@@SinisterScoundrel6562they weren't 'select' they were a group of typical cops. They made up their mind about her on the word of a fellow 'leo', without any investigation, and abused her on the grounds that they thought she was faking illness. Which is not a crime. If it was a select few who acted like this, the others would have stood up for her and stopped this before the abuse happened. They all used their authority as police officers to bully an extremely vulnerable and sick old woman to death. They may not have expected her to die in them, but they knew what they were doing was not kind or humane. If they didn't, they don't deserve the title of human, let alone the authority of the police force.
I've been discharged from a hospital while going into renal failure and had to go to another. ER staff are like police, most are good people who want to help people other however are complete sociopaths that somehow think thur basic degree and tiny amount of power makes them some how superior. I've had health problems and required a lot of visits, one time a DR was getting real arrogant with me in my room talking to me like trash. I simply told him "You know a doctorate doesn't protect you from an ass whooping" when the cops arrived I was released because I told them it wasn't a threat it was a suggestion to improve his attitude because it could escalate with a less reasonable patient than me. (AKA plausible deniability)
First part yes, I agree with, the hospital was primarily responsible, but IMO the police should never have been called. Clearly Lisa was severely ill and her discharge from hospital, even a private hospital, was likely illegal, but the police are not medical professionals and they were misled/ tricked by the hospital that discharged her. I don't thing the police deserve much, if any, of the blame.
I hope that family goes for blood. Nobody should spend their last hours on earth being abused like she was and I include the hospital in this statement.
I was treated like this before at a Sacramento Emergency Room. And I'm retired as an EMT. I became physically disabled and it puts you in a level of poverty where you're not going to look your best because you don't have money. Unfortunately people with somewhat low IQs are going to treat you like you are so far below them based on appearance. I have encountered that as well and it is horrible.
I'm placing blame also on the hospital and doctor who discharged her. She obviously was not well enough to leave, but they didn't want to deal with her anymore, basically throwing her out onto the streets. Arrangements should have been for her to go somewhere safe, like an extended care facility, nursing home or at the very least, a homeless shelter.
I’m a young person who suffered a strokelike event, and this is how I was treated. If not for a Good Samaritan, I would have died in the same way. This kind of treatment is SO much more common than people think.
@Spay or Neuter CHRISTIANS That doesn't have anything to do with it. It's not like this kind of thing only happens in countries with lots of Christians. For instance, in East Asian countries homeless people are often shamed and not offered much help at all, from the government or most passer-bys. You obviously have some kind of monomania. What would you say to a person that went around saying "Spay and neuter Muslims!" or "Spay and neuter Hindus!" or "Spay and neuter Jews!" or whatever? There are billions of Christians in the world and you hate them all? I'm not even Christian myself but what the fuck.
Unfortunately, when some professionals make a snap decision that there's nothing wrong, they close their eyes to all evidence to the contrary, switch to punishment mode, and carry everyone else with them.
As a person who is disabled this does not surprise me. I was having a cardiac event and called 911. I started to cry and the EMT chastised me for crying. I find this just reinforces my fear of needing to call for help.
I called 911 when stabbed in the lung and couldn’t talk very well. They hung up on me twice. I was homeless so I didn’t have enough money for a taxi and took a streetcar to the hospital. First streetcar driver kicked me off after two stops, (maybe more, I’m not sure because it was a long time ago and I was bleeding into my lung and very dizzy). The next streetcar drove directly to the hospital and actually had some people waiting with a rolling gurney. The City released all of their less dangerous mentally disturbed patients from the mental hospitals and one was staying at the same YMCA as me. He thought my Sony Walkman was a device that was harming him so he stabbed me after I made a phone call for him at a phone booth and he heard a fax machine or computer signal. He had severe schizophrenia or some other mental illness.
@John-Paul Silke that is really sad. I'm sorry you were treated so poorly and without compassion. The second streetcar driver did you a solid thankfully.
As an RN and a human being, this makes me absolutely sick. I would never dream of treating a patient this way. The hospital workers and police should pay with their jobs and their pocketbooks. And the police who abused her should be plopped into jail for awhile. They certainly had no problems threatening her with jail.
Also a nurse. This is unacceptable. I would NEVER dream of treating another person this way. Scary how they all piled on and nobody had any humanity regarding this poor,poor woman. Sickening!
Thank you, I'm a retired nurse and I'll be 70 this fall. I am so disgusted by this, what happened to "dignity and respect"? I specialized in geriatrics (Alzheimer's patients to be specific) and never would I treat anyone like this! I am fearful regarding what seems to be a trend in the mistreatment of the elderly. We recently had a case here in Colorado of an officer actually breaking the arm of a 76 yr old Alzheimer's woman and later bragging and laughing about it. Granted he is no longer wearing a badge but OMG! The dispassionate disregard for other human beings is making me heartsick...
Unfortunately the perpetrators won’t suffer anything but self pity. Remorse requires compassion and obviously if they had any the situation would not have occurred.
I doubt they are losing any sleep over true remorse for what they did to that lady, just probably feeling sorry for themselves and the trouble they are in now!
This reminds me of the confused elderly woman who had her shoulder dislocated and skull fractured by a cop as she didn't stop walking after being accused of shoplifting. In fact she had not taken anything from the store, but garnered suspicion as she was confused. Before he attacked her and forced her hands behind her back she had been saying she wanted to go home. Some of these cops really ought to be locked up themselves in order to protect the public.
This was so horrible. It wasn't just failure to get proper medical attention, it was cruelty. That poor woman must've been so frightened, and nobody was helping her.
@Spay or Neuter CHRISTIANS -- some of the worst people I know are church-going hypocrites. They claim to follow Christ's teachings, but do not practice what they preach.
That she correctly said she was going to die haunts me. She knew. The officers did the opposite of "protect and serve." They deprived her of lifesaving care, killing her. When a person says they're having trouble breathing, or that they're going to die, it can be a VERY BAD sign. The latter is actually one of the symptoms of anaphylactic shock.
@@a.w.thompson4001 -- The hospital staff had convinced themselves that she was a malingerer, and the cops were all too happy to go along with the same assumptions. And I hate to say this -- but if she had been young, thin and cute, I bet they all would've taken her much more seriously.
It's scary. About 3 decades ago, when I was about 20, I felt unwell after donating blood. I was on the street, and had to lie down on a bench (my blood tension was probably too low). Nobody helped me, and the way people were looking at me, they obviously thought I was a junkie. Ditto 15 year later when I was going to a medical appointment, 1 day after having had surgery under anaesthesia. I had spent the night in hospital to recover but was still feeling out of it, and got lost. I had to carefully select someone to help me (I was on the phone to my doctor's receptionist, I had told her on what street I was and she was trying to give me directions as I was only a couple of hundreds yards away, but I just couldn't make any sense of it). I explained to an African lady that I was lost and couldn't understand the directions, I handed the phone over to her, the receptionist gave her the directions, and she accompanied until we hit the correct street. Most people would just have assumed I was drunk.
@Spay or Neuter CHRISTIANS Off topic ... ... but why only Christians ...? Surely they're other religious people whom can be argued are just as bigoted, and cruel ... I'm just saying, Spay or Neuter ALL REGLIOUS INDIVIDUALS is a better argument, than just singling out just one religion ... Not even Christopher Hitchens did _that_ ...
30 years as an RN. My mantra was always 'Do as you would be done by'. Shameful behaviour by the police - and how was she ever left sitting outside a hospital in the first place? Bless her heart x
I know how she feels. I had a miscarriage once and was told I was never pregnant. My HCG, urine, and blood had all come back positive, though. Another time, I had a gallstone stuck in my bile duct and someone tried to tell me it was just gas. Thank God my husband insisted they do an ultrasound or something and they found it. I don't know what I would have done without him.
@@anablackwood6141 me too. i was in hospital for something else and was told my pregnancy was a delusion. then i started bleeding they said it was a period until they realised something was seriously wrong they investigated and discovered i was having a miscarriage. i hope you find or have found some peace
@@anablackwood6141i had a gallstone that nearly filled my gallbladder and it took a month of me complaining and getting sick for the hospital to order an ultrasound, because my blood wasn't showing sepsis and im overweight.🙃
This is one of the saddest stories. 😢 The medical staff and security guards and the police failed this elderly lady. I can't imagine why she was left outside in a wheelchair and neglected by the staff. They all especially the police should be held accountable.
Being an RN of 30 years, I'm absolutely horrified by the treatment of this poor woman. I'm crying and have no words. Thanks for presenting us this case with such empathy Dr Grande.
This is absolutely heartbreaking and horrific. The lady was slowly dying and they treated her like less than human. She must have been so scared and alone. I hope she haunts each and everyone of them.
Trespassing?? Poor woman was sitting outside a hospital, she wasnt doing any harm. My heart breaks for her. What an uncaring terrible sad way to die.. 😢
Apparently american hospitals (not all of them) quite often wheel patients into the street in a wheelchair and dump them on the street, particularly if they don't have health insurance or are addicts or homeless. I live in Australia and had a spinal issue which meant I couldn't walk at the time and the public hospital after a couple days tried to discharge me and I complained and had to get a health advocate to speak to them to convince them to keep me as I was in no condition to leave let alone take care of myself. I was transferred to another hospital and all up I spent 2 and a half months in hospital and had to do rehab to learn to walk again.
@bcase5328 I honestly don't think anybody cared... That's the great "America"....Think you need to be rich for anybody, too, care..The poor get poorer and you need insurance to get treated.. I'm from Northern Ireland, and even though our NHS is bad at the moment, that would never happen here. It's not just sad it makes me angry..
Our system is super messed up. The government is in charge of the hospitals. They make rules about how big and how many can be in a city. When they made a big stink about how we didn’t have enough beds for patients during covid they never bothered to mention that our hospitals are almost always at capacity. It’s not a new thing- that’s why they’re going to discharge you as soon as they can & just park you on the sidewalk. They need the beds and the city won’t allow them to expand. The government also has a limit on how many doctors and nurses we can have in the country- only so many people are allowed to become a doctor or nurse each year so that there’s always a shortage and they can make more money.
@@brianclingenpeel5123 psychosomatic condition or mental illness are 2 possible reasons she may have been distressed- even after the hospital discharged her. Why did none of the cops go question the hospitals decision to discharged when the patient was clearly having issues?
This happened in my hometown….the hospital and law enforcement all need to be held responsible for this. I feel so sad for Lisa that she spent her final hours in absolute agony. My heart breaks.
I agree. I'm in Maryville. She went to Blount Memorial first. They're awful. The security guard needs to lose his job and go to hell. The cops all need to be fired, and be prosecuted. Chief Noel should be ashamed of the way this was handled. The DA is full of shite, and the ME saying that it was "natural causes" literally is like saying that a person who dies of asthma died of natural causes because they had an asthma attack, but they don't take into account the person holding a pillow over their face. I'm ashamed, and angry.
@@TiptonMama my son was born at Blount Memorial, he’s grown now but it was decent back in the day. It seems hospitals now are more interested in profit and not in helping patients. Our medical system is a huge flop. As is our justice system. Those cops really need punished.
@@AmyDCools I believe it was great before. And I believe there are services that are still wonderful now, too. I've gotten labs there, physical therapy, and some of my Drs are out of Blount Memorial and are fantastic. It's truly a shame what KPD has done, and how corrupt they are. Chief Noel was brought in to fix that, but he's just as bad as the rest. Did you hear about the Trinity Clark case? The cop that chased her down, for no reason at all, without lights or siren, and then attacked her for no reason, he acted like a stalker, and like she was his prey. It's truly terrifying. Knowing that he was trying to avoid his dashcam coming on makes it far more concerning, and that he was only punished for his language is an indication of a far bigger problem... But I digress... I think if Blount Memorial was a better facility, or if Ft. Sanders had done a more thorough assessment before discharging her, she wouldn't have faced the whole situation with those cops. That security guard was such an ass, and the cops literally couldn't run two brain cells together to think for themselves. Both of my babies were born at Ft. Sanders. One niece and a nephew were too, of the many I have. I've stood on that corner many times waiting for my husband to bring our vehicle from the parking garage. I'm just so sick over it.
I was treated similarly. I went to the ER in excruciating pain. The ER doctor didn't do any tests, no examination, he just yelled at me and sent me away with an acid reflux diagnosis, which is something I already have, and I have it managed quite well. When I went back to the ER less than 12 hours later it was discovered that my gallbladder was actively bursting (inflamed and hemorrhaging), that it was yellow from infection, and that I had sepsis due to the infection spreading into my blood. I required an emergency surgery and a week long stay in the hospital to recuperate and receive multiple antibiotics under observation.
So, that cop was upset that he was receiving death threats...? Then maybe he should try to imagine how that poor woman felt while she was actually dying.
I can’t even imagine how awful she felt. The part about her urinating in the police car is especially heartbreaking, they didn’t let her have even a shred of dignity. She was in a bad place in life and all they did was treat her like shit and throw the on the floor of th cop car to die. 😞
This really hit a lot of nerves. I was treated poorly when I had my first stroke in my 30s, I was told to go home because I was "just having a migraine" and they had a couple car accident victims coming in (they needed to prioritize over me and make room). Then, a few years ago, I had blood clots in my lungs, and the ER didn't believe I had any real problems. The doctor scolded me for going there for a "non life threatening condition." My family doc diagnosed the problem (with a CT the ER didn't do) the next day. Apparently, an old therapist didn't believe some of my physical complaints, and I've been labled as a hypochondriac in my medical records ever since (I can't remember the term they used, but that is what it meant). It follows me everywhere, although every problem I've ever had or complained of has been verified medically. I literally have PTSD now from going to the ER, and still have to prove myself I feel with each doctor visit. I'm now about the same age as this poor lady was when she died, and also overweight. I'm terrified of having medical emergencies now, afraid of not being believed more than of the medical emergencies themselves (and I've had a few.)
I have been an RN for decades. I learned very early if someone tells you something, you assess it. Get an O2 sat for shortness of breath, check for redness, warmth or swelling for complaints of pain. I could see Lisa's abdominal breathing while hanging out of the van. This whole episode makes me sick to my stomach. Keep your family doc and if you haven't yet, explain to them how you got that erroneous label. You may want to put it in writing and request it to be removed from your chart. Go to the E.R. if you need help. If a doctor blows you off, tell a nurse what you need. If all else fails, leave and remain in your vehicle. If your condition deteriorates, call 911 from the parking lot. At least you will be assessed by paramedics who don't know you were accused of "faking".
@@cathunter3042 Great suggestions! My thought, too, was to try to get that erroneous information in her file deleted. How are you do that? I’m not sure, but you had good ideas.❤❤✌🏻
@loralieisa , thank you. That hospital is very aware of my bloodclots now (pulmonary embolism or PEs) as shortly after my diagnosis and being put on blood thinners, I ended up in the same hospital for a few days with a TIA (transcient ischemic stroke.) I ended up with the same doctor in the ER, but after I told her my primary care doctor diagnosed me after a CT scan the next day after the initial visit, she verified my medical records with the PEs, and just snorted something about "I was just following protocol." Because of my condition (and to cover her butt), I was admitted for a couple of days. When moved to an in-patient floor, she didn't manage to tell them about the PEs, just told them at this point I had either a TIA (which often can't be proven medically as it is temporary) or something psychological causing my symptoms. I made sure the floor nurses knew about the PEs because they didn't know, and it is now in the records (gross oversight to not tell them). Not related to my situation, but that doctor is no longer there.
I had autoimmune encephalitis during the height of the pandemic. I was at an ER confused, delirious, etc and my partner wasn't allowed to come in. In fact they were ordered to get off the property entirely. They promised my partner they would call before I was discharged and would keep me until she arrived, as my partner was afraid bc I didn't know where I was or anything. Several hours went by and my partner became worried and called, only to be told I'd been discharged more than two hours prior and had been removed from the building, no one knew where I was. It was over 100 degrees Fahrenheit. Police had to be called and I was found unconscious slumped against a building nearby. I have no memory of anything from that entire day. This is the kind of thing that happens to vulnerable people when society is so harsh and cruel.
During the height of the pandemic, I was hospitalized - they discharged me early while I was still ill, and forced me to wait outside for my ride. =/ this was in the Phoenix, AZ area during the summer and it was way over 100* that day. The only thing available to sit on was a concrete bench, but thankfully it was under shade. I laid there for about an hour before my ride showed up, too exhausted and ill to even sit upright.
@@haleyrison68 Yes, America needs to DUMP the Insurance companies and provide Universal Health Care. Big Pharma needs to be reigned in and told what they can charge.
One of my late mother's fears, when I was a child was that her slurred speech from MS would would be considered by the police as symptoms that she was drunk.
I have ataxia that is more obvious when I'm tired. I've been breathlysed multiple times by the police because I'm also blind and if I walk alone at night I must be drunk, right? 🤦🏽♂️
I use a Walker and I feel the same freaking way how could you do that to another human being cinestill and caring and they were supposed to be there to help her this is so sad family sues everybody
I'm sorry for your situation Danielle. It made me think: I often feel powerless at times, but I should always remember that those with physical disabilities must feel even more vulnerable.
What a terribly disturbing and haunting case! It reminds me of the quote, "There but for the grace of God go I." She was a human being, and none of them treated her with an ounce of warmth or compassion. Your entire video was so incredibly moving, Dr. Grande!! ♡♡
This is disgraceful. How the hospital thought it ok to kick her out is beyond comprehension. At no point was this ill woman shown any compassion whatsoever. Heartbreaking 😢
Why would someone living in Rhode Island travel to Tennessee if they were expecting to need medical care? That makes no sense. Who expects better care in Tennessee than Rhode Island?
All it takes is for one spiteful or incompetent staff member to label you as a liar / faker / problematic / nutcase -and the herd will believe it and treat you accordingly. It happens every day.
@@Sun_Flower1 it’s happened to me. Not to this horrendous outcome, thankfully, but I can definitely relate to the feelings of hopelessness and injustice.
I'm actually glad that they received threats. They treated a dying woman like she was a cockroach. When you do that to someone, you're going to end up having to look over your shoulder...
I was in the ER at a "nice" major hospital in an upscale area of Charlotte, NC about 30 years ago. A few of the ER staff, young women, were openly mocking, sneering and openly laughing at an elderly lady who cried that she was hurt being moved from gurney to gurney. She was a little light-weight person who could have been lifted carefully. I wasn't in a position to challenge them but I wish I had. The worst of them, who had weird propeller-like swirly bangs, and I had a stare-down where she gave me threatening looks. The thought of getting sick or injured as an elderly person is a scary thing.
Some of the tactics used by the police in this case have been used against me by doctors in Oregon which has a terrible medical system. I have had a peculiar and dangerous heart rhythm for years. Doctors were extremely abusive while 'diagnosing' anxiety disorder and telling me, basically, to straighten up and cure myself. In 2012 the cardiac rhythm would no longer correct itself and ED doctors told me I would die if I didn't find a medication that would control the matter. I began taking a beta blocker and got a whole new life after 37 years of being shamed and abused by doctors.
@@annalisette5897 I don't know what metric you're using to determine Oregon has a "terrible medical system" - we really don't, but I'm sorry you had a hard time. We def have a long way to go re treating addiction issues, but which state doesn't? I'm glad you're doing better and I wish you well. Peace
@@beckydavis4958 I lived in Oregon for quite some time. I found that doctors and other medical personnel in general lacked compassion. Lack of compassion blocked competence, IMO. Thus I had a deadly cardiac condition which was repeatedly diagnosed as "anxiety" and which nearly killed me in 2012. At that time I began taking a beta blocker and was able to restart my life. That's my personal story, short form. I saw other egregious abuses of patients by too many in the medical profession over a number of years. I have moved back to my birth state, Idaho. Prior to moving, things had not improved in Oregon. I too wish you well. Peace.
@@johnnyvt9Even if... not saying she did or didn't...would that justify any of this? No. Absolutely not! That could have been your mother or daughter.
@@johnnyvt9 What's that suppose to mean? That she shouldn't have gone to the hospital when she couldn't breathe, that she should have waited it out? So many times people end up dying because they waited or were worried about not being taken seriously. There is no "crying wolf" when it comes to your health especially when death is a likely outcome. I hope you never have to advocate for yourself or a loved one.
Wow. As a 25+ yr RN working at a hosp in our city and have worked at our Level 1 Trauma center here, they all failed this poor lady. There are hosp services in place to handle these cases and those cops need EKGs bc I don't think any of them have a heart. I hope a nurse or tech held her hand at the end. I've held many. God Bless
Dr Grande's final words summed up how I felt about this case: "The last hours of Lisa's life were spent being ridiculed, mistreated, and falsely accused." If I discovered that my mother had been treated that way in her final hours I don't think I would be able to control my rage against the "officers" involved, although I'd prefer to use the word "thugs". And as always, there is virtually no price to be paid by the the police for their horrendous behaviour. I regard myself as very lucky; my mother died in bed surrounded by her loved ones.
If one does not give mercy to a fellow human being how can they ever expect to receive it. We all need to put ourselves in Lisa's place. Let's all be kind to others.
The police officers may one day find themselves in need and for their pleads for help to go unheeded and mocked at the time when they instead need a good Samaritan. The law of karma.
I saw the original video and i cannot commend you enough for your analysis. Not only did you get everything right, but gave insight into certain mindsets. Much respect from the UK.
This is one of your BEST videos, Dr. Grande. I'm so glad you did this profile. I saw a story on this incident with Lisa Edwards, a few weeks ago and it broke my heart. The people, namely, the police, Brandon Wardlaw Adam Barnett and Timothy Distasio ALL behaved unprofessionally, cruelly and should ALL be terminated. These three degenerates do NOT have appreciation for human life and how could ANYONE be THIS STUPID? THEY and their conduct CAUSED this poor old woman's death. THEY did this. Your profile here is one of your best. I'm so glad you did this.
This case hits me especially hard, I was discharged after being refused fluids and ended up going to the Urgent care and they did testing and I was heading towards renal(kidney) failure they tried poking me over 20x before calling an off duty phelbotmotobist(sp?) And even she struggled to find one and was considering going deep. Luckily I got the fluids(3 bolis's) and it got me back to normal. My dad stopped me from returning to the ER to show the DR my fancy hammer. 😂. Something changed in me though, I decided I'll never accept any level of disrespect from medical staff and I'll go from zero to violence at even a hint of condescension.
Doctors can develop an opinion about a patient based solely on there appearance. It's very disconcerning people who are paid to care for other humans can be so apathetic and callous. I agree some doctors deserve an ass whooping and maybe it will teach them some respect. But probably not. Whatever happened to the good old doctors who worked till they died and accepted a chicken as payment.
@@smokeskull I'm gonna chime in again, my ER visits were mostly in the middle of the night, I had a syndrome that was undiscovered till 2012 so they treated me like I was faking. I learned you have to put on clean clothes, brush your hair and clip nails(even if it's be two weeks of sickness) before you go in to get better treatment.
The behavior of those officers towards that poor woman are inhumane and disgusting. We had a similar incident at my hospital in Baltimore a few years ago. I feel like the hospital has some culpability in the outcome of this incident. At our hospital we can no longer discharge a patient to a curb. Shaking my head in disgust, but Dr. Grande did a great job on this one.
"Imamu Baraka, a psychotherapist who has an office across the street from the University of Maryland Medical Center Midtown Campus, told The Associated Press he was so angry at the woman’s treatment that he decided to record Tuesday night’s events on cellphone video, fearing no one would believe him if he reported a patient being left at a bus stop like that on a cold January night."
I was disturbed for hours after watching the video. That precious woman was treated inhumanely. What on earth is wrong with these people??? RIP Lisa Edwards, You deserved to be treated with dignity and respect. So shocking.
I couldn't agree more. I never want to get to a point where I get desensitized and stop seeing people as human beings and they matter. If we are able to ,all of us will get to her age and some will have health issues. You should never lose compassion and empathy for mankind. If you job causes it then you need to find something else to do.
I'm from Knoxville Tennessee and this was horrific the way the cops treated her was absolutely despicable I don't know how any of the people involved sleep at night
This is such an issue in our country!!! Women don’t get listened to when we’re sick! I was ignored for five years when I had a 15lb tumor. At least a dozen or two doctors just sent me to psychiatrists as it was “mental” or it was just bloating from being vegetarian. Finally a doctor took me seriously & did a scan that visit & found the tumor & another smaller one. I know have chronic health issues as I wasn’t treated earlier enough, & funny enough doctors now often don’t believe me about my chronic pain that is largely resultant of it weighing on my spine for years.
I have seen this dismissal of symptoms by doctors multiple times. To some degree, I understand, 99% of the time, it is nothing. But they need to make sure it isn't a 1% serious thing that needs treatment. This is why we go to doctors.
I believe it... I have seen it happen to Many women and No pain patient is treated well in the USA thanks to the 2016 ćďç 'guidelines' that have been used against the human rights of Millions
@wayne_3791es. My Dr from birth perscrib3d me as a teen contradictory meds. More then once. And if my mother had not checked, would have killed me. The way he treated my mother and I vs my step dad was night and day. All woman's issues was hysteria. If a woman is of color, it is even worse. The US has the highest maternal mortality rates in the developed world. Especially if they are woman of color. In med school ppl are still taught that black p dont feel pain the same as yt ppl.
@Wayne3791 when I first started to realize I had food allergies and sensitivities I was offered antidepressants because "food doesn't make people sick".
This is something that scares me, as a parent with a son with autism and as a caregiver of people with developmental disabilities and mental health issues. This group of people aren't taken seriously often and disregard, which is infuriating.
I hope Lisa had family that gave a damn.... because why was she left alone while in such a condition? Why did she not have a family member or caregiver with her?
as a nurse and a fellow human being, this is unsettling to say the least. i’ve had my fair share of unkindly dealings with difficult patients, but this is just ludicrous. if she had so many acute health complaints, they could have easily brought her back into the ED to be triaged again. she is a human being.
The reality is that a jail wouldn't accept someone clearly not medically stable for booking, (because if they do, it's their headache and liability) so even if it's a PIA, they should have gotten her medically cleared. The hospital and the officers were both negligent. She shouldn't have been traveling with such precarious health, because depending on the kindness of strangers is overly optimistic.
The ED can be a cruel place for people. I went in at age 40 with known gallstones having a gallbladder attack. I was crying and restless. I will never forget the “cute” young nurse (who couldn’t have been a nurse even a year) who laughed at me, told me to go sit down and wait my turn, that everyone here was hurting. I was a nurse at that very hospital. The ER doctor was of course charmed by her and laughed at me too. I can imagine how they treated this poor woman. They wanted her out of the hospital and off their premises. They did not care to find out what was wrong and try to ease her suffering. My mother died in the hospital and thankfully they worked really hard in the ER. But I wonder if she had came in alive and talking if they would have been as sympathetic. Someone needs to develop an empathy test to rule out bad caregivers. THAT kills people more than any poor skill or medication error.
MR, truly appreciate ppl who take their "job" seriously. Actually teaching and nursing were jobs but also "callings". Your so right there should be some kind of psychological questions as to basic suitability.
There are a few shocking elements to this story. A police sergeant gets demoted to officer, and two others get suspended for a total of 14 days when they collectively were responsible for a civilian's death. When they have someone in their custody, they **DO** have a duty to act, as opposed to no actual duty to protect anyone at any other time. Most shocking of all, the police investigated themselves and did not find that they are all heroes.
The parallels of her being dismissed because of their burn-out, complacency, jaded attitude is no different than how intractable pain patients feel < pre-judged and lumped in with the abusers and real criminals why they (ass)umed, implied she was Hospital hopping for drugs - essentially having to deal with the really brutral consequences of others. Incredibly Sad so sorry for this Woman.
As an intractable pain patient I say thank you for bringing attention to that. We were the first to be screwed over.... I lost my pain management medicine in 2017 and it was only because the DEA was coming down even on pain management specialists. We were completely compliant in my records proved it we had pill counts, we had urine tests, everything. The first year they started doing this to pain patients, there were over 700 suicides of intractable pain patients.
Man, I remember when this was on the news. I'm so glad you didn't include audio, because that was horrific. In that last bit, as she's sinking down in the seat, she is asking for help...politely! For god's sake! She says please help me. It's pretty easy to tell she really needs it, and all you hear is Tennessee's finest laughing. No justice in this state.
It's good to see this case receiving more attention. I watched the video awhile back and was absolutely sickened and horrified. Tennessee law enforcement sure has made headlines lately for all the wrong reasons. As the pandemic has illuminated over the last few years, there is a disgusting lack of value and regard for the lives of those who are less fortunate, in health or financially, etc. I will never look at this country or humanity the same way again. All I can do is my part to care for others and be aware of those in need. Always choose kindness and empathy. May none of us ever find ourselves at the mercy of sociopaths in authority.
My friends neighbor was arrested in ashland Kentucky. He was overweight and had covid and the time. He was arrested for a failure to appear and begged the police to take him to the hospital. They denied and he died while they were booking him. Sad
Thank you for commenting on this case. The elephant in the room seems to me the poor hospital patient management. It appears she was pushed out of the hospitals prematurely, without proper diagnostics, but we may never know because of “privacy laws”. HIPPA laws from my experience do very little to nothing to protect an individual, while hospitals and care facilities use it to block family me members and press access to information that is needed to promote the health and welfare of our loved ones and community.
That's what I was thinking. Any decent ER doctor should have spotted at least the bronchitis, but some of the other conditions should have been seen as well with a fairly cursory review of systems. Based off of the way they said she acted in the hospital, why didn't they admit her into a psychiatric facility?
@@kathybradbury That is not true. Think about it, why almost all developed nations have some form of socialized medicine EXCEPT the United States? Because it works, it's cheaper and people are healthier and can work more.
@@evascordato2673 I have heard in Canada people have to wait forever to be seen. Also, if the government controls healthcare, then they’ll try to force treatments. We need the right to chose.
I cried when I heard this. That poor woman, the suffering and indignation that she suffered through all this is absolutely horrific. This woman had a stroke, and her left side was very weak. She was not normal both mentally or physically. What was going on with those doctors at that hospital, and why did they not do any further investigation of her problem I’ve been a registered nurse in critical care for 44 years. Any medical personnel would’ve seen she is going downhill very fast. But more than that the lack of human compassion by those police officers is outrageous. The only comfort and consolation that I have for this poor lady is that she is no longer suffering. Lisa’s family needs to get a good lawyer and sue the heck out of both the hospital in the police department. My son is a sergeant with the police department in my community. He would’ve never done anything like this.
When I was a teenager, my first boyfriend’s mother was bitten by a brown recluse spider and developed gain green, which eventually turned fatal. Even after amputating her finger, this hospital could not save her. I, personally, know two people with chronic illnesses that will not go to Fort Sanders because of negative treatment and ineffective care. All they have to do is travel one exit down the highway and go to UT hospital where they will receive excellent care. There are not many hospitals in Tennessee with a Dr. House working for them. They will basically stabilize the patient, and that’s it, if they will even do that.
The thing that killed me was that the guy didn't want to help her because she wet in his car. People that aren't blackout drunk don't usually wet themselves unless there's something wrong.
Put simply, they are a-holes. She was an elderly woman in distress and they called her a liar. That poor woman must have been horrified. That man is so self-absorbed, he will never learn the importance of listening to someone until he is old and vulnerable and someone treats him like he is a waste of their time. The hospital treated her like trash too. They called the police to take out the trash, not realizing they were the trashy ones. God help that policeman's mother if this is how he treats vulnerable old women.
@@wanaraz Oh yeah, because they're totally defunding the police in Tennessee, lol. Even the democratic mayor of this city has provided record levels of funding for the police department, and they still suck.
This is horrible, poor Lisa 😢 These people are incompetent to say the least & do not deserve to be police officers. Their inhumane treatment of a human being is sickening.
Couldn’t they have looked up her next of kin that is usually listed in the patient’s hospital record? You’d think the hospital security guard could have asked hospital staff to find out if she had any family. And her history of a stroke with a permanent physical deficit should also have been in her hospital record. She was obviously disabled, sitting in a wheelchair in the front of a hospital! Who put her there? This really makes me angry. RIP Lisa. You deserved compassion and to be treated with care and respect.
I wish all police could have better vetting, to keep out callous people; and better training, so they can tell when a person really is in distress and not faking. I do know people do fake being sick/hurt, but cops CAN be trained to better evaluate this.
Even if you’re 99% sure someone is faking an illness or injury, there’s just some things you don’t call someone’s bluff on. Respiratory distress is one of those things. I also have to wonder what the hell was going on with the hospital. Was there no Social Worker? Did they forbid her from coming back into the ER? Those cops are absolute scum. I hope they live very long lives so they get to a point where they’re physically debilitated. Then, they might know the fear they inflicted on that woman.
Watch police body cam videos. EVERYONE getting arrested screams that they "can't breathe". It's absolutely ridiculous. So blame those scumbags for crying "i can't breathe" to try to avoid arrest. It's because of them, cops don't believe anyone saying that. Also, if I had COPD & Bronchitis, and needed an inhaler..... I wouldn't smoke. Pretty stupid thing to do. She didn't even care about her own life.
@@morticiaheisenberg9679 Your ignorance is astounding. They could have had the sense to know her condition could have changed due to the increasing stress of the situation and at least had her checked by a doctor/nurse who'd be able to tell, and you can't fake a stroke, ffs
@@morticiaheisenberg9679 Gee, if only the police had a code they should abide by regardless of their previous encounters with other people. If only it was literally their job to be impartial and make sure everyone is safe to the best of their ability. Go lick some boots, pig.
@@morticiaheisenberg9679 Also people who can't breathe cry out "I can't breathe.' Being outside of a hospital makes the claim a little more credible too. Unfortunately people have addiction to various things tobacco, alcohol, pornography, sugar, drugs, cell phones, etc..
You apparently haven't seen the video of the hospital in las vegas dumping a completely non ambulatory elderly patient on the sidewalk rather than transferring appropriately to the county hospital next door. This isn't all on the cops by a long shot. Our healthcare system is terrible and in need of tremendous reform. This woman was failed by everyone in her final hours.
Thank you Dr grande for courageously holding accountability & appropriately & professionally describing the heinousness & disrespect of a system & evil doers we pay for.
This happens way too often. Thank you for sharing this and your tremendous empathy and bringing awareness to Lisa’s case and others like it. God Bless you, Ms Lisa. ❤
This is absolutely heartbreaking to watch. It makes me sick that this woman was failed by so many people. She needed help... not to be arrested. The hospital staff failed her by not realizing when she obviously was not doing well. Then they made it worse by calling the police. The officers failed her by not having enough common sense to realize there was something wrong with her. This is awful and shows a clear lack of empathy from every hospital staff and police officer that came in contact with her that day. I pray this never happens again. What an awful way to die. Thank you for sharing this, Dr. Grande. People need to learn from this, so it never happens again.
I'm a retired/disabled R.N.and I can totally see how this can happen; I've seen it involving my own care and in my son's care(he's 34 and suffers from mental health issues). It's absolutely horrible and horrifying. It can and does happen to anyone. Be warned: this world is for the strong only, the rest of us will die and be kicked to the side of the road.
The fact that all of these officers are still working is scary! I hope the family sues the hospital and the police. They should have been charged with manslaughter.
Glad to see your take on this one, as always, Doctor. That hospital shouldn't have called police in the first place. It's disgusting how this country treats the sick and the poor. I watched the video earlier. Her life didn't matter to the hospital or the police. She wasn't viewed as a human.
I urge all Dr Grandes viewers to watch entire over one hour video of Lisa's arrest by police. It's a terrible show by Knoxville police. The KPD were cleared immediately of wrong doing by DA the ink wasn't even dried in the autopsy. If only her son had answered his phone that day maybe a different outcome. Rest in peace Lisa. No one deserves the treatment she underwent. The security acted terribly. Typical hospital patient dumping. Any patient can have their angry behavior controlled using an injection. They were mean to her about her inhaler asking if she wanted a cigarette. They stuff her in back of cruiser on the floor where you can hear she can't breathe. He does a traffic stop with her in the back doesn't check on her until after he finds her unresponsive. The whole thing was a nightmare. I am glad the family is suing. She didn't deserve to die that way. The officers were very callous and no woman cop. The driver of the van did get in trouble for his behavior. Total utter disregard. It's a video that is very hard to watch.
Tennessee native. Who lived in Knoxville, as well as still have lifelong friends there. The corruption in Knox County and Knox City runs deep. The hospitals are just as bad. This is far from the only incident I know of, personally. Not to mention the ones no one ever heard about / was covered up. Lisa, and so many others, deserved much better..
Great analysis Dr. Grand. When I saw this story I was so angry at the officers, and kept thinking what if that was my Mother or someone I loved. Hard to believe that any of them are still officers. What a terrible way to die. 😢❤
I was an EMT back in the 80's, and worked for ambulance companies that did mostly transfers between hospitals and nursing homes and the residences of elderly patients. Some patients were argumentative, even combative at times, and possibly difficult to handle due to weight and/or total inability to assist us. Moving a patient who is 200+ pounds of dead weight around is much harder than most people realize. For untrained, inexperienced people who are only accustomed to yelling at people and tasing and/or beating the hell out of them if they don't do what they are screamed at the first time, with a seasoning of the occasional gunshot if they are a different color or smell funny, a patient like this could very well trigger them, especially if they have gotten it into their one-track minds that the old, disabled lady is Bad Guy. The fact that they gave her The Treatment, instead of listening to her, checking her ankle, giving her the inhaler IMMEDIATELY upon being asked, and just generally checking her status, is a horrible tragedy, and could so easily have been avoided. The fact that the PD and the DA have protected the perpetrators of this horror in the way they apparently have, and the fact that the perps themselves are playing the victims and whingeing about their poor, pathetic little feewings, is all too predictable; inevitable, even, in today's society. I hope that somehow the family can find justice for the grandmother who just wanted to be with her family.
This looks like a healthcare system under extreme stress. It looks like the hospital didn't want to deal with her and dumped her. There's no way the police should even have been called here. The police is there to deal with crime, not sick people.
Hello, Dr.Grande as i watched the entire arrest video. And from the moment law enforcement arrived, they handled his situation with disgusting unprofessionalism and negligence..
Rest in peace Lisa. This is an absolute outrage! If I was her family I would be coming at everyone involved at least in civil court. Lisa's rights were violated in the worst way. Nobody assessed her health situation and played God with her life. Thank you for covering this Dr. Grande. You're the best.
Thank you Dr Granda. As a nurse in my community I often see this same condescending behavior from the paramedics in my area, they believe they are above those that are old and in need of support. I actually had a paramedic try to convince me to not respect the patient decision to transport because, as he stated, "they're old and what are we going to do for her, she's 91?" I have since quit my nursing profession and support, without payment, the litigation process against paramedics.
Thank you for covering this frightening case. Was the ER Doctor, who dismissed her the first time, charged with malpractice at least? People die of sepsis from blockage!
Being confused and combative are symptoms of many medical issues. Sometimes an argumentative person is dealing with a UTI and not being intentionally insubordinate.
I have been the victim of doctor, nurse and other health care brutality for many years. It is sickening! I believe this and feel medical professionals should be held accountable just like these officers. What a world. 😢
When we fail to show compassion for the weak, we will often find ourselves not receiving it when we need it. He should tread carefully through his years of strength because age will come upon him, if he is blessed with more years.
Someone once said "You can judge a society by how it treats it's most vulnerable"
yes, it was @rose4490, right below your comment.
Well, it was someone. Guess we'll never know who.
@@chetatkins321 lol she didnt invent the quote
It was just a select few bad cops. Society itself would never intend this.
@@SinisterScoundrel6562they weren't 'select' they were a group of typical cops. They made up their mind about her on the word of a fellow 'leo', without any investigation, and abused her on the grounds that they thought she was faking illness. Which is not a crime.
If it was a select few who acted like this, the others would have stood up for her and stopped this before the abuse happened.
They all used their authority as police officers to bully an extremely vulnerable and sick old woman to death. They may not have expected her to die in them, but they knew what they were doing was not kind or humane. If they didn't, they don't deserve the title of human, let alone the authority of the police force.
This is why it is so important to have an advocate with you at the hospital.
You can really tell a lot about a person by how they treat the most vulnerable ones among us.
The hospital bears a large amount of responsibility for this death as well.
Those officers should have been fired at the very least.
Absolutely, in fact I blame them for allowing the whole scene to unfold and not saying something like Wait let’s get a doctor!
I've been discharged from a hospital while going into renal failure and had to go to another. ER staff are like police, most are good people who want to help people other however are complete sociopaths that somehow think thur basic degree and tiny amount of power makes them some how superior.
I've had health problems and required a lot of visits, one time a DR was getting real arrogant with me in my room talking to me like trash. I simply told him "You know a doctorate doesn't protect you from an ass whooping" when the cops arrived I was released because I told them it wasn't a threat it was a suggestion to improve his attitude because it could escalate with a less reasonable patient than me. (AKA plausible deniability)
First part yes, I agree with, the hospital was primarily responsible, but IMO the police should never have been called. Clearly Lisa was severely ill and her discharge from hospital, even a private hospital, was likely illegal, but the police are not medical professionals and they were misled/ tricked by the hospital that discharged her. I don't thing the police deserve much, if any, of the blame.
I am looking up hospital responsibility. This does not seem right.
@@pulaski1 I agree
I hope that family goes for blood. Nobody should spend their last hours on earth being abused like she was and I include the hospital in this statement.
Maybe her family should have put more effort into helping her than suing.
@@robgrey6183 I suspect she didn’t have a lot of close family or she wouldn’t have been left outside a hospital with nowhere to go!
Agreed. They can all pay until they get better training or stop hiring heartless incompetent monsters.
Speaking of her family, where were they? I'm sure that they were notified of her discharge.
Messed up thing is, these cops will go to bed peacefully like they did nothing wrong. Some of these cops are cold blooded.
I was treated like this before at a Sacramento Emergency Room. And I'm retired as an EMT. I became physically disabled and it puts you in a level of poverty where you're not going to look your best because you don't have money.
Unfortunately people with somewhat low IQs are going to treat you like you are so far below them based on appearance.
I have encountered that as well and it is horrible.
I'm placing blame also on the hospital and doctor who discharged her. She obviously was not well enough to leave, but they didn't want to deal with her anymore, basically throwing her out onto the streets. Arrangements should have been for her to go somewhere safe, like an extended care facility, nursing home or at the very least, a homeless shelter.
I’m a young person who suffered a strokelike event, and this is how I was treated. If not for a Good Samaritan, I would have died in the same way. This kind of treatment is SO much more common than people think.
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@spayorneuterchristians Yeah. I wonder what Jesus would think of this?
@Spay or Neuter CHRISTIANS That doesn't have anything to do with it. It's not like this kind of thing only happens in countries with lots of Christians. For instance, in East Asian countries homeless people are often shamed and not offered much help at all, from the government or most passer-bys. You obviously have some kind of monomania. What would you say to a person that went around saying "Spay and neuter Muslims!" or "Spay and neuter Hindus!" or "Spay and neuter Jews!" or whatever? There are billions of Christians in the world and you hate them all? I'm not even Christian myself but what the fuck.
Unfortunately, when some professionals make a snap decision that there's nothing wrong, they close their eyes to all evidence to the contrary, switch to punishment mode, and carry everyone else with them.
@Spay or Neuter CHRISTIANS
You are right, it is common as I worked in EMS and saw it. all the time from the police.
As a person who is disabled this does not surprise me. I was having a cardiac event and called 911. I started to cry and the EMT chastised me for crying. I find this just reinforces my fear of needing to call for help.
I hear you. People should not be afraid to ask for help.
I called 911 when stabbed in the lung and couldn’t talk very well. They hung up on me twice. I was homeless so I didn’t have enough money for a taxi and took a streetcar to the hospital. First streetcar driver kicked me off after two stops, (maybe more, I’m not sure because it was a long time ago and I was bleeding into my lung and very dizzy). The next streetcar drove directly to the hospital and actually had some people waiting with a rolling gurney.
The City released all of their less dangerous mentally disturbed patients from the mental hospitals and one was staying at the same YMCA as me. He thought my Sony Walkman was a device that was harming him so he stabbed me after I made a phone call for him at a phone booth and he heard a fax machine or computer signal. He had severe schizophrenia or some other mental illness.
@John-Paul Silke that is really sad. I'm sorry you were treated so poorly and without compassion. The second streetcar driver did you a solid thankfully.
Wait until you get to the medical facility. The ambivalence of the staff is even more cold hearted. I no longer trust medical professionals.
@@john-paulsilke893 Wow!
As an RN and a human being, this makes me absolutely sick. I would never dream of treating a patient this way. The hospital workers and police should pay with their jobs and their pocketbooks. And the police who abused her should be plopped into jail for awhile. They certainly had no problems threatening her with jail.
I'm a Nurse too & find this frightening. As of recent I too have been the patient. How far down the drain has our Medical Staffers gone?
Just scary.
Also a nurse. This is unacceptable. I would NEVER dream of treating another person this way. Scary how they all piled on and nobody had any humanity regarding this poor,poor woman. Sickening!
Y'all give me hope. For every one not nice person, there are many more with good intent. Live long.
Thank you, I'm a retired nurse and I'll be 70 this fall. I am so disgusted by this, what happened to "dignity and respect"? I specialized in geriatrics (Alzheimer's patients to be specific) and never would I treat anyone like this! I am fearful regarding what seems to be a trend in the mistreatment of the elderly. We recently had a case here in Colorado of an officer actually breaking the arm of a 76 yr old Alzheimer's woman and later bragging and laughing about it. Granted he is no longer wearing a badge but OMG! The dispassionate disregard for other human beings is making me heartsick...
I wonder how much fault lies with hospital admins.
So heartbreaking. To be mocked and abused during your last moments alive. I hope all involved suffer nightmares for the rest of their miserable lives.
Unfortunately the perpetrators won’t suffer anything but self pity. Remorse requires compassion and obviously if they had any the situation would not have occurred.
yes they should however I doubt it as they seem to have no conscious..
I doubt they are losing any sleep over true remorse for what they did to that lady, just probably feeling sorry for themselves and the trouble they are in now!
@@smakkdat
I bet you're right, but if it were me...I don't think I could live with myself and I'm kind of a jerk.
yes!!!
This reminds me of the confused elderly woman who had her shoulder dislocated and skull fractured by a cop as she didn't stop walking after being accused of shoplifting. In fact she had not taken anything from the store, but garnered suspicion as she was confused. Before he attacked her and forced her hands behind her back she had been saying she wanted to go home. Some of these cops really ought to be locked up themselves in order to protect the public.
Not to mention the other cops who were watching the video and giggling at her. They were just sick!
This was so horrible. It wasn't just failure to get proper medical attention, it was cruelty. That poor woman must've been so frightened, and nobody was helping her.
@Spay or Neuter CHRISTIANS -- some of the worst people I know are church-going hypocrites. They claim to follow Christ's teachings, but do not practice what they preach.
That she correctly said she was going to die haunts me. She knew.
The officers did the opposite of "protect and serve." They deprived her of lifesaving care, killing her.
When a person says they're having trouble breathing, or that they're going to die, it can be a VERY BAD sign. The latter is actually one of the symptoms of anaphylactic shock.
@@a.w.thompson4001 -- The hospital staff had convinced themselves that she was a malingerer, and the cops were all too happy to go along with the same assumptions. And I hate to say this -- but if she had been young, thin and cute, I bet they all would've taken her much more seriously.
You just know those cops hi-5ed each other after that and bragged to their colleague about how they're 'heroes' and 'true warriors'.
@Spay or Neuter CHRISTIANS You should visit Norway someday.
I mean, I can see why they treated her so roughly. As a frail, 61 year old woman, she was obviously a terrifying menace to society. 🙄 Poor lady.
Your heroes, the boys in blue.
@@jbrown8601 Three bad cops and incompetent security.
2018? What was this during the fear of zombie threat? I thought people had to take them to the hospital THEN jail?
medical staff called the cops
They treat everyone like that. Unless you are rich.
It's scary.
About 3 decades ago, when I was about 20, I felt unwell after donating blood. I was on the street, and had to lie down on a bench (my blood tension was probably too low). Nobody helped me, and the way people were looking at me, they obviously thought I was a junkie. Ditto 15 year later when I was going to a medical appointment, 1 day after having had surgery under anaesthesia. I had spent the night in hospital to recover but was still feeling out of it, and got lost. I had to carefully select someone to help me (I was on the phone to my doctor's receptionist, I had told her on what street I was and she was trying to give me directions as I was only a couple of hundreds yards away, but I just couldn't make any sense of it). I explained to an African lady that I was lost and couldn't understand the directions, I handed the phone over to her, the receptionist gave her the directions, and she accompanied until we hit the correct street. Most people would just have assumed I was drunk.
I can't watch the rest of this, my heart is breaking. As a disabled person, this terrifies me daily. Rest sweetly Lisa, you will not be forgotten
@Spay or Neuter CHRISTIANS
Off topic ...
... but why only Christians ...? Surely they're other religious people whom can be argued are just as bigoted, and cruel ...
I'm just saying, Spay or Neuter ALL REGLIOUS INDIVIDUALS is a better argument, than just singling out just one religion ...
Not even Christopher Hitchens did _that_ ...
30 years as an RN. My mantra was always 'Do as you would be done by'. Shameful behaviour by the police - and how was she ever left sitting outside a hospital in the first place? Bless her heart x
Unsafe discharge
I know how she feels. I had a miscarriage once and was told I was never pregnant. My HCG, urine, and blood had all come back positive, though. Another time, I had a gallstone stuck in my bile duct and someone tried to tell me it was just gas. Thank God my husband insisted they do an ultrasound or something and they found it. I don't know what I would have done without him.
@@anablackwood6141 me too. i was in hospital for something else and was told my pregnancy was a delusion. then i started bleeding they said it was a period until they realised something was seriously wrong they investigated and discovered i was having a miscarriage. i hope you find or have found some peace
Cop mantras.
"If they can beg for help, they can breath"
"As long as we go home at night, that's all that matters".
@@anablackwood6141i had a gallstone that nearly filled my gallbladder and it took a month of me complaining and getting sick for the hospital to order an ultrasound, because my blood wasn't showing sepsis and im overweight.🙃
This is one of the saddest stories. 😢
The medical staff and security guards and the police failed this elderly lady.
I can't imagine why she was left outside in a wheelchair and neglected by the staff. They all especially the police should be held accountable.
Being an RN of 30 years, I'm absolutely horrified by the treatment of this poor woman. I'm crying and have no words. Thanks for presenting us this case with such empathy Dr Grande.
Oh , Shut It , ok....you've seen that and worse. The biggest non-caring Narcs on the planet, are in the medical field
This is absolutely heartbreaking and horrific. The lady was slowly dying and they treated her like less than human. She must have been so scared and alone. I hope she haunts each and everyone of them.
That’s what I was thinking! Every time they go to sleep at night, all they see is her screaming in their faces and mocking them! 🤬👹☄️💥
Trespassing?? Poor woman was sitting outside a hospital, she wasnt doing any harm. My heart breaks for her. What an uncaring terrible sad way to die.. 😢
She was in a wheelchair, and she wasn't moving. Did anyone check to see if she could move the wheelchair?
Apparently american hospitals (not all of them) quite often wheel patients into the street in a wheelchair and dump them on the street, particularly if they don't have health insurance or are addicts or homeless. I live in Australia and had a spinal issue which meant I couldn't walk at the time and the public hospital after a couple days tried to discharge me and I complained and had to get a health advocate to speak to them to convince them to keep me as I was in no condition to leave let alone take care of myself. I was transferred to another hospital and all up I spent 2 and a half months in hospital and had to do rehab to learn to walk again.
@nrgbunni2370 Oh my god 🥺.. That is terrible. I'm glad you're better now..🤗Take care x
@bcase5328 I honestly don't think anybody cared... That's the great "America"....Think you need to be rich for anybody, too, care..The poor get poorer and you need insurance to get treated.. I'm from Northern Ireland, and even though our NHS is bad at the moment, that would never happen here. It's not just sad it makes me angry..
Our system is super messed up. The government is in charge of the hospitals. They make rules about how big and how many can be in a city. When they made a big stink about how we didn’t have enough beds for patients during covid they never bothered to mention that our hospitals are almost always at capacity. It’s not a new thing- that’s why they’re going to discharge you as soon as they can & just park you on the sidewalk. They need the beds and the city won’t allow them to expand. The government also has a limit on how many doctors and nurses we can have in the country- only so many people are allowed to become a doctor or nurse each year so that there’s always a shortage and they can make more money.
Jesus Christ. Even if she was faking it, she was clearly in distress. Arresting her was barbaric.
100 up votes...what?
@@brianclingenpeel5123 psychosomatic condition or mental illness are 2 possible reasons she may have been distressed- even after the hospital discharged her. Why did none of the cops go question the hospitals decision to discharged when the patient was clearly having issues?
@@brianclingenpeel5123 You're messed up, dude. If someone is acting like they need help, you help them. Period. You are not god, and you do not know.
Secret Name.... Are you saying that she was faking the fact that she was dying?
@@brianclingenpeel5123 No. Sometimes people in distress fake other illnesses to get the proper medical attention they need.
This happened in my hometown….the hospital and law enforcement all need to be held responsible for this. I feel so sad for Lisa that she spent her final hours in absolute agony. My heart breaks.
I agree. I'm in Maryville.
She went to Blount Memorial first.
They're awful.
The security guard needs to lose his job and go to hell.
The cops all need to be fired, and be prosecuted.
Chief Noel should be ashamed of the way this was handled.
The DA is full of shite, and the ME saying that it was "natural causes" literally is like saying that a person who dies of asthma died of natural causes because they had an asthma attack, but they don't take into account the person holding a pillow over their face.
I'm ashamed, and angry.
@@TiptonMama my son was born at Blount Memorial, he’s grown now but it was decent back in the day. It seems hospitals now are more interested in profit and not in helping patients. Our medical system is a huge flop. As is our justice system. Those cops really need punished.
@@AmyDCools I believe it was great before. And I believe there are services that are still wonderful now, too.
I've gotten labs there, physical therapy, and some of my Drs are out of Blount Memorial and are fantastic.
It's truly a shame what KPD has done, and how corrupt they are. Chief Noel was brought in to fix that, but he's just as bad as the rest.
Did you hear about the Trinity Clark case?
The cop that chased her down, for no reason at all, without lights or siren, and then attacked her for no reason, he acted like a stalker, and like she was his prey. It's truly terrifying.
Knowing that he was trying to avoid his dashcam coming on makes it far more concerning, and that he was only punished for his language is an indication of a far bigger problem...
But I digress... I think if Blount Memorial was a better facility, or if Ft. Sanders had done a more thorough assessment before discharging her, she wouldn't have faced the whole situation with those cops.
That security guard was such an ass, and the cops literally couldn't run two brain cells together to think for themselves.
Both of my babies were born at Ft. Sanders.
One niece and a nephew were too, of the many I have.
I've stood on that corner many times waiting for my husband to bring our vehicle from the parking garage.
I'm just so sick over it.
@@TiptonMama It's important to know where there is a good hospital for emergencies.
@@AmyDCools those cops were dim witted to not understand Lisa was very sick and could not get in their paddy wagon.
I was treated similarly. I went to the ER in excruciating pain. The ER doctor didn't do any tests, no examination, he just yelled at me and sent me away with an acid reflux diagnosis, which is something I already have, and I have it managed quite well. When I went back to the ER less than 12 hours later it was discovered that my gallbladder was actively bursting (inflamed and hemorrhaging), that it was yellow from infection, and that I had sepsis due to the infection spreading into my blood. I required an emergency surgery and a week long stay in the hospital to recuperate and receive multiple antibiotics under observation.
So, that cop was upset that he was receiving death threats...? Then maybe he should try to imagine how that poor woman felt while she was actually dying.
That and he was also missing his coffee and oatmeal at the time .
I'm not sure if it would just b a threat if that had been my relative
Straight up.
she must have been absolutely terrified to be in serious respiratory distress and begging for help only to be ignored and berated as you die
Berated by idiots!
I can’t even imagine how awful she felt. The part about her urinating in the police car is especially heartbreaking, they didn’t let her have even a shred of dignity. She was in a bad place in life and all they did was treat her like shit and throw the on the floor of th cop car to die. 😞
This really hit a lot of nerves. I was treated poorly when I had my first stroke in my 30s, I was told to go home because I was "just having a migraine" and they had a couple car accident victims coming in (they needed to prioritize over me and make room). Then, a few years ago, I had blood clots in my lungs, and the ER didn't believe I had any real problems. The doctor scolded me for going there for a "non life threatening condition." My family doc diagnosed the problem (with a CT the ER didn't do) the next day. Apparently, an old therapist didn't believe some of my physical complaints, and I've been labled as a hypochondriac in my medical records ever since (I can't remember the term they used, but that is what it meant). It follows me everywhere, although every problem I've ever had or complained of has been verified medically. I literally have PTSD now from going to the ER, and still have to prove myself I feel with each doctor visit. I'm now about the same age as this poor lady was when she died, and also overweight. I'm terrified of having medical emergencies now, afraid of not being believed more than of the medical emergencies themselves (and I've had a few.)
I have been an RN for decades. I learned very early if someone tells you something, you assess it. Get an O2 sat for shortness of breath, check for redness, warmth or swelling for complaints of pain. I could see Lisa's abdominal breathing while hanging out of the van. This whole episode makes me sick to my stomach. Keep your family doc and if you haven't yet, explain to them how you got that erroneous label. You may want to put it in writing and request it to be removed from your chart. Go to the E.R. if you need help. If a doctor blows you off, tell a nurse what you need. If all else fails, leave and remain in your vehicle. If your condition deteriorates, call 911 from the parking lot. At least you will be assessed by paramedics who don't know you were accused of "faking".
@@cathunter3042 Great suggestions! My thought, too, was to try to get that erroneous information in her file deleted. How are you do that? I’m not sure, but you had good ideas.❤❤✌🏻
Look for a better hospital in your nearby area. Some hospitals are hundreds of times better than others.
@loralieisa , thank you. That hospital is very aware of my bloodclots now (pulmonary embolism or PEs) as shortly after my diagnosis and being put on blood thinners, I ended up in the same hospital for a few days with a TIA (transcient ischemic stroke.) I ended up with the same doctor in the ER, but after I told her my primary care doctor diagnosed me after a CT scan the next day after the initial visit, she verified my medical records with the PEs, and just snorted something about "I was just following protocol." Because of my condition (and to cover her butt), I was admitted for a couple of days. When moved to an in-patient floor, she didn't manage to tell them about the PEs, just told them at this point I had either a TIA (which often can't be proven medically as it is temporary) or something psychological causing my symptoms. I made sure the floor nurses knew about the PEs because they didn't know, and it is now in the records (gross oversight to not tell them). Not related to my situation, but that doctor is no longer there.
@@Nan-59 In a nut shell complain to the Hospital's director. They were at fault and that's very clear.
Honestly, is there no accountability or human decency or respect for our fellow human beings anymore?
Shameful
not for police, no. never has
I had autoimmune encephalitis during the height of the pandemic. I was at an ER confused, delirious, etc and my partner wasn't allowed to come in. In fact they were ordered to get off the property entirely. They promised my partner they would call before I was discharged and would keep me until she arrived, as my partner was afraid bc I didn't know where I was or anything. Several hours went by and my partner became worried and called, only to be told I'd been discharged more than two hours prior and had been removed from the building, no one knew where I was. It was over 100 degrees Fahrenheit. Police had to be called and I was found unconscious slumped against a building nearby. I have no memory of anything from that entire day. This is the kind of thing that happens to vulnerable people when society is so harsh and cruel.
😲😲💝💝
During the height of the pandemic, I was hospitalized - they discharged me early while I was still ill, and forced me to wait outside for my ride. =/ this was in the Phoenix, AZ area during the summer and it was way over 100* that day. The only thing available to sit on was a concrete bench, but thankfully it was under shade. I laid there for about an hour before my ride showed up, too exhausted and ill to even sit upright.
@@thea.m.p.co.467 Absolutely unacceptable. The pandemic really showcased what for profit healthcare actually looks like. And it's despicable.
@@haleyrison68 Yes, America needs to DUMP the Insurance companies and provide Universal Health Care. Big Pharma needs to be reigned in and told what they can charge.
@@thea.m.p.co.467 😥😥
One of my late mother's fears, when I was a child was that her slurred speech from MS would would be considered by the police as symptoms that she was drunk.
I have ataxia that is more obvious when I'm tired. I've been breathlysed multiple times by the police because I'm also blind and if I walk alone at night I must be drunk, right? 🤦🏽♂️
Being someone who is physically disabled and uses a wheelchair this whole case makes me so angry 😡
soooo angryyyy aaahhh sooooo angyyy aaahhh ooohhh...
r0t in h3ll
I use a Walker and I feel the same freaking way how could you do that to another human being cinestill and caring and they were supposed to be there to help her this is so sad family sues everybody
The absolute contempt they showed makes my blood boil. Anyone can become sick or debilitated. That doesn’t mean they stop being human.
I'm sorry for your situation Danielle. It made me think: I often feel powerless at times, but I should always remember that those with physical disabilities must feel even more vulnerable.
What a terribly disturbing and haunting case! It reminds me of the quote, "There but for the grace of God go I." She was a human being, and none of them treated her with an ounce of warmth or compassion.
Your entire video was so incredibly moving, Dr. Grande!! ♡♡
This is disgraceful. How the hospital thought it ok to kick her out is beyond comprehension. At no point was this ill woman shown any compassion whatsoever. Heartbreaking 😢
I had patients like this during my long nursing career. They could be difficult but always responded to compassionate care. This is sad.
Same here. The more distortion, the more the need for care, healing, and compassion.
There needs to be a place an old sick woman can go even if she was an alcoholic. She was gray & couldn't take care of herself 😔
Why would someone living in Rhode Island travel to Tennessee if they were expecting to need medical care? That makes no sense. Who expects better care in Tennessee than Rhode Island?
@@annahgibbus8she died of a stroke. She just needed medical attention
@@elypowell6797 You sound like an unhappy, bitter person. I hope your day gets better now that you have gotten this bile out of your system 😊
This whole episode is terrifying. I can only imagine how lonely and abandoned the poor woman felt. She was failed by everyone she encountered.
America isn't Christian anymore mate. Don't blame them.
All it takes is for one spiteful or incompetent staff member to label you as a liar / faker / problematic / nutcase -and the herd will believe it and treat you accordingly. It happens every day.
@@Sun_Flower1 it’s happened to me. Not to this horrendous outcome, thankfully, but I can definitely relate to the feelings of hopelessness and injustice.
@@neenaj365 Me too. Terrifying to experience just how quickly and completely you can be dehumanised and dismissed.
@@Sun_Flower1 it really is ❤️🩹. Sending strength and love for us who experience this.
I'm actually glad that they received threats. They treated a dying woman like she was a cockroach. When you do that to someone, you're going to end up having to look over your shoulder...
I was in the ER at a "nice" major hospital in an upscale area of Charlotte, NC about 30 years ago. A few of the ER staff, young women, were openly mocking, sneering and openly laughing at an elderly lady who cried that she was hurt being moved from gurney to gurney. She was a little light-weight person who could have been lifted carefully. I wasn't in a position to challenge them but I wish I had. The worst of them, who had weird propeller-like swirly bangs, and I had a stare-down where she gave me threatening looks. The thought of getting sick or injured as an elderly person is a scary thing.
Some of the tactics used by the police in this case have been used against me by doctors in Oregon which has a terrible medical system. I have had a peculiar and dangerous heart rhythm for years. Doctors were extremely abusive while 'diagnosing' anxiety disorder and telling me, basically, to straighten up and cure myself. In 2012 the cardiac rhythm would no longer correct itself and ED doctors told me I would die if I didn't find a medication that would control the matter. I began taking a beta blocker and got a whole new life after 37 years of being shamed and abused by doctors.
@@annalisette5897 I don't know what metric you're using to determine Oregon has a "terrible medical system" - we really don't, but I'm sorry you had a hard time. We def have a long way to go re treating addiction issues, but which state doesn't? I'm glad you're doing better and I wish you well. Peace
@@beckydavis4958 I lived in Oregon for quite some time. I found that doctors and other medical personnel in general lacked compassion. Lack of compassion blocked competence, IMO. Thus I had a deadly cardiac condition which was repeatedly diagnosed as "anxiety" and which nearly killed me in 2012. At that time I began taking a beta blocker and was able to restart my life.
That's my personal story, short form. I saw other egregious abuses of patients by too many in the medical profession over a number of years. I have moved back to my birth state, Idaho. Prior to moving, things had not improved in Oregon.
I too wish you well. Peace.
@@annalisette5897 I understand. I've only lived in Oregon and Washington so my point of reference is pretty limited. Maybe I'm used to it.
Don't tell me: the patient was white and the staffers...weren't.
How very sad for Lisa. I can't imagine what she went through in her last moments. She even told them she was dying. No words 😢
How many times do you think this lady cried wolf before this happened?
@@johnnyvt9Even if... not saying she did or didn't...would that justify any of this? No. Absolutely not! That could have been your mother or daughter.
@@johnnyvt9 What's that suppose to mean? That she shouldn't have gone to the hospital when she couldn't breathe, that she should have waited it out? So many times people end up dying because they waited or were worried about not being taken seriously. There is no "crying wolf" when it comes to your health especially when death is a likely outcome. I hope you never have to advocate for yourself or a loved one.
@@johnnyvt9low iq comment
And no one will care because she’s white
Wow. As a 25+ yr RN working at a hosp in our city and have worked at our Level 1 Trauma center here, they all failed this poor lady. There are hosp services in place to handle these cases and those cops need EKGs bc I don't think any of them have a heart. I hope a nurse or tech held her hand at the end. I've held many. God Bless
Being a resident in TN and using the same hospital (Ft. Sanders Regional), this frightens me! Age is a beast!
Dr Grande's final words summed up how I felt about this case: "The last hours of Lisa's life were spent being ridiculed, mistreated, and falsely accused."
If I discovered that my mother had been treated that way in her final hours I don't think I would be able to control my rage against the "officers" involved, although I'd prefer to use the word "thugs". And as always, there is virtually no price to be paid by the the police for their horrendous behaviour.
I regard myself as very lucky; my mother died in bed surrounded by her loved ones.
If one does not give mercy to a fellow human being how can they ever expect to receive it.
We all need to put ourselves in Lisa's place. Let's all be kind to others.
you are so right; they will reap what they sow
The police officers may one day find themselves in need and for their pleads for help to go unheeded and mocked at the time when they instead need a good Samaritan. The law of karma.
I saw the original video and i cannot commend you enough for your analysis. Not only did you get everything right, but gave insight into certain mindsets. Much respect from the UK.
This is one of your BEST videos, Dr. Grande. I'm so glad you did this profile. I saw a story on this incident with Lisa Edwards, a few weeks ago and it broke my heart. The people, namely, the police, Brandon Wardlaw Adam Barnett and Timothy Distasio ALL behaved unprofessionally, cruelly and should ALL be terminated. These three degenerates do NOT have appreciation for human life and how could ANYONE be THIS STUPID? THEY and their conduct CAUSED this poor old woman's death. THEY did this. Your profile here is one of your best. I'm so glad you did this.
and those degenerates are still in the police force ..very scary
And all 3 are still out there, protecting and serving.
@@jameswithers2334 Scary
The law enforcement and hospital should be ashamed of themselves... disgusting behavior
This case hits me especially hard, I was discharged after being refused fluids and ended up going to the Urgent care and they did testing and I was heading towards renal(kidney) failure they tried poking me over 20x before calling an off duty phelbotmotobist(sp?) And even she struggled to find one and was considering going deep.
Luckily I got the fluids(3 bolis's) and it got me back to normal.
My dad stopped me from returning to the ER to show the DR my fancy hammer. 😂.
Something changed in me though, I decided I'll never accept any level of disrespect from medical staff and I'll go from zero to violence at even a hint of condescension.
The capacity to feel shame presupposes a sense of responsibility and, in this case, empathy.
Doctors can develop an opinion about a patient based solely on there appearance. It's very disconcerning people who are paid to care for other humans can be so apathetic and callous. I agree some doctors deserve an ass whooping and maybe it will teach them some respect. But probably not. Whatever happened to the good old doctors who worked till they died and accepted a chicken as payment.
They should be sued…both of them
Shameful
@@smokeskull I'm gonna chime in again, my ER visits were mostly in the middle of the night, I had a syndrome that was undiscovered till 2012 so they treated me like I was faking. I learned you have to put on clean clothes, brush your hair and clip nails(even if it's be two weeks of sickness) before you go in to get better treatment.
I seen this on body cam channel. Absolutely disgusting.
And they were all given PAID LEAVE and never charged. So sick. 🤬
The behavior of those officers towards that poor woman are inhumane and disgusting. We had a similar incident at my hospital in Baltimore a few years ago. I feel like the hospital has some culpability in the outcome of this incident. At our hospital we can no longer discharge a patient to a curb. Shaking my head in disgust, but Dr. Grande did a great job on this one.
"Imamu Baraka, a psychotherapist who has an office across the street from the University of Maryland Medical Center Midtown Campus, told The Associated Press he was so angry at the woman’s treatment that he decided to record Tuesday night’s events on cellphone video, fearing no one would believe him if he reported a patient being left at a bus stop like that on a cold January night."
absolutely. 100%
Yes! They shouldn't just dump people.
I was disturbed for hours after watching the video. That precious woman was treated inhumanely. What on earth is wrong with these people??? RIP Lisa Edwards, You deserved to be treated with dignity and respect. So shocking.
I couldn't agree more. I never want to get to a point where I get desensitized and stop seeing people as human beings and they matter. If we are able to ,all of us will get to her age and some will have health issues. You should never lose compassion and empathy for mankind. If you job causes it then you need to find something else to do.
I'm from Knoxville Tennessee and this was horrific the way the cops treated her was absolutely despicable I don't know how any of the people involved sleep at night
Sociopaths have no issues sleeping at night
They sleep fine. They are sociopaths and narcissists.
@@breathnstop would be cool if there was a blood test that could identify these non-humans and isolate them from the rest of us!
Wasn't it awful? When I saw it on the news, I thought, "Is this happening now? Can I get over there?" It was so obvious she needed help.
Didn't you hear? 'Officer safety' first, everyone else can take a hike.
This is such an issue in our country!!! Women don’t get listened to when we’re sick! I was ignored for five years when I had a 15lb tumor. At least a dozen or two doctors just sent me to psychiatrists as it was “mental” or it was just bloating from being vegetarian. Finally a doctor took me seriously & did a scan that visit & found the tumor & another smaller one. I know have chronic health issues as I wasn’t treated earlier enough, & funny enough doctors now often don’t believe me about my chronic pain that is largely resultant of it weighing on my spine for years.
@Wayne3791 Quite often, yes.
There are quite a number of studies and articles on this topic, actually.
I have seen this dismissal of symptoms by doctors multiple times. To some degree, I understand, 99% of the time, it is nothing. But they need to make sure it isn't a 1% serious thing that needs treatment. This is why we go to doctors.
I believe it... I have seen it happen to Many women and No pain patient is treated well in the USA thanks to the 2016 ćďç 'guidelines' that have been used against the human rights of Millions
@wayne_3791es. My Dr from birth perscrib3d me as a teen contradictory meds. More then once. And if my mother had not checked, would have killed me. The way he treated my mother and I vs my step dad was night and day. All woman's issues was hysteria. If a woman is of color, it is even worse. The US has the highest maternal mortality rates in the developed world. Especially if they are woman of color. In med school ppl are still taught that black p dont feel pain the same as yt ppl.
@Wayne3791 when I first started to realize I had food allergies and sensitivities I was offered antidepressants because "food doesn't make people sick".
This is so disgusting. We should be protesting in the US about this horrible and completely preventable loss of life
This brought tears to my eyes. The cruelty of those involved towards a helpless, human being in distress is beyond appalling
This brings tears to your eyes? Fucks sake go touch some grass dude
The police would say that you're wrong and that they're 'brave heroes' and 'true warriors'.
All Those Officers & The Hospital Should Be Charged & Sued For Not Helping This Poor Lady
Dr. Todd you have the perfect vocal inflections you narrate these stories. The perfect attitude.
This is something that scares me, as a parent with a son with autism and as a caregiver of people with developmental disabilities and mental health issues. This group of people aren't taken seriously often and disregard, which is infuriating.
This is such a heartbreaking story. I hope Lisa's family brings a federal civil rights violation lawsuit against those wicked officers.
That would not be sufficient. The Police Department deemed Lisa's life was worth a day off $ _ x 4 .
I hope Lisa had family that gave a damn.... because why was she left alone while in such a condition? Why did she not have a family member or caregiver with her?
What family?
Where was Lisa family to begin with?
Where were you? Where was humanity? In a perfect world...
as a nurse and a fellow human being, this is unsettling to say the least. i’ve had my fair share of unkindly dealings with difficult patients, but this is just ludicrous. if she had so many acute health complaints, they could have easily brought her back into the ED to be triaged again. she is a human being.
I know right. You'd think her saying she can't breathe is a very...you know like an important health complaint?
The reality is that a jail wouldn't accept someone clearly not medically stable for booking, (because if they do, it's their headache and liability) so even if it's a PIA, they should have gotten her medically cleared. The hospital and the officers were both negligent. She shouldn't have been traveling with such precarious health, because depending on the kindness of strangers is overly optimistic.
@@Janellabelle One would think.
The ED can be a cruel place for people. I went in at age 40 with known gallstones having a gallbladder attack. I was crying and restless. I will never forget the “cute” young nurse (who couldn’t have been a nurse even a year) who laughed at me, told me to go sit down and wait my turn, that everyone here was hurting. I was a nurse at that very hospital. The ER doctor was of course charmed by her and laughed at me too. I can imagine how they treated this poor woman. They wanted her out of the hospital and off their premises. They did not care to find out what was wrong and try to ease her suffering.
My mother died in the hospital and thankfully they worked really hard in the ER. But I wonder if she had came in alive and talking if they would have been as sympathetic. Someone needs to develop an empathy test to rule out bad caregivers. THAT kills people more than any poor skill or medication error.
MR, truly appreciate ppl who take their "job" seriously. Actually teaching and nursing were jobs but also "callings". Your so right there should be some kind of psychological questions as to basic suitability.
There are a few shocking elements to this story. A police sergeant gets demoted to officer, and two others get suspended for a total of 14 days when they collectively were responsible for a civilian's death. When they have someone in their custody, they **DO** have a duty to act, as opposed to no actual duty to protect anyone at any other time. Most shocking of all, the police investigated themselves and did not find that they are all heroes.
The parallels of her being dismissed because of their burn-out, complacency, jaded attitude is no different than how intractable pain patients feel < pre-judged and lumped in with the abusers and real criminals why they (ass)umed, implied she was Hospital hopping for drugs - essentially having to deal with the really brutral consequences of others. Incredibly Sad so sorry for this Woman.
As an intractable pain patient I say thank you for bringing attention to that.
We were the first to be screwed over.... I lost my pain management medicine in 2017 and it was only because the DEA was coming down even on pain management specialists. We were completely compliant in my records proved it we had pill counts, we had urine tests, everything.
The first year they started doing this to pain patients, there were over 700 suicides of intractable pain patients.
The lack of empathy is shocking, a very sad end for this lady
As long as the police force isn't willing to sort out it's rotten apples, this will happen again and again in some form. RIP Lisa.
Man, I remember when this was on the news. I'm so glad you didn't include audio, because that was horrific. In that last bit, as she's sinking down in the seat, she is asking for help...politely! For god's sake! She says please help me. It's pretty easy to tell she really needs it, and all you hear is Tennessee's finest laughing. No justice in this state.
It's good to see this case receiving more attention. I watched the video awhile back and was absolutely sickened and horrified. Tennessee law enforcement sure has made headlines lately for all the wrong reasons. As the pandemic has illuminated over the last few years, there is a disgusting lack of value and regard for the lives of those who are less fortunate, in health or financially, etc. I will never look at this country or humanity the same way again. All I can do is my part to care for others and be aware of those in need. Always choose kindness and empathy. May none of us ever find ourselves at the mercy of sociopaths in authority.
This was hard to watch. We need to honour our women. Honour our elderly. You deserved better Lisa. I’m sorry for what you endured. Rest In Peace ❤
Well said ❤️❤️❤️
My friends neighbor was arrested in ashland Kentucky. He was overweight and had covid and the time. He was arrested for a failure to appear and begged the police to take him to the hospital. They denied and he died while they were booking him. Sad
Thank you for commenting on this case.
The elephant in the room seems to me the poor hospital patient management. It appears she was pushed out of the hospitals prematurely, without proper diagnostics, but we may never know because of “privacy laws”. HIPPA laws from my experience do very little to nothing to protect an individual, while hospitals and care facilities use it to block family me members and press access to information that is needed to promote the health and welfare of our loved ones and community.
That's what I was thinking. Any decent ER doctor should have spotted at least the bronchitis, but some of the other conditions should have been seen as well with a fairly cursory review of systems. Based off of the way they said she acted in the hospital, why didn't they admit her into a psychiatric facility?
I am so grateful of living in a country with socialiced medical care. This could have never happened here.
@@evascordato2673 in countries with socialized medicine, you have long lines and other issues. Healthcare is rationed.
@@kathybradbury That is not true. Think about it, why almost all developed nations have some form of socialized medicine EXCEPT the United States? Because it works, it's cheaper and people are healthier and can work more.
@@evascordato2673 I have heard in Canada people have to wait forever to be seen. Also, if the government controls healthcare, then they’ll try to force treatments. We need the right to chose.
Thank you for covering this horrific case. It needs more media attention!
Thank you Dr. Grande for covering this unconscionable case
I cried when I heard this. That poor woman, the suffering and indignation that she suffered through all this is absolutely horrific. This woman had a stroke, and her left side was very weak. She was not normal both mentally or physically. What was going on with those doctors at that hospital, and why did they not do any further investigation of her problem I’ve been a registered nurse in critical care for 44 years. Any medical personnel would’ve seen she is going downhill very fast. But more than that the lack of human compassion by those police officers is outrageous. The only comfort and consolation that I have for this poor lady is that she is no longer suffering. Lisa’s family needs to get a good lawyer and sue the heck out of both the hospital in the police department. My son is a sergeant with the police department in my community. He would’ve never done anything like this.
When I was a teenager, my first boyfriend’s mother was bitten by a brown recluse spider and developed gain green, which eventually turned fatal. Even after amputating her finger, this hospital could not save her. I, personally, know two people with chronic illnesses that will not go to Fort Sanders because of negative treatment and ineffective care. All they have to do is travel one exit down the highway and go to UT hospital where they will receive excellent care. There are not many hospitals in Tennessee with a Dr. House working for them. They will basically stabilize the patient, and that’s it, if they will even do that.
The thing that killed me was that the guy didn't want to help her because she wet in his car. People that aren't blackout drunk don't usually wet themselves unless there's something wrong.
Put simply, they are a-holes. She was an elderly woman in distress and they called her a liar. That poor woman must have been horrified. That man is so self-absorbed, he will never learn the importance of listening to someone until he is old and vulnerable and someone treats him like he is a waste of their time. The hospital treated her like trash too. They called the police to take out the trash, not realizing they were the trashy ones. God help that policeman's mother if this is how he treats vulnerable old women.
Great analysis, Dr Todd, as usual. This poor woman was treated horribly in the last hours of her life.
So sad for her. Unfortunately there are a percentage of officers who just don't care, which is terrible. Great points. Thanks Dr G😊🧡🤍
A lot of officers are just there to lord their power over the citizens. They're there to protect and serve themselves.
@USS_Sentinel Yes, which is why police departments need better vetting and better training, to keep out people like that.
@@zxyatiywariii8They can't do better vetting because people like you defunded and ridiculed officers.
@@wanaraz
Ah yes, because such issues didn't exist before the George Floyd protests. 🤡
@@wanaraz Oh yeah, because they're totally defunding the police in Tennessee, lol. Even the democratic mayor of this city has provided record levels of funding for the police department, and they still suck.
A shameful event, but important that it is shared. You spoke with compassion.
Those body cams show us a lot. Just imagine without them.
This is horrible, poor Lisa 😢 These people are incompetent to say the least & do not deserve to be police officers. Their inhumane treatment of a human being is sickening.
Couldn’t they have looked up her next of kin that is usually listed in the patient’s hospital record? You’d think the hospital security guard could have asked hospital staff to find out if she had any family. And her history of a stroke with a permanent physical deficit should also have been in her hospital record. She was obviously disabled, sitting in a wheelchair in the front of a hospital! Who put her there? This really makes me angry. RIP Lisa. You deserved compassion and to be treated with care and respect.
She said she had nowhere to go. Was she homeless? Did she have next of kin who could help her?
Of course someone paid for her airplane ticket.
She also came to Knoxville for a reason. I’d assume it was to see someone.
This is beyond.
God bless all with peace, love, health, safety, prosperity and protection!
I am disgusted by the behavior of those offices. I am speechless with their callousness against this woman. Horrible case.
Thank you, Dr. Grande.❤
I wish all police could have better vetting, to keep out callous people; and better training, so they can tell when a person really is in distress and not faking.
I do know people do fake being sick/hurt, but cops CAN be trained to better evaluate this.
Even if you’re 99% sure someone is faking an illness or injury, there’s just some things you don’t call someone’s bluff on. Respiratory distress is one of those things.
I also have to wonder what the hell was going on with the hospital. Was there no Social Worker? Did they forbid her from coming back into the ER?
Those cops are absolute scum. I hope they live very long lives so they get to a point where they’re physically debilitated. Then, they might know the fear they inflicted on that woman.
Watch police body cam videos. EVERYONE getting arrested screams that they "can't breathe". It's absolutely ridiculous. So blame those scumbags for crying "i can't breathe" to try to avoid arrest. It's because of them, cops don't believe anyone saying that.
Also, if I had COPD & Bronchitis, and needed an inhaler..... I wouldn't smoke. Pretty stupid thing to do. She didn't even care about her own life.
@@morticiaheisenberg9679 Your ignorance is astounding. They could have had the sense to know her condition could have changed due to the increasing stress of the situation and at least had her checked by a doctor/nurse who'd be able to tell, and you can't fake a stroke, ffs
@@morticiaheisenberg9679 Gee, if only the police had a code they should abide by regardless of their previous encounters with other people. If only it was literally their job to be impartial and make sure everyone is safe to the best of their ability. Go lick some boots, pig.
@@morticiaheisenberg9679 Also people who can't breathe cry out "I can't breathe.' Being outside of a hospital makes the claim a little more credible too. Unfortunately people have addiction to various things tobacco, alcohol, pornography, sugar, drugs, cell phones, etc..
You apparently haven't seen the video of the hospital in las vegas dumping a completely non ambulatory elderly patient on the sidewalk rather than transferring appropriately to the county hospital next door. This isn't all on the cops by a long shot. Our healthcare system is terrible and in need of tremendous reform. This woman was failed by everyone in her final hours.
Thank you Dr grande for courageously holding accountability & appropriately & professionally describing the heinousness & disrespect of a system & evil doers we pay for.
Ridiculous that a police department would not have access to a vehicle to transport a wheelchair.
This case is horrible. The lack of compassion for another human being is very, very sad.
This happens way too often. Thank you for sharing this and your tremendous empathy and bringing awareness to Lisa’s case and others like it.
God Bless you, Ms Lisa. ❤
This is absolutely heartbreaking to watch. It makes me sick that this woman was failed by so many people. She needed help... not to be arrested. The hospital staff failed her by not realizing when she obviously was not doing well. Then they made it worse by calling the police. The officers failed her by not having enough common sense to realize there was something wrong with her. This is awful and shows a clear lack of empathy from every hospital staff and police officer that came in contact with her that day. I pray this never happens again. What an awful way to die. Thank you for sharing this, Dr. Grande. People need to learn from this, so it never happens again.
I'm a retired/disabled R.N.and I can totally see how this can happen; I've seen it involving my own care and in my son's care(he's 34 and suffers from mental health issues). It's absolutely horrible and horrifying. It can and does happen to anyone. Be warned: this world is for the strong only, the rest of us will die and be kicked to the side of the road.
But, the thing is, that even "the strong" eventually get old and sick and frail.
Life is for the living, they say
The fact that all of these officers are still working is scary! I hope the family sues the hospital and the police. They should have been charged with manslaughter.
Glad to see your take on this one, as always, Doctor. That hospital shouldn't have called police in the first place. It's disgusting how this country treats the sick and the poor. I watched the video earlier. Her life didn't matter to the hospital or the police. She wasn't viewed as a human.
I urge all Dr Grandes viewers to watch entire over one hour video of Lisa's arrest by police. It's a terrible show by Knoxville police. The KPD were cleared immediately of wrong doing by DA the ink wasn't even dried in the autopsy. If only her son had answered his phone that day maybe a different outcome. Rest in peace Lisa. No one deserves the treatment she underwent. The security acted terribly. Typical hospital patient dumping. Any patient can have their angry behavior controlled using an injection. They were mean to her about her inhaler asking if she wanted a cigarette. They stuff her in back of cruiser on the floor where you can hear she can't breathe. He does a traffic stop with her in the back doesn't check on her until after he finds her unresponsive. The whole thing was a nightmare. I am glad the family is suing. She didn't deserve to die that way. The officers were very callous and no woman cop. The driver of the van did get in trouble for his behavior. Total utter disregard. It's a video that is very hard to watch.
The short clip I watched from Dr Grande's episode is so troubling. Watching the entire video could be quite upsetting. May she rest in peace
Tennessee native. Who lived in Knoxville, as well as still have lifelong friends there.
The corruption in Knox County and Knox City runs deep. The hospitals are just as bad.
This is far from the only incident I know of, personally. Not to mention the ones no one ever heard about / was covered up.
Lisa, and so many others, deserved much better..
I did watch it last night and it had me in tears. That poor woman didn't deserve any of that. 💔😢
the police was cleared of wrong doing but they were allowed to shoot her and they didnt. so stop all that police bashing and whining
@@tektkite7255 sure they were cleared..should they have been though?
Great analysis Dr. Grand. When I saw this story I was so angry at the officers, and kept thinking what if that was my Mother or someone I loved. Hard to believe that any of them are still officers. What a terrible way to die. 😢❤
I was an EMT back in the 80's, and worked for ambulance companies that did mostly transfers between hospitals and nursing homes and the residences of elderly patients. Some patients were argumentative, even combative at times, and possibly difficult to handle due to weight and/or total inability to assist us. Moving a patient who is 200+ pounds of dead weight around is much harder than most people realize. For untrained, inexperienced people who are only accustomed to yelling at people and tasing and/or beating the hell out of them if they don't do what they are screamed at the first time, with a seasoning of the occasional gunshot if they are a different color or smell funny, a patient like this could very well trigger them, especially if they have gotten it into their one-track minds that the old, disabled lady is Bad Guy. The fact that they gave her The Treatment, instead of listening to her, checking her ankle, giving her the inhaler IMMEDIATELY upon being asked, and just generally checking her status, is a horrible tragedy, and could so easily have been avoided. The fact that the PD and the DA have protected the perpetrators of this horror in the way they apparently have, and the fact that the perps themselves are playing the victims and whingeing about their poor, pathetic little feewings, is all too predictable; inevitable, even, in today's society. I hope that somehow the family can find justice for the grandmother who just wanted to be with her family.
They could have transported via ambulance her to an elder care facility.
i really wanted to work at the nursing home but the lifting involved was literally the only drawback i have to many injuries unfortunately.
"Moving a patient who is 200+ pounds of dead weight..." that sounds exactly how these despicable people talked.
This looks like a healthcare system under extreme stress. It looks like the hospital didn't want to deal with her and dumped her. There's no way the police should even have been called here. The police is there to deal with crime, not sick people.
? What is wrong with descriptive phrases? Maybe turn down your empathy dial a bit
With no allies what can one do? Terrifying to think it could happen to anyone that’s alone. Sheesh!
Hello, Dr.Grande as i watched the entire arrest video. And from the moment law enforcement arrived, they handled his situation with disgusting unprofessionalism and negligence..
Rest in peace Lisa. This is an absolute outrage! If I was her family I would be coming at everyone involved at least in civil court. Lisa's rights were violated in the worst way. Nobody assessed her health situation and played God with her life. Thank you for covering this Dr. Grande. You're the best.
Why civil court? Lust for money? When a person dies money doesn't bring the dead, but makes you a fucking greedy bastard.
It sounds like malpractice.
This happened here in Knoxville where I live. Thank you for covering this.
Thank you Dr Granda. As a nurse in my community I often see this same condescending behavior from the paramedics in my area, they believe they are above those that are old and in need of support. I actually had a paramedic try to convince me to not respect the patient decision to transport because, as he stated, "they're old and what are we going to do for her, she's 91?" I have since quit my nursing profession and support, without payment, the litigation process against paramedics.
Thank you for covering this frightening case. Was the ER Doctor, who dismissed her the first time, charged with malpractice at least? People die of sepsis from blockage!
Chante what a country america is glad I'm British
Being confused and combative are symptoms of many medical issues. Sometimes an argumentative person is dealing with a UTI and not being intentionally insubordinate.
I have been the victim of doctor, nurse and other health care brutality for many years. It is sickening! I believe this and feel medical professionals should be held accountable just like these officers. What a world. 😢
This is HEARTBREAKING! They signed an oath to serve and protect. I can’t believe the level of inhumanity.
When we fail to show compassion for the weak, we will often find ourselves not receiving it when we need it. He should tread carefully through his years of strength because age will come upon him, if he is blessed with more years.
That’s the curse I wish on anyone who takes advantage or harms the elderly or those with disabilities. That woman was defenseless in that situation.