In the 90s I met Paul at a Bon Jovi concert in L.A., he was alone in the crowd and very generous to people who came up to him. I approached him, and with the loud music being played before the show, I leaned in to talk in his ear to tell him how I felt about him. He was generous, smiled and acknowledge me as much as was possible in the noisy L.A Forum. When years later I learned about ear and hearing issues, I realized then that he didn't hear a word I said, but instead of being a dick about it, he tried to still make the experience positive for me. I will never forget that kind of generosity. Class act.
Paul is amazing as a human being I agree I believe that he kept kiss alive And I love every album But creatures of the night will always be my favorite Danny Borderline delusion band ua-cam.com/play/PLCcl41EK_yI1kc14xN6OEfIUacHmCNpPk.html
Daniel, your story really says a lot. He wrote a book. I found a place on UA-cam that people narrate their own books. I listened to it, and before too long, the way he read it, you start to think you're acquainted with him. The way he emphasized it was far better than reading it yourself, at least the first time. Anyway, your story is what reminded me of what I said. You should try to find it, if I come across it when I'm going through my history, Ill come back and send it to you.
After watching Joe’s podcasts with Steven Tyler and David Lee Roth, it’s quite refreshing to hear a conversation with a rock star who’s capable of having a lucid and linear conversation
Daniel Sinclair ain’t it the truth? I may not agree with all of his takes, but Mac M, we are talking about Paul Stanley. If you watched either of the David Lee Roth, or especially the Steven Tyler interviews, you would know who we are talking about (which I hope you already know or your dumber than I gave you credit for).
I remember growing up I met KISS at their concert. I was probably 10 at the time and Paul pulled me in for a picture and said in my ear “you can do anything, kid, anything.” And those words stuck with me and will stick with me forever. Yeah, he probably says that to every kid that goes to meet them, but it meant so much to hear that from my idol growing up. Such an inspiration, and such a class act.
Aw that's great dude! And the thing is, even if he may have said that to every kid, judging by this video, i don't think that's just something he said for heck of it. I think he really truly meant it, and that's something he believed. and that's pretty damn awesome.
Wow, I met Paul Stanley when I was like 12 and he had the same positive message to me, that I can do anything I wanted. And today I am a very successful serial killer - thank you Paul Stanley for giving me the courage to pursue my dreams!
Here’s what I learned from this. Paul is pretty intelligent and has sculpted a legacy that he’s 100% in control of. He’s a smart businessman and co founded a multi million dollar business. He’s a lot more down to earth than I anticipated.
I met Paul at a restaurant and he was with his wife and 2 other friends. I politely asked for an autograph and he was super nice and signed my picture, even asked what instrument I played. Such a great guy!
MrBluesboy21 He looks rock n roll then at 62🤟 Living healthy. I’m not a KISS music fan, but have total respect for what they’ve done after this interview. Very pragmatic decisions and deserve what they have worked at as entertainers.Respect to Paul’s POV about the regular folks🤜❤️🇨🇦
@@laurentfargues8113 To be fair, Gene is a very talented songwriter and arranger. He's had great solid basslines and a very adept singer. He is no virtuoso unlike Paul who is a freaking great vocalist/frontman, but Gene is a solid worker, plus his business input did help tremendously to put Kiss on the map. I can see that Paul is the more artistic part of Kiss, while Gene is the more business-minded. They both compliment very well. Btw, Eric Carr was a tremendous drummer (Peter Criss was average tbh no disrespect) and Eric Singer is great too, plus most lead guitarists from the 80s era Kiss that replaced Ace were actually musically superior to him (Ace was no slouch, so that's something). The Creatures of the Night album is probably the musical pinnacle of the band, in terms of everything.
I'd wager Dave would make Paul look like a very basic bitch. I get very tired of listening to people talk all about themselves and how he speaks so highly of womanizing as some sort of productive outlet in lieu of drugs. Gene and Paul will always be exceptional, even in the 'greatest assholes' catergory. Its always self promotion
Paul Stanley isn't my rock God, but his interviews are always interesting. He's done the journey, good and bad, his reflections are fascinating. Obviously a very wise man.
@48:55 "I'm not the person who lives with a toothache, I'm the person who gets a root canal". As somebody who doesn't like to face his problems, that hit home for me.
@@ironblud success didn't fade away for KISS. It might've dulled down a little bit but that tiny bit didnt make any difference to their huge levels of fame, fortune and fan support
Yeah, I was a bit surprised that Joe could not really get on board with what Paul was trying to spell out. Paul knows the format has changed, but points out that does not change the definition of stealing.
They didn't always suck ...the only things that suck is A) Having 2 guys wearing Ace & Peters make-up & impersonating them on stage & offstage B) Calling this 1/2 tribute band "KISS" with only 2 original members (they should re-name it "KISS-2.0" (read A)again) C) Telling the fans(casuals/newbees) at every 'KISS' Concert ...'Paul' quote: ""How ya doin pee--ple" !!! ..you know ..you are the 'KI-I-I-I-ISS A-A-ARRRMY and you know ...you know we started this band 40 years ago and this band you are about to see pee-ple is in The' Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame' peeeple we wouldn't be hearh without you and you desu've to giv yur selbs a wound ov appla-u-u-u-se ...now Im gonna terwn da micra-phone ova ta Tomme-e-e-y Thayah singin 'Shock Me' ...lets go !!!!!! Oh and if you want to see what yur in for if you decide to give your money to Gene & Paul for a sub-par performance with a short set (75mins) with the samn songs played year after year to the point where its like watching a movie you've seen 10X's and when you see it again the following year its so predictable you cant even enjoy yourself cuz just like that movie you know the dialogue ...Ive seen them countless times since The Dynasty Tour 79' and last year in Victoria,B.C. 13' and let me tell you people I was there biggest fan like thousands of other die hards from the 70's who followed them through all there ups & downs etc and when I went last year I felt let down and it was painful to watch let alone listen to Paul try to sing ..Paul sounded like he was gargling razar blades but my 2 girlfriends (who had never seen them before) were so distracted by the spider stage lighting rig, fire & explosions, smoke & video screens,etc that there senses were over loaded and they didn't realize Pauls voice sounded as bad as it was & still is ...I felt like my childhood heroes at this point due to Pauls vocal issues should call it a day ...it seems like they are just milking it now ...trying to market themselves to the casuals & get all the kiddies brought by there parents & grand-parents to become fans as they're young & impressionable like I was when I was 10yrs old ...the only difference then was they were still on fire & could still move on stage and most importantly they could still sing !! I just watched a few clips.songs 'KISS' played in Mexico ... 1st I tried to watch 'Lick It Up' ...I forced myself and couldn't get past the 1min35sec mark ..couldn't continue ...sure I like pain like the next guy/girl but that shouldn't be what you feel or experience when you listen & watch someone(Paul) sing ..if you can call it that ..seriously !! Its clear as can be that someone has stayed at the party too long !! I used to be a proud fan now I feel ripped off while listening to Gene & Paul bashing Ace & Peter every chance they get and after reading Pauls book 'Face The Music' ..I needed a councelling "LoL' seriously Paul ?? I used to think of you as my super heroes ...remember when you guys just played rock & roll and looked kool > I don't need my Rock Heroes who once scared my parents & pushing & selling HelloKitty bags & then seeing you on a morning tv talk show with 4 women talking about cooking & painting and how hard it was when you were a kid being called 'stanley one eared monster' ...or listening to Gene telling depressed people that they should just kill themselves ' WTF !! ?? You guys sold out and now it appears you just want every last dollar from your fans when your not giving a 100% anymore ,,far from it+ you say you the fans , we are your boss' yadda' yadda' bs !! I remember when you guys were grateful that you had the most devoted & loyal fans and now to show your appreciation you charge 'fans' $1000's for your broken concert played guitars (you used to give out FREE) and now after we 'The Fans' made you wealthy as hell (Thanks to Ace & Peter='Reunion') ...we 'the fans' have to pay $1000's to meet you for a 'meet n greet' before the concerts ? $$$ Im done ......>gratitude or greed=KISS
"I just doing for the art and money is not important... Well you say that cause your bills are paid". I love it, Paul Stanley. That's a beautiful New York attitude.
SM B Yeah I feel bad for these drugged out kids like Lil Xan... at least in the 60s-70s everybody was mostly just smoking weed now it’s xanax and opiates and lean
Ehh kinda. Paul has plenty of that "i got it from a guy in a white jacket so they arent drugs, its medicine" read Peter Criss' book. Paul had a bag he would carry around that was basically a pharmacy. So much so that Ace Frehley would drool over it.
When I was in high school back in the 70's these guys were like mythical super hero demons our folks warned us to avoid, so of course we bought every album, made tape copies for our cars, went to shows, dressed like them on halloween, soaked up everything we could about them. It felt so good to be "bad"......
I remember those days ...ha' ha' I used to act like Gene Simmons every weekend and make fake blood and scare my sisters "LoL" also I dressed up as Ace one Halloween & Gene the following year ...my Ace costume was made from a lot of cut out cardboard shapes and aluminum foil was wrapped around my ankles to look like the boots that came up just below my knees it was good !! ...,my Mom helped a lot in the 'making it' dept. ..we had my magazines for a guide and I had my Dynasty album on the kitchen table so my Mom could ace my Ace make-up . I remember me & my best friend in grade 7 showed up at our school Sock-Hop(Halloween-Dance) to find ourselves as the only guys or girls to be dressed as members from "KISS" and we were both done-up as Ace Frehley (I wanted to be Gene but we just couldn't make his costume good enough as it required materials & stuff we couldn't throw together) I brought my 'KISS' records to the dance but when they were played no one really knew how to dance to the songs except 'I Was Made for Loving You' ...we diso danced to it "LoL" Fun times & great memories too !!
Kiss are nothing but money whores gene Simmons being the worst but hearing this guy bitch about ppl getting a couple free song makes me sick I hope everyone steals everyone of your Songs lol
When he says: “ I play guitar in a rockband, that’s what I do!’ He still, after all these years, seems happy as a kid as if he can’t believe it’s true saying that statement. Gene always seems to still play because it keeps the brand alive (which is fine), Paul here really seems to love playing rock and roll as if he’s 16 years old. It’s great.
stylage Exactly. Listening to others, the good and the bad (which is subjective), places what’s right in front of you what there is to learn. Only a fool would not take advantage of every day’s lessons. “A word to the wise is sufficient”
We did and, people were calling it piracy back then as well. Yes now a lot more people are doing a lot more of it in greater quality but for the individual it is still the one song the one album. And you know what, teenagers DO NOT GIVE A FUCK and they shouldn't because they are supposed to be rebels. It used to be artists got fucked by record companies and now they get fuck by Bittorrent. Between the two I prefere the Fan above the CEO. Hopefully they still get merch and live performance money. This is just how it is right now. Try to put the genie back into the bottle is insane.
Sharing of music is as old as music itself. I used to play in a cover band. Made my own jam cassettes. What I will never understand is this stealing of a song concept. Stealing is when you pick up something that belongs to someone else, and take it from them. That being said. It is Impossible to steal musical vibrations (SOUND). BUT! you can share it. NOW. What the musicians are bitching about is the $$$$ they feel they are being screwed out of. These daze musician's make most of there $$$$ from doing LIVE CONCERTS. Check out the prices these Daze. My 1st concert was KISS in 1976, right after KISS ALIVE was released. I paid around $20.00 For my good seat, with Bob Segar as the opening act. Now, these daze. Each original member of GNR Slash, Axl, and Duff makes 1 million each per show. BUT! there music doesn't SUCK!
most band didnt care about that because they typically made, at best, pennies on the dollar. but what file sharing did was hurt the record companies. so buy hurting the record companies it hurt artist and the music industry because record companies then tried to grid everything, no longer take on a band that is seen as a risk, no longer have talent scouts, and have basically made themselves the gate keepers of music (popular music at least) 1 person sharing a tape even 100 times does nothing but a million downloads from a single source is a different animal. however the music industry kinda did it to themselves because they could have stopped it early on and offered high quality downloads cheap, bought napster from the get go
Ace Frehley's playing sounds a bit sloppy, but in the context of the music, it WAS rock and roll and you can really hear what's missing with the more technically proficient players they had after him.
Some of Ace's lead parts are imprinted in my memory forever. "Almost human" (did he just fall over ?) "Shock me", "Hard Times", "she" , "Stange ways", "Love Gun"etc..etc... Timeless classics of cool, street cred and attitudes . You Knew it was ace with the first note .
@@axelpteeg Ace gets a lot of credit for having a signature style, but often gets reamed for not being a player of technique. I personally get bored listening to lots of sterile, perfectly executed scales. If I wanted that, I would listen to the harpsichord. Ace is the GOAT (to me) -- I don't care what the haters say. You are right about distinct his solos are!
Joe's doing really good job surprising me with the guests lately lol I like it! One of the days Dave Chapelle is just gonna pop up on here on a random tuesday like "What's up nigga" lmao
@@Marvhagler Ace and Peter definitely say he is. I cannot say, I DO NOT KNOW THE MAN. I know I saw his eyes well up with tears when he visited a Veterans Hospital. Saw something that, not sure, he is worth $200-$230 million. I would think most entertainers are egomaniacs and such.
I don't ever say anything on UA-cam, but I'm here to defend one of my favorite bands - TELEVISION...........Paul Stanley said on this podcast that "They Sucked " - Hey Paul, YOU SUCK and I will make sure to promote pirating ("stealing") your music..
His opinion on pirating is .... well I don't gotta agree with it. But throughout this podcast you can tell this guy is genuinely a good person. Fucking whole lot less pretentious and just over all better than Gene Simmons you can say.
We want to pretend art is our personal property. Yet, everything is borrowed from our imagination. Safe to say energy in meant to be shared. That being said, I only use hippie logic man, you might not wanna ask me lol.
Kynn SoClose thats an interesting perspective. But even by that logic I think you should still appreciate the time and effort taken to pluck elements from the ether and forming it into something that can be presented and enjoyed by other people. And although business can obviously be counter productive to the creative process, through most of history without the infrastructure it provides it would be nearly impossible discover music. It takes money to make records, cassettes, CDS, radio stations etc. John Lennon would was born with his talent and nothing can ever take that away from him. But without the music industry to broadcast his talent it could only have been enjoyed by his friends and family rather than millions of people all around the world long after his death.
*copyright infringement. Theft is a crime that deprives someone of their physical property. Copyright infringement is a civil matter regarding unauthorized duplication of an idea or artistic creation.
He's 100 percent correct/Why should you spend a million plus dollars on making on a album only to not recoup your money...….People steal/give it away for free on the internet...…..fans ruined the music business,Theres no 2 ways about it,,..Why movies ,you pay for online,but music ,you don't,nothing should be free ….It makes no sense,The days of big record sales are over(thanks once again,"so called" fans)they had to rely on touring and merch to make money,Now,with Corona Virus,they can't even tour
No doubt he truly is a rock star...he has experience so much in his life..so hearing him speak is great. I'm not a kiss fan...but with any band/artist that has such a long legacy..through time..media..breakthrough(pre internet duh)...they can tell a great real story. Things that has done must make for great stories...there was no cellphones w cameras..so things must be CRAZY...REAL rock star Stories..now rock stars probably can do sh*(&T because they might be on TMZ tomorrow with pics...so back then its legit..Great podcast and talk
Yea me to first time I heard these guys was in 75 and there was nothing like them I was in 6th grade. First Live Kiss show was in 1980. Still to this day I've never seen a better live show. Later on I went on to work in the music industry
He always does, in every interview. It's part of his forte. He also likes bad mouthing the KISS all time No.#1 hit song BETH, Sung by Peter of course. Peter had a way better R&R voice than Paul, And Ace on guitar goes without even mentioning. Ace is KISS on Guitar.
Ezrin also played all of the music to that track. All Peter Criss did was sing it. That being said. The N0.#1 top selling KISS song BETH was more like Peter Criss, and Bob Ezrin's GREATEST HIT, and no KISS.
The "carving up" was mostly driven by Rogan's questions. That said, I don't believe Paul takes any pleasure in tearing down Peter and Ace. KISS concert fans have high expectations, both in the performance and the presentation. I think Paul truly wanted to make it work, but Peter and Ace just didn't have the same level of long-term dedication.
After reading through the comments maybe I'm the only one but I found this to be really inspiring and insightful. He dropped so many gems about life and happiness. So glad I watched this. "The person who succeeds is the one who continued after they failed".
Casual Play : It was good and I don't understand the negativity. Detroit rock city always got me going on Saturday night along with Black Sabbath, foreigner, zeppelin..... a lot of good memories go with that band and Stanley seems pretty cool.
Paul is a thinker. I like that! I just wish he would accept more responsibility for what happened to Peter and Ace. He tends to blame them and not look at himself.
How can someone be held hostage to two other people's addictions? Ace in his book, said he would have been dead had he remained in the band. It is sad that it did not change during The Reunion.
I see what you're saying, but... I agree 100%, but... but... but... but... Joe Rogan might as well said, "Paul, I download music all the time, pleeeeeeease say it's ok." "what if I made a copy of it?" Like wtf. One payment for one album. Not one payment for 10 albums.
Exactly! I'm sorry but this is why music sucks so badly now! The artists aren't really invested. Most of their stuff is written for them. And, the majority of the money goes to the record company.And,they are gone as fast as they came. Also it's really bad for the artists who really try to make it and have the talent. Because the pay off in the end is so much less. I agree with Paul 150%!!!
You have blown me away, Paul!!! I went to see Kiss in 1980 in Sydney Australia. I was a huge Kiss fan. I own 18 albums and I just loved Paul! Watching this was amazing seeing and hearing the real Stanley Eissen :) What a wonderful human being he is! Great podcast. Thank you 🖤🎵🎶🎵
Great interview. I just don't like Paul's comment about the band Televsion. Sure there were some underground New York bands in the 70's who were mediocre or even sucked, but Television certainly weren't one of them. And I don't think Television are "irrelevant" at all like he said. Their Marquee Moon album is still very popular. I even heard it playing at a Tokyo club a month ago, and I was actually the only foreigner there.
Agreed. That's some bullshit there. They helped build the entire CB's scene. In fact those dudes went on to do some amazing work on their own. They weren't going for sell out stadium rock they were more art rock. For him that's success, selling merch, selling out stadiums. They were entertaining but Kiss reminds me of a bar band in the 70's now. Great moments but just moments.
Stank Nugget same with KISS and they are lol, young kids these days are listening to Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd if they’re going for classic rock, thankfully.
Agreed. I'm not a fan of the band Television either, but I've seen and read plenty of things that have said their contemporaries praised them as important part of that scene at that time. Just b/c a band doesn't get rich and famous and have longevity doesn't mean they weren't/aren't important or made their mark.
The up and coming artist make more money due to file sharing. They don't play their music on mainstream. If it wasn't for the internet no one would come to their shows.
There is a difference between people finding music on the internet and file sharing. Obviously file sharing takes place on the internet. Because of the internet the entire world is exposed to someone's music. He isn't opposed to that. Paul Stanley's concern is that artists are not getting compensated for their work. Rightfully so. Artists don't make more money due to file sharing. Artists MAY gain more exposure due to someone sharing their music which in turn can make the artist profitable in other areas. However, file sharing is peer to peer and there is no compensation or royalties paid to the artist when the transfer is made. There are two sides to every story but if an artist is selling their music and there are copyrights in place, the artist should be compensated. That's how they get paid, that's how they're able to afford to put on a show in the first place. A lot of bands don't even get paid for playing shows anyways.You should understand - you have a production company. How would you get paid from an artist who isn't generating revenue?
But actually, artist are getting paid for their work. I am a working musician. Without people getting the music for free, they wouldn't come to the shows, they wouldn't keep up with the band, they'd never even hear of us as a matter of fact. The radio is not like it was in Paul's day. So, actually, file sharing, even illegally, makes most new bands money. This does not count the huge mainstream bands of course. We are talking legitimate art.
You're still saying the same thing. You're just saying that your using your music as, essentially, advertising sot hey come to your show. Without them illegally sharing your music, then they wouldn't come in the first place. I don't know what universe you're living in but the last time I checked, if someone likes your band then they will come to your show. Kudos to you if you're able to float above the water with people not buying your music and you're able to make money doing live shows. However, that should be a decision made by the artists and not the fans. Regardless, bands should be compensated for their efforts if another person enjoys it and it's being sold. Without a doubt, file sharing has it's place but people shouldn't be stealing or sharing the music without the consent of the artist. I'd also like some sort of statistic that proves that "illegal file sharing makes most new bands money". It's ludicrous.
Wow! Lotta KISS hate here. Why bother watching the video or comment on it, if you think Kiss was / is a joke? I love how people express their opinions as if they're FACT. Whether or not a band's music "SUCKS" is subjective. That means, just because YOU see no value in it...doesn't mean everyone feels that way! No doubt, the makeup, costumes, big stage shows were a HUGE factor in their success. Call it a "gimmick" or whatever you want...but it DID make the band unique. I, for one, love Kiss for the whole package....but when I put on a Kiss record, I don't SEE the band....I just enjoy hearing the MUSIC. So, yes...there are many fans that do enjoy the band for the music FIRST. I happen to think that the early Beatles music was complete bubblegum CRAP music... but a lot of people would disagree with me. Kiss, because of their image and marketing, are just an easy target to attack. For some reason, it's always been hip for all the r-n-r snobs to disrespect the band. If you truly don't like Kiss, fine....but don't just jump on the hate bandwagon cause you think it makes you more "musically intellectual".
EXACTLY! I dispise Crap Rap, but I don't go UTUBE and bash the artists, if that's what you wanna call them 😜 KISS The HARDEST working ROCK BAND... Pointe Finale 😁🤘
It's not about intellectual or music it's about actually being there at that time and knowing what you're talkin about, I wouldn't dare go back before my time and try to profess what happened in music, it's not going to be true, stay in your lane and comment on the Pet Shop Boys
Ace Frehley had the best selling solo album let's get that straight Paul and Peter Criss song Black Diamond which was one of the better songs. It's all about Paul Stanley
It was the best-selling album in the first place because of a cover song. Ace's self-written songs never were big hits. Paul wrote "Black Diamond". And when Peter was "not able" to do a show, Paul was singing his song live himself. Awesome. He simply has more substance and reliability.
i think the reason people are so quick to attain their music through "file sharing" is because we were literally ripped off for generations by the music business. we were paying $20 for CD's back in the 80's because we had to. the astronomical profits made by record labels back in those days should be carrying them through what is now the leaner years lol
*K131399* I agree. Let's not forget the few 'lifetime guarantee' offers we bought through shitholes that went belly up before obliging. (The Wall was one of them) I agree with RigedSky too. The main issue is they charge WAY too much for a fucking CD.
If you were overpaying for music CDs, then YOU were contributing to you getting "ripped off". A service or product (commodity) is only worth what people are willing to pay for it (Economics 101... supply & demand). You were willing to pay $20 for a CD... so, you werent getting ripped off.
This is a great interview! I'm becoming a fan of Paul Stanley the guy. And of course the always enlightening Joe Rogan but seriously this is like really inspiring. Paul really put a lot of my thoughts into words giving answers I didn't know the questions too.
Despite the analogies, fact is that Ace is the most successful artist outside of KISS. Even counting while in KISS, his solo album was the best selling of the four. I understand Paul feels that the band is greater then the individual members. To a KISS fan like me, Kiss is not KISS without Ace and Peter. Just a cover band.
I met Paul at an autograph signing back in the late 70s at Peaches Records in Seattle....he came across as very genuine and gentle. Thanks for the music Paul. You inspired my art and guitar playing.....and still do.
I don't care what you naysayers think. This man's been my rock & roll hero since 1976. I even got my 1st tattoo of a small rose on my upper bicep in honor of Mr. Stanley..The man is a freaking legend!
I don’t understand why people were so hostile to people like Lars Ulrich and Paul Stanley. I just hope they know that smaller musicians such as myself appreciate Paul and Lars standing up for us smaller guys as well who today’s day and age in the music industry is vastly different and unprofitable for our art.
Paul Stanley and more specifically Gene Simmons treat their music as a product and not as an art , gene simmons actually said this , he basically said in an interview that when one of their songs Is playing anywhere on any platform they want a cut , if u have non original kiss clothes or banners posters etc , they will sue the people making them and make you buy from a source which they get a cut from . their greediness has been their downfall. To them it's not ok to buy an album and listen to it with 5 of your friends ,they want thoese 5 friends to have also bought the album so they have ,,right" to their music. Which is just sickening , music is an art and it comes from the heart (Not modern music heh ) Most famous artists started very poor and money wasn't on their minds , they just wanted to make music.. and they got to be as successful as they are because they never cared how the music was distribuited..for them , it just mattered that as many people get to hear their art as much as possible. The whole interview he makes half baked statements about how negatively affected musicians are from pirating..bullshit , and coming from him is disgusting , I wanna hear a lesser known artist complain..they almost never do And Lars Ulrich the same , the other members were not on board with him with the whole Napster debacle , but when they sue and criticize fans for sharing their music (Metallica members being worth hundreds of millions of dollars, money that exists because of the fans that put them on a pedestal and helped the band grow) Then people lose respect and they never want to hear your garbage again , even more so , makes them never buy anything and just pirate everything :)..a fate well deserved by all greedy musicians. They don't stand up for young budding musicians , you might have been swayed to think that because..above all else , lars and Stanley+Gene from Kiss , are businessman who want to make as much as possible and leave as little as possible for others..period Now you understand why people hate on them:)...again I repeat myself but it must be heard...you start going into music with the thought of making money , you will NEVER make money , just make music and if its from the heart and people see that and ejoy it , money will come knocking on your doorstep :P And lastly , the only ones complaining about file sharing and pirating music , are the millionaire musicians , the less known ones are just happy more people listen to their music..hundred milionaires are complaining about not making millions :) awesome.. And lastly lastly , a huge % of people who pirate music don't live in the U.S. or live in garbage low salary countries , where you can barely afford to live a half decent life.. where an album is a few days to a week of works pay , why would someone give that much for music? and if they don't have the possibility to pay for it , are you really gonna deny people the joy of music cause a millionaire musician can't get richer?
Music has only been a *truly* profitable industry since the early 1900s. Music has always been a communal art often times reaping little reward. One would argue that Lars and Paul commuted the first disservice by even trying to charge people for music in the first place.
Unbelievable how many negative comments are posted here it confirms my belief sadly that most people nowadays just want to tear other people apart and criticize everything. Here is a man who has lived the American dream has done nothing but bring happiness and joy to millions of people not just in the USA but around the world for generations now. He has done more with his life than most would do if they lived a 1000 lifetimes and still nothing but griping and nitpicking and disparaging remarks. Not that I or certainly not Paul Stanley will lose any sleep over it but WTF it's animosity that should be directed at someone who's more deserving of it.
What's unbelievable is how a toy and doll merchandise created kiss fan can believe so much horseshit he hears from Gene and Paul, if you think that dude is happy you're not paying attention! he knows the truth, while I'll never know what it feels like to rock a kiss lunch box to school, you'll never know what an actual real kiss alive show was like , because there's no way to recreate it and I'm never going to go back to school.
@@mrromantimothy I'm not sure what you are saying so wanted to ask. We may be roughly same age bracket. I bought my 1st Kiss album in '74 and saw my 1st concert in '77. To me, the concert was a disappointment. These were my hero's afterall. But they were upstaged by the opening act, Cheap Trick, who kicked ass. If you're a band like Kiss, you need all 4 players able to play. I had the same experience with my 1st Alice Cooper concert in '76. Sometimes it's not good to meet your hero's .
@@fixitmyself Well said, and I had a similar experience in the late 70's approaching my 13th b,day. I too, went on to bands like Van Halen,Ozzy & Motley Crue in the 80's.
ACE left on both occasions of his own accord. " Big SILVER Kiss Alive 2 Album Cover " Wow Big Fan the Interviewer is, that was Double Platinum you Fucktard. Agree with Paul that Peter didnt write Beth , Stan Penridge did, but what Paul doesnt tell you that on that Album Destroyer, acclaimed as their best, only 2 of the 10 Songs were written soley by KISS. God of Thunder and Sweet Pain, all others were written by paid professional writers in the same way Beth was. So keep patting yourself on the back Paul
@Einstein's Monster I cannot recommend 'Marquee Moon' enough. Ask people who were in the New York scene, Television were some of the best! Who gives a shit that it's obscure... you can't JUST listen to classic rock radio. To each their own, though...
@@gagefraw3182 I find that often times people will say something like "music today sucks, everybody sucks" (translation: all the bands *I've heard of* today suck, so fame doesn't tell you anything about quality). Then you tell them "this band or the other is actually great!" Immediate response? "I've never heard of them!"
Paul Stanley is so right on success and the music industry. File Sharing kills new artists. I, by the way, LOVE obscure artists. I disagree with Paul on this. U2 didn't sell a thing until the 3rd album. I was there for the first 2 albums and am there today.
I think it would be interesting to compare Joe's pet peeve about joke stealing with his devil's advocate stance with Paul about file sharing. I realize there is a difference but ultimately both center on artistic property. This is a totally fantastic interview.
+Edward Bernard It's not an apt comparison at all. That'd be like joke theft vs. playing other peoples songs for profit without crediting them, which nobody is claiming is OK.
Captain Grub no it’s not. Joke theft is literally stealing someone’s intellectual property for profit. Stealing copies of someone’s recorded music is simply petty theft-it doesn’t take away the artist’s identity and rebrand it as your own
You gotta get him back on and ask him why he thinks it’s ok to lip synch all his songs on the 2019 farewell tour despite slagging off lesser bands for years for doing the same thing. What a hypocrite.
Joe, I love how you open up the show with total respect for the man Paul Stanley. You know this is not just another person but someone that took us to a place, while we were young that we can never go back to.
I saw them in 1994 and suffered from hearing loss after the concert. 😜Paul has one of the best vocal ranges and powerful voices in rock. He’s always been my favorite. And he proves in every interview to have one of the most intelligent perspectives in rock and roll. I may not agree with everything he says, but I admire his ability to put his thoughts into cogent, down-to-earth conversation.
12:40 DID HE JUST SAY TELEVISION WAS IRRELEVANT? Boy is he wrong. People revere Marquee Moon and they were incredible players.They went nowhere because they were to unusual for mainstream audiences in the 70s...that and they were falling apart because of drug addiction
Agree! A friend showed me them a few years ago and I was really surprised that they where from the 70s. I legitimately thought I was listening to a current band.
i am a titanic Kiss fan, but i stopped listening right there. Television neither sucked nor were irrelevant. They are one of the most talented, relevant bands that has ever existed.
Dont think I would have lasted either...Paul acts like Hatfield! Paul and Dave Mustaine would have fought it out, and I would have been like Dave and would have said...Damn Paul! Fucking have fun, crowd loves us, they love us 100%...our Albums are 100% Paul...u take shit so seriously...100% to God damn seriously!!!
Seriously, you guys can't make a simple google search? I like some of their songs but I was never a fan of Radiohead, their "pay what you want" album "In Rainbows" made a killing for the band. It was only a "disaster" for the "music industry" fuckers that didn't make a cent out of it. So even if they only sold 1 million albums for $1 each, that's still nearly 1 million dollars directly in their pockets without several middle man leeching most of the profits. And Joe PowerfulJRE should know and mention the example of Luis C.K. that made a shit load of money by selling reasonably priced tickets for tours of his stand-up show via his website, circumventing the big ticket companies. And selling his show "Live at the Beacon Theater" DRM free for only $5 directly to the consumer. "C.K. said that 220,000 people had bought the show, providing a gross of $1.1 million. With the proceeds, C.K. said that he reimbursed his company $250,000 for production costs, gave $250,000 in bonuses to those who work for him, donated $280,000 to a mix of charities, and joked he would use the remaining $220,000 to buy himself a new penis ("I'm keeping the old one...I'm gonna have an old one and a new one, right there. It's gonna be nice.")."
41:13 WHAT!? You have money, Bud... When was the last time you cried because you couldn't eat... Unhappiness comes from what is making you miserable, if you couldn't eat wouldn't you feel unhappy.. See PAUL is talking shit because he thinks it's making him happy,,,, BUT you can see his ass is miserable. It's why he's focused on the negative. Maybe he will learn on playback of himself. People need that kind of reflection.
I love Pauls humble laments terms way of communicating and his ego seems well grounded for a trillion album sales multimillionaire perhaps billionaire guy. 🤟😎
It's difficult to NOT like Paul! That said, sometimes his passive aggressive pettiness toward Ace & Peter is off putting. His points may be valid, but there's a lot of good that they contributed to the band..... ESPECIALLY Ace! Talk about "down to earth".
Ace was the gifted musical talent of the original band. Gene & Paul are businessmen. They tend to grade out as slightly below average as musicians. Ace was the dude that rocked it. Kulick & all the boys that replaced Ace are great technical players that are paid to do what the slightly below average leaders, such as this clown instruct them to do. Control freaks. Ace and Peter made the band!
@@JRKIXASS while Ace was and is a great guitarist Peter on the other hand was a mediocre drummer .I cant say they made the band because Kiss is still around and making music without them.Before you blow a fuse I love Ace And Peter just as much as Gene and Paul so im not in one camp or the other .What im saying is Kiss wouldnt have succeeded without all of those guys there in the beginning.Also I personally think Bruce Kulick is probably the best guitarist they ever had his work on Asylum and Revenge was all kick ass.I think we can all agree VV is a total douche bag.
This is the best Paul Stanley interview I've ever listened to. It really feels like you get to learn more about the real Paul Stanley. It wasn't one of those 5 minute interviews talking about how great the next tour is. Great interview
Joe Rogan is a great interviewer when he is not high. I mean his forte is not having an agenda, thus his interviewees won't act defensively and will open themselves to him.
59:52 I needed a lifeline and that's what therapy was for me... if you workout when you first start you don't see results immediately. But you have the hope, and the hope is what drives you. its the desire in knowing that "If i do this, the end product will be satisfying". Therapy is no different, its not an immediate solution but it gives you the knowledge that you're on a path, you're doing something about this, you have a goal.
Have you ever lived with a heavy alcoholic🥃? It's realistic and well-spoken how Paul describes them. Ace's wife and daughter probably hate him even more.
In the 90s I met Paul at a Bon Jovi concert in L.A., he was alone in the crowd and very generous to people who came up to him. I approached him, and with the loud music being played before the show, I leaned in to talk in his ear to tell him how I felt about him. He was generous, smiled and acknowledge me as much as was possible in the noisy L.A Forum. When years later I learned about ear and hearing issues, I realized then that he didn't hear a word I said, but instead of being a dick about it, he tried to still make the experience positive for me. I will never forget that kind of generosity. Class act.
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Paul is amazing as a human being
I agree
I believe that he kept kiss alive
And I love every album
But creatures of the night will always be my favorite
Danny
Borderline delusion band
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Daniel, your story really says a lot. He wrote a book. I found a place on UA-cam that people narrate their own books. I listened to it, and before too long, the way he read it, you start to think you're acquainted with him. The way he emphasized it was far better than reading it yourself, at least the first time. Anyway, your story is what reminded me of what I said. You should try to find it, if I come across it when I'm going through my history, Ill come back and send it to you.
Ha ha ha. You admit to being at a Bon Jovi concert.
@@charleebrown7188 yep, a multitude.
After watching Joe’s podcasts with Steven Tyler and David Lee Roth, it’s quite refreshing to hear a conversation with a rock star who’s capable of having a lucid and linear conversation
oh? which rock star?
Daniel Sinclair ain’t it the truth? I may not agree with all of his takes, but Mac M, we are talking about Paul Stanley. If you watched either of the David Lee Roth, or especially the Steven Tyler interviews, you would know who we are talking about (which I hope you already know or your dumber than I gave you credit for).
Wish Joe, would get Bruce Dickinson, Rob Halford !
Daniel Sinclair So so correct. Nice to hear it stay on point for once.
It's also clear that Joe knows nothing about music
I remember growing up I met KISS at their concert. I was probably 10 at the time and Paul pulled me in for a picture and said in my ear “you can do anything, kid, anything.” And those words stuck with me and will stick with me forever. Yeah, he probably says that to every kid that goes to meet them, but it meant so much to hear that from my idol growing up. Such an inspiration, and such a class act.
Quit lying
@@joefoster2155 I know my experiences, you on the other hand do not. I got all the proof in my house.
@David Gibson like I said he probably says that to everyone or every kid. So negative for no reason but hey, do you buddy.
Aw that's great dude! And the thing is, even if he may have said that to every kid, judging by this video, i don't think that's just something he said for heck of it. I think he really truly meant it, and that's something he believed. and that's pretty damn awesome.
Wow, I met Paul Stanley when I was like 12 and he had the same positive message to me, that I can do anything I wanted. And today I am a very successful serial killer - thank you Paul Stanley for giving me the courage to pursue my dreams!
Here’s what I learned from this.
Paul is pretty intelligent and has sculpted a legacy that he’s 100% in control of. He’s a smart businessman and co founded a multi million dollar business.
He’s a lot more down to earth than I anticipated.
Don't forget old Geno's bloodthirst for business
It wasn't a music business it was a doll and toy business
I met Paul at a restaurant and he was with his wife and 2 other friends. I politely asked for an autograph and he was super nice and signed my picture, even asked what instrument I played. Such a great guy!
@@mrromantimothy your a hater
@@tomlewis5542 for $$$$....But he's a Jew so...
He looks like the lost child between Sly Stallone and Prince.
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He looks rock n roll then at 62🤟 Living healthy. I’m not a KISS music fan, but have total respect for what they’ve done after this interview. Very pragmatic decisions and deserve what they have worked at as entertainers.Respect to Paul’s POV about the regular folks🤜❤️🇨🇦
He has sly eyes big time. Also Paul McCartney
He must have had a lot of work done.
@@academicenglishskillsuk You mean the dead Davy Crockett hairpiece!
@@JRKIXASS :) !!!!
Everybody always hypes up Gene, this dude is the real Talent behind the band
Lolol "talent" CLASSIC
Yep, he sure is. Honorable mention to Ace as well, his signature sound is all over those early albums.
He's the only talented musician in the band.
@@laurentfargues8113 To be fair, Gene is a very talented songwriter and arranger. He's had great solid basslines and a very adept singer. He is no virtuoso unlike Paul who is a freaking great vocalist/frontman, but Gene is a solid worker, plus his business input did help tremendously to put Kiss on the map.
I can see that Paul is the more artistic part of Kiss, while Gene is the more business-minded. They both compliment very well.
Btw, Eric Carr was a tremendous drummer (Peter Criss was average tbh no disrespect) and Eric Singer is great too, plus most lead guitarists from the 80s era Kiss that replaced Ace were actually musically superior to him (Ace was no slouch, so that's something).
The Creatures of the Night album is probably the musical pinnacle of the band, in terms of everything.
@@rodrigoodonsalcedocisneros4419 Thanks a lot for your answer! I'm going to listen to the Creatures of the Night album.
I'd really like to see Dave Mustaine (Megadeth/ex-Metallica) on the podcast. These talks can be pretty insightful.
I'd wager Dave would make Paul look like a very basic bitch. I get very tired of listening to people talk all about themselves and how he speaks so highly of womanizing as some sort of productive outlet in lieu of drugs. Gene and Paul will always be exceptional, even in the 'greatest assholes' catergory. Its always self promotion
Ozzy and Jack would get cool to see one there too
@2muchtv is bad Yeah a few years back, I remember that
I don't know if it's still on UA-cam but you should check out Infowars interview with Dave Mustaine and Alex Jones.
Sorry bro. I put in the reply before I read all of the others
Paul Stanley isn't my rock God, but his interviews are always interesting. He's done the journey, good and bad, his reflections are fascinating. Obviously a very wise man.
He’s one of my rock gods
This is the most intelligent down to Earth rockstar Iv'e ever seen. This guy is awesome
I agree. His book is one of or maybe the best rock star autobiography I have ever read
Imagine what he had to put up with while he was in Kiss....🙄😂
Give a listen to Billy Corgan’s interview with Joe, another fantastic intelligent interview
Gil, I believe you're right...
hahah you are delusional
I have a new found respect for Paul Stanley. What a great interview.
@48:55 "I'm not the person who lives with a toothache, I'm the person who gets a root canal". As somebody who doesn't like to face his problems, that hit home for me.
Jason Downs Paul was very personable in this interview. Must have been quite the internal battle as success came his way, and then faded away.
@@ironblud I am sure it was but he did have MASSIVE success, that must have been quite a ride!
It did not go away it evolved
@@ironblud success didn't fade away for KISS. It might've dulled down a little bit but that tiny bit didnt make any difference to their huge levels of fame, fortune and fan support
Joe "I-agree-with-yout-point-of-view...but" Rogan. Stealing is stealing! Get over it!
Yeah, I was a bit surprised that Joe could not really get on board with what Paul was trying to spell out. Paul knows the format has changed, but points out that does not change the definition of stealing.
Don’t pay for paper view ufc fights or for cable. Just watch all the fights on UA-cam it’s not stealing
How about once you know he's right, JUST MOVE ON !!!
KISS SUCKS
exactly these two little jew boys just found another avenue to make money their music is a slap in the face to any real artist
Then get the fuck off this video!
They didn't always suck ...the only things that suck is A) Having 2 guys wearing Ace & Peters make-up & impersonating them on stage & offstage B) Calling this 1/2 tribute band "KISS" with only 2 original members (they should re-name it "KISS-2.0" (read A)again) C) Telling the fans(casuals/newbees) at every 'KISS' Concert ...'Paul' quote: ""How ya doin pee--ple" !!! ..you know ..you are the 'KI-I-I-I-ISS A-A-ARRRMY and you know ...you know we started this band 40 years ago and this band you are about to see pee-ple is in The' Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame' peeeple we wouldn't be hearh without you and you desu've to giv yur selbs a wound ov appla-u-u-u-se ...now Im gonna terwn da micra-phone ova ta Tomme-e-e-y Thayah singin 'Shock Me' ...lets go !!!!!!
Oh and if you want to see what yur in for if you decide to give your money to Gene & Paul for a sub-par performance with a short set (75mins) with the samn songs played year after year to the point where its like watching a movie you've seen 10X's and when you see it again the following year its so predictable you cant even enjoy yourself cuz just like that movie you know the dialogue ...Ive seen them countless times since The Dynasty Tour 79' and last year in Victoria,B.C. 13' and let me tell you people I was there biggest fan like thousands of other die hards from the 70's who followed them through all there ups & downs etc and when I went last year I felt let down and it was painful to watch let alone listen to Paul try to sing ..Paul sounded like he was gargling razar blades but my 2 girlfriends (who had never seen them before) were so distracted by the spider stage lighting rig, fire & explosions, smoke & video screens,etc that there senses were over loaded and they didn't realize Pauls voice sounded as bad as it was & still is ...I felt like my childhood heroes at this point due to Pauls vocal issues should call it a day ...it seems like they are just milking it now ...trying to market themselves to the casuals & get all the kiddies brought by there parents & grand-parents to become fans as they're young & impressionable like I was when I was 10yrs old ...the only difference then was they were still on fire & could still move on stage and most importantly they could still sing !!
I just watched a few clips.songs 'KISS' played in Mexico ... 1st I tried to watch 'Lick It Up' ...I forced myself and couldn't get past the 1min35sec mark ..couldn't continue ...sure I like pain like the next guy/girl but that shouldn't be what you feel or experience when you listen & watch someone(Paul) sing ..if you can call it that ..seriously !!
Its clear as can be that someone has stayed at the party too long !!
I used to be a proud fan now I feel ripped off while listening to Gene & Paul bashing Ace & Peter every chance they get and after reading Pauls book 'Face The Music' ..I needed a councelling "LoL' seriously Paul ?? I used to think of you as my super heroes ...remember when you guys just played rock & roll and looked kool > I don't need my Rock Heroes who once scared my parents & pushing & selling HelloKitty bags & then seeing you on a morning tv talk show with 4 women talking about cooking & painting and how hard it was when you were a kid being called 'stanley one eared monster' ...or listening to Gene telling depressed people that they should just kill themselves ' WTF !! ??
You guys sold out and now it appears you just want every last dollar from your fans when your not giving a 100% anymore ,,far from it+ you say you the fans , we are your boss' yadda' yadda' bs !!
I remember when you guys were grateful that you had the most devoted & loyal fans and now to show your appreciation you charge 'fans' $1000's for your broken concert played guitars (you used to give out FREE) and now after we 'The Fans' made you wealthy as hell (Thanks to Ace & Peter='Reunion') ...we 'the fans' have to pay $1000's to meet you for a 'meet n greet' before the concerts ? $$$ Im done
......>gratitude or greed=KISS
"I just doing for the art and money is not important... Well you say that cause your bills are paid". I love it, Paul Stanley. That's a beautiful New York attitude.
I think that is a universal perspective.
Kids, this is what yr brain sounds like off drugs and alcohol.
SM B Yeah I feel bad for these drugged out kids like Lil Xan... at least in the 60s-70s everybody was mostly just smoking weed now it’s xanax and opiates and lean
fucking horrible, Stanley has no humor
Ehh kinda. Paul has plenty of that "i got it from a guy in a white jacket so they arent drugs, its medicine" read Peter Criss' book. Paul had a bag he would carry around that was basically a pharmacy. So much so that Ace Frehley would drool over it.
@@davidpfeifer9489 "lean" is an opiate. Codeine cough syrup is a opiate derivative.
Slim Moses Yeah I know... it’s codeine but kids don’t know it’s an opiate when they do it they don’t realize they are pretty much drinking heroin
When I was in high school back in the 70's these guys were like mythical super hero demons our folks warned us to avoid, so of course we bought every album, made tape copies for our cars, went to shows, dressed like them on halloween, soaked up everything we could about them.
It felt so good to be "bad"......
I remember those days ...ha' ha' I used to act like Gene Simmons every weekend and make fake blood and scare my sisters "LoL" also I dressed up as Ace one Halloween & Gene the following year ...my Ace costume was made from a lot of cut out cardboard shapes and aluminum foil was wrapped around my ankles to look like the boots that came up just below my knees it was good !! ...,my Mom helped a lot in the 'making it' dept. ..we had my magazines for a guide and I had my Dynasty album on the kitchen table so my Mom could ace my Ace make-up . I remember me & my best friend in grade 7 showed up at our school Sock-Hop(Halloween-Dance) to find ourselves as the only guys or girls to be dressed as members from "KISS" and we were both done-up as Ace Frehley (I wanted to be Gene but we just couldn't make his costume good enough as it required materials & stuff we couldn't throw together) I brought my 'KISS' records to the dance but when they were played no one really knew how to dance to the songs except 'I Was Made for Loving You' ...we diso danced to it "LoL" Fun times & great memories too !!
Kiss are nothing but money whores gene Simmons being the worst but hearing this guy bitch about ppl getting a couple free song makes me sick I hope everyone steals everyone of your Songs lol
an ace podcast would be really interesting
Awesome interview, Paul seems really cool and down to earth.
Rogan thinks it's rare for people to just throw trash on the ground in front of others. He clearly has not been to the Philippines.
Or Arizona, except he has. He thinks shitty people are uncommon, overall.
Or Philadelphia 😂
Or Camden.
obviously his prespective is of the USA.
Justin Lucas or Liberia
When he says: “ I play guitar in a rockband, that’s what I do!’ He still, after all these years, seems happy as a kid as if he can’t believe it’s true saying that statement. Gene always seems to still play because it keeps the brand alive (which is fine), Paul here really seems to love playing rock and roll as if he’s 16 years old. It’s great.
Ignore the cancer ridden comments. Listen to the podcast, get an insight into someone else's life, then carry on with your day.
stylage best comment on the internet. Thanks for posting 3 years ago!!
stylage Exactly. Listening to others, the good and the bad (which is subjective), places what’s right in front of you what there is to learn. Only a fool would not take advantage of every day’s lessons.
“A word to the wise is sufficient”
solid advice.
people giving the most advice never follow it
Thank you👏👏
We "file shared" plenty before the internet by sharing and recording cassettes and CDs with friends.
Oh yeah thats the same as 100.000.000 downloads.... haha... dumbo
We did and, people were calling it piracy back then as well. Yes now a lot more people are doing a lot more of it in greater quality but for the individual it is still the one song the one album. And you know what, teenagers DO NOT GIVE A FUCK and they shouldn't because they are supposed to be rebels. It used to be artists got fucked by record companies and now they get fuck by Bittorrent. Between the two I prefere the Fan above the CEO. Hopefully they still get merch and live performance money. This is just how it is right now. Try to put the genie back into the bottle is insane.
Sharing of music is as old as music itself. I used to play in a cover band. Made my own jam cassettes. What I will never understand is this stealing of a song concept. Stealing is when you pick up something that belongs to someone else, and take it from them. That being said. It is Impossible to steal musical vibrations (SOUND). BUT! you can share it. NOW. What the musicians are bitching about is the $$$$ they feel they are being screwed out of. These daze musician's make most of there $$$$ from doing LIVE CONCERTS. Check out the prices these Daze. My 1st concert was KISS in 1976, right after KISS ALIVE was released. I paid around $20.00 For my good seat, with Bob Segar as the opening act. Now, these daze. Each original member of GNR Slash, Axl, and Duff makes 1 million each per show. BUT! there music doesn't SUCK!
@@Gabrielarbizazuluaga was called tape trading back then,,way before your time,
most band didnt care about that because they typically made, at best, pennies on the dollar. but what file sharing did was hurt the record companies. so buy hurting the record companies it hurt artist and the music industry because record companies then tried to grid everything, no longer take on a band that is seen as a risk, no longer have talent scouts, and have basically made themselves the gate keepers of music (popular music at least) 1 person sharing a tape even 100 times does nothing but a million downloads from a single source is a different animal. however the music industry kinda did it to themselves because they could have stopped it early on and offered high quality downloads cheap, bought napster from the get go
Ace Frehley's playing sounds a bit sloppy, but in the context of the music, it WAS rock and roll and you can really hear what's missing with the more technically proficient players they had after him.
Michael Garcia - Led Zep. Slash, the stones- drunk an sloppy hard to copy.
Some of Ace's lead parts are imprinted in my memory forever. "Almost human" (did he just fall over ?) "Shock me", "Hard Times", "she" , "Stange ways", "Love Gun"etc..etc... Timeless classics of cool, street cred and attitudes . You Knew it was ace with the first note .
@@axelpteeg Ace gets a lot of credit for having a signature style, but often gets reamed for not being a player of technique. I personally get bored listening to lots of sterile, perfectly executed scales. If I wanted that, I would listen to the harpsichord. Ace is the GOAT (to me) -- I don't care what the haters say. You are right about distinct his solos are!
One of the best (if not the best) interviews of Paul! Great job Rogan!
yeah, "at least she has a bush. That thing has also changed" *talking bout how times a changin
My exact thoughts! Rogan is awesome and Paul is a rock God! And a good cook too for the record. Haha!
I love Paul. Always have. Always will. I loved his book. He tells his truth and does it with class. One of the last truly great Rock stars left.
You can really tell the rockers who have done drugs and the ones who haven't
Jimmy page? Very coherent and responsive in recent interviews.
@@coltonkrause8574 yep, but page has been clean for many, many years now.
@@coltonkrause8574 - you should look at video of Jimmy Page at Live Aid in 1985!
Yes u can tell
I agree but Nikki Sixx was probably THE worst when it came to drugs EVER but now he’s really intelligent, down to earth, and kind.
Joe's doing really good job surprising me with the guests lately lol I like it! One of the days Dave Chapelle is just gonna pop up on here on a random tuesday like "What's up nigga" lmao
i hope dave chappelle comes, i would be so fucking happy to see that.
still no fucking dave WHYYYYYY JOE
purplehaze165 is Hey
Paul Stanley: a jerk with a nice guy persona
Gene Simmons: a nice guy with a jerk persona
Lmao they're both fucking assholes.
I met Gene in 02. Was unbelievably down to earth and cool with me. Wasn't the prick that he projects himself to be at all.
Paul does not come across as a dick at all, in this interview...
You're full of shit. Gene is the biggest asshole in rock music..
All the time, people saying this do not personally know the men.
I never gave a rat's about KISS one way or the other, but this guy seems very grounded a rational, good for him screw the haters...
Paul Stanley I like. Gene Simmons is a fucking narcissistic egomaniac that I don't like.
@@Marvhagler This ^
I agree. Paul seems like the most balanced person in the band.
@@Marvhagler Ace and Peter definitely say he is. I cannot say, I DO NOT KNOW THE MAN. I know I saw his eyes well up with tears when he visited a Veterans Hospital. Saw something that, not sure, he is worth $200-$230 million. I would think most entertainers are egomaniacs and such.
I don't ever say anything on UA-cam, but I'm here to defend one of my favorite bands - TELEVISION...........Paul Stanley said on this podcast that "They Sucked " - Hey Paul, YOU SUCK and I will make sure to promote pirating ("stealing") your music..
His opinion on pirating is .... well I don't gotta agree with it.
But throughout this podcast you can tell this guy is genuinely a good person.
Fucking whole lot less pretentious and just over all better than Gene Simmons you can say.
Yeah he comes across great in this. Out of interest what is your opinion on pirating
We want to pretend art is our personal property. Yet, everything is borrowed from our imagination.
Safe to say energy in meant to be shared.
That being said, I only use hippie logic man, you might not wanna ask me lol.
Kynn SoClose thats an interesting perspective. But even by that logic I think you should still appreciate the time and effort taken to pluck elements from the ether and forming it into something that can be presented and enjoyed by other people. And although business can obviously be counter productive to the creative process, through most of history without the infrastructure it provides it would be nearly impossible discover music. It takes money to make records, cassettes, CDS, radio stations etc. John Lennon would was born with his talent and nothing can ever take that away from him. But without the music industry to broadcast his talent it could only have been enjoyed by his friends and family rather than millions of people all around the world long after his death.
Paul Stanley is OVER this conversation about music theft lol
q
*copyright infringement.
Theft is a crime that deprives someone of their physical property.
Copyright infringement is a civil matter regarding unauthorized duplication of an idea or artistic creation.
There were many gray area considerations he was not prepared to reconcile.
Not as long as money is involved
He's 100 percent correct/Why should you spend a million plus dollars on making on a album only to not recoup your money...….People steal/give it away for free on the internet...…..fans ruined the music business,Theres no 2 ways about it,,..Why movies ,you pay for online,but music ,you don't,nothing should be free ….It makes no sense,The days of big record sales are over(thanks once again,"so called" fans)they had to rely on touring and merch to make money,Now,with Corona Virus,they can't even tour
No doubt he truly is a rock star...he has experience so much in his life..so hearing him speak is great. I'm not a kiss fan...but with any band/artist that has such a long legacy..through time..media..breakthrough(pre internet duh)...they can tell a great real story. Things that has done must make for great stories...there was no cellphones w cameras..so things must be CRAZY...REAL rock star Stories..now rock stars probably can do sh*(&T because they might be on TMZ tomorrow with pics...so back then its legit..Great podcast and talk
Yeah what we considered rock stars back in the day no longer exist
Yeah, KISS got me into rock' n roll as a musician, thanks to my older brother Steve R.I.P. Man...
Yea me to first time I heard these guys was in 75 and there was nothing like them I was in 6th grade. First Live Kiss show was in 1980. Still to this day I've never seen a better live show. Later on I went on to work in the music industry
for a guy that started out by saying he didn't want to disparage anyone he did a pretty good job of carving up Peter and Ace
Definitely he put some sugar on his own shit sandwich
He always does, in every interview. It's part of his forte. He also likes bad mouthing the KISS all time No.#1 hit song BETH, Sung by Peter of course. Peter had a way better R&R voice than Paul, And Ace on guitar goes without even mentioning. Ace is KISS on Guitar.
Ezrin also played all of the music to that track. All Peter Criss did was sing it. That being said. The N0.#1 top selling KISS song BETH was more like Peter Criss, and Bob Ezrin's GREATEST HIT, and no KISS.
Unfortunately he always does that. He can't understand anyone who doesn't think like him.
The "carving up" was mostly driven by Rogan's questions. That said, I don't believe Paul takes any pleasure in tearing down Peter and Ace. KISS concert fans have high expectations, both in the performance and the presentation. I think Paul truly wanted to make it work, but Peter and Ace just didn't have the same level of long-term dedication.
After reading through the comments maybe I'm the only one but I found this to be really inspiring and insightful. He dropped so many gems about life and happiness. So glad I watched this.
"The person who succeeds is the one who continued after they failed".
Casual Play : It was good and I don't understand the negativity. Detroit rock city always got me going on Saturday night along with Black Sabbath, foreigner, zeppelin..... a lot of good memories go with that band and Stanley seems pretty cool.
The one who wins is the one who cares more about selling toys and merchandise than the art that made the monster
@Garegh62 he does all the things that are classic gay like telling you about all the action he's getting with women without you asking
@Garegh62 sure bud
true.But the smacking between phrases grates on my nerves...
dude is mad eloquent
Paul is a thinker. I like that! I just wish he would accept more responsibility for what happened to Peter and Ace. He tends to blame them and not look at himself.
How can someone be held hostage to two other people's addictions? Ace in his book, said he would have been dead had he remained in the band. It is sad that it did not change during The Reunion.
I see what you're saying, but...
I agree 100%, but...
but...
but...
but...
Joe Rogan might as well said, "Paul, I download music all the time, pleeeeeeease say it's ok."
"what if I made a copy of it?" Like wtf. One payment for one album. Not one payment for 10 albums.
Richard Panak But....
Exactly! I'm sorry but this is why music sucks so badly now! The artists aren't really invested. Most of their stuff is written for them. And, the majority of the money goes to the record company.And,they are gone as fast as they came. Also it's really bad for the artists who really try to make it and have the talent. Because the pay off in the end is so much less. I agree with Paul 150%!!!
Joe u know stealing is stealing..Lol U create music u outta be compensated
This is one of the reasons, one of them, that tickets are $100-200. The artist needs a different way to make revenue to make up for music sales.
Mr. Brogan...
You have blown me away, Paul!!! I went to see Kiss in 1980 in Sydney Australia. I was a huge Kiss fan. I own 18 albums and I just loved Paul! Watching this was amazing seeing and hearing the real Stanley Eissen :) What a wonderful human being he is! Great podcast. Thank you 🖤🎵🎶🎵
10:23 Wrong album Joe, that would be Double Platinum you were opening.
and joe is a big kiss fan lol
Joe opened that Prince Album Controversy with Prince riding that Purple Motorcycle on the cover. 🤣
Ha, yeah I thought the same thing. Oof, wrong album Joe, that was double platinum.
He's not a fan. Notice Paul didn't say thank you to him for going to the shows? He just said yeah I was there too.
@@djdj71d I don't know, c'mon and love me is a pretty deep track.
Great interview. I just don't like Paul's comment about the band Televsion. Sure there were some underground New York bands in the 70's who were mediocre or even sucked, but Television certainly weren't one of them. And I don't think Television are "irrelevant" at all like he said. Their Marquee Moon album is still very popular. I even heard it playing at a Tokyo club a month ago, and I was actually the only foreigner there.
Agreed. That's some bullshit there. They helped build the entire CB's scene. In fact those dudes went on to do some amazing work on their own. They weren't going for sell out stadium rock they were more art rock. For him that's success, selling merch, selling out stadiums. They were entertaining but Kiss reminds me of a bar band in the 70's now. Great moments but just moments.
He’s right. Television sucked big time. They deserved to fade in to obscurity and die.
Stank Nugget same with KISS and they are lol, young kids these days are listening to Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd if they’re going for classic rock, thankfully.
Agreed. I'm not a fan of the band Television either, but I've seen and read plenty of things that have said their contemporaries praised them as important part of that scene at that time. Just b/c a band doesn't get rich and famous and have longevity doesn't mean they weren't/aren't important or made their mark.
Congrats. You led a really good interview. Can't remember having seen such a deep running interview with Paul ever.
Paul is a good guy. Can’t say that about Gene.
Gene is massive tool.
Paul truly is such a good guy. Awesomely talented as well
Gene is a good guy. Can't say that about Ace.
Bob Baker Ace is a good guy, can’t say that about Tommy
Joe is a good guy, can't say that about Paul, or Gene, or Ace, or Peter.
The up and coming artist make more money due to file sharing. They don't play their music on mainstream. If it wasn't for the internet no one would come to their shows.
There is a difference between people finding music on the internet and file sharing. Obviously file sharing takes place on the internet. Because of the internet the entire world is exposed to someone's music. He isn't opposed to that. Paul Stanley's concern is that artists are not getting compensated for their work. Rightfully so. Artists don't make more money due to file sharing. Artists MAY gain more exposure due to someone sharing their music which in turn can make the artist profitable in other areas. However, file sharing is peer to peer and there is no compensation or royalties paid to the artist when the transfer is made. There are two sides to every story but if an artist is selling their music and there are copyrights in place, the artist should be compensated. That's how they get paid, that's how they're able to afford to put on a show in the first place. A lot of bands don't even get paid for playing shows anyways.You should understand - you have a production company. How would you get paid from an artist who isn't generating revenue?
But actually, artist are getting paid for their work. I am a working musician. Without people getting the music for free, they wouldn't come to the shows, they wouldn't keep up with the band, they'd never even hear of us as a matter of fact. The radio is not like it was in Paul's day. So, actually, file sharing, even illegally, makes most new bands money. This does not count the huge mainstream bands of course. We are talking legitimate art.
You're still saying the same thing. You're just saying that your using your music as, essentially, advertising sot hey come to your show. Without them illegally sharing your music, then they wouldn't come in the first place. I don't know what universe you're living in but the last time I checked, if someone likes your band then they will come to your show. Kudos to you if you're able to float above the water with people not buying your music and you're able to make money doing live shows. However, that should be a decision made by the artists and not the fans. Regardless, bands should be compensated for their efforts if another person enjoys it and it's being sold. Without a doubt, file sharing has it's place but people shouldn't be stealing or sharing the music without the consent of the artist.
I'd also like some sort of statistic that proves that "illegal file sharing makes most new bands money". It's ludicrous.
***** Fucking dead on dr. Dead on.
This comment gave me cancer.
At about 21 minutes Paul Stanley says that he wanted a pussy. That could be taken two ways.
After hearing Joe justify file sharing I wont feel guilty next time i watch UFC ppv sites for free
I watch ufc right here on UA-cam the day after the fight
Yep I was thinking that same thing
Wow! Lotta KISS hate here. Why bother watching the video or comment on it, if you think Kiss was / is a joke? I love how people express their opinions as if they're FACT. Whether or not a band's music "SUCKS" is subjective. That means, just because YOU see no value in it...doesn't mean everyone feels that way! No doubt, the makeup, costumes, big stage shows were a HUGE factor in their success. Call it a "gimmick" or whatever you want...but it DID make the band unique. I, for one, love Kiss for the whole package....but when I put on a Kiss record, I don't SEE the band....I just enjoy hearing the MUSIC. So, yes...there are many fans that do enjoy the band for the music FIRST. I happen to think that the early Beatles music was complete bubblegum CRAP music... but a lot of people would disagree with me. Kiss, because of their image and marketing, are just an easy target to attack. For some reason, it's always been hip for all the r-n-r snobs to disrespect the band. If you truly don't like Kiss, fine....but don't just jump on the hate bandwagon cause you think it makes you more "musically intellectual".
Amen!!!! Took the words right out of my mouth
Saw them several times. They were horrible musicians. They were GREAT showmen.
EXACTLY!
I dispise Crap Rap, but I don't go UTUBE and bash the artists, if that's what you wanna call them 😜
KISS The HARDEST working ROCK BAND... Pointe Finale 😁🤘
It's not about intellectual or music it's about actually being there at that time and knowing what you're talkin about, I wouldn't dare go back before my time and try to profess what happened in music, it's not going to be true, stay in your lane and comment on the Pet Shop Boys
Great interview! I like Paul Stanley. I got irked for a little while when Joe kept harping on the file sharing. But, he did a good job interviewing.
Ace Frehley had the best selling solo album let's get that straight Paul and Peter Criss song Black Diamond which was one of the better songs. It's all about Paul Stanley
It was the best-selling album
in the first place because of a cover song.
Ace's self-written songs never were big hits.
Paul wrote "Black Diamond".
And when Peter was "not able" to do a show, Paul was singing his song live himself. Awesome.
He simply has more substance and reliability.
YOU WANTED THE BEST YOU GOT THE BEST!!!!!
i think the reason people are so quick to attain their music through "file sharing" is because we were literally ripped off for generations by the music business. we were paying $20 for CD's back in the 80's because we had to. the astronomical profits made by record labels back in those days should be carrying them through what is now the leaner years lol
I bet most people who steal music are younger then the 80s
*K131399* I agree. Let's not forget the few 'lifetime guarantee' offers we bought through shitholes that went belly up before obliging. (The Wall was one of them)
I agree with RigedSky too. The main issue is they charge WAY too much for a fucking CD.
If you were overpaying for music CDs, then YOU were contributing to you getting "ripped off". A service or product (commodity) is only worth what people are willing to pay for it (Economics 101... supply & demand). You were willing to pay $20 for a CD... so, you werent getting ripped off.
This is a great interview! I'm becoming a fan of Paul Stanley the guy. And of course the always enlightening Joe Rogan but seriously this is like really inspiring. Paul really put a lot of my thoughts into words giving answers I didn't know the questions too.
Joe is great.
"I totally wholeheartedly agree with you...BUT..."
Joe should grill him hard, he's never coming back
10:23 WTF? Joe doesn't know the difference between The Alive 2 album and Double Platinum
Yes i caught that too.
Thank you!
Oh no!
"where are we going with this" 🤣🤣🤣 Forever love you for this
What a down to earth..intelligent man. I've never heard him really speak before. How refreshing. He's a very
genuine person.
😅"Every show your were at, I was at"
Despite the analogies, fact is that Ace is the most successful artist outside of KISS. Even counting while in KISS, his solo album was the best selling of the four. I understand Paul feels that the band is greater then the individual members. To a KISS fan like me, Kiss is not KISS without Ace and Peter. Just a cover band.
I met Paul at an autograph signing back in the late 70s at Peaches Records in Seattle....he came across as very genuine and gentle. Thanks for the music Paul. You inspired my art and guitar playing.....and still do.
I don't care what you naysayers think. This man's been my rock & roll hero since 1976. I even got my 1st tattoo of a small rose on my upper bicep in honor of Mr. Stanley..The man is a freaking legend!
Sorry I can’t stand this guy and I love the music but he is a pos period
I don’t understand why people were so hostile to people like Lars Ulrich and Paul Stanley. I just hope they know that smaller musicians such as myself appreciate Paul and Lars standing up for us smaller guys as well who today’s day and age in the music industry is vastly different and unprofitable for our art.
Paul Stanley and more specifically Gene Simmons treat their music as a product and not as an art , gene simmons actually said this , he basically said in an interview that when one of their songs Is playing anywhere on any platform they want a cut , if u have non original kiss clothes or banners posters etc , they will sue the people making them and make you buy from a source which they get a cut from . their greediness has been their downfall. To them it's not ok to buy an album and listen to it with 5 of your friends ,they want thoese 5 friends to have also bought the album so they have ,,right" to their music. Which is just sickening , music is an art and it comes from the heart (Not modern music heh ) Most famous artists started very poor and money wasn't on their minds , they just wanted to make music.. and they got to be as successful as they are because they never cared how the music was distribuited..for them , it just mattered that as many people get to hear their art as much as possible. The whole interview he makes half baked statements about how negatively affected musicians are from pirating..bullshit , and coming from him is disgusting , I wanna hear a lesser known artist complain..they almost never do
And Lars Ulrich the same , the other members were not on board with him with the whole Napster debacle , but when they sue and criticize fans for sharing their music (Metallica members being worth hundreds of millions of dollars, money that exists because of the fans that put them on a pedestal and helped the band grow) Then people lose respect and they never want to hear your garbage again , even more so , makes them never buy anything and just pirate everything :)..a fate well deserved by all greedy musicians.
They don't stand up for young budding musicians , you might have been swayed to think that because..above all else , lars and Stanley+Gene from Kiss , are businessman who want to make as much as possible and leave as little as possible for others..period
Now you understand why people hate on them:)...again I repeat myself but it must be heard...you start going into music with the thought of making money , you will NEVER make money , just make music and if its from the heart and people see that and ejoy it , money will come knocking on your doorstep :P
And lastly , the only ones complaining about file sharing and pirating music , are the millionaire musicians , the less known ones are just happy more people listen to their music..hundred milionaires are complaining about not making millions :) awesome..
And lastly lastly , a huge % of people who pirate music don't live in the U.S. or live in garbage low salary countries , where you can barely afford to live a half decent life.. where an album is a few days to a week of works pay , why would someone give that much for music? and if they don't have the possibility to pay for it , are you really gonna deny people the joy of music cause a millionaire musician can't get richer?
Music has only been a *truly* profitable industry since the early 1900s.
Music has always been a communal art often times reaping little reward.
One would argue that Lars and Paul commuted the first disservice by even trying to charge people for music in the first place.
Mihai Robert You should know by now that Gene speaks upon himself and not the band... that’s the one thing Paul can’t stand about him
Unbelievable how many negative comments are posted here it confirms my belief sadly that most people nowadays just want to tear other people apart and criticize
everything. Here is a man who has lived the American dream has done nothing but bring happiness and joy to millions of people not just in the USA but around the world for generations now. He has done more with his life than most would do if they lived a 1000 lifetimes and still nothing but griping and nitpicking and disparaging remarks. Not that I or certainly not Paul Stanley will lose any sleep over it but WTF it's animosity that should be directed at someone who's more deserving of it.
He even started the interview throwing former band members under the bus...classy...
What's unbelievable is how a toy and doll merchandise created kiss fan can believe so much horseshit he hears from Gene and Paul, if you think that dude is happy you're not paying attention! he knows the truth, while I'll never know what it feels like to rock a kiss lunch box to school, you'll never know what an actual real kiss alive show was like , because there's no way to recreate it and I'm never going to go back to school.
@@mrromantimothy I'm not sure what you are saying so wanted to ask. We may be roughly same age bracket. I bought my 1st Kiss album in '74 and saw my 1st concert in '77. To me, the concert was a disappointment. These were my hero's afterall. But they were upstaged by the opening act, Cheap Trick, who kicked ass. If you're a band like Kiss, you need all 4 players able to play. I had the same experience with my 1st Alice Cooper concert in '76. Sometimes it's not good to meet your hero's .
@@fixitmyself Well said, and I had a similar experience in the late 70's approaching my 13th b,day. I too, went on to bands like Van Halen,Ozzy & Motley Crue in the 80's.
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Paul is awesome!! This was fantastic to listen to!
damn just as i was about to go to bed rogan uploads a podcast. Time to make a coffee and smoke a numba
Aliens's lol
That Guy From London Go to bed, you stupid fuck.
Stank Nugget maybe your the dumb fuck you twat
ACE left on both occasions of his own accord. " Big SILVER Kiss Alive 2 Album Cover " Wow Big Fan the Interviewer is, that was Double Platinum you Fucktard. Agree with Paul that Peter didnt write Beth , Stan Penridge did, but what Paul doesnt tell you that on that Album Destroyer, acclaimed as their best, only 2 of the 10 Songs were written soley by KISS. God of Thunder and Sweet Pain, all others were written by paid professional writers in the same way Beth was. So keep patting yourself on the back Paul
12:45 Television sucks? I’m a KISS fan but there’s only 5 good albums and none are masterpieces. ‘Marquee Moon’ is a start-to-finish work of art.
Was waiting for someone to say this !!
@Einstein's Monster I cannot recommend 'Marquee Moon' enough. Ask people who were in the New York scene, Television were some of the best! Who gives a shit that it's obscure... you can't JUST listen to classic rock radio. To each their own, though...
@@gagefraw3182 I find that often times people will say something like "music today sucks, everybody sucks" (translation: all the bands *I've heard of* today suck, so fame doesn't tell you anything about quality). Then you tell them "this band or the other is actually great!" Immediate response? "I've never heard of them!"
Why isn't Eddie Bravo there?
He's out back smoking a spliff
why ? is he a fan?
Doctor Octagon the globe has an edge?
oh yeah, till he gets dissed by one of the kiss members earlier
He probably fell off of the edge of the flat earth where we live on .
Paul has a great ASMR voice.
Polar opposite of his partner in crime.....I mean music
Paul Stanley is so right on success and the music industry. File Sharing kills new artists. I, by the way, LOVE obscure artists. I disagree with Paul on this. U2 didn't sell a thing until the 3rd album. I was there for the first 2 albums and am there today.
How about an obscure band that makes terrible music? Would you like them?
I think it would be interesting to compare Joe's pet peeve about joke stealing with his devil's advocate stance with Paul about file sharing. I realize there is a difference but ultimately both center on artistic property. This is a totally fantastic interview.
+Captain Grub Perfect comparison. Hey Joe, i'm gonna do a few of your jokes onstage. It's not stealing,you can still do them too.
+Edward Bernard It's not an apt comparison at all. That'd be like joke theft vs. playing other peoples songs for profit without crediting them, which nobody is claiming is OK.
Captain Grub no it’s not. Joke theft is literally stealing someone’s intellectual property for profit. Stealing copies of someone’s recorded music is simply petty theft-it doesn’t take away the artist’s identity and rebrand it as your own
You gotta get him back on and ask him why he thinks it’s ok to lip synch all his songs on the 2019 farewell tour despite slagging off lesser bands for years for doing the same thing. What a hypocrite.
The Fonz was always Gay as fuck
Joe, I love how you open up the show with total respect for the man Paul Stanley. You know this is not just another person but someone that took us to a place, while we were young that we can never go back to.
Super smart and well spoken human. Humble but passionate about issues he’s connected too. Very compassionate and matter of fact. Refreshing.
Paul probably has the highest IQ out of every frontman in the history if frontmen. Genius, no wonder why him and KISS have been so successful.
I saw them in 1994 and suffered from hearing loss after the concert. 😜Paul has one of the best vocal ranges and powerful voices in rock. He’s always been my favorite. And he proves in every interview to have one of the most intelligent perspectives in rock and roll. I may not agree with everything he says, but I admire his ability to put his thoughts into cogent, down-to-earth conversation.
Wow Pauls truly a legend never knew he was so grounded & super intelligent!! Amazing!!
Paul Stanley is definitely my favorite member in the band personality wise. I love Ace’s guitar playing tho
Gene & Paul purposelessly wouldn’t let Ace songs on the albums so that they would make more money.
Dakota Tenhet 1 Ace & Peter song mostly
Ace and Peter had solo opportunities to crank out good music, nothing really materialized if we’re honest
I'm a huge Ace fan but that's not true. There are even a lot of Ace songs on Dinasty and Unmasked. They're just not good ones. Pitty.
12:40 DID HE JUST SAY TELEVISION WAS IRRELEVANT? Boy is he wrong. People revere Marquee Moon and they were incredible players.They went nowhere because they were to unusual for mainstream audiences in the 70s...that and they were falling apart because of drug addiction
Agree! A friend showed me them a few years ago and I was really surprised that they where from the 70s. I legitimately thought I was listening to a current band.
i am a titanic Kiss fan, but i stopped listening right there. Television neither sucked nor were irrelevant. They are one of the most talented, relevant bands that has ever existed.
I stopped listening there as well. Seemed like a really douche move on Paul's behalf.
Who?
TheZurul fuck I stopped the podcast there, I got hella annoyed haha
Paul was the glue to keep KISS moving forward. I met him in NY and he was the nicest guy.
Dont think I would have lasted either...Paul acts like Hatfield! Paul and Dave Mustaine would have fought it out, and I would have been like Dave and would have said...Damn Paul! Fucking have fun, crowd loves us, they love us 100%...our Albums are 100% Paul...u take shit so seriously...100% to God damn seriously!!!
Seriously, you guys can't make a simple google search?
I like some of their songs but I was never a fan of Radiohead, their "pay what you want" album "In Rainbows" made a killing for the band.
It was only a "disaster" for the "music industry" fuckers that didn't make a cent out of it.
So even if they only sold 1 million albums for $1 each, that's still nearly 1 million dollars directly in their pockets without several middle man leeching most of the profits.
And Joe PowerfulJRE should know and mention the example of Luis C.K. that made a shit load of money by selling reasonably priced tickets for tours of his stand-up show via his website, circumventing the big ticket companies.
And selling his show "Live at the Beacon Theater" DRM free for only $5 directly to the consumer.
"C.K. said that 220,000 people had bought the show, providing a gross of $1.1 million. With the proceeds, C.K. said that he reimbursed his company $250,000 for production costs, gave $250,000 in bonuses to those who work for him, donated $280,000 to a mix of charities, and joked he would use the remaining $220,000 to buy himself a new penis ("I'm keeping the old one...I'm gonna have an old one and a new one, right there. It's gonna be nice.")."
paul Stanley the intelligent rock star. gene simmons is a saavy character as well, pretty rare for superstar rock stars.
It's been quite a while since they were considered super stars I'd say they were good business men that could play a little.
MC F they didn’t play to be the best technical players they just knew how to make the good sounds
41:13 WHAT!? You have money, Bud... When was the last time you cried because you couldn't eat... Unhappiness comes from what is making you miserable, if you couldn't eat wouldn't you feel unhappy.. See PAUL is talking shit because he thinks it's making him happy,,,, BUT you can see his ass is miserable. It's why he's focused on the negative. Maybe he will learn on playback of himself. People need that kind of reflection.
I love Pauls humble laments terms way of communicating and his ego seems well grounded for a trillion album sales multimillionaire perhaps billionaire guy.
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Pauls openness and honesty is amazing, Great interview as always Joe..
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12- year old me bought kiss alive when it came out, after first hearing hotter than hell, my fav-album of theirs.
It's difficult to NOT like Paul!
That said, sometimes his passive aggressive pettiness toward Ace & Peter is off putting. His points may be valid, but there's a lot of good that they contributed to the band..... ESPECIALLY Ace! Talk about "down to earth".
Ace was the gifted musical talent of the original band. Gene & Paul are businessmen. They tend to grade out as slightly below average as musicians. Ace was the dude that rocked it. Kulick & all the boys that replaced Ace are great technical players that are paid to do what the slightly below average leaders, such as this clown instruct them to do. Control freaks. Ace and Peter made the band!
@@JRKIXASS while Ace was and is a great guitarist Peter on the other hand was a mediocre drummer .I cant say they made the band because Kiss is still around and making music without them.Before you blow a fuse I love Ace And Peter just as much as Gene and Paul so im not in one camp or the other .What im saying is Kiss wouldnt have succeeded without all of those guys there in the beginning.Also I personally think Bruce Kulick is probably the best guitarist they ever had his work on Asylum and Revenge was all kick ass.I think we can all agree VV is a total douche bag.
This guy has a plate of cookies and crying that a mouse ate his sandwich crumbs last week, this guy is gross
Kinda like your crying because you have done nothing and have nothing so drag other down to build yourself up. You are gross.
I loved the Elder i don't know why they it was terrible album .i still love listening to it now .
Great album , bad Kiss album. Wrong timing and should have listened to Aces gut feeling.
I’m going to give it a couple more spins, maybe I didn’t give it enough of a chance, thanks for your comment. 🤘🏼
This is the best Paul Stanley interview I've ever listened to. It really feels like you get to learn more about the real Paul Stanley. It wasn't one of those 5 minute interviews talking about how great the next tour is. Great interview
Joe Rogan is a great interviewer when he is not high. I mean his forte is not having an agenda, thus his interviewees won't act defensively and will open themselves to him.
a truly honest and strong human
10:20 Joe was describing Double Platinum !🙄
59:52 I needed a lifeline and that's what therapy was for me... if you workout when you first start you don't see results immediately. But you have the hope, and the hope is what drives you. its the desire in knowing that "If i do this, the end product will be satisfying". Therapy is no different, its not an immediate solution but it gives you the knowledge that you're on a path, you're doing something about this, you have a goal.
Paul hating on Ace and Peter as usual
Have you ever lived with a heavy alcoholic🥃?
It's realistic and well-spoken how Paul describes them.
Ace's wife and daughter probably hate him even more.
Joe: I agree with you, BUT....
I just found this video, what a great interview 👏 5 yrs later still relative