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We are plotting the purge. You don't get to run around and threaten to stab people with a metal spike. And say they are domestic terrorists if they don't use drugs. It collapses basic tenets of nonviolence on which a basic free market economy is built. That's gone. We are waiting for the right conditions. And 90 percent of people will be removed.
Intresting point of view. Perhaps you would be intrested to explore the defination of true man from major religion in world point of view to find solution on “why man checking out from society”. Not sure about other religion, but Islam has comprehensive description & discussion on the qualities of true man. Would suggest you to explore the topic with Dr. Omar Suleiman or Ustd Nouman Ali Khan.
Great question. As a guy who lives in a society that doesn't hate men nor its majority population, I can understand why my male counterparts in Europe and the US would want to check themselves out while their countries keep pandering to whamenz and racial or sexual minorities all the time. Their response is sad but logical, since they aren't gonna make a revolution to regain what was taken from them anyway. The best option is to let society burn itself and take as less responsibility as you can (other than supporting yourself I suppose).
They have the chip in the head mate. People have had this tech for a long time now. Eyes and ears are hackable, along with the ability of devices to read non-verbalized speech (inner speech/thought). The way you can tell if the eyes are hacked, is that any "hacked visions" are in two dimensions like how you view normal screens, and its overlaid over your 3D normal vision. These devices know your emotional state based on body frequency - eg when you are anxious, relaxed, asleep, etc. They can all be integrated with other smart tech, like phones, TV's, computers, etc. Maybe you might like "thought" induced product/service specific targeted advertising :) The more they roll out that tech, the checked-out people will increase, it eventually demoralises to the point of hopelessness.
Why are men checking out of this feminist society? Because we have two options. Men can renounced their toxic masculinity and choose to be trans women and still be hated by women. Or they can remain men and have no role or value in this feminist society, they can stay home and not fix society. Women don't need men. They can fix society and make it worth mens time again or we can all die playing video games.
Truer words never spoken - I LOVE it now that I am divorced and out travelling the world. If I don't want to see people - I don't. If I do, I do. My choice, my responsibility. Zero nags! Priceless!
@BrianBaileyedtech And this is how I feel too! I don't have to feel like it's a "big ask " to expect friendship from my partner. I have sex with the men I want as long as they act the way I like and when they don't I move on. I move on when it's no longer fun or it becomes too much work. But I see men on these threads are really angry that women are living my kind of lifestyle, now. They are angry because we just walk away from difficult non cooperate partners. But my life is so much better for me this way.
@@christinefury1040i see nothing but happy men in these threads, rarely come across angry men in these threads 🤨. Men are happier not dealing with the social norm cater to a woman lifestyle and im truly happy seeing them finally wake up.
As a white man working overtime and being looked by modern women and society as worthless, it made me realize I just need to live for myself going forward. I found peace, freedom and I stopped being manipulated and taken advantage of.
I am a young black man can you believe that the white man and the black man are the two most hated groups in America? It is either a white guys fault or a black guys fault this is why black men are leaning more right and leaving the Democratic Party if you think you have it bad you should see in the black American community what they think of black men😂😂 and let’s not mention interracial marriage. I am the son of west African Liberian immigrants so I am an outsider in the black American community.
good for you; and me too: here in Vancouver, BC, Kanuckistan, most of the ladies - primarily 2nd+ generation 1's - are absolute bitches: solipsistic; rude; cunning; cold; narcissistic; and steely! RGB-Y3 out!!!
@@sole__doubt Guys like Chris will have access to all they would want even if every single person in this group got laid tonight. As someone who has hung out around HV men lots of times, I don't think you understand how confidently they can just take a walk out somewhere and ask around and get yeses. Even if there is somehow less around, this isn't going to dent that chance or mindset for him. Hell, it doesn't me, and I am way less attractive and poor and still have my own 15+ body count in the last couple years and a GF. But then again, I went and aimed for things to get where I am I know none of these people would agree to finding things like swinging and such parties and social events beneath them.
I’m 62, divorced for 10 years now. I played by the rules, worked hard, stayed faithful, didn’t drink or do drugs, came straight home to my family each night. Yet my ex stopped cooking and cleaning as a SAHM, started gaining considerable weight, developed mental issues, and when she decided to break up the family, she was legally entitled to half of everything I had built over 52 years, along with a good chunk of my retirement. What do you think my advice to my 21 year old son is regarding marriage?
marriage can be great, but the problem is men often approach it for the wrong reasons - love instead of business. the contract is in place because she's raising YOUR kids and forgoing her career and a prenup is in place to protect her so she's not destitute if you trade her in for younger model (but also, she's not incentivized to leave - she should feel pain, not a reward). That's where I think you messed up - it's a business to have kids. not we love each other (hopefully that's part of it).
I'm late 30s. My wife NEVER STARTED cooking and cleaning, lol. Ok, I'm exaggerating. After years of training (raising?) her she now cooks one meal every week for our toddler. I make 10-15 times as much money as the national average, don't drink or do drugs, I am always with my family, and it all doesn't matter. The joke I was trying to crack is that things have deteoriated for generations younger than yours. And I keep in touch with the generation now entering their 20s, and it is EVEN WORSE there. If you asked your 20ish girlfriend to cook a meal while you are at work she would call the police on you or slit your neck. I hope things turn out well for you, and you know, not just because I think you are where I will be 5 years from now on, haha. Stay strong, my friend.
The concept that wanting a family is a muscle that is developed through observation is fascinating. Having grown up in a toxic family I was left with 0 interest to give it a try.
A sad outcome. 4 kids 2 divorces, and fuck knows how many 100s of thousands cost, first came penniless, second with thousands of debt. Yes my fault, I do have 4 great up children. However the UK divorce laws are heavily weighted in favour of the wife, happily my second divorce was under French law enabling me to retain assets I acquired prior to marriage. I still cost over half of the marital home. Will not make the same mistake again.
Men are NOT used to seeing they can raise kids. Most plots end at wedding not the 10 years of raising lil annoying kids which is sorta a lot of work so not fun to see. Actual men interracting with toddlers is forbidden on TV. In home life the women rush to cuddle the kids so men don't get it there.. So yeah us men see kids as foreign, it's like asking a person do they want a free little airplane, we just imagine we will crash it we have no experience. In olden days the men could leave childrearing to women but now suddenly about 1 year old marriage we are told we will be left with baby for half day and maybe days, and we think that's scary ... Plus men have less familial instinct... Plus men dislike the new style of debating with wife and children every issue. . . Part modernity came around 1850, full in 1980, so us humans really maybe have no good way to cope ...
I have a highly unorthodox speculation the male/female sexual relationship is inherently exploitative and controlling on the part of the male. So in freeing women from exploitation, and subjugation, feminism has killed effectively killed sex. That's only a speculation on my part. I have no idea of whether or not that's true.
It all comes down to risk/reward. The vast majority of Men are simply not rewarded enough for the effort they put in. In many instances, they are punished for it.
exactly, I'll outline all of it from a 22 year old guys POV, we're expected to do so much and not only is it not rewarded but our effort is taken for granted and then the fruits of our effort are largely robbed from us either through taxes or family court so we're left either worn out with nothing to show for it in regards to work and any attempt we make to connect with women is punished and if by some slim chance we actually do get a girlfriend their mentalities and attitudes are very toxic and selfish and often they'll cheat on you or accuse you of something to get value from you using the legal system and the woman is just believed by default regardless of all but the most damning evidence to refute it keeping all that in mind it's no wonder young men like myself are just quitting because the only way to win a rigged game is to not play
Severely taken for granted. The lights are on, the shelves are stocked, the water is flowing, the food is growing, the production lines are moving. Men are the primary reason this thing we call civilization even works.
My mom, dad, sister and my deceased wife none of them gave or give a crap about me as a person and what I think or feel. I was and am completely expendable only something to be used. That’s motivating isn’t it……
I checked out of society and it’s the best decision I’ve made. I have no debt, been promoted twice, heathy and fit. Why? Because I have no drama and I can focus 100% towards myself. Men need to realize that checking out doesn’t necessarily mean being a cynical apathetic outcast. You can live your best life now without going along with the program. No need to participate in society that demonizes men. I learned my lesson after my divorce they you are just a utility.
I'm not sure you qualify as someone who's checked out of society if you've had two recent promotions. Checked out of dating maybe, but you're still clearly contributing to society.
I am happily married with 2 kids that are now out of high school. I am starting to work on myself now that my obligations are mostly finished. When I was younger I 100% took care of myself but I’ve slipped a little because my family came first. Now I have no excuses if I want to be healthy again.
If you married a b*tch, that's on you. If she divorced you because you're an arse, that's on you. Being a selfish narcissist isn't groundbreaking. Congrats on dying alone.
I divorced 16+ years ago. I have four adult children that I love unconditionally. I am often alone, but rarely lonely. The peace and calm that you have when you aren't having to cope with a narcissistic emotional disrespectful demanding judgmental person is amazing. I have some friends, and I have my dogs. That will be enough from here on out.
I am so sorry you had to live through that and never experienced a healthy relationship. I have a good friend that went through the same thing for years. We all stayed silent because it "wasn't our business" how he wanted to live. He is divorced now and so much happier.
@@Last_one_before_I_gosame. I’m 27 and want to get myself into a relationship or date again. Now that I know how women can be, I get unmotivated to date. I know I’ll just sharing her with somebody else, plus, the situation/relationship won’t last anyways. I was in a relationship for 2 years. I think it’s safe to say I was the “nice guy bf” that girls use once they are fed up with the shitty men. I know exactly….how women can move. I’ve seen divorces amongst my own family as well. I’m goodn
*“Women’s groups follow a double standard: When women lag behind men, that is an injustice that must be aggressively targeted. But when men are lagging behind women, that is a triumph of equity to be celebrated.”* ― Helen Smith, Men on Strike: Why Men Are Boycotting Marriage, Fatherhood, and the American Dream - and Why It Matters
People are asking what the definition of a woman is, if you asked them the same question about a man the same people would say, sexist, misogynist, lazy, murderers, child molesters, etc. etc. It's the same with the 'beauty' industry. Fat women, stunning and brave. Fat men, lazy slobs to be ridiculed.
I have kids with 2 women. It is a nightmare. This society has destroyed women’s minds. I’ve always put the children first. Their mothers have always put themselves first. I wouldn’t have believed the terrible things they were capable of if I hadn’t seen it and been affected by it myself.
That was the most shocking part for me as well. I didn't think Mom's could put their own "happiness" before their own kids well being. It blew my mind.
Why didn't you file for full custody of your children? You have grounds if mother is dangerous/abusive to children, has an addiction, untreated mental illness, etc. You are just as bad as these terrible mothers if you left them in custody of these women because you already see the danger to your own child.
If they were crazy it's possible, but they are borderline or narcissistic so the courts have no expertise in this area and women's groups are dead set against granting recognition of this area. @@jeromehenry4484
@jeromehenry4484 its extremely difficult to get legal custody away from a mother. You have to have a lot of proof that she is putting them in physical danger. Its not an even playing field.
The only woman with whom I successfully lived together long term in my 20's, with no disagreements, no financial stress and a lot of mutual love and respect, was... my mother.
I can't even say this. I can't quite relate to my parents, who really won't, or can't, properly understand or empathize with or teach me, as in me specifically, who I am, not some simplified, abstract child that doesn't need any consideration or individualized parenting. I'm not sure how my parents would have done with 'normal' kids either, neither of my two brothers are married or financially independent from each other, although the middle brother I think can just afford his townhouse on his salary. Pardon the rant, it sometimes slips out. The short of it is, I wish I could even have a good relationship with just ONE of my Parents. A girlfriend is just a pipe dream to me, when people more social than me, that make more money or have more charm, are also struggling. And there ain't a lot of good fish in the sea, so to speech.
@@namnack Maybe I have a mental block. I don't quite know what I'm feeling, faced with your offer. Probably fear? Or confusion. Either way, I guess I could try and keep a conversation going.
@@Yeetus223 good, but any onlyfans girl thats allowed to be a millionaire from doing nothing for society means we have failed at getting our priorities straight
Women aren’t to blame for that. It’s the pathetic men willing to participate and pay that are the problem. If men are paying, they are in turn signaling “hey this is what we want!”
I’ve done the same thing. Although as a woman, since I gave up on dating and decided to focus on career and health I’m shit on for being too independent, lol. Wasn’t my plan A, that’s for dang sure. But it’s peaceful, right? So there’s that.
Work is another can of worms. I'm in the top 5% earners in my country and can't afford a home. Taxes are ridiculous. Work is a waste of time. I got lucky with my woman though.
@@Shvabicu Here in S.F., I'm in the top 2% in the country, and can't afford a home for a family (leaking rat traps no included). Seems like if you stop dreaming of a nice home, you hardly need to work, as many other needs can be met rather economically, especially if you can cook.
I didn't really 'check out' of society voluntarily. It's more that society rejected me from the start. I was bullied throughout my childhood. I tried to date as an adult, but I was rejected. I'm nerdy, not good-looking, and have always been shy. Society made it clear from the start that I wasn't welcome. Society is made for attractive and extroverted people that like normie thing's like football and love island etc. I simply don't fit...
Nah, there are plenty of non-normie spaces. Sadly, it is almost exclusively made up by men, as women are pretty much only interested in the mainstream tabloid, low IQ bullshit. Still, no matter what your interests are, there are plenty of discords, reddits, facebook groups, forums, and whatnot. For example, I'm part of a Warcraft III World Editor forum. We also have a Discord. Trust me, it doesn't get much more fringe than that, haha.
As much as dating sucks now, this isn't absolutely true. Attractive introverts and ugly extroverts still can do okay. Be honest to yourself in what you want and work on yourself to get it. It is the only thing you can control. Maybe just date uglier girls? Western beauty is mainly an illusion anyway. 😂
It is not about being attractive. It is about being extroverted and sometimes with dark triad traits which helps in getting short if not long term relationship, or just hook up. Extroverted guy will allways get more attention than introverted or shy guy.
@303machine Been extroverted certainly helps, but looks matter a lot too, it's both really. It's also much easier to be a confident extrovert if you were good looking growing up as you are less likely to be bullied and will have more positive reinforcement. As for the dark triad thing, I think it's a bit of a red herring. I don't think acting dark triad is going to help a sub 5 guy or even a normie get a date, more likely to get you put in prison, lol. Like, if you are a tall gym fit chad who is a bit of a psyco, women will still date you and people will respect you out of fear. But if someone is a nerdy sub 5 and you try to act like that... it just won't come of the same way, you will get your ass handed to you pretty quickly lol.
I’m 39. 3 kids recently divorced. She started getting into SM hard about 2 yrs before our divorce. That turned into her wanting to party all the time and that turned into fighting. She eventually cheated with her supervisor from work at a “work party” and left us for him. She continued to immediately (days after she moved out) have him spend time with my children. We hadn’t even had papers filed yet. She would continue to use him to hurt me with our children. I’ve been cheated on and hurt in other ways by every single woman I’ve ever been in a relationship with. I’m done. I’ll die single. I won’t put myself through it all again.
So not true. Only in the lamestream media does that happen. On the streets, in the real world, there are real people who value the male mind, body and soul.
Guys are giving up because the vast majority of wømen are sharing the top 20 percent of men (maybe even less, like the top 10%). This is likely only going to get worse, not better…. because wømen really don’t care what most men are going through.
It’s really interesting to see whats happening. I think massively overvalued housing combined with the biased mechanisms of dating apps, decline of social skills and increase in alternative entertainment is leading men to just give up on wanting to purse relationships and it’s now causing a massive change in global social trends. We’re seeing a rapid decline in the number of people wanting to have children and men now deciding to totally step away from the dating/relationship scene, we’re potentially seeing the beginning of the collapse of a civilisation unlike anything we’ve ever seen before in history. I think most people get the feeling we’re at the end of an era and things are really starting to fall apart at this point, men giving up on relationships is a major escalation in the collapse of a society as we know it, will be an interesting period of history.
The fact that so many channels have to put up thousands (hyperbole) of disclaimers before they talk about men's issues is pretty damning evidence for the empathy gap for men and men's issues. The fact that we have to outright say "me talking about men's issues does NOT mean women's issues are less serious or not important" should be enough proof that men's issues need to be talked about more.
I think it was Bettina Arndt who spoke to feminist who admitted boys were falling behind in education. When asked what she thought should be done about, the feminist replied, "Wait 2,000 years and address it then." I don't give a rat's ass about feminist issues-WE OWE THEM NOTHING. Feminism. Fighting the oppression of selfish, obnoxious upper class females in the First World since 1848.
@@brianmeen2158 what dont you understand? the women of today were raised by the women you grew up with. What does that say about men back then? All those single mothers the men in your generation and earlier left in their wake. ask any modern woman and she'll eventually bring up how women were enslaved by your generation and earlier and thats why they do OF, boss babe strong independent dont need no man sht, market their bodies on social media etc as they dpnt want to end up like their mothers who grew up with men in your generation
Honestly I think we are all just burnt out. It’s expensive to simply exist and take care of yourself, let alone be available for another. If you commute and work 40hrs a week, those other two days simply aren’t enough time to reboot. Instead we’re running errands, cleaning, doing laundry, and attempting a social/creative life/downtime/processing of events or emotions. Is it really any wonder people prefer their, frankly, measly downtime alone?
The economy has finally caught up to me as well. I need to work 46 hours a week at a previously good paying job just to keep afloat. 23% inflation these passed few years cut everything I worked for for the last 30 years in half. And, I believe it was all by design.
@@NarwahlGamingI’m in the same boat. I finally obtained a good paying job that I like and almost a year later my apartment is sold because of the inflated real estate market. I now have to pay $1,000.00 more a month just to live somewhere decent and safe.
Why can't you function in that frame and single Boomers and Xers did? We didn't have money though you think We did. I worked 70-75 hours a week in my 20s and didn't whine.
This is why my goal has been leaning HEAVILY towards passive income (mainly investing). I want to get out of the ratrace as soon as possible. It also knocks me down a couple tax brackets to boot!
If a man shows you the generosity to love you and financially support you, appreciation and respect are due. My experience in marriage is that there are always things to work through as a couple, but open communication and respect go a long way. It’s not easy being a man at the moment. Glad you’re here, though, Mark. All the best.
The main motivation for men to do what we've been doing for thousands of years was to support a family. Nowadays that's no longer necessary so we're just checking out? Plus society has been telling us for decades that the future is female and men are not needed so we're just stepping back and letting the women handle it from now on. They're strong and independent, they got it.
Society used to be interesting, exciting, open, likable. But now, it is vicious, ugly, unlovable, close-minded, and whole-heartedly degenerate in vices. What we are seeing is what you'd expect given the 'inputs'.
Men have problems being productive because men lack accountability. They whine about women all the time and blame women and think that is accountability. Society has coddled men beyond measure. The only time most men can be productive is when another man is oppressing them. If not they get easily inebriated with something or the other. That is why most addictions affect men much more than women- p*orn, video games, sports, social media, alcholism and substance abuse.
Read the book the tipping point by by Malcolm Gladwell. It's a good book and the Bud Light Boycott is a good example of once you push things too far there are surprises for the elite. I've been past this point for sometime, but the masses seem to be getting there and the tipping point may finally be upon us. Congratulations western women you have driven men to just walk away.
Its an inevitable consequence of rising economic inequality. As times become tougher, people become more selfish to survive and society turns dog-east-dog. There is lots of data that shows that more economically unequal societies are more violent and politically volatile because everyone is fighting everyone all the time just to get by.
Society has become fragmented and atomised with different groups forced to live together without co-operation and trust. Large numbers of aliens are imported and generations are set against each other. Everybody hates boomers, but boomers had no more control over anything than any other generation have. Also, social media has made too many people think they're the star of their own show and everyone else is just an extra.
When society has apparently decided that you are to blame for every single bad thing in the world, it is perfectly natural to flip society the bird and walk away.
@@Michaeleism Actually, men tend to be much tougher on criminals than do women. Look to see who comprises the bleeding hearts that find excuses for criminals. Look to see who whines about murderers getting the Death Penalty.
As a man I just feel we've been beat down. We all get judged by women on the actions of like 10 maybe 15 percent of the male population. All the while women have higher and higher expectations. I don't date, I don't hookup. I work I have my hobbies I'm good.
Same, and now I couldn't care less about the judgments or the whining and crying. I just do the few things I love to do and tune out ALL the noise. It's so nice.
I'm turning 40 this year. Been single since last year and not really interested in having children or getting back into the dating markets. Most of my friends are either divorced or stuck in miserable marriages. I can relate
You forgot to mention, or you don't know - most of your married guy friends have wives that cheat on them. Most wives have sex with co-workers, their personal trainer(s), their bosses, and even go to gangbang orgies and come home and look their husband in the eye and tell him 'You haven't been there for me!' and throw tantrums, put on crying acts, all so they can keep exploiting and using their husband.
Well what if it was possible to spend time with new friends, those who are happily married. I have never seen somebody who says he is friend with millionnaires and he/she is still broke after 3 to 5 years. Most of the people we have who are in toxic relationships shape our unhelpful beliefs and narratives. This invisible trauma can take years to heal.
Biologically I'll never lose interest in women. The thought of love and intimacy will always be one of the most amazing things i have experienced. But there is social and civil norms in todays world that encourages bad and self serving behaviour that makes it too dangerous for me to take that leap of faith now. I just don't belong in the time we are living in
I deleted social media off my phone for just a day and I already feel clarity. Feel more free. It's crazy what can happen when we delete that toxicity from our lives. Start there.
But how do you cope with all the insanity you learned from social media? How do you live say by day while knowing that the crazies that are online can exist in real life too?
On a planned 90 day kick myself. Off all social media with the exception of messenger for family reasons. You will absolutely not regret taking that time for yourself. Being off social media so far has brought me so much peace, and after 3ish weeks I'm debating whether or not to extend the break for 6 months. Social media fuels our bad tendencies.
Because no matter what you do, how hard you work, be honest and try to do the 'right thing' or how much you try to please people; you can't f**ing win.
Truth, there’s only one person that rightfully deserves to be pleased, instead of using him to serve others ungratefully. You’re looking at him in the mirror
If you're doing the "right thing" for others then you don't deserve to win. You do the "right thing" because that's what you believe in. That way you're internally motivated and satisfied with life
@@mattthx50 You don't even need to cheat. Just use the rules of the system against itself. Why I think learning about Economics and Finance is important
My 16 yr old son caught his mother with another man. We separated after 17 yrs. He said to me he will never forget what she did and never look at women the same. He’s 18 now and he is into hookup culture. Told me he’s not interested in ever getting married or having a family with any of these girls. I never discouraged it but I know why he sees it like this.
@@untouchableghost6757 You are a lucky one. As western economies crumble, this crap will go away, as feminist empowerment is based solely on mens resources being funneled to them by government. Without excess of wealth those parasites can do nothing, as they themselves do not generate any value. As free money is drying up, women will have to adapt. Men as well, but to a far lesser degree. Women will whine and cry, as per usual, but most men already seen this whole "empowerment" crap and how it works. So they will be far more resistant to womens whining and demands. So women will have to learn to be feminine and reasonable, or starve. As amount of money they can get from Uncle Sam will diminish greatly. So by the time your 12 year old will enter dating world things will be going up. By the time younger enter it, it is a good chance that relationship balance will more or less equalize. Parasitism cannot last, as it eventually kills the host. We are pretty much there. West is going down the drain and fast. It will get much harder for everyone, but for some it will be so much worse. Men generate value and they do not need much. Modern western women, on the other hand, are used to get a LOT for nothing.
@@tiagocrypto I say I have two I have an adopted son and a real son but I was baby trapped with him…I’m having vasectomy next year and I pray to god everyday that I don’t have daughters 🙏 I can’t go back in time so I have to do the best I can in this world now 🌎 I’m also glad I never married!!
I have to say, its a blessing that I met my wife of 13 years at high school. I'm 36 now and I haven't had to experience any of this though sometimes, the feeling of being worthless has darkened my mind...a reflection on the society I am forced to live in. Best I can do is make my son strong, honest, compassionate, smart and brave enough to navigate his generations future adventures and struggles.
Gave up women ten years ago. My mental health has improved, I'm financially stable and extremely happy. I love life without complications. My experience of relationships with women were always negative. I don't need a woman to complete my life and never experience loneliness.
The combination of corn syrup, technology, things that are not "politically correct" to discuss, and even more have created a situation. 95% of the women that take care of themselves physically are in a relationship. The remaining 5% are outnumbered by single men 20 to 1. If you count women who do not take care of themselves physically its closer to even. I'm not one of those guys that says "I'm working on myself" or "going to the gym" because that stuff is mega f****** cringe. I mountain bike to clear my arteries so I can see what happens in 50 years (and the adrenaline), I exceed the 666 rule, but it doesn't matter because for every 1 single woman that takes care of herself physically there are 20 single dudes. Women can look at a guy and go "good head and face, funny, his extra 60 pounds don't matter" and I guess they assume men will therefore also overlook her extra 60 pounds but that just isn't how reality works. I could probably find someone who is 60 pounds overweight and needs someone to pay for her kids to go to college but I have a lot of stupid hobbies that I actually enjoy and would continue to have whether I was in a relationship or not so I'll have to pass on the chance for an overweight wife and paying for her kids' college. And the statistics about the number of single men actively in/non-in the market is kind of funny because for most of us whether we are in the market or not doesn't change anything. I could be in the market or not and the only thing it would affect is an Excel spreadsheet on some psychologist's desk. So I'll be in the market on Tuesdays and Thursdays unless it's raining in Paraguay and not in the market other days and full moons and lunar eclipses but solar eclipses are still okay if it's February in Texas
The primary drive for men doing something best out of the ability is the reward of getting a women. We are in a world where that is no longer the case, and so the drive just fades away.
change "woman" for "partner" and you'll be much more inclusive about it. (that and a hell of a lot more people are bisexual, but living in a heterosexual catered world, so they've never really questioned it, or had to)
If you meet a loner, no matter what they tell you, it’s not because they enjoy solitude. It’s because they have tried to blend into the world before, and people continue to disappoint them. Jodi Picoult
As a single man, maintaining a close relationship with my parents have become ever so important. Your parents get old and need help time to time and it's very rewarding. No one loves you more unconditionally than your decent parents.
Agreed. I'm an only child and grandchild. Lost my dad to cancer last year and all I have left is my mom, her parents, and my grandma on my dad's side. I'll never have a family of my own so I take care of my mom and her parents. It's not the life I thought I'd be living but nothing else ever worked out for me. At least my mom loves me unconditionally. It's a rather sad life when I think about it but I've never done well with women despite being a bit above average in looks and in the top .1% in terms of fitness/body.
I find myself deeply disillusioned with the state of the world. While I am by no means a violent individual, I am profoundly disheartened by the overall state of humanity. As a child, I held great expectations for adulthood, even in the face of significant hardships and unfortunate events within the system. However, upon reaching adulthood, I came to the stark realization that the reality before me seemed lackluster and disingenuous. It has become increasingly apparent that many aspects of our perception are illusory, and a prevailing sense of isolation permeates our society. I have observed that many individuals are primarily motivated by self-interest, leading me to question the authenticity of human connections. It appears that our world is built upon a foundation of deceit and pretense, with luck playing a significant role in determining one's success or failure. It is disheartening to witness how an honest, hardworking individual with a compassionate heart can be marginalized and perceived as a mere failure for not adhering to the unspoken rules governing the game of life. Such a state of affairs leaves me profoundly disappointed and sorrowful.
I can greatly empathize with what you wrote. At 45 yo, I feel about like you describe. I just disagree with where you concluded your thoughts. Examine history for context. At no point has humanity had it easy, have had a utopia. There has always been struggle. Embrace life and humanity as the imperfect mess it is and has always been. Embrace the struggle. Focus on your purpose and move on, ignoring the rest, and treating it as just a distraction.
This sounds like a typical realization that most people encounter as they grow up. The greater and nobler your previous idea of the world was, the more disappointed you are apt to be, so your feelings are understandable. There are good people out there, but most people aren’t selfless altruists. You can become successful if you work hard, but your financial remuneration is not perfectly correlated with your level of effort. It is shaped, by your courage, strategic thinking, tenacity, and yes, by luck.
@@deanomec Very well stated. This is how I live my life, seeking out the positive and giving back positive, rather than negative vibes. Too much focus on the negative can lead to everything people are expressing in here, feelings of defeat, negative thoughts and just simply, giving up. That strategy will lead to isolation and depression for sure.
i mean for me it was mostly because i was lied to most of my young life. i was told work hard, study, go to college, and you'll get a good job and find a wonderful feminine wife to marry and have kids with. welp, what actually happened was i ended up with loads of student loan debt, graduated college in 2010 and couldn't get hired because i had no experience and no woman would even look my way because i didnt make $100k/year at 23. at a certain point you come to realize the society you live in largely hates you, actively sabotages you, and lies to you in order to put you on a debt treadmill you'll never get off of. in short, when societies become predatory, people tend to drop out of that society and pursue something different. marriage, jobs and most of our social institutions simply exist to exploit or discard men. those that cant produce a profit are tossed in jail or condemned to live a life of poverty. i know a rigged game when i see it. sometimes the only way to win is not to play.
Exactly. I followed that script mostly and was lied to, manipulated and exploited. On jobs, in school, in friendships, in my birth family etc. I came to realize that I was an exploitable-not really seen as a real person but a tool to be used and discarded. I was filled with rage and eventually vowed to use my brain power to get even, punish those who EFFED me and EFF them back. I stayed silent , got rid of socializing, went to gym and got tip top fit healthy and stacked as much money as I could. I finally came up with a "freedom plan and was able to retire at age 58. The pandemic was actually a further bonus because I was able to set firmer boundaries with birth family because they saw me be prosperous and always had their hands out to be given something. And yes the women are greedy for money and pocket watch cobstantly. They almost EFFED me and one sibling made a critical mistake that showed me the bit-- would take all I had and leave me by the side of the road. I CLOSED my wallet then and there. Of course she stopped speaking. Good riddance. At age 69 I'm 11 years out of the system, and a lone wolf. I have speaking acquaintanceships, travel a little, exercise, meditate and pray a lot. This world is a damn racket but I managed to create my own world within it by rejecting conventional conformity and it's onerous burdens-and then what. Sigma male here for sure.
I feel the same way. I’m a civil engineer which is the lowest paying engineers typically and that’s not good enough for women. A few of my friends make 85-90k, more than 20k more than me and they get all the attention from the average girls. It’s tough out here for sure.
That's a lie. Currently in college and know people around the 20-25 age group that don't make no where near 100,000 but have girlfriends. Things in life don't get handed to you, women don't come because you make over 100,000 per year. Work on your personality and attributes
Fuck all this psychobabble. The reason we are losing interest in women is we are tired of getting screwed over, primarily money-wise, but sometimes emotionally as well.
I've always been an outsider whose never really fitted in, so it's my default state. As I've got older I've learnt to make peace with it and found acceptance. It's liberating and refreshing.
The most common and often used word to describe me, since I was about 12 years old, has been "odd". I don't see it as negative and it's rarely been used in a negative way. It's simply the recognition that I don't do, think or say what other people would. I've always considered myself, if not quite a square peg, certainly not round, and fitting into any hole has always required a lot of effort, effort that as I've aged I simply don't make for lack of any obvious rewards. After (another) redundancy, and a divorce, I retired in my early 50s and immigrated to Thailand. My intention was to live a solitary life with minimal interaction. I ended up helping a few people improve their English, things progressed and I ended up marrying an amazing Thai women. She was a high earning, well educated, corporate type, who retired at 40 to look after her parents. Her family thinks she's "odd", for not getting married, not having kids, giving up a great job, etc, but because I don't fit the foreigner stereotypes they think I'm "odd" as well. I guess that makes us an odd couple, but damn, we fit well together. We have so many shared values, views and simple wants, it's like I found the other shoe that made us a perfect pair. I don't know if you'll ever find your other shoe, but I hope you do, even if you don't, I hope not fitting in doesn't lead to a negative view of life.
Yeah I had the same issue where I could never fit in with any group, from my youngest age. The young days when I actually worried about that and kept trying to fit in was a worst time in my life. Now I look back and am actually amused that once upon a time I actually dreamed of being one of the stupid normies. :D The music these "cool" people listen to alone is probably enough to give me brain cancer.
1) tattoos 2) single mom with someone else's children 3) hair colors not found in natural hair 4) T shirts or any other clothing with 'empowerment' messages or "I'm Great' messages. Avoid these & you at least have a chance.
@@cordfortina9073depends I have one best mate I met at the age of 21 who I enjoyed working with. The rest of the colleagues were arseholes I wouldn't give time of day for. Overall your colleagues aren't your mates keep them at bay iv seen too many arselickers and back stabbers running in the office.
I’m 21, and pursuing girls in my teenage years with social media in the background was fcking brutal man. You’re competing with like hundreds of guys constantly fill one day you wake up and you’re like wtf am I doing? At the moment I just wanna make sure that the next person I let into my life is the right person. I know there’s no way to know that but in the meantime, maybe just grow as a person.
You are 100% right & I admire your attitude of learning who & how you are, what you what out of life & building a life that agrees with you before involving anyone else in it. As an elder, I wish I would have had presence of mind to get educated & build a suitable life for myself before involving anyone else in it & before creating another life. Congratulations on having your priorities right. Well done so far & when the time is right to expand your life, you will know it. I certainly wish you the best life has to offer bc you are young enough to enjoy the journey and reap the benefits from patience & good choices. ~
Take it from a gay man, I just totally reject social media. Even gay guys were fucked up by online cruising and they could get away with it. I have seen it from the beginning back in 1997, to the early 2000's when it was nice, but then grindr hit and it destroyed all the gay boys. I remember when I heard about women getting on the internet just a few years ago, maybe 8 years or so I knew it was not going to work. I always make this joke with transexual when they argue they have female gender, "what kind of women just wanders off into the bushes to have anonymous sex with a bunch of men? Women don't do that because any women who did that would have died a long time ago, gay men do that, they're just a gay man in drag. Men don't have a choice about male sex drive. And neither do women, there is no way women can go online. No way. Listen to me, You just have to have real good social skills in real life. Read eye contact, believe in yourself and directly approach real women who have real interest with you in real life. And then if you meet a women and you find out she was online, you break up with her. You just eliminate any women online from your life and only talk to real women in real life.
Always be set in your "ways". When my friends say I'm too set in my ways, I tell them I've always been set in my ways and as I aged, I made fewer exceptions.
Don’t fuck with women that have a relationship with their phone or any social media other than like YT. That will instantly eliminate all the trash. GL👍🏻✌🏻
I gave up on women over ten years ago. Life is just less stressful....less $$$$ is needed. Less material things are needed. Life is just easier without women.
I love how the old timer can't even contemplate young guys not being girl crazy. He's 100 percent right. Guys in his time would sign away their life and work any shyty job just to get peggy sue next door to marry them.
@@CatharticCreation His generation used porn just as today's generations do. Porn became a multimillion dollar business in the 1980s with expansion of men's ('adults only') magazines everywhere, and the expansion of VHS porn tape sales. It only got bigger as an industry in the 90's and 00's with the DVD. 1990 was 33 years ago. The mid 80s, when every city had a small market with a cordoned-off men's / adult magazine section (with mags like Hustler, Chic, Penthouse, High Society, and the like -- all with plenty of pics of nude women) was almost 40 years ago. So porn use is not a new thing. The main difference between now and back then is that in the 80s and 90s people actually dated. Now you have dating apps, where you swipe right or swipe left, discarding people all purely based on looks and superficiality. Totally materialistic way of treating other people. Then maybe you "get acquainted further" via text, which is really no way to get to know anyone. Online dating sites are just as bad, being filled with people already in relationships (30% according to a 2010's study) and bots -- and probably some real people as well. I'm a guy and I've had bots try to friend me on social media nearly every week -- fake names, stolen pics pulled from some woman's social media account, fake locations, the whole thing. All fake, and powered by bots. It's hard to find a genuine partner in a world of fake. It can be done, I suppose, but it's not likely. And that isn't even taking the divorce statistics into account. If the drive to pursue women has changed, it has to do with many other factors than porn use. Porn use is the symptom, the result, of a broken dating system and broken marriage institution. Not the cause of it.
@@CatharticCreation People liked porn just fine back in the day, it was just harder to come by because the Internet hadn't been popularized yet. I was in middle school in the early '90s and it was all Hustler magazine back then -- but boys will be boys, and Hustler used to move a lot of paper to feed material into the spank banks of horny teenagers, haha. It was the same for Boomers in the '60s.
I think it boils down to this. It's too much work when the prize is to be a woman's 2nd (or 3rd or 4th choice). There are enough alternatives and distractions available to men, to stave off feelings of loneliness, to make the extra effort involved in romancing a woman just not worth it. As my boss likes to say, "The juice isn't worth the squeeze". I'm in my 50s now and married with children but if 21 year old me stepped into a time machine in the early 90s and was teleported to 2024 I wouldn't even bother. My heart breaks for young people trying to navigate the relationship scene these days. It seems awful.
I've been single for 14 years and have been celibate for 7. Women and sex are a thing of the past for me and I'm doing better now than ever before in my life.
@@northernguy4262 I'm a 36 yr old female retired and I'm CONSTANTLY asked why I don't have kids and why I'm not married. I was a travel and wildlife photographer for 10 years and my travels around the world taught me the magic of international real estate. Great investments lead to retiring at 36. I chased the money instead of men and don't regret. My biggest headaches and heartaches have been from men. I don't think its a man vs woman issue. Society just sucks as a whole. Many women, including myself, have also wasted a lot of time and money. I've dated guys who don't have what I have and its much easier to date someone in my tax bracket who won't take advantage but finding a man my age that can match what I have is rare so I just keep to myself. Like you, I have no interest in being someone's meal ticket. Again, it goes both ways.
It's surprising how many times I read stuff like this! 7 years of celibacy is no big deal though regardless of what the alpha dudebro types say--if a guy gets rabidly horny when he's 12 and fux when he's 19, that's 7 years of involuntary celibacy. Big deal. Many decades of it is quite common. You just don't hear anyone bragging about it, that's all.
I was married for a long time. My wife cheated on me and I left her when I was 40. It's been awful since then and I've given up. Although I look young for my age, work out, have all my hair, am successful in my employment and my activism, and have good social skills, it's never enough. I can get a girl's phone number almost at will, but it never goes anywhere. They either just never respond to any of my communications, or they make a date and flake out at the last minute or just don't show up. After putting up with that for a few years, I just gave up. I've focused on myself and not having my self esteem be based on what some woman thinks about me. I don't even look at women anymore. Also, not just women, but people in general are just so unapproachable these days with smart phones. Everyone has their face in their phone.
@@goldienakamoto7894 The point is that he doesn’t WANT to. Women these days have become such poor quality, narcissistic mates…that many men feel it is just not worth the effort to try to invest in them anymore. Seriously. Just look at the line of disrespectful treatment he’s been subjected to…
I understand shits gotten pretty bad out here but without them we cant have fucking kids man well guess we may be going to war soon so maybe now isnt the time for kids ahh well buy some bitcoin and gold cheers mates!!@@kellygreenii
lmao you are literally admitting the feedback you’re getting is that you are not good at conversation or social skills because women don’t respond. They give you their phone number because A, women actually have empathy and don’t want to embarrass you in public by declining. B, many are afraid of a man being violent when rejected. You’re going on about having all your hair and going to the gym, when in reality you should be acquiring self awareness and going to a good psychotherapist.
I am Russian, lived in NYC for more than a decade , tried meeting women in NYC, it was almost impossible, had thousands of rejections. I m now in Colombia. Women are much easier to talk to , very feminine. But still, I believe the best mindset for us men is to focus on business and improving our lives instead of trying to find dates. When you start feeling accomplished and start radiate this energy of completeness, the correct women will be drawn to you . I’m not trying to get into a relationship , focusing most of my energy on business . But at least there’s no problem with finding great sex in Colombia, if one really has an urge for it. I think the global society as a whole took a wrong turn and is moving towards selfish , materialistic living , which I don’t think leads to happiness of most members of society. Peace ❤
Of course globalism has created a selfish society. With Tribe and nation you have common bonds of blood and culture. You will give up some of your selfish interests for the good of the Tribe. Globalism intentionally tries to break the ties of kinship, the tribe, and the nation and build a global citizen concerned with the world. Of course, this is impossible. Why would I sacrifice for some dude in the Sudan who I would probably have nothing in common with, at best, or loath his belief system at worse.
That’s an interesting take on it. My question is do the women in Columbia have to worry so much about being raped and killed? That is a real problem in America. Women have to worry about it so now they are hostile towards men not only that but men are abusive. There is so much aggression with the men here you have to worry about them beating you. is it like that in Columbia? Just curious.
@@jennifervaughn1541 the statistics on rape were dropping every year and bottomed out by 2015 and then suddenly shot up. What do think accounts for the explosion in sexual assault? Unfettered illegal immigration. Where do most of the immigrants come from? I'll leave the rest to you. Regardless, your contention is total baloney. A man has a much higher chance of being accused of a crime within a relationship that is utterly false than you have in being an actual victim of one - the reason being that people are eager today to believe it. Hence, the entire topic we are discussing which is why men are avoiding relationships altogether. It isn't just being raked through courts, but through the justice system with false allegations. A man can't even say "hi" at work without being dragged into HR and accused of "harassment".
"Why Are So Many Men Checking Out Of Society?" Well let's make a list of reasons: - I'm a man (enough said, cause feminism) - There are expectations that are expected of me because I am a man, but if I do said expectations I am ridiculed, and if I don't do it I am ridiculed. - Society constantly tells me how worthless I am (media) - I'm full of toxic masculinity, because I like to workout and do other masculine driven activities - I'm a loser because I like to play video games - I've been told by college girls I'm a baby killer because of my military service - Hard time talking to girls because unless it's through a phone it's considered creepy to talk in person - I'm a natural rapist because having any interest in a girl is considered property of sexual harassments and they have to be careful around me for just even saying "Hi" - Most people don't know how to flirt - About 90% of places are now considered to be "off limits" to flirting activities and interests (workplace, public areas, ect.) - I "should" have a political team I support but I don't, I'm independent, and that throws people off - Because I'm a minority, Asian, I have to play as a "victim", oppress the Caucasian population and expected to like Asian cultural things, despite being born and raised in America. - I'm not allowed to be happy under any circumstance, because the world is on fire and if they are miserable I have to be miserable instead of making the best of my circumstance and working hard to remove myself from said situation. I could go on, but I don't want to write a full fledge essay on my phone. Great video BTW.
I got called a baby killer too I replied "I worked in an office. For 4 years I didn't touch a single firearm. I almost forgot this was the military. It was a regular job but with a hat and uniform"
Most of the reasons you listed are in your own head and/or just excuses you’ve made up to justify getting no women. The boogeyman isn’t out to get you. Most girls don’t think military men are baby killers 😂😂 you’re over reacting to one situation
it's simple. as a guy, you have to do so much to get a girl (dress well/work out/make good money/be funny/be interesting/not have any mental health issues/be social/be good at sex/not be clingy/be masculine/not be shallow and just attracted to looks/behave properly on a date/not be weird IN ANY WAY... oh, and don't forget be attractive, anyway, anything not less than perfect will do). also, I'm all for getting into a relationship with a friend but not every guy has a ton of friends who are girls. And after all this it's not even guaranteed you're gonna get a good girl. I see lots of women just not understanding how hard it is for many guys, they're just that ignorant. So why bother. Also a lot of women are like "you men just want sex" but then when they go on a few dates with a guy and he is not doing anything physical they're like "what's wrong with him", the hypocrisy?!
I really appreciated reading this. I am a 40 yr old woman looking to meet a compatible guy. I am someone who takes care of herself, has a good job, and doesn't expect anything from a guy that I wouldn't expect from myself (taking care of himself, have his own hobbies, honest, growth mindset, etc). I want you to know that there ARE many, many good women out there like me. Many of us feel just as much, if not more, pressure about dating: will we be seen as too old by guys in our own age bracket? Having to balance being single and financially independent while also not letting that come off as "masculine", wanting to date but also having to be extra cautious because of sexual assault etc. I am a feminist who loves and worries about the men in my society, and I am definitely not the only one. Feminism was originally a movement to help women free themselves from the oppressive place they'd been placed in society. I have read many of these comments and it seems that men are feeling oppressed and hopeless and are also wanting a social change. I acknowledge that many structures in marriage/ divorce have led to men getting the short end of the stick and, I can see why that would be unappealing. For a long time, women were given the short end of the stick in terms of safety, careers/ pay, education and domestic expectations. Up until recently in our society, many women had little to no say in who they married (this is still true all over the world)! What I really want to convey is this: Our men are clearly in pain and without a healthy way to express it except through commenting on videos like this. Just like there is toxic feminism (which is the loudest, but smallest group!) that grows in the shadows and in echo chambers, there is a lot of toxic masculinity being developed (like Andrew Tate etc). I think this is because men don't have the practice of expressing their pain and needs in a healthy way. Many of the comments I read were expressed in a very healthy way and WE NEED TO HEAR IT! Men, please talk to each other and share your pain. Men, please talk to a therapist. Men, please talk to US (without calling us all hoes or gold diggers, etc). We love you and we want you to be healthy. We want society to be healthy and for everyone to have their place TOGETHER, not hiding in hate like hermits. With love, one of many women who care about you
It’s hard for women too, men just use women for sex and get bored and leave. Not many men trying all that you wrote about. Most men just want free sex and do nothing for a woman.
@@lindsaymitchell1174 Good post. Sad to say the vast bulk of men out there are not worth knowing. If you have tried online dating you will know this already LOL.
@@lindsaymitchell1174I used to be like you. Give up . There is no hope . I no longer care for men but i’ll like your comment bc you did say some correct things about toxic masculinity
I’m fine with having less and never having to impress. Women are never happy unless it’s at someone else expense. We as men and boys were told if we didn’t like just go away so now we are. Stop feeling obligated to do more or be better for a society that hates us but clearly dependent on us.
If all men dropped out Society would collapse. Only reason it does not is because not all men will, however, people are already complaining about the amount of men not in the work force. So we shall see what happens in the future.@@KnottyCeltic
Yes. It will be interesting to - eventually - compare the achievements of all the old white men to those of all the new black, brown and female leaders we so often observe appointed to powerful positions nowadays. Time will tell.@TonyT2525
They find 80% of men unattractive. So why would they play a game where the results are 0. Better to give up than wife up a single mother just because you want to fill that "void"
There's just not much out there worth working for any longer. I would bet this is a pretty good reason to check-out of our deteriorating, sick society.
Not in the U.S, for sure. Check out some other nations, like Russia. Ukraine also, they have few men left, just don't get involved in the Wests attempts to dominate make everyone like themselves).
Yes, if we have to put in 3x the amount of effort that our grandfathers did merely to end up with 1/3 of what our grandfathers had, what do you expect to happen except for a bunch of people giving up on society altogether; giving up on dating and relationships; giving up on their goals and dreams to marry and have children?
I’m 41 years old. I’ve never been married, never had children, and never will be married and I am too old to have children. I have been very successful in my career and after watching around a dozen male family members and friends lose everything after their wives decided to step out on them and the resulting divorce taking their pensions and financial future; I see ZERO reason to date or get married.
I checked out 20 years ago. My bipolar wife wrecked our lives and the health service simply made matters worse. My employer had no sympathy with my difficulties in trying to care for her. I saw some nasty goings on at work with false allegations by women against colleagues... proven false, but damage done. I had to divorce my wife to save my life. I moved abroad to get away and haven't worked since. I'm 68 now. For a while i was still subject to military recall but would have refused it. I how have a simple life, hobbies, travel but do it all cheaply to minimise my call on my pension and therefore pay no tax or social charges.
For me the hard part is forgetting about what others think. If you accept yourself for what you are then society calls a man lazy and tells you to "work on yourself." You push yourself and others begin to compare you to prince charming and wonder why you bother. It's time to forget about what others think about us, do your best and be kind to yourself :)
@@Giopowered This is true, I've worked very hard, now am in the top 2%, however I am still called "poor", by my wife who compares me to those who have even more. (There will always be someone better to be compared to -- however I never do this to my wife , she really could not handle it, yet she likes to dish it out all the time.).
The last time I was in a relationship was in 2019. I was living with my girlfriend and supported her while she was going through college, she finished so I went back, and was doing a program. During this time she started sleeping with 2 other men. Her and mutual friends hid this from me. This was because she had told them and convinced herself that I was cheating, and so she was doing this to get back at me. I told her in that conversation that I was not sleeping with anyone I was busy with the college program. At that point she had a meltdown and started cutting up her arms and smashing herself in the head in front of me. She told me when I went for my phone to call the police or an ambulance that she was going to tell them I was abusing her, so that she could ruin my life and put me in jail. I was in a relationship with this woman for 2 years, and had been living with her for 3 months. This completely destroyed my ability to trust a woman in a relationship. This was not the first time I had a woman try to damage my life intentionally, but it was the last and the worst. I have not had a single inclination to even date since.
Wow…that’s terrible. I’m so sorry. I have sorta joked about having PTSD from dating, but….it’s real. I am here to tell you women are also not prioritizing dating and are giving up, too. For example, I haven’t been in a relationship since 2015. Yikes. That’s almost ten years now! But it’s been the best time. I have been super focused on career, personal goals, and my own healing/growth. I’ve done a ton of inner and outer work and I don’t know how to take my walls down. History has shown I tend to attract men who don’t know how to open up and deal with difficult emotions. So I have a tendency to pick up the slack in this area and end up doing all the emotional heavy lifting in relationships- to my absolute detriment. It’s totally ancestral/epigenetic… Multiple times now- I have found out about secret addictions and been wiped out. I just cannot help feeling suspicious of how a guy is =or isn’t= managing. I cannot afford another addict.
you can see this very often, that women excuse their immoral or bad behaviour towards men with the alleged behaviour and alleged motivation of men, which only exsist in the head of the women, but the man in reality did no do or does not think. So she did not false accuse you. Happy to hear that.
I'm single and retired at 54. I've been mgtow since 2008, and even avoid friends. Every time I develop a friendship, I regret it. Every time I hook up with a woman, she tries to latch onto me. I'm now just content to be an ascetic hermit.
Yup, same here. I've regretted every friendship and relationship I've had, outside of some family. People just suck. Even finding people that are remotely interesting is a chore.
To me friendships are in the moment and typically not too lasting considering that they tend to stem from being stuck with other people in mass activities such as schooling or the military or perhaps work. Neighbors especially seem to not even exist anymore so oblivious they are of everyone else on the block. People I used to hang out with seem incapable of even conversing on the phone for more than just a few minutes. As people age they seem to calcify and ultimately become ossified.@@saintsword23
Met a young man in his 20s he thought he was gonna become a CEO but he quickly learn that he didn't have skills to charm and couldn't enter the right networks. Now at 36 he understands he won't make it. The competition amongst men is tough. Everybody is competing for the best mates the best houses, the best jobs . There's only x amount to go around, it's not infinite. So not every man out there will become leader of the pack. Masculinity is build and tough to keep.
You don't need to be a leader or CEO to live a good life. I earn enough to afford everything I need working part time from home as a software engineer, and spend most of my time hanging out with friends or enjoying my hobbies. I don't envy the guys earning $10 million a year working 80 hours a week one bit, that lifestyle sounds awful.
It always strikes me as odd that when a 'consumer base' gives up on a product everyone wonders what wrong with the consumers. If men are 'giving up' on women entirely don't look at the men for an answer... ...look to what has changed about being in a relationship.
What has changed is economics. Women make their own money and don't need a provider (aka husband) anymore. Women who choose to become mothers, are mating with Chads, because they want Chads superior genes. Women are creating the next generation of beautiful, tall, charming children thanks to daddy Chads genes. Society then wonders why kids act like Chads and Stacys. We have created a society of narcissists. Just look at the ultra rich. They have been marrying Stacys and Chads for generations, and their entire community is full of raging narcissists.
@@cosmopolitanbay9508 The repercussions for society is actually horrible. This is why so many people feel lonely and not good enough. Chads will only marry Stacys, so what happens to the rest of society? They remain single, and socially isolated.
Changes in the last 50 years or so: *Women can have credit cards in their own name. *Women can own homes in their own name. *Women are getting advanced degrees. *Women are using birth control to plan their families. *Women are prioritizing their careers over their husband's career aspirations. Men are miserable only because women have been set free.
@@truettadevil Not quite. Men built a safe work environment for women and invented contraception, so that women can have it easer. As a consequence, women could enter the work force, earn a wage, so they can contribute to the family budget, and started paying taxes. It all finally allowed to have a say in public life affairs. Fastforward to present, they have pretty much ruined everything, but keep blaming it on everyone else.
I'm with the speaker, 60's very happily married for 40+ years, 5 children, 9 grandchildren. I watch these videos and my heart breaks for the current society. My marriage and parenthood and more recently, being a grandparent have been the most important and fulfilling aspects of my life along with my faith. Todays focus on money and things is in part the root of our problems. To be clear we married young, I had 4 kids by 27, my wife stayed at home, we still managed to buy a house on a low single wage. We'd been married years before we bought any new furniture, camped for holidays, drove bangers, ate simply, never missed a payment on anything. We need to get back to a focus on relationships and not things in my view.
Hoping every single day for this, 31 F who cant comprehent what's going on with this world! Have career /healthy/saved some /not a drama qeen/no addictions/play sports /want family and kids and cant find a reliable partner...
@@katerinatrofimova-gd1ll Define “reliable”. And you mean to tell me since you were 18 you haven’t found anyone “reliable”? Or did you not even notice the “reliable” man because he didn’t meet you standards??
It's a sad state of affairs. Many women are nuts these days, life is far more expensive. Many literally cannot afford to have kids. Things are crazy. it's sad. I think you are correct, people are far more materialistic and spiritually dead.
I used to always be in a relationship and had an active social life. Now, I may go out a few times a week by myself. Most people annoy me, they're unreliable, and they all disappear when they're done with you. I've completely given up on relationships with women. I'm introverted and am comfortable being alone. It's not a tragedy for everyone.
Women have the same bad experience. Men use women for free sex and leave and can’t appreciate a woman. Women hoping for relationship when have sex but men use them and leave. It’s free sex for men. But lifetime of pain for women.
If you actually ARE naturally introverted (not depressed or dysfunctional, no PTSD or anything like that) then lots of alone time is great for you. It allows you to think, work and possibly be inspired/creative on your own terms while minimizing pecking-order related bullshit. Dealing with lots of other people's shit is a waste of time even for extraverts--but they get some popularity out of it. When introverted people are at their best, they're much more likely to be motivated by other priorities besides image and social position.
That's funny about the 2019-2023. Last date I was on was late 2019. I really don't know if I'll ever want to date again. It just seems like dating nowadays is asking to be used, then discarded when the first thing comes along. Then she tries to come crawling back a month later, when she finds out he's married, or abusive, or whatever. I may be lonely, but at least I know where I stand. My dog loves me, my family loves me, that's all I need!
"It's going to have to come from people themselves." What a simple yet powerful quote. This is something I've noticed. People just keep expecting the world the change for the better but they are the people who are capable of changing it. Improving myself and stopping viewing myself as a victim despite my flaws has had an unbelievable impact on my life just in the past few years. Personal change and impact is so, so powerful. I wish I had the ability to make others see that too.
I divorced my wife after a 40 year relationship. The last 16 years were a nightmare. Now although I know a few good women I just can't imagine remarrying...too risky. Over the years I've seen too much crazy behaviour from women to take the chance because they can do whatever they want, to the point of ruining your life, and as a guy there's little you can do about it.
I really appreciate your interest in this topic. After many years of unhappy relationships, the financial burden of having to start all over again. I’m a 48-year-old man, who would honestly rather play video games and be alone most of the time, then put any effort whatsoever into dating women, and or forming new friendships. I do not even go to things that I am invited to these days. I just cannot be bothered. I’d rather stay home, in my own world and focus on the things that make me happy. Unfortunately, most of those things that make me happy do not involve other people…
fuck that wtf do i look like spending all my dam time playing video games..shit i think we are already inside of a video game and a dam interesting one at that make the best of this shit good or bad just have fu with it and theres always woman to be had man dont give up just dont mke them so important i look at them liek a treat in life if i have a girl who loves me great if im on my own hustling great enjoy the gam regardless
That's been my life for 10 years. Hope you're happy sir. I've dodged a lot of bad people in my time. I'm 38 and yeah sometimes being in my home can be lonely but I have a great job and when I come home to relax. The quiet atmosphere is hard to beat
I'm 40. Never married, no kids, a few long term relationships in my 20s. In my early 30s, I just gave up on trying to connect with people, because I feel like I'm just bad at picking people, especially picking women for relationships. I work, I pay my taxes, I have some good friends and I have my hobbies. I've been "alone" since 33 and, I have to tell you Chris, I'm so used to my solutude that I really don't forsee myself going back. Stack on top of that the sheer insanity of 2023 when it comes to inersexual dynamics and its like "Why bother?"
@@derek4412 I've had others tell me that I'd be "the cool dad" because I'm nerdy and patient and I'm good at teaching people things. I've never seen myself as "Dad" material and that would also come attached to a woman, of which I've never found one that I could remotely trust enough to not abuse my kindness or take advantage of me in some way. I'd never sign a contract that had a 60% failure rate while risking 1/2 or better of all I've built, either. That's akin to suicide right there.
@Samsaraindo There was a definite shift in 2014-2016. I used to be active in the local metal music scene and people who called me brother, drank with me, ate meals with me, played shows with me suddenly thought I was the enemy, simply for having a difference in political perspective. I never changed. I'm the same person I have always been. And I never judged them on their choices. Yet, I was the one ostracized. I saw them flip on a dime, and I realized in that moment that 99% of what I thought was real was bullshit and that most people only serve themselves and their ideologies. They're NPCs. They all had my phone number. When I left social media in 2015, I heard from none of them. It's been almost a decade. I'm not going to hold my breath.
@@DagonNaxos i agree with that too! I felt 2015 was the year it all really changed and social media ans wokeness really took over. That was probably the last good year and I just have had this bad feeling since.
Men aren’t losing interest in women. We’re still very interested. We’re just not very invested anymore. That difference is important. Consider this analogy. I’m interested in France. I like to read about France and watch movies about France. But i’m not going to invest in a flight to France, especially when France has made it perfectly clear that i am not welcome there.
im 36 and I would say I have been checked out since I was 23. What this means is that I never married or had kids, I have had very few friends. I have a set of values my life revloves around, and I could are less about 99% of what goes on around me. At some point in life, some earlier than others, I think we all come to realize that most of what we were told to believe was not true, and that nobody ever really had our back. All we can truly attain and value is a healthy body and soul. There is no amount of money that can buy you that, and nobody but yourself who can attain it
@@desertrunner9569 Your statement could not be farther from the truth. I grew up before the world became zombies so I actually remember what life was like before facebook and youtube. I just embraced religion at a young age and grew increasingly weary of the modern world. I basically earned enough money to support myself and further my pursuits to come closer to g-d and blocked out 99% of the garbage that is out there today. I enjoy to post my views on youtube comment threads since this may affect others in a positive way also. Nice try though trying to judge someone you never even saw face to face.
here's what it is. if a man has a good woman to provide for and to strive for - it gives him purpose. most men don't have a good woman, and everything seems a bit pointless
@@idivas_Tricia No he isn’t men need an incentive in order to actually give a damn. Women just don’t see it because their indifferent and or they don’t feel obligated to give one.
Men put the cart before the horse while women engage in hypergamy and self-sterilization from modern pharmaceuticals. I feel awfully for the women left out of the society (of which there is some), but the numbers are probably half or less of the number of men left out.
It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society Men, you owe nothing to society. Keep doing you. If it all falls apart, then so be it. It needs to.
Ex filed for separation 3 times, I countered with divorce. Lost my house, 1/2 my retirement, most of the time with my 5 kids, my church, my church freinds. Been dating.. it’s horrible out there.. just kind of living for now.. not happy, but at least not tortured by my ex anymore.
I’m 52. I gave up completely on trying to find a relationship 7 years ago. Life is so much more pleasant and less stressful when you’re focused on yourself rather than focusing on what I can be doing to be more attractive to someone else. I always liked me LOL. If women don’t see me as a sexual partner, oh well. I’m at peace and have zero stress now that I’m not trying to meet societal standards/expectations
Here are some factors leading to less interest in relationships: * even skilled occupations don't pay enough * online dating is like a job interview * approaching women can be seen as harassment * all of this makes the chance of rejection even greater.
The approaching women seen as harassment part is an American problem. I was in Puerto Rico last month and those women have no problem with you walking up to them, even grabbing their hand to talk to them.
approaching women is not seen as harrassment. that's just a story shared among terminally online men who want to justify why they shouldn't gather up the courage to ask a woman out.
the woman can decide she has been harrassed for ANYTHING you say....that is extremely scary.....not even worth talking with them....they created the metoo crap so they can suffer the consequences
I may be able to shed some light here. I'm a 27yo single male, but no means speak for anyone but myself. I believe I fall into the category of men who have "checked out" of society. First of all, I work 50 hours a week (and that's without travel time), and only just have enough to get by (I live in an expensive city). I'm college-educated. Whatever free time I do have is spent either at the gym or looking after my house. I live alone, if that's not clear already, and so when I'm not working or working out I'm doing laundry, cooking, or cleaning. The idea of having a kid to look after would be simply out of this world with expenses. As for the ladies, there's simply no time or money to be dating, and that says nothing of the dating pool. For reasons that are hopefully obvious, I'm not on social media, and for many young girls my age that translates to being weird and creepy, since many young gals are accustomed to getting to know someone indirectly through social media rather than over coffee, because of course, that's creepy nowadays. I've had my fair share of experience with girls, but times have changed, and there is considerable risk for young males looking to get more intimate with a young lady. I personally have no fear when it comes to talking to girls, asking for nunbers etc., but to so many girls in their twenties not having social media gives off serial killer vibes to them. I understand that, given that we live in a world where anyone with an online profile can be effectively vetted before you ever even have to say "hello". As for "getting out there more", with what time or money? I already go gym, and that counts as an extracurricular, but generally speaking with costs of living and inflation, extracurriculars are the first to go... EDIT: forgot to mention this, but I so hope that most people can see that if a young male has for whatever reason remained unmarried or otherwise single, it's not necessarily because they're spending their time smoking weed, watching pornography, and playing video games all day instead. Life has gotten extremely expensive, first of all, and it's difficult trying to remain employable in a world with so much competition, when there's little resource allowing someone in my position to upskill to keep up with the market. EDIT 2: the risk of marriage and having children is severely skewed in favour of women, given by just how much men have to lose in a divorce. Fifty percent chance of eventual divorce with two-thirds chance she'll initiate it, get half of everything I own, and I can only see my kid on the weekends (if ever)? Sign me up 😑 EDIT 3: do I even need to say anything else????
Be thankful that you got this clarity so young. I try to talk sense into young coworkers and they either can't get it, or don't want to accept it. Stay strong, and don't ever fall into the trap of forgetting (or ignoring) what you know.
Yeah, they try to take as much time form us as possible via work so you dont have spare time and energy to chill and meet other human beings, being creative,playful etc. Next critical punch is expensive cost of living or materials. Single male with avarage income is geting wrecked just in rent in some places. So why to start a marriage when conditions are so deadly. Failed society.
It is just matter of not taking a chance on a cruel and unfair financial settlement from a divorce after putting all your efforts and emotions into a relationship and then being told “I am not happy” and everything is blown up. It makes no sense to take risk of having your life destroyed based on the whim of another person.
I gave up on women 7 years ago just after I turned 21. I realised that relationships are entirely meaningless and pointless. I can do what I want, when I want, and I don't have to answer to anyone or care what they think about it. Most importantly, I can do it in peace. If I want to go fishing, read a book, play video games, play a chess tournament, or do any of my other hobbies, I can. I don't have to work around someone else's schedule, or seek permission to do these things. I don't have to listen to pointless gossip, or deal with intentionally fabricated drama just because they were bored. I don't have to deal with ridiculous questions like "would you still love me if I was a slug with cancer". I don't have to pretend to like another person's friends, or family. I don't have to get out of bed early on my day off, because someone else thought going out for breakfast at 8am on a Sunday was a good idea. I don't have to share my space with someone. I don't have to decorate my place to suit how someone else wants it. I'm not shouted at for not folding the towels the way someone else wants them folded. I don't have to put up with people trying to steal my food when they explicitly said they weren't hungry. I don't have to put up with someone blaming me for something I did in a dream. I don't have to deal with shit tests and trick questions. I don't have to worry if I'm using the wrong towel to dry my hands or not. I no longer need to go somewhere I don't want to go, do something I don't want to do, or talk to someone I don't want to talk to, just because someone else wants to do those things. I no longer care about whether women find me attractive or not. I no longer have to care where I buy my clothes from, or whether I look good in them. I no longer care if women find me charming, funny, polite, intelligent, caring, or chivalrous. I don't have to care about what car I drive, or how much I earn. In short, I have gained total freedom and peace of mind. Why would I give all of that up for something that only brings headaches, drama, and misery?
Well said. Men spend far too much time trying to gain women's attention and validation. Nothing wrong with being open to dating but placing it as a priority is a massive mistake. Work hard, earn good money, get in shape, see your mates, travel to cool places, spend time with family. That's what really matters.
Modern society doesn't care whether we live and prosper or collapse and die. Whatever we do, is never good enough or goes widely unappreciated/unrewarded. And most modern women see us as a means to an end, plotting behind our backs. So yeah, I see why guys are just giving up and going solo.
All of this is going to result in complete civilizational collapse. Men are builders, creators and maintainers. Without them, society ceases to function.
There is no need to overthrow. Teach the like-minded to limit the engagement with it, and when enough men do so, the system will fall apart by itself. It is the men who are holding it together. It's a man's creation, after all. Nothing works by force and coercion.
UK man here, 54, last comms I had with a chick was when I was aged 50 by text when she said "leave me alone you loser". This actually followed a long line of miserable "leave me alone" type rejections over the last 30 years... but thank you ladies , I am tickled pick about it actually because I finally got my shit together, worked my ass off, made a load of money, multiple homes, etc....and its all mine.....no woman will come near it. So Ladies, thank you, all of you, going right back to when I was 18 when you all delighted in rejecting me, you have made me what I am through your constant rejections. I am now very well off, happily single, come and go as I please and my life is truly great, all thanks to your rejections because I was nobody yo you. Enjoy your cats while I take my extended family to Barbados, but hey, you knew best!
Yup, and a culture that berates and despises men acting like themselves about sums it up. It hasnt been a good environment for a long time...not even for women (as theyre finding out).
@@smokingcrab2290 Because its meant to break men, to turn them into oxes. Work, work, work and serve women, at expense of own wellbeing, getting nothing out of it. Aka voluntary slavery. Problem is, that as with most of those moronic ideas, this one was also conceived by women, based on women expectations and mentality. This is how narcissism(paired with low intelligence) works. But men are not women and instead of bending and submitting, they are slipping and avoiding. At least most of them. Instead of breaking mentally, they are just walking away.
I have a divorced friend I have known for 35 years. He is a powerlifter, earns 6 figures, and owns his own house. He had gone MGTOW because he say the quality of women out there is so abysmal, and dating was just a waste of his time and money.
Those numbers don’t sound too bad to me for young men. As you get older it’s much more difficult to find a good match if you’re not already in a long term relationship. People become individuals when living alone and this is fundamentally different than being a couple. Took me 12 years to feel comfortable being alone after my wife died and after multiple attempts at relationships. Takes a tremendous amount of energy and money to form a couple relationship/identity for a guy, so there’s more at risk. After suffering various setbacks or disappointments, you realize the investment often isn’t worth it, and if it happens enough times you’ll let go of the desire to be a couple. Key is to enjoy life as an individual, and single. Not easy for everyone including myself having experienced a great relationship.
Chris I can provide a perspective. Believe it or not as a foreigner I see exactly what's going on and it is like this. Men work their ass off, compete and strive for their very best when in general they see a light at the end of the tunnel. This in past generations means a family, a legacy to pass on their genes to and something worthwhile, a job that is fulfilling, a community of likeminded individuals who often resemble them in ethnic make up, religious affiliation etc. I think what happened is, with the globalism and liberalism both of these things were taken away from men in the west. Everything they held dearly has been stripped away from while being demonized for being the boogeyman, so today if you're a white male who' straight you're practically seen as a right wing, racist, misogynist blah blah blah. Moreover, the jobs are unfulfilling, they can't even allow you to pay your rent, let alone purchase a home and FORGET about dating, all I see are white women making fun of white men online in search of "BBC" I'm insulted for them and I'm a Somali guy! Who would want to get out of bed when you know society looks at you in that fashion?
It's Neo-liberalism pure and simple. The wealthy suck all the money out of the economy and then foist austerity on to everyone underneath them. They strip out all the meaning and pit us against each other so that we don't turn on them, all the while selling us numbing drugs, poisoned food, and on-line junk. That's not hyperbole either. We just saw it in the last three years, no more living in denial pretending these so-called leaders are there to serve us or the planet.
The "evil white straight male" is just a persecution complex, men aren't hated for being white and straight. It's just the demographic of people who are anti progressive are largely white and straight because they never experienced being marginalized by society like POC, LGBT, and women have been.
My simplified take is the job market is crap, rent prices and housing prices are spiraling out of control, dating has become extremely difficult because you aren't just competing in a social circle anymore, you are competing again people in a city wide+ radius. Having a kid damn near requires a 2 income household to do so these days. Day care is insanely expensive and not viable for financial reasons. So yeah. I've basically said "To hell with it." And got myself an easy job and study what I'm interested in and play the odd video game here and there.
Population control. Demoralize men, venerate women, war between the sexes, economic hell, climate change propaganda, birth rate collapse; population control.
If the man cheats, he’s a deadbeat, an asshole etc.. However, when the woman cheats, it’s because the man doesn’t give her enough attention, affection, money etc… It’s always the man’s fault. We can never win. Men are in love. Women are in business.
Lies. They are both to blame, the man because he is becoming a weakling and giving into emotions and just being plain selfish, the woman because she is also ruled by emotions and given the authority to act like a man. The Bible has the answers but people don't want to know.
Very interesting post. As a woman, the men I have met, do not want marriage. Many of the people I know (not all) do not want kids (because of their childhood, the lack of stability, the world issues) It is a very interesting time in which we live!
Men are just not putting up crap anymore. They have finally opened their eyes. There are great women out there, but relationships just don't last. Today men and women can be independent, they simply don't need each other
@@toddlavigne6441The reason mens relationships aren't working out It's because they are watching porn. And they are emotionally lazy. Porn does not require any emotional development or Self sacrifice.
you can easily say the same thing for women. They don't need each other but is that not a good thing? Instead rather than needing each other they should want each other.@@toddlavigne6441
I feel like i checked out. About to turn 30. I have a hard time connecting with people on a deep level, so you can say that my reality has always been checked out of society, reality just had to set in place. Learned to love being alone though!
Yeah dude that deeper connection is nowhere to be found. I get sick of all the surface level shit. Just be radically honest and say what you think most of the time no matter what people think. The right folks will find it refreshing and it'll make you feel really genuine.
I hated being alone but started embracing it and feel so much better.... divorced from a selfish narrsatist who broke family up to be around other single moms who leave the men and want all there money.....l struggle to be nice to women there are a few good ones out there
I just turned 40 and I feel the same. The few friends I have are now married and few have kids so they're busy. Living in the same city, I haven't met few of my closest friends for over a year. Calling them close friends now seems like a lie. 🤷 And at my age (I look and feel 30ish) it's difficult to make friends and form deep connections.
Well, for me. I worked 2 full time jobs for 2 years because I was forced to, just to stay afloat to keep my apartment and have some extra money. and that was the seed that grew my selfish society hating mentality. During those 2 miserable years, I started blocking or cutting out any stress that try’s to enter my life and it has stuck with me. Girls love giving you stress. I’ll never understand it., so I cut them out. I see past the sexual appeal. I see the stress that comes along with it. It’s also another reason why I don’t travel. Too much stress/ exertion for the small amount of reward. I’d rather spend my time working out, and playing video games and keeping up with latest tech, learning things I want to learn. The investment is worth the return to me. A sense of richness and fulfillment.
Women love contrived drama. I think they subconsciously use it as a device to force the progression of the relationship either to commitment or total abandonment by the man.
I agree with you but not the traveling part. To each their own but seeing all different parts of the world is amazing and definitely worth experiencing. 98 percent of people are actually friendly and cool and enrich the place that you’re visiting
Spot on! That's the word that describes best how i feel towards dating women. Stress. Women, what they see in dating men is Opportunity. For us, it's just stressful
The current societal meta is very anti-male both implicitly and explicitly, and it's causing some men to give up and others to rebel, neither of which are favorable for commensurate integration of men and women. There are very few positive role models for men right now, and the few that have taken up the job are vilified constantly in the media for being toxic, misogynistic, out of touch, you name it. Our culture has an obsessive inability to indulge in one notion without being adversarial to its perceived opposite. If I am 'pro-male', I must be 'anti-female', which is garbage. And you know what? Some of these male leaders may very well be toxic, but when you vilify the job description at its core, who else would take it up but people okay with being thought of as evil? That tends to be two types of people: those that truly are scum, and those that are so good and virtuous that they are willing to bare hatred to stand for the truth. It has to be okay for men to lead men, and that involves compromise from women, but not a simple adoption of a female model while considering anything that deviates to be inherently bad, wrong, and to be corrected. Men and women are different, but not unequal. This used to not be a controversial statement. People like Andrew Tate, who I consider to be a charasmatic fraud, is what happens when you ostracize a struggling group and deny their struggles, or oversimplify the boy problem to not being able to cry in public: you create a marketplace for predators to pray on disenfranchised young men's impressionability simply because nobody else is brave enough to fill that niche. Be good to each other. Be accountable. Be disciplined. Be a leader, be a student, be a teacher, be kind, be patient, be inquisitive, be reliable. Be virtuous in ways which are so undeniable that they must out themselves to reject you. Be male, and don't apologize for it.
'you create a marketplace for predators to pray on disenfranchised young men's impressionability' perfectly put. If society chooses to persistently diminish, discredit and undermine all the positive and constructive male roles, the good men stop doing them BECAUSE they are good men who want to do the right thing. And then you end up with people like Andrew Tate.
I disagree with you on the part of this not being favorable towards integrating men and women. When feminism keeps pushing beliefs destroying men, and women have constantly benefitted from feminism and looked the other way because of that, the only way a healthy balance is struck is for those supporting what is destroying men to get a healthy wake up slap for them to realize the consequences of what they're doing.
@hungrymusicwolf I think you may have misunderstood the sentiment of how the latter part of my comment interplays with the intro methodologically because i have no disagreements with your statement as it stands. The details/my prescriptions for accomplishing that goal might look a bit different though, but I do agree with the fundamental notion
I was always told love is the greatest thing you can ever have from a woman. You feel fulfilled, loved, appreciated and complete. But when that feeling is gone you feel nothing but pain, sadness, depression, despair and a pain you wish to never feel again. I’ve tried dating since I was 16 and now I’m 26 years old and all I have been through is the same cycle over and over. I’ve come to realize that there is only so much a man can take when it comes to dating woman. After my last relationship that just recently ended a few weeks ago, I finally decided to give up on dating completely. Because it’s not worth chasing after or fighting for something you always wanted, and all you ever do is get hurt and burned out emotionally/mentally.
Uh maybe because a real man dgaf what people think about him. He handles his business and blazes his own path. Get out there and a f_ck as many women as possible. Rejection and failure is a normal part of becoming a real person. One you harness the power of large cock energy you will begin to really live and discover the true meaning of life. Here’s a hint: it’s love.
The one's who bitch and moan the most about equality are the one's who believe the least in it. Feminism is of no purpose other than to point fingers. Even an infant can point a finger, and adults who go about this way will refuse to admit they can be wrong. We are all equal because nobody who have ever lived have ever gotten any questions before we simply were born one day. We're all born under the same curcumstances where you just have to deal with who ever, how ever or where ever you were born. It's is equal if you were born in a big mansion with parents who are billionairs or if you were born in the slum in Africa somewhere. None of it was up to you, and you could never decide whether you even wanted to be born or not. This is why we are of equal worth. Try asking a feminist why we are equal and I will be shocked if you even get a response.
Oh I get the feeling. But that's what the MEDIA (and "elites") wants us to think. Sure, many women also think that now, they are sheep trend followers, but most men and still a great chunk of women don't. Do NOT forget all the decent people still out there, just because the media focus on everything else. Otherwise, if you give up, it's letting them win, and we will ALL pay later on if we let them win, no matter how isolated we try to live. "They" want us divided, opting out, isolated, not fighting back. It's old Sun Tzu quote: "Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."
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We are plotting the purge. You don't get to run around and threaten to stab people with a metal spike. And say they are domestic terrorists if they don't use drugs. It collapses basic tenets of nonviolence on which a basic free market economy is built.
That's gone. We are waiting for the right conditions. And 90 percent of people will be removed.
Intresting point of view.
Perhaps you would be intrested to explore the defination of true man from major religion in world point of view to find solution on “why man checking out from society”. Not sure about other religion, but Islam has comprehensive description & discussion on the qualities of true man. Would suggest you to explore the topic with Dr. Omar Suleiman or Ustd Nouman Ali Khan.
Great question. As a guy who lives in a society that doesn't hate men nor its majority population, I can understand why my male counterparts in Europe and the US would want to check themselves out while their countries keep pandering to whamenz and racial or sexual minorities all the time. Their response is sad but logical, since they aren't gonna make a revolution to regain what was taken from them anyway. The best option is to let society burn itself and take as less responsibility as you can (other than supporting yourself I suppose).
They have the chip in the head mate. People have had this tech for a long time now. Eyes and ears are hackable, along with the ability of devices to read non-verbalized speech (inner speech/thought). The way you can tell if the eyes are hacked, is that any "hacked visions" are in two dimensions like how you view normal screens, and its overlaid over your 3D normal vision. These devices know your emotional state based on body frequency - eg when you are anxious, relaxed, asleep, etc. They can all be integrated with other smart tech, like phones, TV's, computers, etc. Maybe you might like "thought" induced product/service specific targeted advertising :) The more they roll out that tech, the checked-out people will increase, it eventually demoralises to the point of hopelessness.
Why are men checking out of this feminist society? Because we have two options. Men can renounced their toxic masculinity and choose to be trans women and still be hated by women. Or they can remain men and have no role or value in this feminist society, they can stay home and not fix society. Women don't need men. They can fix society and make it worth mens time again or we can all die playing video games.
"Being alone for a while is dangerous. It's addicting. Once you see how peaceful it is, you don't want to deal with people anymore."
-Tom Hardy
This. I can barely handle talking to recruiters anymore, nevermind bosses and colleagues
Truer words never spoken - I LOVE it now that I am divorced and out travelling the world. If I don't want to see people - I don't. If I do, I do. My choice, my responsibility. Zero nags! Priceless!
@BrianBaileyedtech And this is how I feel too! I don't have to feel like it's a "big ask " to expect friendship from my partner. I have sex with the men I want as long as they act the way I like and when they don't I move on. I move on when it's no longer fun or it becomes too much work.
But I see men on these threads are really angry that women are living my kind of lifestyle, now. They are angry because we just walk away from difficult non cooperate partners. But my life is so much better for me this way.
@@christinefury1040 I am glad for you.
@@christinefury1040i see nothing but happy men in these threads, rarely come across angry men in these threads 🤨. Men are happier not dealing with the social norm cater to a woman lifestyle and im truly happy seeing them finally wake up.
As a white man working overtime and being looked by modern women and society as worthless, it made me realize I just need to live for myself going forward. I found peace, freedom and I stopped being manipulated and taken advantage of.
I am a young black man can you believe that the white man and the black man are the two most hated groups in America? It is either a white guys fault or a black guys fault this is why black men are leaning more right and leaving the Democratic Party if you think you have it bad you should see in the black American community what they think of black men😂😂 and let’s not mention interracial marriage. I am the son of west African Liberian immigrants so I am an outsider in the black American community.
good for you; and me too: here in Vancouver, BC, Kanuckistan, most of the ladies - primarily 2nd+ generation 1's - are absolute bitches: solipsistic; rude; cunning; cold; narcissistic; and steely! RGB-Y3 out!!!
What has being white got to do with it?
Amen
@@sole__doubt Guys like Chris will have access to all they would want even if every single person in this group got laid tonight. As someone who has hung out around HV men lots of times, I don't think you understand how confidently they can just take a walk out somewhere and ask around and get yeses. Even if there is somehow less around, this isn't going to dent that chance or mindset for him. Hell, it doesn't me, and I am way less attractive and poor and still have my own 15+ body count in the last couple years and a GF. But then again, I went and aimed for things to get where I am I know none of these people would agree to finding things like swinging and such parties and social events beneath them.
I’m 62, divorced for 10 years now.
I played by the rules, worked hard, stayed faithful, didn’t drink or do drugs, came straight home to my family each night. Yet my ex stopped cooking and cleaning as a SAHM, started gaining considerable weight, developed mental issues, and when she decided to break up the family, she was legally entitled to half of everything I had built over 52 years, along with a good chunk of my retirement.
What do you think my advice to my 21 year old son is regarding marriage?
Was God first in your lives, at the the center of your relationship?
@@KILAMPASSDASTIKK bluepilled comment of the day.
marriage can be great, but the problem is men often approach it for the wrong reasons - love instead of business. the contract is in place because she's raising YOUR kids and forgoing her career and a prenup is in place to protect her so she's not destitute if you trade her in for younger model (but also, she's not incentivized to leave - she should feel pain, not a reward). That's where I think you messed up - it's a business to have kids. not we love each other (hopefully that's part of it).
What advice are you going to give your son regarding relationships with women?
I'm late 30s. My wife NEVER STARTED cooking and cleaning, lol. Ok, I'm exaggerating. After years of training (raising?) her she now cooks one meal every week for our toddler.
I make 10-15 times as much money as the national average, don't drink or do drugs, I am always with my family, and it all doesn't matter.
The joke I was trying to crack is that things have deteoriated for generations younger than yours. And I keep in touch with the generation now entering their 20s, and it is EVEN WORSE there. If you asked your 20ish girlfriend to cook a meal while you are at work she would call the police on you or slit your neck.
I hope things turn out well for you, and you know, not just because I think you are where I will be 5 years from now on, haha. Stay strong, my friend.
The concept that wanting a family is a muscle that is developed through observation is fascinating. Having grown up in a toxic family I was left with 0 interest to give it a try.
Which is ironic, since people like you are the best qualified to break those generational issues and raise kids right.
I grew up toxic. One thing I wanted was a family. Got it. Super stoked.
A sad outcome. 4 kids 2 divorces, and fuck knows how many 100s of thousands cost, first came penniless, second with thousands of debt. Yes my fault, I do have 4 great up children. However the UK divorce laws are heavily weighted in favour of the wife, happily my second divorce was under French law enabling me to retain assets I acquired prior to marriage. I still cost over half of the marital home. Will not make the same mistake again.
Men are NOT used to seeing they can raise kids. Most plots end at wedding not the 10 years of raising lil annoying kids which is sorta a lot of work so not fun to see. Actual men interracting with toddlers is forbidden on TV. In home life the women rush to cuddle the kids so men don't get it there.. So yeah us men see kids as foreign, it's like asking a person do they want a free little airplane, we just imagine we will crash it we have no experience. In olden days the men could leave childrearing to women but now suddenly about 1 year old marriage we are told we will be left with baby for half day and maybe days, and we think that's scary ... Plus men have less familial instinct... Plus men dislike the new style of debating with wife and children every issue. . . Part modernity came around 1850, full in 1980, so us humans really maybe have no good way to cope ...
I have a highly unorthodox speculation the male/female sexual relationship is inherently exploitative and controlling on the part of the male. So in freeing women from exploitation, and subjugation, feminism has killed effectively killed sex. That's only a speculation on my part. I have no idea of whether or not that's true.
It all comes down to risk/reward. The vast majority of Men are simply not rewarded enough for the effort they put in. In many instances, they are punished for it.
And you get told some BS like 'you get out of life, what you put in' sure...
This.
@@garnhamr oldest crap ever
exactly, I'll outline all of it from a 22 year old guys POV, we're expected to do so much and not only is it not rewarded but our effort is taken for granted and then the fruits of our effort are largely robbed from us either through taxes or family court so we're left either worn out with nothing to show for it in regards to work and any attempt we make to connect with women is punished and if by some slim chance we actually do get a girlfriend their mentalities and attitudes are very toxic and selfish and often they'll cheat on you or accuse you of something to get value from you using the legal system and the woman is just believed by default regardless of all but the most damning evidence to refute it
keeping all that in mind it's no wonder young men like myself are just quitting because the only way to win a rigged game is to not play
Severely taken for granted. The lights are on, the shelves are stocked, the water is flowing, the food is growing, the production lines are moving. Men are the primary reason this thing we call civilization even works.
"Empathy gap" is the understatement of the century. Social media has promoted selfishness off the charts
and women are at the forefront of the new era of narcissism. their habits 100% enabled by society.
My mom, dad, sister and my deceased wife none of them gave or give a crap about me as a person and what I think or feel. I was and am completely expendable only something to be used. That’s motivating isn’t it……
@@dr.vonslifeinvesting6485 u should cut them off. i did.
Social media is a narcissist's paradise tbh. Its full of these ppl.
@@Brakka86 women took to social media like a fish to water. no surprise most american/western women are complete narcissists.
I checked out of society and it’s the best decision I’ve made. I have no debt, been promoted twice, heathy and fit. Why? Because I have no drama and I can focus 100% towards myself. Men need to realize that checking out doesn’t necessarily mean being a cynical apathetic outcast. You can live your best life now without going along with the program. No need to participate in society that demonizes men. I learned my lesson after my divorce they you are just a utility.
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You hit the nail on the head with "... you are just a utility." So true - never heard this so compactly explained ;-)
I'm not sure you qualify as someone who's checked out of society if you've had two recent promotions. Checked out of dating maybe, but you're still clearly contributing to society.
I am happily married with 2 kids that are now out of high school. I am starting to work on myself now that my obligations are mostly finished. When I was younger I 100% took care of myself but I’ve slipped a little because my family came first. Now I have no excuses if I want to be healthy again.
If you married a b*tch, that's on you. If she divorced you because you're an arse, that's on you. Being a selfish narcissist isn't groundbreaking. Congrats on dying alone.
I divorced 16+ years ago. I have four adult children that I love unconditionally. I am often alone, but rarely lonely. The peace and calm that you have when you aren't having to cope with a narcissistic emotional disrespectful demanding judgmental person is amazing. I have some friends, and I have my dogs. That will be enough from here on out.
And may you live happily to the end of your days!
Agree 100% re rediscovering peace and calm although the anguish and injustice of having to leave my two kids was brutal.
I am so sorry you had to live through that and never experienced a healthy relationship. I have a good friend that went through the same thing for years. We all stayed silent because it "wasn't our business" how he wanted to live. He is divorced now and so much happier.
cope kings
Good on you brother.
I have given up at 40, people think I’m gay but I’m not. I refuse to settle on a woman I can never love
My problem is that I used to love women dearly, but now I understand them...and I'm saddened by that.
I'll be 40 in 3 months. Same conclusion.
TPE
@@Last_one_before_I_go Your sentiment resonates.
@@Last_one_before_I_gosame. I’m 27 and want to get myself into a relationship or date again. Now that I know how women can be, I get unmotivated to date. I know I’ll just sharing her with somebody else, plus, the situation/relationship won’t last anyways. I was in a relationship for 2 years. I think it’s safe to say I was the “nice guy bf” that girls use once they are fed up with the shitty men. I know exactly….how women can move. I’ve seen divorces amongst my own family as well. I’m goodn
*“Women’s groups follow a double standard: When women lag behind men, that is an injustice that must be aggressively targeted. But when men are lagging behind women, that is a triumph of equity to be celebrated.”*
― Helen Smith, Men on Strike: Why Men Are Boycotting Marriage, Fatherhood, and the American Dream - and Why It Matters
Yep. More about special privileges and revenge than it is about equality. Same with the LGBT movement these days
People are asking what the definition of a woman is, if you asked them the same question about a man the same people would say, sexist, misogynist, lazy, murderers, child molesters, etc. etc. It's the same with the 'beauty' industry. Fat women, stunning and brave. Fat men, lazy slobs to be ridiculed.
That author is wrong.
@@manifest2203 Care to elaborate?
Society has been following that double standard forever.
I have kids with 2 women. It is a nightmare. This society has destroyed women’s minds. I’ve always put the children first. Their mothers have always put themselves first. I wouldn’t have believed the terrible things they were capable of if I hadn’t seen it and been affected by it myself.
Snap!
That was the most shocking part for me as well. I didn't think Mom's could put their own "happiness" before their own kids well being. It blew my mind.
Why didn't you file for full custody of your children? You have grounds if mother is dangerous/abusive to children, has an addiction, untreated mental illness, etc. You are just as bad as these terrible mothers if you left them in custody of these women because you already see the danger to your own child.
If they were crazy it's possible, but they are borderline or narcissistic so the courts have no expertise in this area and women's groups are dead set against granting recognition of this area.
@@jeromehenry4484
@jeromehenry4484 its extremely difficult to get legal custody away from a mother. You have to have a lot of proof that she is putting them in physical danger. Its not an even playing field.
The only woman with whom I successfully lived together long term in my 20's, with no disagreements, no financial stress and a lot of mutual love and respect, was...
my mother.
This is sad no offense. It's not meant to be this way
I can't even say this. I can't quite relate to my parents, who really won't, or can't, properly understand or empathize with or teach me, as in me specifically, who I am, not some simplified, abstract child that doesn't need any consideration or individualized parenting. I'm not sure how my parents would have done with 'normal' kids either, neither of my two brothers are married or financially independent from each other, although the middle brother I think can just afford his townhouse on his salary.
Pardon the rant, it sometimes slips out. The short of it is, I wish I could even have a good relationship with just ONE of my Parents. A girlfriend is just a pipe dream to me, when people more social than me, that make more money or have more charm, are also struggling. And there ain't a lot of good fish in the sea, so to speech.
@@Tiyev It sounds you are really in a dark place. Willing to reach out.
@@namnack I don't know what to say. I kind of
@@namnack Maybe I have a mental block. I don't quite know what I'm feeling, faced with your offer. Probably fear? Or confusion. Either way, I guess I could try and keep a conversation going.
When plumbers, construction workers, electricians, make less than an OnlyFans girl, I give up on society.
The average only fans girl doesn’t make much at all.
@@Yeetus223 good, but any onlyfans girl thats allowed to be a millionaire from doing nothing for society means we have failed at getting our priorities straight
@@zephyrus3554 supply and demand 50% of men are pathetic simps
firefighters/civil servants, nurses, doctors, teachers and surgeons as well
Women aren’t to blame for that. It’s the pathetic men willing to participate and pay that are the problem.
If men are paying, they are in turn signaling “hey this is what we want!”
Men are giving up on women. We aren’t giving up on ourselves. I’m more focused on work and fitness than ever. No distractions, especially from women.
Facts brother! Work, health and wisdom will heal all.
I’ve done the same thing. Although as a woman, since I gave up on dating and decided to focus on career and health I’m shit on for being too independent, lol. Wasn’t my plan A, that’s for dang sure. But it’s peaceful, right? So there’s that.
Same
Work is another can of worms. I'm in the top 5% earners in my country and can't afford a home. Taxes are ridiculous. Work is a waste of time. I got lucky with my woman though.
@@Shvabicu Here in S.F., I'm in the top 2% in the country, and can't afford a home for a family (leaking rat traps no included). Seems like if you stop dreaming of a nice home, you hardly need to work, as many other needs can be met rather economically, especially if you can cook.
I didn't really 'check out' of society voluntarily. It's more that society rejected me from the start. I was bullied throughout my childhood. I tried to date as an adult, but I was rejected. I'm nerdy, not good-looking, and have always been shy. Society made it clear from the start that I wasn't welcome. Society is made for attractive and extroverted people that like normie thing's like football and love island etc. I simply don't fit...
You're in the top tier of humanity, you are your own man and not part of the legion of followers. You're too good for this trash society.
Nah, there are plenty of non-normie spaces. Sadly, it is almost exclusively made up by men, as women are pretty much only interested in the mainstream tabloid, low IQ bullshit. Still, no matter what your interests are, there are plenty of discords, reddits, facebook groups, forums, and whatnot.
For example, I'm part of a Warcraft III World Editor forum. We also have a Discord. Trust me, it doesn't get much more fringe than that, haha.
As much as dating sucks now, this isn't absolutely true.
Attractive introverts and ugly extroverts still can do okay.
Be honest to yourself in what you want and work on yourself to get it. It is the only thing you can control.
Maybe just date uglier girls? Western beauty is mainly an illusion anyway. 😂
It is not about being attractive. It is about being extroverted and sometimes with dark triad traits which helps in getting short if not long term relationship, or just hook up. Extroverted guy will allways get more attention than introverted or shy guy.
@303machine Been extroverted certainly helps, but looks matter a lot too, it's both really. It's also much easier to be a confident extrovert if you were good looking growing up as you are less likely to be bullied and will have more positive reinforcement.
As for the dark triad thing, I think it's a bit of a red herring. I don't think acting dark triad is going to help a sub 5 guy or even a normie get a date, more likely to get you put in prison, lol. Like, if you are a tall gym fit chad who is a bit of a psyco, women will still date you and people will respect you out of fear. But if someone is a nerdy sub 5 and you try to act like that... it just won't come of the same way, you will get your ass handed to you pretty quickly lol.
I’m 39. 3 kids recently divorced. She started getting into SM hard about 2 yrs before our divorce. That turned into her wanting to party all the time and that turned into fighting. She eventually cheated with her supervisor from work at a “work party” and left us for him. She continued to immediately (days after she moved out) have him spend time with my children. We hadn’t even had papers filed yet. She would continue to use him to hurt me with our children. I’ve been cheated on and hurt in other ways by every single woman I’ve ever been in a relationship with. I’m done. I’ll die single. I won’t put myself through it all again.
Sorry you’ve been put thru that, mate:(
@@KettleBell-ml8hx social media. Mainly TikTok and then instagram
@@KettleBell-ml8hxsocial media
So sorry for you.
Stay strong, stay single and enjoy life
“I genuinely hate living in a world where everything a man does is terrible. And no matter what a woman does, she’s amazing” - Patrice O’Neal
western society needs change
Women are far from amazing, I find then whiney, self centered, sometimes obnoxious and really not worth the effort.
So not true. Only in the lamestream media does that happen. On the streets, in the real world, there are real people who value the male mind, body and soul.
Rip Patrice.
Liberal world order for ya. Now i understand why taliban fought so hard to keep this degeneracy from destroying their culture.
Why Are So Many Men Checking Out Of Society? The answer is VERY simple. They have FINALLY had enough.
And it was about time.
Guys are giving up because the vast majority of wømen are sharing the top 20 percent of men (maybe even less, like the top 10%). This is likely only going to get worse, not better…. because wømen really don’t care what most men are going through.
I hope some fight club style revolution happens and everything is reduced to nothing for us to build from again
Yassss
It’s really interesting to see whats happening. I think massively overvalued housing combined with the biased mechanisms of dating apps, decline of social skills and increase in alternative entertainment is leading men to just give up on wanting to purse relationships and it’s now causing a massive change in global social trends. We’re seeing a rapid decline in the number of people wanting to have children and men now deciding to totally step away from the dating/relationship scene, we’re potentially seeing the beginning of the collapse of a civilisation unlike anything we’ve ever seen before in history. I think most people get the feeling we’re at the end of an era and things are really starting to fall apart at this point, men giving up on relationships is a major escalation in the collapse of a society as we know it, will be an interesting period of history.
The fact that so many channels have to put up thousands (hyperbole) of disclaimers before they talk about men's issues is pretty damning evidence for the empathy gap for men and men's issues.
The fact that we have to outright say "me talking about men's issues does NOT mean women's issues are less serious or not important" should be enough proof that men's issues need to be talked about more.
I think it was Bettina Arndt who spoke to feminist who admitted boys were falling behind in education. When asked what she thought should be done about, the feminist replied, "Wait 2,000 years and address it then." I don't give a rat's ass about feminist issues-WE OWE THEM NOTHING.
Feminism. Fighting the oppression of selfish, obnoxious upper class females in the First World since 1848.
We can thank feminists treating mens rights activists like they're dangerous misogynists for those attitudes.
So true!
What you mean that it’s taboo to talk about mens issues? Whierd
@@brianmeen2158 what dont you understand? the women of today were raised by the women you grew up with. What does that say about men back then? All those single mothers the men in your generation and earlier left in their wake.
ask any modern woman and she'll eventually bring up how women were enslaved by your generation and earlier and thats why they do OF, boss babe strong independent dont need no man sht, market their bodies on social media etc as they dpnt want to end up like their mothers who grew up with men in your generation
Honestly I think we are all just burnt out. It’s expensive to simply exist and take care of yourself, let alone be available for another. If you commute and work 40hrs a week, those other two days simply aren’t enough time to reboot. Instead we’re running errands, cleaning, doing laundry, and attempting a social/creative life/downtime/processing of events or emotions. Is it really any wonder people prefer their, frankly, measly downtime alone?
The economy has finally caught up to me as well.
I need to work 46 hours a week at a previously good paying job just to keep afloat.
23% inflation these passed few years cut everything I worked for for the last 30 years in half.
And, I believe it was all by design.
@@NarwahlGamingI’m in the same boat. I finally obtained a good paying job that I like and almost a year later my apartment is sold because of the inflated real estate market. I now have to pay $1,000.00 more a month just to live somewhere decent and safe.
Why can't you function in that frame and single Boomers and Xers did?
We didn't have money though you think We did. I worked 70-75 hours a week in my 20s and didn't whine.
I agree 100% with this
Thank you, perfect 😊
This society has become hostile to men but we are still expected to support it financially.
Yes, like at concerts or at restaurants, violence is being used for people to control others or get things. I'll pass.
That is sad and frightening
This is why my goal has been leaning HEAVILY towards passive income (mainly investing). I want to get out of the ratrace as soon as possible. It also knocks me down a couple tax brackets to boot!
If a man shows you the generosity to love you and financially support you, appreciation and respect are due.
My experience in marriage is that there are always things to work through as a couple, but open communication and respect go a long way.
It’s not easy being a man at the moment. Glad you’re here, though, Mark. All the best.
Because of patriarchy
The main motivation for men to do what we've been doing for thousands of years was to support a family. Nowadays that's no longer necessary so we're just checking out? Plus society has been telling us for decades that the future is female and men are not needed so we're just stepping back and letting the women handle it from now on. They're strong and independent, they got it.
piss on em 😂
@@robertwilber1909 they do that themselves already
It's gotten to the point that tranwomen are replacing them! 😂 So much for toxic masculinity 😂
@@eb3langer do what - the world they depend on is overhelmingly kepts going by......Men
@@indrajeet sarcasm…
Society used to be interesting, exciting, open, likable. But now, it is vicious, ugly, unlovable, close-minded, and whole-heartedly degenerate in vices. What we are seeing is what you'd expect given the 'inputs'.
Men have problems being productive because men lack accountability. They whine about women all the time and blame women and think that is accountability. Society has coddled men beyond measure. The only time most men can be productive is when another man is oppressing them. If not they get easily inebriated with something or the other. That is why most addictions affect men much more than women- p*orn, video games, sports, social media, alcholism and substance abuse.
yup, the west is collapsing
Read the book the tipping point by by Malcolm Gladwell. It's a good book and the Bud Light Boycott is a good example of once you push things too far there are surprises for the elite. I've been past this point for sometime, but the masses seem to be getting there and the tipping point may finally be upon us. Congratulations western women you have driven men to just walk away.
Its an inevitable consequence of rising economic inequality. As times become tougher, people become more selfish to survive and society turns dog-east-dog. There is lots of data that shows that more economically unequal societies are more violent and politically volatile because everyone is fighting everyone all the time just to get by.
Society has become fragmented and atomised with different groups forced to live together without co-operation and trust. Large numbers of aliens are imported and generations are set against each other. Everybody hates boomers, but boomers had no more control over anything than any other generation have. Also, social media has made too many people think they're the star of their own show and everyone else is just an extra.
“There are worse things than being alone, but usually by the time you realize it, it’s too late. And there’s nothing worse than too late” - bukowski
When society has apparently decided that you are to blame for every single bad thing in the world, it is perfectly natural to flip society the bird and walk away.
Yeah, Cultural Marxism has to be destroyed.
How convenient that you guys don't blame the sexual offenders, rapists and other male criminals that are responsible. You blame "society".....
@@Michaeleism Actually, men tend to be much tougher on criminals than do women. Look to see who comprises the bleeding hearts that find excuses for criminals. Look to see who whines about murderers getting the Death Penalty.
@Michaeleism oh yeah because you know men are so evil and women are just so lovely and delightful these days....
@@Michaeleism "sexual offenders, rapists and other male criminals" I blame the single mothers who raised them
As a man I just feel we've been beat down. We all get judged by women on the actions of like 10 maybe 15 percent of the male population. All the while women have higher and higher expectations. I don't date, I don't hookup. I work I have my hobbies I'm good.
Hell yeah man, one love.
Same, and now I couldn't care less about the judgments or the whining and crying. I just do the few things I love to do and tune out ALL the noise. It's so nice.
@@Concatenate I feel that!
It is really a lot more than 15% of the population of men and we don't know which of you it will be and it is like Russian Roulette for us.
Women always chase after those 10% of men. Those 10% of men treat women bad because they know women will let them.
I'm turning 40 this year. Been single since last year and not really interested in having children or getting back into the dating markets. Most of my friends are either divorced or stuck in miserable marriages. I can relate
You forgot to mention, or you don't know - most of your married guy friends have wives that cheat on them. Most wives have sex with co-workers, their personal trainer(s), their bosses, and even go to gangbang orgies and come home and look their husband in the eye and tell him 'You haven't been there for me!' and throw tantrums, put on crying acts, all so they can keep exploiting and using their husband.
Enjoy your freedom and money.
Don't do it, I'm also 42 and single for life. Work, play, and gather money; difficult times are ahead of us men.
@@ss0498 I am. Love the freedom. I'm not wealthy but not struggling either.
Well what if it was possible to spend time with new friends, those who are happily married. I have never seen somebody who says he is friend with millionnaires and he/she is still broke after 3 to 5 years. Most of the people we have who are in toxic relationships shape our unhelpful beliefs and narratives. This invisible trauma can take years to heal.
Biologically I'll never lose interest in women. The thought of love and intimacy will always be one of the most amazing things i have experienced. But there is social and civil norms in todays world that encourages bad and self serving behaviour that makes it too dangerous for me to take that leap of faith now. I just don't belong in the time we are living in
I deleted social media off my phone for just a day and I already feel clarity. Feel more free. It's crazy what can happen when we delete that toxicity from our lives. Start there.
UA-cam is social media.
You're on UA-cam man. Lol
But how do you cope with all the insanity you learned from social media? How do you live say by day while knowing that the crazies that are online can exist in real life too?
@@MacSmithvox The irony seems to be lost.
On a planned 90 day kick myself. Off all social media with the exception of messenger for family reasons. You will absolutely not regret taking that time for yourself. Being off social media so far has brought me so much peace, and after 3ish weeks I'm debating whether or not to extend the break for 6 months. Social media fuels our bad tendencies.
Because no matter what you do, how hard you work, be honest and try to do the 'right thing' or how much you try to please people; you can't f**ing win.
Truth, there’s only one person that rightfully deserves to be pleased, instead of using him to serve others ungratefully. You’re looking at him in the mirror
If you're doing the "right thing" for others then you don't deserve to win. You do the "right thing" because that's what you believe in. That way you're internally motivated and satisfied with life
Instead if a young woman does a lousy 10 minute job for an older businessman, she still gets rewarded half a man's monthly salary.
Yeah
@@mattthx50 You don't even need to cheat. Just use the rules of the system against itself. Why I think learning about Economics and Finance is important
My 16 yr old son caught his mother with another man. We separated after 17 yrs. He said to me he will never forget what she did and never look at women the same. He’s 18 now and he is into hookup culture. Told me he’s not interested in ever getting married or having a family with any of these girls. I never discouraged it but I know why he sees it like this.
How is the relationship with his mother now?
This is the future so it’s only going to get worse…my boys are 12 and 5 and I don’t even want to think what it will be like for them
@@untouchableghost6757 You are a lucky one. As western economies crumble, this crap will go away, as feminist empowerment is based solely on mens resources being funneled to them by government. Without excess of wealth those parasites can do nothing, as they themselves do not generate any value.
As free money is drying up, women will have to adapt. Men as well, but to a far lesser degree. Women will whine and cry, as per usual, but most men already seen this whole "empowerment" crap and how it works. So they will be far more resistant to womens whining and demands. So women will have to learn to be feminine and reasonable, or starve. As amount of money they can get from Uncle Sam will diminish greatly.
So by the time your 12 year old will enter dating world things will be going up. By the time younger enter it, it is a good chance that relationship balance will more or less equalize.
Parasitism cannot last, as it eventually kills the host. We are pretty much there. West is going down the drain and fast. It will get much harder for everyone, but for some it will be so much worse. Men generate value and they do not need much. Modern western women, on the other hand, are used to get a LOT for nothing.
@@53Strat well he don’t wanna live with her he moved in with me.
@@tiagocrypto I say I have two I have an adopted son and a real son but I was baby trapped with him…I’m having vasectomy next year and I pray to god everyday that I don’t have daughters 🙏 I can’t go back in time so I have to do the best I can in this world now 🌎 I’m also glad I never married!!
I have to say, its a blessing that I met my wife of 13 years at high school. I'm 36 now and I haven't had to experience any of this though sometimes, the feeling of being worthless has darkened my mind...a reflection on the society I am forced to live in.
Best I can do is make my son strong, honest, compassionate, smart and brave enough to navigate his generations future adventures and struggles.
Gave up women ten years ago. My mental health has improved, I'm financially stable and extremely happy. I love life without complications. My experience of relationships with women were always negative. I don't need a woman to complete my life and never experience loneliness.
💯 brother
1000% Same here. My finances are wonderful.
Awesome, rock on
The combination of corn syrup, technology, things that are not "politically correct" to discuss, and even more have created a situation. 95% of the women that take care of themselves physically are in a relationship. The remaining 5% are outnumbered by single men 20 to 1. If you count women who do not take care of themselves physically its closer to even. I'm not one of those guys that says "I'm working on myself" or "going to the gym" because that stuff is mega f****** cringe. I mountain bike to clear my arteries so I can see what happens in 50 years (and the adrenaline), I exceed the 666 rule, but it doesn't matter because for every 1 single woman that takes care of herself physically there are 20 single dudes. Women can look at a guy and go "good head and face, funny, his extra 60 pounds don't matter" and I guess they assume men will therefore also overlook her extra 60 pounds but that just isn't how reality works. I could probably find someone who is 60 pounds overweight and needs someone to pay for her kids to go to college but I have a lot of stupid hobbies that I actually enjoy and would continue to have whether I was in a relationship or not so I'll have to pass on the chance for an overweight wife and paying for her kids' college. And the statistics about the number of single men actively in/non-in the market is kind of funny because for most of us whether we are in the market or not doesn't change anything. I could be in the market or not and the only thing it would affect is an Excel spreadsheet on some psychologist's desk. So I'll be in the market on Tuesdays and Thursdays unless it's raining in Paraguay and not in the market other days and full moons and lunar eclipses but solar eclipses are still okay if it's February in Texas
@@northernguy4262and then you get back to your OnlyFans subscriptions.
The primary drive for men doing something best out of the ability is the reward of getting a women. We are in a world where that is no longer the case, and so the drive just fades away.
Biggest facts I’ve ever seen. You deserve way more likes. This is exactly the issue.
change "woman" for "partner" and you'll be much more inclusive about it. (that and a hell of a lot more people are bisexual, but living in a heterosexual catered world, so they've never really questioned it, or had to)
@@stratavosstuff7575 lmfao get outta here with your wokeism.
@@stratavosstuff7575 NPC robot detected, go use your intelligence-dead phrases you were half-wittingly told to say somewhere else.
@@stratavosstuff7575 even if we agree your point , nothing is tougher than a straight man trying to get a straight women.
I'm part of the this 50%. I've checked out completely and it's more peaceful than ever.
Yeah, peace in one's own company is incomparable
Good.
If you meet a loner, no matter what they tell you, it’s not because they enjoy solitude. It’s because they have tried to blend into the world before, and people continue to disappoint them.
Jodi Picoult
Sure rings true for me !!
As a single man, maintaining a close relationship with my parents have become ever so important. Your parents get old and need help time to time and it's very rewarding. No one loves you more unconditionally than your decent parents.
1 hunnit percent my guy!
Agreed. I'm an only child and grandchild. Lost my dad to cancer last year and all I have left is my mom, her parents, and my grandma on my dad's side.
I'll never have a family of my own so I take care of my mom and her parents. It's not the life I thought I'd be living but nothing else ever worked out for me. At least my mom loves me unconditionally.
It's a rather sad life when I think about it but I've never done well with women despite being a bit above average in looks and in the top .1% in terms of fitness/body.
the only loyalty i have is to my family i.e parents, they are the only ones who have been there for me.
i prefer doing the family thing i like having kids around makes me happy plus they help me fix stuff lol
My dad wants grandkids, have to keep my distance.
I find myself deeply disillusioned with the state of the world. While I am by no means a violent individual, I am profoundly disheartened by the overall state of humanity. As a child, I held great expectations for adulthood, even in the face of significant hardships and unfortunate events within the system. However, upon reaching adulthood, I came to the stark realization that the reality before me seemed lackluster and disingenuous.
It has become increasingly apparent that many aspects of our perception are illusory, and a prevailing sense of isolation permeates our society. I have observed that many individuals are primarily motivated by self-interest, leading me to question the authenticity of human connections. It appears that our world is built upon a foundation of deceit and pretense, with luck playing a significant role in determining one's success or failure.
It is disheartening to witness how an honest, hardworking individual with a compassionate heart can be marginalized and perceived as a mere failure for not adhering to the unspoken rules governing the game of life. Such a state of affairs leaves me profoundly disappointed and sorrowful.
I can greatly empathize with what you wrote. At 45 yo, I feel about like you describe. I just disagree with where you concluded your thoughts. Examine history for context. At no point has humanity had it easy, have had a utopia. There has always been struggle. Embrace life and humanity as the imperfect mess it is and has always been. Embrace the struggle. Focus on your purpose and move on, ignoring the rest, and treating it as just a distraction.
Indeed, well put
This sounds like a typical realization that most people encounter as they grow up. The greater and nobler your previous idea of the world was, the more disappointed you are apt to be, so your feelings are understandable. There are good people out there, but most people aren’t selfless altruists. You can become successful if you work hard, but your financial remuneration is not perfectly correlated with your level of effort. It is shaped, by your courage, strategic thinking, tenacity, and yes, by luck.
@@deanomec Very well stated. This is how I live my life, seeking out the positive and giving back positive, rather than negative vibes. Too much focus on the negative can lead to everything people are expressing in here, feelings of defeat, negative thoughts and just simply, giving up. That strategy will lead to isolation and depression for sure.
Prayers for tyr, old champion of justice. May his teachings never be forgotten
i mean for me it was mostly because i was lied to most of my young life. i was told work hard, study, go to college, and you'll get a good job and find a wonderful feminine wife to marry and have kids with. welp, what actually happened was i ended up with loads of student loan debt, graduated college in 2010 and couldn't get hired because i had no experience and no woman would even look my way because i didnt make $100k/year at 23.
at a certain point you come to realize the society you live in largely hates you, actively sabotages you, and lies to you in order to put you on a debt treadmill you'll never get off of. in short, when societies become predatory, people tend to drop out of that society and pursue something different. marriage, jobs and most of our social institutions simply exist to exploit or discard men. those that cant produce a profit are tossed in jail or condemned to live a life of poverty. i know a rigged game when i see it. sometimes the only way to win is not to play.
You not making money isn't the reason women didn't look your way. It might be a little piece but it's not the entire reason
Exactly. I followed that script mostly and was lied to, manipulated and exploited. On jobs, in school, in friendships, in my birth family etc.
I came to realize that I was an exploitable-not really seen as a real person but a tool to be used and discarded.
I was filled with rage and eventually vowed to use my brain power to get even, punish those who EFFED me and EFF them back.
I stayed silent , got rid of socializing, went to gym and got tip top fit healthy and stacked as much money as I could.
I finally came up with a "freedom plan and was able to retire at age 58.
The pandemic was actually a further bonus because I was able to set firmer boundaries with birth family because they saw me be prosperous and always had their hands out to be given something. And yes the women are greedy for money and pocket watch cobstantly.
They almost EFFED me and one sibling made a critical mistake that showed me the bit-- would take all I had and leave me by the side of the road.
I CLOSED my wallet then and there. Of course she stopped speaking. Good riddance.
At age 69 I'm 11 years out of the system, and a lone wolf. I have speaking acquaintanceships, travel a little, exercise, meditate and pray a lot.
This world is a damn racket but I managed to create my own world within it by rejecting conventional conformity and it's onerous burdens-and then what.
Sigma male here for sure.
I feel the same way. I’m a civil engineer which is the lowest paying engineers typically and that’s not good enough for women. A few of my friends make 85-90k, more than 20k more than me and they get all the attention from the average girls. It’s tough out here for sure.
LOL what kind of women were you dating that expected you to make that much? You must have been attracted to shallow women.
That's a lie. Currently in college and know people around the 20-25 age group that don't make no where near 100,000 but have girlfriends. Things in life don't get handed to you, women don't come because you make over 100,000 per year. Work on your personality and attributes
Fuck all this psychobabble. The reason we are losing interest in women is we are tired of getting screwed over, primarily money-wise, but sometimes emotionally as well.
Well said! “Psychobabble” lol. I’m going to steal that word and use it at work!
I've always been an outsider whose never really fitted in, so it's my default state. As I've got older I've learnt to make peace with it and found acceptance. It's liberating and refreshing.
Hear, hear
The most common and often used word to describe me, since I was about 12 years old, has been "odd". I don't see it as negative and it's rarely been used in a negative way. It's simply the recognition that I don't do, think or say what other people would.
I've always considered myself, if not quite a square peg, certainly not round, and fitting into any hole has always required a lot of effort, effort that as I've aged I simply don't make for lack of any obvious rewards.
After (another) redundancy, and a divorce, I retired in my early 50s and immigrated to Thailand. My intention was to live a solitary life with minimal interaction. I ended up helping a few people improve their English, things progressed and I ended up marrying an amazing Thai women.
She was a high earning, well educated, corporate type, who retired at 40 to look after her parents. Her family thinks she's "odd", for not getting married, not having kids, giving up a great job, etc, but because I don't fit the foreigner stereotypes they think I'm "odd" as well.
I guess that makes us an odd couple, but damn, we fit well together. We have so many shared values, views and simple wants, it's like I found the other shoe that made us a perfect pair.
I don't know if you'll ever find your other shoe, but I hope you do, even if you don't, I hope not fitting in doesn't lead to a negative view of life.
Yeah I had the same issue where I could never fit in with any group, from my youngest age. The young days when I actually worried about that and kept trying to fit in was a worst time in my life. Now I look back and am actually amused that once upon a time I actually dreamed of being one of the stupid normies. :D The music these "cool" people listen to alone is probably enough to give me brain cancer.
1) tattoos 2) single mom with someone else's children 3) hair colors not found in natural hair 4) T shirts or any other clothing with 'empowerment' messages or "I'm Great' messages. Avoid these & you at least have a chance.
Lol good tips :D
My goodness, how I loathe tattoos!
@@danwallach8826 Neck tattoos are a deal breaker even for felons on parole.
@@danwallach8826 I felt the same way about piercings, now I couldn't give a toss, it's just not my concern anymore!
Don't forget piercings in places they don't belong.
People always say: just join a club, make new friends etc...but I'd say that past the age of 21, most people don't really make any new 'real friends'.
@@cordfortina9073depends I have one best mate I met at the age of 21 who I enjoyed working with. The rest of the colleagues were arseholes I wouldn't give time of day for. Overall your colleagues aren't your mates keep them at bay iv seen too many arselickers and back stabbers running in the office.
@@cordfortina9073and maybe better this way. Friends can easily become enemies and who needs them at work?
Most people never make real friends. Everyone is just using each other for entertainment and feeling good.
I’m 21, and pursuing girls in my teenage years with social media in the background was fcking brutal man. You’re competing with like hundreds of guys constantly fill one day you wake up and you’re like wtf am I doing? At the moment I just wanna make sure that the next person I let into my life is the right person. I know there’s no way to know that but in the meantime, maybe just grow as a person.
You are 100% right & I admire your attitude of learning who & how you are, what you what out of life & building a life that agrees with you before involving anyone else in it. As an elder, I wish I would have had presence of mind to get educated & build a suitable life for myself before involving anyone else in it & before creating another life. Congratulations on having your priorities right. Well done so far & when the time is right to expand your life, you will know it. I certainly wish you the best life has to offer bc you are young enough to enjoy the journey and reap the benefits from patience & good choices. ~
Take it from a gay man, I just totally reject social media. Even gay guys were fucked up by online cruising and they could get away with it. I have seen it from the beginning back in 1997, to the early 2000's when it was nice, but then grindr hit and it destroyed all the gay boys. I remember when I heard about women getting on the internet just a few years ago, maybe 8 years or so I knew it was not going to work. I always make this joke with transexual when they argue they have female gender, "what kind of women just wanders off into the bushes to have anonymous sex with a bunch of men? Women don't do that because any women who did that would have died a long time ago, gay men do that, they're just a gay man in drag. Men don't have a choice about male sex drive. And neither do women, there is no way women can go online. No way. Listen to me, You just have to have real good social skills in real life. Read eye contact, believe in yourself and directly approach real women who have real interest with you in real life. And then if you meet a women and you find out she was online, you break up with her. You just eliminate any women online from your life and only talk to real women in real life.
Always be set in your "ways". When my friends say I'm too set in my ways, I tell them I've always been set in my ways and as I aged, I made fewer exceptions.
Don’t fuck with women that have a relationship with their phone or any social media other than like YT. That will instantly eliminate all the trash. GL👍🏻✌🏻
Lol 😂😂
I gave up on women over ten years ago. Life is just less stressful....less $$$$ is needed. Less material things are needed. Life is just easier without women.
You win the internet
Ya damn right!
I don't think it's easier without women, I just think it's easier to not marry them.
Lol
This is so accurate, I have given up on women because there is nothing you can do that is enough.
When the game is rigged, the winning move is not to play.
I love how the old timer can't even contemplate young guys not being girl crazy. He's 100 percent right. Guys in his time would sign away their life and work any shyty job just to get peggy sue next door to marry them.
They would now, but this world is a completely different place from what it was in the 20th Century.
His generation wasn’t addicted to porn so they actually had the drive to pursue women.
@@CatharticCreation His generation used porn just as today's generations do. Porn became a multimillion dollar business in the 1980s with expansion of men's ('adults only') magazines everywhere, and the expansion of VHS porn tape sales. It only got bigger as an industry in the 90's and 00's with the DVD. 1990 was 33 years ago. The mid 80s, when every city had a small market with a cordoned-off men's / adult magazine section (with mags like Hustler, Chic, Penthouse, High Society, and the like -- all with plenty of pics of nude women) was almost 40 years ago. So porn use is not a new thing. The main difference between now and back then is that in the 80s and 90s people actually dated. Now you have dating apps, where you swipe right or swipe left, discarding people all purely based on looks and superficiality. Totally materialistic way of treating other people. Then maybe you "get acquainted further" via text, which is really no way to get to know anyone. Online dating sites are just as bad, being filled with people already in relationships (30% according to a 2010's study) and bots -- and probably some real people as well. I'm a guy and I've had bots try to friend me on social media nearly every week -- fake names, stolen pics pulled from some woman's social media account, fake locations, the whole thing. All fake, and powered by bots. It's hard to find a genuine partner in a world of fake. It can be done, I suppose, but it's not likely. And that isn't even taking the divorce statistics into account. If the drive to pursue women has changed, it has to do with many other factors than porn use. Porn use is the symptom, the result, of a broken dating system and broken marriage institution. Not the cause of it.
Same thing is happening in Europe, Japan, Korea etc.
@@CatharticCreation People liked porn just fine back in the day, it was just harder to come by because the Internet hadn't been popularized yet. I was in middle school in the early '90s and it was all Hustler magazine back then -- but boys will be boys, and Hustler used to move a lot of paper to feed material into the spank banks of horny teenagers, haha.
It was the same for Boomers in the '60s.
I think it boils down to this. It's too much work when the prize is to be a woman's 2nd (or 3rd or 4th choice). There are enough alternatives and distractions available to men, to stave off feelings of loneliness, to make the extra effort involved in romancing a woman just not worth it. As my boss likes to say, "The juice isn't worth the squeeze". I'm in my 50s now and married with children but if 21 year old me stepped into a time machine in the early 90s and was teleported to 2024 I wouldn't even bother. My heart breaks for young people trying to navigate the relationship scene these days. It seems awful.
I've been single for 14 years and have been celibate for 7. Women and sex are a thing of the past for me and I'm doing better now than ever before in my life.
Yes let your legacy die and be lonely because the red pill community convinced you that ALL women are evil….🤡
Dishonesty .. typical.. I can do that but u can't ... U are just lying about the real underlying truths
@@northernguy4262 Do we? I'm mid 20's and already checked out.
@@northernguy4262 I'm a 36 yr old female retired and I'm CONSTANTLY asked why I don't have kids and why I'm not married. I was a travel and wildlife photographer for 10 years and my travels around the world taught me the magic of international real estate. Great investments lead to retiring at 36. I chased the money instead of men and don't regret. My biggest headaches and heartaches have been from men. I don't think its a man vs woman issue. Society just sucks as a whole. Many women, including myself, have also wasted a lot of time and money. I've dated guys who don't have what I have and its much easier to date someone in my tax bracket who won't take advantage but finding a man my age that can match what I have is rare so I just keep to myself. Like you, I have no interest in being someone's meal ticket. Again, it goes both ways.
It's surprising how many times I read stuff like this! 7 years of celibacy is no big deal though regardless of what the alpha dudebro types say--if a guy gets rabidly horny when he's 12 and fux when he's 19, that's 7 years of involuntary celibacy. Big deal.
Many decades of it is quite common. You just don't hear anyone bragging about it, that's all.
Bruh you know the answer..there are zero benefits and extreme risk. Stay strong fellas...we are meant for more, even if that means alone
I was married for a long time. My wife cheated on me and I left her when I was 40. It's been awful since then and I've given up. Although I look young for my age, work out, have all my hair, am successful in my employment and my activism, and have good social skills, it's never enough. I can get a girl's phone number almost at will, but it never goes anywhere. They either just never respond to any of my communications, or they make a date and flake out at the last minute or just don't show up. After putting up with that for a few years, I just gave up. I've focused on myself and not having my self esteem be based on what some woman thinks about me. I don't even look at women anymore. Also, not just women, but people in general are just so unapproachable these days with smart phones. Everyone has their face in their phone.
quit making so many dam excuses u can do it if u really want to
@@goldienakamoto7894 The point is that he doesn’t WANT to. Women these days have become such poor quality, narcissistic mates…that many men feel it is just not worth the effort to try to invest in them anymore.
Seriously. Just look at the line of disrespectful treatment he’s been subjected to…
I understand shits gotten pretty bad out here but without them we cant have fucking kids man well guess we may be going to war soon so maybe now isnt the time for kids ahh well buy some bitcoin and gold cheers mates!!@@kellygreenii
I'm in the same boat, brotha
lmao you are literally admitting the feedback you’re getting is that you are not good at conversation or social skills because women don’t respond.
They give you their phone number because A, women actually have empathy and don’t want to embarrass you in public by declining.
B, many are afraid of a man being violent when rejected.
You’re going on about having all your hair and going to the gym, when in reality you should be acquiring self awareness and going to a good psychotherapist.
I am Russian, lived in NYC for more than a decade , tried meeting women in NYC, it was almost impossible, had thousands of rejections. I m now in Colombia. Women are much easier to talk to , very feminine. But still, I believe the best mindset for us men is to focus on business and improving our lives instead of trying to find dates. When you start feeling accomplished and start radiate this energy of completeness, the correct women will be drawn to you . I’m not trying to get into a relationship , focusing most of my energy on business . But at least there’s no problem with finding great sex in Colombia, if one really has an urge for it. I think the global society as a whole took a wrong turn and is moving towards selfish , materialistic living , which I don’t think leads to happiness of most members of society. Peace ❤
Very wise, sir. And impressive.
Of course globalism has created a selfish society. With Tribe and nation you have common bonds of blood and culture. You will give up some of your selfish interests for the good of the Tribe.
Globalism intentionally tries to break the ties of kinship, the tribe, and the nation and build a global citizen concerned with the world. Of course, this is impossible. Why would I sacrifice for some dude in the Sudan who I would probably have nothing in common with, at best, or loath his belief system at worse.
Be careful in Columbia, they are drugging and robbing foreigners down there.
That’s an interesting take on it. My question is do the women in Columbia have to worry so much about being raped and killed? That is a real problem in America. Women have to worry about it so now they are hostile towards men not only that but men are abusive. There is so much aggression with the men here you have to worry about them beating you. is it like that in Columbia? Just curious.
@@jennifervaughn1541 the statistics on rape were dropping every year and bottomed out by 2015 and then suddenly shot up. What do think accounts for the explosion in sexual assault? Unfettered illegal immigration. Where do most of the immigrants come from? I'll leave the rest to you. Regardless, your contention is total baloney. A man has a much higher chance of being accused of a crime within a relationship that is utterly false than you have in being an actual victim of one - the reason being that people are eager today to believe it. Hence, the entire topic we are discussing which is why men are avoiding relationships altogether. It isn't just being raked through courts, but through the justice system with false allegations. A man can't even say "hi" at work without being dragged into HR and accused of "harassment".
"Why Are So Many Men Checking Out Of Society?"
Well let's make a list of reasons:
- I'm a man (enough said, cause feminism)
- There are expectations that are expected of me because I am a man, but if I do said expectations I am ridiculed, and if I don't do it I am ridiculed.
- Society constantly tells me how worthless I am (media)
- I'm full of toxic masculinity, because I like to workout and do other masculine driven activities
- I'm a loser because I like to play video games
- I've been told by college girls I'm a baby killer because of my military service
- Hard time talking to girls because unless it's through a phone it's considered creepy to talk in person
- I'm a natural rapist because having any interest in a girl is considered property of sexual harassments and they have to be careful around me for just even saying "Hi"
- Most people don't know how to flirt
- About 90% of places are now considered to be "off limits" to flirting activities and interests (workplace, public areas, ect.)
- I "should" have a political team I support but I don't, I'm independent, and that throws people off
- Because I'm a minority, Asian, I have to play as a "victim", oppress the Caucasian population and expected to like Asian cultural things, despite being born and raised in America.
- I'm not allowed to be happy under any circumstance, because the world is on fire and if they are miserable I have to be miserable instead of making the best of my circumstance and working hard to remove myself from said situation.
I could go on, but I don't want to write a full fledge essay on my phone.
Great video BTW.
Facts
@Alexander_Snowden but what🤔
my favorite part is where you say not allowed to be happy. Thank you sincerely for sharing. Men understand. Cheers
I got called a baby killer too
I replied
"I worked in an office. For 4 years I didn't touch a single firearm. I almost forgot this was the military.
It was a regular job but with a hat and uniform"
Most of the reasons you listed are in your own head and/or just excuses you’ve made up to justify getting no women. The boogeyman isn’t out to get you. Most girls don’t think military men are baby killers 😂😂 you’re over reacting to one situation
it's simple. as a guy, you have to do so much to get a girl (dress well/work out/make good money/be funny/be interesting/not have any mental health issues/be social/be good at sex/not be clingy/be masculine/not be shallow and just attracted to looks/behave properly on a date/not be weird IN ANY WAY... oh, and don't forget be attractive, anyway, anything not less than perfect will do). also, I'm all for getting into a relationship with a friend but not every guy has a ton of friends who are girls. And after all this it's not even guaranteed you're gonna get a good girl. I see lots of women just not understanding how hard it is for many guys, they're just that ignorant. So why bother.
Also a lot of women are like "you men just want sex" but then when they go on a few dates with a guy and he is not doing anything physical they're like "what's wrong with him", the hypocrisy?!
Women are way more interested in sex than men they are way creepier about it too
I really appreciated reading this. I am a 40 yr old woman looking to meet a compatible guy. I am someone who takes care of herself, has a good job, and doesn't expect anything from a guy that I wouldn't expect from myself (taking care of himself, have his own hobbies, honest, growth mindset, etc). I want you to know that there ARE many, many good women out there like me. Many of us feel just as much, if not more, pressure about dating: will we be seen as too old by guys in our own age bracket? Having to balance being single and financially independent while also not letting that come off as "masculine", wanting to date but also having to be extra cautious because of sexual assault etc. I am a feminist who loves and worries about the men in my society, and I am definitely not the only one. Feminism was originally a movement to help women free themselves from the oppressive place they'd been placed in society. I have read many of these comments and it seems that men are feeling oppressed and hopeless and are also wanting a social change. I acknowledge that many structures in marriage/ divorce have led to men getting the short end of the stick and, I can see why that would be unappealing. For a long time, women were given the short end of the stick in terms of safety, careers/ pay, education and domestic expectations. Up until recently in our society, many women had little to no say in who they married (this is still true all over the world)!
What I really want to convey is this: Our men are clearly in pain and without a healthy way to express it except through commenting on videos like this. Just like there is toxic feminism (which is the loudest, but smallest group!) that grows in the shadows and in echo chambers, there is a lot of toxic masculinity being developed (like Andrew Tate etc). I think this is because men don't have the practice of expressing their pain and needs in a healthy way. Many of the comments I read were expressed in a very healthy way and WE NEED TO HEAR IT! Men, please talk to each other and share your pain. Men, please talk to a therapist. Men, please talk to US (without calling us all hoes or gold diggers, etc). We love you and we want you to be healthy. We want society to be healthy and for everyone to have their place TOGETHER, not hiding in hate like hermits.
With love,
one of many women who care about you
It’s hard for women too, men just use women for sex and get bored and leave. Not many men trying all that you wrote about. Most men just want free sex and do nothing for a woman.
@@lindsaymitchell1174 Good post. Sad to say the vast bulk of men out there are not worth knowing. If you have tried online dating you will know this already LOL.
@@lindsaymitchell1174I used to be like you. Give up . There is no hope . I no longer care for men but i’ll like your comment bc you did say some correct things about toxic masculinity
I’m fine with having less and never having to impress.
Women are never happy unless it’s at someone else expense.
We as men and boys were told if we didn’t like just go away so now we are. Stop feeling obligated to do more or be better for a society that hates us but clearly dependent on us.
How dependent is society on you if you can drop out and nobody notices or cares?
If all men dropped out Society would collapse. Only reason it does not is because not all men will, however, people are already complaining about the amount of men not in the work force. So we shall see what happens in the future.@@KnottyCeltic
true but then there shouldn't be any complaint from anyone.@@KnottyCeltic
Yes. It will be interesting to - eventually - compare the achievements of all the old white men to those of all the new black, brown and female leaders we so often observe appointed to powerful positions nowadays. Time will tell.@TonyT2525
They find 80% of men unattractive. So why would they play a game where the results are 0. Better to give up than wife up a single mother just because you want to fill that "void"
There's just not much out there worth working for any longer. I would bet this is a pretty good reason to check-out of our deteriorating, sick society.
good comment!
True. Quality and sincerity are rare, not common. I think Napoleon Hill wrote that line, about 100 years ago.
Not in the U.S, for sure. Check out some other nations, like Russia. Ukraine also, they have few men left, just don't get involved in the Wests attempts to dominate make everyone like themselves).
Yes, if we have to put in 3x the amount of effort that our grandfathers did merely to end up with 1/3 of what our grandfathers had, what do you expect to happen except for a bunch of people giving up on society altogether; giving up on dating and relationships; giving up on their goals and dreams to marry and have children?
@@TheFallenAngelWhoWas Well, maybe they can fight to make thing better for the future, like their forefathers did?
I’m 41 years old. I’ve never been married, never had children, and never will be married and I am too old to have children. I have been very successful in my career and after watching around a dozen male family members and friends lose everything after their wives decided to step out on them and the resulting divorce taking their pensions and financial future; I see ZERO reason to date or get married.
Welcome to the club
@@redpillrussel I’ve been in the club for 20 years. Ha!
You aren't too old at 41 years old.
Smart Man, keep up the good work!
You don't regret having no children?
I checked out 20 years ago.
My bipolar wife wrecked our lives and the health service simply made matters worse. My employer had no sympathy with my difficulties in trying to care for her. I saw some nasty goings on at work with false allegations by women against colleagues... proven false, but damage done.
I had to divorce my wife to save my life. I moved abroad to get away and haven't worked since. I'm 68 now. For a while i was still subject to military recall but would have refused it.
I how have a simple life, hobbies, travel but do it all cheaply to minimise my call on my pension and therefore pay no tax or social charges.
Women are amazing, as long as you never have to answer to one.
Screw that employer
Mashallah
For me the hard part is forgetting about what others think. If you accept yourself for what you are then society calls a man lazy and tells you to "work on yourself." You push yourself and others begin to compare you to prince charming and wonder why you bother. It's time to forget about what others think about us, do your best and be kind to yourself :)
No matter how hard you work. Many will still say it isn’t enough. Family will compare you to the golden child. Why live life for others?
@@Giopowered exactly :)
Well said 💯👍🏽
>do your utmost and be kind to yourself
Fixed that for you. Only compete with and compare yourself to your past self.
@@Giopowered This is true, I've worked very hard, now am in the top 2%, however I am still called "poor", by my wife who compares me to those who have even more. (There will always be someone better to be compared to -- however I never do this to my wife , she really could not handle it, yet she likes to dish it out all the time.).
The last time I was in a relationship was in 2019. I was living with my girlfriend and supported her while she was going through college, she finished so I went back, and was doing a program. During this time she started sleeping with 2 other men. Her and mutual friends hid this from me. This was because she had told them and convinced herself that I was cheating, and so she was doing this to get back at me. I told her in that conversation that I was not sleeping with anyone I was busy with the college program. At that point she had a meltdown and started cutting up her arms and smashing herself in the head in front of me. She told me when I went for my phone to call the police or an ambulance that she was going to tell them I was abusing her, so that she could ruin my life and put me in jail. I was in a relationship with this woman for 2 years, and had been living with her for 3 months. This completely destroyed my ability to trust a woman in a relationship. This was not the first time I had a woman try to damage my life intentionally, but it was the last and the worst. I have not had a single inclination to even date since.
Goodness, I’m so sorry for that… people tend to be so toxic nowadays. 😔
Sounds like she was just a piece of shit to be honest. You get them unfortunately. Don't lose hope.
There all the same. . . Truly
Wow…that’s terrible. I’m so sorry. I have sorta joked about having PTSD from dating, but….it’s real.
I am here to tell you women are also not prioritizing dating and are giving up, too. For example, I haven’t been in a relationship since 2015. Yikes. That’s almost ten years now! But it’s been the best time. I have been super focused on career, personal goals, and my own healing/growth. I’ve done a ton of inner and outer work and I don’t know how to take my walls down.
History has shown I tend to attract men who don’t know how to open up and deal with difficult emotions. So I have a tendency to pick up the slack in this area and end up doing all the emotional heavy lifting in relationships- to my absolute detriment.
It’s totally ancestral/epigenetic…
Multiple times now- I have found out about secret addictions and been wiped out. I just cannot help feeling suspicious of how a guy is =or isn’t= managing. I cannot afford another addict.
you can see this very often, that women excuse their immoral or bad behaviour towards men with the alleged behaviour and alleged motivation of men, which only exsist in the head of the women, but the man in reality did no do or does not think.
So she did not false accuse you. Happy to hear that.
I'm single and retired at 54. I've been mgtow since 2008, and even avoid friends. Every time I develop a friendship, I regret it. Every time I hook up with a woman, she tries to latch onto me. I'm now just content to be an ascetic hermit.
Om mane padme hum
Enlightenment.
Friendships only last until they can't use you anymore.
Yup, same here. I've regretted every friendship and relationship I've had, outside of some family. People just suck. Even finding people that are remotely interesting is a chore.
To me friendships are in the moment and typically not too lasting considering that they tend to stem from being stuck with other people in mass activities such as schooling or the military or perhaps work. Neighbors especially seem to not even exist anymore so oblivious they are of everyone else on the block. People I used to hang out with seem incapable of even conversing on the phone for more than just a few minutes. As people age they seem to calcify and ultimately become ossified.@@saintsword23
Met a young man in his 20s he thought he was gonna become a CEO but he quickly learn that he didn't have skills to charm and couldn't enter the right networks. Now at 36 he understands he won't make it. The competition amongst men is tough. Everybody is competing for the best mates the best houses, the best jobs .
There's only x amount to go around, it's not infinite.
So not every man out there will become leader of the pack. Masculinity is build and tough to keep.
The CEO Club is the realm of sociopaths.
You don't need to be a leader or CEO to live a good life. I earn enough to afford everything I need working part time from home as a software engineer, and spend most of my time hanging out with friends or enjoying my hobbies. I don't envy the guys earning $10 million a year working 80 hours a week one bit, that lifestyle sounds awful.
Well there's only one CEO job to go around! By definition we can't all be top dog. Try being open to more realistic futures
I am 50 years old. The young guys I work with are totally checked out… Call of duty, porn and cannabis🙌🏻
And a minority of them off grid somewhere in the cabin in the woods. 😊
Sounds way better than listing to a boring wife talking nonsense
And getting boozed
@@davidbolha😍 collecting funds for that transition.
That's the life right there. 😂
It always strikes me as odd that when a 'consumer base' gives up on a product everyone wonders what wrong with the consumers.
If men are 'giving up' on women entirely don't look at the men for an answer... ...look to what has changed about being in a relationship.
What has changed is economics. Women make their own money and don't need a provider (aka husband) anymore. Women who choose to become mothers, are mating with Chads, because they want Chads superior genes. Women are creating the next generation of beautiful, tall, charming children thanks to daddy Chads genes. Society then wonders why kids act like Chads and Stacys. We have created a society of narcissists. Just look at the ultra rich. They have been marrying Stacys and Chads for generations, and their entire community is full of raging narcissists.
Great comment. It is the the "why won't people enter my restaurant anymore?" analogy :))
@@cosmopolitanbay9508 The repercussions for society is actually horrible. This is why so many people feel lonely and not good enough. Chads will only marry Stacys, so what happens to the rest of society? They remain single, and socially isolated.
Changes in the last 50 years or so:
*Women can have credit cards in their own name.
*Women can own homes in their own name.
*Women are getting advanced degrees.
*Women are using birth control to plan their families.
*Women are prioritizing their careers over their husband's career aspirations.
Men are miserable only because women have been set free.
@@truettadevil Not quite. Men built a safe work environment for women and invented contraception, so that women can have it easer. As a consequence, women could enter the work force, earn a wage, so they can contribute to the family budget, and started paying taxes. It all finally allowed to have a say in public life affairs. Fastforward to present, they have pretty much ruined everything, but keep blaming it on everyone else.
I'm with the speaker, 60's very happily married for 40+ years, 5 children, 9 grandchildren. I watch these videos and my heart breaks for the current society. My marriage and parenthood and more recently, being a grandparent have been the most important and fulfilling aspects of my life along with my faith. Todays focus on money and things is in part the root of our problems. To be clear we married young, I had 4 kids by 27, my wife stayed at home, we still managed to buy a house on a low single wage. We'd been married years before we bought any new furniture, camped for holidays, drove bangers, ate simply, never missed a payment on anything. We need to get back to a focus on relationships and not things in my view.
Hoping every single day for this, 31 F who cant comprehent what's going on with this world! Have career /healthy/saved some /not a drama qeen/no addictions/play sports /want family and kids and cant find a reliable partner...
Genuine question... Why wasn't having kids/finding a lifelong partner a priority for you 10 years ago? @@katerinatrofimova-gd1ll
@teamcoalhapcharcoala long single wage doesn’t work because Reaganomics gutted the government and the middle class in just a Boomers lifespan.
@@katerinatrofimova-gd1ll
Define “reliable”. And you mean to tell me since you were 18 you haven’t found anyone “reliable”? Or did you not even notice the “reliable” man because he didn’t meet you standards??
It's a sad state of affairs. Many women are nuts these days, life is far more expensive. Many literally cannot afford to have kids. Things are crazy. it's sad.
I think you are correct, people are far more materialistic and spiritually dead.
It is far better to be alone than to wish you were.
We didn't quit society, Society quit us .... we had no options or choice
I used to always be in a relationship and had an active social life. Now, I may go out a few times a week by myself. Most people annoy me, they're unreliable, and they all disappear when they're done with you. I've completely given up on relationships with women. I'm introverted and am comfortable being alone. It's not a tragedy for everyone.
Women have the same bad experience. Men use women for free sex and leave and can’t appreciate a woman. Women hoping for relationship when have sex but men use them and leave. It’s free sex for men. But lifetime of pain for women.
hey man, i wish you well, all you need is a few good people in this life and you're set
If you actually ARE naturally introverted (not depressed or dysfunctional, no PTSD or anything like that) then lots of alone time is great for you. It allows you to think, work and possibly be inspired/creative on your own terms while minimizing pecking-order related bullshit. Dealing with lots of other people's shit is a waste of time even for extraverts--but they get some popularity out of it. When introverted people are at their best, they're much more likely to be motivated by other priorities besides image and social position.
That's funny about the 2019-2023. Last date I was on was late 2019. I really don't know if I'll ever want to date again. It just seems like dating nowadays is asking to be used, then discarded when the first thing comes along. Then she tries to come crawling back a month later, when she finds out he's married, or abusive, or whatever. I may be lonely, but at least I know where I stand. My dog loves me, my family loves me, that's all I need!
Sounds familiar
"It's going to have to come from people themselves." What a simple yet powerful quote.
This is something I've noticed. People just keep expecting the world the change for the better but they are the people who are capable of changing it. Improving myself and stopping viewing myself as a victim despite my flaws has had an unbelievable impact on my life just in the past few years. Personal change and impact is so, so powerful. I wish I had the ability to make others see that too.
I divorced my wife after a 40 year relationship. The last 16 years were a nightmare.
Now although I know a few good women I just can't imagine remarrying...too risky. Over the years I've seen too much crazy behaviour from women to take the chance because they can do whatever they want, to the point of ruining your life, and as a guy there's little you can do about it.
yea i hear u i like having a fam but marriage seems like a bad deal
How did your wife change?
40 years , holy shit , I did a 20 stretch .
Don't marry unless you plan to have kids.
@@kittenluvzu
Bipolar
I really appreciate your interest in this topic. After many years of unhappy relationships, the financial burden of having to start all over again. I’m a 48-year-old man, who would honestly rather play video games and be alone most of the time, then put any effort whatsoever into dating women, and or forming new friendships.
I do not even go to things that I am invited to these days. I just cannot be bothered. I’d rather stay home, in my own world and focus on the things that make me happy. Unfortunately, most of those things that make me happy do not involve other people…
Me too. I’ve always been a lone wolf. All the best to you.
fuck that wtf do i look like spending all my dam time playing video games..shit i think we are already inside of a video game and a dam interesting one at that make the best of this shit good or bad just have fu with it and theres always woman to be had man dont give up just dont mke them so important i look at them liek a treat in life if i have a girl who loves me great if im on my own hustling great enjoy the gam regardless
That's been my life for 10 years. Hope you're happy sir. I've dodged a lot of bad people in my time. I'm 38 and yeah sometimes being in my home can be lonely but I have a great job and when I come home to relax. The quiet atmosphere is hard to beat
I'm 40. Never married, no kids, a few long term relationships in my 20s. In my early 30s, I just gave up on trying to connect with people, because I feel like I'm just bad at picking people, especially picking women for relationships. I work, I pay my taxes, I have some good friends and I have my hobbies. I've been "alone" since 33 and, I have to tell you Chris, I'm so used to my solutude that I really don't forsee myself going back. Stack on top of that the sheer insanity of 2023 when it comes to inersexual dynamics and its like "Why bother?"
@@derek4412 I've had others tell me that I'd be "the cool dad" because I'm nerdy and patient and I'm good at teaching people things. I've never seen myself as "Dad" material and that would also come attached to a woman, of which I've never found one that I could remotely trust enough to not abuse my kindness or take advantage of me in some way. I'd never sign a contract that had a 60% failure rate while risking 1/2 or better of all I've built, either. That's akin to suicide right there.
People suck these days man. Hardly anyone is cool or chill. Everyone's an NPC
Wow I am 40 and have had an extremely similar trajectory. I also felt things change at 33. I really miss the 2000s.
@Samsaraindo There was a definite shift in 2014-2016. I used to be active in the local metal music scene and people who called me brother, drank with me, ate meals with me, played shows with me suddenly thought I was the enemy, simply for having a difference in political perspective. I never changed. I'm the same person I have always been. And I never judged them on their choices. Yet, I was the one ostracized. I saw them flip on a dime, and I realized in that moment that 99% of what I thought was real was bullshit and that most people only serve themselves and their ideologies. They're NPCs. They all had my phone number. When I left social media in 2015, I heard from none of them. It's been almost a decade. I'm not going to hold my breath.
@@DagonNaxos i agree with that too! I felt 2015 was the year it all really changed and social media ans wokeness really took over. That was probably the last good year and I just have had this bad feeling since.
Men aren’t losing interest in women. We’re still very interested. We’re just not very invested anymore. That difference is important.
Consider this analogy. I’m interested in France. I like to read about France and watch movies about France. But i’m not going to invest in a flight to France, especially when France has made it perfectly clear that i am not welcome there.
im 36 and I would say I have been checked out since I was 23.
What this means is that I never married or had kids,
I have had very few friends.
I have a set of values my life revloves around,
and I could are less about 99% of what goes on around me.
At some point in life, some earlier than others, I think we all come to
realize that most of what we were told to believe was not true, and that
nobody ever really had our back.
All we can truly attain and value is a healthy body and soul.
There is no amount of money that can buy you that, and nobody but
yourself who can attain it
You didn’t check out. Sounds like you were raised by the internet.
@@desertrunner9569
Your statement could not be farther from the truth. I grew up before the world became zombies so I actually remember what life was like before facebook and youtube.
I just embraced religion at a young age and grew increasingly weary of the modern world. I basically earned enough money to support myself and further my pursuits to come closer to g-d and blocked out 99% of the garbage that is out there today.
I enjoy to post my views on youtube comment threads since this may affect others in a positive way also. Nice try though trying to judge someone you never even saw face to face.
@@matisyahup613 okay, if you say so kiddo.
@@desertrunner9569
36 is rather old to be called kiddo.
@@matisyahup613 he is a troll. don't worry
here's what it is. if a man has a good woman to provide for and to strive for - it gives him purpose.
most men don't have a good woman, and everything seems a bit pointless
💯
You are putting the cart before the horse. SMH
@@idivas_Tricia No he isn’t men need an incentive in order to actually give a damn. Women just don’t see it because their indifferent and or they don’t feel obligated to give one.
@@idivas_Tricia Men are asking women to provide support and you're like "Nah, work on yourself". This is the problem.
Men put the cart before the horse while women engage in hypergamy and self-sterilization from modern pharmaceuticals. I feel awfully for the women left out of the society (of which there is some), but the numbers are probably half or less of the number of men left out.
It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society
Men, you owe nothing to society. Keep doing you. If it all falls apart, then so be it. It needs to.
Very well stated!
Nice said
Ex filed for separation 3 times, I countered with divorce. Lost my house, 1/2 my retirement, most of the time with my 5 kids, my church, my church freinds. Been dating.. it’s horrible out there..
just kind of living for now.. not happy, but at least not tortured by my ex anymore.
I’m 52. I gave up completely on trying to find a relationship 7 years ago. Life is so much more pleasant and less stressful when you’re focused on yourself rather than focusing on what I can be doing to be more attractive to someone else. I always liked me LOL. If women don’t see me as a sexual partner, oh well. I’m at peace and have zero stress now that I’m not trying to meet societal standards/expectations
Soon as I quit caring the better off I was . I will never take on that upside down constant drama mood swing crap .Not for any amount of money.
Ok grandpa. No one cares.
@@Aquaxx-j7y found the gen z
@@Aquaxx-j7ykinda funny, but you know you really are an A-Hole.
@@Aquaxx-j7yyou seem nice. Enjoy your journey
Here are some factors leading to less interest in relationships:
* even skilled occupations don't pay enough
* online dating is like a job interview
* approaching women can be seen as harassment
* all of this makes the chance of rejection even greater.
The approaching women seen as harassment part is an American problem. I was in Puerto Rico last month and those women have no problem with you walking up to them, even grabbing their hand to talk to them.
@@HARRIS2820 I've heard about that. I wonder how it is in Europe.
approaching women is not seen as harrassment. that's just a story shared among terminally online men who want to justify why they shouldn't gather up the courage to ask a woman out.
@@frogery I didn't say that most overtures are seen that way, but yes, it can happen'
the woman can decide she has been harrassed for ANYTHING you say....that is extremely scary.....not even worth talking with them....they created the metoo crap so they can suffer the consequences
I may be able to shed some light here. I'm a 27yo single male, but no means speak for anyone but myself. I believe I fall into the category of men who have "checked out" of society. First of all, I work 50 hours a week (and that's without travel time), and only just have enough to get by (I live in an expensive city). I'm college-educated. Whatever free time I do have is spent either at the gym or looking after my house. I live alone, if that's not clear already, and so when I'm not working or working out I'm doing laundry, cooking, or cleaning. The idea of having a kid to look after would be simply out of this world with expenses.
As for the ladies, there's simply no time or money to be dating, and that says nothing of the dating pool. For reasons that are hopefully obvious, I'm not on social media, and for many young girls my age that translates to being weird and creepy, since many young gals are accustomed to getting to know someone indirectly through social media rather than over coffee, because of course, that's creepy nowadays. I've had my fair share of experience with girls, but times have changed, and there is considerable risk for young males looking to get more intimate with a young lady. I personally have no fear when it comes to talking to girls, asking for nunbers etc., but to so many girls in their twenties not having social media gives off serial killer vibes to them. I understand that, given that we live in a world where anyone with an online profile can be effectively vetted before you ever even have to say "hello".
As for "getting out there more", with what time or money? I already go gym, and that counts as an extracurricular, but generally speaking with costs of living and inflation, extracurriculars are the first to go...
EDIT: forgot to mention this, but I so hope that most people can see that if a young male has for whatever reason remained unmarried or otherwise single, it's not necessarily because they're spending their time smoking weed, watching pornography, and playing video games all day instead. Life has gotten extremely expensive, first of all, and it's difficult trying to remain employable in a world with so much competition, when there's little resource allowing someone in my position to upskill to keep up with the market.
EDIT 2: the risk of marriage and having children is severely skewed in favour of women, given by just how much men have to lose in a divorce. Fifty percent chance of eventual divorce with two-thirds chance she'll initiate it, get half of everything I own, and I can only see my kid on the weekends (if ever)? Sign me up 😑
EDIT 3: do I even need to say anything else????
Stay on that path brother. "You" in your 30s 40s 50s will be grateful to "You" in your 20's.
Can't fix stupid, with so many stupid people all around and it gets worse every day ,😂
Be thankful that you got this clarity so young. I try to talk sense into young coworkers and they either can't get it, or don't want to accept it.
Stay strong, and don't ever fall into the trap of forgetting (or ignoring) what you know.
Yeah, they try to take as much time form us as possible via work so you dont have spare time and energy to chill and meet other human beings, being creative,playful etc. Next critical punch is expensive cost of living or materials. Single male with avarage income is geting wrecked just in rent in some places. So why to start a marriage when conditions are so deadly. Failed society.
I’m pretty much in a similar situation.
It is just matter of not taking a chance on a cruel and unfair financial settlement from a divorce after putting all your efforts and emotions into a relationship and then being told “I am not happy” and everything is blown up. It makes no sense to take risk of having your life destroyed based on the whim of another person.
I gave up on women 7 years ago just after I turned 21. I realised that relationships are entirely meaningless and pointless. I can do what I want, when I want, and I don't have to answer to anyone or care what they think about it. Most importantly, I can do it in peace. If I want to go fishing, read a book, play video games, play a chess tournament, or do any of my other hobbies, I can. I don't have to work around someone else's schedule, or seek permission to do these things.
I don't have to listen to pointless gossip, or deal with intentionally fabricated drama just because they were bored. I don't have to deal with ridiculous questions like "would you still love me if I was a slug with cancer". I don't have to pretend to like another person's friends, or family. I don't have to get out of bed early on my day off, because someone else thought going out for breakfast at 8am on a Sunday was a good idea. I don't have to share my space with someone. I don't have to decorate my place to suit how someone else wants it. I'm not shouted at for not folding the towels the way someone else wants them folded. I don't have to put up with people trying to steal my food when they explicitly said they weren't hungry. I don't have to put up with someone blaming me for something I did in a dream. I don't have to deal with shit tests and trick questions. I don't have to worry if I'm using the wrong towel to dry my hands or not. I no longer need to go somewhere I don't want to go, do something I don't want to do, or talk to someone I don't want to talk to, just because someone else wants to do those things.
I no longer care about whether women find me attractive or not. I no longer have to care where I buy my clothes from, or whether I look good in them. I no longer care if women find me charming, funny, polite, intelligent, caring, or chivalrous. I don't have to care about what car I drive, or how much I earn.
In short, I have gained total freedom and peace of mind. Why would I give all of that up for something that only brings headaches, drama, and misery?
Well said. Men spend far too much time trying to gain women's attention and validation. Nothing wrong with being open to dating but placing it as a priority is a massive mistake. Work hard, earn good money, get in shape, see your mates, travel to cool places, spend time with family. That's what really matters.
Well written. My friend. Well writ. 👍🏿🇦🇺
Damn that's dark, but funny. I have been yelled at for what I did in someone else's dream too 😅.
absolutely meirl
He’s got something…
Modern society doesn't care whether we live and prosper or collapse and die.
Whatever we do, is never good enough or goes widely unappreciated/unrewarded.
And most modern women see us as a means to an end, plotting behind our backs.
So yeah, I see why guys are just giving up and going solo.
All of this is going to result in complete civilizational collapse. Men are builders, creators and maintainers. Without them, society ceases to function.
Bravo. Well said.
We need to create a movement of men that overthrows this fucked up system. Not just on the internet, in real life.
Too bad such men are called conspiracy theorists.
sign me up
its called No Ma'am Al bundy made it
Na, let it rot and implode.
There is no need to overthrow. Teach the like-minded to limit the engagement with it, and when enough men do so, the system will fall apart by itself. It is the men who are holding it together. It's a man's creation, after all. Nothing works by force and coercion.
UK man here, 54, last comms I had with a chick was when I was aged 50 by text when she said "leave me alone you loser". This actually followed a long line of miserable "leave me alone" type rejections over the last 30 years... but thank you ladies , I am tickled pick about it actually because I finally got my shit together, worked my ass off, made a load of money, multiple homes, etc....and its all mine.....no woman will come near it. So Ladies, thank you, all of you, going right back to when I was 18 when you all delighted in rejecting me, you have made me what I am through your constant rejections. I am now very well off, happily single, come and go as I please and my life is truly great, all thanks to your rejections because I was nobody yo you. Enjoy your cats while I take my extended family to Barbados, but hey, you knew best!
Well done sir, from a fellow Brit. I worked my ass off for 45 years but never made it like you. Glad I`m going to die soon!
I've interacted with dozens of women and never been talked to like that. What are you doing to get these reactions from them?
@@inpropagation You probably are from Gen X or boomer generation. Times have changed. The reactions are pretty normal now.
Try men :-)
Having laws that penalize men who commit, turned out to be a bad idea.
Meanwhile demonizing them nonstop 24/7 in ever media outlet known to man while also demanding everything from them.
Yup, and a culture that berates and despises men acting like themselves about sums it up. It hasnt been a good environment for a long time...not even for women (as theyre finding out).
It's a very _good_ idea if that what was your intention from the start...
@@smokingcrab2290 the media belongs to men..
@@smokingcrab2290 Because its meant to break men, to turn them into oxes. Work, work, work and serve women, at expense of own wellbeing, getting nothing out of it. Aka voluntary slavery.
Problem is, that as with most of those moronic ideas, this one was also conceived by women, based on women expectations and mentality. This is how narcissism(paired with low intelligence) works. But men are not women and instead of bending and submitting, they are slipping and avoiding. At least most of them. Instead of breaking mentally, they are just walking away.
I have a divorced friend I have known for 35 years. He is a powerlifter, earns 6 figures, and owns his own house.
He had gone MGTOW because he say the quality of women out there is so abysmal, and dating was just a waste of his time and money.
Lol... I'm a True Mgtow chad but not u grandpas
When I encounter the word "abysmal" I think of the Joey Tribbiani on Friends...
hehe
Those numbers don’t sound too bad to me for young men. As you get older it’s much more difficult to find a good match if you’re not already in a long term relationship. People become individuals when living alone and this is fundamentally different than being a couple. Took me 12 years to feel comfortable being alone after my wife died and after multiple attempts at relationships. Takes a tremendous amount of energy and money to form a couple relationship/identity for a guy, so there’s more at risk. After suffering various setbacks or disappointments, you realize the investment often isn’t worth it, and if it happens enough times you’ll let go of the desire to be a couple. Key is to enjoy life as an individual, and single. Not easy for everyone including myself having experienced a great relationship.
Chris I can provide a perspective. Believe it or not as a foreigner I see exactly what's going on and it is like this. Men work their ass off, compete and strive for their very best when in general they see a light at the end of the tunnel. This in past generations means a family, a legacy to pass on their genes to and something worthwhile, a job that is fulfilling, a community of likeminded individuals who often resemble them in ethnic make up, religious affiliation etc.
I think what happened is, with the globalism and liberalism both of these things were taken away from men in the west. Everything they held dearly has been stripped away from while being demonized for being the boogeyman, so today if you're a white male who' straight you're practically seen as a right wing, racist, misogynist blah blah blah. Moreover, the jobs are unfulfilling, they can't even allow you to pay your rent, let alone purchase a home and FORGET about dating, all I see are white women making fun of white men online in search of "BBC" I'm insulted for them and I'm a Somali guy! Who would want to get out of bed when you know society looks at you in that fashion?
Basically this I agree. 👌 I'm white and I see it like this and this guy, has said how I feel in so many words.
Very accurate. Shout out Mogdishu
You nailed it
It's Neo-liberalism pure and simple. The wealthy suck all the money out of the economy and then foist austerity on to everyone underneath them. They strip out all the meaning and pit us against each other so that we don't turn on them, all the while selling us numbing drugs, poisoned food, and on-line junk. That's not hyperbole either. We just saw it in the last three years, no more living in denial pretending these so-called leaders are there to serve us or the planet.
The "evil white straight male" is just a persecution complex, men aren't hated for being white and straight. It's just the demographic of people who are anti progressive are largely white and straight because they never experienced being marginalized by society like POC, LGBT, and women have been.
My simplified take is the job market is crap, rent prices and housing prices are spiraling out of control, dating has become extremely difficult because you aren't just competing in a social circle anymore, you are competing again people in a city wide+ radius. Having a kid damn near requires a 2 income household to do so these days. Day care is insanely expensive and not viable for financial reasons.
So yeah. I've basically said "To hell with it." And got myself an easy job and study what I'm interested in and play the odd video game here and there.
Population control. Demoralize men, venerate women, war between the sexes, economic hell, climate change propaganda, birth rate collapse; population control.
If the man cheats, he’s a deadbeat, an asshole etc.. However, when the woman cheats, it’s because the man doesn’t give her enough attention, affection, money etc… It’s always the man’s fault. We can never win.
Men are in love. Women are in business.
Lies. They are both to blame, the man because he is becoming a weakling and giving into emotions and just being plain selfish, the woman because she is also ruled by emotions and given the authority to act like a man. The Bible has the answers but people don't want to know.
Very interesting post. As a woman, the men I have met, do not want marriage. Many of the people I know (not all) do not want kids (because of their childhood, the lack of stability, the world issues) It is a very interesting time in which we live!
Men are just not putting up crap anymore. They have finally opened their eyes. There are great women out there, but relationships just don't last.
Today men and women can be independent, they simply don't need each other
@@toddlavigne6441The reason mens relationships aren't working out It's because they are watching porn. And they are emotionally lazy. Porn does not require any emotional development or Self sacrifice.
What do you want Audrey?
you can easily say the same thing for women. They don't need each other but is that not a good thing? Instead rather than needing each other they should want each other.@@toddlavigne6441
I feel like i checked out. About to turn 30. I have a hard time connecting with people on a deep level, so you can say that my reality has always been checked out of society, reality just had to set in place. Learned to love being alone though!
Yeah dude that deeper connection is nowhere to be found. I get sick of all the surface level shit. Just be radically honest and say what you think most of the time no matter what people think. The right folks will find it refreshing and it'll make you feel really genuine.
I hated being alone but started embracing it and feel so much better.... divorced from a selfish narrsatist who broke family up to be around other single moms who leave the men and want all there money.....l struggle to be nice to women there are a few good ones out there
I just turned 40 and I feel the same. The few friends I have are now married and few have kids so they're busy. Living in the same city, I haven't met few of my closest friends for over a year. Calling them close friends now seems like a lie. 🤷
And at my age (I look and feel 30ish) it's difficult to make friends and form deep connections.
Well, for me. I worked 2 full time jobs for 2 years because I was forced to, just to stay afloat to keep my apartment and have some extra money. and that was the seed that grew my selfish society hating mentality. During those 2 miserable years, I started blocking or cutting out any stress that try’s to enter my life and it has stuck with me. Girls love giving you stress. I’ll never understand it., so I cut them out. I see past the sexual appeal. I see the stress that comes along with it. It’s also another reason why I don’t travel. Too much stress/ exertion for the small amount of reward. I’d rather spend my time working out, and playing video games and keeping up with latest tech, learning things I want to learn. The investment is worth the return to me. A sense of richness and fulfillment.
Women love contrived drama. I think they subconsciously use it as a device to force the progression of the relationship either to commitment or total abandonment by the man.
I agree with you but not the traveling part. To each their own but seeing all different parts of the world is amazing and definitely worth experiencing. 98 percent of people are actually friendly and cool and enrich the place that you’re visiting
Amen, bro. I hope nothing but happiness and success in your life. Thanks for sharing
Spot on! That's the word that describes best how i feel towards dating women. Stress. Women, what they see in dating men is Opportunity. For us, it's just stressful
Word bro! Well said
The current societal meta is very anti-male both implicitly and explicitly, and it's causing some men to give up and others to rebel, neither of which are favorable for commensurate integration of men and women. There are very few positive role models for men right now, and the few that have taken up the job are vilified constantly in the media for being toxic, misogynistic, out of touch, you name it. Our culture has an obsessive inability to indulge in one notion without being adversarial to its perceived opposite. If I am 'pro-male', I must be 'anti-female', which is garbage.
And you know what? Some of these male leaders may very well be toxic, but when you vilify the job description at its core, who else would take it up but people okay with being thought of as evil? That tends to be two types of people: those that truly are scum, and those that are so good and virtuous that they are willing to bare hatred to stand for the truth. It has to be okay for men to lead men, and that involves compromise from women, but not a simple adoption of a female model while considering anything that deviates to be inherently bad, wrong, and to be corrected. Men and women are different, but not unequal. This used to not be a controversial statement.
People like Andrew Tate, who I consider to be a charasmatic fraud, is what happens when you ostracize a struggling group and deny their struggles, or oversimplify the boy problem to not being able to cry in public: you create a marketplace for predators to pray on disenfranchised young men's impressionability simply because nobody else is brave enough to fill that niche.
Be good to each other. Be accountable. Be disciplined. Be a leader, be a student, be a teacher, be kind, be patient, be inquisitive, be reliable. Be virtuous in ways which are so undeniable that they must out themselves to reject you. Be male, and don't apologize for it.
This is the best comment I've read so far, love the input
Be a man and tell the scumbags to kick rocks or sht teeth. I'm done playing with the idiots.
'you create a marketplace for predators to pray on disenfranchised young men's impressionability' perfectly put. If society chooses to persistently diminish, discredit and undermine all the positive and constructive male roles, the good men stop doing them BECAUSE they are good men who want to do the right thing. And then you end up with people like Andrew Tate.
I disagree with you on the part of this not being favorable towards integrating men and women. When feminism keeps pushing beliefs destroying men, and women have constantly benefitted from feminism and looked the other way because of that, the only way a healthy balance is struck is for those supporting what is destroying men to get a healthy wake up slap for them to realize the consequences of what they're doing.
@hungrymusicwolf I think you may have misunderstood the sentiment of how the latter part of my comment interplays with the intro methodologically because i have no disagreements with your statement as it stands. The details/my prescriptions for accomplishing that goal might look a bit different though, but I do agree with the fundamental notion
I was always told love is the greatest thing you can ever have from a woman. You feel fulfilled, loved, appreciated and complete. But when that feeling is gone you feel nothing but pain, sadness, depression, despair and a pain you wish to never feel again.
I’ve tried dating since I was 16 and now I’m 26 years old and all I have been through is the same cycle over and over. I’ve come to realize that there is only so much a man can take when it comes to dating woman. After my last relationship that just recently ended a few weeks ago, I finally decided to give up on dating completely. Because it’s not worth chasing after or fighting for something you always wanted, and all you ever do is get hurt and burned out emotionally/mentally.
Honestly, I'm sick of being told I'm a worthless piece of crap because I'm male. Why be part of society that doesn't want me to be part of it?
Uh maybe because a real man dgaf what people think about him. He handles his business and blazes his own path. Get out there and a f_ck as many women as possible. Rejection and failure is a normal part of becoming a real person. One you harness the power of large cock energy you will begin to really live and discover the true meaning of life. Here’s a hint: it’s love.
But then when something happens and they want it fixed, all of a sudden they want you. Yea I've seen that too.
The one's who bitch and moan the most about equality are the one's who believe the least in it. Feminism is of no purpose other than to point fingers. Even an infant can point a finger, and adults who go about this way will refuse to admit they can be wrong.
We are all equal because nobody who have ever lived have ever gotten any questions before we simply were born one day. We're all born under the same curcumstances where you just have to deal with who ever, how ever or where ever you were born. It's is equal if you were born in a big mansion with parents who are billionairs or if you were born in the slum in Africa somewhere. None of it was up to you, and you could never decide whether you even wanted to be born or not. This is why we are of equal worth.
Try asking a feminist why we are equal and I will be shocked if you even get a response.
Oh I get the feeling. But that's what the MEDIA (and "elites") wants us to think. Sure, many women also think that now, they are sheep trend followers, but most men and still a great chunk of women don't. Do NOT forget all the decent people still out there, just because the media focus on everything else. Otherwise, if you give up, it's letting them win, and we will ALL pay later on if we let them win, no matter how isolated we try to live. "They" want us divided, opting out, isolated, not fighting back. It's old Sun Tzu quote: "Supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."
Ohhh don’t like the taste of your own medicine