Why Does The New PS5 Blu-Ray Drive Need An Internet Connection?
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I think is lacking some kind of law that obligates the console manufacturer to release an software update when the product gets to its End Of Life, that removes all these online authentications. After all if the manufacturer isn't interested in supporting the product anymore they should free it to be used as they were and with that preserve these old systems and games.
Any level of DRM when you pay for something is disgraceful in my opinion but the only way this will work is if everyone stuck together. I dont do digital downloads and will never own a diskless console. Maybe Sony know all this and its just a matter of time for the next generation of gamers. Sad times.
We PC players don't care, just don't waste a lot of money for games, it's not an Investment, lol.
Except pc is an open platform where consoles aren't
You can buy new Blu-ray drives for the PC and none of these require online activation or run afoul of dmca
with how stupid you console fans are i'm sure companies will sell one to you that requires constant internet connection
Is it me or were John's glasses steaming up with undercurrent rage 😅
don't care
As much as I don't want it to happen this could be the last generation that we have any ownership of our games at all.
The big players are moving towards it, particularly Microsoft.
Once everything moves to the cloud that's it, game over, no more ownership and no more preservation.
We are entering the dark ages, the only hope is nintendo
Cloud gaming will never work simply because no matter how you are connected via wifi/LAN or how fast your network speed is latency will always have the last word. With that you get heavy image compression and terrible framerates and stutter. I have not seen 1 cloud game to run above 30 fps or with resolutions above 720p. 1080p 60 fps os simply not achievable in the cloud and will never be that's the reality. So there will always be native hardware for many years to come even 50+ years ftom now people will look back at the whole "power of the cloud" fairytale and LOL at it
@@BMW-sd6nn that's why its good to have a Switch as a backup. At the end of the day you are set with a PC and a Switch
@Living_L393nd oh yeah dude, my gaming pc is for all the big AAA games and and switch is literally everything else. Yin and yang.
@RadecStahlwhat's wokeness and blackwashing?
Interesting points chaps.
I do like the fact that my son can find my N64 and play it after all these years.
Pretty sure my old Atari XE and ST would be the same if my dad hadn’t chucked them out when purging the attic 30 years ago 😂🤦♂️
Apples and oranges. We are living in a digital world.
Ah yes I love throwing away money in an effort to be more organized
I’m disappointed they don’t support 3D Blu-Ray movies with PS5 & PSVR2.
They don't??? The freaking PS3 and PS4 support it???
3D Tv's were absolutely magical. It's was the coolest thing I've ever experienced, when it came to watching movies, and really thought 3D tv was the future of tv entertainment. Watching Jurassic Park 1 with the rain spraying down in front of you, and the dinosaurs popping out, was so wild! Jurassic Park 1 was a showcase for 3D tv. Some 3D Tv's were so impressive, it felt impossible what you were currently experiencing. But, it wasn't impossible at all... We had the tech, and these tv companies threw it in the garbage. It's sad that 3D is gone, and I'd love for 3D tv's to come back. With today's tech, 3D tv would be on another level. Imagine watching movies at 4K, 120Hz+, with eye tracking and accelerometers built into the 3D glasses, to ease the eye strain would work great. Plus, with all of the other advances in tv technology we have currently, 3D tv would be insane. People back then didn't like putting on glasses, but times have changed, and we are putting clunky vr tech on our heads. There is no question about it, 3D tv's would sell very well today.
@@BeersYourFriend I agree with everything you said
3D is dead
It's just a one time authentication, isn't it? Even if authentication servers go offline in the distant future, they can release the authentication key and allow pairing via USB, if they want to.
And one positive I get out of this is, if the Blu-ray drive breaks, it's far easier to replace it by purchasing the module. Compared to the OG model.
People are just overreacting and circlejerking about this.
No they're not, it's justified, yall don't see the long term domino effect. @@hateWinVista
Except knowing how corporations work, they're not going to release the key and just tell consumers to go fuck themselves
@@hateWinVista sure... let's see 20 years from now where these consoles will be. Won't be at a retro game store. Ps5 psychical edition could. And ps4 and lower. But not crap like this. And stuff like the Series X
"long term preservation", y'all keep saying this but we've yet to see a major problem.@@Lionheart1188
I think when the PS5 stops being supported, modders will definitely be able to circumvent this anyway
Hopefully, Japanese developers seem to be behind regarding system security. So exploits are more likely to happen on their system compared to current western console manufacturer.
I would suspect at least part of it is about region locking the drive. I think it's probably sold in an unlocked state and then when you connected to the PlayStation for the first time, it goes online registers the device and locks it to your current geographical region. This is what DVD and Blu-ray drives do on PC. But at least on PC, you get five opportunities to change the region of your drive.
You can also change it 5 times on Xbox. It’s such a weird thing to have nowadays since 4k Blu-ray’s are all zone free. It’s a pain for normal Blu-ray’s…
Wish I would've heard about this right away and snagged a base model PS5 new before they were discontinued.
It's DRM and anti consumer 😂
Another thing I’m curious about, is when the ps5 slim is factory reset, will it require to go online again to set up the disc drive? Also this needs to be tested.
Or what if it’s taken off for whatever reason (say a repair) will it need to be reset up again once put back onto the ps5. So many questions.
Have a guess
@@haruhisuzumiya6650 I just got my answer earlier today. The disc drive gets unpaired when doing this. So yeah, it needs to be set up again
That was… unexpected😅. OG PS5’s value will increase if this gets confirmed.
I have a digital. Most games cant be played. Even with a disc drive. Games on disc's these days only have a code... A shame we need internet for playing games. I have a good connection...but what about the future? If the servers are gone the console will be useless.. Paying for something that will be useless within a decade.
I doubt that will happen, it didn't work out well for Google with stadia did it? Gamepass is doing well but that by all means doesn't seal the fate of physical games on consoles, I think digital and physical games will be around for a while yet before Sony and MSFT go full blown digital only -policy.
@Simcade-racer would you stfu with that 'even disc don't have the game' mentality when they literally do! I played through re4r without updating or using the internet just to see if it was fully on the disc. Robocop Rouge City for example is fully on the disc. Hell there's ALOT that's all on the disc. There's very few that 'only have code' as people like yourself keep stating, stop with the misinformation clown
False, 99% of PS5 games have a disc and can be played without any downloads, why are you spreading missinformation? Do you even have a PS5? I have bought both PS4 and PS5 games and outside of COD all of them can be played after installing of the disc data.@@Followyourpassions
@@HShangowell, we're depending on the goodwill of sony and Microsoft... Doesn't sound very good.
This should be illegal, pure and simple
I have base model ps5 so I'm good but this has definitely pushed me to switch over to pc since digital is where everything is going
90% of games sold now in 2023 are digital. Physical is really for collectors now but that has issues of it's own in the Retro scene with gatekeepers controlling the market.
@@RocketRenton would yall stop with jerkin off digital. Literally most ps5 games sold physically are still on the disc. Your Literally getting less by buying digital. Stop with the misinformation
@@lovelorn88nick the biggest issue is not being able to sell your games if you get it digitally. I wish you could sell your steam games. Overs it is more cost effective to just buy physical games considering you can sell them once you have had enough fun with them.
It's not misinformation, the figures are there widely available on the net and reported by other gaming outlets, go find them, it's not too hard, gamerant and gamebyte reported this for 2022, so I'd say it's even higher now, word of advice, think before you speak.@@lovelorn88nick
@@lovelorn88nickthe majority of games are not in the disc or they are partially in the disc, dont be stupid, i bought horizon zero dawn in disc and need to do a big update tonplay the game. Said otherwise in simply stupid. All new games needs day one updates andvto your lack of knowlege you dont own a game, you own a license and the game can be make useless if the company wants. Dont be fool
What kind of port does it use to connect the drive? I saw some speculating that the Pro will use an attachment module there as an option, instead of buying a whole new machine. I know it's unlikely, but cool to speculate.
Lots of teardowns on the new model out already, and that connection on at least one video suggested it maybe used for other things so you maybe onto something!
I've changed my mind about buying a PS5...
Just buy OG PS5
@@isilijeThey weren’t going to anyway…
You never wanted one xbot
I've got a series x. PC is the way though
As someone who owns a Fat-Boi (PS5), he might as well save his money and get a PC.
1) Lack of 1st Party Variety.
2) Remakes of Remasters or games that don’t need it.
3) Steam will get you all those games in due time.
Xbox is just getting games but they’re not any better when it comes to First Party outputs.
Who knows maybe the whole thing will backfire and intercepting the call home with a spoofed server will end up being a backdoor to enabling jailbroken optical drives...
That's how they do PS3's currently via the web browser.
I've been saying this for a while in that ypu have to be online to pair the physical drive to the console if it's an added and seperate disk drive; this means that that the physical capability of the PS5 Pro, is itself subject to online DRM, and doesn't have compatibility preservation; and this is the main reason i am angry that they simply didn't offer a model with a built in drive like before.
It's been very worrying for me personally. One of the incredible things about gaming as a hobby is new players can buy old machines and games and a lot of the time it'll just work, sometimes you'll need some minor fixing but yeah.
My ~30 year old Mega Drive and N64, I can get them out of the attic, set them up and play them. And my fear is that these new, supposedly "superior" consoles, will become glorified bricks in 10-15 years when their servers go offline. People in 2040 or whenever won't be able to buy an old PS5 and enjoy its library like they can with a Dreamcast or Gamecube. What's so superior about the "new digital age" if a bunch of things that used to last just don't anymore? A lot of people seem to be under the illusion that this is improving the consumer experience, but companies want to be able to control whether or not we're allowed to use the things we've purchased.
Brilliant, I’m so happy I have my game collection from the last 35 years and emulation.
When you guys mentioned the concerns about SSD lifespan, whats the logic behind this? Surely aside from installing games etc, most of the SSD activity is read based? With wear levelling and TRIM, predominantly read based activities do not stress the memory of these drives?
From what I gathered, SSD’s have unlimited reads but a limited number of writes.
@@TheCrazeturkwhich is why the concern for ssd lifespan is meaningless since it'll take a decade to have an effect and only slightly.
Because you can barely fit 10 games on it, even if you just buy disks, so you'll constantly be rewriting to it.
@@tvsonicserbia5140 even if you install and uninstall a 100gb game every 1 hour in the ps5 it'll take a decade for it to start take effect. The cpu and gpu will die before the ssd ever will.
Shady company
Been going on now in the TV sector for years now all over sites like AVFORUMS, Sony don't even make anything anymore themselves, it's all 3rd party now in 2023.
no shit
Because the blu-ray drive has to be set to a Blu-ray movie region A, B, etc. Unless they make the drive a region free Blu-ray player. They probably use the internet to detect your region and app a region lock to the Blu-ray drive.
Wait I thought the Internet connection was only to activate the drive? The whole system wont work without Internet?
FWIW PS4 also requires this check but for movies. Gotta say, I’m happy I got my PS5 earlier.
Yes Blame us Americans. Most of our Laws need updated.
You can run backups on the PS5 now..... So by the time the servers go offline its going to be able to sproof a drive anyway
I don't think companies see a reason for hardware longevity. I think they're planning on keeping future hardware backwards compatible with previous generation software. That's one of the reasons I went all digital years ago. I saw a near future where my disc games would become unplayable while digital games will continue to transfer over generation after generation.
I'm with you on this and I also have all Ps games digital. The only problem I see if they develop totally different store for the ps6/7 and then shut down ps4/5 store.
They did that with PSP/PS3. You can accesses them through devices still I believe, but on PSP you can't even purchase anything.
Sony will force you to buy all your games again or... simply subscribe to their Plus service.
If that happens I will buy a PC and emulate everything for free.
I am also buying Ambernic or some sort of retro station, to have all retro roms available.
Paying for the license per unit doesn't sound out of reach. Remember, Microsoft didn't want to pay for the licensing for Xbox to use Dolby Digital per console so they opted for the AV and HDAV packs to be the source. Paying a royalty for a separate unit is a lot less than for for a console.
Apple makes a TON of money with proprietary tech, like with their partnership with Anker, keeping prices high on tech needed for their devices. Have special chips in cords, cables, hubs, chargers and other hardware. No doubt consoles makers are loving this business method and will adapt it as consoles get more like apple computers in the future.
i'm wondering about a scenario in which 1 household has 2 ps5 slims, if ever then they decide to get a disc drive, does it mean they have to pair it to the internet every single time its swapped between the two? just a curious thought
My question is the Slim as quiet as the Phat? Does the fan run at a higher rate to compensate for the smaller heatsink?
Since Xbox is the redheaded stepchild this generation, Sony's getting AWAY with A LOT of BS. This is just the latest. It's more important now than ever to be critical of Sony's missteps, particularly if you're a Playstation fan.
The whole modders/hackers excuse to explain Sony's justification for the detachable disc drive for the PS5 Slim, that's the same excuse that EA and Maxis used to justify making SimCity 2013 online only, which was a HEAP of garbage and pretty much forced them to reverse that decision, by which time it was too little too late. Sorry to say, but I think THIS right here with the detachable disc drive is the same thing. Just a poor excuse.
Enough apologia about how everyone has an internet connection. We should, if we prefer, be able to use a system and physical copies without having the entire project by contingent on an additional connection factor with server authentication.
The alternative is to just stick with old school consoles. Plenty of library and replayability there for multiple lifespans.
I do enjoy the pensive look on johns face in the thumbnail as he contemplates the weighty topics contained in the video title
I can imagine a scenario where if the authentication servers go offline for drive pairing, Sony remove this requirement at a firmware level, and new firmwares can be installed offline via USB. Not ideal of course, and Sony could of course just not do that, but this drive authentication requirement needn't be a death sentence.
what you’re saying is obvious but it’s not alarmist, so nobody hears you
When Sony closes the PS5 activation servers the support of PS5 itself had ended years ago.
exactly fr fr @@WeeWeeJumbo
This,..remember the cmos bomb on ps3/ps4 where if the battery is dead, you cannot play games at all and turn it into a brick,..then sony release a firmware (on ps4) that fixes the cmos bomb issue
Sony is right in that regard. The optical drives are already hacked, not only X360 ones. The hackers just hold the keys back.
They want to prevent drive hacking by giving people reasons to want to hack the disc drives
Sony logic never fails
That made no sense
Because they dont want me to buy it.
didn't ask
Why didn't they just transfer the blu ray logic on the main board and leave only the machanical components on the detachable drive? Like they did on the ps4 slim...
To be honest I couldn’t care less about the console preservation of the PS4/Xbox One era and newer. Everything moving forward will be backwards compatible and the hardware isn’t anything special. What made older systems desirable and should be preserved is every release was completely new and for the most part a completely different ecosystem. But each to their own.
Also they were released as complete as they were. Why should I worry about collecting physical media for games that have day 1 updates and DLC. My era for nostalgia has come and gone, nothing from the 8th Gen onward can imprint on me like the console/games before it. It's a huge relief to not be that heavily invested in new releases anymore, I'm outta the game.
sure thing employee
@@MGrey-qb5xz is that like some weird "comrad" kind of moniker?
@@lambasted6886 He is just "flexing" with limited caustic remarks to people that don't align with his narrative or method of thinking. Whatever floats his boat.....
@davidwooten7212 Haha probably, I was taking the piss.
10th gen consoles will be digital only. Switch might still have a cartridge port but none of the game will come complete on the cart.
By law they had to become of copyright laws
7:23 This was my immediate question. Does this pairing serve as a form of DRM to prevent sharing / transfer / resale of disk drives?
I can understand the thought process of a one-time authentication to validate a sort of HDCP continuity (whether or not I agree with the implementation), but the possibility of using it to permanently lock the drive to that one console seems somewhat insidious and worth verifying.
Most likely locked, even on non-slim disc version, the drive is married to the SoC.
Using a proprietary connection and two encryption keys on the drive and motherboard that requires online activation was only meant to avoid this drive to be used on a regular PC.
If the drive uses a common USB connection, it could be used to rip PS5 discs.
@@vascomanteigas9433the SoC needs to trust the drive, this is more than just about the drive itself. Without established trust, people can just make dummy drives that feeds fake information to the SoC.
It's probably to prevent someone from hacking together something like the ever drive we have for old nintendos.
@@vascomanteigas9433 Too many pins for usb. It might be pci-e, or something else proprietary. The upside is that it's possible that they could use it for other accessories. But I'm doubtful that it outweighs the downside of DRM TO USE A DISC DRIVE...
Bruh even the switch is screwed.. so many games require a download due to the fact alot of switch carts do NOT have the full game on them
Undoubtably to try to counter burned discs I guess. Just another reason I could never be a console gamer over PC. Can’t afford both and don’t game enough anymore anyeay.
I don't understand how DMCA affects this but not Bluray drives connected to a PC 🤷♂️
My guess as to why they require an internet connection to attach the disk drive is so people can't just hack any off-the-shelf BluRay drive to the system.
When paired the drive is locked forever on that Ps5. It's so you can't use it on your friends Ps5. You can't unpair it
Correct so defeats the object.
Citation required
shouldn't have gotten a console, your fault
who said you can’t unpair it
@@MGrey-qb5xz Wow you certainly are working hard, see you in just about every comment thread, did consoles kick your dog, or steal your mate?
Remember the Xbox One fiasco?
Yeah, Ponies don't.
With PS6, even your TV would need to be PS approved for the best experience.
LOL
Sony TV's aren't even made by Sony, it's just the firmware they do, mostly Samsung for the VA and LG OLED panels for the OLED range, plus they have the worst anti burn in measures of all the manufacturers.
They have also been in a lot of DRM controversies in the TV sector over a number of years and now the consoles are getting the same treatment.
@MixesPWLSAW they just buy their panels from elsewhere, like vast majority of the tv industry. They are made in Sony plants in Mexico and other regions, also like vast majority of the tv industry. Quit spreading nonsense.
lol so they can sell more sony tvs, such a useless console
@Packin-Heat
Perfect, you just need to think about how it's possible.
this is why i use my gaming laptop much much more often, sony is just straining the fan base too much overhead cost to play online
yeah slim gaming laptops that you can take out to work and heat your office cause they are burning inside
Idk why people acting brand new 🤦🏾♂️ The PS5 Slim disc player is an accessory now. Like every accessory on the PS5 it needs to connect to the internet and update the latest firmware to be use on the PS5. Inorder to use the dualsense on the PS5, you have to connect it by wire or wifi and install the latest firmware to be used on the PS5. Now that the disc player can be removed and not stuck to the motherboard like prior Playstation. People complain about having broken disc players. Instead of shipping it back to Playstation and waiting weeks till your Playstation 5 is back. Playstation made a solution and now this a problem. Ya are hilarious
My PlayStation 3 is also useless because its drive crapped out on me, and I still have physical games for it that I haven't been able to play for years. - That's juuust great...
What if they only let you activate it on a separate console a few times a year. Microsoft does only let you set a console as your home console a few times a year.
Here's some food for thought..if you have a digital PS5 and then you decide to buy the disc drive, it shouldnt be an issue..like AT ALL..BECAUSE YOU NEED INTERNET TO RUN THE DIGITAL PS5 ALREADY!! STOP MAKING AN ISSUE OUT OF NOTHING!!! WOW
Is Sony creating a proprietary signature and saving it online so they can easily detect if someone messes with the drive?
Sony thinking they'll curb piracy is hilarious. It's like when developers/publishers add Denuvo to their games -- it only slows down pirates by a week, if that.
@@stuckintheinbetween PS5 has not been owned as of yet, whatever they've been doing does a pretty good job so far. Why would they ship something that has not be secured? That doesn't make any sense. Sure it's a matter of time, but whatever slows down the process helps their business. A console is not a PC.
@@Sipu79 They can try but resistance is futile. PS5 has been cracked for a long time.
I'm in the grey area when it comes to digital and physical games (i like them both and will continue to our purchase them, there will be games i buy digitally and games that i will buy physically on my ps5)
But on my gaming pc console (steam deck, obvs it will only be digital)
I think it would be very worth testing if drives are permanently paired to a machine. Can you pair a new drive if the old one fails? Can you only ever pair one drive? Can they be switches between consoles? If drives and consoles can be freely paired (even with an internet connection required to do the pairing process) that does make them way more repairable. If not... dick move, Sony.
It is to prevent 3rd party to sell cheaper BD drives, duh.
consindering that all PS5 games releasing on PC sooner or later, preservation isnt a problem here
even the disc version need internet conection to use?
No. To activate once
Simple, to pair the drive with the motherboard
I still struggle to understand who this is actually supposed to be for. Buying the digital edition plus a disc drive is more expensive than just outright buying the disc edition, so anybody who is even remotely interested in physical games will do the latter. And the amount of people who only later come to be interested in physical games and upgrade their digital editions has to be incredibly small. So the only party that is benefitting here is Sony because they now only have to manufacture one version of the console.
Sony are just making digital versions now and bolting on a drive on ones they sell as disc, easier and cheaper to manufacture, and charge you more :)
You answered your own question. This is just a production-line optimisation that Sony's marketing have co-opted into being a selling point, preying on the average consumer being stupid enough to not question it.
If, at the end of consoles, the companies wpuld just remove those constraints, it wpuld no problem. As is now, we rely on hackers.
I did hack my PS3 and will do on my PS4 in the future, because under brazilian law, it is legal to do so if your hardware is not supported anymore, so you can, for example, instlal Linux on it to keep it useful.
PS4 can only be done upto I think 4.5 then you can't jailbreak it after that sadly.
lol you need government's permission to enjoy yourself
DMCA? Riiiiiiiight.... that's a lie. Ever bought a CD, DVD, or Blu-ray SATA drive for your PC? No problems with DMCA. This isn't the reason, it's the excuse.
I'm not surprised thought, with the horrible paring system of Vita, Vita memory cards & PSN accounts. If you buy one used, it's now easier to install a custom OS on the thing, than officially set it up.
It's clearly to stop 3rd party disc drives (or alternatives like HDD's) being attached.
bro my internet connection is trash as fuck !!! that why 99% i am playing SP GAME all the times 😂😂
I’m sure some clever person or people will find a way to crack the optical drive online check
Just look at the recent Microsoft leaks on the next gen Xbox and the planned obsolescence by making it dependent on the cloud. On the cloud servers close the Xbox is useless.
Didn't Sony invent the blu ray drive ?
Bad news after bad news for PS fans 😢
2 things:
- They shouldn't have to do this with the "physical" edition but that's just a "digital" edition with a disc drive already popped in from the factory. So they also need an internet connection for the first setup. They could've paired those one in the factory.
- The reason for this, as mentioned in the video, is piracy. There is a chip in the disc drive which must be married to the mobo. However they could've moved that chip to the mobo and keep the physical "layer" connections. So power and bit level data. For example if you open a disc drive on the old PS5 and replace the laser assembly, then it works without remarrying the drive, because the chip remains the same. Therefore if they design that way in a way where they put that chip on the mobo and keep just those 2 connections in a new connector, then everything is the same with a deattachable disc drive.
Omg you don't know what you are talking about YOU CAN'T EVEN REPLACE A ORIGINAL PS5 DRIVE WITHOUT PAIRING IT TO THE BOARD WHICH REQUIRES A THIRD PARTY DEVICE
Sony back to its arrogant ps3 days.😂😂😂😂
So when the disc drive go's bad even if you buy a new drive Sony wil not allow you to use the new drive rendering buying a new drive pointless and if the internal SSD dies hou still need to buy a new console if its still aveilable and compatible with your games
Since this will be used with a digital console, isn't an online connection a given?
I'm not sure why its a problem
Girlfriend thinks it a waste of time the slim edition she purchased ps5 1202a disc version December 2022 is way better to go
This is why I switched to PC after the PS4 and before people accuse me of hating or being an "Xbot", I own zero Xbox hardware. I have every sjngle Playstation console. I even have the PSP Go. Console gaming has become more and more anti-consumer from both Microsoft and Sony. The great thing about PC is that its much easier to circumvent anti-consumer crap. I cannot say the same for consoles. I'm disappointed because there are a couple of good games on PS5, but less so with exclusives becoming lesser as time goes by.
When will you start sitting straight?
Oh the drama
John is so stuck in the past.
I bought the og phat ps5 today because of this BS
GarbageStation 5👎👎👎
I mean reality is 15 20 years down the line there's probably gonna be technology mods and circumventions galore to get around anything manufacturers today put in place to hinder freedom. Look at all the stuff we have available today to modify old original hardware. But shouldn't have to rely on retro tech enthusiasts to fix problems manufacturers created themselves. Likely be ps5 emulation in 15 to 20 years... If anyone can afford a pc in 15 to 20 years anyway lol
in a few years ps5 would be a dead console
@@MGrey-qb5xz why do you believe that. Ssd dieing? Thinking software no longer available on servers from Sony? I have to download bios for ancient consoles today to emulate them and those bios ain't coming from the original manufacturers. There's always a way. I own c64 amiga 1200 ps1 ps2 ps3. Xbox, xbox 360, 3ds, game cube, megadrive, snes, all modified all working perfectly fine and well outside of original spec. You wann a play og xbox or Dreamcast games online 20 years later? No problem people are doing that today. You wann play arcade roms online that we're never even designed for online play. No problem people are doing that today with emulation
Does this pairing serve as a form of DRM to prevent sharing / transfer / resale of disk drives? Or even render a console or drive useless to replace effectively buying a paperweight
I can understand the thought process of a one-time authentication to validate a sort of HDCP continuity (whether or not I agree with the implementation), but the possibility of using it to permanently lock the drive to that one console seems somewhat insidious and worth verifying.
Most likely to marry the particular drive to the particular SoC. Disc drive seems to be the pain point for Xbox 360. Hence later consoles require the SoC to trust and be married with the disc drive.
@@bltzcstrnx scam to make us pay more and jump more hoops to comply with theyre increasing demands on control DRM
to avoid to reading pirate discs and blu ray emulator, that why need some form of encrypted keys
@@Ricardogs so agreed benefit for them but no benefit for us so i say no encryption and no region limits when you buy a player or reader it needs to work i do not need blocking software or other scams like planned obsolesence or temperary licences or forced subsciptions
@@bltzcstrnx they do not need to marry too work together corp just wants more power
I don't get the "longtime preservation" thing. A lot of games are unplayable without patches anyway nowadays ...
Because console is not pc, it can't download and install patch or digital games legitimately if server is dead, it cant install pirated game even after the console has reached its end-of-life and last update since all exploit would be fixed (only jailbroken console could play pirated game, which is only available on low firmware, and most recent game will not work to play on PS5 as they have firmware check to see whether you are on minimum firmware required to play the game), if the game is console exclusive that can't be played elsewhere, good luck not playing it (eg. P.T. Silent Hill Demo)
and no, Sony PlayStation / Microsoft Xbox / Nintendo never unlock their console after the console reached EOL, so good luck if you want to play digital game if server is dead / you don't have internet / the wifi antenna or module busted / incompatible wifi band due to old hardware (eg. old PSP console doesn't even support minimum spec of modern wifi)
@@UchihaDareNial yes. but how can you get physical copies of fully patched games? most games don't have a goty edition or something like that ... that's my point
I think that's a whole different issue altogether personally. I feel like games have become too reliant on day one patches so they tend to not bother shipping decent code on the disc. It's okay for the short-term but kind of sucks for the long term, plus it's honestly frustrating how many games are getting day one patches nowadays. In my opinion it should be a last resort and not a standard thing that every game does
@@johnny9rodriguez you can't, but that's the point of preservation, to play video game without day 1 patch so others can play it too either through emulation or original hardware, not all games are bugged to hell when released like cyberpunk, minor bug, sure, all games have minor bug, the differences is before before PS3 era, you can't update your game to patch, so it needed re-release to fix those minor bug
is it game breaking bug making it unplayable? Minor bug usually no, if the game can be completed without any day 1 patch, congrats the preservation is worth it
@@chrisfratz game developers are too leisure with internet access, game bugged and not finished? Just prematurely release it and print it on the disc, we can issue apology and release patch later to fix it
while older era of video games, you have to fully test the game through QA to make sure no game breaking bug get through, as reprinting / reissue an updated game through disc cost a lot
The future of gaming doesn't look very good to me.All this online internet shit and digital games are the future I say fuck ps6 I'm done.The ps5 might be my last playstation and half of these next-gen games suck.Old school gaming is still better
It’s used to calculate metric of units sold. Disc to non-dsic units.
Why would you buy a digital console and not have internet? Seriously the things we worry about now are so mundane. I'm all for preservation, but I'm never gonna be against protecting properties that have provided as much fun and happiness as video games.
This is golden given all the crap Sony gave Microsoft for the same thing. I guess being the dominant player has Sony doing the same crap they always do. Reminds me of their propierary memory sticks when they were leading in cameras. Sony just cannot be trusted
They can be trusted way more than microsoft
Yes they can. For 30 years they are the dominant force in gaming and that says something.
You really trust MSFT (forget Xbox for one second) 🤨
@@HShango they don't sell a disc drive
@@MichaelM28 I don't think so. Sony memory sticks, them their lock in propierary media formats, their cutting of checks to prevent games from releasing cross platform. They reak of monopoly. And now their ps. slim pricing. No thanks
Love my OG PS5 😍
It's about control, plain and simple. Their ultimate goal will undoubtedly be a streaming service where you pay a monthly subscription, own absolutely nothing, and they can up the price anytime they want. Retro gaming is dead. Digital downloads paved the way for this bs.
Thank the xbots for eating up gamepass and claiming its the best thing on the planet.🤷♂️
@AP90x
It would happen with or without gamepass. Digital downloads were the first step, then drm authentication bs/ server authentication, then steaming, then gaming as we know it dies.
You can go and buy a snes, genesis/megadrive, and they work just as good as they did on day one. Nowadays, the consoles won't last a decade, let alone three.
ps5 is the last console anyways so who cares, not our fault you guys go crazy over consoles like a bunch of pogs
@MGrey-qb5xz
You don't know if the PS5 is the last console. Microsoft however have stated that if this generation fails, there won't be another.
Microsoft will undoubtedly be the one's who take gaming in the wrong direction. The leak proves they're going to abandon physical hardware. Taking power away from the gamer is what they're doing, just like on PC, where all you can buy now are digital downloads.
@AP90x
The monopoly is what Microsoft is after. There's no denying it. They bought Activision, and leaked emails have shown that they also want Nintendo and Steam. Microsoft would run Nintendo and Steam into the ground, just like they do with all their studios. Sony are no better nowadays with Sony first party exclusives going to s**t.
Without competition, the quality of games released would decline, and fast.
I'd rather wait for the PS5 Pro, the "slim" is a waste of time.
Apparently that could be coming next year. I won't be getting it, since I already have a PS5.
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There's a lot they could have done about it; and that is to offer a physical version of the console with a built-in drive, like they did before. As far as i'm concerned, there is no excuse for not offering that choice and doing it they watly they have here.
Don't blame the usa governent For that because ir it had to be like that sony was well aware of it before launching that model, so i think the opposite they want to monetize as much as they can
Xbox fanboy tin foil hat time as usual
Weird! Sony fail