Fanatec CSL DD vs DD1 side by side review - which is BETTER FOR YOU?
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- Today I'll be putting the Fanatec CSL DD and the DD1 side to side. After a lot of back and forth and testing, these are my conclusions.
00:00 intro
01:01 disclaimer
01:17 specs/price/features
03:05 design
04:06 install
04:46 desk mounting
04:53 form factor and monitor placement
05:48 Quick release
06:46 driving experience
09:48 Conclusions
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Was looking for an answer to exactly this question. Of course my guy RC comes through! Thanks for the video, my friend
Excellent review Mr Callsign! Well explained and very informative. It's touch and go for me which I will end up going for. Having tried the DD2 and the CSL DD 8NM I could for sure feel a difference in detail and the smoothness of the wheel forces in the DD2. The price difference really does put the CSL DD right up there in my considerations.
@Spikeuk06, what did you eventually purchase, interest as I’m have to repurchase as clubsport just failed?
Quality video have take a huge improvement, hope to see more content like that
Thanks a lot for giving us ur review
Kudos for getting straight to the point then to the elaboration, and the transparency! Love it.
So good hearing this 😊
Thanks for the video; i decided to upgrade all the way to podium dd ps4. Coming from csl elite, it really is a difference. If i were going to upgrade to cslDD, i might be questioning a lot of ‘what if’. I’m also been using 60%ffb and 55%in game on acc
Spot on! Exactly how I, and my DD1 owning friend, feel about the CSL DD to DD1 comparison.
I own the Forza CSW v2.5 bundle, and "first wave" purchased the CSL DD, and new Formula v2.5 wheel. I also purchased a set of the new CSL pedals(waiting for LC). If my V3 pedals need service, I have a backup. And if my CSL DD needs service, I have the CSW as a backup.
Keep the great reviews coming, random.
Thanks for sharing!
You see a big difference on DD1 and the CSL DD ? i don't know if i need to buy the DD1 or the CSL DD.
Im liking the DD Pro after a few months of use. I upgraded from the CSL Elite which wasn't a bad wheel at all.
finally. the video I needed. thanks
Coming from my 12 year-old Fanatec CSR wheel (same as you used to have, RC), which I still love, the CSL DD is plenty for me. Can’t wait to receive it at the end of the month.
how is the experience so far ? i have thrustmaster 300 and i think direct drive would be really nice ...
@@AntonRacing I am really enjoying the CSL DD. It is not so much the force feedback, it is the centering effect that the direct drive brings ... if the rear of the car steps out, the wheel begins to correct by itself. Amazing! My previous Fanatec wheel (the CSR belt drive) is an amazing wheelbase and the feeling through the force feedback has always been excellent ... I like a softer FFB, so I run the CSL DD at 50 - 60% in game (I bought the 8NM). Looking back, I would not buy it for the FFB per se; but the feeling of what the car is doing is so well-defined, which allows me to be more consistent. I need this as I am an old dog ... I bought my first Logitech wheel in 1999 in the days before FFB existed :) . In short, I think the CSL DD is outstanding and it will most probably be the last wheel I will buy; but I will be hanging on to my CSR for the time-being as it is so robust.
@@edteach3r in my case i work physical hard and i cant work at home with heavy force feedback ..same for the weekends i m just curiouse about more details when driving ... . so i got you right ? : you sent your CSL dd back and you stay with your CSR for a while longer ?
@@AntonRacing hey bud, I have the csl dd. I used to own a g29 sold it 4 years ago. I've only tried ACC, which I didnt try on the g29. Erm I was under welmed by the lack of power. I've ordered the boost kit and would advise anyone thinking to upgrade to do the same. Sounds like I regret my purchase, not even slightly as the details are fantastic, theres a little notching, but over all the feel is sublime. I think with the 8nm itll elevate everything. Just using fanalabs settings atm, so it might be that but FFB is set to 100.
Yo music selection is a banger! Thanks for the video RC.
No problem 👍
great review random.
Great comparison!
just wanted to say, thanks for the honest disclaimer. i appreciate when youtubers dont treat me like an idiot. it is ironic that such disclaimers only make me trust you more because of the transparency that is being kept. great content regardless!
Doing the disclaimer I wish was more common
I don't know how you all drive with the virtual steering wheel on the screen.
Some Times the game doesn't allow you to drive without, like the first Ac , yes you can but you cannot change the height/ up down , nothing, I cannot play with that wrong dash view
2. F1 game, also you cannot hide the wheel
I don’t get how you don’t. Virtual wheel + no hands + neck fx is perfect for single monitor setups
Ik dude only ovals I can
@@bratosin1 You can hide the wheel in Assetto corsa.
Fr though, you gotta try VR!!
Me watching this after I got the CSL DD just to feel good about my choice 😌
Simagic Alpha Mini here, it's awesome.
wishing that fanatec release a bundle with the csl dd like what they did with the csl elite starter kit, with steering wheel and pedals
They have now, R2R bundles are just 400Euro
@@EvilijoUK Thanks for the info!
Csl Dd 8nm with csl elite pedals with load cell, and mclaren gt3 rim is my dream setup
Do yourself a favor, skip the elite pedals and just go ahead and get the v3 pedals and be done with it. V3 pedals are much nicer and worth the difference in price. Order the brake performance kit at the same time you order the v3 pedals also. Then you have what can be considered an end game set up for many racers.
for me the biggest factor that pushed me to the dd1 was wanting to properly simulate the higher forces you get in certain situations like high downforce cars, hard compressions like the one on nords, or high banks. with the csw2.5 i would have to compromise and just accept it was gonna clip at those times. it really adds a lot to "muh immersion"
Yeah dd1 is a beast man
Actually all modern race cars employ some type of power steering which takes away a lot of that effort to the drivers.
Take a minute to look around different race car paddocks and notice the physical build of the majority of the drivers. Not many drivers have the build of the rock or vin diesel to drive a car for at race pace for 3+ hours but most are more slim and wiry types of builds.
I really think most sim racers over estimate the amount of sheer force or resistance that a driver "fights" through the wheel racing an automobile.
@@billwiley7216 AKTUUALLY sim racing doesnt only feature modern race cars, does it?
@@billwiley7216 indycar has no power steering actually alot of race car series don't
@@billwiley7216 you ever see a indycar driver saw at the wheel??? i don't think u know what u are talking about.
Hi Callsig, great video. What monitor do you use for sim racing? Have you ever tried triple screen? Why single monitor?
Keep the good work, you have won a subscriber !
Olá,
Benq 3415r. I'm not going triples as I'm using a 1080ti. Wide screen already taxes my pc too much.
Yo! I use the same mechanix gloves, same camo and everything. I pre ordered my CSL DD, expected to ship November 29. Hopefully I get it before Christmas 🙏🏽
👊👊
mechanix GANG
Just ordered a DD1 Podium Bundle LETS GOOO!
Did you get it? Was it worth it?
@@SIPEROTH Lol i havent even plugged it in yet, might resell it.
Does the new dd pro’s wheel shake like that as the dd at 6:29 ?
im waiting on CSW DD
A $600-750 Clubsport DD that outputs ~15Nm of force would be the Goldilocks wheelbase
I couldn't wait and didn't want to gamble, so I went with the DD2. Now I finally have a base that is stronger than me. 😅
So I run it in a happy zone rather than it's maximum output, and the experience is drooling good. Now I just need either Podium pedals (if they make some) or Heusinkveld Ultimate+ pedals and I am golden. 🤤
You called it what the heck hahaha
@@user-ik5kv3fd8k Fanatec should pay me. I’ll take one Clubsport DD as compensation
maybe i will take the csl dd with the new QR ! because bying a DD1 or DD2 when you like driving on the track is like price of new suspension or prise of 1 big trackdays .. ! that was a great video btw ! thank you so much
6:46 is where the important stuff starts.
I understand that the DD1 is the better wheel, but I have also read reports that the CSL DD is smoother. (As I understand it, they use slightly different systems.) Also, I wouldn't buy a DD1 right now, because no doubt Fanatec will come out with a replacement using the CSL DD system. Probably the same, but bigger.
Dd1 replacement maybe to come but not now I think
DD1 or DD2 won't be replaced for awhile. The CSL DD system is just a more budget friendly version.
nah maybe not podium replacement.
Buy clubsport replacement at 12nm? in a year?
I saw this comment a year ago. Hoping for that new DD1 with the CSL DD motor tech in the coming months.… still nothing yet :(
@@user-wq9mw2xz3jyou were correct :-D
I want a DD Clupsport base maybe 15 NM
What about adding a wheel shaft extention?
@3:37 I actually love the design of CsL DD over the podium, even though the podium still looks good.
me too
What kind of gloves are you using? Can you put them in the description? :3
Great now I just need to wait until they are in stock
What I wanna know is the DD an upgrade over a Clubsport v2. I've been entertaining the idea of it the past few months.
Id say no, but some on racedepartment said it was worthwhile.
What is that screen you have on the base
Love the T.shirt
I really want a DD1/2 but i am so confused about the ecosystem ... I am not sure what to order ... I want the wheelbase with a round (rally/drifting) wheel and pedals + h-shifter ... What do i need to order? If i get a clubsport wheel do I need a podium hub to make it work?
What clubsport wheel
Fanatec only makes direct drives now man. And its not that hard man what do u need help with??
That rush shirt!!
i had a very bad experience in purchasing the CSL DD, can't imagine how bad the warranty will be, as well. i'll wait for TM's DD
I owned a g29, thought ill upgrade to a t300, everyone saying they die. So I ordered the pc tx or something for 950cad. The csl dd came out so I ordered that in Nov, everything came a few weeks back and is working fine. Super happy I bought it. Just out of interest what happened with yours, or was it a problem ordering?
They should have released the new QR before the CSL dd.
this would be great
what size is your monitor?
To put it in perspective if you a competitive racer that plays iRacing then DD1 or high-end DD is for you. But if you play BeamNG, American Truck sim, AC No Hesi, basically you're just a casual driver then CSL DD.
typical iracing kid saying every other sim is casual🤓
typical iracing kid saying every other sim is casual🤓
@@calebvenable3464 I play AC not iRacing tho.
Hi Random, where can I find the recommended settings on the Fanatec page?
Fanatec forum. forum.fanatec.com/categories/wheel-bases-%28and-racing-wheels%29
@@randomcallsign thanks
I have the logitech g29 and thinking about buying the CSL DD is that a good upgrade?
Massive upgrade.
How are heavier/larger rims responsiveness on the CSL DD with the boost pack?
I have a CSW v2.5(Forza Wheel/XboxHub), and I received my CSL DD with a Formula V2.5 wheel on Sept2-2021. The DD is quicker than the CSW with the same force, but higher fidelity feedback. The CSL DD FFB dampening between my Formula V2.5 wheel and the Forza wheel is slight, and the response is slower, due to the larger diameter rotational speed. The CSL DD upgrade from CSW v2.5 is only in the fidelity, and your ability to convey quicker response to loss of traction, as compared to the CSW. Even though the CSW vastly improved my spin recovery over my previous Logitec DFGT wheelbase, the CSL DD is still an improvement in spin recovery over the CSW. I'm happy. Foregoing the DD1 allowed me to purchase the new Formula V2.5, and still save $370.(actually only saved $350 since I purchased both 5nm and 8nm PSU's, as explained below)
Running too much FFB on my friends DD1 just slowed my lap times. He feels the same way, and dials it back to 10-14nm depending on sim. While I do miss a little more FFB force, in some cars, just not enough to pay an additional $720 for it. We both agree the CSL DD is slightly smoother, and just as quick, though.
My friend is also considering buying a CSL DD, as a backup, as he has had to send his DD1 back for service once.
Also take note: I spent an extra $20 to get the 5nm PSU, and then cut it's molex connector off. Then I made an adapter to connect the CSWv2.5 PSU to that 5nm PSU molex connector, and confirmed that the CSWv2.5 PSU 24v/7.5 amp(same Fanatec P/N on the brick as Boost kit but different connector) works to enable Boost mode, as shown on the Fanatec driver home screen.
In other words, find the proper molex PSU connector, and at least a 24v/7.5a PSU, and you can save on the $130 Boost Kit upgrade price.
@@anticommoncore4065 Hi, so the original CSW2.5 PSU has 2 wires, 1 is + and the other - right? And the Molex connector is supposed to have 2x + and 2x - according to my research. So did you just split each wire to obtain 2x + and 2x - for the molex?
@@tahirballikaya213 i tried the same but with a 4 pin CPU extention cable and the female connector. Cut the wires on the extention, put both + wires on + and both - on - and youre ready to got. Yes the old CSW/CSL 1.1 power supply has only 2 wires but the two wires are rated for 24V/7.5A so everything is fine. In the end i bought a cheap used 24V/7.5A power supply and soldert the CPU extention on it because i sell my CSL Elite 1.1. My CSL DD runs in this configuration since a week after i got it(i got my in end of august). So i run my over 10 weeks with the selfmade psu and never had any issues.
@@iPain3G thanks will do it
LOL if you can get one back orders 2 months or better. hoping to get it before Christmas ordered in August
the steering angle in-game in your ACC is different than what ur sim wheel does.
It happens when your max steering in game vs wheel options dont add up i usually have it at around 540degrees since that is what the cars I usually drive has.
is the dd coming out on ps5?
the reason the power pack is so expensive is to subsidise fanatec selling the 5nm version at a loss, the 8nm could be slightly cheaper by making the 5nm more expensive
I heard you can make your own 180Watt+ PSU, if like me, you think 150 is too much for a PSU..
How does the csl dd compare when you add some inertia and friction to its settings. I run a sim-ply.city sw 20 wheel and what I’ve found is that If I run it with lower inertia and friction and don’t need much power but if I turn up the inertia and friction I will use much more of it’s available power. Even though setting it up like this doesn’t translate into lap times it does give the base a more realistic and natural feel or at least I believe it does.
Where can I get those camo gloves.
amazon. they are mechanix fastfits
I went DD1 because I prefer higher ffb forces without clipping, this replaces the lateral g forces I would normally feel if I were driving in real life. In other words, I am not necessarily trying to replicate the actual forces one would feel while driving for example a gt3, but the higher forces allow me to better feel what is going on since I have no other senses to judge by, not including sight and sound of course. I would be interested to see if a csl DD with a motion rig could change all of that...
I'm using a bass shaker to replicate slip effect, road impacts etc. It doesnt really replace a motion rig but adds so much more immersion than a static lifeless rig. Im not sure if it makes you faster. I guess a real life driver should try it out to see if it feels natural to him
@@tahirballikaya213 what’s a bass shaker?
@@jim9223 Buttkicker gamer 2
What do you use as an e-brake?
Akina handbrake
I will buy a DD when Fanatic launches a PS5 compatible version
Buy the fanatec podium F1 than, do it
Didn't know they switched from producing SUPS 😂
What game had the AE86 from Initial D?
Assetto corsa
Can't believe you called it the G wheel. 😂😂 Wow
We use the same exact gloves hahahaha I got them for airsoft but use them for racing
Are you Portugese ?
Sim
can anyone tell the most important thing please . which will provide faster lap times?
The one you have at the moment
@@randomcallsign I don't have any at the moment.
DD1, easy pick. Because you can output 15Nm of torque in linear mode, which is much more intuitive than peak mode which compresses the whole data, but is pushing up the lower torque sections. With the CSL DD or GT DD Pro both 8Nm it’s in my opinion too weak for linear mode.
isnt this a dd2 with that carbon fibre stuff on it? the dd1 does not have this
No the Playstation compatible Podium DD1 has a blue carbon Fibre design
Yeah the dd2 has carbon fiber on it and has 25 nm of torq and a 5 yr warranty. DD1 has 20nm of force and 3 yr warranty.
4:39 what has to be bought seperatly? DEEZ NUTS
eh! GOTTEM
Easy, the cheaper one! 😂😂😂 Even the CSL DD is waaaay too expensive for me…
Bought the dd2 but Fanatec changed the item from being available Feb 8th to March 28th like 3 weeks after I placed my order.
And then they wouldn't let me change the item out.
So I just canceled my entire 4 thousand dollar order.
If a companies logistics and customer service are THIS bad before you even get the items in your hands, it's a sign of bad things to come.
I just ordered a DD1 today with no problems.
My guess is most will got for either depending on their budget.... I wouldn't go for a DD1 or 2 even if I had the money ..maybe if I had a bunch of Fanatec wheels yeh. I would be more inclined to go for a Simucube or Simagic.
When I tried Simucube 2 Pro side by side with DD2 I can tell that Simucube 2 is better hands down. I don't know how to describe the feeling, but the Simucube is snappier, so you can more easily catch slides. You just "feel" by how much you have to counter with Simucube, whereas with DD2 you have to get used to a feel it provides. Simucube also has less "friction" when you are rotating the wheel than DD2. I'm maybe using wrong words, but you have to try it, and you WILL feel the difference.
@@alpha007org its just Fanatec eco system is 100x better than anyone other eco system. There's no arguing that so id take that over the slightly smoother one.
@@alpha007org True. My friend has the simicube and i have the DD1 and his feels nicer to me, its definitely less frictiony and smoother. DD1 is a little notchy. Both still great though
@@bunchamp85 yeah man Fanatecs eco system is amazing that's a big selling point for me.
When you are in Fanatec ecosystem, it's hard to see what are you compromising. It's easy when they release a new wheel, you buy it and just slap onto your base. But if you look at a broader picture, you can buy a superb rim and your "dream" (cost/function wise) buttonbox, both from a different manufacturers, screw things together and it will cost you maybe a little more, but you'll have everything to your liking. That's why we love PC so much. Fanatec as a company have a brilliant marketing. Almost everyone I saw who bought something from them, they became "the best ecosystem". I don't know what mental tricks are in play here but you can see it even in numerous youtube videos. Example: Their pedals suck, they cost a lot, you have to buy "performance pack" (or whatever it's called) but people are still recommending them.
How can you even compare them when they have wildly different prices. One is obviously better. Buy the best you can afford/ willing to pay for.
Nice shirt.
Its like the Xbox Series X vs S...I prefer the S.
Csl dd out of stock until 2022, so...
That’s what I’m saying so dd1 here I come lol
12 hundred for a simple stepper motor, some metal and electronics for 20bucks, thats pricy
Where are you getting the price of $489 for a CSL DD? The base is $350, $150 more for the 'boost' power supply and/or at least $150 for a wheel if you buy a universal hub otherwise it is at least $200 for a wheel. Then add tax and shipping. I was going to order the base (no boost) with a universal hub which was $570 after tax and shipping.
Side note: You may want a better racing cockpit... when you put the wheel on, the whole thing moved quite a bit. Not good.
On the website. I'm comparing wheel bases.
tax and shipping is different for everyone thou
No one is right. Ripple and bad quick release. Or are there people who like this? But if you have a console, unfortunately there is nothing directly better. Just driving rally, logitec is a better choice with its DD 11nm
Neither
DD2, my choice. 5 years warranty, more torque ( and this is a great advantage because you can Just put DD2 at 40/50% torque, preventing overheating, and consequently making the product last much longer, with almost no chance of defects. CSL DD has to work at the limit, so it can give more problems.
If you're going to drive the csl dd at it's maximum torque setting then it's not a wheelbase you should consider buying. I don't run my old csl elite at max and I've had it since it's release with 0 issues. Granted I've never raced on a dd but the csl dd is for people who don't want to run high torque. Also there's issues with clipping at running any wheel base at it's maximum settings to consider.
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its just something about looking at videos about the stuff you cannot afford ever hahah
DD1 handsdown
Racing, with a mask on?
What about it?
idk about this new one, the CSL DD was playstation compatible for a not-terribly unreasonable price - now with the new version the price of entry for playstation folks has effectively doubled. funnily enough the $349 version is no longer on their website. nice marketing ploy, fanatec
I know which one is good for me: the one I can afford! ...which also means NONE 🤣🤣🤣
Don't know man, my wallet insist that the CSL DD will be better for me.
Simucube 2 Pro 4eva
Yep
Other not udder
Obrigado, para a próxima tento de uma maneira que te agrade
Wallet cries both ways
I won't buy anything from Fanatec until they sort out their bad logistics and availability
Lol, none of them. I don’t even have money for G923, let alone Fanatec products. 😂
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