4:30 Cool to see you’re a Rebecca fan too. Don’t get me wrong she was rushed into the series, but personality wise. I think her optimistic perspective would clash beautifully with the cynical edge of the other big engines.
Honestly yeah, she bounces off the others (especially Gordon) *incredibly well*. One of my favorite parts of writing her is just how alien to the strives of the Big Engines she is.
@@Dorothy.Vivian I mean, you’re not wrong, but very rarely is the happy-go-lucky character and Express Engine. Normally characters who pull the express act very high class and prestigious.
As a big Q1 enthusiast, let me share my knowledge. The Q1 class were built with modified Lord Nelson boilers that were either left unused or built under that design. It contributed in the incredible power Q1s that they were known for. The Lord Nelsons were just super King Arthurs both in size and looks. Neville is still distant cousin to Merlin, but much closer than any other Bulleid steam locomotive, even to Rebecca who has Bulleid boiler.
Might not be to Emily but Gordon, Spencer, Flying Scotsman, and other Gresly engines. Emily was designed by Stirling while Bulleid was an apprentice under his successor, Henry Ivatt, and later became Gresly assistant.
I genuinely forgot that the express coaches were Maunsell designs (and was unaware of the Mail coaches), so seeing that appearance was quite the surprise. I did know about the BLP in Series 9, but had no idea which one it specifically was, so that was very neat as well. I don't really have much else to say, but I'm with you in the Rebecca fan-minority, always love the queen getting proper recognition for what she does. :P Grand video!
@@SudrianShenanigans Bug off! Your crappy woke character’s basis should be used for a better and more important character called Winston (named after Winston Churchill 🇬🇧).
This was a great family tree video Adam and I really love this one. Although I think the next one should definitely be about the Skarloey engines as I'm interested to see where that goes. Keep up the good work Man.
I have no evidence for this, but this is the headcanon I had for Dennis and Norman: Dennis is the real life diesel, he had the exact same stories, the real life one, except when he was about to be put up for scrap the fat controller bought him (Fatt Hatt has a affinity for prototypes.) Kervens gate fixed a lot of the issues the diesel had, even if Dennis would still occasionally breakdown. However, despite his engine being more-or-less fixed, Dennis was a very lazy diesel, meaning that the fat controller commissioned a diesel of his same class to be built to help even out the workload. Luckily, it turned out. Norman was a far more eager to work engine.
I love this idea, and it makes sense, considering that Gordon (whom Awdry confirmed was a fictional prototype to Nigel Gresley’s A1 Pacific class), Percy (a heavily hybridized tank engine with several real-world inspirations), Daisy (a single-unit railcar whose real-world equivalents were multi-unit), and Stanley (another hybridized tank engine based on two different classes) all found a home on the North Western Railway.
That does make a lot of sense narrative-wise, but does it really make financial sense for Crovan's Gate to build a whole new engine just because one's lazy? Thus paying maintenance cost for two engines for the revenue of one engine?
Great video. I could totally see an episode where Rebecca strikes up a friendship with her cousin Neville, maybe touch on his past of being bullied in it and how Rebecca reacts to hearing about it.
Oh man, I am glad you did Rebecca's family tree! I knew her direct linage and you hinting Merlin being her distant cousin of sorts, but I had no idea the express coaches and Percy's mail vans are cousins on Merlin too. That has me laughing so much and I think just the fact they are considered realted is has funny story potential. I think Gordon would just be dumbfounded how his prestige express couches are realted to a ecestentic character like Merlin. I never even thought of rollingstock characters being related to engines, till now. This is 10/10 for me. In defense of Dennis and Norman exisiting in the same universe, well Awdry has made up extra engines that never existed before such as Bear. It's not that bad. It's really a shame there was nothing done with Norman. Like I read his wiki before and according to it, he wants to be popular with the engines regardless of what fuel they run on and is such a overworks himself because he loves working, despite breaking down a lot. Like it does sound simallar to Derek, but unlike Derek, Norman was on the bad guys side fro a bit, while Derek would never doing such a thing. Perhaps, Norman saw that steam engines seems to get special privlage in his eyes while diesels like him get shafted.Of course, he is wrong, because Topham loves all his engines, but still. It would've been great to see Norman try to impress everyone and agree with everyone's veiw points just so they could like him, only learn that that isn't the way to go to have true friends and be true to your own self. Heck, they could've borught Dennis back and interact with his brother. THey are both opposite charactrs and would've been interesting to explore thier realtionship. Apprently. Norman was thrilled to find hsi twin was on Sodor, but how does Dennis feel about Norman? Paxton, Sidney, Den, and Dart got character to them in the Brenner era while poor Norman got a crumb. It just sucks. Hmmm as for another family tree, I think Duck would be a fun one. I know he and Oliver are cousins based on having the same designer. However, if you take into consideraton of builders....oh boy there is a whole lot to work with. I'll say it'd make Bear, Dart, and a few others that we know his cousins. Heck, I'd be interested in seeing a Diesel family tree video. It would say it could be too predictiable seeing we know all os his brothers in the show, but you know, since the curve ball with the rollingstock, I'd be interested if there was another curve ball thrown in there when it coems to Diesel's family tree.
I knew you were gonna make a family tree video about Rebecca and I didn’t know that that Merlin is kinda of related to Rebecca, Neville, Dennis and Norman since Merlin’s for funnels were built by Oliver Bulleid and you should make a family tree video about Duck and Oliver next since they were both build by Charles Collet.
I'm so happy you brought up WC, Shildon museum is local to me and seeing it in person is awesome, as soon as I saw this vid pop up I was really hoping it would be brought up! One thing I love about this family is the wheel design, so cool!
TBH, I actually like Rebecca too; it was a nice breath of fresh air to see a T&F character with a positive optimistic attitude. But I do agree that she was brought onto the TV series too late and too quickly. They should've brought Rebecca on earlier and slowly. This was done with Emily and, though she's a misunderstood character, she's a fan favorite. Little known fact about Oliver Bulleid: he used to work for Sir Nigel Gresley and had a hand in developing some of Gresely's engines like the A4 (Spencer's basis). So, like the Maunsell family tree, the Gresley family tree is somewhat connected to Bulleid's. So, Rebecca and Merlin could somewhat be related to Spencer, Gordon, and Flying Scotsman.
In my opinion this is how a thomas family tree works . Same engine type + same designer = brothers/sisters (gordon, scotsman) . Different engine type + same designer = cousins (gordon, spencer) . Same company = step siblings (gordon, emily since the GNR was amalgamated into the LNER) If you have any other ideas pls comment
I don't mind the fact that two BR 11001s somehow canonically exist in the Thomas universe. I'm sure there's people out there who have made some kind of theory to why two of them exist, but since by like Series 8, or heck, even by Series 6 or 7, the universe seems to be its own thing with things that occur in real life being nonexistent for the most part, it doesn't matter all too much to me. I mean, in the same universe, characters like Carly, Cassia and the Chinese diesel exist despite being 21st builds and Ian McCue confirming that the show takes place in the late 50s-early 60s. Besides as controversial as this opinion may be but I don't thing characters real life/Railway Series build dates apply for the characters in the TVS. That last sentence didn't have anything to do with the video, I know but I thought it would add to my thoughts on Dennis and Norman coexisting.
I’ve seen the Q at York many times, and Winston Churchill was one of my favourite locos on a visit to Shildon, but it never crossed my mind that they’re related.
I thought I was gonna gain a migraine when you brought up the fact that the express coaches & Utility vans built by Richard Maunsell are technically related to Merlin! Man, what a twist! But another job well done sir!
I feel that the reason a lot of older fans of the show dislike Rebecca (and likely Nia) Is because their introduction resulted with removing some of the OG characters from the main team in order to balance the gender representation of the crew. There would likely have been better received if they had been added to one of the secondary crews for example the "little Western" or being based in one of the other locations like Vicars town as most of the engines are currently associated with the Tidmouth /Knapford/ Farquarr area at the other end of the island or the Brendham branch and quarry, building a new crew near the mainland would have allowed more interaction with non-sodor engines and given the new additions their own spotlight and opportunities for the writers to make stories revolving around some of the less seen engines like they did for the Mid-Sodor and Skarloey engines in the model series.
Honestly i wish the show and other fan made episodes made stories about the engines realtionship with other engines like what awdry did with gordon and scotsman
The whole Norman and Dennis co-existing never really bothered me. There’s precedent for that in the series prior. Donald, Douglas, and most of the numbered diesels in the series shouldn’t exist; their numbers come after the irl last numbers of their classes. Skarloey and Rheneas are both fictional duplicates of their one-off bases as well. What does boggle me a bit more is the idea that they’re supposed to be twins. Their faces look so different, and Norman’s clearly has an older look to it compared to Dennis. It becomes especially weird if Dennis is indeed to original 11001 and Norman is the fictional duplicate (“11002,” you might say), cuz that’d mean Dennis is older. I have a whole convoluted headcanon for how that works out, but left as is, it’s weird
I really enjoyed watching this video, Honestly Rebecca is kind of mid to me. She was sort of just there to sweep Emily “under the rug” if you know what I mean. Along with Nia, Both Of them have done nothing but sort of just dare to entertain the kids and makes us feel kind of bored and somewhat annoyed of their episodes spotlight. One day I WILL Make an AU For Rebecca along with Kana and Bruno. Both of these characters must have potential. And if not it's like we're just throwing them into the bin without giving them a chance. I can’t promise if I make an AU video Mostly because I'm busy in life right now BUTT With a little hope, Maybe I'll have a chance. If I get one of course.
Considering they all have the same designer (father) (Norman neville Denis and Rebecca) they should all be brothers and sisters. And as norman and Dennis are the same class it technically chpild mean that they are twins. As for merlin he would be a sort of adopted son and merlins brothers and sisters would be like step brothers and sisters to Rebecca. By human standards tjis is wierd ad heck but its thr only way that makes sense by who designed them. ( This while thing is kinda wiers tbh , but also interesting so im for it ig)
Fun fact, after the failure of the Leader, Bullied came here to Ireland and designed the also ill-fated Turf Burner, the last steam locomotive built in our country.
@@JacqueTheInsaneEngineit’s an engine that runs on peat instead of coal, but I’m sure that’s not what you meant. Turf Burner (also known as CIÉ CC1) was an interesting locomotive. Think of him as a green Leader with weirdly slanted cab edges or something. You’ll know what I mean when you see a picture of it.
5:33 The Coronation Scot is behind as well. If u know enough about them, the Princess Coronation class is a Stanier design, making them brothers/ sisters to Duchess of Loughborough and Duchess of Hamilton. Making them distant cousins to the Gresley's
great video! i always like to thing that the fat controller fixed dennis' engine problems and when he then proved good working, the fat controller build another one for himself: norman
I hear everyone talking about how Neville and Norman are distant cousins of Rebecca and yeah that’s insane to think but, I’m frankly surprised that nobody has talked about how Thomas and Stepney are… COUSINS?! yeah, they’re cousins! uh…. i really don’t have anything to back this up besides the fact that they’re both LB&SCR engines. yeah idk how either lol
Imagine this if Thomas was based off American railroads, the entire family tree would be one 2 hour long video covering 90 percent of the characters..."OK, so they're all Baldwin Locomotives..."
Part of me wants to think Norman was a new build on Sodor - we don't really ever get those... Cool we've steam and diesel cousins. Would merchant navies factor any differently? Maybe they could tie to the Gresley as Bulleid was his assistant
He has one of two basis’: the Furness Railway K2 and a North Eastern Railway 4-4-0 which apparently resembles him more. If Edward is a hybrid of both, he’s related to Albert, Victoria and potentially Whiff.
I feel like in my headcannon Norman was a class 08 that had a bad crash and Oliver bullied had helped rebuild and Norman into his workshop and made him look like 11001 to try to make him like dennis and it worked so technically in my head cannon he is a half bullied so Dennis's half brother Loved the video though!
So I just watched the Gordon one and the comments are disabled, thanks UA-cam. Henry is presumably still Henry because his face/smoke box is the sentient part? I would say engines in the same class are brothers and engines by the same creator are at least cousins. Henry would be a step-cousin to the Gresleys. And Merlin would be a half-cousin to the Bullieds, in my mind. That's all, I've enjoyed both of these videos thank you.
I think, of rebecca, our sister or brother, names Klaya, and one party of rebecca's family last to first, molly/happy/yellow/smile, get ready too, adventures sodor?
And although he doesnt appear in the tv series, he is a brother to rebecca, so i'll add merchant navy aswell, making him merchant navy bulleid! Along with all the other surviving battle of britain class engines
Neville’s story is about that there is more than meets the eye. Also Dennis’s class being unsuccessful could explain his lazy personality. Another theory and possibly a head cannon, Dennis brought Norman to Sodor since his engine class was being scrapped. By the way the Bulleid Class Locomotive named after Winston Churchill could’ve made the Hit Era better.
Also I’m pretty sure Richard Maunsell redesigned the LBSCR L Classes into tender engines, and the L Classes and the E2s are both designed by L.B Billington
I think the reason Theo Lexi and Merlin all are hiding in some undisclosed location is because they are trying to escape being scraped but we’re saved from scrap by the steelworks that Frankie and hurricane work at and now Merlin takes steel from the mainland to sodor pretty rarely which is why we only saw Merlin once after journey beyond sodor. This is just a theory not what actually happened.
I find it really strange that these characters are all connected, they've never known each other before, and they all get bullied by crashing into things how both really weird and strange is that both dudes and dudettes.
6:07 true words have never been spoken because if we had a battle britain class in the model series then it would be introduced in season 3 where we'd get a battle Britain class named Rebecca who would make for a great season 3 character who would make a return in season 21.
Maunsell is actually said as "mon-sell" NOT "man-sell", lol, sorry.
Now make the family tree of edward
Ok
I need Thomas's family
@@daneshyumna1379 I just said that as well just saw this
And you called Richard Merlin for some reason
4:30 Cool to see you’re a Rebecca fan too. Don’t get me wrong she was rushed into the series, but personality wise. I think her optimistic perspective would clash beautifully with the cynical edge of the other big engines.
Honestly yeah, she bounces off the others (especially Gordon) *incredibly well*. One of my favorite parts of writing her is just how alien to the strives of the Big Engines she is.
I think there are quite enough happy and enthusiastic characters in the show.
I agree. And her flaw being trusting and gullible could work if we paired her with deceitful characters like Diesel (Outside of Diesel Do Right)
@@IsleofPigsStudios Indeed! She's also got a ton of self-image issues as seen in "What Rebecca Does", which are quite fun to toy with.
@@Dorothy.Vivian
I mean, you’re not wrong, but very rarely is the happy-go-lucky character and Express Engine. Normally characters who pull the express act very high class and prestigious.
I think a Robert Riddles family tree would be fun, he designed the BR standard engines which includes the 9F (Murdoch) and the 4MT tank (Belle)
Bagnall would be interesting too
Includes Bill, Ben and Dart
As a big Q1 enthusiast, let me share my knowledge. The Q1 class were built with modified Lord Nelson boilers that were either left unused or built under that design. It contributed in the incredible power Q1s that they were known for. The Lord Nelsons were just super King Arthurs both in size and looks. Neville is still distant cousin to Merlin, but much closer than any other Bulleid steam locomotive, even to Rebecca who has Bulleid boiler.
TL;DR: Neville has a modified Maunsell boiler and Bulleid chassis, wheels, and other mechanics. A true Frankenstein locomotive.
It's insane to think Dennis and Neville are cousins of Rebecca
I just find it funny how the thumbnail implies that she’s their mother lol.
Yeah. Even though Rebecca’s basis should be used for a male character named after Winston Churchill 🇬🇧.
@@eastlancsesteemwhy do you keep saying that? How is it relevant to the subject of this comment?
One fun fact: All four Southern-based engines are seen together in Seeing is Believing! Thomas (LBSCR), Merlin (LSWR), Rebecca (SR) and Salty (SROBR).
Wait, thomas and salty are somehow in this too?
@@pwsthetankengine3259they were both built by railways which were adapted into Southern Railway
Fun Fact: Bullied used to work for the Great Northern Railway, so maybe some of the engines in this video are related to Emily?
true, he WAS an assistant to Gresley
Might not be to Emily but Gordon, Spencer, Flying Scotsman, and other Gresly engines. Emily was designed by Stirling while Bulleid was an apprentice under his successor, Henry Ivatt, and later became Gresly assistant.
@@thinaphonpetsiri9907 yeah I see your point
How about Ryan?
Neville could have also been bullied because of his class having several… not so impressive nicknames, like “Ugly Duckling.”
It’s crazy to think how Dennis and Neville are relatives of rebecca
Yea!!!❤❤❤❤❤
Ikr
And Norman wtf
Yes ❤
I didn’t even know hit toy characters have relations to Rebecca, even though they never appear in cgi
Fun fact- Duck, Bill, Ben, Jinty, and Dart are all related. They were designed and built by W.G.Bagnall so thier last names are "Bagnall"
Would love to see a family tree on the Bagnall family!
I thought duck and oliver were cousins..
Rebecca literally being called the Banana Bulleid 🤣🤣
It's kinda funny how Rebecca, Neville, Dennis, Merlin and Norman are somehow related.
And Gordon's express coaches
Don’t Forget the mailvans!
Only Neville and Dennis are canon. No need for Norman or Rebecca. Waste of potential for HiT era characters that would make the CGI series better.
I genuinely forgot that the express coaches were Maunsell designs (and was unaware of the Mail coaches), so seeing that appearance was quite the surprise.
I did know about the BLP in Series 9, but had no idea which one it specifically was, so that was very neat as well. I don't really have much else to say, but I'm with you in the Rebecca fan-minority, always love the queen getting proper recognition for what she does. :P
Grand video!
I think I was the one who sent those screenshots of ol Winny in a GC in Discord.
10 likes and this 10 hours old the video
Nah, her basis should have been used for a male character with a different paintwork.
@@eastlancsesteem Seethe and mald, my guy, I couldn't care less.
Becky for life, forever. :>
@@SudrianShenanigans Bug off! Your crappy woke character’s basis should be used for a better and more important character called Winston (named after Winston Churchill 🇬🇧).
A fun fact, Bullied also had a heavy hand in the development of the A4 wedge shape, Double Kylchap chimney use on the LNER, The W1 and P2s
At all leeds back to the Greasleys
SANDWICH GRESLEY! BANANA BULLIED! It makes sense!
Neville somehow related to the express coaches is funny as hell lmao 😂
This was a great family tree video Adam and I really love this one. Although I think the next one should definitely be about the Skarloey engines as I'm interested to see where that goes. Keep up the good work Man.
Honestly, this video really made me question whether or not rolling stock and engines would consider themselves relatives
I have no evidence for this, but this is the headcanon I had for Dennis and Norman:
Dennis is the real life diesel, he had the exact same stories, the real life one, except when he was about to be put up for scrap the fat controller bought him (Fatt Hatt has a affinity for prototypes.)
Kervens gate fixed a lot of the issues the diesel had, even if Dennis would still occasionally breakdown. However, despite his engine being more-or-less fixed, Dennis was a very lazy diesel, meaning that the fat controller commissioned a diesel of his same class to be built to help even out the workload. Luckily, it turned out. Norman was a far more eager to work engine.
I love this idea, and it makes sense, considering that Gordon (whom Awdry confirmed was a fictional prototype to Nigel Gresley’s A1 Pacific class), Percy (a heavily hybridized tank engine with several real-world inspirations), Daisy (a single-unit railcar whose real-world equivalents were multi-unit), and Stanley (another hybridized tank engine based on two different classes) all found a home on the North Western Railway.
They should have just brought Dennis to CGI. No need for Norman.
That does make a lot of sense narrative-wise, but does it really make financial sense for Crovan's Gate to build a whole new engine just because one's lazy? Thus paying maintenance cost for two engines for the revenue of one engine?
Fun Fact: Toby and Hurricane are related, they're cousins.
Murdoch and Belle are also cousins as well.
Molly is also Toby and Hurricane’s cousin.
Fun fact. Gordon is older than the flying Scotsman was built in 1923. Meanwhile Gordon was a prototype built in 1920
Great video. I could totally see an episode where Rebecca strikes up a friendship with her cousin Neville, maybe touch on his past of being bullied in it and how Rebecca reacts to hearing about it.
I now just realized
Neville, Dennis, Norman, Rebecca and Merlin are distant cousins with two Irish turf burning steam locomotives
Only Neville and Dennis should exist. The two locomotives look nice and unique, so they are canon.
You’re referring to the CIÉ Turf Burner aren’t you? The last steam locomotive built in Ireland.
In theory, the Bullieds could all be related to the Gresleys because Bullied was trained by Gresley
Oh man, I am glad you did Rebecca's family tree! I knew her direct linage and you hinting Merlin being her distant cousin of sorts, but I had no idea the express coaches and Percy's mail vans are cousins on Merlin too. That has me laughing so much and I think just the fact they are considered realted is has funny story potential. I think Gordon would just be dumbfounded how his prestige express couches are realted to a ecestentic character like Merlin. I never even thought of rollingstock characters being related to engines, till now. This is 10/10 for me.
In defense of Dennis and Norman exisiting in the same universe, well Awdry has made up extra engines that never existed before such as Bear. It's not that bad.
It's really a shame there was nothing done with Norman. Like I read his wiki before and according to it, he wants to be popular with the engines regardless of what fuel they run on and is such a overworks himself because he loves working, despite breaking down a lot. Like it does sound simallar to Derek, but unlike Derek, Norman was on the bad guys side fro a bit, while Derek would never doing such a thing. Perhaps, Norman saw that steam engines seems to get special privlage in his eyes while diesels like him get shafted.Of course, he is wrong, because Topham loves all his engines, but still. It would've been great to see Norman try to impress everyone and agree with everyone's veiw points just so they could like him, only learn that that isn't the way to go to have true friends and be true to your own self. Heck, they could've borught Dennis back and interact with his brother. THey are both opposite charactrs and would've been interesting to explore thier realtionship. Apprently. Norman was thrilled to find hsi twin was on Sodor, but how does Dennis feel about Norman? Paxton, Sidney, Den, and Dart got character to them in the Brenner era while poor Norman got a crumb. It just sucks.
Hmmm as for another family tree, I think Duck would be a fun one. I know he and Oliver are cousins based on having the same designer. However, if you take into consideraton of builders....oh boy there is a whole lot to work with. I'll say it'd make Bear, Dart, and a few others that we know his cousins. Heck, I'd be interested in seeing a Diesel family tree video. It would say it could be too predictiable seeing we know all os his brothers in the show, but you know, since the curve ball with the rollingstock, I'd be interested if there was another curve ball thrown in there when it coems to Diesel's family tree.
I’d be all up for more of these family trees. Toby’s might be a bit interesting.
I mean...it WOULD make sense, if Norman was a "New Build" using the plans of Dennis's basis"
Norman isn’t canon.
@@eastlancsesteemwhat’s your problem with him?
I knew you were gonna make a family tree video about Rebecca and I didn’t know that that Merlin is kinda of related to Rebecca, Neville, Dennis and Norman since Merlin’s for funnels were built by Oliver Bulleid and you should make a family tree video about Duck and Oliver next since they were both build by Charles Collet.
I'm so happy you brought up WC, Shildon museum is local to me and seeing it in person is awesome, as soon as I saw this vid pop up I was really hoping it would be brought up! One thing I love about this family is the wheel design, so cool!
TBH, I actually like Rebecca too; it was a nice breath of fresh air to see a T&F character with a positive optimistic attitude. But I do agree that she was brought onto the TV series too late and too quickly. They should've brought Rebecca on earlier and slowly. This was done with Emily and, though she's a misunderstood character, she's a fan favorite.
Little known fact about Oliver Bulleid: he used to work for Sir Nigel Gresley and had a hand in developing some of Gresely's engines like the A4 (Spencer's basis). So, like the Maunsell family tree, the Gresley family tree is somewhat connected to Bulleid's. So, Rebecca and Merlin could somewhat be related to Spencer, Gordon, and Flying Scotsman.
Man Thanksgiving must feel really weird in the Maunsell household
Rebecca actually grew on me. I don’t mind Rebecca as much
Her and other crappy modern characters never grew on me.
Rebecca kinda reminds me of Molly. I find it a shame that she got screwed over by Mattel and now fans hate her for what happened.
In my opinion this is how a thomas family tree works
. Same engine type + same designer = brothers/sisters (gordon, scotsman)
. Different engine type + same designer = cousins (gordon, spencer)
. Same company = step siblings (gordon, emily since the GNR was amalgamated into the LNER)
If you have any other ideas pls comment
We need more engine family trees. I don't care which engine it is, I just want more of this series.
Its just shocking that coaches and mail cars are technically siblings to steam locomotives so what a crazy family tree
I don't mind the fact that two BR 11001s somehow canonically exist in the Thomas universe. I'm sure there's people out there who have made some kind of theory to why two of them exist, but since by like Series 8, or heck, even by Series 6 or 7, the universe seems to be its own thing with things that occur in real life being nonexistent for the most part, it doesn't matter all too much to me. I mean, in the same universe, characters like Carly, Cassia and the Chinese diesel exist despite being 21st builds and Ian McCue confirming that the show takes place in the late 50s-early 60s. Besides as controversial as this opinion may be but I don't thing characters real life/Railway Series build dates apply for the characters in the TVS. That last sentence didn't have anything to do with the video, I know but I thought it would add to my thoughts on Dennis and Norman coexisting.
I’ve seen the Q at York many times, and Winston Churchill was one of my favourite locos on a visit to Shildon, but it never crossed my mind that they’re related.
I would love too have seen an episode where all 5 of these engines interacted
This is a great family tree next. Can you do Thomas Family tree I like Rebecca to
THE BANANA BULLIED - best words in da world
So if all engines inherit their builder's name, Rosie's last name is Hill. Since the SR USA Class/USATC S100 Class was designed by him.
I genuinely cant wait for this video i love these family tree vids!
I see Norman as a fictional add-on character to his class, like Donald and Douglas.
I thought I was gonna gain a migraine when you brought up the fact that the express coaches & Utility vans built by Richard Maunsell are technically related to Merlin! Man, what a twist! But another job well done sir!
Would have been cool to see Neville and Dennis interact since they were both cousins introduced in the same season
I feel that the reason a lot of older fans of the show dislike Rebecca (and likely Nia) Is because their introduction resulted with removing some of the OG characters from the main team in order to balance the gender representation of the crew. There would likely have been better received if they had been added to one of the secondary crews for example the "little Western" or being based in one of the other locations like Vicars town as most of the engines are currently associated with the Tidmouth /Knapford/ Farquarr area at the other end of the island or the Brendham branch and quarry, building a new crew near the mainland would have allowed more interaction with non-sodor engines and given the new additions their own spotlight and opportunities for the writers to make stories revolving around some of the less seen engines like they did for the Mid-Sodor and Skarloey engines in the model series.
I would love to see Thomas’s family tree
He’s got an indirect connection to Stepney and Boxhill, that much is certain.
Any chance we could see thomas', Edward's or Toby's fanily tree? Or maybe the wacky family tree of percy, stanley, billy and charlie xD
Keep going, love thees types of videos.
I thought that instead of being scrapped, the King Arthur class with 3 funnels was re-converted back into a single funnel?
I can't believe no one Gave this family tree idea, i Would like to see Diesel's family tree
I was already mind-blown for most of th vid. Then he mentioned the expeesss coaches and mail trucks and I lost my mind.
Oh man, I've been waiting for another of these! Wonderful video!
Those neville parallels are hilarious 😂
since dennis’ number is 11001 that probably means norman’s number is 11002.
"A bullied Bulleid who was bullied for being a diesel shaped Bulleid"
BARS BRO
What about "Neville bulleid who was being bullied for looking like a diesel shaped bulleid being bullied
Honestly i wish the show and other fan made episodes made stories about the engines realtionship with other engines like what awdry did with gordon and scotsman
The whole Norman and Dennis co-existing never really bothered me. There’s precedent for that in the series prior. Donald, Douglas, and most of the numbered diesels in the series shouldn’t exist; their numbers come after the irl last numbers of their classes. Skarloey and Rheneas are both fictional duplicates of their one-off bases as well. What does boggle me a bit more is the idea that they’re supposed to be twins. Their faces look so different, and Norman’s clearly has an older look to it compared to Dennis. It becomes especially weird if Dennis is indeed to original 11001 and Norman is the fictional duplicate (“11002,” you might say), cuz that’d mean Dennis is older. I have a whole convoluted headcanon for how that works out, but left as is, it’s weird
I really enjoyed watching this video, Honestly Rebecca is kind of mid to me. She was sort of just there to sweep Emily “under the rug” if you know what I mean. Along with Nia, Both Of them have done nothing but sort of just dare to entertain the kids and makes us feel kind of bored and somewhat annoyed of their episodes spotlight. One day I WILL Make an AU For Rebecca along with Kana and Bruno. Both of these characters must have potential. And if not it's like we're just throwing them into the bin without giving them a chance. I can’t promise if I make an AU video Mostly because I'm busy in life right now BUTT With a little hope, Maybe I'll have a chance. If I get one of course.
loved the comedy in this one Adam!
4:49 Omg that’s shildon railway museum! That’s my local rail museum! Nice!
Considering they all have the same designer (father) (Norman neville Denis and Rebecca) they should all be brothers and sisters.
And as norman and Dennis are the same class it technically chpild mean that they are twins.
As for merlin he would be a sort of adopted son and merlins brothers and sisters would be like step brothers and sisters to Rebecca.
By human standards tjis is wierd ad heck but its thr only way that makes sense by who designed them.
( This while thing is kinda wiers tbh , but also interesting so im for it ig)
Fun fact, after the failure of the Leader, Bullied came here to Ireland and designed the also ill-fated Turf Burner, the last steam locomotive built in our country.
What was this turf-burning engine?
@@JacqueTheInsaneEngineit’s an engine that runs on peat instead of coal, but I’m sure that’s not what you meant. Turf Burner (also known as CIÉ CC1) was an interesting locomotive. Think of him as a green Leader with weirdly slanted cab edges or something. You’ll know what I mean when you see a picture of it.
Thomas' family tree would sound interesting.
A wasted opportunity for Rebecca and Norman to interact with each other
They’re not canon, so nothing was wasted.
@@eastlancsesteemyes they are.
@@joshuaW5621 No. Not in my head cannon.
@@eastlancsesteem maybe in your headcanon, but not in the actual show like you were trying to suggest.
@@eastlancsesteemtoo bad. No one cares about your head cannon
Maybe you can do Edward's family tree next
5:33 The Coronation Scot is behind as well. If u know enough about them, the Princess Coronation class is a Stanier design, making them brothers/ sisters to Duchess of Loughborough and Duchess of Hamilton. Making them distant cousins to the Gresley's
So, what you’re saying is that family trees down south can be quite confusing?
Narrow gauge family next please
Wait if engines are given family trees by their designers would that make Percy an orphan since he isn’t based off an actuall engine???
Banana
bullied goes hard
great video! i always like to thing that the fat controller fixed dennis' engine problems and when he then proved good working, the fat controller build another one for himself: norman
Shippers are gonna be having a feild day
I hear everyone talking about how Neville and Norman are distant cousins of Rebecca and yeah that’s insane to think but, I’m frankly surprised that nobody has talked about how Thomas and Stepney are… COUSINS?!
yeah, they’re cousins! uh…. i really don’t have anything to back this up besides the fact that they’re both LB&SCR engines.
yeah idk how either lol
No, Stepney‘s designer was William Stroudley, Thomas’s was Lawson Billington.
@@joshuaW5621 Ah.
I don't mind things being weird And also, I'm getting a thrill out of these kinds of video.
I love these family tree episodes !!!
So fun! love to see more
so dumb question is the oil leaking from Dennis's vent a real problem with the real desal i always wondered that
1:37 just remember you wrong. Fun fact he made in few cgi episode so not one off thing but might be he just there as fan service.
Imagine this if Thomas was based off American railroads, the entire family tree would be one 2 hour long video covering 90 percent of the characters..."OK, so they're all Baldwin Locomotives..."
Part of me wants to think Norman was a new build on Sodor - we don't really ever get those...
Cool we've steam and diesel cousins.
Would merchant navies factor any differently?
Maybe they could tie to the Gresley as Bulleid was his assistant
Ngl I love these family vids we need another one maybe since they great in my opinion
8:17 omg 1st In series fir family tree to be train cargo in it.
THX U
I want Edward’s family tree next.
He has one of two basis’: the Furness Railway K2 and a North Eastern Railway 4-4-0 which apparently resembles him more. If Edward is a hybrid of both, he’s related to Albert, Victoria and potentially Whiff.
I feel like in my headcannon Norman was a class 08 that had a bad crash and Oliver bullied had helped rebuild and Norman into his workshop and made him look like 11001 to try to make him like dennis and it worked so technically in my head cannon he is a half bullied so Dennis's half brother
Loved the video though!
So I just watched the Gordon one and the comments are disabled, thanks UA-cam.
Henry is presumably still Henry because his face/smoke box is the sentient part?
I would say engines in the same class are brothers and engines by the same creator are at least cousins.
Henry would be a step-cousin to the Gresleys.
And Merlin would be a half-cousin to the Bullieds, in my mind.
That's all, I've enjoyed both of these videos thank you.
I think, of rebecca, our sister or brother, names Klaya, and one party of rebecca's family last to first, molly/happy/yellow/smile, get ready too, adventures sodor?
And although he doesnt appear in the tv series, he is a brother to rebecca, so i'll add merchant navy aswell, making him merchant navy bulleid! Along with all the other surviving battle of britain class engines
It’s sad that Norman got neglected
Neville’s story is about that there is more than meets the eye. Also Dennis’s class being unsuccessful could explain his lazy personality. Another theory and possibly a head cannon, Dennis brought Norman to Sodor since his engine class was being scrapped. By the way the Bulleid Class Locomotive named after Winston Churchill could’ve made the Hit Era better.
The express coaches count, because in Thomas Gets Tricked, the coaches speak.
Random Question: Since the father of Thomas’ designer also worked at the LBSCR, would that make Engines like the E4s and C2s his “Grandparents”?
Also I’m pretty sure Richard Maunsell redesigned the LBSCR L Classes into tender engines, and the L Classes and the E2s are both designed by L.B Billington
I think the reason Theo Lexi and Merlin all are hiding in some undisclosed location is because they are trying to escape being scraped but we’re saved from scrap by the steelworks that Frankie and hurricane work at and now Merlin takes steel from the mainland to sodor pretty rarely which is why we only saw Merlin once after journey beyond sodor. This is just a theory not what actually happened.
I find it really strange that these characters are all connected, they've never known each other before, and they all get bullied by crashing into things how both really weird and strange is that both dudes and dudettes.
Bro got bullied for being bullied 💀💀
I enjoyed both of the family tree videos! Can you please do Emily's family tree?
8:16 looks like the number in the CGI has the same number as the scraped one
6:07 true words have never been spoken because if we had a battle britain class in the model series then it would be introduced in season 3 where we'd get a battle Britain class named Rebecca who would make for a great season 3 character who would make a return in season 21.
Bulleid Madness: "A Bullied Bulleid that was Bullied for being a Diesel-shaped Bulleid"
we getting out of the scrap yard with this one 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🗣🗣🔥
6:20 this is true. Very true.