Thomas Love & Relationships - EXPLAINED
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
- Happy Valentine's Day everyone! Today, @mechanicalshed4556 and I will be looking at Love & Relationships in Thomas and how it works!
Wilbert Awdry Interview @ • Rev. Wilbert Awdry on ...
CHAPTERS
0:00 Intro
1:20 Awdry's Metaphor
4:00 Toby & Henrietta
5:26 Other Rolling Stock
6:41 Kissy Wissy Lovey Dovey Stuff
7:46 Davey Moore
9:23 Rosie Is Red
11:27 Conclusion
MUSIC CREDIT
Rosie Is Red Theme @ • Rosie is Red (Instrume...
Edward's Theme Remix @ • Edward (From "Thomas R...
Toby's Series 18 Theme @ • Toby's Theme (Season 1...
The Watermill Theme @ • Thomas & Friends - Wat...
Daisy's Series 20 Theme @ • Daisy's Theme - Thanks...
As they say, relationships are temporary, but nuclear fusion is forever.
why do you say nuclear fusion?
@@agustintoys3199cuz they're more powerful
@@Needlem0useInHerNeedlehouse ok
I absolutely love this comment.
lets not go fission
else we get sodor fallout
I’m extremely disappointed this wasn’t a ten hour in depth deep dive on James and Gordon’s toxic yaoi arc
* This is the only good comment on this video
Ayo wat?!
@anternet104 be careful with what forces you summon with that comment, dude.
this is objectively the best comment here.
The only Thomas ship I support is Henry x his forest.
ew wouldnt that mean hes a plantophile
LOL 😂
OMG YES!!!
So Henry is a treefucker?
Felicia
I agree Toby and Henrietta being a typical old married couple without being literally in love is a perfect allegory
everyone else in the fandom: Is skeptical wether or not to have vehicles have relationships
Victor Tanzig: Literally has t2 married locomotive couples in his series
I was actually shocked when Henry mentioned to the others that he was married to Emily in Victor Tanzig's video
Thomas isn’t dead he fooled us all
Didn't thomas and lady get divorced in his universe?
@@PilloTheStar
Not quite, they more or less broke up after a rough patch, and then rekindled their friendship, but just as that; friends.
@@PilloTheStarkate*
I don't care what anyone says, Toby and Henrietta are an old married couple
Only one i think is cute and works.
“Toby and Henrietta work as a ship”
They’re not a ship they’re a train!”
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂🤣
(Michael Angelis HAHA)
I never minded ships! I genuinely love the married idea of Henrietta and Toby!
In conclusion, watch Wall-E.
WALL•E my favorite Movie!
That is a good theory actually. EVE and WALL-E have such a sweet romance and it is still not s*xual in anyway.
Thomas characters might feel about each other like that.
@@thetechnocrat4979thing is the whole beauty is that they’re robots and are more human than the actual humans in the movie, despite them still being programming and advanced AI, where’s Thomas characters are very clearly organic to a small extent and their bodies are what’s still mechanical/artificial.
Personally I don't mind it with the whole relationships. Especially with Toby and Henrietta and Luke and Millie.
Funny enough, the romantic implications are not the reason I dislike Rosie is Red. Thomas is incredibly out of character here. He knows Diesel, Bill and Ben are meant to be jokesters by this point, so why would he care about what they think?? Also, there is a scene in the episode where he endangers workmen and that made me so mad because it reminds me of the one scene in Wonky Whistle.
Davey Moore is a very talented writer and most of his episodes are some of the best episodes in all of CGI Thomas. But although I do understand what he was going for, I don't think this needs to be a lesson taught in a show about talking trains. Would have worked much better with humans as the main focus instead
This really isn’t all that out of character for CG Thomas given he’s a rather impulsive character in this era of the show.
I can maybe understand the criticism with Bill and Ben even if it’s not all that surprising someone who get all in a twist with their antics given it’s nothin new with them, but with Diesel, Thomas has taken what he’s said to heart before and this is no different.
Yes, a few of those examples are HIT Era episodes, but I'm still counting them.
Also, I should emphasize: context is important for the reasons stated in the video, it’s a natural case to feel flustered.
@@stirlingno.1296 Diesel has gotten to Thomas before. But other times he can completely see through his tricks or manipulation. Here, it's just him teasing about Rosie being his ""favorite"". It's B&B that really get under his non-existent skin and again, I don't understand. TOTB's main aspects involved B&B pranking Thomas and Thomas being fully aware they are just being silly for the sake of being silly. Embarassment is a real thing, I get it, we all go through it at some point. But if they wanted this to be more believable than it actaully was. have the teasing come from someone who Thomas looks up to. Like.. I dunno, Toby? Edward? Have one of the two playfully nudge the idea and Thomas storms off taking it the wrong way. Than the other (like Toby does here) console them and tells Thomas to talk it out with Rosie AND the engine who nudged the idea in the first place. That way Thomas can show a new side to him without contradicting what he knows about these characters before.
Also what about this not really being a story that can work in TTTE in the first place? Again, good lesson, but why use TRAINS to tell this kind of story?
@@fairlyoddenginecreations
I get what you’re saying and that sounds like a nice concept, I just don’t really have as much of an issue with the canon execution for the reasons I stated above.
These trains just so happen to have human emotions, why restrict the concept of love like it’s some unholy sin for these characters to feel? Plus, love is not exclusive to physical intimacy or "ewww sexualization", it can be expressed in a multitude of ways.
@@stirlingno.1296 Yeah, like the reasons said in the above video. The engines CAN express love through their dialogue, not their.. lip contact. I wouldn't be even saying that if it weren't for the stupid, cringe-inducing fantasy sequence. How does B&B even know about kissing? I thought trains weren't fully aware of what the humans (outside of working on the railway) do for a living. Percy in HEA is different because he actually got to EXPERIENCE it and didn't really feel any romance afterwards. B&B tho? Straight up calling Rosie Thomas' "special friend" made me gag when I first heard it
@@fairlyoddenginecreations
My man, it’s not even that cringey, I saw the same sequence myself, and I'm like "…okay, whatever." I just feel like you’re looking at this through kind of a dense lens. Like, you said, and I said, love can be expressed through dialogue, it’s one of the most common ways of expressing love.
Plus, the way I see it, if engines were able to kiss, or "kiss" in a metaphorical sense, that would be expressed through gently tapping each other’s buffers, there’s no lip contact, it’s just them finding a way around that hurdle if they were to ever be intimate beyond dialogue.
Hearing Wilbert talk about the coaches being dutiful wives feels like looking at a trilobite fossil. It's so old-fashioned that it's older than dinosaurs.
Lady Hatt is the real reason why Elisabeth was locked in a shed for all those years.
I answer this question with a theory of my own "Mimic Theory"; the engines have faces because their passengers and crew have faces, they speak because we speak, they feel love and other emotions because they learned them from humans.
5:40
‘thomas, can you take these new coaches up to harwick?’
‘Sorry sir, but i can’t upset the polycule!’
That's a great video about love and relationships in Thomas. I believe that romance between trains could work if given the chance to try and in a careful way, It doesn't have to involve kissing or anything, just feelings would do really well.
Yeah like they kiss by bumping buffers or like always hang out
As a nonshipper of Thomas and friends, I will have to admit that I was curious AND glad that you went over it in a more factual way. I was in SHOCK when I watched "Rosie is red". I did NOT think that Thomas and friends would make a lovey dovey episode, but yes I did notice the more descrete flirty moments because it wasn't straight out.
A random list of Thomas characters/theories I wouldn’t mind a videos on:
- How much of Sodor is borrowed from the Furness Railway (Edward, Albert, Vickerstown, connections to Barrow, etc.)
- a view on all the coaches on the NWR
- Stafford
- The Holden family tree (Toby, Molly and Hurricane are technically cousins)
Also, Duck might be related to Bill and Ben
@@brendanhanley2741WHAT? I knew Duck and Oliver are related, but Bill and Ben?
@Duck-wl4kv around 50 57XX panniers were built by W.G Bagnall possible making Duck a half cousin to Bill and Ben
@@brendanhanley2741 That’s correct but they were built by Charles Collett. This universe is confusing
before rosie is red existed i supported thomas x and rosie after seeing rosie is red i still support thomas x rosie
Very interesting explanation. I do see Toby and Henrietta as a married couple. And I also like Luke and Millie.
I really don't know why love is such a touchy subject in this fandom... especially when love is portayed onto the trains.
IKR!
The same reason no-one does fan art of the engines as humans, because this fandom used to have a p*dophile infestation.
Either that or its because of those people who think a romantic relationship simply can't exist without s*x (vehicles don't have genit*ls)
Saammmee
Thomas: look at these cute pens
Ryan: Thomas, that's gay..
Thomas: Ryan we've been dating for-
🤣🤣🤣🤣I CAN'T HELP MYSELF, IM SORRY
i despise you.
OMG I remember I saw a video of someone using that in that in a Vine 😆
your username suits u@@weirdperson0100
The part about the relationship between engines and coaches….🤯👌🏾✅
Doesn’t mean the coaches are just “accessories” they too have their uses, yes they have to be pulled along by an engine but the passenger train wouldn’t exist without them. So I don’t believe it’s too sexist to have the males the engines and the coaches females. The roles of both genders are different but are necessary. They aren’t expected to be the same now are they.
@@keanes8608 EXACTLY!!! But I bet it’d be hard to get everyone else to understand that 🙄. But yeah they are very special and important, and the fact that the engines love them so much just proves their worth and value🥰 And when you think about it, any dmu or emu (diesel/electric multiple unit) are basically self propelled coaches, which is why daisy, Pip and Emma are female. Thats why in my head cannon, any engine like that is female.
I think you forgot to mention that in The Great Race, Annie and Clarabel fire back at Thomas and say "We're not your coaches Thomas! We're our own coaches"
Why have a relationship when you can have a relation-train?
This is the best comment. 👌
toad kinda refers to everyone like alfred would to batman (sir/master wayne) as he says mr/ms (insert character name here) so while hes not really a butler, his mannerism is similar to such
9:51-11:17-I couldn’t help but giggle and snicker at this bit because it’s obvious that they LOVE picking on poor Thomas!!
😅😅😅😖😖😖
Also Thomas in his early days: You are so fat you need exercise >:(
But yeah, he can't escape the teasing lol
2:33 BUS WANKERS 😂
For me the vehicles can have relationships just not in a s**ual way cue in Stories of Sodor logic.
Yes indeed. I don't understand why it is so hard for so many to grasp. Romance doesn't automatically equate s*x. In fact, romance was used heavily as a word for passionate love even when s*x wasn't involved in the past. Ever know the phrase ' romancing the rails ' people? Us railfans romanticise the railways, aviation fans romanticise aircrafts and car owners romanticise their cars. That doesn't mean that we want to f*ck them or ' procreate ' with them.
preach
They’re literally all asexual because they’re real trains ergo no balls or puss
Why did you censor the word sexual, it's not really inappropriate
Relationships are noice :)
The point mentioned of "There's no reason for them to be romantic cos they can't procreate" reminds me that the Transformers franchise also has this issue.
For them romance is purely platonic and recreational rather than procreative.
I wish I had a "special" friend.
I think the closest thing the series would have done to imply relationships without being cringe is just have two characters who are implied to “like” each other
But it’s shown through them just enjoying working together and hanging out more than others (maybe slight blushing) and that’s literally it. Gets the point across and still says accurate to the rules of the in show universe
I was ready for apocalypse when you were. :)
And that promo pic of Thomas and Rosie made for that same episode is something I love to call so silly, I kinda like it. 😂
Rebecca and Gordon are like Stanley and Phyllis from The Office. Work Spouses.
8:05 fun fact, I have friends named Luke and Millie who are dating. And there’s also characters in Coronation Street named Ryan and Daisy who are having an affair.
Chat is this real
@@edwardsimp0524 I promise you it is.
Semi related:
In my high school class there were a pair of brothers named “Donald and Douglas”, I was the only one who knew why it was as funny as it was.
@@ChrisSuperDude that’s cool.
@@ChrisSuperDude PFFT- As someone whose favourite characters are the Caledonian twins, this is flippin amazing
Smart to stream this on valentines day
Last time i was this early, Ringo was still the narrator
You know what, i'm just gonna say it.... i will always be a *Thomily* shipper. 💙💚 The Hit & Nitrogen Eras basically set up that Ying Yang dynamic between them, they had a kind of 'close childhood friends' chemistry at the start and near the end during the Brenner Era it grew to a point where it became like a 'work-wife/work-husband' relationship. Nothing was ever necessarily romantic, but whenever the other was feeling down or struggling with a job you can be sure that despite some bossing or teasing they always looked out for and supported each other, just like good couples should. And to be honest, if your gonna write relationships for engines or any non-human character in this show, that's how you do it in my opinion.
I will say though, and i recommend reading them for anyone interested, the on-going fan-fiction series written by *AaronControll97* is truly something special.
I looked it up and my eyes landed on she likes it when he..
😅
Of course I’ll read the whole thing for context, just in case I read it wrong.
This just reminded me of a lot of questions I've had about the engines for a long time;
1. Do they know where babies come from?
2. Do they *want* to know?
3. The Nostalgia Critic assumed that sentient vehicles are born like humans, does it work the other way as in do engines think hospitals are factories/workshops where humans are built?
4. How aware are they of the differences between machines and living creatures?
Sorry to go off on a tangent.
Nostalgia Critic is an idiot
Personally, since henry and emily when he was having boilerache i shiped them the first ship has been Thomas and lady. Then Henrietta and toby i say thier elder couple and finally rebecca and Gordon
Rosie is red, Thomas is blue, and my darling lady hat, I love you.
Okay, but what about the shunting at night?
Uhh... actually, we'll get to that later.
actually while I'm writing my own Thomas theories I use the term of a boyfriend or girlfriend as a partner. I defined this as being something that can be romantic or just platonic. I just write them in just having relationships but not really having the urge to do anything physically together. their love and that's it. no more needs to be said.
still great video guys
The way I see it…
Yes they can have feelings…
The engines have feelings, they can feel things emotionally (as seen…Literally anything to do with Thomas, including the RWS *cough* scrap *cough*)
I do believe there is a limit…Like locomotives can’t do anything like…Y’know…
But they don’t have to! Just like real life! (I feel so weird saying something on the matter XD)
The relationship is almost like a sibling one…They just want to be together and have each other’s backs…Reminder, they are machines…The only contact they can make is doubleheading a train or whatever
It’s also somewhat of a play on the fact, many (mostly just European steam engines) look visually appealing and elegant, thus is why people may like certain designs in particular
Happy Valentines day!
I'm not really one for shipping Thomas characters unless if it's characters from other shows that makes me see their pairing as similar to them by their personalities and colors.
"Rosie is red" wasn't the first time Thomas stood up for Rosie.
He did in "Hector the horrid".
Though in this situation it was because of him having problems explaining to Rosie his opinions on her without some engines seeing them more than just friends.
Thomas has had his fair share of his good and bad starts when meeting new girl characters whether it's taking Annie and Clarabel from him or just making him feel annoyed at first.
One example I think would've worked for relationships would've been the fantasy sequence from "Emily's best friend".
The more I watched it, the more I thought, "Edward may old, but I think he can be the perfect boi who can impress a woman".
I feel like there's not really ever an episode or fan made story where Edward was paired with a girl character as its mostly the engines on his branchline or anybody else.
I think in the RWS version of "Peter Sam and the refreshment lady" Agnes, Ruth, Lucy, Jemima and Beatrice said that Peter Sam treated them like a real gentleman.
Cars and Wall-E had love and it worked nicely, so I don't really see how this couldn't work.
To be honest, I seem to Thomas X Rosie shipper myself, even years before Rosie is red at 9:23-11:27.
8:22 Ryan RUN! 😂
To be honest I think see Thomas and friends as a family united way, then romance, because I have strange feeling that most of us who grew out of Thomas and Friends when separated ways to other Fandoms from different TV Shows and Movies, and in those fandoms are Fanfic Stories, like Kylo RenxReader, Captain America x Reader, the list goes on and on, so when we come back to Thomas and Friends for good old childhood memory, but due to us being in different fandoms we kinda got some of the Fanfic to the T.F.F. as the saying goes, the rest is history.
Note: The reason I see Thomas and Friends as family because they bicker, teasing each other, angry at each other, but when one of them is down, you'll see the squad coming after you or someone who hurt one of them like a normal family can do, so that why I don't get the shipping part. 😅😅
Yeah it’s more of a found family, like at most engines have siblings or cousins because of who they were designed and built with but that’s the most of it
@Nic_2751 that the one, the found family, I knew there was trope but I forgot what was called.
I used to pretend Thomas The Tank Engine was my little brother.
Work colleagues, and family yeah. Even the best friend crap was a stretch
@@keanes8608 actually yes work colleagues is more accurate, but the found family is definitely there and just as valid of an interpretation
i got a special friend
Ahh the buffer beams... Keep the thing a kids show!
Believe it or not, the only characters I ship together are Thomas and Ashima, & James and Emily.
Also, I was wondering if you would like to take part in reviewing The Super Mario Bros. Movie (if you've watched it that is).
Maybe they could kiss if they were one of those cursed spider Thomas things where the face can crawl out of the boiler. Engines kissing is very weird though.
This is the best thing that UA-cam has recommended me
I'll always be a Thomosie shipper .I'm even writing a fanfic where Aeg Thomas is their son and Kana is his Girlfriend
“Love is strong, but anger is stronger.” - 99¢ store version of Daniel Devito
Thank you for the Ian McCue image
Ive noticed, that in kid shows like this use special friends to censor boyfriend or girlfriend because apparently thats to inappropriate but kissing is ok ig
Im not a fan if shipping either, but something about thomas and rosie being together seems so right to me....
I hc them being the only engines on sodor to feel "love" to eachother. And my hc on how trains have "dates" is that they wanna spend time bonding with eachother, like working together, and just being around eachother
Thomas and rosie just probably has a special connection that makes them like eachother so much, but ut doesnt get any farther than that. And the engines noticed it and started to tease them
I always think Lady and Thomas good relationship
It would be cool if you plan a video to prepare for April 20th of this year to discuss the topic of drugs in Thomas, such as the jokes about Special Coal from Season 1 and Gold Dust from Thomas and the Magic Railroad, as well a references to Drugs in various fanmade series'
Personally I don’t think it matters what you use but how you use it. Relationships can work. Like how Victor Tanzig does them.
I remember seeing this video of a random kid saying Thomas and Lady should be a couple and they should also get married, one of the cringiest ahh things ever
Agreed but so is saying “ahh” after an adjective.
Was it that video called Thomas in love
11:52 how on earth does there exist an XXL statue of Rebecca's woodenrailway model
I can see how they could have relationships but the physical stuff no but toby and henreietta are a great case of an old husband and wife
Rosie is red
Thomas is blue
Happy Valentine's day
for everyone watching this video!
This is going to be good
Thomas has two wives. Wilbert Awdry was a poly ally confirmed.
1:35 rev w awdry like to imagine that real trains can talk wasn't he
Well his books were based on real events he’s probably seen and personifying the vehicles..😅
Cool never thought about this…
I subscribe to the idea of romance between these sentient engines and coaches as being significantly different to how us humans feel it. I like how Victor Tanzig handles that in his main ' Stories of Sodor ' series.
I don't think that there is any physical aspect to their feelings, it is purely emotional. Hard for human beings to understand and comprehend.
Rosie and Thomas are basically brothers and sisters
I headcanon almost every engine as AroAce and that being the majority for all engine kind. The one of the only ships I like is Toby and Henrietta.
Romance & Thomas are not things I hear about everyday.
And could not substitute kissing with something train related in “Rosie is Red”? I’ve heard Transformers do something like that with vehicle or mechanical related wordplay. Like they substitute swear words with words like “slag” (although that’s an actual dirty word in the UK). Or say “I just put on my makeup” as “I just got my face chromed”. I’ve heard a Transformers comic that substitute romantic phrases with stuff like “I’ll rotate those tires of yours”. Maybe they could say stuff like “snuggling their buffers together” or something.
Thomas's family tree (and can you talk about Timothy)
And then there's Thomas' Heartbreak
More like Thomas's Hatebreak
If a train can get game then you can too
3:49 they are trains with human faces
Personally I think in terms of relationships in Thomas is mostly whatever. In the Thomas universe they have us an emotions so it would make sense to see how it would work in long-term relationships with each other
I know that this is hardly the right place to discuss this, but I have a bit of a problem with how Rosie was written as a character. Given her class’s background (US Army s100 ww2 era switcher engine), I would’ve thought that it would’ve made more sense for her to be a hardened engine who’s seen the horrors of World War 2 and still has the personality of a soldier from the war, and even possibly tried to write it in as her using that as a method of coping with her war-sustained trauma They really missed many opportunities to write her as the strong female character with some repressed ptsd instead of just a silly “young” engine. They could’ve even made an episode or two about her dealing with ptsd over the things she saw during her years of working at Southampton docks.
6:37
Yeah! It’s very probably, Thomas’s actitudes it’s bit similar like a boy 9-13 years, one bit anarchistic, LIKE a boy. And obviously, Annie’s and clarabell’s rolls it’s like a aunties.
I head canon that engines can’t have a relationship, but they can have something that’s like a relationship. Also I see that you mentioned something about your Gordon’s family tree video. I remember that you said Gordon had, if you don’t count Flying Scotsman, Gordon had 79 other brothers. Well because of Ethan E-2’s head canon of 3 Gresley A-1’s that survived, I head canon is that more than 81 Gresley A-1’s were built and more than 2 or 3 survived.
What would be very Interesting is the Theory two Engines COULD Kiss. Possibly. If both engines were being worked on and had Their Running Boards Removed they could Kiss. IN THEORY
When I was like 4 years old, i thought Thomas liked Emily
The funny thing about Thomas disliking Rosie (besides it being only one of MANY times the "Thomas hates the new tank engine" trope appears) is that Rosie's basis (american dock tank) is the engine that actually replaced Thomas's basis (the scrapped E2's). So when viewed through the lens of Thomas potentially resenting rosie for her class basically being responsible for his own class being scrapped, their relationship gets a lot more real.
Not to be the "erm ackkually" guy but the dock tanks didn't replace the E2s. That is just a rumor. The crews simply preferred to use the dock tanks. It was actually Salty's class(BR 07s) who replaced both the E2s & dock tanks. Your point could still work though as Thomas could have fallen for this rumor.
Did Mattel take note of how fans shipped ideal male and female characters on Deviant Art, or something?
Wowzers, why don’t the fans and writers classify Emily as bisexual while they’re at it, or have Thomas be in a polyamorous relationship with Annie and Clarabel? But who could be a potential gay couple?
I honest to God think that was Mattel's inspiration for "Rosie is red".
I also see Thomas and Rosie as Mickey and Minnie Mouse other than just Sonic and Amy like how most most Thomas x Rosie shippers do.
In that image of Rosie and Thomas I just realized that she is taller than thomas
I agree with this video
I disagree
I think engines should have relationships cuz it's just really cute and endearing.
Also Britt Allcroft wanted Thomas and lady to be a thing so...
Happy Valentine's Day, Thomas Theorist!
Mechanical shed he's not blushing on the cover of the great race
In Victor tanzing case they can get married.
As an asexual woman, I’m glad they avoid romantic relationships. I like the emotional personification of actual engines. They r complex and fascinating. We have enough interpersonal human relationships. This is an interesting dynamic in their relationships and emotions.
In all due honesty, it makes no sense why fans complain about romance between locomotives being unrealistic: they can talk, but nobody complains about them doing that being unrealistic. It’s completely hypocritical
Milktanker Media was the first to write relationships in Thomas correctly. (His lack of a voice actress made things a bit awkward perhaps.) There were people back in those days who relentlessly criticized him for it. But since his stories were very well done, it always seemed normal. However, it depends on the tone of the stories.
Well, he may not be the first, but at least the first I came across maybe a decade ago now.
I asked this before in the chat and I’ll ask It again. What is you guys’ favourite couple in The Stories of Sodor?
a bit of a tangent here cuz i havent grasped the idea of smaller sentences yet BUT
i think the engines can, in theory, form close bonds past platonic or familial. maybe its just how i see the world[as i am aroace n therefore already view relationships differently] but i never saw the idea of engines being unable to do [romantic thing here] as a reason for them to not be able to form romantic bonds. Ofc i think the show would have had to handle it much better for it to not only be more accepted in the broader fandom outside of like tumblr, but also actually work.
cuz clearly its possible, awdrew AND the show acknowledge it, but it needs to make actual sense in a way ig
like personally, i am a shipper in the fandom, i like weird and silly dynamics that rlly would not happen purely cuz its funny, but if the show were to do it again [pretend it got a new season or smtn] i think it would have to be handled carefully, prolly w toby and henrietta as they are the most obvious example of an implied romantic couple. them also being older/mature would make it more fitting, as theyre a bit smarter than like 70% of the cast
did any of that make sense?? i dunno i just like rambling lol
I think we can all agree that Toby and Henrietta were the stereotype “old married couple” of the series.
If the relationship is handled well then yeah it's alright I still find it kinda weird but as y'all said times change and we'll adapt to it if Thomas still gets a comeback sometime that could be good stories, again if handled well.