The difference between Dr. Brown and Brandan is that Dr. Brown tries to express what the Bible says, but Brandan tries to show us his desires in the bible.
@@rosw-gd9555 it really seems the guy was made that way, doesnt it? Why woukd God be against something he made? How can you help what attracts you? Many guys wish they were straight but say they cant live a lie. Some kill themselves. Who would choose this?
@@joecheffo5942Easy. I come from a family of alcoholics. I started drinking very early in age. Drank for well over 15 years before I stopped. I used to drink a 750ml bottle a day, several back to back weeks in a row, not an exaggeration. My temptation, my lust, was alcohol. I couldn’t help that I was raised around it my entire life, or that I was predisposed to become addicted. I went to rehab several times, and at best I would learn to slow down on drinking temporarily. Once I accepted that Jesus Christ was the Father in the flesh and that he died on that cross for our sins, it took me about 2 months to quit cold turkey. I was addicted to sin. My sin with self indulgence in alcohol is no better that Brendan’s sin of laying with man, nor is it better that I look at women with lust than it is that Brandan looks and men with lust. The point of accepting Jesus Christ as your savior is to live as pure of a life as you humanly can through knowing that God is there to protect you, including being protected from temptation. Being gay doesn’t mean eternal damnation, but shamelessly giving into gay desires (or any sexual desires) might, and certainly advocating for it will. I’m not sure how Brandan will be judged, but boy, I nervous for him. May god have mercy on his soul.
@@joecheffo5942Your claiming that ‘it seems that God made him that way’ shows that you don’t have a great understanding of Theology. God didn’t make homosexuals the way they are in the same way that God didn’t make the masochists and the narcissists the way they are.
@@weston06. Actually he makes both. Science, and common sense observation, shows people are born gay. Twin stufies show this. Differences in brains even. Why dont you leave Gods creations alone. Man made the book, God made the prople.
I do not agree with everything Michael Brown teaches, but I must say, he most certainly did his homework and refuted all of the arguments Brandon used against Jeff and James
This is for everyone who believes Brandon is correct. Romans 16:17-18 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive
@@joecheffo5942it does because Brandon is using the next verse to say it’s only talking about idolatry but the next verses continue on other things that are also not allowed
amen praise God You continue to transform lives. thank you Dr Brown. we love you Brandan, we pray for you & other homosexuals for humility, for wisdom, complete repentance & an amazing testimony for Jesus
@@SrHdezTrades he said things that went with idolatry. They may have had gay sex and bestiality but the gay sex he is talking about is in a different context, not as part of a fiery idol worshipping demon cult.
Jesus said many will say to me on that day. Jesus said, “Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” (Matthew 7:23). This will be Brandon if he does not repent.
Dr Brown: Verses, verses, verses, biblically sound and accurate. Brandan: Love me, love me, very cleverly and conveniently wrong deceit and depraved in his own arguments, not a single verse, so the Bible is not his authority but his "new" revelation of the "truth"
There certainly are LGBT people who claim to be, or who believe they are Christains! But there is no much a person who is a LGBT Christian. We are commanded to repent, turn from our sin, and sin no more!
The reason why all sexual immorality is idolatry, is because Yahweh's only normative form of sexuality is found in Genesis 2:24 "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh."
@@revbrandanrobertsonit does though. By going against God’s prescribed nature for human sexuality you place yourself and your own feelings above God. You’re saying that what you want and what you desire is more important or better than what God has designed.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, and wanting their ears tickled they will accumulate teachers in accordance with their own desires and turn their ears away from the truth and towards a myth
Jesus didn’t come into the world to condemn but to save (John 3:17). Just because He didn’t condemn homosexuality it doesn’t mean He agreed with it. Repeatedly Jesus said to sinners: go and sin no more
a sinful nature is our identity, Brandan. An identity that God is making new through the process of sanctification. Being white is a part of your identity that God doesn't ask you to change because it's an accidental, amoral quality. Homosexual desires may be a part of your identity, just like heterosexual desires are part of 99% of heterosexual male identity. However, what we do with our desires is the issue. Lustful desires, outside of the bonds of marriage (see Gen. 2:24 for a definition of marriage), and especially physical sexual encounters outside of marriage, are something we are expected to deny. Jesus said, "if your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out!" This is a clear statement prohibiting sexual immorality, regardless of our identity as heterosexual or homosexual. In fact, Brandan, this is a clear example of Jesus commanding us to "deny our identity," when that identity is sinful.
Perfect explanation!! It definitely doesn't make it right for a straight guy to sleep around with women. It is as much wrong to sleep around with same sex. But the only difference is one cannot "marry" the same sex and be faithful to that person and be justified just because they stayed faithful.
How can a man lie down with a man like a woman. Since men don't have vaginas then how is that possible? If it is not possible the verse makes no sense.
When Paul ( mentioning homosexuality) says that it's wrong in the eyes of God he says clearly that in the beginning God's intention when he created man was for him to have a female companion and that anything else besides that it would be a pervertion of God's design. In the beginning God created man and woman because he had a plan for them and Paul clearly stated that plan.Christ then said "Man will then find a suitable female and leave his father and mother to form a family of his own", that's God's way but this perverted young man wants to change God's ways and original plan to suit his own ways which are motivated by his own feelings and carnal desires!. The act of homosexuality in itself is pervertion and sinful independently on the context which is performed, if this lost gay pastor can not see the difference it is because he is not allowing the word of God to speak😢😢😢
Dr Brown is an inspiration. I love his gracious heart and gentle, but firm, approach. I also appreciate Brandon’s good nature and openness to discussion. Brandon’s opening statement: Jesus is pro-people, therefore pro-everything 😂
Well folks, no matter how hard it is to except and/or explain accordingly to the unadulterated word of God it's wrong and He sent is son Jesus to die us all, no matter what we all need a Saviour am I'm thankful for that in struggling with homosexuality. So, I've to believe God until I'm completely delivered and set free. Thank God I didn't or don't believe that lifestyle is right now matter even through birth❤
The apostle Paul writes, my preaching and teaching were not with enticing words, but a demonstration of the Spirit’s power. Words are not enough! Lord we need your power. We need you!
This was a much better debate, as opposed to his debate v James White and Jeff Durbin. Michael Brown allowed space for both positions to be stated clearly and thank God he did! When Brandon's position is stated clearly you can see how frail it is. It is not based on Scripture. He appeals to those with itching ears and man is he a dangerous person to bear the title of Christian. Is he saved? God knows. But he is certainly indulging his sinful passions and claiming that to be a good thing, so I have significant doubts. Praise the Lord for Michael Brown and may God have mercy on Brandon and lead him to the true knowledge regarding his sin.
One thing this video has reminded me of… the apostle Paul writes, my teaching and preaching were not with enticing words but a demonstration of the Spirit’s power. Words are not enough. Time to seek the Lord more…
Jesus did mention sexual immorality in Mark 7:20-23. Then the question becomes are homosexual acts considered sexual immorality in Jewish tradition? The answer is 100% yes. It is very clear that the only moral choice in christianity is to marry one person of the opposite sex or remain celibate. At the same time I also want to say do not hate LGBT people, Jesus still loves them despite their sinful lifestyle and so should we.
Im glad he does. Its a good way to expose the deception. Now if he gave him the platform fully to spit his agenda, i would disagree with. But this is healthy. This is exposing false doctrine and hopefully planting seeds and fertilizing them into Brandon. I'll pray for Brandon daily now that i know of him. I feel much pity for him and do not wish to see him perish. I can tell he loves God, but he loves his sin more unfortunately and wants to be accepted by the worlds ways more than Gods ways.
Well, Brandon‘s already mistaken already he said Jesus never denied anyone following him that wanted to follow him and that’s a lie right there. There was a guy that came up to him said I’ll follow you wherever you go and he said foxes have holes birds have nest, but the sun man has nowhere to lay his head. He walked away and the demon possessed manafter Jesus cast out the demon he wanted to follow him and he said no go back and tell everybody what God has done for you. He did that with the blind man too. That wanted to follow him so Brandon is already starting off on the wrong foot.
DEAR MICHAEL, HELLO BROTHER! GREAT DEBATE! MICHAEL, I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE WHO GOT SAVED, AND THEN WENT THROUGH DELIEVERANCE FROM THE GAY SPIRIT AND IT WAS CLEARLY A STRONG SPIRIT AS I SAW IT BATTLING VERY HARD TO STAY IN THE MAN THAT WAS BEING DELIEVERED. IT IS CLEAR TO ME THAT GOD MADE MALE AND FEMALE TO BE TO GATHER AND ANYTHING OTHER WISE IS NOT HIS DESIGN OR WILL. I DO BELEIVE THAT GOD LOVES THOSE THAT ARE TRYING TO GAY, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT GOD LOVES THE PERSON, BUT HATES THE SIN.
This phrase people always say “God loves the sinner but hates the sin” is unbiblical. The Bible says “God hates all workers of iniquity” the person, not just the sin. And the deceitful are “abhorrent to Him”. (Psalm 5:5-6). In other words this gay person that twists the Scripture in order to suit his sin, it is deceit and abhorrent to God. He is a worker of iniquity, hated by God, until he repents. If you don’t believe me, you will see just how much God hates people and how abhorrent they are to Him, that He will be able to put them in a fire that burns forever on Judgement Day.
Is eternal life eternal? Does God transformed the heart? Do those in the vine produce fruit? Does God prune those in the vine? Are we regarded as sons for correction? Can the redeemed, from the heart, curse Jesus? Does God cause us to walk in his rules and statutes? By Faith do we have peace with God in Christ? Is god so weak that the will in men is able to overcome him? Or is god so powerful that he is able to keep you from stumbling? Is our perceived “will” bestowed supernatural power to resist God? And if so, where did this power come from in the new covenant? Does God Bring the redeemed to completion? Can anyone come to Jesus outside of the biblically explicit draw of God? Does Christ lose any that God gives him? What is eternal life according to scripture? What is God’s truth according to Jesus?
He doesn't think it is against God's will. But why not just worry about yourself? Do you masterbate, have sexual thoughts outside marriage, get angry, get prideful? Why are you concerned about what this guy does in his bedroom probably one percent of his life? He is not a fundamentalist literalist, are you?
@@Mathiasda Probably the worst example you could have come up with. Milo follows the money. As long as there’s a business niche for a ‘reformed’ gay, he will happily be the product. Rules of capitalism. He has been bankrupt for many years now. He never stated (to my knowledge) he’s no longer gay (let alone letting himself be tested with a penile plethysmograph). And as far as I know he’s still married to his husband??
@@chibaz8882 I have no reason to believe that he is being insincere about this. And I have looked into it quite a lot. There are some (but not many) video interviews of him from the recent years where he talks about it. He seems truly repentant. But the written interview he did with LIFESITE three years ago is a good place to start if you want to know more. It is titled "Activist Milo Yiannopoulos is now ‘Ex-Gay,’ consecrating his life to St. Joseph".
How can anyone believe that God would affirm homosexual actions? Are such actions good? Are they beautiful? How are they important? What purpose do they serve?
Jesus the same yesterday today forever the same if it detestable to God and Jesus is God. Your answer is there. Any relationship can become an idol. If God said I don't want you to be with this person FULL STOP, we have obey. Holding on to any relationship IF your love for it is above the love of the LORD there is a problem Why try to turn pizza hut into macdonald's Pls if you want to live your live anyhow then do that You are not following Christ you are following your flesh You can't do what you want and follow Christ You have to repent, pride is my will be done not God's.
Typical Brandan...He states his false premise on the Bible...has it obliterated by people who actually know the Bible and then he just keeps re-stating the premise exactly the same way as if this time it will make sense. I've seen him do this with multiple different Christian apologists. He thinks his charm and confident demeanor will cover up the fact that his arguments just don't hold water. But unfortunately, he tells a lot of people exactly what they want to hear so no matter how much he gets hung out to dry in these debates, he just keeps saying it over and over. Even if the building were to be struck by LIGHTNING when he was mid sentence...He still won't take the hint and repent. I'll continue to pray for his soul. ps...He claims that nowhere does the Bible tell him to deny who he is. Matt 16:24 Then Jesus told His disciples, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me".
Brandon is an antagonist of the faith…. He has made the scriptures in his image, not according to the word of God. So yes he has made it into idolatry. I pray that he repents… if not he should be SHUT DOWN.. if he continues to purport this lie, many people will believe it. He WILL answer to GOD for himself… so sad!
Why exactly? An exchange of 2 opposing views is needed and completely biblical. "We demolish arguments and every pretense that sets itself up against the knowledge of God." 2Cor 10:5. If the apostle Paul did it, we should.
@@revbrandanrobertsonNope. Brown's arguments were Biblical and yours were based on your own personal experience and feelings. So you are basically a god unto yourself. I pray that you will one day have an experience with the Jesus of the Bible.
So your Lord and Savior is described in this one book, and in the WHOLE book never says homosexuality is a sin. Why leave that out? It doesn't mean its OK but it does help his argument, doesn't it?
@@joecheffo5942 What was considered sexual immorallity by Jesus is everything that is considered sexual immorallity in the Torah and Judaism. Christianity is very clear on the subject your choice is to marry one person of the opposite sex or remain celibate.
@@RickyVis But what is sodomy back then? Today it is defined as “sexual intercourse involving anal or oral copulation.” Was it the same back then? Because they list sodomy and homosexuality separately. So what is sodomy in the OT, the same?
This guy brandn removes the very authority of christ. If you look at what paul says in 1cor6 paul talks about Christ being the gead and we being part of his body. He also asks are we to use the body of chriat to merge with a prostitute? Then in vs 19,20 he says tgat our body is the the temple of the holyspirit (spirit of holiness ,holiness being seperate from the world). And we are not iurs but we are bought with a price and belong to God therefore both our body and spirit are God's. Now going with that analogy christ is the head of the church and he determines what happens with the body. He has already stated that the only form of marriage or relationship is the one stated as man and woman being one flesh. If you are truly a follower of Jesu you will take his words as truth and authority not what you "think" or" perceive" Christ has not become your lord so you are still living by yoir standards brandan. Whe christ becomes tour lord you will do and see things from his perspective. According to paul i we are going by his analogy thesame way he condemns relations with prostitutes as using christs body to engage in things that don't glorify God is thesame way you are using your bOdy which is God's to engage in homosexuality which is actually despising the head. Also,Mat4:4 says man shall not live by bread aline but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Meaning the way you order your kife is not by your appetites(whichwas fundamentally what the devil was tempting Jesus on) but on what God says is right...not what you feel or think is right brandon. Everything you are doin negates the authority of the Jesu you claim to follow. He may be your saviour but he is not yet your lord because if he was Leviticus 18 would also apply to you,.. i mean this God himself talking. And remember brandan all scipture is given to us for teaching,reproof,correction that you may stand perfect.. It says all brandan not the ones you agree with or you feel fit your narrative. The fact the were written by God the holyspirit through men Should make i your standard. We all struggle with lust of different kind our ability to acknowledge and go before the throne of grace to reçeive mercy and grace to overcome is what makes us fOLLowers of christ. I am inclined to women,i am sexually active(meaning i get turned on too by themand want to have relationship with them) but letting that control me and start sleeping with anything under he skirt and saying "this is just who i am" is wrong...if i am under the jurisdiction of the christ "i cant be christian and a womanizer/fornicator just like you can't be christian and gay. That is out of Gods order Also idolatry does not just endin worship of hand made gods it is also worship or giving your attention and your all to something or someone that is not God. Tgat is why scripture Says we should worshio him with all our strength mind and heart because he is aware we could do thesame thing to other things that are not God. Even yourself Self worship is idolatry Sex worship is idolatry Self Pleasure(masturbation,porn, fornication, homosexuality etc) seeking is idolatry. Idols are not only of the hands they are also of the heart and that one is the most dangerous Much love❤
I wish it was ok to to be gay but it's does say it's a sin n old n new testament. Goes against God plan to multiple. I pray for all day n Trans to chose Jesus n ther flesh
Dr. Brown argues in the same way that the slave owners argued that slavery is acceptable to God. He holds his Bible as the Southern Baptist did in the South and says, "the Bible says slave serve your masters." The abolitionist held their Bible and said there is only one law and that is the Law of Love. Just read Charles Finney's theology book and you will see that Brandon is reasoning as Charles Finney. Their are several facts that were not brought up in the arguments. First, the list of sins that are a abomination include having sex with a women during her period. I have never seen a video or anyone who supports this verse. Maybe it was just a matter of cleanliness. The Mosaic Law does not say not to have sex with men. It says don't have sex with men as you have sex with women. Maybe that was because it was considered dirty. Also Paul gives the reason for people doing homosexual acts. God gave them over to homosexuality because they worshiped idols. That supports Brandon's position directly. Why would God give Brandon up to homosexuality if he was raised a Christian and serves as a pastor. On the other hand you could say the Dr. Brown would just apply Romans 9 to Brandon and say that God made all homosexuals to be vessels of destruction In order for him to show his power. This idea was supported by the Slave owners that their are people that God curses and hates and we do not need to apply the "love thy neighbor as thyself" to them. And finally Jesus says watch out for false prophets... by their fruit you will know them. It was denominations like the Congregationalist(UCC) that freed the slaves, it was the congregationalist(UCC) that led to women having a voice in churches and out society, It was congregational churches that led the civil right movement. And it was the congregationalist(UCC) that had the first gay ordained minister in their church. The Dr. Brown would still have slaves if it was not illegal because he follows his Bible as the Word of God instead of believing that Jesus is the Word of God.
I’ve been waiting for this comment!!! The most balanced and sensible and level headed response I’ve seen in all these comments. People truly don’t know the Bible (context of times written in etc) they see it as inerrant instead of spiritual text written by flawed men. And THEN they have the nerve to wield it as weapon to justify their own biases and prejudices. It’s easier for them to cling to what they think they know “to be right” then it is for them to “examine themselves” as the Bible says and consider the notion that they may have it wrong. Sad
Brandan you completely twist what the scriptures say and mislead people into thinking worldly sins are acceptable in God's kingdom. I pray whatever demon is possessing you and spreading your absolute lies leaves you and you find what it means to be a follower of Christ.
So Dr. Brown said in a debate a long time ago with Bart Ehrman that he drives an old buick, basically lives very bare bones, has one jacket, etc. Goes to India to volunteer, etc. I believe he does some of that, but if you are going to brag, then be consistent. This is a beatuiful studio he has (he looks very healthy I think he is in his 80's) seems relaxed and carefree. But certainly his studio is a lot fancier than others. One minute I think he is sincere another minute he seems like a used car salesman. He is so much smarter than the average person, who knows what to believe. That's why I picked up on this. Is this studio consistent with his professed image? He wants this guy to turn from his sins but is he following Jesus and giving all his money away?
The difference between Dr. Brown and Brandan is that Dr. Brown tries to express what the Bible says, but Brandan tries to show us his desires in the bible.
Lord God we pray against deception & distortion Holy Spirit we pray You lay it heavy upon Brandan that homosexuality is sin in Jesus' Might name amen
@@rosw-gd9555 it really seems the guy was made that way, doesnt it? Why woukd God be against something he made? How can you help what attracts you? Many guys wish they were straight but say they cant live a lie. Some kill themselves. Who would choose this?
@@joecheffo5942Easy. I come from a family of alcoholics. I started drinking very early in age. Drank for well over 15 years before I stopped. I used to drink a 750ml bottle a day, several back to back weeks in a row, not an exaggeration. My temptation, my lust, was alcohol. I couldn’t help that I was raised around it my entire life, or that I was predisposed to become addicted. I went to rehab several times, and at best I would learn to slow down on drinking temporarily. Once I accepted that Jesus Christ was the Father in the flesh and that he died on that cross for our sins, it took me about 2 months to quit cold turkey. I was addicted to sin. My sin with self indulgence in alcohol is no better that Brendan’s sin of laying with man, nor is it better that I look at women with lust than it is that Brandan looks and men with lust. The point of accepting Jesus Christ as your savior is to live as pure of a life as you humanly can through knowing that God is there to protect you, including being protected from temptation. Being gay doesn’t mean eternal damnation, but shamelessly giving into gay desires (or any sexual desires) might, and certainly advocating for it will. I’m not sure how Brandan will be judged, but boy, I nervous for him. May god have mercy on his soul.
@@joecheffo5942Your claiming that ‘it seems that God made him that way’ shows that you don’t have a great understanding of Theology. God didn’t make homosexuals the way they are in the same way that God didn’t make the masochists and the narcissists the way they are.
@@weston06. Actually he makes both. Science, and common sense observation, shows people are born gay. Twin stufies show this. Differences in brains even. Why dont you leave Gods creations alone. Man made the book, God made the prople.
I do not agree with everything Michael Brown teaches, but I must say, he most certainly did his homework and refuted all of the arguments Brandon used against Jeff and James
This is for everyone who believes Brandon is correct.
Romans 16:17-18
I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive
"Are adultery and bestiality only wrong in terms of idolatrous practice?" That destroys Brandan's argument, even if it won't convince him.
Brandan would have you believe if it was a mutual and equal relationship, bestiality would be acceptable
No it doesn't. Is there ANOTHER form of bestiality, a loving committed form? No. His argument is when there are two types of things, not just one.
@@joecheffo5942it does because Brandon is using the next verse to say it’s only talking about idolatry but the next verses continue on other things that are also not allowed
amen praise God You continue to transform lives. thank you Dr Brown. we love you Brandan, we pray for you & other homosexuals for humility, for wisdom, complete repentance & an amazing testimony for Jesus
@@SrHdezTrades he said things that went with idolatry. They may have had gay sex and bestiality but the gay sex he is talking about is in a different context, not as part of a fiery idol worshipping demon cult.
Jesus said many will say to me on that day. Jesus said, “Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” (Matthew 7:23). This will be Brandon if he does not repent.
Dr Brown: Verses, verses, verses, biblically sound and accurate.
Brandan: Love me, love me, very cleverly and conveniently wrong deceit and depraved in his own arguments, not a single verse, so the Bible is not his authority but his "new" revelation of the "truth"
Romans 1:22. Professing themselves to be wise they became FOOLS!!!!
And another thing, Brandon doesn’t understand the relationship between a husband and a wife is a picture of the bride of Christ the church
There certainly are LGBT people who claim to be, or who believe they are Christains! But there is no much a person who is a LGBT Christian. We are commanded to repent, turn from our sin, and sin no more!
The reason why all sexual immorality is idolatry, is because Yahweh's only normative form of sexuality is found in Genesis 2:24 "Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh."
That makes no sense. It doesn't make it idolatry.
@@revbrandanrobertsonit does though. By going against God’s prescribed nature for human sexuality you place yourself and your own feelings above God. You’re saying that what you want and what you desire is more important or better than what God has designed.
@@revbrandanrobertson It only makes no sense if you read it with your eyes closed.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, and wanting their ears tickled they will accumulate teachers in accordance with their own desires and turn their ears away from the truth and towards a myth
Jesus didn’t come into the world to condemn but to save (John 3:17). Just because He didn’t condemn homosexuality it doesn’t mean He agreed with it. Repeatedly Jesus said to sinners: go and sin no more
Dr Brown well done! And I love the respect that was shown.
He basically called him a degenerate, all with a smile.
@@joecheffo5942
He spoke the truth in love
@@joecheffo5942the Scripture called him a degenerate
a sinful nature is our identity, Brandan. An identity that God is making new through the process of sanctification. Being white is a part of your identity that God doesn't ask you to change because it's an accidental, amoral quality. Homosexual desires may be a part of your identity, just like heterosexual desires are part of 99% of heterosexual male identity. However, what we do with our desires is the issue. Lustful desires, outside of the bonds of marriage (see Gen. 2:24 for a definition of marriage), and especially physical sexual encounters outside of marriage, are something we are expected to deny. Jesus said, "if your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out!" This is a clear statement prohibiting sexual immorality, regardless of our identity as heterosexual or homosexual. In fact, Brandan, this is a clear example of Jesus commanding us to "deny our identity," when that identity is sinful.
Perfect explanation!! It definitely doesn't make it right for a straight guy to sleep around with women. It is as much wrong to sleep around with same sex. But the only difference is one cannot "marry" the same sex and be faithful to that person and be justified just because they stayed faithful.
Wow denial or what he 'll face the Lord Jesus one day let him argue his way out of his sin and face kingdom authority I hope he finds the truth Amen.
How can a man lie down with a man like a woman. Since men don't have vaginas then how is that possible? If it is not possible the verse makes no sense.
Brandan is luke cold 🥶
Dr. Michael Brown did a beautiful job of using the Word of God to prove that homosexuality is a sin that comdemns these sinners.
When Paul ( mentioning homosexuality) says that it's wrong in the eyes of God he says clearly that in the beginning God's intention when he created man was for him to have a female companion and that anything else besides that it would be a pervertion of God's design.
In the beginning God created man and woman because he had a plan for them and Paul clearly stated that plan.Christ then said "Man will then find a suitable female and leave his father and mother to form a family of his own", that's God's way but this perverted young man wants to change God's ways and original plan to suit his own ways which are motivated by his own feelings and carnal desires!.
The act of homosexuality in itself is pervertion and sinful independently on the context which is performed, if this lost gay pastor can not see the difference it is because he is not allowing the word of God to speak😢😢😢
*perversion
Dr Brown is an inspiration. I love his gracious heart and gentle, but firm, approach.
I also appreciate Brandon’s good nature and openness to discussion.
Brandon’s opening statement: Jesus is pro-people, therefore pro-everything 😂
Well folks, no matter how hard it is to except and/or explain accordingly to the unadulterated word of God it's wrong and He sent is son Jesus to die us all, no matter what we all need a Saviour am I'm thankful for that in struggling with homosexuality. So, I've to believe God until I'm completely delivered and set free. Thank God I didn't or don't believe that lifestyle is right now matter even through birth❤
We need that clock in every debate !!
The apostle Paul writes, my preaching and teaching were not with enticing words, but a demonstration of the Spirit’s power. Words are not enough! Lord we need your power. We need you!
This was a much better debate, as opposed to his debate v James White and Jeff Durbin. Michael Brown allowed space for both positions to be stated clearly and thank God he did! When Brandon's position is stated clearly you can see how frail it is. It is not based on Scripture. He appeals to those with itching ears and man is he a dangerous person to bear the title of Christian. Is he saved? God knows. But he is certainly indulging his sinful passions and claiming that to be a good thing, so I have significant doubts. Praise the Lord for Michael Brown and may God have mercy on Brandon and lead him to the true knowledge regarding his sin.
Very good
One thing this video has reminded me of… the apostle Paul writes, my teaching and preaching were not with enticing words but a demonstration of the Spirit’s power. Words are not enough. Time to seek the Lord more…
Jesus did mention sexual immorality in Mark 7:20-23. Then the question becomes are homosexual acts considered sexual immorality in Jewish tradition? The answer is 100% yes. It is very clear that the only moral choice in christianity is to marry one person of the opposite sex or remain celibate.
At the same time I also want to say do not hate LGBT people, Jesus still loves them despite their sinful lifestyle and so should we.
💯on 🎯. We love & care for them enough to tell the truth & not affirm their sin.
We can call it remaining chaste instead of celibate also.
Why give this man a platform!
Im glad he does. Its a good way to expose the deception. Now if he gave him the platform fully to spit his agenda, i would disagree with. But this is healthy. This is exposing false doctrine and hopefully planting seeds and fertilizing them into Brandon. I'll pray for Brandon daily now that i know of him. I feel much pity for him and do not wish to see him perish. I can tell he loves God, but he loves his sin more unfortunately and wants to be accepted by the worlds ways more than Gods ways.
Well, Brandon‘s already mistaken already he said Jesus never denied anyone following him that wanted to follow him and that’s a lie right there. There was a guy that came up to him said I’ll follow you wherever you go and he said foxes have holes birds have nest, but the sun man has nowhere to lay his head. He walked away and the demon possessed manafter Jesus cast out the demon he wanted to follow him and he said no go back and tell everybody what God has done for you. He did that with the blind man too. That wanted to follow him so Brandon is already starting off on the wrong foot.
DEAR MICHAEL, HELLO BROTHER! GREAT DEBATE! MICHAEL, I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE WHO GOT SAVED, AND THEN WENT THROUGH DELIEVERANCE FROM THE GAY SPIRIT AND IT WAS CLEARLY A STRONG SPIRIT AS I SAW IT BATTLING VERY HARD TO STAY IN THE MAN THAT WAS BEING DELIEVERED. IT IS CLEAR TO ME THAT GOD MADE MALE AND FEMALE TO BE TO GATHER AND ANYTHING OTHER WISE IS NOT HIS DESIGN OR WILL. I DO BELEIVE THAT GOD LOVES THOSE THAT ARE TRYING TO GAY, BUT I ALSO BELIEVE THAT GOD LOVES THE PERSON, BUT HATES THE SIN.
This phrase people always say “God loves the sinner but hates the sin” is unbiblical. The Bible says “God hates all workers of iniquity” the person, not just the sin. And the deceitful are “abhorrent to Him”. (Psalm 5:5-6). In other words this gay person that twists the Scripture in order to suit his sin, it is deceit and abhorrent to God. He is a worker of iniquity, hated by God, until he repents. If you don’t believe me, you will see just how much God hates people and how abhorrent they are to Him, that He will be able to put them in a fire that burns forever on Judgement Day.
you don't argue with the diablo, you cast it out
listening to brendon makes me sick
Oh Brandon you have lost this debate
Is eternal life eternal?
Does God transformed the heart?
Do those in the vine produce fruit?
Does God prune those in the vine?
Are we regarded as sons for correction?
Can the redeemed, from the heart, curse Jesus?
Does God cause us to walk in his rules and statutes?
By Faith do we have peace with God in Christ?
Is god so weak that the will in men is able to overcome him? Or is god so powerful that he is able to keep you from stumbling?
Is our perceived “will” bestowed supernatural power to resist God? And if so, where did this power come from in the new covenant?
Does God Bring the redeemed to completion?
Can anyone come to Jesus outside of the biblically explicit draw of God?
Does Christ lose any that God gives him?
What is eternal life according to scripture?
What is God’s truth according to Jesus?
The real question is Brandon if Homosexuality is against God's will will you abstain from those kind of relationships?
I think that’s a great question that I don’t think I’ve heard asked when this topic has been discussed.
He doesn't think it is against God's will. But why not just worry about yourself? Do you masterbate, have sexual thoughts outside marriage, get angry, get prideful? Why are you concerned about what this guy does in his bedroom probably one percent of his life? He is not a fundamentalist literalist, are you?
8:12 - well, where are they? Can we talk to them directly?
Milo Yiannopoulos, just to name someone in the public sphere
@@Mathiasda Probably the worst example you could have come up with. Milo follows the money. As long as there’s a business niche for a ‘reformed’ gay, he will happily be the product. Rules of capitalism. He has been bankrupt for many years now. He never stated (to my knowledge) he’s no longer gay (let alone letting himself be tested with a penile plethysmograph). And as far as I know he’s still married to his husband??
@@chibaz8882
I have no reason to believe that he is being insincere about this. And I have looked into it quite a lot. There are some (but not many) video interviews of him from the recent years where he talks about it. He seems truly repentant. But the written interview he did with LIFESITE three years ago is a good place to start if you want to know more. It is titled "Activist Milo Yiannopoulos is now ‘Ex-Gay,’ consecrating his life to St. Joseph".
How can anyone believe that God would affirm homosexual actions? Are such actions good? Are they beautiful? How are they important? What purpose do they serve?
Same sex marriage was a debate/conversation in the 1st century?
Lol..
I mean, it was.
@@revbrandanrobertson it was and always has been a sin in the eyes of the Lord. Stop trying to manipulate scripture to justify your lies.
What about 1Corinthians 6-9.
Good debate, I would use Romans 16:17-18 for Brandon… going to be praying for him
Jesus the same yesterday today forever the same if it detestable to God and Jesus is God. Your answer is there.
Any relationship can become an idol. If God said I don't want you to be with this person FULL STOP, we have obey.
Holding on to any relationship IF your love for it is above the love of the LORD there is a problem
Why try to turn pizza hut into macdonald's
Pls if you want to live your live anyhow then do that
You are not following Christ you are following your flesh
You can't do what you want and follow Christ
You have to repent, pride is my will be done not God's.
Typical Brandan...He states his false premise on the Bible...has it obliterated by people who actually know the Bible and then he just keeps re-stating the premise exactly the same way as if this time it will make sense. I've seen him do this with multiple different Christian apologists. He thinks his charm and confident demeanor will cover up the fact that his arguments just don't hold water. But unfortunately, he tells a lot of people exactly what they want to hear so no matter how much he gets hung out to dry in these debates, he just keeps saying it over and over. Even if the building were to be struck by LIGHTNING when he was mid sentence...He still won't take the hint and repent. I'll continue to pray for his soul. ps...He claims that nowhere does the Bible tell him to deny who he is. Matt 16:24 Then Jesus told His disciples, “If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me".
Gross. The depth a person goes to justify homosexual lifestyle is disgusting.
Brandon, would you condone sex between two same sex people outside of marriage?
Brandon is an antagonist of the faith…. He has made the scriptures in his image, not according to the word of God. So yes he has made it into idolatry. I pray that he repents… if not he should be SHUT DOWN.. if he continues to purport this lie, many people will believe it. He WILL answer to GOD for himself… so sad!
This is the most ridiculous debate ever.
Why exactly? An exchange of 2 opposing views is needed and completely biblical. "We demolish arguments and every pretense that sets itself up against the knowledge of God." 2Cor 10:5. If the apostle Paul did it, we should.
I know, Brown is off his rocker!
@@revbrandanrobertson I pray that Jesus deliver you from your reprobated mind
@@DG-mv6zwBecause it is not debatable. The Bible is quite clear that homosexuality is an abomination.
@@revbrandanrobertsonNope. Brown's arguments were Biblical and yours were based on your own personal experience and feelings. So you are basically a god unto yourself. I pray that you will one day have an experience with the Jesus of the Bible.
talk about an argument from silence! Brandan, you literally argued that Jesus never condemned homosexuality, therefore it's not sin. yikes, bro!
So your Lord and Savior is described in this one book, and in the WHOLE book never says homosexuality is a sin. Why leave that out? It doesn't mean its OK but it does help his argument, doesn't it?
@@joecheffo5942 Because homosexuality is included in sexual immorality which he did mention in Mark 7:21-23.
@@RickyVis So where does it end? They called it “missionary position” at one time. Certain sex positions are immoral to some people.
@@joecheffo5942 What was considered sexual immorallity by Jesus is everything that is considered sexual immorallity in the Torah and Judaism.
Christianity is very clear on the subject your choice is to marry one person of the opposite sex or remain celibate.
@@RickyVis But what is sodomy back then? Today it is defined as “sexual intercourse involving anal or oral copulation.” Was it the same back then? Because they list sodomy and homosexuality separately. So what is sodomy in the OT, the same?
Almost every video I've seen this dude talking, he's always reading Satan's script
Brandon has no standing
Brandon is exhibit A for term called sophistry. The end.
This guy brandn removes the very authority of christ. If you look at what paul says in 1cor6 paul talks about Christ being the gead and we being part of his body.
He also asks are we to use the body of chriat to merge with a prostitute?
Then in vs 19,20 he says tgat our body is the the temple of the holyspirit (spirit of holiness ,holiness being seperate from the world).
And we are not iurs but we are bought with a price and belong to God therefore both our body and spirit are God's.
Now going with that analogy christ is the head of the church and he determines what happens with the body.
He has already stated that the only form of marriage or relationship is the one stated as man and woman being one flesh. If you are truly a follower of Jesu you will take his words as truth and authority not what you "think" or" perceive"
Christ has not become your lord so you are still living by yoir standards brandan. Whe christ becomes tour lord you will do and see things from his perspective.
According to paul i we are going by his analogy thesame way he condemns relations with prostitutes as using christs body to engage in things that don't glorify God is thesame way you are using your bOdy which is God's to engage in homosexuality which is actually despising the head.
Also,Mat4:4 says man shall not live by bread aline but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. Meaning the way you order your kife is not by your appetites(whichwas fundamentally what the devil was tempting Jesus on) but on what God says is right...not what you feel or think is right brandon. Everything you are doin negates the authority of the Jesu you claim to follow.
He may be your saviour but he is not yet your lord because if he was Leviticus 18 would also apply to you,.. i mean this God himself talking. And remember brandan all scipture is given to us for teaching,reproof,correction that you may stand perfect..
It says all brandan not the ones you agree with or you feel fit your narrative.
The fact the were written by God the holyspirit through men Should make i your standard.
We all struggle with lust of different kind our ability to acknowledge and go before the throne of grace to reçeive mercy and grace to overcome is what makes us fOLLowers of christ.
I am inclined to women,i am sexually active(meaning i get turned on too by themand want to have relationship with them) but letting that control me and start sleeping with anything under he skirt and saying "this is just who i am" is wrong...if i am under the jurisdiction of the christ "i cant be christian and a womanizer/fornicator just like you can't be christian and gay. That is out of Gods order
Also idolatry does not just endin worship of hand made gods it is also worship or giving your attention and your all to something or someone that is not God. Tgat is why scripture Says we should worshio him with all our strength mind and heart because he is aware we could do thesame thing to other things that are not God.
Even yourself
Self worship is idolatry
Sex worship is idolatry
Self Pleasure(masturbation,porn, fornication, homosexuality etc) seeking is idolatry.
Idols are not only of the hands they are also of the heart and that one is the most dangerous
Much love❤
Lord God stir Brandan, take the scales let Him see Your heart, Your truth humble him that he may come to admit & repent so You can transform him
I wish it was ok to to be gay but it's does say it's a sin n old n new testament. Goes against God plan to multiple. I pray for all day n Trans to chose Jesus n ther flesh
Thanks!
Dr. Brown argues in the same way that the slave owners argued that slavery is acceptable to God. He holds his Bible as the Southern Baptist did in the South and says, "the Bible says slave serve your masters." The abolitionist held their Bible and said there is only one law and that is the Law of Love. Just read Charles Finney's theology book and you will see that Brandon is reasoning as Charles Finney. Their are several facts that were not brought up in the arguments. First, the list of sins that are a abomination include having sex with a women during her period. I have never seen a video or anyone who supports this verse. Maybe it was just a matter of cleanliness. The Mosaic Law does not say not to have sex with men. It says don't have sex with men as you have sex with women. Maybe that was because it was considered dirty. Also Paul gives the reason for people doing homosexual acts. God gave them over to homosexuality because they worshiped idols. That supports Brandon's position directly. Why would God give Brandon up to homosexuality if he was raised a Christian and serves as a pastor. On the other hand you could say the Dr. Brown would just apply Romans 9 to Brandon and say that God made all homosexuals to be vessels of destruction In order for him to show his power. This idea was supported by the Slave owners that their are people that God curses and hates and we do not need to apply the "love thy neighbor as thyself" to them.
And finally Jesus says watch out for false prophets... by their fruit you will know them. It was denominations like the Congregationalist(UCC) that freed the slaves, it was the congregationalist(UCC) that led to women having a voice in churches and out society, It was congregational churches that led the civil right movement. And it was the congregationalist(UCC) that had the first gay ordained minister in their church. The Dr. Brown would still have slaves if it was not illegal because he follows his Bible as the Word of God instead of believing that Jesus is the Word of God.
I’ve been waiting for this comment!!! The most balanced and sensible and level headed response I’ve seen in all these comments. People truly don’t know the Bible (context of times written in etc) they see it as inerrant instead of spiritual text written by flawed men. And THEN they have the nerve to wield it as weapon to justify their own biases and prejudices. It’s easier for them to cling to what they think they know “to be right” then it is for them to “examine themselves” as the Bible says and consider the notion that they may have it wrong. Sad
Brandan you completely twist what the scriptures say and mislead people into thinking worldly sins are acceptable in God's kingdom. I pray whatever demon is possessing you and spreading your absolute lies leaves you and you find what it means to be a follower of Christ.
So Dr. Brown said in a debate a long time ago with Bart Ehrman that he drives an old buick, basically lives very bare bones, has one jacket, etc. Goes to India to volunteer, etc. I believe he does some of that, but if you are going to brag, then be consistent. This is a beatuiful studio he has (he looks very healthy I think he is in his 80's) seems relaxed and carefree. But certainly his studio is a lot fancier than others. One minute I think he is sincere another minute he seems like a used car salesman. He is so much smarter than the average person, who knows what to believe. That's why I picked up on this. Is this studio consistent with his professed image?
He wants this guy to turn from his sins but is he following Jesus and giving all his money away?
Jesus never told us to give away all our money. He told that to one specific individual because of his love and trust in his money and possessions
@@sbaker8971 Sure
@joecheffo5942 then by all means, please show in Scripture where Jesus commanded us to give all our possessions away. I'll wait
@@sbaker8971 Matthew 19:21
@joecheffo5942 Who has Jesus speaking to? The context will show you the answer. Because it wasn't to the whole audience
Yes you can follow Christ - gay or not. If you truly accepted the Holy Spirit then let it guide you. Thats the only teacher.