on songs escapes me. They were not musicians that could produce the level of the sound and direction that he wanted to grow with, yet in their heads, they believed they were top-notch. They were probably bringing a lot of drama and negative energy, which was affecting his creative process. He probably felt like he absolutely had to fire them, and luckily for us, he did. I can't imagine some songs ever being performed proficiently live with them as the backing band. Can you imagine the Revolution performing Musicology, Gett Off, Cream, or anything off The Rainbow Children album? Nope!
@@AlexanderNevermind888 yes their time with Prince was the only time they needed to be with him. I can’t imagine them being the backing band for SOTT and Lovesexy because they just wanted to keep being that Purple Rain band and Wendy and Lisa definitely lived up to how they were portrayed in the movie by being the nagging group members and they were the main ones not being accepting towards the new people coming in like the bodyguards who were brought in to bring more diversity/color but entertainment and more life to the performances and even Eric Leeds the saxophone player who was older than all of them and had a lot of music experience and was affiliated with James Brown one of Prince’s big influences you think he would’ve been respected and welcomed by the band but he wasn’t Alan confirmed that. Also Im tired of this love story narrative with Susannah too because he was messing with Devin, Sheila, Jill and whoever else at the time as well and I don’t believe all those classic songs Prince made are about her either she’s full of it. I like this series because we are hearing multiple people’s perspectives and then explaining their side of situations and not just the Revolution band members. This is why I wish Prince had finished his memoir so we could get his side and know the truth once and for all.
I'm a 90s baby and I grew up with NPG and the other bands Prince had up until his passing but when I discovered Purple Rain and The Revolution when I was 13, they became a favorite of mine. Prince always wanted to grow as a artist and its a shame of how it went down
@@Sinnik22 Oh it was 2003! My mom listened to Prince and I was only allowed to listen to the "clean" songs. But I vaguely remember watching Purple Rain on TV and I just fell in love. And I was the only person in my friend group who knew who Prince was and who have seen Purple Rain
Prince wasn’t like regular people,he was a genius,they,wether they be mathematicians or musicians,like a Mozart,Einstein ,or Prince 💕,they don’t operate the same way as the rest of us,their brains are different,hence his rage and smashing his guitar 🎸,he felt he was being stifled,that was the origin of Prince’s rage during that time..Genius humans are almost a species apart from the rest of us.....p.s.,From what I’ve read about his time at school,even then, they,being his school knew he was something special,and was practically left alone to do what he liked,his genius was recognised very early on,I mean he could read music from a very early age,and had a photo memory..
The Revolution was the more popular but definitely not the most talented. That Sign of the time band or Love Sexy band was way way better than the Revolution. Eric Leeds on the sax, Sheila, Katt, Atlantis Bliss, Levi , Miko Rosie Gaines voice and on keys . No comparison
He was mad in a way that he had to garner up the courage to fire people that he knew loved him - especially W&L and Bobby. Bobby was his Day 1. He had to "pump" himself up emotionally to go in a new direction. It's like fighting with your best friend - it doesn't come naturally so you have to pump yourself up. He loved those two girls, but knew that everyone had to breakup. L&W were going to ask for $$$; Bobby was just not strong enough to go whee he needed and BM was done.
Prince refused to be pigeonholed. He was a musical Dr. Frankenstein. He build bands that got to be bigger that HIS expectations. Then, he dismantled them. The Time terrified him. He made Wendy in to a star & an idol. She helped sell all the tours she was on w/ Prince. He was an idolmaker.
@Tony If you ever listen to the Electrifying Mojo interview, Prince mentioned when he toured w/ The Time, they killed his band every night. Prince quote- ‘I created a monster’. Not my words. Also, the part Wendy played in the movie was written for her. I can’t imagine Dez saying those lines. I’ve been to Prince concerts before the Purple Rain tour. And the demographics changed a lot. Wendy even influenced Teena Marie to make a video of her playing the guitar. You’re right about W & L’s albums. The 1st one was cool. The others….no!!
There were insinuations made that Prince was deeply angry about something, but nobody wanted to spill the tea. I wonder if it had something to do with Susannah Melvoin.
@Tony that's not true. Prince wanted to keep susannah, but he liked to play too. She just wasn't one to stand by and wait for him to become monogamist. He wrote "For ever in my life" about 6 months to late for her. Saying I want to keep you...I think he was seeing more than 4 girls at that time. Player of the year!
This was a awesome look into what really happen. I was blown away and sadden of their demise. This was his best band ever, and i had heard they were becoming more popular than him. Wow thanks again
I know you don't believe The Revolution were becoming more popular than Prince, lol. People were paying money to see Prince NOT the Revolution, lol. Prince was selling out arenas NOT the Revolution. You got jokes.
@@Sinnik22 what do U wanna know? I caught a tamborine, he and Jerome gave each other plenty of high fives on the 18th. At the 3rd show I Wonder U was replaced by Manic Monday which they rehearsed enormesly.
@@Sinnik22 certenly here in Holland. He did 7 shows here with the SOTT tour and filmed 2 shows for the movie. Most of it was not the quality U would expect for a film. That's why he re shoot that at Paisley but used the Rotterdam soundboard tapes. The flashing lighters in the crowd during Forever in my Life was amazing and he put that in the movie as well.
It never fails, no matter how much the people closest to Prince try to protect his reputation and NOT go full into the type of person Prince truly was behind scenes, if youre highly perceptive, you can see right through it all and the pain that’s in the back of the throats of everyone who speaks on him that he treated people like trash and discarded people when he no longer needed them or couldn’t handle hearing them say no to him. There’s this slight awkward angst in everyone’s voice that they all endured a lot of emotional passive aggressive abuse and had to go through hoops and high water just to eat and survive with Prince. He truly was not a nice person and that’s sad to see. I truly feel he was a narcissist that everyone had to learn to endure. I’ve heard countless interviews and they all have this numb unemotional way of describing some of the most harshest cruelest things they endured with their time working with Prince. You can tell it was just a way of life. But some people like Appolonia simply live in complete denial and have this glazed delusional way of expressing sentiments like “oh yeah he tapped my phone and put a private investigator on me, bc he just wanted to make sure I was right for the part”…. Like really?? 😳 That’s how you looked at it?? So he surely only kept delusional and or mindless types who would over look the abuse or the types that truly saw the stars and wanted a piece of it. But I have heard many of his closest colleagues all end up quitting completely or simply enduring. Nobody really ever sounds emphatic that he was a wonderful human. They’re all slightly covering up so much more and just do not want to expose the insanity they went through. That’s what I’ve noticed about most to all the interviews on him and this one was nothing less than that.
Wendy and Lisa didn’t admit they were upset he didn’t do their Dream factory project and he didn’t respect him wanting to expand HIS band, made it about them. They started being different as well when they didn’t get their way. Expanding the band have more entertainment on stage for the fans. The Revolution play awesome however mainly wears pretty outfits and play standing in place
I’m addicted to these! They are fantastic, you need a series! So well done! As much as I adore Prince I can’t help but think he was a lil bit grimey. To me the revolution was so key to his early accomplishments. I grew up with Prince and the revolution so to me when they weren’t there, something was missing. He was brutal when letting them go. I also have to admit when Tony M started rapping on his songs, I was skipping them. I just wasn’t feeling the NPG as much as I loved the revolution. Please keep making these I absolutely love them!
Understand Prince like other musical giants like James Brown and George Clinton were notoriously cheap with their bands they had. Nobody was getting rich in his camp but him
The part that’s not being mentioned here is that W&L quit before the Parade tour (while they were rehearsing in MPLS) and Prince had to send band members out to the airport to convince W&L to stay and return to the band to save the pending European tour. W&L were pissed at Prince for cheating on Susannah (P’s girlfriend, Wendy’s sister) and what they felt was P’s mistreatment of Susannah. And Brownmark tried to quit after the Purple Rain tour b/c he felt vastly underpaid but Prince convinced him to stay. All that bruised Prince’s ego and he harbored resentment against those 3 for that. He wanted to fire them rather than allow them to walk away from him. Prince had to be the one in control, the one running the show. That’s why he couldn’t take Jimmy Jam & Terry producing outside acts and why he couldn’t give them any props for the music they produced once they were on their own. Super talented guy but he had serious ego issues. It’s a shame the Revolution fell apart b/c their musical influence on Prince resulted in the most artistic and prolific period of his career. Their influence on him - particularly W&L introducing him to new sounds and new artists - was felt through Sign o The Times even though The Revolution was disbanded by the time Prince put SOTT together. And Prince’s albums were never as great after that (still legit but never the level of greatness he displayed from 1999 through SOTT). Attending the PR tour w The Revolution and later the Lovesexy tour w NPG - no comparison that The Revolution were the better band for Prince. W&L and Brownmark > Miko, Boni and Levi.
It’s there. But this happened earlier so check eps 14-16 of season 2 for the narrative of W&L quitting and how prince sent Bobby Z to the airport to stop them.
@Tony I agree with you. The NPG was the better band. The Time could even outplay The Revolution. I heard Jellybean say in an interview that they could outplay the Revolution with the exception of Prince. Prince had outgrown them and he needed stimulation. I can't believe Brown Mark would utter the words that P was jealous of him, lol. I can't believe that these people really think they made Prince. I will pass on seeing The Revolution or NPG, what's the point Prince isn't there. That's who people were paying to see, not his bands.
@Tony I agree, lovesexy band was better than revolution, and NPG was better than revolution. But wendy did solo on guitar. People are just stuck in the time prince was most popular. He has 100 songs better than the songs on PR. The radio never played them and people haven't heard them. I hear your voice, and love...thy will be done. I know they were released on other albums, but just ask 3 people if they have heard them.
MY BLACKNIFICENT BROTHA, WAS JUST LIKE JAMES BROWN, IF U WEREN'T ON POINT WIT JAMES U GOT FINED, N WIT PRINCE U GOT FIRED, OH WELL, TAKE THE GOOD WIT THE BAD. PEACE B UPON MY BELOVED BROTHA, N MAY ALLAH B PLEASED WITH HIM AMEEN.
I think unbeknownst to the band, the industry told him to cut out the "Rockstar Image" and turn the music more towards black soul sound. That's exactly what he did!
I just simply think he just outgrew the Revolution. The baddest band he had was NPG! The Revolution just happen to be with him during his first seven albums including monumental PURPLE RAIN. If you listen to some of the revolutions interviews. They actually think they were his equal, lol. They were hired and could be fired at anytime. If they were on his level. They wouldn’t have faded in the distance.
@@kamfisher1714 you done lost your damn mind. Then , you cannot be a true Prince fan. NPG was the baddest band he had, Prince even admitted that himself. The Revolution just happened to be with him during the height of the purple rain era, which a lot of people got into Prince at that time. Musicianship wise, the Revolution could not compare to the talent he had in the NPG. Doc was the only one he wanted to continue with his band, and played with NPG many times. He stated he outgrew them, and needed change in a big way.
🤔 Why would Jerome say that he was stunned 😳 when Prince fired him for working outside his (Prince’s) camp? Prince did the same thing to his (Jerome’s) older brother, Terry Lewis, for working with The SOS Band. Never underestimate a person treating you the same way he/she treats others. 😐
Prince was an angel. He never did anything mean or distasteful to his friends.............. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The bit about "nippleless bras and crotchless panties" was as much a manipulative statement as a parent saying to their children "You won't like this." about the ice cream they are enjoying. It was his way of saying, "You won't like where I'm going and I'm not going to ask you to go there." But Prince DIDN'T EVEN GO THERE.!! To have gone there would have meant moving backward. Prince never did that within his career. Is there anyone that was in Prince's employ that left an imprint like Wendy and Lisa? The truth was that Prince was losing power over Lisa and Wendy and he was not going to let them take him on their ride. And that is totally understandable. But they had not done anything wrong. They got fired for being too good, for becoming what they could not help becoming under his leadership. He felt threatened by Lisa and Wendy as he did by The Time. He took talented people who had real potential, and when they became MONSTERS they were gone.
,@@saa9099, It should not have been. They were getting that vibe from the time the band started to expand. Prince did not want to be left. He wanted to do the firing. I don't know if they were surprised as much as they were saddened by the reality of the cloud that had been looming for a while.
Lmao 😂 he wasn’t threatened by them at all. On top of them quitting before they went to Europe, he wanted to get back to doing everything himself. Y’all be reaching for the stars when y’all be talking about that movie band
@@rickstraws92 Laugh your azz off all you want!! Prince knew very well the artistic influence and input they had on Around the World in a Day and on Parade. They assisted him in turning out his music while he was busy making Cherry Moon. That is right from HIS lips in his television interview on MTV when he was in the middle of making that film. This is not them exaggerating what they did with and for him. ua-cam.com/video/otwXYWFUiB4/v-deo.html Timestamp 5:40 And from Prince's lips, on this very series, he says that The Revolution is the Best Band Ever!! And how could he not say that? He thought he was the best at what he did. Prince was only one man trying to keep all of his artistic plates spinning. He was trying to be a one-man-Motown. He succeeded at that for a little while. For the first album, he did everything. But, OH NO!! Prince needed help!! (Like there is shame in needing help to fulfill a vision) He needed to hire a band of people to go out on the road so his music could be performed on tour. Prince had an uncanny ability in spotting talented people and producing people who realized their potential under his tutelage. Prince hand-picked the people who made up The Revolution. So which is it?? Was Prince an idiot or a genius?? If the Revolution was a waste of time, then Prince is not the genius that everyone believes him to have been OR he truly was a genius. Prince rode his people hard because they represented him. They had to be as good as him. If they looked bad, if they were not at his level, then that would reflect on him. Those who put The Revolution down, and say they were just a "movie band" are also putting down the one they say made The Revolution. That is just nothing but contradiction. It's either one or the other. They had to have had great potential to keep up with him, and they had to believe in him and what he was about. He couldn't take them any higher than he was at the time. But with time, they could be his match. The Time definitely became his match so much so that he didn't want them showing him up. Wendy and Lisa, given challenges and responsibilities that they met and fulfilled, were on their way. That shows up in the album that so many people say is one of their favorites, Parade. Yeah, Lisa and Wendy quit because, with all the added responsibility, having evolved into more than being just session musicians, they felt they deserved to be paid more. They may not have been equals at that point, but Prince had promoted them. Had they been working in a different situation, that would have been done with formality . . . Ahem. . . . . "I want to thank you for your extraordinary efforts and for going above and beyond expectations. You have shown yourselves to be responsible and capable of meeting the daily challenges of my business. I am promoting you to "assistant composers" and your commensurate wages are increased to $$$$ " (or whatever would have been the appropriate title and wage.) I do not disagree with your statement that Prince wanted to get back to doing everything himself. That was a demotion for Wendy and Lisa. Not for not performing well, but too well. That is not good business practice. How were they to know that his trust and those opportunities were only temporary? This series is about bringing together all of the viewpoints of the people that worked for Prince, as well as the viewpoints of Prince, himself. Sinnik22 spells out in his description in this transitional episode why The Revolution was disbanded. There is nothing but praise for the work that they/Sinnik22 have presented here. But the band referred to by you as a "movie band" is referred to by Sinnik22 as "One of the most impactful backing bands in history . . . " They brought their talents and skills to Prince's vision and fought alongside him to cross over into the mainstream pop culture. They gave of their time and energy to his cause because they believed in him. Prince did not succeed despite The Revolution. He succeeded WITH them. But he was not going to share the spoils or the throne. Quoting Sinnik22--"the generals must be removed and the monarch must be revered." In the end, it would seem that Prince viewed the musicians that he hired, as interns that got a stipend to subsist on. In his view, it was the experience of working with and for him, that was the real payment. But I am pretty certain that this was not spelled out in any kind of contractual agreement. (Bobby, Matt, Brown Mark, and Lisa were there before his stardom was obvious.) But every musician who worked with him seemed to have the same misunderstanding. Did Prince ALWAYS believe that working with and for him was a privilege? The patterns can already be seen in the first 6 years. With his reputation as a worldwide rock star firmly in place, it will be easy to draft talented musicians who would give anything to work with Prince. (Who would not want to be near all of that creative energy??) And they, like The Revolution would give whatever was demanded of them. Each band would reflect where Prince was musically and reputedly. Prince was not going to ask Maceo Parker to be in his band in 1985. But he could ask Eric Leeds. IF the NPG was a better band than The Revolution, that was more a reflection of where Prince was in his career. The Revolution was the Band that Prince was worthy of putting together in his early career. He took them with him to one of, if not what is considered to be, the highest peaks of his career. Michael Bland, drummer for the band who first carried the name NPG was not a green drummer. He had been playing in clubs in Minneapolis when he was too young to be a customer. He has said a lot about his time with Prince. My favorite line is from his interview on The Prince Podcast where he says that working for Prince was like being a fireman referring to the fact that they were always on call. "Fire!!! Prince got a fire!!!" I laugh every time. Get ready because here we go!!!! . . . . . again.
WOW And to think back when Jesse Johnson did Shocadelica Jesse released it first that I remember and then Prince released his version sing on it as if he was pissed. You can hear in in his voice LOL WTF is going on I thought. I hear it was over a woman Jesse Took from him. Now I do not know if this was true but damn it was like the devil stalking on Jesse
@@kamfisher1714 let them tell it, if he was so dirty why did they want to stay, why did they want him to do their project? Nah just got too self induced and he parted ways, smartly so. He did them dirty by deciding to go in a different direction they what they wanted? And it’s his band ?!?
Yo, Thanks so much for this recent clip; great as always. But whassup with the JACKSON VIDS, MAN?!!? WE FEENDIN' RIGHT NOW. Please don't torture us with teasers. Let us know whassup!!
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Absolutely fantastic!
Of everyone you've interviewed you know the stories are so much alike.... he loved women.... music was his Love.... yet hated being alone but craved it.... Prince made people think they're the one.... the only one who wrote a book while he was alive Vanity.... everyone else got his Lawyer's....
Makes me laugh, "Prince doesn't like fans looking at him when he's not on stage"...I was at Wembley for his Parade Tour in 1986 and stood chatting to other fans at the rear gate and Prince came out and chatted to us...so the media talks garbage
Whenever they preface w “rumoured” you know it’s bs
I’m so glad to hear your story! You were so lucky to chat with Prince!! 💜
That's really cool
I was at diamonds and pearls in London he loved talking to us that’s why he did intimate shows towards the end
This should be on Netflix,, I'm not exaggerating 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I love how you think
Absolutely!! This is magic to us true Prince fans!! 💜💜💜
Prince was constantly evolving and wanted people around him to push him. He got to a point where the talent around him wasn’t cutting edge and he needed that.
In comes Sheila E & the Oakland posse
They couldn't play as good as him. He seemed to be upset with the way they played things. Like them playing Private joy pretty and him hardly singing the song
Nothing but TRUTH.
And his popularity and music went down because of that
I loved it when he was accepting or giving awards and he has to stand there and listen to them scream the whole time
Prince was about his music on every level. Rip
absolutely
I love Prince. Christopher Tracy's Parade, is one of my favorites!! I just don't like when folks comment on Prince wanting privacy. Who in the world doesn't want to be left alone sometimes? Prince was the BOSS HE COULD DO WHAT HE WANTED WITH HIS BANDS!
Agreed..
Addicted to the tales about Prince and his band members. Fasinating!
Thank you!!!
My man Prince he was an amazing musical genius!!! RIP brother!!!!
Prince was and ALWAYS BE MY NO.1 SINGER, ONLY SAW HIM LIVE AT THE MID SOUTH COLISEUM IN MEMPHIS FOR THE PURPLE RAIN TOUR, AND IT LEFT AN AMAZING IMPRESSION I'LL NEVER FORGET. HE'S GREAT. 🥰🥰🤩🤩🌹
I saw the Parade Tour at Madison Square Garden NYC Back in 86. Didn't know he didn't tour in the States really with the project. But, it was great the Girl I met in Europe saw him that year. I saw Sign O the Times Concert in Europe. He was awesome on that one. I thought he found his groove for playing Live on that Tour back in 87. When I hear how menacing Prince could be; I chuckle at that. I know what's it like to be moody as an Artist myself and want things to go a certain direction. It's not nice for others to be around me. But, its all good. He knew he wanted to move on. The Revolution period ,served its purpose.
Prince💕💞 had to go wherever his genius led him,he was always experimenting,always ahead of his peers,In fact Prince 💕had No peers,he had to move on from Purple Rain,he loved The Revolution,they were people he grew up with,but his genius was taking him in A New direction..There was No one like him,he competed against himself..A Great musician and Man,and we loved him,and his incredible music..Prince forever 💕❤️🤘👍
Facts, well stated (from the future)
Listen to Parade more than any other Prince album. There’s so much depth. It sounds like nothing else ever recorded. Wish he would have toured it, because it would have sold very well.
Same here
He did tour it at the time in '86 with The Revolution.
@@jeffwitter2734 I meant, I wish Prince would have supported Parade with a full US Tour, instead of only stopping at a few venues at the last minute. Prince had announced his retirement from touring after he released Around The World in a Day, so I had no idea he was on tour. I didn't even know about the Parade tour until I saw the Detroit bootleg during the Sign O The Times era. It's too bad, because the crowd still had Purple Rain fever which gave the shows that larger than life feel, plus the shows I've heard were some of the Revolution's best, IMO.
@@jeffwitter2734 That's what Detroit 1986 at that Masonic Temple was.
@@jeffwitter2734 He was getting ready for the LoveSexy project. You could easily tell by adding Eric Leeds & his horns plus Sheila E. and her percussion. The "hype men" of Brooks, Wally & Jerome was also used on L.S. tour. They were just a tad salty because they could sense their pink slip was on the way. The way Wendy talked she always seem to think that HE wasn't gonna go far minus HER...I guess she figured WRONG. "The Dream Factory" was okay. I owned it, but it was NOT the new band & the LoveSexy project.
You are doing the best work on this vast subject=Keep it up...I love what you are doing.
That's the plan! thank you for watching!
You know what's weird about this? I saw the Parade Tour at MSG. Definitely not a small intimate venue. Bought the tickets at Tower Records at least a month before the show. I guess I was lucky. The show was definitely more stripped down than the Purple Rain Tour
Was it a sold out packed MSG?
@@Modernaire Looked like it. I didn't look behind them. Lol.
Fantastic as always ⚡
Love getting all these details in an audio and visual form. Had never heard why he let Jerome go, great story; it sounds like Prince was in the mood for cutting strings and moving forward regardless of success. A truly definitive moment in the story of his life, thank you for taking us there 🙏🏼
It’s pleasure. If you wanna share…feel free ✌️☺️
It did not matter who was in The Revolution , he was always changing and would have moved on to a new thing anyway
Baruch Spinosa - The Revolution is iconic though. They hold a very special place in his history and music. The most special, I think.
@Tony Nah, Prince was the leader and front man, so of course he shined. It was their job to make him shine and accentuate his stage presence. You can say the same thing about any of his band iterations. Also, it’s important to note that the members of The Revolution were only in their late Teens/early Twenties, which, comparable to the experience of his later band members, is pretty remarkable. They added a lot to his music and sound.
Prince fired the Rev, that Revolution, to regain his name, it cleansed him for lack of a better word, of the burden of something that wasn't working or was being relegated to the past AND going out of style AND couldn't keep up and or produce where he felt he should and needed to go. New band members, even dancers, assured Prince would go there AND his band could keep up with him. Period. Certain band members of the Rev were given the option to stay, but they chose sides, out of being frustrated. It seemed certain members of the Revolution bought into 'and The Revolution".
@@Modernaire What hits did he after firing the revolution?
@@kamfisher1714 SOTT, U Got The Look, Batdance, GettOff, Cream, Mist Beautiful. There were others that charted as well, but you have to remember and keep in mind that the revolution did not write all the songs the question seems as if you’re saying that it required the revolution to have had a hit. But they didn’t do when doves cry they didn’t do 1999 little red Corvette, and specifically the Revolution that he fired was a fictional revolution. It wasn’t an actual real band revolution like the previous two purple rain. The counter revolution of the parade era was still somewhat of a fictional band in that the members, especially the male vines were brought in sort of for the film.
Your work is amazing!!
You too!!
Times change and music changes even faster.. when you have the attention of the world you have to make a decision to either stay where your at & become “tighter” or push the envelope even more that you have & do something different..either way it’s a roll of the dice..regardless of whatever era of Prince you favor I’m glad Prince got the opportunity to make changes with his music periodically and still be loved by the public..inarguably his commercial peak was with the Revolution but that was comparatively a short time and the middle to late 80’s was popping trends faster than most remember
Right, but they could have been any number of musicians that filled their spot, FACTS!!!
Yes.
Prince was the perfect example of an musical megalomaniac! 🧐
An artist as talented as Prince, has to stir the pot, once a while, to keep it interesting for himself and his friends. What made him so successful through the years, was his ability to reinvent himself and start from scratch. He was the greatest bandleader and if you see videos from live performances, it's obvious how well he could lead the band, to keep it interesting. He would change the setlist on the go.
He played music because he loved it and his creative juices were floating 24/7. I think when bands stop playing together and part ways, do it because they're getting bored and can't agree. Most doesn't have the guts to change anything, they're afraid that people won't buy their records and go to live gigs.
If you look at the most successful musicians over the time, they all have done some changes. It's a risk, but in most cases, it's a good decision.
It's kinda like when we seek a new job opportunities. In most cases we do it, because we're either bored, don't feel our contribution matters or our boss is an idiot, that don't care about our us. Why work for Amazon for minimum wage, if you can do something else, that doesn't take the same toll on you?
I see that Prince had flaws, but I will love Prince 2 the day eye die! 💜💜💜💜💜💜❤️
Him reinventing him so much wasn’t a good idea
I remember coming back from Brittany just to wait 4 hours at the Casino de Paris which was the only place to buy a ticket for Prince concert at Le Zénith in 1986, but I didn't know it would be one of his last concerts with The Revolution.
I was head of security at Glam Slam Minneapolis and worked security at Paisley. Serious business MAN!
Seriously serious
Thanks again for another one! You're a genius in your own right.
Wow, thank you!
caught up?
Also, Lisa and Wendy downplays still that they quit, threatened to quit a few times, requested ENORMOUS raises, and were actively talking to other recording studios... so they played a role in their own demise. I wish he had a chance to give his side AFTER they gave their interpretation of events. Yet, so glad to see Prince perform with them again in 2007/08 at Brit Awards... w/Wendy on Tavis Smiley show too.
🤘😊 time travel
Well ....
Wendy and Lisa working for Prince don't get songwriting credits. They don't get publishing royalties. This is probably why Brown Mark said, I gave you the best of me, and I have nothing to show for it. The only money they can earn is on the road, and performance royalties. They are hired hands. And it's very obvious the whole package of Prince and The Revolution is a sell.
It's not actively pursuing your own demise.
It's asking this dude to give them at least a wage that is equal to the crowds they're helping him bring in, the females in that crowd that look at Wendy & Lisa, and might start thinking, hey, I want to learn an instrument and be in a band too.
If he's not ever going to let them fully be a band and get songwriting credits, at least give them a salary that shows they're very much part of his success.
There is no other side he had to tell. He dismisses people in a heartbeat, because he's really just using them until he's done.
@@DrTomoculus Yup. Too many people want to put Prince on a pedestal, and not think that he was human. He made mistakes. He wasn't perfect.
Next up...Sheila E ...Really loving and enjoying these videos, thank you for sharing this story.
More to come!
Just found this series, I love it! Cant wait to watch them all. Thank u so much for making them :-)
Glad you like them!
I remember watching the AMAs when Prince presented that award!! I was so proud of him. Ironically, Diana Ross, the woman associated closely with MJ, introduced him.
Don't mention mj on this channel bro
@@ebonix33 seriously? Is there like a rule? Sinnik22 has a few MJ videos on this channel. I suggest you grow up and mind your business
@@ebonix33 dude that made the video liked it. I guess you didn't notice that
Prince and MJ were cordial.
Wow🤯 my favorite time of all time. To me that’s the pinnacle! You nailed this one! Another masterpiece!!! Thanks so much! Can’t wait for the next!
Mine too! def this is where things get interesting
His hug to Boni Boyer during Purple Rain that was edited out here was another sign. She soloed on the song earlier where you can also see Prince "rolling his arms" at her for her to become louder. That's as big a sign as smashing guitars.
I REALLY LIKED BONI BOYER!!!!!!!!!
@@704JOE yep,Boni’s singing on the Line ,is literally otherworldly..
What Prince was doing by expanding the band to include the members of Sheila E's band and the Family was to road test what would become the first incarnation of the New Power Generation.
And as Mark says here, that WAS the name of the band, not the Lovesexy band but NPG from the get-go. Heck, what are the first words spoken on the Lovesexy album? "Welcome to the new power generation."
These days, if you see the Revolution live, Dr Fink wears NPG-era Scrubs.
But outside of the line on the album, Prince never said it. It was never official til 91. Brownmark wasn’t around so how would he know?
@@rickstraws92 Err... Did you even pay attention to what was being said in this clip? Here's Mark saying that Prince invited him to Paisley Park to negotiate joining the NPG alongside Dr. Fink.
He also mentions it during the interviews The Revolution did with Spin magazine.
Hell yeah, Mark was around, he SHOULD know!
And err, look up the footage of the "Lovesexy" tour the costumes the band wore had "NPG" on them and "New Power generation" was spelled all over the stage.
@@RastaSaiyaman just because mark says it doesn’t make it accurate. Just because I was somewhere doesn’t guarantee the truth; especially post Prince’s passing . Mark says a lot of shit. Second. The band in 87-88 didn’t have an official name. He said new power generation on the album never announced them as they. Simple as that. It’s a clearly researchable fact.
I said OFFICIALLY meaning on released products.
@@RastaSaiyaman yes NPG was on their clothes but again lovesexy Batman graffiti bridge were all Prince solo albums. They were the band with no name cause they didn’t have one
Seems like the revolution thought they deserved to be in prince spot with him and wanted to be calling shots but they are a backing band. And he had to show them that prince got here by himself
Prince was mad jimmy jam n terry lewis was kicking his ass on the charts n 86
@Tony janet jackson control album 😂 stop acting like you don't know why he had to go back to his original style
@Tony Janet Jackson, SOS Band, Alexander O’Neal, Cherelle, Human League…. Jimmy and Terry produced a lot of rnb and some pop hits back then
@Tony
*Producers for Janet Jackson* !
Parade is my favorite prince album.
This is a gem. Such a great find.
💜💜💜 THANK U 💜💜💜
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💜💜💜 THANK U 💜💜💜
I Saw prince Paris Zénith 1986. Best concert of my life.
"A new group of supports will be raised up." In actuality, he had been raising them up, right under the noses of The Revolution, all along. It is not like they were blind to it. But quite a number of them had dovetailed right into "The Counter-Revolution" which was a transitional band. Cat Glover was not new to Prince, having worked as a choreographer for Vanity 6? Only a few pieces were missing and he didn't have to try too hard to find them. i.e. Sheila E!'s band. Your view of the era of The Revolution is spot-on, and sadly true. I see the King on the throne, tassels and all.
Dam how many people actually read the description? #impressive.
The comments add so much. And this one is def one of those! 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿
@@Sinnik22 that’s a dope description! Good to point that out. Now I need to go back and read the others! You are doing it Sinnik22! There are not enough props
@Tony I don't know if sheila's band was better than the revolution, but prince had to reign in some, as we heard people were saying "No" to prince as an equal. I think there was a hierarchy in loyalty to prince as he sees it. Brown mark wasn't as humble, if you watch Levi on the Nude tour, he was in a trance, I understand and appreciate how he watched prince, he was going to get this right, with his mouth open. I absolutely love Levi on base at the time. Prince believed he could trust Levi with a department in his company, and I understand Levi didn't want to set at a desk, he wanted to play music, so he did make the right decision. But who did Levi move with from paisley?
@@saa9099 they were a million times better than the Revolution 😂
Prince was brimming with ideas for lyrics, basslines, guitar riffs, and drum patterns. When he got an idea, HE would innovate on his ideas (and sometimes those picked up during jam sessions) until he finished a song, making it into a musical piece of art. He would work very quickly so he would NOT LOSE THE IDEA. He would get after his engineers if they were not working quickly enough, lest they "lose the groove." KEEPING THE IDEA ALIVE was why Prince built Paisley Park and why people were on-call. Prince did not know how to communicate music to people or himself on paper. It was all done by recording it as he played what he heard in his head.
Ideas are the seeds of innovation and Prince had notebooks full of ideas/seeds. Sometimes, to communicate his ideas to people, he would make a recording. He did this with Brownmark when he communicated his Idea for the song "Kiss" which was communicated using simple chords on an acoustic guitar and his vocal. When Prince gave Brownmark that cassette, it was an IDEA, a SEED. Prince says, "See what you can do with this."
Brownmark was not impressed. "What are we supposed to do with that? But he and David Z innovated on that IDEA and nurtured the IDEA and grew it into something beyond what they had been given. That song, taken back by Prince, bore fruit, but not for Brown Mark. Taking that song back was like taking back an apple tree that had been nurtured by a greenhouse and was about to bear apples. I'll take that back. That song/tree is too good for you, Brown Mark and David Z's time and energy that they put into that song, brought Prince's initial idea to the point of being fruitful. They added value. Mark received no compensation for the time, energy, or creativity that he added to Prince's IDEA.
During the time when Prince was working on Under the Cherry Moon, Prince continued to get ideas for songs and gave recordings of his ideas to Lisa and Wendy. They innovated on and nurtured his ideas and KEPT THEM ALIVE in hopes that they would bear fruit. Prince always did this work himself. But he passed his work onto Lisa and Wendy because he was overwhelmed. Lisa and Wendy were doing the work that Prince had always done HIMSELF. They were given the responsibility of taking his ideas and making them into finished pieces of musical art. The only way the work was going to be done, and the music not lost, was to MAKE THE GIRLS HIS EQUALS, to trust them to do HIS work. This idea of being his equals did not originate with them. It originated with Prince for a relatively short time, as it suited him.
Once Pandora's box was opened, it could not be closed. Prince could not tolerate anyone being his peer because that would require listening, allowing others to voice their opinion, conflict resolution, compromising, admitting that someone else's way is worth trying, or that one is wrong. We are not told in these clips what the fighting was about, but I think I understand better now.
Wendy and Lisa experienced Prince in different ways; as a teacher, a boss, a brother, a friend, and as a peer with the responsibility and challenge of standing in his shoes to KEEP HIS IDEAS ALIVE. For Prince, it was a necessary evil and he became uncomfortable with their new status. And with one crass, misogynistic remark, couched in something that had undertones of concern and looking out for them, they were demoted from peer composers to sexual objects, heartbroken and so ashamed of THE WAY that they were let go that they couldn't even talk to the press when less than two years earlier, they were being asked for interviews as members of the cast of Purple Rain.
Many of the people that worked for Prince were on-the-job trained and received their diploma/credentials from The Prince-town University of Hard Knocks. IMO, that is a very effective way to learn. It was much of their compensation/privilege in working with/for Prince because he was not all that generous in compensating people monetarily. But the problem was that they were in danger of becoming ostracized if they tried to use their diploma/credentials on a "resume" to find additional work (Roy Bennett for Queen, Jimmy/Terry for the SOS Band, Jerome Benton for Janet Jackson, and Herb Alpert, for examples) especially when The Dean considered the one on "the other side of the fence" to be his competition/rival/enemy.
And I still listen to his music . . . . and those who worked with and for him love him and are grateful to him for what he gave them . . . even Wendy and Lisa who have the right to tell their story about their relationship with Prince that brought them great joy, but also, at times, brought great pain.
P.S. I had not seen this till yesterday: ua-cam.com/video/SqXT3FVPgLU/v-deo.html and had no knowledge of Jerome's post-Prince career with Janet Jackson or Herb Albert. So that information continues the pattern of the fall-out of Prince relationships. I had heard about Jelly Bean working with Jimmy and Terry in concert with Janet. They all brought a lot to the table after having worked with Prince. Losing good people to other companies when people have not been treated well happens a lot in the corporate world. There is a lot of competition for good, creative people. All the time and money lost when good people leave ends up being someone else's gain. Prince put so much time and energy into talented people only to lose them, not valuing them for what they brought and for what they learned while they were with him, tossing them aside, and was upset when others saw their value and employed them.
such intense detailing. love it
@@Sinnik22 Thanks for reading and appreciating the intensity of the details. I guess I have always paid attention to them. Thanks.
"Little sister make minimum wage!" *then points to Wendy. He did that in the America live video.
Prince could dig into em couldn’t he. A Leeds said prince would talk s about your faults & your mama
WOW! @ 1:14 Talk about your blast from the past! I got into so much trouble waiting to see this premire and being late for a rehersal just to catch the video. Boy, was it worth it! BTW, I can see why he had a problem with that whole J.J. performance.
Love these videos!! Keep ‘em coming!
More to come!
Being have lived in a suburb of Minneapolis all my life, prince was amazing,he loved us ,and we loved him.💜 When he met Mayte he opened up, he was so in love, he was moving on. Then he lost two babies, had an affair with Manuela and from there he spiraled into a world he would stay . Rest in peace my sweet prince, you are now with amiir your loving son.
He had an affair with Manuela? New to me. Was it after Mayte's fling? In Spain? In my view, Prince was truly in love with Denise, for all time. With Amir and Denise, his father and mother.
@@Modernaire So who cheated first??
He actually didn’t fire them, he disbanded the musicians known as the Revolution because he wanted another type of musician to interpret his new music. His acting pissed is him hating what he has to do and if he turns them against him, that may quit. The Revolution wanted full term partnership and equal income forgetting they were only Queen employees. It was a very hard business decision that Prince had to learn. WB were upsetting him also. He learnt that your mentor is not your friend or on the payroll. He learnt he had qto move forward on his own to reshape his dream and keep his independence and individuality.
Great points. They all seem to say they were fired. I guess it’s perspective. Great comments!
Thank you! As always, SUPERB!!!!! need to srnd you a gift for the holidays!
stay smiling and be who I see you already are on IG!! dassit
So entertaining! So informative! So Sinnik22! ♥️
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@Sinnik22 😘
Parade is my favorite album. I love this era.
that and 1999 are my 2 faves...ive been liking parade more and more over the years ...
Fancy seeing you here. It's Avon
Mine too....Very happy music and simple....
The fact that Lisa classified both Wendy and herself as [kinda] equals to Prince says it all. They failed to understand that they were not his equals - on any level. Pride comes before a fall. The narrative spun by the four expelled members of The Revolution - reeks of self importance and how much they actually bought into the heady notions of the actual dream factory. Cutting ties with all those that straddled the fence (Jerome included) was genius. The four members of The Revolution couldn't handle when it became a revolving door of musicians and vibes, that they themselves didn't orchestrate. The negativity that Rivkin, Melvoin, Coleman and Brown displayed came from their over inflated sense of ego. And that was put right by their swift removal from the process. He wanted a different, better group of musicians, and this he got - with the band of 87-89. Prince was in charge, they were hired guns, good hired guns, but them being equal to Prince, only exists in their minds.
they did some stuff tho
THIS! Especially considering that Wendy was barely 20 when Prince gave her the opportunity to be in the band. The whole idea of "equals" is almost laughable. He was a star before Purple Rain. So they were never equal to the point that they were deserving of a part of his fame. They were a backing band, and they let their egos get the best of them. If you look at all the people who played with Prince, (many of them longer than the Revolution members), you never hear them speaking the way Wendy and Lisa did, as if they were somehow equals. They understood that Prince was their BOSS. And yes, MANY of the NPG musicians contributed and did some major things with Prince. Some for far longer and with far more quantity than any of the Revolution. But they always view and speak of their time with him as a wonderful gift, and how they were able to learn and grow from their exposure and collaboration with his genius. You never hear them talk about or behave as if they were his equals. I lost quite a bit of respect for the whole Wendy-Lisa-Susannah triangle after that group of interviews and podcasts regarding Purple Rain and SOTT. Wendy sounded bitter and crazy, and Lisa had "memories" of things that didn't add up with some of the timelines. Susannah went on and on about the four of them "just living and loving each other" as if the rest of the world didn't exist and Prince somehow needed their presence at all times, which was BS, because during that time Prince was working on albums for The Time, The Family, Sheila E, and numerous others. The man was a workaholic during that time, and probably did very little outside of creating and performing, and had very little time for anyone. He had about a 7-10 year period where he was constantly working. And he was dating so many women during that time that the notion of Susannah being a fiance that he was seriously going to marry is hard to believe. That man was married to his music heavily during that time. I think he felt that they were basically smothering him with their nonsense and needed to let them go. He fired Wendy and Lisa first, which says a lot about what he was feeling about them at the time. Fink, he kept around for a few years as part of the NPG. Unlike the other Revolution members, Fink was a truly capable musician, and I think Prince had real respect for his talent. But Wendy and Lisa...Equals?...🤣🤣🤣🤣
You just explained this so well and perfectly thank you 🙌🏽 they just wanted to it to be them and never were open to change and growing and that’s why Prince needed a new band and a new vibe because they were becoming very egotistical especially Wendy and Lisa and they weren’t even original band members especially Wendy like your the last one to come in yet you have one of the biggest egos and feel very entitled like no Prince made the right move. 💯
@@dejagreen806 I thought he stated it correctly as well. While I recognize their presence in Prince's journey, as I do all of those who were a part of it, I've lost quite a bit of respect for Wendy and Lisa. Wendy's bitterness is particularly bothersome as she was the last one hired, probably the most inexperienced, and yet feels like she is owed so much. I think Prince was pretty fed up and disappointed in them, which is why he started blending members of Sheila's band on stage with them. Prince was a genius artist. People like that are driven and are always thinking ahead. They believed that they were part of some crazy love triangle, along with the sister Susannah. During that time Prince was seeing/dating numerous women and was constantly working on albums and songs for different albums. Where, or why, he would have had the time to indulge their egos and fantasies of him belonging to only them or them having equal billings on songs escapes me. They were not musicians that could produce the level of the sound and direction that he wanted to grow with, yet in their heads, they believed they were top-notch. They were probably bringing a lot of drama and negative energy, which was affecting his creative process. He probably felt like he absolutely had to fire them, and luckily for us, he did. I can't imagine some songs ever being performed proficiently live with them as the backing band. Can you imagine the Revolution performing Musicology, Gett Off, Cream, or anything off The Rainbow Children album? Nope!
@@AlexanderNevermind888 yes their time with Prince was the only time they needed to be with him. I can’t imagine them being the backing band for SOTT and Lovesexy because they just wanted to keep being that Purple Rain band and Wendy and Lisa definitely lived up to how they were portrayed in the movie by being the nagging group members and they were the main ones not being accepting towards the new people coming in like the bodyguards who were brought in to bring more diversity/color but entertainment and more life to the performances and even Eric Leeds the saxophone player who was older than all of them and had a lot of music experience and was affiliated with James Brown one of Prince’s big influences you think he would’ve been respected and welcomed by the band but he wasn’t Alan confirmed that. Also Im tired of this love story narrative with Susannah too because he was messing with Devin, Sheila, Jill and whoever else at the time as well and I don’t believe all those classic songs Prince made are about her either she’s full of it. I like this series because we are hearing multiple people’s perspectives and then explaining their side of situations and not just the Revolution band members. This is why I wish Prince had finished his memoir so we could get his side and know the truth once and for all.
Great episode. Awesome job 💜
Prince and the Revolution 💜🎶💜🎶💜🎶💜🎶💜🕊
Prince couldn't be mad at jerome benton terry lewis was his blood brothers
this is just so good.. you keep getting better and better
Thank you for being so encouraging 🤩
A phenomenon without the end
Thanks God 💜
I'm a 90s baby and I grew up with NPG and the other bands Prince had up until his passing but when I discovered Purple Rain and The Revolution when I was 13, they became a favorite of mine. Prince always wanted to grow as a artist and its a shame of how it went down
Curious, what year did you discover purple rain?
@@Sinnik22 Oh it was 2003! My mom listened to Prince and I was only allowed to listen to the "clean" songs. But I vaguely remember watching Purple Rain on TV and I just fell in love. And I was the only person in my friend group who knew who Prince was and who have seen Purple Rain
@@princesskristan Lmbao 🤣
@@mrquick6775 I remember the first time I heard Head. My mind was fucking blown
@@princesskristan Well if you heard my stuff it would really be blown..😀
Why was prince so mad? The revolution was the best band he ever had in my opinion. So sad. 💜
I agree 100%
Lmao 😂 no
Prince wasn’t like regular people,he was a genius,they,wether they be mathematicians or musicians,like a Mozart,Einstein ,or Prince 💕,they don’t operate the same way as the rest of us,their brains are different,hence his rage and smashing his guitar 🎸,he felt he was being stifled,that was the origin of Prince’s rage during that time..Genius humans are almost a species apart from the rest of us.....p.s.,From what I’ve read about his time at school,even then, they,being his school knew he was something special,and was practically left alone to do what he liked,his genius was recognised very early on,I mean he could read music from a very early age,and had a photo memory..
True
The Revolution was the more popular but definitely not the most talented. That Sign of the time band or Love Sexy band was way way better than the Revolution. Eric Leeds on the sax, Sheila, Katt, Atlantis Bliss, Levi , Miko Rosie Gaines voice and on keys . No comparison
a lot of times, Wendy a LISA are the ones from the movie that looked pissed off .
Again, absolutely superb!!!!
Wow, thank you!
Just keep sending the videos and we will keep sharing them. TRUTH BE TOLD!
I appreciate that. we will
Amazing work my friend!! 💜💖
Many thanks my friend!!! 🥳🤩
@@Sinnik22 You are sweet! 💕 do you know when the Prince bio on Netflix is coming? I can’t wait for it!! 💜❤️🌹
God, Wendy sure loves to talk.
farreel
The last one to join the band has the most to say. Interesting isn’t it. 🤣
@@chica4530 And Prince stopped being relevant soon after 🤣🤣
Without the firing of the Revolution there wouldn't have been Sign O the Times. Wish that he'd have reunited with them in the 90s.
He was mad in a way that he had to garner up the courage to fire people that he knew loved him - especially W&L and Bobby. Bobby was his Day 1. He had to "pump" himself up emotionally to go in a new direction. It's like fighting with your best friend - it doesn't come naturally so you have to pump yourself up. He loved those two girls, but knew that everyone had to breakup. L&W were going to ask for $$$; Bobby was just not strong enough to go whee he needed and BM was done.
So sad. So true. Prince needed that momentum. Fueled it w anger.
Prince refused to be pigeonholed. He was a musical Dr. Frankenstein. He build bands that got to be bigger that HIS expectations. Then, he dismantled them. The Time terrified him. He made Wendy in to a star & an idol. She helped sell all the tours she was on w/ Prince. He was an idolmaker.
If The Time terrified him who's to thank? The Genius himself. 👏
I agree..Wendy is certainly a star because of her work with Prince 💕,and a highly respected guitarist,also Wendy has become a feminist icon..
@Tony If you ever listen to the Electrifying Mojo interview, Prince mentioned when he toured w/ The Time, they killed his band every night. Prince quote- ‘I created a monster’. Not my words. Also, the part Wendy played in the movie was written for her. I can’t imagine Dez saying those lines. I’ve been to Prince concerts before the Purple Rain tour. And the demographics changed a lot. Wendy even influenced Teena Marie to make a video of her playing the guitar. You’re right about W & L’s albums. The 1st one was cool. The others….no!!
@Tony …..and you had people repeating or validating what he said goes further that what is said, at the time. FACTS!!!
Thank U
You're welcome!
Prince's my fav but damn he was cold
As always, EXCELLENT doc! 👍👍
Wow, thanks!
There were insinuations made that Prince was deeply angry about something, but nobody wanted to spill the tea. I wonder if it had something to do with Susannah Melvoin.
Subtext. Definitely Susannah
@Tony that's not true. Prince wanted to keep susannah, but he liked to play too. She just wasn't one to stand by and wait for him to become monogamist. He wrote "For ever in my life" about 6 months to late for her. Saying I want to keep you...I think he was seeing more than 4 girls at that time. Player of the year!
This was a awesome look into what really happen. I was blown away and sadden of their demise. This was his best band ever, and i had heard they were becoming more popular than him. Wow thanks again
I know you don't believe The Revolution were becoming more popular than Prince, lol. People were paying money to see Prince NOT the Revolution, lol. Prince was selling out arenas NOT the Revolution. You got jokes.
You are delusional and the way you’re talking is the very reason he fired they azz!!!
Show opener ( ATWIAD ) is from 17-8-1986 in Rotterdam. I was there. As well as the 18th en 19th by the wasy
Details…?😃
@@Sinnik22 what do U wanna know? I caught a tamborine, he and Jerome gave each other plenty of high fives on the 18th. At the 3rd show I Wonder U was replaced by Manic Monday which they rehearsed enormesly.
wow...thats real detail. I hear that Prince really expanded his fan base with that tour and Sign o the Times in 1987
@@Sinnik22 certenly here in Holland. He did 7 shows here with the SOTT tour and filmed 2 shows for the movie. Most of it was not the quality U would expect for a film. That's why he re shoot that at Paisley but used the Rotterdam soundboard tapes. The flashing lighters in the crowd during Forever in my Life was amazing and he put that in the movie as well.
"If you don't know, NOW you know".
facts
PRINCE MADE A BIG MISTAKE BESIDES THE SIGN OF THE TIMES ALBUM HIS MUSIC WENT DOWN AFTER LEAVING THE REVOLUTION!!
Bullshyt! He was already on his way down, in fact he should have cut them sooner..
Shut up... prince dropped them because they had no soul... new power generation 💪 was greater
@@ebonix33 Lmao it sucked
It never fails, no matter how much the people closest to Prince try to protect his reputation and NOT go full into the type of person Prince truly was behind scenes, if youre highly perceptive, you can see right through it all and the pain that’s in the back of the throats of everyone who speaks on him that he treated people like trash and discarded people when he no longer needed them or couldn’t handle hearing them say no to him. There’s this slight awkward angst in everyone’s voice that they all endured a lot of emotional passive aggressive abuse and had to go through hoops and high water just to eat and survive with Prince. He truly was not a nice person and that’s sad to see. I truly feel he was a narcissist that everyone had to learn to endure. I’ve heard countless interviews and they all have this numb unemotional way of describing some of the most harshest cruelest things they endured with their time working with Prince. You can tell it was just a way of life. But some people like Appolonia simply live in complete denial and have this glazed delusional way of expressing sentiments like “oh yeah he tapped my phone and put a private investigator on me, bc he just wanted to make sure I was right for the part”…. Like really?? 😳
That’s how you looked at it?? So he surely only kept delusional and or mindless types who would over look the abuse or the types that truly saw the stars and wanted a piece of it. But I have heard many of his closest colleagues all end up quitting completely or simply enduring. Nobody really ever sounds emphatic that he was a wonderful human. They’re all slightly covering up so much more and just do not want to expose the insanity they went through. That’s what I’ve noticed about most to all the interviews on him and this one was nothing less than that.
Wendy and Lisa didn’t admit they were upset he didn’t do their Dream factory project and he didn’t respect him wanting to expand HIS band, made it about them. They started being different as well when they didn’t get their way. Expanding the band have more entertainment on stage for the fans. The Revolution play awesome however mainly wears pretty outfits and play standing in place
it is a shame he had to spend so much time fighting the record companies for hijacking his soul and likeness. I'm sure it took a lot out of him
Poor Jerome I didn't know he did something with Janet that had to be cool Prince ruined it
From a musical and artistic point of view Prince was constantly moving on so no one could keep track with him… imho
Love it all sirs!
Glad to hear it!
MINNEAPOLIS!!!!!! (JANET JACKSON VOICE)
I’m addicted to these! They are fantastic, you need a series! So well done! As much as I adore Prince I can’t help but think he was a lil bit grimey. To me the revolution was so key to his early accomplishments. I grew up with Prince and the revolution so to me when they weren’t there, something was missing. He was brutal when letting them go. I also have to admit when Tony M started rapping on his songs, I was skipping them. I just wasn’t feeling the NPG as much as I loved the revolution. Please keep making these I absolutely love them!
We really thank you for this enthusiasm!
LOL
Understand Prince like other musical giants like James Brown and George Clinton were notoriously cheap with their bands they had. Nobody was getting rich in his camp but him
💖💖💖🌹🌹🌹💋💋I still love you prince forever 🍯 and I love your music forever 🍯🌹💖🤤😋💕💕
The part that’s not being mentioned here is that W&L quit before the Parade tour (while they were rehearsing in MPLS) and Prince had to send band members out to the airport to convince W&L to stay and return to the band to save the pending European tour. W&L were pissed at Prince for cheating on Susannah (P’s girlfriend, Wendy’s sister) and what they felt was P’s mistreatment of Susannah. And Brownmark tried to quit after the Purple Rain tour b/c he felt vastly underpaid but Prince convinced him to stay. All that bruised Prince’s ego and he harbored resentment against those 3 for that. He wanted to fire them rather than allow them to walk away from him. Prince had to be the one in control, the one running the show. That’s why he couldn’t take Jimmy Jam & Terry producing outside acts and why he couldn’t give them any props for the music they produced once they were on their own. Super talented guy but he had serious ego issues.
It’s a shame the Revolution fell apart b/c their musical influence on Prince resulted in the most artistic and prolific period of his career. Their influence on him - particularly W&L introducing him to new sounds and new artists - was felt through Sign o The Times even though The Revolution was disbanded by the time Prince put SOTT together. And Prince’s albums were never as great after that (still legit but never the level of greatness he displayed from 1999 through SOTT).
Attending the PR tour w The Revolution and later the Lovesexy tour w NPG - no comparison that The Revolution were the better band for Prince. W&L and Brownmark > Miko, Boni and Levi.
It’s there. But this happened earlier so check eps 14-16 of season 2 for the narrative of W&L quitting and how prince sent Bobby Z to the airport to stop them.
@@Sinnik22 I will. Your videos are awesome 👍🏻
Also eps 12-14 has the brownmark post PR resignation and berry Gordy meeting. It’s all there bruv. You def know your details.
@Tony I agree with you. The NPG was the better band. The Time could even outplay The Revolution. I heard Jellybean say in an interview that they could outplay the Revolution with the exception of Prince. Prince had outgrown them and he needed stimulation. I can't believe Brown Mark would utter the words that P was jealous of him, lol. I can't believe that these people really think they made Prince. I will pass on seeing The Revolution or NPG, what's the point Prince isn't there. That's who people were paying to see, not his bands.
@Tony I agree, lovesexy band was better than revolution, and NPG was better than revolution. But wendy did solo on guitar. People are just stuck in the time prince was most popular. He has 100 songs better than the songs on PR. The radio never played them and people haven't heard them. I hear your voice, and love...thy will be done. I know they were released on other albums, but just ask 3 people if they have heard them.
MY BLACKNIFICENT BROTHA, WAS JUST LIKE JAMES BROWN, IF U WEREN'T ON POINT WIT JAMES U GOT FINED, N WIT PRINCE U GOT FIRED, OH WELL, TAKE THE GOOD WIT THE BAD.
PEACE B UPON MY BELOVED BROTHA, N MAY ALLAH B PLEASED WITH HIM
AMEEN.
Beautiful.
THANK U
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LET'S GO WE READY.....
Why'd he do it Mark?! Tell me why he was upset! I'm chomping at the bit for the next episode as usual. 🙄
I think unbeknownst to the band, the industry told him to cut out the "Rockstar Image" and turn the music more towards black soul sound. That's exactly what he did!
The Revolution should have upstagged Prince’s new band in that last show.
You are delusional my friend.. Prince was the MAIN attraction..
@@mrquick6775 I’m talking 💩about the Revolution vs the new band.
Prince knew the revolution where afraid of him I would have said ok you don't want me to play at sound check then why I am here again lol
Rip legend 💟💟💟
I just simply think he just outgrew the Revolution. The baddest band he had was NPG! The Revolution just happen to be with him during his first seven albums including monumental PURPLE RAIN. If you listen to some of the revolutions interviews. They actually think they were his equal, lol. They were hired and could be fired at anytime. If they were on his level. They wouldn’t have faded in the distance.
Say it say it,tell them,tell them, keep telling them
artists need room to grow.
NPG sucked. Not a song I can remember.
@@noname-we1rf Y’all are acting like prince was dominating the charts after the revolution left🤣😂😂😂 tell that
@@kamfisher1714 you done lost your damn mind. Then , you cannot be a true Prince fan. NPG was the baddest band he had, Prince even admitted that himself. The Revolution just happened to be with him during the height of the purple rain era, which a lot of people got into Prince at that time. Musicianship wise, the Revolution could not compare to the talent he had in the NPG. Doc was the only one he wanted to continue with his band, and played with NPG many times. He stated he outgrew them, and needed change in a big way.
Where can I find the concert in such good quality like this?
🤔 Why would Jerome say that he was stunned 😳 when Prince fired him for working outside his (Prince’s) camp? Prince did the same thing to his (Jerome’s) older brother, Terry Lewis, for working with The SOS Band. Never underestimate a person treating you the same way he/she treats others. 😐
Jerome shoulda betta known betta
@@Sinnik22 😂🤣😂
Prince was an angel. He never did anything mean or distasteful to his friends..............
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The bit about "nippleless bras and crotchless panties" was as much a manipulative statement as a parent saying to their children "You won't like this." about the ice cream they are enjoying. It was his way of saying, "You won't like where I'm going and I'm not going to ask you to go there." But Prince DIDN'T EVEN GO THERE.!! To have gone there would have meant moving backward. Prince never did that within his career.
Is there anyone that was in Prince's employ that left an imprint like Wendy and Lisa? The truth was that Prince was losing power over Lisa and Wendy and he was not going to let them take him on their ride. And that is totally understandable. But they had not done anything wrong. They got fired for being too good, for becoming what they could not help becoming under his leadership. He felt threatened by Lisa and Wendy as he did by The Time. He took talented people who had real potential, and when they became MONSTERS they were gone.
Wendy and lisa quit and came back before he fired them, why was it a surprise?
,@@saa9099, It should not have been. They were getting that vibe from the time the band started to expand. Prince did not want to be left. He wanted to do the firing. I don't know if they were surprised as much as they were saddened by the reality of the cloud that had been looming for a while.
Lmao 😂 he wasn’t threatened by them at all. On top of them quitting before they went to Europe, he wanted to get back to doing everything himself. Y’all be reaching for the stars when y’all be talking about that movie band
@@rickstraws92 Laugh your azz off all you want!!
Prince knew very well the artistic influence and input they had on Around the World in a Day and on Parade. They assisted him in turning out his music while he was busy making Cherry Moon. That is right from HIS lips in his television interview on MTV when he was in the middle of making that film. This is not them exaggerating what they did with and for him. ua-cam.com/video/otwXYWFUiB4/v-deo.html Timestamp 5:40 And from Prince's lips, on this very series, he says that The Revolution is the Best Band Ever!! And how could he not say that? He thought he was the best at what he did.
Prince was only one man trying to keep all of his artistic plates spinning. He was trying to be a one-man-Motown. He succeeded at that for a little while. For the first album, he did everything. But, OH NO!! Prince needed help!! (Like there is shame in needing help to fulfill a vision) He needed to hire a band of people to go out on the road so his music could be performed on tour. Prince had an uncanny ability in spotting talented people and producing people who realized their potential under his tutelage. Prince hand-picked the people who made up The Revolution.
So which is it?? Was Prince an idiot or a genius?? If the Revolution was a waste of time, then Prince is not the genius that everyone believes him to have been OR he truly was a genius. Prince rode his people hard because they represented him. They had to be as good as him. If they looked bad, if they were not at his level, then that would reflect on him. Those who put The Revolution down, and say they were just a "movie band" are also putting down the one they say made The Revolution. That is just nothing but contradiction. It's either one or the other. They had to have had great potential to keep up with him, and they had to believe in him and what he was about.
He couldn't take them any higher than he was at the time. But with time, they could be his match. The Time definitely became his match so much so that he didn't want them showing him up. Wendy and Lisa, given challenges and responsibilities that they met and fulfilled, were on their way. That shows up in the album that so many people say is one of their favorites, Parade.
Yeah, Lisa and Wendy quit because, with all the added responsibility, having evolved into more than being just session musicians, they felt they deserved to be paid more.
They may not have been equals at that point, but Prince had promoted them. Had they been working in a different situation, that would have been done with formality . . . Ahem. . . . .
"I want to thank you for your extraordinary efforts and for going above and beyond expectations. You have shown yourselves to be responsible and capable of meeting the daily challenges of my business. I am promoting you to "assistant composers" and your commensurate wages are increased to $$$$ " (or whatever would have been the appropriate title and wage.) I do not disagree with your statement that Prince wanted to get back to doing everything himself. That was a demotion for Wendy and Lisa. Not for not performing well, but too well. That is not good business practice. How were they to know that his trust and those opportunities were only temporary?
This series is about bringing together all of the viewpoints of the people that worked for Prince, as well as the viewpoints of Prince, himself. Sinnik22 spells out in his description in this transitional episode why The Revolution was disbanded. There is nothing but praise for the work that they/Sinnik22 have presented here. But the band referred to by you as a "movie band" is referred to by Sinnik22 as "One of the most impactful backing bands in history . . . " They brought their talents and skills to Prince's vision and fought alongside him to cross over into the mainstream pop culture. They gave of their time and energy to his cause because they believed in him. Prince did not succeed despite The Revolution. He succeeded WITH them. But he was not going to share the spoils or the throne. Quoting Sinnik22--"the generals must be removed and the monarch must be revered."
In the end, it would seem that Prince viewed the musicians that he hired, as interns that got a stipend to subsist on. In his view, it was the experience of working with and for him, that was the real payment. But I am pretty certain that this was not spelled out in any kind of contractual agreement. (Bobby, Matt, Brown Mark, and Lisa were there before his stardom was obvious.) But every musician who worked with him seemed to have the same misunderstanding. Did Prince ALWAYS believe that working with and for him was a privilege?
The patterns can already be seen in the first 6 years. With his reputation as a worldwide rock star firmly in place, it will be easy to draft talented musicians who would give anything to work with Prince. (Who would not want to be near all of that creative energy??) And they, like The Revolution would give whatever was demanded of them.
Each band would reflect where Prince was musically and reputedly. Prince was not going to ask Maceo Parker to be in his band in 1985. But he could ask Eric Leeds. IF the NPG was a better band than The Revolution, that was more a reflection of where Prince was in his career. The Revolution was the Band that Prince was worthy of putting together in his early career. He took them with him to one of, if not what is considered to be, the highest peaks of his career.
Michael Bland, drummer for the band who first carried the name NPG was not a green drummer. He had been playing in clubs in Minneapolis when he was too young to be a customer. He has said a lot about his time with Prince. My favorite line is from his interview on The Prince Podcast where he says that working for Prince was like being a fireman referring to the fact that they were always on call. "Fire!!! Prince got a fire!!!" I laugh every time.
Get ready because here we go!!!! . . . . . again.
Look at the outfits of Sheila & Cat and tell me if that doesn't hint at what he had in mind...
Raphael saadiq was just talking about this on questlove podcast
He said Prince wanted him to be his artist and Raphael was like nope… I’m independent.
Yup
PRINCE: GOD OF MUSIC!
WOW And to think back when Jesse Johnson did Shocadelica Jesse released it first that I remember and then Prince released his version sing on it as if he was pissed. You can hear in in his voice LOL WTF is going on I thought. I hear it was over a woman Jesse Took from him. Now I do not know if this was true but damn it was like the devil stalking on Jesse
Wendy and Lisa weren't equal to him. They are delusional AF. Seriously. Everyone should always stay realistic
They ware were his best band
@@kamfisher1714he thought, learned to not do dual relationships with band members, never made that mistake again
@@zakiasimpson8928 Lol what? That makes no sense, he was doing them dirty.
@@kamfisher1714 let them tell it, if he was so dirty why did they want to stay, why did they want him to do their project? Nah just got too self induced and he parted ways, smartly so. He did them dirty by deciding to go in a different direction they what they wanted? And it’s his band ?!?
@@zakiasimpson8928 Why did Prince stay with Warner brothers for 13 years if he knew he was getting done dirty?
Yo, Thanks so much for this recent clip; great as always. But whassup with the JACKSON VIDS, MAN?!!? WE FEENDIN' RIGHT NOW. Please don't torture us with teasers. Let us know whassup!!
It’s being worked on bruv.
Dam feendin really??🤭😁cheesin right now! Thanks!