Chainsaw Bar Maintenance & How To Replace The Sprocket

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  • @richardflagg3084
    @richardflagg3084 Рік тому +11

    Bars have gotten really expensive, like everything else. Thanks Garrett and Gordy for showing how to get the most out of a bar before you have to ditch it. It's also amazing how much better the saw cuts after a bar has been tuned up.

  • @Leave_Nothing_Stock
    @Leave_Nothing_Stock Рік тому +9

    Also, if you close your rails up too much find a quarter or a washer about the right thickness, tap it down into the bar rail and tap it down the length of the bar to spread it back out again.

  • @KevinTownsend-hw5ih
    @KevinTownsend-hw5ih Рік тому +11

    Hey Gordy, maybe you could manufacture a simple tool shaped like a credit card that is .064" on one side and .059" on the other and .051" on the end to cover every gauge bar. Make it from the same material as your raker gauge and you could just set it in the rail to set the bar squeezer or you could use it to open an area that is too tight by tapping it along an area that got squeezed too much.

    • @gotti5472
      @gotti5472 Рік тому +2

      That will be a nice tool I would buy

    • @joemyers4037
      @joemyers4037 5 місяців тому +1

      That’s a really good idea

    • @nate-408
      @nate-408 2 місяці тому

      That would be difficult as the material he cuts the gages out of (possibly spring steel?) is a uniform thickness. Unless he were to cut teeth at different widths but those would be quite weak being so small. I would take some material that is thicker and machine it to the desired thickness on the sides. Something like this would be feasible but a little more expensive. Some background, I am a journeyman toolmaker. I design and build plastic injection molds for the food and medical industries.

  • @ScottWConvid19
    @ScottWConvid19 Рік тому +23

    Best bar maintenance video I've ever seen, thanks. You don't make a ton of videos, but you make up for that with quality content

  • @MrHuntermikey
    @MrHuntermikey Рік тому +6

    Thanks Guys. Nobody ever covers bar maintenance. Good stuff

  • @brodyhunt6329
    @brodyhunt6329 Рік тому +5

    Great video. I learned a lot. I also file the new tip to make it flush with the bar if the bar is worn lower in the area where they meet.

  • @forgodssakehuskers6261
    @forgodssakehuskers6261 Рік тому +3

    Best saw channel out there, and I just learned how to save some money. I'm stupid bad with bars and chains. Need to change my ways, because it's impossible to get long light bars, within three months.

  • @marioep18
    @marioep18 Рік тому +5

    A lot of thanks for this kind of videos Gordy!!!

  • @wlogue
    @wlogue 2 місяці тому

    I just feed a woodstove with an MS362c. thanks for all you do bud!

  • @williamsolomon1307
    @williamsolomon1307 Рік тому +3

    Guys… best bar video ever! I learned some new stuff. I really appreciate you sharing. 🇺🇸

  • @stakkanovfriman2838
    @stakkanovfriman2838 3 місяці тому

    thank you. i am watching this video again now a year later because i remembered it when i needed it

  • @papaduck2443
    @papaduck2443 Рік тому +7

    Man Gordy, you make the best content! Ive always wanted to know how to this stuff and this video was awesome!! Keep up the great work brother and God bless!

  • @Leave_Nothing_Stock
    @Leave_Nothing_Stock Рік тому +2

    My buddy just bought an old barshop from a local shop that closed its doors recently. Awesome tool to have access to

  • @joeltexe
    @joeltexe Рік тому +4

    Great idea using a ski edge file to tune the bar edges

  • @nate-408
    @nate-408 2 місяці тому

    Metal in the guide bars become work hardened which will make it brittle. This will make it difficult to file. Once this happens I assume it can become dangerous to continue to use. Great info guys I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. I'm a journeyman toolmaker so I understand metallurgy but I come here to take advantage of your expertise and learn from your knowledge. Thanks for sharing.

  • @richardfrost7575
    @richardfrost7575 Рік тому +2

    Buckin has a bar squeezer that has an insert for the size of the channel, helps you with hopefully not squeezing together to far ( I think it had selectable width insert??? ) probably not made anymore. I will have to go back and find the episode and see. Great video fellas keep up the good work. Always something new to learn. 😊❤

  • @loghog4392
    @loghog4392 6 місяців тому

    Started cutting in 1976 and there's not much I haven't come across when it comes to saws but I just couldn't figure out why the chain was pinching on my 500 with your clutch cover on. I've spent hours trying to figure out what's going on to no avail. I gave up. Concave? Who woulda thunk? THANK YOU!!!
    I take my bar roll over off with a fine grit flapper wheel on a right angle grinder and square my rails up lightly with a Silvey bar rail grinder. I tighten the groove with a Silvey bar rail closer. Then I made a section of the appropriate chain (no cutters) 6 drivers long that I can run down the groove to make sure there aren't any "tight" spots. If all is good I run it over the bar rail grinder again.
    By the third "tune up" most bars are pretty well ready to become a custom knife. At least that's my experience.

  • @drewellinger1399
    @drewellinger1399 Рік тому +2

    Great video, I actually have a cheap little vise I use to squeeze my rails. I tapped a hole on the top if either side, and bolted a bearing on top of each side, so the normal movement of the vise squeezes the rails. I just had to fabricate some guides to keep the bar level-ish. Works great, you just run the bar back and forth rather than the tool.

  • @jordanstoddard1523
    @jordanstoddard1523 6 місяців тому

    Very helpful tips on how to fix and keep the bars lasting longer. This will definitely be helpful down the road when I'm fixing my light bars. Thanks Garrett and Gordy! You guys are awesome! Keep up the good work!

  • @gryphonmoore929
    @gryphonmoore929 Рік тому +1

    you can easily use the other bar wrench for spreading your rails, just gotta angle it before you give it a hit.

  • @chainsaw_Expert_Chris
    @chainsaw_Expert_Chris 3 місяці тому

    Great video, Garrett! I really appreciate the detailed explanation on bar maintenance and the tools you use. Your tips on how to avoid rolled edges were super helpful-definitely something I'll keep in mind next time I tune my bars. Have you ever had to deal with a bar that just wouldn’t cooperate despite all the tuning? Would love to hear your experiences! Happy cutting!

  • @Single_Handed_7.62
    @Single_Handed_7.62 Рік тому +6

    Like it. Since I cut one handed and generally sling a 32” bar I think I’m sometimes excessively hard on the bar since I can’t manipulate the saw like a 2 handed person would. I try really hard not to be, but it happens. I’m ocd and religious about gear maintenance though. I probably do far more than I need to. But I believe well maintained gear pays dividends. Really wish I could find an affordable sq chisel grinder, but then I’d probably go through chain twice as fast.
    Having sharp tooling is a drug. Once you get it you’ll spend forever chasing it.

    • @chadrides914
      @chadrides914 Рік тому

      My man id love to see you run saw one handed that’s awesome bud 👏

    • @ciphercode2298
      @ciphercode2298 5 місяців тому

      I knew a fella that sold firewood that had very limited use of one arm. I think hed been in an accident in his younger days. I'd see him drivin his old ford trucks with huge oak rounds in the bed. I always wondered how he managed such work by himself. Makes me feel bad about complaining when I dont feel like doin stuff.

  • @some-dude.1
    @some-dude.1 27 днів тому

    I just got a Forester bar rail closer. Used it twice and its completely stripped the thread on the tightening handle. Not even sure it closed the rails even. I wasnt gonna get it cuz every review said the same thing, but I thought hey, maybe im special haha.

  • @AnomadAlaska
    @AnomadAlaska Рік тому +2

    This is great. Very educational. As a 50 year old homeowner that even burns wood for heat. My two bars for my main saw and the few chains I have should easily last the rest of my life. So funny compared to a guy that runs saw everyday all day. And... If I need a 32" bar to fell a tree I am calling a pro. I'm not doing a tree that big myself.

  • @EasyMoneyCrew
    @EasyMoneyCrew Рік тому +4

    great video i never knew much about changing the sprocket etc. this was very informative and helpful thank you Gordy for sharing this.

  • @markroper9269
    @markroper9269 Рік тому +2

    Cool video!! Lots of information, simply demonstrated! Nice job guys!!

  • @sheepdog401
    @sheepdog401 8 місяців тому

    I was thinking its a lot of work to replace a tip compared to buying a new bar until I checked the cost of a new bar compared to a tip. Invest some sweat equity and save some $$$. Nice to know the technique to swap it out. Thanks.

  • @MrBillmechanic
    @MrBillmechanic 10 місяців тому

    Observing some of yourshop equipment in the background, I see that you have a machining background. Very good! It's a great benefit to learn form someone who knosw metals and how to shape and get the best out of them. Great video. I will appply what I learn from you on my own saw bars. Excellent info!!!!

  • @ciphercode2298
    @ciphercode2298 5 місяців тому

    Very well done video,great information. With prices being what they are im wantin to get all the life i can out if my stuff. Thanks a bunch

  • @interiorurbanmining1155
    @interiorurbanmining1155 Рік тому +1

    Awesome video! I have that same rail closer. I use a Pferd bar file in a fancy holder they also make for filing the rails true... it works great but now I want to try one of those ski files Garret was using...

  • @nate-408
    @nate-408 2 місяці тому

    Great job Garrett thank you for the awesome information! Gordy that clutch cover looks great i will be ordering one for sure! Great job bud!

  • @lowellwhite8810
    @lowellwhite8810 Рік тому

    Thank you. i watched this, put it to action on my bars and very pleased with myself. Will make this part of my sked.

  • @NatureShortsGB
    @NatureShortsGB Рік тому

    Very informative, thanks. I knew most of that anyway but its good to see someone who does a lot of chainsawing do it.

  • @johngrossbohlin7582
    @johngrossbohlin7582 Рік тому

    I use a machinist's bench block, sitting firmly on the workbench, to back up the bar when knocking out rivets. The energy of the hammer then goes into the rivet instead of bouncing the bar. The holes in the bench block give the rivets a place to go. No need for a Starrett block... one from Grizzly works fine! A block of wood the thickness of the block placed halfway+ down the bar will help hold the bar level. Alternatively, you could drill a hole in the bench top! 😉

  • @danielallen7259
    @danielallen7259 10 місяців тому

    I absolutely love this video! Very informative! You guys have really great videos and full of information! Thank you!

  • @hblackbourn
    @hblackbourn Рік тому

    Great vid legends, always good to see how others do things to give a different perspective, keep the videos coming.

  • @PicklesBrandt
    @PicklesBrandt Рік тому +1

    @westcoastsaw1368 , what do you find to be a reasonable price for a new Stihl light bar?

  • @CalebFinley-r3v
    @CalebFinley-r3v Рік тому +1

    Do you make any side plate covers for the MS 290s

  • @groundpounder24365
    @groundpounder24365 Рік тому +10

    GP approves this message 😂

  • @DabloEscobud
    @DabloEscobud 11 місяців тому

    Damn, didn't expect this much could be done on a bar. Thanks for the great vid!

  • @samharris9559
    @samharris9559 Рік тому

    What if you use the skinnier bar wrench on an angle ike a chisel? You could even mark off the right depth on it

  • @mariushegli
    @mariushegli Рік тому +1

    I have nothing to say really, but I appreciate your content, and wish to help with the yt-algorithms.

  • @BryanClark-gk6ie
    @BryanClark-gk6ie Рік тому

    You can grind the heads off the rivets and knock them out a lot faster than drilling at them.

  • @TRoush118
    @TRoush118 Рік тому

    Great video! Very helpful information. I got a stihl o39 for 60 dollars but the 20 inch bar and chain cut crooked then bound up. Could not figure it out then this video saved me from scrapping the two. My question now is do I need to re-tune the carburetor when I switch from a 25 inch bar down to a 20 inch bar? Ran it tonight with a 20 inch on it and it seemed to run hot but seemed fine with the 25 inch? Thanks in advance...

  • @oakfarmfirewood
    @oakfarmfirewood Рік тому

    This is a fantastic video! I’ve been having some chain slop side to side on my processor and did not know you can squeeze the bar back. Will be adding this to my bar maintenance for sure. Cheers

  • @sawmanbigtreeslayer2360
    @sawmanbigtreeslayer2360 Рік тому

    Nice!!
    The show and tell was excellent.

  • @richardfrost7575
    @richardfrost7575 Рік тому

    Almost forgot to add, my local stihl dealer has the official stihl bar dressing file, can't remember what I actually paid for it, however it could not have been more than 6 - 10 bucks out the door. I have compared my local dealer to other places and they have very good prices and no they are not selling chinese copies of stihl products I can get stihl rs chains ( as well as most of their bars) for same or cheaper than any where else including tax .

  • @txhogdoggn
    @txhogdoggn Рік тому +1

    very informative and educational. Thanks guys. As for the guide rail/chain gauge. Would machining a solid roll pin with a 0.063" thick flat on it and press it in the roller on center line of the two roller bearings not be an option? it would prevent the gauge from being squeezed to tight and have to open it back up and repeat the narrowing process again.

    • @transdimensionalist
      @transdimensionalist Рік тому

      i dont think so for several reasons, 1, the centre line doesnt stay constant as one bearing is fixed and the other adjustable
      2, when bending something you ha6e to go past the point you want the final angle to be and then it springs back abit, so a spacer would have to be thinner than the finished gauge
      3, if your careful this simple tool will do any size bar and as seen in the video it wasnt too much trouble to spread the rails when pinched

    • @txhogdoggn
      @txhogdoggn Рік тому

      @@transdimensionalist i understand the material would spring back. yes, the drive teeth are roughly 0.063, so you shouldn't want a gap of exactly that, you would want an ever so slightly larger gap (1-2 tenths) to give the teeth SOME room. if they gap was exactly 63 thou and the gap 63 thou, it will cause an increase in heat and premature wear of both the teeth and the bar, and wearing the softer of the two faster, till a slight gap is formed. heck, my oem, new out of the box stihl 28" bar had a gap of 66-68 thou. and yes, center line between the 2 bearings would stay center. if the adjustable side lead or lagged behind the fixed side, then the center line would not stay center. it would be easier to draw it than trying to explain it but i will try. take 2 circles, 2" diameter and had cross hairs in each, line both horizontal lines of the cross hairs up and that would be center line. or that is how im asking about putting a thickness spacer on center line. each bar's hardness will also determine the amount of deflection/spring back it would have as well.

    • @transdimensionalist
      @transdimensionalist Рік тому

      i agree you want some clearance between rails and chain, and also different bar materials being different hardnesses and springing back different amounts. my point is i think itd work but would only be right for one gauge and brand of bar, if you wanted to use it on a different gauge or brand bar the dimensions would be off and no longer centered so seems like an over engineered solution to something that already works with abit of skill and patience. the barshop machines do have a spacer to keep the rails apart when hammering the spread rails together but thats a different animal.

    • @txhogdoggn
      @txhogdoggn Рік тому

      @@transdimensionalist at first you said it would work bc of x reason. now you say it will work but only for x size gauge. isnt that whole point? if a person ONLY uses 50 thou or 63 thou, and is doing it frequent enough, not just a bar shop, but ole' joe snuffy in the field, its a "set and forget" type thing then it sure would save time and wear on the bar.

    • @transdimensionalist
      @transdimensionalist Рік тому

      i didnt know you were talking about a hypothetical person who only runs one bar gauge, i was talking from my own perspective where having a variety of size/ brand/gauge bars would need a tool for each application and would be overkill. i agree with you for your hypothetical person a set and forget tool would be great, one of the comments above mentions something similar bucking billy used on a video once although the only one i can find he says just use the next size gauge chain when bar spreads dont bother squeezing rails so i dunno? hope you understand

  • @jayrobert5917
    @jayrobert5917 Рік тому

    Wow, that’s a lot of cutting my o34 original bar last 17 years just cutting six cord of firewood a year great video

  • @bryanmarks4070
    @bryanmarks4070 Рік тому

    Sounds like Gordy needs to make a 90* bar tuner file!

  • @justinweaver8107
    @justinweaver8107 Рік тому

    Great information appricate u makin this to help people.

  • @karlbuttler
    @karlbuttler Рік тому +3

    Hey Guys, is Garrett, the guy In the photo that came with my Bark Box?

  • @ErnestMacDonald-xd6hj
    @ErnestMacDonald-xd6hj 7 місяців тому

    Hi would you guys have bar and chain 38 pitch by20 or 24 inch long for c 52 Homelite chainsaw andclutchand 7 toothsprocket

  • @st7650
    @st7650 Рік тому

    Why does the paint never hold up on the bars. It’s it due to excessive heat? Just wondering thanks

  • @litewatefitr
    @litewatefitr Рік тому

    Great info, fellas! Appreciate y'all! Stay safe

  • @paulcrocker8232
    @paulcrocker8232 Рік тому +1

    have you ever tried a GB bar Gordie? great Aussie made bars

  • @blade7734
    @blade7734 Рік тому +1

    If you were a real cutter back in the day you had a silvey bar grinder. Probably could figure out how to make one. Chrome Windsor bars where the toughest just had to wax them to keep pitch from sticking

  • @elijahmcgregor9193
    @elijahmcgregor9193 Рік тому +1

    What is the name of the tool you used to file the top of the bar and the bar roller?

    • @westcoastsaw1368
      @westcoastsaw1368  Рік тому

      I think they call it a bar rail squeezer, but I’m not 100% sure on that I should’ve had Garrett specify where he found that at

    • @obxkoastie8170
      @obxkoastie8170 Рік тому +2

      Pferd, Husqvarna, Stihl, and china make a tool for dressing the rails on the bar. Garrett was using a tool that skiers use to dress the edges of their skis which is probably half the price and the replacement files are likely easier to find.
      Madsen's used to sell a bar rail closer made with USA ball bearings and steel. Now I think the only one's available are made in china.

    • @elijahmcgregor9193
      @elijahmcgregor9193 Рік тому

      @@obxkoastie8170 thanks.

  • @darrellfolk5284
    @darrellfolk5284 8 місяців тому

    I love this Channel

  • @forestwolf60
    @forestwolf60 Рік тому

    Great video fellers (see what I did there 😁)! I wanna see more about that chevy in the background.

  • @longbar105d
    @longbar105d Рік тому

    Good information, keep on sharing!

  • @nolinharley1550
    @nolinharley1550 10 місяців тому

    GREAT VIDEO!!!! Thank you!

  • @jimssawsnstuff8903
    @jimssawsnstuff8903 Рік тому

    Great video guys!

  • @dannywhelchel4801
    @dannywhelchel4801 Рік тому

    Great information there

  • @markmcdeavitt3092
    @markmcdeavitt3092 Рік тому

    Great information thanks

  • @Horan.RealEstate
    @Horan.RealEstate Рік тому

    Great Video Boys!!

  • @brockrovenstine8489
    @brockrovenstine8489 Рік тому

    I learned something… thank you

  • @yenerm114
    @yenerm114 Рік тому +2

    Be careful when ur dressing the rolled over sides , n running ur fingers/hand over bar checking it, there may be a metal sliver waiting to go into your finger 😣 don’t ask me how I know 😝 😉

  • @ToddAdams1234
    @ToddAdams1234 Рік тому

    Guys, is there a “technical” reason for running an 063 vs 050 bar and chain? The reason that I ask is that 063 is next to impossible to find around here and I really want to know YOU guys answer.

    • @transdimensionalist
      @transdimensionalist Рік тому

      063 is made from thicker material so will be stronger and hold up better under stress but will cut a thicker kerf and use more power, 050 is fine for most applications and wouldnt worry unless your cutting all the time big trees

    • @johndunbar2393
      @johndunbar2393 Рік тому +1

      @@transdimensionalist Driver gauge has nothing to do with the kerf. You need to understand what you're talking about before answering someone fella. Youre confusing pitch, with driver gauge.

    • @transdimensionalist
      @transdimensionalist Рік тому

      thanks for the correction, i understand the differences just assumed the cutters would be bigger as gaugenincreased

    • @ToddAdams1234
      @ToddAdams1234 Рік тому

      @@transdimensionalist don’t worry to awful much because at one time I had the same misconception, but thats all been taken care of. But I’d still like someone to “try” to answer my question with good reasons. It’s just one of those 🤔🧐😵‍💫

    • @jasonmichaeljimenez
      @jasonmichaeljimenez Рік тому

      I am no expert. O.050 is lighter, hard to find bars 0.050 at 36” plus or not really made. Been running across old production saws and they all have 0.063. I am assuming 0.063 is more durable and longer life.

  • @Loggeraaron1990
    @Loggeraaron1990 9 місяців тому

    He needs to start a UA-cam channel

  • @gordonauld5945
    @gordonauld5945 10 місяців тому

    Get er done.😁

  • @yotamonster
    @yotamonster 18 днів тому

    "Tune"

  • @wolverinebear5357
    @wolverinebear5357 10 місяців тому

    Put those ski jigs in your store, you prolly wont be able to keep'em stocked.

  • @KNGwaywestdesign
    @KNGwaywestdesign Рік тому +2

    "...get western with it..."

  • @larrywarner9314
    @larrywarner9314 Рік тому +2

    You also have to keep in mind how much you take off your rails , sooner or later your driver's on your chain will bottom out and the bar is junk

  • @ElmhorstJ
    @ElmhorstJ 2 місяці тому

    rather than ruining files I use stones for deburring and rail truing.

  • @alexstromberg7696
    @alexstromberg7696 Рік тому +1

    Bars are cheap, just buy a new one

    • @bethanyhaskiell9116
      @bethanyhaskiell9116 Рік тому +1

      Big LW Bars Are Not Cheap

    • @transdimensionalist
      @transdimensionalist Рік тому

      your mum is cheap, buy a new one..

    • @jasonmichaeljimenez
      @jasonmichaeljimenez Рік тому

      Maybe Farmertec, but those are running 2+ bones if they are in stock.
      I am tuning and changing tips.

    • @CatsRcool-b5o
      @CatsRcool-b5o Рік тому +1

      A month ago I bought a 28inch Sugihara light weight bar for my 592xp here in the US. I paid $148.00 plus shipping cost. They worked on 32inch Stihl Light bars which are more expensive. Alex if you think that's cheap then you must be rich.

  • @MikeJames-nt8gi
    @MikeJames-nt8gi Місяць тому

    Good video. Thanks