I hate how much I love the CSL DD
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2024
- Damn! That's was my reaction when I heard about the Fanatec CSL DD. Holy **** is my reaction to using it.
Today's video is about the CSL DD and the new CSL pedals. Find out why they are good.
00:00 The fresh prince of simracing
00:17 intro
00:43 disclaimer
01:00 why direct drives?
02:07 specs, details and price
03:05 install
03:40 quick release
04:20 driving experience and performance
05:18 5Nm vs 8Nm
07:43 CSL Pedals
09:30 Why the CSL DD
10:16 conclusions
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Nice FRESH intro! 😎
What gloves Are you using for the sim?
I really enjoy it when you show me your DDs, Ricardo. Thank you for the great review and I'll see you on onlyrands.
Thank you for the review RC, Thinking of getting the CSL DD
Brilliant piece of tech received mine yesterday and holy shit what a difference from my good old G29 it is. It's literally like driving on actual tires in a real car. Fantastic.
Brilliant intro mate a real flash back 👍
Great Review! It's a very exciting time to be a Sim Racer!
As promised, i did leave a like if the review is good. It's a good video, not to short or to long and all you neeed to know is in it. Keep it up. Kind regards
Glad you enjoyed!
So I have given it some thoughts, let’s say that a PlayStation compatible version going to have the same spec’s. Is this “entry” level DD the perfect upgrade from a g29, T150, T300 ? And for the CSL elite more a replacement? I think Fanatec has made a great step in technology, the question will be, can the grow and handle the demand? I guess the biggest downside from Fanatec is that you can’t buy it in a store and have it within 24 hours delivered after a purchase.
Out of all the UA-camrs complaining about the T-nuts not staying still while mounting.... You are the only one that has "shown" how to do it.. and I don't have to yell at the screen.
to be fair, I was that guy as well :D
Haha I tracked back and paused the image when I saw that. So obvious yet so elusive I would have done it wrong as well.
I’ve never been to your channel but I never pressed like on an video so fast. Fresh prince Intro was top class 👌🏾
Pre ordered mine so glad it turned out good ....hopefully some longer term use reviews will be good news
I’ve had my CSL DD for three days now. Loving it since I haven’t been able to sim drive on Xbox 1 in over a year after my CSL elite wheel broke.
How did it break? I just ordered one on sale lol
As a casual sim racer I am not sure I would have ever spent over $1000 U.S.. for a DD wheelbase but already being in the Fanatec Ecosystem with a CSL wheelbase the 8nm CSL DD for under $500 total upgrade cost to enter the DD arena was too good a deal to pass up.
Those already in the Fanatec eco system with previous non DD wheelbases will really be the ones that get a fantastic upgrade for minimal additional outlay.
I think Fanatec made a smart move producing a DD wheelbase priced more for the average gamer and at a price point that the masses will find it an affordable quality option.
Being in the wave 1 preorder have already been notified my order has been moved to in warehouse processing so should be here soon.
Same here. Already in the eco system. CSL DD was a no-brainer (once I saved up) :)
This is a random comment to assist with RPM and CPM. Now that's out of the way, I enjoyed this video review, and I especially enjoyed the dream theater t-shirt :)
Digging the shoes🤘🏻Great content🏁THX
I'm only a few seconds into the video but had to pause, like and subscribe just because of that disclaimer about the referral links ("take everything I say with a grain of salt"). Now that's an honest broker if I ever saw one. Just for that if I end up buying it I'll make sure to do so through your link.
Excellent video, thank you 😊 🙏
Superb intro!
That beginning....classic!!!!!!
Awesome shirt dude!
Dat intro.. INSPIRED LOL!
So a dd1 run at 40% gain which equals to 8nm peak works exactly the same way a csl dd does? If that is the case I might go for the csl dd. Since most people would run it around 50% anyway
You get a like for the fresh prince mash up 😂!
The issue I have is the cost of the power brick, I cancelled my order as I expect such device to be £49 at most. I currently have the CSW V2.5 and I don't think it's much of an upgrade. I will wait for the CSW DD.
I honestly think it's fair, because I have the assumption, that the standard DD is a loss leader, meant to pull more people in the Fanatec ecosystem, so you actally get a really good bang for your buck and after that, they recoup some losses with the boost kit, which is still really good from a price to performance ratio. The thing that is offputting is just how obvious it is, that a simple power block shouldn't cost 150$.
Love the Dream Theater T-shirt! Been a fan for many years!
Nice review! By the way.....Images and Words is their best album.
Scenes from a memory for me
Nice review Ricardo.
How does de CSL DD compare (with the high-power brick) to say, the wheel you used before?
I say that in the video. 4:30 forward
I see one central problem ...
I own a Simucube 2 Pro for about a year now. During that year of use I found my sweet spot of force/torque, feeling great and realistic, also approved by a semi-professional driver: 12 Nm plus a little extra for covering peak forces, resulting in about 15 Nm overall. That's the torque setting creating that "direct drive smile" every time I use the hardware. So that's my lower limit.
But 5 or 8 Nm of the Fanatec CSL DD don't even come close to this point.
So there might be some precision - but there won't be that "direct drive smile".
I run mine at max (25nm) and then adjust the gain/force in game, what's the difference between that and running 12nm all the time?
@@XavierGoncalves89 -As far as I understood/experienced: Difference is that if you set a maximum overall force in the True Drive software, there won't be any stronger forces breaking through in any case. I use lower overall settings if other persons - like my nephews - are playing and I don't want them to get hurt. Setting 25 Nm in True Drive removes that upper limit, so it all depends on the software settings, of which you often don't know too exactly what they do. So there might be sudden stronger forces in extreme situations, like crashes.
On the other hand, limiting the forces via True Drive may lead to stronger forces in the game getting capped, e. g. if multiple forces happen at once, adding to each other - like steering, mass effects and track ripple. That's causing that Simucube beep, telling you "Hey! Game told me to render forces exceeding the set limits, which I don't do while capped to 12 Nm!" - Which wouldn't happen if you didn't lower the limit in True Drive.
So it both has pros and cons, like usual. ;)
If you like to have that "safety limit" preventing unexpected forces, you can set the limit in True Drive - which I prefer because I've got some quite delicate wrists and had previous thumb injuries.
But there's also just nothing wrong with using the SC2 at max force settings in TD and adjusting the game settings. In fact, that's what most "professional" gamers seem to prefer. :)
They have to leave a reason to buy higher end gear.
Can you make a video on a CSL DD setup.. around 1000 dollars for everything excluding the system!
Now that’s how you do a review thanks
Intro…legendary
Ngl, happy to see Sepang featured in the video.
If using a 350mm momo wheel on 8nm will the ffb be too low. Should you look at higher nm direct drive bases for larger wheels?
Could you please share your settings for ACC? that would be great
I wonder if I can get one of these... I like my Thrustmaster but lots of people have Fanatec gear...
Hey just noticed we have the same rig simetek k2r love mine now just waiting for the dd base,what size screws are needed to bolt onto the wheel deck I'd like to get all the bits I'm going to need now so it's all sorted before it arrives,thanks
If its not in the box, you need m6 bolts. Lenght depends on the mountingplate. Guess thats around 5 - 8mm thick. So m6 at 25mm Lenght. (Im guessing from what i have on mine dd1 and what fanatec say on the csl dd product side)
is it a must to buy the boost kit?
I prety much only drift on ac
Damn i was planning on using the old P1 wheel with the CSL DD. You wouldn't recommend it?
you can use it
Bonus points for your Dream Theater T-Shirt
is attaching a podium wheel a good idea or will it damage it
That intro 😂👍
nice t-shirt of my favourite Band
I am looking for wheel + base for Xbox series and ps5 help people does this one work and recommendation please
If i was to use this desk would i be better getting the 5nm version compared to the 8
Depends on the heft of your desk, I've use a csw v2.5 on a desk for 3 years without a problem
Yeah id say go with 5nm on a desk. U can always by the power pack whenever u want
You’d be nuts to attach this to a desk!!
Finally reviewer mounted it in proper order
Simple question: Is the "aged" 918 RSR steering wheel a good choice to have with the CSL DD (8nm Boost Kit... of course)? Lighter than the BMW M3 GT2 this sounds a pretty top choice (the 911GT3 a bit too expensive when purchasing all products together - at one moment have to say stop). I already have the V3 pedals with a T300 and Aiologs sequential shifter and handbrake (excellent products by the way, built like a tank). Following the launch of CSL DD, I decided to migrate to full Fanatec eco-system including the SQ V1.5 to have a full manual shifter. As I don't want one of these flat F1 steering wheel (I love classic cars which have real circular wheel - you know like the first guy who invented the wheel approx 5500 years ago. Like him I'm still at this prehistoric age even with my real car...) hence my choice for the 918 RSR after beeing tempted by the cheaper BMW GT2. Any advice or comment welcome.
I love my GT2. For all things DR2.0 as well as Normal or High performance Street cars. Nice Alcantera and a good size. Is a bit Beefy. But I am 6’5 250 so it feels Solid in my hands!! Not like a toy! Hope it helps I Recommend it!!
@@iamzuesthisisthetruth8864 Too late :) I bought the 918 last year and no regret. It is a very nice wheel even if maybe slightly too expensive for its age. Perfect for my needs and I still don't want one of these F1 rectangular shape wheel having just 2 side handles. Grrrrr.... Maybe I'm old fashonned.
There is now a Fanatec black leather version, exactly same wheel as the 918 with magnetic shift paddles added (these are not on the 918), not the porsches logo on the wheel (except for the look and ego, is this really vital) and at 100 quids less than the brown leather 918 RSR. Highly advisable
@@mikedoutel3038 Cheers happy for you!!! GL in the future!! Wish u the best!!
I just bought the shoes he was wearing on ebay (for my sim rig).
Sport 0 or sport-x
6:34 I couldn't be happier.
Your voice says you could
My voice is always sad :(
Would this work with Drivehub to connect to PS4? any chance you could test it if you have a drivehub!? I know a PS version is in the works but I don't want to wait.. I need my CSL DD now lol
already planned
@@randomcallsign Oh great!
If the desk is solid the boost kit is ok i run the same set up.
Does anyone know if Fanatec will go the servo motor route for the next DD that replaces DD1/2?
I don't think the dd1/2 are getting replaced anytime soon
@@DJDiarrhea I predict within 1.5 years they'll have a replacement on its way. Outrunner motors just dont work as well, & this CSL DD has proved it to them.
What peoppe need to think about is this is a servo motor there will be more drivers out later and if it's this good at launch then I can't imagine later wkth new drivers think about how different the dd1 and dd2 are now from launch the same will be said about the csl dd mabye even more surprising later
The new csl DD is really impressive. I do think it feels at least as good as my DD1. It also has more power than I need. I was happy with the DD1 for 2 years now.
Both of my fanatec bases have very little flex in the QR. I did add a Z ring but only to make wheels easier to remove. The ring did take the minor flex out of the QR tho.
I'd say the new DD has enough power for most people. I'm running about 50-60% on the base in and around 6-7 in iracing and it's more powerful than the csw v2.5 that is no slouch. The boost pack is a must tho. Another thing, I've seen people are making their own boost pack for $20-60 or so. I've seen 1 that was higher quality than the fanatec boost pack and it's simple to do, saved him $100
Hey, do you know where he got that boost pack from?
How was the csl dd with 8nm on the table clamp?
not good. my desk isnt built for that :(
Hi,CSL V3 pedals can be connected to dd? Can i play Gt Legends with this wheel?Thanks in advance!!!
Yes, and I don't know if you can play gt legends with this wheel.
@@randomcallsign Thank you very much BMP for the quick response!!!👍🏻😎
I will order a CSL DD with a McLaren wheel. No fanatec pedals in future cause my Thrustmaster T-LCM will suit fine with that loadcell.
Please can you elaborate further on why your gut tells you there may be problems with overheating of the CSL DD when using the 8Nm pack at high torque settings?
There's not a big sample of users yet.
Sweet. So even the 5nm should be 10 fold on the shitty theustmaster tmx that I gotta help make it spin when I'm drifting lol it seriously puts me off cuz I can't catch the drift so to say cuz I gotta put the wheel in the position I need
Why don’t people compare these to the TS300 as well as the DD line? That’s right where it come in the market but everyone skips it and compares it to the G923
Where can i get shoes like that or slips idk what they are, but i need
amazon
Would it be possible to test this out with foldable cockpits like the playseat challenge or next level fgt lite? Both 5Nm and 8Nm
no. I dont have those rigs
I just upgraded my rig because I preordered one of the CSL DDs. I went from a playseat challenge to a FGT
@@elProvos oh you dont think play seat challenge is good enough ?
@@mohammedfahim9918 I saw some stability mods but I wanted to have a full experience. So it made sense to me to upgrade to something stiffer. I have the V3 Pedals already but the DD would have been abit much for the playseat challenge I suspect
@@elProvos yeah I understand. ill probably go down the same route.
Fanatec directly ship to like only 5 countries outside of the EU zone, which makes their products kinda redundant for a majority of gamers. No, resellers with jacked up prices don't count.
This
Some prices (for products) are just not possible with re-sellers in place. That needs a well weighed margin on top.
Hmmm yea I want to see how much I can grab for mine and maybe buy another one plus a wheel. Good idea 😂
I want to mount fans on the CSL DD to prevent myself from overheating while sim racing
Man why can't we get hotas like this. We need a ti fighter hotas
holy shit so direct drive wheels are accessible for people like me now... and its possible to get a budget gt DIRECT DRIVE sim rig for 659 euros... without the clutch and h shifter and so on of course. thats goddamn incredible
Yeah and there are good shifters in the $100 range. I'd wait for the load cell brake for the new pedals, hopefully it arrives soon. It should.
Good thing they made it cheaper however they made all the other items allot more expensive.
I like DDs!
Hi, thanks for your review. Do you know why the load cell pedal is not available?
hi. no idea
Great review but its still not a good price point for someone just starting in sim racing. Full setup costs well over £1000.
Fair enough
Good review, but 100+ bucks for the same power brick as you had with the old CSL or CSW wheel bases, but with a different connector is not worth it by a long shot :D
Someone smart will come up with an aftermarket one for 30 bucks hopefully.
fanatec csl dd base is not available for sale until july. so sad
I know and agree
It is awesome you can apply a 200Watt powersupplie and get 10nm of torque
Overamping the wheelbase likely wont work. It's either gonna have limitation of how many amps it can pull, or it's gonna fry something.
@@randomcallsign Yeah but with the 180W powersupply you will get 8nm of tourque.So i just think it is just a matter of time till someone will do a modd XD
If it would do 10nm i would instandly buy one.
What type of shoes are thoses does anyone know
Water shoes
So a year later, thoughts?
As a person that was sceptical towards fanatec offerings, it seems with those two they're really trying to make a noticeable change and a trend in the simracing market. Those look really good, so I'm curious to see how will the prices and reliability be like next year or even later.
Cool, so how do I get it?
Sell urslelf
November is not that far, I keep telling myself.
1:57 "Briefly touching the pedals..." GOT IT?
Dream theater!
Already have a DD1, but kept watching because of the Dream Theater shirt...
+1 just for Dream Theater.
So how come they can chip the steering wheels for the xbox which means you can use a pc board , but they cant do it for the playstation, which would make it easier to get the boards , seems bonkers to me. I just think the conpany are being crafty to make you spend more money.
Because Sony demands money for unit shipped and Microsoft doesn't
On my country (Brasil) this is more expansive than my car
I’d love to see a blind review of the CSL DD vs the more expensive fanatec units. I bet it’s hard to tell the difference.
7:55 not the product hopefully... but the pedal system moved bud.. maybe tighten down some bolts and hope it doesn't do it again?
for us 2.5 guys is it worth it ????? thanks :)
Nope
@@randomcallsign thanks :)
I dont understand why if they can chip the steering wheel for xbox they dont do it for the playstation , it would be easier then to get the boards , seems bonkers to me.
Sabes quando é que sai a versão para PS e PC CSL DD?
não. talvez no final do ano
@@randomcallsign Obrigado. Tenho outra duvida, será que me sabes dizer se esse volante dá no Wheel stand pro V2 versão thrustmaster t300, ou seja, a furação?
não faço ideia
I'm so glad I managed to sell my CSL Elite wheel + wheelbase + pedals just before this bad boy came out
180kit worth it?
Check the video
When my CSW V2.5 dies, this will be my next wheel. But for now I'm good
Or it will live with somebody else for years to come :-P
@@DickVanPaiton not really because most people will want to get half their money back and even $500 is too much for it now. It happens to all of us with products at some point
the A/V is out of sync and in the shots where you in front of a camera there is quite a lot of banding, check your shutter speed.
Dream Theater! Hell yeah!
I watched second time only for the eyes.
:eyes:
somehow your video and audio is out of sync when you talk. Great review tho!
thanks for being a sub for 4 years
@@randomcallsign its been 4 years already? wow! keep it up :)
They could at least include a rim with the base....
At this price point, on top? This is quite something you ask for comparing to alternative solutions.
@@DickVanPaiton Why not, not like a rim is an expensive thing to produce. 100% the margins are pretty good on CSL DD, and on rims it is probably extreme. As it is now the csl is not a complete product, and if they simply added a Rim they would for sure sell even higher volumes.
@@Pillokun Including a rim will increase the price and you may not like the rim so you may have to buy another one thus spend more money.
@@Pillokun CSL DD has pretty much no margin at all I am very sure. Only the Bundle with the Boost Kit might have an acceptable margin but the regular 5Nm version for sure is way underpriced to be competetive with almost no margin.
Would make zero Sense to include a Wheel (which at least costs 100€) on top, that would only raise the price (as it's impossible to sell the Base WITH a Wheel for 350 if that's what you are looking for)
Say it with me..... Fan-Ah-Tech
It's actually a permanteau between fanatic and technology.
I don't think this is affordable when you have to buy all the parts together buy this separate it's far from being affordable it's a trick to make you buy their products not great. Why don't they do a whole package where everything's and then let's see if it's affordable pedals steering wheel unit manual gearbox and it's not suitable to be mounted on a desk how can you say this is affordable ?
Because the other option is to pay extra 1000, while this is at the price of the other csl. I don't understand why this wheel is getting that criticism when it's cheaper than the csl elite and csw and the other wheels didn't.
@@randomcallsign Looking on there slow ass website there is no other csl or csw wheel bases to buy now and only there OP DD. Yes ok its "cheap" to get a wheel base but the extras are a complete rip off and is no a viable option at all for a normal working class person this is only for Elite rich ppl and streamers its that simple.
Well that's because the csl dd substituted the csl at the same price and the csw at lower price.
That quality is INSANE
Thank you :D
So basically not PS compatable?....
there will be a PS compatible version in the future